assassination

[fresh blaze]

any explain?

[balmy condor]

backend scripting stuff

possibly a bug fix for the aoe poison stackign

but

it's either bug fix or a fat nothing

datamining just spits out stuff

[crystal nymph]

kb removed?

[balmy condor]

???????????????

[real pike]

Btw question on thistle tea, if I have the choice of being about to manipulate my energy to be low enough whenever during kingsbane, is it better to use it during the second shiv? Like make any material difference?

[balmy condor]

no

but there are times where you can tea the first and second shiv

[knotty kestrel]

Hi

[balmy condor]

depending on the energy at least

it can happen

[real pike]

Ah like towards the end of a fight as well ig

Usually I end up just sending like 2 teas for the last 5% lol

[balmy condor]

yeah with awakened kill times

that's pretty common

bosses just fall over before you even get a chance to drinkk

[errant trail]

so whisp been trying that experimental build

without lightweight

[balmy condor]

gonna need to be more specific than that

[errant trail]

it’s not bad at all

[normal mist]

Hi

[errant trail]

lightweight shiv removed

[balmy condor]

yeah there's plenty of builds that do that

[errant trail]

and talentjng somewhere else

[balmy condor]

are we playing fatebound

deathstalker

[errant trail]

i did a bracken hide 16

[balmy condor]

hybrid

cleave

bleed?

oh we're on live

[errant trail]

live rn

[knotty kestrel]

[errant trail]

i want to do beta but

still crashes

[balmy condor]

well server is down atm

[knotty kestrel]

So how's assa feeling for yall?

[balmy condor]

so that makes it harder

[knotty kestrel]

May jump ship

[pure sparrow]

sin good

sub good

[vapid terrace]

Don't do it!

[main monolith]

asa rip?

[knotty kestrel]

Hey now

[main monolith]

[normal mist]

?

[balmy condor]

?

[knotty kestrel]

I'll have you know I'm very susceptible to reverse psychology

[normal mist]

People and their inability to read

[feral mason]

they buffed exterminate again on DK

[fresh blaze]

xD

[feral mason]

im so confused as to whats going on over there

buffed and nerfed every week

[main monolith]

[knotty kestrel]

They can't decide how they want fdk

OP or ignored

Hmmm

[royal lantern]

mostly cus its jumping bettwen broken af and weak rn like crazy

[haughty flicker]

i just watched ret pally discord spend 10 minutes to figure out that the paladin nerfs only effect healing and not damage

[knotty kestrel]

Nature is healing

[balmy condor]

has he seen outlaw on patch day

[knotty kestrel]

I hard carry the braincells on God

[pure sparrow]

that channel is quarantined

[royal lantern]

now imagine the outlaw channel, but 5x the ammount of people

[balmy condor]

okay so half as many messages

[royal lantern]

[obtuse valley]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-what-say-whatthe-wtf-gif-12973560

[kindred breach]

Holy shit new build???!!!

[balmy condor]

yeh case in point what the hell is happening here

bro's holding a eulogy in his bio

[knotty kestrel]

Based db shoutout tho

[obtuse valley]

too soon bro...too soon

[knotty kestrel]

Too soon

[royal lantern]

you know whats more concerning?

18 mutual servers

[balmy condor]

I am in many places my friend

[mossy glen]

Where am I getting the combo points for crimson tempest? Also why do I cast another rupture on line 7

[dapper cradle]

any good sin beta gameplay?

[gusty mirage]

but not my bed?

[royal lantern]

and also

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747561446539395205/1270796003288813672/discord_nitro.mp4?ex=66b50081&is=66b3af01&hm=e2d79253660c40127bd1d200d3e4f0ee76d00006ca1368ad66ffc8d1d0547c06&

[pure sparrow]

its from your garrotes with IC up

[balmy condor]

you're getting the combo points from garrote on line 4, line 7 is there because jank wowhead formatting

[serene mason]

I never understood this Kind of Patchnotes. What does the KB Change mean? Is it 5% dmg Aura (from Casting kingsbane) swapped to Aura dmg 5% for Overall kingsbane dmg (to Last tick)?

[pure sparrow]

no one knows

[balmy condor]

that's cause it's not a patch note

[spice surge]

Its not patchnotes, its wowhead just spitting out all the differences

[balmy condor]

it's datamining some background change

[mossy glen]

Okay but affter the first 2 garrotes i already have 6 up

[balmy condor]

no one has any idea what it does

[pure sparrow]

wait until the blizz post comes out, the wowhead datamining post is awful

[balmy condor]

more then

9>6

[serene mason]

Wow i Like this really @balmy condor @spice surge how can you both BE so fast?

[mossy glen]

it says if targets dont have garrote, but what if they do (only 6 pack say)

Do I do echoing reprimand earlier

[balmy condor]

because you're the third or fourth guy in 5 minutes

[balmy condor]

yah or fok

[serene mason]

Oh sorry

[balmy condor]

either or

[spice surge]

We are pooling our energy until we hit 80%

To start chaining our envenom

[mossy glen]

ok thanks

[balmy condor]

eleem's lost it

[pure sparrow]

its over

[knotty kestrel]

Are there any builds without ER?

[balmy condor]

sure

take CB instead

[mossy glen]

and line 7 should just be ignored?

[spice surge]

Fatebound

[knotty kestrel]

Chat, I'm so Assa gaming.

[pure sparrow]

ER is fun why wouldn't you want ER tho

[balmy condor]

if you don't need to rupture anything yeah

it just all depends on how many targets you got

and the tool doesn't let me make any nuance about that

[mossy glen]

but is it rupture only in IC

[knotty kestrel]

Because I don't find it fun.

[balmy condor]

cause it's a shit ass tool

[balmy condor]

no

[mossy glen]

ok so even a 7th target is worth

[balmy condor]

if you want

its situational

[mossy glen]

ok

ty

[runic hinge]

Holy cow I don’t have to go home and do ashran. What a relief

[knotty kestrel]

This is the wrong discord. I can send you the link for pally disc if you want

[spice surge]

Ashran?

[runic hinge]

I’ve been living there for like ten days

[spice surge]

You could just find them out in the open world

[silk bane]

bro is unironically a menace

all this to play fatebound

[balmy condor]

mental illness eleem close your eyes

[runic hinge]

Lmfao you think people are in war mode in wod?

[shy pecan]

Protect Elmo

[balmy condor]

gaze not upon the horrors of the world

[spice surge]

No thats the joke

Man my jokes aint hitting

[shy pecan]

RIP in pepperinos

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

I did so much flying around in dreanor and I saw one horde the whole time and they were a troll.

[kind forge]

Mental

[uneven plume]

What are these kingsbane changes?

[runic hinge]

No it’s my fault. I’m outta it after all that

[runic hinge]

Wait for the blue post

[shy pecan]

Getting old

[kind forge]

Im blue dabedidabedei

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

aight I'm making a god damn pin

unreal

[runic hinge]

I finished wod and bfa loremaster while in queue

🫨

[balmy condor]

The Kingsbane change in todays datamining is just background spell effect nonsense we don't know exactly what it does but maybe it fixes the bug stop asking please thanks

[shy pecan]

About how you’re a cat irl?

Can’t believe you had to make that

[haughty flicker]

wait

thats why whispyr was disappointed i wasnt a catgirl irl

because hes a cat boy?

[shy pecan]

I dunno

[pure sparrow]

whispyr rotation question: if you're pooling back to 80% energy to start envenoming again, but ER comes off CD, should I just rip an ER -> Envenom and start the chain insta, or hold ER until 80 then slam

[balmy condor]

ER then pool to 80

[pure sparrow]

makes sense ty

[balmy condor]

np

[real pike]

sorry the noob is back

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/dPWJjRAk73x9arKq/self#fight=4,4&source=19,17&type=damage-done

whatt do the envenom hits mean?

thought it just hit instantly and that's it for damage

[spice surge]

What

[silk bane]

if you open it, you see there are multiple things that fall under envenom

theres envenom itself which you had 38 casts of

then theres tier and poison bomb that are proced by envenom but ar their own damage.

logs just group these all together

[haughty flicker]

giftbombe

[pure sparrow]

i wish it was actually a gift bomb

[balmy condor]

gift in german is poison :P

[haughty flicker]

ye i figured that out somehow

[silk bane]

THATS FUCKING INSANE AHHAHAAHA

[balmy condor]

does damage as if it was a gift though

[haughty flicker]

thats pretty funny

[silk bane]

HELLO I HAVE A GIFT FOR YOU "EVIL LAUGHS IN GERMAN"

[balmy condor]

that's also where the gift comes from in vergiften

[haughty flicker]

next you're gonna tell me bombe is bomb

actually though is explosion just explosion

[balmy condor]

holy shit he's fluent in german

[haughty flicker]

why is that like that

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

cause english is a germanic language

[haughty flicker]

well ye

i shouldve seperated the questions

[balmy condor]

and we would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for normandy

[haughty flicker]

if explosion is just explosion then thats why its like that

[spice surge]

And a lot of words are loanwords either from german or from other languages (like french) that german has also taken

[storm forum]

is the bug you mentioned the KB stacks when poison is stacked on any target?

[balmy condor]

yes

[storm moon]

GUYS, who are the rogue references we have? my friend is an idiot and can't do damage with rogue

[balmy condor]

wowhead guide

[spice surge]

Because its from latin and both german and english copy-pasted it

[storm forum]

ty

[balmy condor]

linguistics with elmo

[haughty flicker]

yeah i get it, i typed the second question assuming it was some type of error instead it actually just using the same word

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

which was not a correct assumption

[spice surge]

Linguistics is cool man, as is knowing more languages

[haughty flicker]

i do want to learn more languages actually

i took a bit of arabic in college but ive forgotten most of it

[normal mist]

Try Portuguese

It's... Easy

evil laugh

[spice surge]

Well its not using completely writing systems like arabic, chinese or japanese

[real pike]

ok

[spice surge]

So relatively its a lot easier

Obviously still really hard to learn a new language

[real pike]

I don't get how his envenoms did 50% more damage than mine from 5 more casts

something to do with missing DM? is it related?

[balmy condor]

double amp poison

[haughty flicker]

brother if you just straight up didnt press dm its going to be hard to get much else of use from that log

[real pike]

I mean looking at just envenoms it might be useful

[haughty flicker]

other than some nice language lessons for discord

[real pike]

cause his did 50% more than mine?

[real pike]

from the DM?

[balmy condor]

yes

[real pike]

cause it doubles the effect?

ok cool

just wanted to know if it was that or something else, tyvn

[spice surge]

Its not, since you didnt use ashes or DM

[real pike]

tyvm*

[real pike]

yea I'm the kind of idiot that needs to understand how I'm an idiot unfortunately

thanks all

[haughty flicker]

sometimes it be like that

im also an idiot but i prefer to pretend im not

[runic hinge]

I’ve stopped trying to cover it up

[shy pecan]

Nerd

[spice surge]

Nu är det dags för dig att vara tyst

[shy pecan]

[runic hinge]

[shy pecan]

Love you Elmo

Kbai

[spice spire]

That’s a raichu

[wise parrot]

can someone of you cuties tell me what the rogue change does that came an hour ago?

[runic hinge]

Check pins

[spice surge]

The pins will

[wise parrot]

thy

[shy pecan]

Elmo

[hollow helm]

100000% kingsbane buff

[spice spire]

Real

[uneven plume]

Sin about to be nerfed into the depths

More like

[errant trail]

look

i’m pretty sure we aren’t in the spotlight for nerfs

more concerned about the possible ER bug with death mark which apparently is intentional

[spice surge]

Assa is incredibly strong and definitely more likely to get nerfs than buffs, esp for aoe

And the ER interaction is very unlikely to be intentional

Also the kingsbane bug does indeed look like to be fixed, thats probably why it showed up on the data mining

[drifting cloud]

great bug fix (I dont know what the bug was)!

[shy pecan]

Abilities not registering as 7 CP and ER, name a better couple

[subtle kiln]

Stealth and everything

[spice surge]

Kingsbane gained a stack for every target that got poisoned, not just the target affected by kingsbane

[uneven plume]

Kidney shot nerf

More inc?

[normal mist]

?

[uneven plume]

Cd increased but duration increased

Ehh

Not bad

[normal mist]

No, it is bad

It is really bad

[uneven plume]

Check new Wowhead post

Like 3 minutes ago

Sp buffs as well

[spice surge]

The duration was not increased

[normal mist]

Kidney nerf was probably just a pvp nerf since in PvE we are not casting it on CD

Gouge was nerfed as well

But why?

[uneven plume]

Hmm probably read it wrong

[slate crown]

Yeah what is the purpose of all this

[uneven plume]

So it’s bad I guess

[spice surge]

Pvp nerfs

[uneven plume]

[normal mist]

But pvp is a m+

Atm

Aka wins the team with more AoE pressure

These cc nerfs make no sense

[haughty flicker]

someone lost to rmp on beta

unlucky

[gilded oasis]

did SBS die again when I wasnt looking?

[wicked zodiac]

guys anyone have wa for Indiscriminate Carnage ?

[spice surge]

I'd recommend the premade auras function in weakauras

[wicked zodiac]

ok

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice surge]

Its very easy to setup class related stuff with it, pretty much no knowledge required

[midnight mist]

It was

[spice surge]

What, duration went from 2 seconds to 0

[midnight mist]

Went from 1 to 3

[spice surge]

Or is there just something bugged

[midnight mist]

Base duration of kidney shot is +2

It went from 1 to 3s

This isn't on the tooltip tho

(which is why wowhead didn't pick it up btw)

[spice surge]

I mean wowhead did pick it up

[midnight mist]

But it was in the spell data and I did test it

[spice surge]

Its just listed as the opposite

[haughty flicker]

8s stun xdd

[slate crown]

So max duration KS is now 8s?

[slim hamlet]

but +10 sec cd no?

[midnight mist]

It says from 1s to 0ms on wowhead

Idk what it picked up it's just cooked

[midnight mist]

Ye

I think the most important part is that a one cp kindey is 3 s

[slim hamlet]

This seems like a strange change

[midnight mist]

Which is kinda cool

[haughty flicker]

i find it really hard to believe its intended

[midnight mist]

Well

It's a compensation buff for PvE ?

[slim hamlet]

I just don't see what would make them change that

[midnight mist]

Since the nerf is pvp oriented ?

[haughty flicker]

maybe

[slim hamlet]

But why not just nerf in pvp then

[midnight mist]

Cause in pvp they have a special modifier it seems

[midnight mist]

Well idk if they can do that then

Cause they didn't

[slim hamlet]

Which is why it is strange

[midnight mist]

Is there cooldowns that are different from PvE to pvp in wow

[slim hamlet]

10 sec cd for 2sec longer duration is definitely not worth in m+ surely

Not like it matters a lot

[slim hamlet]

Probably not

[midnight mist]

Wellll

Idk

It's cool for low cp kidneys

[slim hamlet]

Surely having more stops is better than a bit longer one

[midnight mist]

Ok but I would argue you are also not often pressing ks on cd

[slim hamlet]

With the new change where it doesn't actually interrupt on stuns it might be kinda nice to have a super long ST stun tho

[midnight mist]

So in general this could be a straight buff

Right

[haughty flicker]

i dont think it'll change much in the end either way

it is nice for low cp though

just press ks on 1 cp, get 3s stun

[slim hamlet]

Imagine we still had aoe Kidney with this

[haughty flicker]

ez

[midnight mist]

Look

It's a DPS increase

Cause you kidney shot less often

Worth

[slim hamlet]

Huge

[haughty flicker]

now when i say ks wasnt up i wont be lying

pog

[slim hamlet]

1x Feint is also dps increase

Never picking up double feint again

[midnight mist]

Real

[slim hamlet]

Same for ER if you think about it

It is on the GCD but double vanish is not

So it has to be a dps increase to take vanish

https://tenor.com/view/desmondpacito-cooking-chef-gif-12378159

[runic hinge]

Isn’t dust nerfed in PvP

I know that’s not the same thing

[uneven plume]

I’m just wondering why fire hasn’t been buffed. Sp got buffed so fire should follow right after to complete the summoning of exodia

No?

Probably next tuning

[pure sparrow]

arcane already exists, no need to look at fire

[uneven plume]

No. Mage must have all three op specs

It’s written in stone

Excited for the aug buffs as well

[hollow river]

yes

there is

though it's a bit more rare

[coral garnet]

Got a question, for low keys, in aoe scenarios, do we take time to pick rupture and or garrote on the mobs or we just spam envenom?

[haughty flicker]

yes always put bleeds up

the bleeds are there so you can afford to actually spam envenom

[coral garnet]

All good but rupture and garrote? Like everything is dead before I do anything 😅

[haughty flicker]

in prepatch things are kind of fucky, some classes just delete everything

but you arent gonna get far by just spamming envenom without bleeds up

[coral garnet]

Hunter or paladin or ele shaman O just can’t do anything

Alright guess I’ll see in TWW 😅

[spice surge]

Thats why you have sudden demise

Makes you lose way less of your damage when things die early

[chilly karma]

Is there a faster way to add 4 poisons to weapons or just click wait 4 times?

[spice surge]

nop

No faster way of doing it

[chilly karma]

ty

[split grail]

Is there a way to have a weakaura tell you when a cp is empowered with echoing?

[lone parrot]

i think luxthos rogue WA does, i have lost track of my WAs

because I have the intellectual range of a slice of stale bread

[junior aurora]

Can confirm luxthos WA tracks ER and has a visual representation of which combo points are empowered

@split grail

[lone parrot]

I also dont run ER because im a hater

[gilded oasis]

most packs have the er cp

[final star]

Luxthos is also terrible

Resource hog aura

Uses far too much to do so little

[split grail]

Yeah I just make my own, but I figured it out

[south lava]

Is this a nerf?

Guys

[spice spire]

Pins

[south lava]

Thanks

[spice spire]

No worries, pretty asked when it dropped. Happens 🙂

[desert gate]

is it worth macroing a castsequence for deathmark into kingsbane?

[runic hinge]

No

You wanna dm>shiv>kb and you should have separate buttons for each

Because shiv is a 30 second cd. Kb is 1 minute and dm is 2 minutes.

[desert gate]

ahh kk

[runic hinge]

What do you think is the best pack

[haughty flicker]

i feel like every other pack i see is an afenar edit

[junior aurora]

Do you have a recommendation that hogs less resources? being serious

[haughty flicker]

i was gonna say i like whispyrs but

[runic hinge]

I like Luxthos because it is easy to read and he has packs for like every class

So he was just one of the first I found and I’ve used it for as long as I’ve played rogue

[haughty flicker]

thats me with afenar actually lmao

i just used his pack or an edit on every class

i recently started trying to make my own but uh

it probably wont end up being great

[final star]

I am biased

[runic hinge]

I could use something less resource insensitive

[brittle saddle]

Guys, why haven't you posted any blue posts this week? Instead of hotfixes every day?

[normal mist]

Because we don't work at Blizzard

[haughty flicker]

speak for yourself

[normal mist]

Your dad does, not you

[final star]

LE group, whispyr edit or my auras are the least resource intensive. They all use minimal custom code and minimal conditions and triggers for the functionality that you need.

All three are also made by rogue mains so will show what you need to see

[brittle saddle]

Ok, so why didn't Blizzard release a blue post this week? Does anyone know the inside story?

[desert gate]

in ST situations, is there a rule of thumb with usage of thistle tea? should you always aim to have one up?

[normal mist]

We don't work at Blizzard

[desert gate]

looking at the guide on wow head it doesnt mention it, unless ive misread

[final star]

They are always going to be updated promptly because we use them ourselves

[normal mist]

Check the pins

But tldr: use tea inside of shiv windows if you're going to get full value of the energy

Which means using the 100 energy without overcapping

[runic hinge]

I’ll check them all out when I’m outta work. Maybe I’ll get that fresh new life feeling like when you rearranged your bedroom as a kid

[slate crown]

Yeah, minimal code

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[rotund oak]

my man is selling it and he is not wrong 😂

[final star]

Compared to luxthos

That man has like 14 conditions and 10 triggers and init code on every aura

[earnest remnant]

if my raccoon brain cant make it with basic triggers

i just come crying to Lisonna

[final star]

🤝

[rotund oak]

Lisonna = Mommy vibes
KPB = Daddy vibes

[shy pecan]

[rotund oak]

i mean literal vibes

whats wrong with u kinky ppl

[final star]

[earnest remnant]

nah they def dont fit that vibe

more like fun Auntie and uncle vibes

[rotund oak]

KPB cooks and has a great taste for food

[shy pecan]

There's no way that Kieron gives people daddy vibes

I could see fun uncle vibes

Like Stealthi said

[brave gyro]

Ravenholdt server = dysfunctional family vibes

[rotund oak]

okok

i can settle with that

[dark token]

I need to fix my WA and stuff for the patch but I'm too busy playing osrs to play my rogue

Need advice

[earnest remnant]

and LE is def the fun Auntie
"come see this new toy ive brought (WA)"

[shy pecan]

No dad does this:

[earnest remnant]

the fuck u staring at me for

im right

[rotund oak]

u just ruined my dream dude

[earnest remnant]

im always right

its just how it is

[rotund oak]

[shy pecan]

Stealthi

[earnest remnant]

what?

[shy pecan]

Don't you have a guide to write?

[earnest remnant]

the fuck u think im doing?

[shy pecan]

(Btw, why is it due so early?)

[earnest remnant]

dunno

they are planning on releasing them around the 20th

afaik

this is what im currently writing

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

🐀

[earnest remnant]

im not a rat

im a raccoon

[rotund oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsWcxzW9T54 (sound on 😍 )

[drowsy hollow]

so they buffed deathstalker enough on beta eh?

[balmy condor]

raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[balmy condor]

maybe? probably? who knows

[earnest remnant]

so how many monsters you downing today?

[balmy condor]

i am monsterless

[earnest remnant]

better go shopping then

[pure sparrow]

FUCK DEATHSTALKER

[rotund oak]

[keen mantle]

#ROGUEISBUGGED

MEANWHILE MY GARROTE DOING 10.9% OF MY OVERALL

AND ON RETAIL 8-9%

im done with those ppl

[balmy condor]

[drowsy hollow]

what's bugged?

[balmy condor]

just run cold blood instead

that way you can tell them to fuck off

cause you're not even running subterfuge

[keen mantle]

ye thats a thing too

i mean if echoin was working with deathsalker

i would propably rock it

[balmy condor]

yeh its strange that they haven't fixed that

[south lava]

How much should garrote do normally

[drowsy hollow]

you would think "acts like max combo points" would work but 🍝

[keen mantle]

as said in live it does like 8% or sth in keys

[tough gorge]

Garotte only does 8% in live? Mine is always higher.

I must play it wrong lol.

[keen mantle]

ye maybe ven higher

[grim jay]

Depends on build and pulls

[keen mantle]

wouldnt sound weird to me

if its higher than 8

[tough gorge]

Whats the bug in your image? I dont see whats broken.

[rotund oak]

wasnt the ER fixed with Deathstalkers mark though

[keen mantle]

how much physical and nature dmg is assa

more physical?

[tough gorge]

So CP generation is bugged and dmg is bugged... but still only had 8% with dmg buff lol

[rotund oak]

basicly nvm im gonna log and test it myself

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

depends how much your bleeds do, in keys with your breakdown it should be 45% phys

[balmy condor]

I mean his screenshot clearly shows 10.9%

[fluid glade]

when this bug is fixed how will this impact performance

[balmy condor]

hardly

[keen mantle]

like 30% less dmg

overall

[balmy condor]

maybe even 60%

[keen mantle]

HAHAHAHA

[grim jay]

And he wasnt playing bleed build

[fluid glade]

so very badly?

[keen mantle]

please whispyr

make your next video be like

[balmy condor]

everyone knows assassination is exactly 2 talents

[fluid glade]

cause i feel like my garrote is legit like 10-11%

[keen mantle]

were doing 40% more dmg overall

[fluid glade]

of overall

[keen mantle]

HAHAHAHAHA

IM GONNA GO CRAZY

[fluid glade]

if its doing half no way you dont feel it

[grim jay]

3, dont forget doomblade

[balmy condor]

brother it's a meme

[grim jay]

You need to mention whats getting hated on

[quiet oar]

The thing is

[balmy condor]

bug is like 2-3% overall but subterfuge/without a trace is -5%

[quiet oar]

With this bug

Restealths matter

!!!

[balmy condor]

you literally don't notice it at all

[fluid glade]

make this a feature

[balmy condor]

even with the bug subtefuge still sucks

[fluid glade]

:based:

[balmy condor]

OP Assassination bug DESTROYS balance

[grim jay]

subterfuge reworked, now increases all stealth and dance effects by 50/100%

Heard it here first

[quiet oar]

But still grants 5 seconds stealth?

[drowsy hollow]

is Envenom considered a poison?

[grim jay]

Nah

[grim jay]

Yes

[drowsy hollow]

ah, so it's buffed by zoldyck

[slate crown]

That’s the neat part: no

[grim jay]

I think it would be a good trade and one thats adjustable aswell. Obviously goes hand in hand with vanish cdr instead of a 2nd charge

[slate crown]

How long do we have, 3 weeks? Till xpac

[rotund oak]

14 days till early lvl up

so 2 weeks

17 days till lauch

[drowsy hollow]

but a month to season start

5 weeks if all you want is m+

[rotund oak]

and like months till mythic raiding

[grim jay]

There still is some time

But its getting rather close

[rotund oak]

we are out of time brother

the asteroid gonna hit us

we have to blow it up

wait thats from a movie

[grim jay]

They do release quite some bugfixes towards the end usually.

[quiet oar]

So its an Sub only talent !?

[grim jay]

No why

Imp garr, MA and potentially IC

With 2x the vanish usages

[quiet oar]

So

Restealths matter

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-13392138837084579216

[rotund oak]

with the bug they probably do,whispyr says its barely noticable

[quiet oar]

i mean an 100% buff for MA

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

is still only 60%

[rotund oak]

ma sucks in general though

[drowsy hollow]

15% of my damage being plague as deathstalker finally feels more realistic haha. Glad they fixed that from a couple months ago

[grim jay]

Which is 100% in s3 or 4 potentially with stats in mind.

[grim jay]

They probably would in that case

Ngl

On the other hand you have 1 min vanish

[quiet oar]

Good thing

you are not a dev

[daring minnow]

any reason why this macro doesn't work? I have these bound separately but wanted to try this out. can't seem to get it to work
/castsequence reset=5 shiv, thistle tea, kingsbane

[grim jay]

I would pull out a banger of a spec

Believe

[quiet oar]

I dont

Im a hater

[grim jay]

I know, but we both know of the underlying love

[urban anvil]

Hi guys.
I have a question about shadowmeld. I only play m+ and most of the time i pug. How useful is shadowmeld in m+? From what I can tell we're very depended on tank not chaining pulling.
Second question. Would you guys play with second vanish in pugs for the same reason?

[grim jay]

We still benefit from right chainpulling

[balmy condor]

in order,
not very
we aren't that dependant
no

[grim jay]

And meld is inconsistent

[empty pagoda]

Guys, I think i'm in love. I've started played assa 2-3 days ago and I'm having a blast! 😄 Kingsbane is so satisfying to play! Why I never tried this before, and why nobody told me!

[grim jay]

Dang Whispyr so fast if its about restealths

[urban anvil]

How many melds you guys think u end up using in a run?

[grim jay]

0

[urban anvil]

Lol

In pugs too?

[fluid glade]

when everybody dies

on boss

[grim jay]

I dont play nelf

Most people dont

[fluid glade]

and i dont wanna run back

[grim jay]

[urban anvil]

I see most top players on io does

[balmy condor]

dude the irl time save

[fluid glade]

yep

[grim jay]

Yeah but its kinda irrelevant. It got used to cheese mechanics

[fluid glade]

grab a granola bar a water banana

while everybody running back

[grim jay]

Welcome to the Circus

[fluid glade]

good trio right there

[urban anvil]

Phew then my gnome is saved

[royal lantern]

cus the highest keys are such a shitshow that you need to somehow cheese every single targeted mechanic or get 1hit killed, and they use meld to avoid them 1x a fight if possible

[urban anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-gnomes-dance-gif-14629801

[balmy condor]

this isn't even true is it

[grim jay]

Cant wait for the deathstalker survivability

[balmy condor]

most high end key groups play dwarf

for the cleanse

[urban anvil]

I just noticed the ones with highest io score is nelf or dwarf

[balmy condor]

I think the overwhelming majority is dwarf

[grim jay]

I actually dont know if there was anything relevant to meld last season. Smith in neltharus was decent

[urban anvil]

Found some statistic somewhere. Not sure if its updated something about 70/30 nelf dwarf

[grim jay]

But I didnt see many nelfs either

[urban anvil]

Well im benching my nelf

[royal lantern]

racials are a meme, simple as that

[grim jay]

Nelf is a pretty steady class people pick for visuals aswell tho

And dwarf is ugly

[urban anvil]

Gnomes are better

[grim jay]

Races are more or less only visuals rn

[balmy condor]

yep

[grand trail]

Racial wasn't meme on fryakk but yeah

[urban anvil]

So no one plays with two vanishes?

[royal lantern]

got a couple almost max parses as Vulpera, when that is the "worst race"

[grim jay]

Cant say noone does, but noone should

[urban anvil]

How much of a dps loss it that use twp vanish?

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

double vanish is a 5% loss in damage

it's horrid

[urban anvil]

Ugh

[drowsy hollow]

dwarves are a lot more than visuals for m+ sadly

[urban anvil]

Atleast our hero talents dont need stealth or anything

[balmy condor]

deathstalker does for the initial application

[drowsy hollow]

Do you know how much it messes me up to ambush from stealth first? 😄

I mess it up so much

[grim jay]

Thats probably the first time someone said that

People always say so ive seen deathstalker sin relies heavily on stealth

[quiet oar]

Meld has more use to cancel targetted abilities

than granting extra dmg

[grim jay]

Good morning tira

[royal lantern]

turns out a endless scaling mode will turn into a shitshow after some time of its endless scaling, and you have to cheese stuff that literally does 100% of your hp bar in 1 second

thats why they dont balance arouns "high keys", the fact that it goes up into infinity makes that impossible and kinda wasted time

• the amount of people doing "high keys" is miniscule anyway

[quiet oar]

Im doubling down

[grim jay]

Tryan always hating on the minorities

[royal lantern]

what

[grim jay]

The high key crowd

And their m+ andy followers

[quiet oar]

im an Dayvn Andy

[drowsy hollow]

I do feel they are making keys too hard on beta, but we'll see how it actually goes live

[urban anvil]

I was being sarcastic

[royal lantern]

eh, Probs like DF launch keys

aka kinda a shitshow for the first couple weeks, then gets adjusted

[urban anvil]

I wasnt thinking about dmg more the possibility to restealth

[drowsy hollow]

I think those first few weeks define a season for most casuals to midcores.

[grim jay]

I think most casuals know they wont push anything impressive at the beginning

And most people are just farming gear anyways

On minimum difficulty for the desired track

[royal lantern]

for sure

TWW in general looks and feels really really really rushed as hell, and there will be a bigger pushback against that when the general public actually gets their fingers on it

[grim jay]

What more casual people really will complain about is the difference in gear

Between hero any mythic

Once they actually "feel" it

[royal lantern]

nah, thats not the casual playerbase lol

[willow rapids]

They pushed myth track to only 10+ and are also reducing timers, while dungeons are even more complex
I expect huge complaints from the general community the way it is now

Especially since most people pug

[grim jay]

But it is. To me casuals are people that raid heroic, maybe the first 1-2 bosses mythic and do some m+

[runic hinge]

wrong

[grim jay]

They usually care more than necessary

[drowsy hollow]

I'm expecting a quick hotfix week 3 or so of the season to make hero gear go up to 8/8

[grim jay]

Nah I doubt

[runic hinge]

less than 3% of people will kill a mythic boss less than 20% will get aotc

[grim jay]

I think they will stay with it

[drowsy hollow]

Per Blizzard casual would be more like those who'll be delves and world quests only

Midcore would be more like heroic/M+ types who play a lot

[grim jay]

Yeah but the other people arent really impacted by most stuff either way

Those are collectors and open world people

[drowsy hollow]

As someone who raids heroic and does keys 10+ I'm gonna mourn raid trinkets being close at heroic

[willow rapids]

I think a better way to put it is the casual people that actually engage with the content

That's what he meant

[grim jay]

Yeah probably

[grim jay]

Wdym? Close to what?

[willow rapids]

To max myth probably

[drowsy hollow]

myth track trinkets

yeah I know 7 more ilvls on a trinket won't totally kill heroic raid trinkets, but still hurts

[rotund oak]

Another person to prove my claim that sin is a beautiful spec

and yes sin is amazing and feels amazing to play

[royal lantern]

i mean, sorry but

if people that only do m+ get angry that people that do m+ and mythic raids get gear SLIGHTLY faster (and if you raid, you know that it is VERY slightly at best lol), they should seek help

[grim jay]

I didnt see any heroic and mythic comparisons, but trinkets are kinda bad currently either way. Tho I get your point and it in general is potentially more annoying on effect items

[grim jay]

I think its about the new difference more than the speed

Like with how they complained about mythic track now being a fair bit stronger than crafted

[drowsy hollow]

they fixed that thankfully lol

[royal lantern]

^

[grim jay]

Ye but its the same thing

At the end of the day

[willow rapids]

What matters at the end is how it will impact engagement and subs
If enough people get pissed and quit and/or stop engaging with m+ it will be a fail for the game

[grim jay]

For them

[drowsy hollow]

I know for some of my alts they'll be delve only chars cause why bother with keys sub 10 if you can do delves for the same track loot.

[royal lantern]

if people stop engaging with m+ because blizzard wants to slow down PvE gearing in general, they kinda admit that they didnt even like m+ and just want easy loot

aka what im saying about most "m+ players" since always

[grim jay]

You cant stop engaging with m+ if you wanna raid just the same as before and the only thing that changed is the max gear later down the line is a bit higher in difference to heroic gear. That doesnt devalue m+ until quite some time later

[drowsy hollow]

loot progression is why people play, they already admitted that when they said templates and no gearing in pvp nearly killed the mode in Legion.

[willow rapids]

Irrelevant at a business level

[candid hull]

I enjoy m+ but I hate pugging

[grim jay]

Many, not all of them tho

[midnight mist]

How many people would stop raiding it you removed gear from raid

[grim jay]

Id raid your outlaw channel instead then

[royal lantern]

dont forget that the actuall rewards you aim for, aka the vault things, are even higher then before now at max level

[grim jay]

[drowsy hollow]

I've before said I support turning mythic raid difficulty into cosmetics only. 😄

[royal lantern]

raiding is allready the least gear efficent thing in the game lol

you end a raidtier, and how many of your used pieces are actually from the raid

[willow rapids]

Well you can, we established most that engage with endgame do it casually, they'll get aotc and then when they're stonewalled by m+ difficulty, they won't engage

[grim jay]

People would complain even more ngl. People get crazy over cosmetics and you would need to make them unobtainable after that tier

[royal lantern]

the people that raid allready mostly do it for the sake of raiding itself, cus gearing in raids is near non-existent

[drowsy hollow]

for many of my characters it's been trinkets, rings, cantrip items in general.

[royal lantern]

yes, thats 2-4 slots

[grim jay]

They just do it on the minimum level they need still probably

Atleast from what Ive seen

[drowsy hollow]

I had fun in s2 when an LFR Rashok was still an upgrade over anything else in the game as a healer.

[loud hearth]

My situation is probably outlier, but when we first killed Mythic Sark in DF S2 (14 weeks into tier), I had 0 pieces of loot from Mythic raid.

We perma-extended, I had 1 kill on each boss so never got a Mythic raid vault. Mythic tier was from M+ vault, 447 crafted and HC trinkets.

[royal lantern]

• its kinda funny how a raid trinket beeing BiS is always a warcrime, but m+ trinkets beeing bis and you have to gamble in the vault is no problen at all

[runic hinge]

being farmable -6 ilvls is better than once a week shot rolling against 10 other people -6 ilvls

[grim jay]

Because people can just grind the weaker version and comfortably complain about vault luck

[midnight mist]

Such a cooked raider pilled take

Holy

[willow rapids]

What I meant is, now they'd still play m+ after that, since they could do like what? 8s? And still advance gearing...now they have to go to a 10 and deal with even more complex dungeons.
They can't grind the "weaker" version anymore

[grim jay]

Arent you mainly a raider aswell

[royal lantern]

that is fairly normal tbh

like, people forget that mythic raiding means: you kill the first few bosses a couple times, its 4 items for 20players, and then you extens for the next 1-2 months, and after that you are near max geared trought the m+ vault lol

mythic raids dont even let you cap the upgrade currency unless you are literally finished with the tier and reached the point where you dont need it that much anymore

[royal lantern]

ok, explain

mr bluecap in name

[grim jay]

Honestly I'd expect the 10s to be more enjoyable than below even if slightly more difficult, but with some gear..

[drowsy hollow]

it'll be 13 ilvls this time so odds are you'll take another trinket over a hero track if you get one on myth track

or heaven help us if a delve trinket is bis for anyone

That'll cause a ton of ruckus

[royal lantern]

delves will be fun when the wide playerbase realises that its literally just solo MoP scenarios lol

[grim jay]

Often youd take your BiS on a lower ilvl over other mythic ilvl trinkets tbf. Trinkets in general are kinda awful in tww s1

[royal lantern]

and get boring after 2-3 runs

[grim jay]

It is rn

[drowsy hollow]

I like delves I've tried on beta, solo content for hero track vaults? Gimme that for alts when I'm on at 4am on a Monday

[loud hearth]

Agreed. We had a player who did 0 M+ in S3, they were like 478 ilvl on Fyrakk.

[grim jay]

Will be kinda interesting to see of some guilds might reclear the first bosses a bit longer this time around

[willow rapids]

Not saying they can't, but need to see where the tunning and vision of m+ stands when it actually becomes active in retail

[grim jay]

But I doubt it

[drowsy hollow]

I think that's more on an issue in that raiders think they get more benefit in extending vs reclearing for the gear. If hero track gear being nerfed is purely cause raiders said mythic raid loot felt useless I'll be sad.

[grim jay]

What ive said purely comes from a affix hater perspective tho. Thats why I think the higher ones will be more fun

[runic hinge]

yeah imma try and push past the affixes asap as I've always been an affix hater

[grim jay]

And potentially easier with randoms

[midnight mist]

At like half a tier you are already fully bis from raid, all bis trinkets/cantrips stuffs comes from raid, if you need to target pieces it's from raid
M+ is nice to get half decent gear, it doesnt go to max ilvl tho, if you want actual bis it's raid, and if you are in a semi decent guild you will start reclearing fast and getting infinite gear from it

[drowsy hollow]

based on beta the +12 death penalty affix may actually be the hardest affix in the game. /hj

[loud hearth]

It's not a think, it is worth more to extend than reclear.

If you do M+, you are close to max ilvl by the time you're on last boss anyway. We're not wiping to bosses 14 weeks into tier because of gear

[grim jay]

I gotta see the difference, because ill be gearing only the first few days

[drowsy hollow]

I think you lose 30 seconds to a death now in +12 and higher?

[royal lantern]

what game are you playing where you are "full bis" after half a tier from raiding only, when for 95% of guilds the reality is "we killed the first 3 bosses 3-4 times, got #4 down 2x and now extend after we killed boss #5 once, no more loot for the next 2months"

[midnight mist]

get a better guild ez

[royal lantern]

zac, shut up, srsly

[midnight mist]

half the people that raid in this game do so cause they are forced for gear kekw, at least m+ is a minigame that stands on its own

[runic hinge]

I think theyre both fun for different reasons

[drowsy hollow]

I personally prefer dungeons.

[royal lantern]

i like how he doesnt even argure against it

[haughty flicker]

Brother you could literally swap raid and m+ here and it would still be true

[royal lantern]

just saying "people do that cus i say so"

[drowsy hollow]

I think the current mythic raid and lockout system is hopeless antiquated.

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

Nah

Having no lockout would be really dented

Atleast on mythic

[runic hinge]

I think the 20 people static kinda sucks but i get why they do that

[grim jay]

Would be interesting to see the rankings getting shaken if you could go in with 2 2 6 or 2 3 9

Or something

[midnight mist]

Idk maybe you have never talked to any m+ players, most of them are forced to invest that much time and effort into raiding to get their gear otherwise you can't do m+, the effort needed for the opposite is so little

[drowsy hollow]

20 static I can get, it's the single lockout. Imagine if you didn't have to extend, you could use someone elses lockout to get loot from earlier bosses. Sure people would sell CE but I think it'd be healthier long term.

[royal lantern]

what

[grim jay]

Idk I could see something like accepting ID gives you the vault slots if you initially cleared that ID, but that aside..

Everything else would be kinda too much

[midnight mist]

I'm still answering your first argument cause you seemed to lose the plot

[royal lantern]

no, the "the effort needed for the opposite is so little" part

cus what the fuck

[willow rapids]

The fact that they put superior gear in raids already shows they feel the need to "force" people into the raid
Have both raid and m+ somehow have access to the exact same pool of items, see what the people prefer to play then

[midnight mist]

Yes it's true?

Do you realize how easy it is to do a few weeklies

[royal lantern]

its because raids have a weekly lockout and m+ is endless farmable mate lol

[grim jay]

Raid is arguably the more difficult content and weekly

[midnight mist]

Compared to join a raiding guild and raid at a decent level to get gear

[royal lantern]

the 1x mythic item from m+ vault is equal to the loot you would get from killing 5-6 mythic bosses

and again, you literally wont do that every single week until months into the patch

[haughty flicker]

I mean I’m all down for a system to allow people who only raid to get m+ items and vice versa, would be nice

But what is this weird argument about raid vs m+ being more popular

Who tf cares

[willow rapids]

Tryan, he's trying to argue the same amount of people like both, zac's saying most preffer m+, but have to do raid for supperior gear

[royal lantern]

no, im saying that its hypocritical and stupid to do only m+ and then get angry at people that do both content getting gear slightly faster

[midnight mist]

thats not even what tryan was saying tho, he is saying most people that play m+ do it so cause they are forced for gear

[royal lantern]

and raiding without m+ spamming is literally not a thing

[normal mist]

I'm sure no one will know the exact numbers, so it's a endless discussion until one decides to step away

[royal lantern]

you spend so much time doing m+ if you wanna raid

[midnight mist]

im saying thats true for both mode

[normal mist]

I don't hehe

[willow rapids]

Fair, my missunderstanding then

[royal lantern]

literally the first 2-3 weeks are an endless m+ spamming, and after that its still spamming keys for vault slots (cus those will make the majority of your gear) and upgrade currency

[limber lion]

Lalala

[midnight mist]

you do m+ for like 3 week and you never need to do so again

m+ players are forced to raid their whole life look at them

commiting to a schedule

to do m+

how sad

[grim jay]

Are you about to sing?

[limber lion]

Hey now I only did mythic+ for a week. Screw that place lol

[limber lion]

Already am 🧑‍🎤

[normal mist]

Hello Cev, how have you been doing

[late surge]

Btw cev why are u so cool

Playing the violin is so sick

[royal lantern]

violist AND singer

omg so talented

[normal mist]

One of the two instruments I'd like to play

[limber lion]

Doing good, I had terrible sleep scheduling the past week but now it's been fixed and I go to sleep at 10pm ans wake up at 7am. Pretty intense

[grim jay]

As long as they dont commit sudoku.

Id imagine most m+ people just do whats puggable tho

Except the top end

[normal mist]

Violin and piano

[limber lion]

Heheh

[grim jay]

Which might raid anyways

[runic hinge]

I wanna learn piano

[grim jay]

I played Viola, im build different

[limber lion]

Yeah I play the piano too, feel like most classical musicians learn the piano at one point or the other

[normal mist]

Yeah fine, brag more

[earnest remnant]

I yearn for a wow. Where I don’t have to ever do m+ for gear

[normal mist]

Hehehe

[grim jay]

Only if you raid as outlaw

[midnight mist]

I yearn for a wow without gear

[normal mist]

I can only somewhat play drums

[limber lion]

Hey now they walk hand in hand!

I'm coming home for 3 days today so I can degen PoE gor a bit again, but then it's 3 weeks of work in another city every day

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah

You handling the pressure well?

[limber lion]

I just wanna degen mode PoE now, nobody's gonna be playing it in 3 weeks when I comr back xd

[limber lion]

Yeah, pretty normal. I prefer working to not doing anything

I hate vacations

Lol

[normal mist]

I only have vacations once a year, I kinda enjoy them

[limber lion]

Anyways, have a good one boys

[rotund oak]

[limber lion]

Work is calling

Back to practicing

[normal mist]

Until gf decides I have to work at home

[rotund oak]

faith in cev restored

[limber lion]

🕺

[rotund oak]

vacations sucks

summer sucks

autumn+winter ftw

[normal mist]

Summer sucks

I miss going to bed and being cold

[rotund oak]

i miss not feeling like dying at work from the heatwave

can wear a jacket and do my thing

[normal mist]

Oh same

[royal lantern]

honestly, kinda based

[blazing plaza]

is this the assasination disc ?

[midnight mist]

nah

[rotund oak]

no,wrong channel

[midnight mist]

this is outlaw channel

[normal mist]

You surprised about off topic 2.0?

[blazing plaza]

kinda

ye

[normal mist]

It's been like this for years now

[runic hinge]

[normal mist]

Instead of dooming, we just chat like normal people

[royal lantern]

"normal"

[normal mist]

Until we got back to dooming

[royal lantern]

"people"

[rotund oak]

[blazing plaza]

“like”

[normal mist]

It's fine if we're not interrupting any assassination / game discussion

[blazing plaza]

got a question. i main rogue..played outlaw mostly and ofc sub/assa in raids.. decided to switch main to warr since rogue was not good in tww. now i see that assa is in a pretty good spot and thinking of coming back to my rogue..do you think is the corect decision or are we going to get nerfed just before the launch like other times?

[haughty flicker]

i main rogue

[blazing plaza]

read the entire thing dude

dont be rude

[haughty flicker]

i dont have the attention span to read more than 3-4 words

[normal mist]

So you made a decision to reroll based on beta numbers that aren't tuned whatsoever?

[blazing plaza]

yes

[haughty flicker]

serious answer is we dont know what tuning will happen

[rotund oak]

i think there is no final tuning so cant really tell

[haughty flicker]

but also

[rotund oak]

but u can always play ur rogue and check out stuff

[haughty flicker]

there isnt really a decision to make right now anyway

you'll have plenty of time to level both before any content actually comes out

and tuning will happen after you start working on one as always

[rotund oak]

if u want my personal opinion,stay on fury

[normal mist]

I expect the final tunings to happen during heroic weeks

[haughty flicker]

i wouldnt be surprised if both fury and sin ate nerfs ngl

[blazing plaza]

actually is reroll to fury..not stay

[rotund oak]

well u rerolled so u are there now

which means staying there stands

not into semantics

hope u get my point

[blazing plaza]

ye ye

but i dont think i will 🙂

[rotund oak]

outlaw dead btw,so u know what that means

[runic hinge]

assa too fun to reroll off

[rotund oak]

there is no spec to replace the urge to high apm

[blazing plaza]

hehe

thats kinda true

[kind forge]

stay warr

[drowsy hollow]

arcane is looking high apm

[kind forge]

rogue will always be fine

outlaw is dead tho

[runic hinge]

who said outlaw is dead?

[rotund oak]

me

[runic hinge]

was it the yellow names in the channel?

[rotund oak]

beta testing

and opinion based on that

[serene solar]

I hate those guys

[dry nova]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[kind forge]

the yellow names even abandoned their color

[runic hinge]

deserved tbh. yellow worst color in here

[drowsy hollow]

I haven't liked Outlaw since Legion

[serene solar]

Guys stop bullying me

[grim jay]

But you cant adequately flex your ginormous arms in the winter

#nowitsthewarriorchannel

[grim jay]

I haven't liked Outlaw since Legion

[drowsy hollow]

I'm not sure what I liked about Legion Outlaw that was gone after, but meh

[desert cove]

I just don’t know why they decided to make outlaw the new survival hunter

[grim jay]

Cope

[desert cove]

Low damage and the utility they provide isn’t strong enough to offset the damage loss

[rotund oak]

based

[grim jay]

Combat was cooler. Wouldve liked an iteration on that

Not outlaw

[desert cove]

You just aren’t proficient in gambling

[grim jay]

Im a steady income guy

I dont flip things

[desert cove]

Should’ve made sure you had the right proficiencies at character creation

[drowsy hollow]

I think the focus on the artifact ability in legion helped

[desert cove]

I’m 1000% flipper

Gamble everything

Your parse, your raid spot, your job, put it all in the pot /s

[kindred breach]

Can't wait for those casino sess after raid

[grim jay]

Tbf outlaw was pretty good in m+ most of the time and the dmg itself usually isnt the issue

Its how the spec works thats the issue

[kind forge]

the profile just sucks

for raiding

[royal lantern]

stop bringing up logic

[desert cove]

Yeah it was fine / playable in s3 and s4 before prepatch

[runic hinge]

can't want 100% uptime on your buffs and button spam and not get a flat damage profile

[desert cove]

But now with prepatch if the fight has only one target or infrequent adds, outlaw does tank damage

[kind forge]

"yea let me flat dmg the boss to death in his burn phase"

[royal lantern]

i mean, its prepatch lol

who cares

[desert cove]

But it’s the same on beta too, that’s the issue

[royal lantern]

prepatch are the biggest meme moments in the game, everything is a shitshow during them always

[grim jay]

I mean thats a thing for multiple specs, but its more like all that cdr shit is eh

[kind forge]

Tryan - here was a guy just minutes ago who rerolled to warrior cuz how rogue state was briefly in beta

dont tell em logics

[desert cove]

I’m obviously not gonna be holding my breath in regards to current beta tuning, as that can change a lot, but we’re getting a lot closer to launch with no changes in sight