assassination

[static glacier]

if it's actually on a long cd timer then sure

[rotund oak]

instead of dance though

push sepsis

and make it benefit emp gar

30-45sec cd

sin is there to conquer keys

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-no-no-no-meme-cat-no-cat-meme-gif-8178193224013835888

[rotund oak]

i hate sepsis man,im trying to cook with what ive got

im 3 beers in 😅

[regal bluff]

Guys, Ive read the guide, still dont understand why we dont get the Vanish +1 tree nodes

[royal lantern]

because vanish does fuck all?

and you waste 3 literally usseles points for it?

[regal bluff]

Why get Indiscriminate Carnage if we have onlye 1 vanish skill now?

the use of it will be diminished by A LOT

[static glacier]

because the things you give up in exchange are more valuable in terms of dps gain

[regal bluff]

what do you mean?

[static glacier]

what does an extra charge of vanish give you, in terms of value?

[regal bluff]

hmmmm, Im trying that anima thing, its kinda nice lol, never used it before

[static glacier]

think about it

[royal lantern]

mate

its 1 extra vanish

not less vanish cd

1 more charge

that translates into 1(!!!!!) more usage in a raidfight/dungeon run

cus its a CD that you use on CD

[regal bluff]

yeah, ur right

[static glacier]

big issue is they baked a lot of our stealth interactions into sin specific tree things that don't need subterfuge

[royal lantern]

its a trap many people fall into, 1 more charge on stuff literally just means "you use this 1 additonal time in total"

[drifting cloud]

hey more like 2 uses, maybe even 3 sometimes

[static glacier]

which left an extra charge of vanish being quite weak

[royal lantern]

and 2 points subterfuge, which does literally nothing at all

so you allready would use 2 points for a talent that does nothing, and a selfheal talent that does nothing for you

[regal bluff]

what is our "best" hero talents so far? If deathstalker the anima skill is much better than Vanish too

[static glacier]

if th extra charge of vanish was just a 1 point investment I could see it being taken

but the fact it comes after multiple useless points

kills it

[regal bluff]

thanks for all the replies lol

I understood 😛

and makes sense

[static glacier]

hard to say since tuning is ongoing. for the most part the biggest thing i'd say is default to fatebound if you want purely passive gameplay without anything extra

deathstalker is a bit more demanding

[royal lantern]

tuning still on going

and the goal is that hero trees are kinda equal

and deathstalker doesnt really work 100% with ER

cus Blizzard doing blizzard stuff i guess

[regal bluff]

Thanks again guys

let us wait for the upcoming changes

So far, im OK with all the changes

[royal lantern]

yeha, we wait a good while for those now

[silk bane]

Legend says some are still waiting to this day

[grim jay]

you changed since you are a sub regular

[kind forge]

what dust does to a mf

[grim jay]

couldnt be me, I like dust

[rotund oak]

i do like a beer man,its summer,some ice and its very good

[grim jay]

[kind forge]

in farm ?

[rotund oak]

i jsut dont like alot of alchohol in general

[kind forge]

how

i just opened that spreadsheet again and almost threw up

[grim jay]

just dont farm

ez

[kind forge]

tbf dust in tww will be since you just play 1:30 spec

[grim jay]

I only like shots and longdrinks

[rotund oak]

ive learned to drink beer coz field geology.. generally i dont like alchohol coz there are bad examples in my family with drinking issues

not close family but ye,relatives

[static glacier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[static glacier]

there you go

[unreal kayak]

ty

[twilit lagoon]

Sorry to resurrect, but why is Subterfuge that bad? I know originally this was a % Damage increase while stealthed, but we took subterfuge before the prepatch. Is it because talents like Imp. Garrote already have subterfuge kinda baked into the talent?

[balmy condor]

we took subterfuge before the prepatch for the extra seconds of nightstalker which let us snapshot a rupture in opener for a very minor gain

it was at the top of the tree with a bunch of useless utility points

[twilit lagoon]

Ahhhh

[balmy condor]

so it being the only thing that gave dps

made it auto-pick

[twilit lagoon]

Ok, that makes sense

And I guess there's really no reason to have a 1m Vanish because KB doesn't really care about stealth or not

[balmy condor]

I'm a bit confused what you mean, but ambush from stealth is strictly worse than mutilate now

[twilit lagoon]

Brain fart, I meant vanish

[balmy condor]

well you wouldn't get a 1 min vanish regardless

its +1 charge

[austere sorrel]

And still takes 2 mins to recover

[twilit lagoon]

Yeah, but you could stagger the charges to have 1 charge on CD every minute.

[balmy condor]

no

you couldn't

charges recharge in sequence, not parallel

or else the +1 shiv charge talent would be way better than it is

just cause you get +1 shiv charge still only means you get to shiv twice in 1 min

[hexed frost]

https://youtu.be/lLubfWnxwrM?si=OrGSkCkFGZyfOh2G

Finally some nice fcuking gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-delicious-steak-gif-7676990

[balmy condor]

can't say nice gameplay and then link a video with a bro playing without a trace

[hexed frost]

It's atleast gameplay though

[placid adder]

If you want gameplay just watch zero or casual

[balmy condor]

plenty of places to see gameplay

not a lot of places to see nice gameplay

[placid adder]

Base

[exotic hazel]

Any current content creators with recent videos you'd reccomend for nice gameplay?

[balmy condor]

no

I mean that sounds harsh

realistically everything is fine

just don't fall into the m+ brainrot of hyperanalyzing the gameplay

[twilit lagoon]

Is this intentional design, or a bug?

[balmy condor]

intentional

that's how charges work in world of warcraft the video game

can see it with tea charges for example

or shiv

or shadow dance on sub

anything with a charge system functions that way

fire mage pheonixes

fire blast on fire mage as well

if they recharged independently we'd have massive tuning issues

[haughty flicker]

it would also be cursed as fuck to keep track of

tracking 2-3 charges of some abilities cds all seperately, some classes with multiple abilities with charges

[long island]

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[kindred breach]

Like you would have 3 thistle tea CD icon lmao

[twilit lagoon]

I appreciate that explanation. I had always assumed they charged independently, but I can see now that's definitely not the case.

[kindred breach]

There is logic in them charging independantly but yeah it would have been a mess to track

[long island]

hey, so while maintaining garrote rupture and crimson tempest i just chain envenoms together at the last sec when all the bleeds are on target right?

[vestal wren]

the image looks ai generated

🙈

[limber lion]

Death Knight's runes or whatever have independent charging

But that's a bit different

[kindred breach]

If in single target yes, if in aoe situations you need to make sure caustic splatter is 100% uptime by sending a mutilate here and there

[limber lion]

Gets a bit wonky with cd timers on every rune xd

[midnight mist]

You also lose all the flexibility

You gain with having charges

Can't hold a charge anymore

[haughty flicker]

dk runes used to be even more cursed too

had different types of runes and you needed to use certain runes on certain abilities

[subtle tundra]

i pressed in the middle of the video randomly and he pressed something on his bars

LOL

[long island]

if im in aoe do i use fan of knives as combo generator?

[kindred breach]

Yes, FOK is for CP generation, thats why we need to make sure caustic doesnt fade off

I believe at 2 targets you stop using FOK but if someone could confirm?

[runic hinge]

it's 3+ for fok

ye

[cyan dew]

Does inputlagfix addon works or I should set my own spell queue window? Or w/e is placebo?

[chilly karma]

If we want to be in stealth more for garrote talents and Indiscriminate Carnage. why not spec into Subterfuge and Without a Trace?

[cerulean walrus]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[cerulean walrus]

That’s why

It doesn’t matter

Also double vanish is shit

[grim jay]

not really honestly

[kindred breach]

Thats a long story told many time here i believe lol

2 vanishes is just bad

[rotund oak]

cant progress further than aegis wall into campaign coz a quest is bugged

[kindred breach]

even if it gives the impression that its not

[rotund oak]

so cringe

[grim jay]

subterfuge does basically nothing on sin and a 2nd vanish charge isnt really a gain either, because its like 1 more usage

[vestal wren]

you could technically discuss the loss. Even tho best way to think about it is:
"i can't change it, so why bother"

[hexed frost]

What would be the difference between covering full kingsbane with double shivs or just the final 8 seconds?

[grim jay]

damage

[kindred breach]

hardly noticeable i think

[hexed frost]

How much?

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[kindred breach]

[royal lantern]

probs almost nothing because the first 2-3 ticks of KB are not really doing big dmg anyway?

[hexed frost]

So I can use one charge of shiv for bleedmaxxing?

Would be probably cringe though

[cerulean walrus]

[hexed frost]

[royal lantern]

everytime you say that word, a puppy and a kitten dies

[cerulean walrus]

My brain is about to bleedmax

[hexed frost]

May God forgive me for what I'm about to do

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gato-boom-explosion-explode-gif-26474412

[spring prawn]

so whats the verdict on rogue state going into tww? been out of the loop for past couple weeks

[shy pecan]

It's fine.

[kindred breach]

We got a couple of buffs last week felt nice but everything can change in the next 6 weeks

[rotund oak]

6 weeks?

[slim hamlet]

mythic release

[kindred breach]

Yeah until the 18th

September

[rotund oak]

[slim hamlet]

Nothing matters until after heroic week changes tbh

[kindred breach]

Yeah I believe there will be big changes this week

They'll gather massive data

[rotund oak]

in exactly 15 days im lvling up

idk about mythic release

[hexed frost]

They will improve deathstalker. I have full faith in Blizzard

Remember they have never disappointed Rogue community

[rotund oak]

except when they did

[hexed frost]

I am going on vacay with wife and will be back only on 31 Aug. Half my server will be heroic dungeon gear level I swear

[kindred breach]

won't we all stick with rogue at the end anyway lol

So i'm not very stressed

[chilly karma]

I am a little confused how Sanguine Stratagem and Deeper Stratagem work together. They just stack for 2 more combo points and 10% finishing damage? Is Deeper dependent on having Sanguine first?

[kindred breach]

Would be sad if we dont get to pug early HL keys

But its a caster meta anyways soooo

[lime crypt]

someone send me some minimalistic ui pls

[balmy condor]

The former

[lime crypt]

i reinstalled my pc, saved addons but not wtf folder 💀

[normal mist]

where are them manners

[rotund oak]

im gonna no life it first days,gonna pump both my rogue and mage and then send all my alts to do the crafting quest for materials and then bomb my main professions from the alt warband materials

big brain gold making

😉

[lime crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216397172723945472/1266763832760733818/3477e95056cc54ed5f343292ba7ecaab.gif

i said please 🥹

[kindred breach]

holy cow man did his homework

I'm taking notes rn

[rotund oak]

game will come to a standstill until raid release anyway,its just how fast u can farm professions and reputation the first month anyway

[kindred breach]

was gonna all in my all time rogue xD

Now i'll just make another one

Because my brain is too rotted to play anything else

[lime crypt]

wish i could do the same

but i got employed

[rotund oak]

ive been playing beta alot lately,tried a different approach on lvling sesrvers to go a bit faster but campaign is bugged

[lime crypt]

and cant take time off

[glad lark]

tough life having a job lol

[kindred breach]

Sadge mate

I'm getting days off from 18th to 20th sept

Omega rush

[rotund oak]

im taking a week off to just play wow 😄

all my vacations

[lime crypt]

my coworker does the same

[static glacier]

ive avoided anything other than dummies and keys on beta

[kindred breach]

chad

[static glacier]

dont wana spoil questing for me

[kindred breach]

Yeah i get you, didnt do a single key on beta too, just dummy, wanna get the full discovering experience

Though its not optimal for prep

[rotund oak]

ive done many hours on dummy and keys on all 3 specs

(outlaw is atrocious)

mfkrs gonna ks every 20

for a deathlog

[kindred breach]

I'm actually terrified i did a key on prepatch a few days ago its so awfull

But they reverted ace so maybe it will be more fun

(bring back acro and dance i beg)

[rotund oak]

its just a bad spec they literally moved to trickster/fatebound no ks to make the spec ''playable''

but still feels rly bad

idk

[chilly karma]

Is there a description of how Echoing Reprimand functions? I see some combo points light up blue.

[rotund oak]

ye when u press ER

[balmy condor]

If you use a finisher on them they function like 7cp

[rotund oak]

it charges cps,those charged cps act as 7cp charged ones

[kindred breach]

yeah even the hero talents are boring af

But we'll get to play sin at least

I'm happy

[rotund oak]

unless deathstalker sees some change i personally gonna fatebound sin

coz its the most reasonable thing to do

it cant go wrong

can also swap to sub

with daggers

[kindred breach]

Yeah i think i'll try at least to run DS at the begining but im just hoping they add garotte to the fuckin capstone

[chilly karma]

So how would I use it efficiently? If ball 4 and 5 light up for example? Or do I always want ball one to light up?

[kindred breach]

Fatebound cant go wrong but its so unequal in dmg

[balmy condor]

3,4,5 will always light up, you play like normal and if you land on any of the charged cp you use a finisher

Like instead of finishing on 5 or more

You finish on 5 or more or blue cp

[balmy condor]

You mean the mark?

[kindred breach]

Yes the first one

[rotund oak]

fatebound is just passive dmg,i can see deathstalker having its time but idk,havent done much raid testing as whispyr did or other boys,i took my time in testing all 3 specs a bit,get the general idea

[chilly karma]

Excellent thank you.

[kindred breach]

Like they can left ambush but just add what we are opening with in the gameplay...

[balmy condor]

Np

[balmy condor]

Idk it’s not that bad after the first ambush cause you just play the capstone forever

[chilly karma]

So it should be used on CD?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[kindred breach]

Yeah you're right thats not the ultimate pain, but just in the design of the thing its so sad that they choose the only spell we are literally never using for the last 154 xpac unless we got a proc to do so

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[kindred breach]

And it would be way easier if the darkest night buff fall but yeah definitely rn its more than playable

[balmy condor]

Fok single target pog

[spice spire]

Clear the witness

Hell yeah

[kindred breach]

xDDD we got the rain of fire thing in the discussion with the pals yesterday

I was like

[balmy condor]

Hell yeah

[kindred breach]

"El no sabe"

[balmy condor]

Clear the witnesses more like

Clear… me

From the game

GOTTEM

[marble hemlock]

i blame whispyr

complaining about not having to press ambush or snd on ST

so they gave us another button to press instead

[cyan dew]

we use envenom, CT with 5 or more CP, right? I'm seeing Zero play and he uses 6+.

[balmy condor]

All finishers with 5+

[balmy condor]

Honestly this is the only reason I’m not throwing a bigger fit

Mfers deleted every button on this spec

I don’t even see the people that complained about button bloat anymore

[grim jay]

we are really close to people not complaining about button bloat now

[balmy condor]

They showed up start of Dragonflight, bitched, it got changed, and they didn’t play rogue anymore

[runic hinge]

I want more buttons

[balmy condor]

Yeah just need to delete snd, er, ambush, condense gar and rup to 1 button, make CT a passive around your character, make vanish a proc

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-gif-25363844

[balmy condor]

Then we’re finally to the promised land

Of mut mut env

On our 100% uptime envenom

[grim jay]

nah vanish will be a proc for DM and it just allows you to recast DM

[balmy condor]

With no pooling

[grim jay]

for the stealth effect

[marble hemlock]

why pool when you can loop

[grim jay]

so its really 1 button less

[balmy condor]

God fuck

My blood pressure man

[grim jay]

imagine if you would drink monster while interacting with the channel

[rotund ferry]

I haven’t found any issues with to many buttons with rogue since legion. But then again I have very small hands for a guy.

[runic hinge]

i bet theyre perfectly average

[balmy condor]

Need to find someone with contact to monster for a sponsorship fr

Do you have any idea how hard I’d shill

I’m not above selling out for the queer elixir

[marble hemlock]

whats the opposite of monster

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

would be their gaming entry

fr, fuck the cod codes

[tropic cedar]

o you could RP as outlaw easily then

🦖

[rotund ferry]

If I touch control and use my index finger the farthest I can reach is 4 or R if I strain a little bit.

[chilly karma]

Garrote and Rupture are only spread through Indis Car when stealthed? Aside from tab targeting and reapplying...

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim jay]

8 for me

[kindred breach]

tf i'm barely hitting 7

[runic hinge]

I can do 7, 8 is kinda iffy

[rotund ferry]

I have to use thumb for shift 5 or control 5

[runic hinge]

like it's reachable but not in any sort of practical fashion

[grim jay]

I'd need thumb for 9 - ß

[rotund ferry]

Yup lol.

[austere sorrel]

If you play piano you may be limited to pop music

[grim jay]

@balmy condor whats the BiS index finger reach if your pinky is on ctrl? 4? 8?

[balmy condor]

I can reach 5 comfortably I think

6 is rough

7 id have to move my whole hand

Like REALLY stretch

[grim jay]

wtf

I had to google index finger

to be sure

how can your hands be so small

or maybe you just dont stretch enough

[balmy condor]

I’m smol

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

Lil femboy

Got them soft boy hands

[grim jay]

brother you aint much shorter than me

[balmy condor]

Am smol

[rotund oak]

bro is taller than me

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

im 1.81m

he is like 1.83

[cerulean walrus]

Y’all really not able to control+backspace?

That’s my favorite keybind

[grim jay]

honestly its alright, I like em smol and I like you, so I guess I like you²

[runic hinge]

if i use my right hand

[cerulean walrus]

With one hand smh

Small hands fr

[grim jay]

I'm 1.86

[balmy condor]

The only thing big is the muscle in my right middle and ring finger from bowling

[dull cloak]

Not if you're a piano player 🤣

[balmy condor]

I suck at piano

[cerulean walrus]

Oh yeah from “bowling”

[balmy condor]

It’s true!

But your gf ain’t complaining

[cerulean walrus]

You were bowling my balls last night

[grim jay]

there must be someone really enjoying it

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

savage

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

Left hand

[grim jay]

bro got silky smooth skin

what

[cerulean walrus]

Don’t make me post your toes

[balmy condor]

Right hand

[rotund oak]

fluffy hands

[balmy condor]

My middle finger bro

[rotund oak]

mine are all bitten

[balmy condor]

Massive muscle

[kindred breach]

Yeah thats like a whole sausage

[balmy condor]

Those were for your eyes only babe

[grim jay]

cant be from germany

those aint german sausage size

[cerulean walrus]

True

[royal lantern]

another part of the RH golem?

[grim jay]

tryan redeem me, how far can your index finger reach if you have your pinky on ctrl on the numbers

[balmy condor]

Flashbang

[spice spire]

Dog?

[balmy condor]

10 of them

Count em up

[runic hinge]

Who let the dogs out

[spice spire]

For free

Damn

[royal lantern]

uhm

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/letsgetiton-dmx-gif-21096087

[royal lantern]

comfortable ~4-5

5 is allready bit of a stretch

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

and if you only had to press one movement key together with it ?

[balmy condor]

Well that backfired

[grim jay]

[runic hinge]

Mf shaq in the channel hitting 8

[royal lantern]

well, my index rests on D while normal playing, taking my pinky of from ctrl when i reach for higher then 4

[runic hinge]

rip dmx

[balmy condor]

Default keybinds were made for Davyn’s hands

[royal lantern]

you make me check my finger movments rn btw

[grim jay]

idk maybe its the technique thats different. I dont mind moving with my ring finger

[royal lantern]

well, ringfiger is W

[grim jay]

ringfinger on W and I can still reach ctrl 8

wtf

[royal lantern]

tbh, i have freak hands aswell

[grim jay]

I mean its not a bind I'd play honestly

[royal lantern]

probs the keyboard layout i gues

[grim jay]

not even 8 alone

[grim jay]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71fauBLII2S.jpg

[balmy condor]

Oh lord he’s got those 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 hands

[spice spire]

I definitely go to - on the keyboard

Also P

[grim jay]

HA

quake I love you

[runic hinge]

p for peantis

[haughty flicker]

i have garrote on ]

[royal lantern]

ofc THAT gets your attention

[spice spire]

You too king

[spice spire]

Actually for brez

[grim jay]

you know what it is? its if you need to handle big things, you gotta have big hands

[balmy condor]

𝓕𝓡𝓔𝓐𝓚𝓨 ass hands

[gusty mirage]

Nice sparkles

[spice spire]

Unfortunately I was only gifted with small object

Big feet and big hands and for what

[cyan dew]

Whispyr, in this recent video of yours, you reach 5 cp and then go for another mut most of the time. Is it that you're not seeing you're already at 5 cp?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1cpqGYc-rE

[spice spire]

To pay more for gloves and shoes

Damn

[austere sorrel]

The big objects don't have to be your own

[balmy condor]

Brother idk man it’s not a guide

[spice spire]

Also straight. God literally told me to fuck off

[royal lantern]

atleast you make me laugh in this horrible god forsaken day

[spice spire]

Wait why is it bad

[austere sorrel]

The big objects don't have to be phallic in nature

[cyan dew]

I know, but you're doing it sometimes , so I wanted to see if there was a reason for using another Mut instead of a finisher with 5 CP that I was missing.

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker capstone I guess

[slate crown]

You should be on a list

[balmy condor]

Would be my only guess

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[austere sorrel]

I think he was using mutiLATE. Unless capstone

[cyan dew]

oh

[balmy condor]

Banned

[cyan dew]

k, thanks again Whispyr!

[gusty mirage]

Ban this buddy

[balmy condor]

Banana?

[balmy condor]

Np

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-gif-17489293101075569304

[balmy condor]

Us?

Ong?

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

[grim jay]

I only have 44, sometimes 44 1/2

luckily dont need to pay more

[balmy condor]

What is that in freedom units

[grim jay]

11 I think

[balmy condor]

🤝

11 gang

[runic hinge]

11 size shoes?

[rotund oak]

why do u measure on freedom units

[balmy condor]

No, 11 shoes

[runic hinge]

ok

[rotund oak]

ok thats weird

[balmy condor]

Cause I’ve lived in America my whole life man idk

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

im sorry for u brother

[grim jay]

best people have 11, cant go wrong with that. except women

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

why do tryhards keep saying assa is OP in beta

[balmy condor]

I can do cm and Celsius and stuff

But shoe sizes how tf would I know

[potent raven]

cuz assa is good on beta xd

[subtle tundra]

they should go outside

[grim jay]

how about glove sizes

[potent raven]

physique check lol

[grim jay]

do you do them in XL etc or numbers aswell?

(we have both)

[austere sorrel]

Should we put all of whispyrs physical stats in the FAQ

[balmy condor]

Yeah XL and stuff

Same with shirts

[grim jay]

I dont like that ngl, XXL sounds way bigger than 11

[balmy condor]

Pants are waist:length in inches

[grim jay]

bro miss me with that, depending on brand I need to switch between both on pants

its a pain

[balmy condor]

Me and my dad are 34:34

[lime crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic hinge]

why you getting in your dads pants

[spice spire]

I wear a size 13 lol. And also XXL gloves

[grim jay]

32:34 unless its a hilfiger chino, then I suddenly need like 36:34

[balmy condor]

If the pants fit

[balmy condor]

I was 32:34 and then I got

[glad lark]

I need either 36 or 38 for waist, legs are too big. Waist falls down so I wear a belt lol

[grim jay]

I'm still 🫃
I'm heavier than you

[balmy condor]

Big’ol legs

[grim jay]

you know what we call that in germany?

beine bis zum boden

because big long thick legs

[balmy condor]

After exercising and stuff, I’m running into a new issue where my thighs are too big

Fucking WHACK

[grim jay]

I literally cant wear slim fit pants

[balmy condor]

Skinny jeans don’t fit my anymore cause my god damn thighs are just so thick

[kindred breach]

[glad lark]

lululemon makes good stretchy chino type pants, they are pretty nice

[balmy condor]

Be walking around my house after getting up and my thighs are chafing

Hella stupid

[spice spire]

Hey king

[balmy condor]

Hey king

[spice spire]

[proud pelican]

Sometimes I wear a 36:30 and show a little ankle

[balmy condor]

Scandalous

[grim jay]

I could tell you a good brand but I think its germany only

[balmy condor]

Ankle? In this economy?

[glad lark]

flood pants lol

[spice spire]

Before marriage?

[balmy condor]

Fr

[iron valve]

Hrrrrnnggh Colonel, I’m trying to sneak around but I’m dummy thicc and my thighs keep ripping through my skinny jeans

[spice spire]

Real

[balmy condor]

Me irl

[grim jay]

https://www.walbusch.de/?mc=B11&wid=de_sea_b&adword=de_sea/br/sm/0/0/0/0/0&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtsy1BhD7ARIsAHOi4xY2j4hIOTES85uBLAdkwv_PWJUDJ6dnow6lRNGUie2cCwQD0t040fEaAq-wEALw_wcB
best pants ever.

5 years warranty

[balmy condor]

Warranty on pants?

[grim jay]

yessir

[balmy condor]

Wild

[grim jay]

I thought the same

but they really do it

like I had seam that somehow got rubbed open

after 2 years

they gave me new pants

no questions asked

[spice spire]

Need that

[balmy condor]

Crazy

[proud pelican]

Need to get the pant warranty in this economy

[spice spire]

To be rubbed open that is

[balmy condor]

Facts

Gotta get me some of that pants insurance

Hope I don’t have an accident or my premiums go up

[grim jay]

with or without warranty on the rubbing

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Quake buddy you gotta take the warranty

[proud pelican]

Bro do you seriously not have a warranty on your pants?

[balmy condor]

Trolling actually

[proud pelican]

Kids these days smh my head

[grim jay]

its actually even

on all their clothing

not only pants

which is even crazier

[balmy condor]

Underwear warranty?

[proud pelican]

How many miles does it cover?

[balmy condor]

Sock warranty

[grim jay]

I dont think they sell underwear

[balmy condor]

New business idea dropped

Socks with warranty

Sock lost in the wash?

New sock

Only the 1

[grim jay]

bro bankrupt with all the cheese-like mens underwear

[balmy condor]

Just mail a single sock as a replacement

That’s real customer service

[spice spire]

Is that like a guarantee to keep the socks on when you’re doing the homies

[balmy condor]

Socks stay OFF with the homies

[spice spire]

HUH

[proud pelican]

Truest thing I’ve heard all day

[grim jay]

I wouldnt ever

take them off

[potent raven]

does the garrote bug work on live too or only beta

[runic hinge]

only beta

[balmy condor]

Didn’t they fix it

I didn’t have a chance to check

[potent raven]

thats fucked

nah not fixed

[balmy condor]

Turbo cursed

Imagine all the clueless fools getting baited by subterfuge and without a trace

[spice surge]

Without a tracers keep winning

[potent raven]

its surreal how much my garr did in a 10

ii never check details but it was good

[haughty flicker]

so can i complain about restealths on the beta

[potent raven]

lmao

u have 2 vanish charges

[balmy condor]

Also inflated cause things die insta tbh

Subterfuge bug is only 3%ish

[uneven plume]

stop playing sin on beta

dont let them datamind the spec

datamine*

[balmy condor]

Classic

[keen mantle]

WDYM MAN

Im convinced its 50% of my overall

[balmy condor]

True true

[keen mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269632841319186502/1270614815194218556/image.png?ex=66b457c2&is=66b30642&hm=eddda5a1c74f0cd6ae820b7b34ec54771297d7f290088d2f0b76342468e6367a&

HE IS ABUSING THE BUG

NO WAY

[balmy condor]

I heard MagePlayer026969 in your chat said double vanish is actually +35% overall dps

[keen mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999613938218045530/1270729802588094534/image.png?ex=66b4c2d9&is=66b37159&hm=8da652b4103ff8cbb4447c66f28abdf3451a454aefa34658a94b28b95fe2cb91&

That ST IS FAKE TOO

ASSA IN M+ BUILD DOES NO ST

THATS ONLY WITH THE BUG

[subtle tundra]

oh this is why people say assa is op

[balmy condor]

True true

[subtle tundra]

woah cryve i like that guy

[balmy condor]

Assa is taken in keys for PRIO DAMAGE ONLY

(The streamer doesn’t take scent of blood)

[keen mantle]

I wish assa gets fixed today

[balmy condor]

[keen mantle]

from nicest guy

[shy axle]

whats the st effect of caustic splatter?

[keen mantle]

i will open the most toxic stream

ever happened

[balmy condor]

0

[keen mantle]

to the world

[hoary remnant]

What is the exact bug?

[shy axle]

why is it taken in the st specc on IV then

[hoary remnant]

the 5 cp with garrote?

[keen mantle]

I will be screaming bug abuser for 9 hours stream

while blasting the shit

out of the key

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge doubling shrouded and imp gar

[hoary remnant]

ok so nothing "new"

[keen mantle]

I checked some retail shit btw

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock

[keen mantle]

In entire key garrote does 8-9% of my overall

WHile in beta it does 12-13%

so its literally irrelevant

[balmy condor]

Yeah so 3%ish

[uneven plume]

so sin is just doing more than its what is supposed to be doing

[balmy condor]

Sim numbers win again

[balmy condor]

It’s also doing less than what it’s supposed to be doing

[keen mantle]

Bear in mind we miss ~3% from this aswell

[cerulean nest]

how does pooling change with loss of tier set in tww exactly. havent totally kept up

[balmy condor]

Eh, questionable

The math on that doesn’t quite add up

[balmy condor]

Atm pooling changes to completely dead

[keen mantle]

how bad can it be i mean

even if its 2% its fine

[cerulean nest]

so literally spend all your energy and frick envenom uptime

[balmy condor]

With a bit of haste it procs 10 times a minute, which is 150% damage, which is a bit more than consuming 1 mark

[balmy condor]

Well you still play for uptime obviously

But the energy doesn’t matter

[keen mantle]

Pooling is kinda same as before because of the 10% envenom talent , isn't it?

[balmy condor]

No

[keen mantle]

Chain envenoms and shit

[balmy condor]

That talent sucks

Fatebound doesn’t even take it in single target

Like raid build

[keen mantle]

Oh , i felt like in ST i had to do chained envenoms

[subtle tundra]

i love that people keep hyping assa up

[keen mantle]

Cause of the 10%

[balmy condor]

Yeah nah

Fatebound just untalents it

Deathstalker at least big capstone envenom

So it gets some value

But pooling and chaining is just a fucking joke

[subtle tundra]

i guarantee assa will get nerfed and outlaw buff and we will back to usual rogue meta

[keen mantle]

i mean what else to do? spam shit on cd gonna be better than that?

[balmy condor]

Envenom uptime baseline is way too high for it to ever matter, and rapid injection and sanguine kinda suck

[keen mantle]

sounds weird to me

[balmy condor]

Sim perfect pooling to just slamming is 0.3% in single target

Its literally not worth the brain power

[keen mantle]

I would sacrifice my left foot for 50dps

[cerulean nest]

so for fatebound currently the opener is the same as current, shivs always with KB, tea only as needed during shiv, as much envenom uptime as possible but no need to pool to 80 to start chaining, ignore sanguine still

[keen mantle]

so good to know

[cerulean nest]

?

[marble hemlock]

Because its a choice node, so when its pure singletarget you simply swap that one node (it says so in the text as well), but for most fights you get more value out of Caustic even if the rest of the spec is full single-target

[shy axle]

thank you

[balmy condor]

Fatebound with sanguine you can either perma stay above 50%, or just ignore it and play for envenom uptime and both are within 0.2%

[cerulean nest]

thats hilarious

[balmy condor]

Yeah shit doesn’t make any sense

[spice surge]

Nothing matters

[marble hemlock]

Yeah it's basically just laziness and at the end of the day, you'll play Caustic more often than not in raids.

[cerulean nest]

fuck it we ball

[balmy condor]

I was staring at pooling logic for like 2 hours yesterday and I was very close to just telling eleem to put me out of my misery

[marble hemlock]

If you never change builds, its better to have Caustic than IB

[cerulean nest]

and then I genuinely havent looked much into deathstalker bc of all the bug talk but are there many rotational differences?

[gusty mirage]

Would eleemo do it tho?

[balmy condor]

Finish on 7cp with capstone as #1 priority, fok in single target with clear the witnesses up

Otherwise kinda all same

[cerulean nest]

sweet

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

fok in single target

aaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaa

[cerulean nest]

I mean not sweet, but sweet info lol

[keen mantle]

Fok in ST seemed cool

[tropic cedar]

ye this sounds illegal

[keen mantle]

Thats the dmg from 9 fan of knives

on ST

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[keen mantle]

doesnt seem too bad

[gusty mirage]

Wow I’ve never felt so justified in a decision until right now

[spice surge]

Its also less cp and less poison procs

[marble hemlock]

but its more buttons

[spice surge]

But with thrown precision specced its good, without it its just neutral

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t worth it with just the buff, but then they also added it to mastery which is just straight up another 50% buff

[subtle tundra]

how does this blizzard guy keep making the spec worse and worse

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

Shit game lmao

[cerulean nest]

wait whats clear the witness exactly

[haughty flicker]

we dont know, no witnesses left to tell us

[balmy condor]

Fok buff after applying a mark

[cerulean nest]

oh word

so the loop to generate marks is just ambush from stealth on pull, spend the three marks (third one you do max CP), repeat

or AFTER the third one you do a max CP envenom

[balmy condor]

You do 3 finishers, then you get the capstone which is the 7cp

[cerulean nest]

got it got it

and one FOK some time within each set of three finishers

[balmy condor]

It’s a 10 second buff

You’d just replace the first mut after capstone envenom

So 7cp env -> fok

Back to normal

[cerulean nest]

yeah thats easy alright

[fickle hamlet]

lol what decision was that?

[cerulean nest]

this is some pretty basic gameplay lol

I dont mind it but its interesting

[balmy condor]

and that’s the gameplay impacting hero tree

Fatebound is even less

[cerulean nest]

it's weird they would concoct the whole heads tails thing and literally make it passive gameplay

like if we were trying to manipulate our coin flips thatd be pretty fun potentially

[tropic cedar]

that sounds very outlawy

[cerulean nest]

not in an RNG way, just like certain things you could do to guarantee the flips you wanted

[static glacier]

that kinda exists

its just not worth deviating spell uses from our main objectives

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor Meme complete, and now I'm ready for TWW

[coral arrow]

do we have any bisses fuu doc for tww or not yet?

[earnest remnant]

not yet

[coral arrow]

sadge, wanted to play some beta but I'm too lazy to read all trinkets and stuff

[marble hemlock]

Just pick two and play

[spice surge]

All of the trinkets suck anyway, just pick two

[coral arrow]

lmao rly, okay then XD

[royal lantern]

fatebound only?

so you go full trickster

[runic hinge]

I didn't just spend the last two weeks specific queueing ashran to not play deathstalker

[neat plank]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

To not play TWW

[balmy condor]

God damnit

[lime crypt]

he will come back

[balmy condor]

@runic hinge you cheeserball

[lime crypt]

they all do

[royal lantern]

wait, so FoK on singletarget will actually be a thing

[balmy condor]

Yes

[royal lantern]

jesus fucking christ

[spice surge]

Enjoy

[balmy condor]

From 20% to 100% and then a 50% buff from mastery on top

+600% buff in a week

Very good

[spring stream]

guys any tips for energy management?

[royal lantern]

remember when we had FoK in single target for a couple weeks in legion

and blizz deleted it cus they realised "this is really fucking stupid"

and now they say

"FoK in ST "

[balmy condor]

For live or beta

[runic hinge]

I put in WORK for that title

[spring stream]

live

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[iron valve]

Just out of curiosity, does Fatal Intent benefit from Shiv? or zoldyck? forgot zoldyck is specifically poisons

[balmy condor]

Shiv only atm

It should probably work with mastery and zoldyck

But we can’t really tell atm

Same with vicious venoms

That works with mastery and zold but not shiv

The plague damage stuff on deathstalker works with mastery but not zoldyck

Idk

Just all very strange

[spring stream]

tyty

[balmy condor]

Np

[normal mist]

a lot of respect for all those ashrans

[balmy condor]

When I was orange I was rocking shadowblade whispyr

But now I’m purple

What do

[spice spire]

You stop playing

Hello

[haughty flicker]

unluckers

[spice spire]

Or swap classes

[peak bobcat]

Or just don’t press the button

[haughty flicker]

found it @balmy condor

[runic hinge]

The absolute pain of crushing one but there being 0 undead in there or losing super bad but there’s like 8

[balmy condor]

Damn

[haughty flicker]

[real pike]

hello chaps which talent build would you use for council in Amir? the cleave one at the bottom?

[balmy condor]

Take the single target build and swap into caustic

[potent raven]

u can also take ic

i took ic idk how good it is

i think

[runic hinge]

Bosses aren’t together that much in amir tbh so I didn’t bother really

[past forum]

IC is kinda whatever without dance every minute

[real pike]

ooooh forgot about the dance

ty

[spring stream]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

beta realms down

[real pike]

same for vault council or?

[balmy condor]

for vault council you can take pretty much any of the m+ builds

[real pike]

huge

[balmy condor]

and untalent iron wire for some shit

doesn't really matter what

[real pike]

close my eyes and click

[balmy condor]

also if you're giga minmaxing make sure to swap blindside for tiny toxic

cause you don't press mut on that fight

[hoary remnant]

For you too? Your still in eu?

[real pike]

all fok?

[hoary remnant]

Because us players are playing

[balmy condor]

yuh

[real pike]

nice

[balmy condor]

that cant be, the beta servers are NA

there are no EU beta servers

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/853474124303171605/1270845516250484869/image.png?ex=66b52e9e&is=66b3dd1e&hm=72366fae4ec45c7e741397abcba495e845b1a85a8e08c9078b9a0c57844a8626&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=312

and the servers are definitely down

[real pike]

I must be getting old, Spinal Tap references do nothing for me any more

[pure sparrow]

new build

[hoary remnant]

But why are they streaming beta?

[balmy condor]

there's only one region of servers

[desert cove]

surely it being down for this long means we get rogue changes

[balmy condor]

that's why EU and NA can all play together on beta

it's the only time I get to run dungeons with my eu friends

[runic hinge]

Give em a little smooch too

[hoary remnant]

I know but idk why people can stream

[balmy condor]

might not have kicked existing connections yet

[pure sparrow]

theyre on the secret streamer servers

only the highest level streamers are allowed to play

on them

[haughty flicker]

they pulled the ladder up behind them

smh

[slow pulsar]

what is the best ability to amp with cold blood

[balmy condor]

envenom but it kinda doesn't matter

[slow pulsar]

gotcha

ya i did a quick search and saw u recommended just macroing into muti/ambush

[balmy condor]

recommendation atm is either macro it into mut/fok

or if you're giga cringe

playing for like the last drop of dps

you'd keybind it and press it for an envenom

if you're playing fatebound you'd additionally make sure to not cast it in a way where you'd cold blood an edge case flip

that's not a kekw I'm serious that's a thing

[pure sparrow]

wait like that's actually the rule and not just a super niche .1% dps increase?

[balmy condor]

it's like 0.4 yeah

you totally could still macro it

but using it after edge case flip so you don't lose a stack of inevitability

is something that you should do if you keybind it

alongside vanishing in opener at 5 in a row to fish for capstone

that's like 1.5%

that's just actually good

[real pike]

could someone that gets sadistic pleasure from telling people why they suck please tell me why this other rogue spanked me silly

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dPWJjRAk73x9arKq#fight=4&type=damage-done

[normal mist]

you suck

[real pike]

I knew it

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[real pike]

flawless coaching

also if anyone knows how to change the abilities back to English lmao

[balmy condor]

where the hell did your 2 min burst go

[real pike]

wait hold up

I appear to not have casted Deathmarkl

[slow pulsar]

kekw

alivemarked

[balmy condor]

you also didn't press ashes

[spring stream]

yo we still press crimson tempest at st ? so at bosses in m+?

[balmy condor]

tf hell no

CT is 3+

[gaunt sigil]

No lmao

[spring stream]

ah okay okay

[real pike]

ohhhh shit

[gaunt sigil]

Bring it back in st tho dont @ me

[real pike]

I have it macro'd to DM

you think that's the whole difference?

[balmy condor]

should have it macro'd to kb technically

[real pike]

oooh really

[balmy condor]

but yeah I'd say that's a pretty big difference

[gaunt sigil]

Is it still optimal to use ashes 3 s in or am I lost

[balmy condor]

lost

[gaunt sigil]

I havent played assa since S3

I quit cause of KB parries

[balmy condor]

that went away after first kb nerf like 3 weeks into s3

[shy pecan]

Yeah, casting it once in a three minute fight would get you beat by the other rogue alright

[balmy condor]

you quit cause skill issue?

[gaunt sigil]

mhm

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[real pike]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dPWJjRAk73x9arKq#fight=last&type=damage-done

[gaunt sigil]

Nah I really quit cause I wasnt enjoying the KB playstle compared to S2

[real pike]

is it a similar thing here?

I know it was a wipe but think we both lived to the end

[pure sparrow]

DM 1 time in a 5 minute fight is less than ideal

[gaunt sigil]

Like KB is cool and all but I dont like relying on having perfect uptime for 18 sec every minute to have damage at all

[balmy condor]

I beg of you man

[gaunt sigil]

I like it on Beta but rogue feels yucky on Beta

[balmy condor]

please press your cooldowns

what are you doing

[real pike]

looooooool

[pure sparrow]

which is really weird

because you're pressing KB 5 times

[real pike]

what did I miss

[gaunt sigil]

Mans holding CDs for WoW 2

[pure sparrow]

but DM once

so you're pressing KB on CD

[balmy condor]

kann ich auch auf deutsch alter

[pure sparrow]

but just not pressing DM when it naturally aligns with KB

[balmy condor]

ZIEHE DEIN TODESMAL DU RINDFIECH

[real pike]

what the fuck

[pure sparrow]

LOL

[real pike]

holy fuckballs

[stark kraken]

[pure sparrow]

you broke him

[real pike]

lmfao

I'm bad but not normally that bad what the fuck

[gaunt sigil]

My discord translate is broken

Draw your death mark you beef?

chat is this real?

[real pike]

maybe he means cow?

[balmy condor]

rind is beef, fiech or viecher is like creature

[spring stream]

youre german??

[real pike]

I think the worst part is I didn't even notice I missed them

[balmy condor]

sadly

[gaunt sigil]

Do you have a WA?

[spring stream]

wie viele sind hier bitte noch deutsch

[balmy condor]

haufen

tryan, davyn

fuu is oesterreicher

[real pike]

I use the Luxthos package

[kind forge]

Wir sind alle deutsch

[real pike]

but honestly I don't usually miss fucking DM

[gaunt sigil]

I think playing the war crime spec is very fitting of germans

[real pike]

I have sucked extra balls since prepatch

[gaunt sigil]

plz dont ban me

[real pike]

the abuse is good for me tho, helps me learn

[shy pecan]

Probably thinking DM is like AR and off the GCD or something

[real pike]

it's like I'm in uni again

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah make sure you arent just missing the casts from GCDs

[real pike]

"I swear, this doesn't usually happen"

[errant trail]

@balmy condor

you played maple story?

[gaunt sigil]

I had a few times where I missed a DM or KB cause of GCD

[real pike]

I also suspect I'm missing some ashes' from hitting grieftorch within the 20 secs before

[gaunt sigil]

Rip MS2

[real pike]

sometimes KB gets parried and I don't notice

that hurts

[kind forge]

[pure sparrow]

stand behind the boss

[gaunt sigil]

Oh I have a WA that tells me whenever anything gets parried so I can get angry

[balmy condor]

playing right now I got 2:32 until bosses reset and 6 more mules to run

[real pike]

nice, I like getting angry

[gaunt sigil]

I used to have it /yell when I got parried

[haughty flicker]

why are the mules running

[real pike]

not always possible 😦 but I tri

yeah I reckon I might be hitting DM off the GCD

[strange python]

I notice my kingsbane got parried a few second into the fight when I’m fighting with the tanks on meter

Oooo class tuning

[gaunt sigil]

The /cast Shadowstep -> /cast KB macro

[real pike]

ye it's just bosses like Sennarth or Nymue I guess

although I feel I'm about to be told they can't parry or something

[real pike]

fresh?

[pure sparrow]

my WA starts glowing when DM and KB are 10 seconds off CD so that I can always prep for it

you might like having something similar

[real pike]

I might also try just not being a shitter and pressing my buttons

[strange python]

Yeah but also it’s worthless

Holy pala nerfs is half the page

[pure sparrow]

it might seem silly but anything that you can do to offload some thinking onto your UI is good

so yeah you COULD just not be bad and remember your CD's

but having a little glow around your CD when its almost off CD and is off CD so you never forget

[feral mason]

does that tag chance on kb fix the aoe bug maybe?