assassination

[exotic hazel]

Awesome

[slim hamlet]

I wonder if fatal intent will work with shiv and stuff

So you gotta be ready for that

[balmy condor]

it's coded to work with shiv

[slim hamlet]

Pog

Or kinda pog

[balmy condor]

but it doesn't work with anything else

[slim hamlet]

Cool but can also be cringe if you really want to minmax it and hope for good timing

[balmy condor]

and fatal intent in general is doing 0 damage cause the entire backend of that spell is spaghetti

[slim hamlet]

So it's the same as any spell in the game?

[balmy condor]

no its worse

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

It's over for that spell

[exotic hazel]

At least the talents don't really affect our rotation beyond Ambush opener on DS

[balmy condor]

it's still linked to the trinket

but they removed the flat damage that the trinket would've done

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

which is this AP mod here

that's the multiplier skills have with attack power

but because trinkets don't work like that the whole thing is completely bricked

cause the AP number doesn't actually apply

so it just says 0 * 1 +vers damage

the stacks apply and everything

it even triggers

and removes itself

but when it triggers its effect there's nothing behind it

so it just does 0 damage

[slim hamlet]

Sounds ready to ship

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's what you get for copy pasting a trinket and then not cleaning up after yourself

[slim hamlet]

Is it correctly implimented in sims tho?

[balmy condor]

no

[slim hamlet]

Ahh

[balmy condor]

the backend code is so fucking janky koji has refused to add it

cause like

no point adding something that's gonna get basically a full rewrite

[slim hamlet]

Oh so sims use the actual thing from ingame?

I thought you like had to impliment it specifically made for sim

[balmy condor]

depends on the spell

[fossil crown]

just resubbed and hopped on my rogue for the first time in a long while, feels jank and energy starved?

[balmy condor]

like a lot of spells just read the data from the game and it's chilling

but some spells need more support in sims

to bridge the gap

especially if things are scripted server-side and can't be seen in game data

[slim hamlet]

I see

[slim hamlet]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[slim hamlet]

We don't have infinite energy anymore

[balmy condor]

energy management is one of the cores of assassination, after the rework in 10.2 sub and assa both slowed down outside of cooldowns

[fossil crown]

Whispyr just read your piece about deathstalker hero talents, is the concensus still that we are boned in TWW?

have not really followed the xpac at all

[balmy condor]

it's better

but there's situations where it's still a janky mess

the complaints about like hunt them down being auto attack damage and stupid and all that is still a thing

but the mark got a couple fixes to make it not awful to play

[fossil crown]

kinda weirded out by using ambush instead of garrotte

[balmy condor]

well with how they changed it, you only ambush once

and then never again

cause ideally you just permanently shuffle through the capstone

it's very strange

[fossil crown]

do we just forego our empowered garrotte or is subterfuge basically mandatory now

[balmy condor]

improved garrote is 6 seconds

you don't need to do anything crazy

just ambush -> garrote

[fossil crown]

oh i literally did not know that, always thought it was only improved during stealth and we got to extend it out of stealth because of subterfuge and shadow dance

[balmy condor]

well subterfuge before dragonflight was improved garrote

so you're not entirely wrong

but with dragonflight improved garrote became its own talent

and had a 3 second duration

which now in 11.0 is 6

subterfuge now does actually nothing of value for assassination

[slim hamlet]

Unless we count the shrouded + subterfuge bug

[balmy condor]

the two things it provides is increased master assassination duration, which isn't a talent we use generally and is very low impact, and the ability to cast ambush a couple more seconds

which we actually want to avoid as ambush is strictly worse than mutilate

[balmy condor]

we had that bug in vault as well, but during deathmark cause of the duplicated garrote

it was fixed really quickly because we started going gar-env-gar-env-gar-env

but it was less than 1%

so I guess the +1 vanish charge is -4.1%

and not -5%

[slim hamlet]

I member

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

Gigantic

Logging in and switching to double vanish right now actually

[balmy condor]

only 4-5 more completely broken bugs

and we might play double vanish

[slim hamlet]

I knew all along

[devout mist]

Sudden demise in ST when?

[slim hamlet]

When you talent it

[balmy condor]

you laugh but 10.2 this was almost a reality until they buffed the tier set by like 700%

scent of blood is scary good

[devout mist]

[slim hamlet]

Remember when we almost took Scent of Blood in ST?

[balmy condor]

that's what I'm talking about yes

[slim hamlet]

Oh didn't see last part

..

[devout mist]

In 10.2 ptr i didnt follow assa much, i was hanging with the pirate bros

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-traitor-star-wars-gif-16767158544211392703

[cobalt geyser]

@balmy condor How good will assa be for Myth prog in your opinion ? I just had debate with guildies about comp for new raid so If you can give me good info I would be happy 😄

[balmy condor]

ask again in 6 weeks

it's entirely based on how the specs are tuned

and they're tuning every week

we could go into week 1 of the raid in 5 weeks and be bottom of the barrel awful

and then get a 7-8% buff going into week 2 and be huge

or the opposite

it's a melee dps spec

we have atrophic which is good

you probably want 1 rogue pretty much always

but it's not required in any way

if warlocks for example are doing 10% more damage

you'd just run another warlock

[slim hamlet]

But Kush had "Assa TWW is OP" in his title?

[cobalt geyser]

Was on Aug from S3 till end of S4 and I am just sick of it and wanna play my baby rogue more

[devout mist]

Get 1 rogue for prog and then bench em till next season

[balmy condor]

then do it

[rigid comet]

Any chance we get to play fatebound instead of deathstalker in the case that it stays similar as it is right now?

[balmy condor]

it's already better in m+

so yeah I'd say so

[devout mist]

I got a very important question tho, do i play my gnome or my panda rogue this season

[slim hamlet]

Fatebound in m+ despair

[slim hamlet]

Both

[kindred breach]

For real? hell yeah

[fossil crown]

gnome master race

[kindred breach]

I was scratching my head on how to properly reapply marks and make sure to not fuck it up

[devout mist]

Fatebound in m+ is bis, gotta follow my funny coin buff and get a dopamine hit when number goes up. Then deathroll the tank for 500k

[kindred breach]

• the ambush thing... disgusting lmao

[balmy condor]

very simple 3 step process for that

1. apply it from ambush first gcd of the first pack
2. capstone for the rest of the dungeon
3. some jank inevitably happens and deletes your mark or times out your capstone, return to step 1

[fossil crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[fossil crown]

so tldr when pooling we are just not pressing buttons every global?

[kindred breach]

Thanks boss

[balmy condor]

correct

[kindred breach]

The second part looks scary but I guess we'll have to do with it if playing DS

[balmy condor]

its impossible to press a button every global by design

[balmy condor]

its incredibly easy

[devout mist]

Gotta get a huge text WA reminding me i dropped mark mid pull in m+

[balmy condor]

you get the capstone buff if a target dies with the mark on it

so as long as you use a 7cp envenom to apply the mark

job done

[kindred breach]

wooow I missed that part hard lmao

Didn't do my homework sorry...

[balmy condor]

after the first ambush from stealth you always have either a mark applied, or the capstone

unless either time out or the mark poofs because the game sucks

[fossil crown]

it does seem like its gonna be better if not a little bit lame

[devout mist]

Wait if the buff somehow drops, boralus 2nd boss style

[balmy condor]

or mists first boss

[runic hinge]

First boss mists in season 1

[devout mist]

Do i need to vanish ambush to reapply it?

[runic hinge]

I’m slow af

[balmy condor]

or necrotic wake third boss

[balmy condor]

yes

[kindred breach]

either this or you wait for next pack i guess

[runic hinge]

Necrotic wake is a fake dungeon and I won’t be playing it

[devout mist]

The random mut, ambush procs dont work then

[kindred breach]

no 😦

[balmy condor]

it's not an ambush from stealth

[devout mist]

Ok gimme the tree then

[kindred breach]

I'm a huge gambler and I liked that in wow you are not relying on luck

Guess i'll have to find a new game lmao

[devout mist]

Outlaw fatebound

[balmy condor]

who told you you're not relying on luck lmao

[devout mist]

Is a dream come true for u

Dice

Coins

[balmy condor]

there is not one spec in the game that has less than 10% variance

[devout mist]

Blackjack

Hookers

[balmy condor]

assa during season 3 and 4 is over 15% variance

[devout mist]

All in 1 spec

[slim hamlet]

KB crits go brrr

[balmy condor]

wow is a huge rng fiesta

[kindred breach]

On which aspects you mean? Like i get it for outlaws but seemed to me like assa and sin are way less luck relying

[runic hinge]

Just crit

[kindred breach]

apart for the crit part ofc

[haughty flicker]

0 variance if you just always crit

[slim hamlet]

^

[slim hamlet]

Does there need to be other reasons?

[runic hinge]

Apart from the rng what’s rng

Sorry I’m trying to be funny not mean

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[slim hamlet]

You're both

[haughty flicker]

[kindred breach]

Yeah but i mean crit is a gamble for all specs which plays it as main secondary stats, that's not "more" rng than any spec could have

[slim hamlet]

:(

[balmy condor]

well there's just a 5% variance on any non-damage over time effect just baseline in the game
then you have crit chance
weapon enchant procs
poison application chance
trinket procs

[haughty flicker]

sophic pog

[balmy condor]

assa in season 3 for example has a HUGE swing entirely dependant on everything proccing during your deathmark

[devout mist]

Neltharion trinket goes brrrrrrrr

[kindred breach]

yeah your right when you see the big picture its pretty huge i agree

[slim hamlet]

Crit also means a lot for us because of seal fate + we have huge individual ticks of dmg

With KB end

[runic hinge]

Squid boi is my bff

[slim hamlet]

Also proccing KB to max stacks fast

[kindred breach]

hmm also true its more impactfull on sin than on any other from this perspective

[devout mist]

Ye i got a love hate with him. He is very clingy sometimes and sometimes he comea after major cds

[balmy condor]

in season 3 there was pulls where you had 65 poison applications

and some pulls where you capped at 99 with 3 seconds remaining

completely out of your control

[slim hamlet]

Just get 100 windfury procs in a row with all hitting a poison proc

[balmy condor]

very simple

[kindred breach]

Yeah your definitively right we are more relying on procs than other

[devout mist]

So are we still doing hardcore multiplications by 0 on fatal intent?

[balmy condor]

yes

[kindred breach]

Its not outlaw level but yeah guess i need to change my point of view

[balmy condor]

you're right

it's worse than outlaw

[slim hamlet]

Lot worse aint it

[balmy condor]

not a lot

[slim hamlet]

People think outlaw is omega rng just because it rolls dice

[balmy condor]

but season 3 and 4 assa was the most rng rogue spec

so

"not outlaw level"

technically correct

[slim hamlet]

At least it's not enhancement storm build level of rng

[balmy condor]

don't worry though

after they buffed the shit out of fatebound

it's actually worse now

[slim hamlet]

I hope they keep doing that

I love RNG

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-24664106

[balmy condor]

(a lot of those numbers are just dslice rng to be fair)

but yeah

welcome to world of warcraft

[devout mist]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[kindred breach]

I'll just keep tryharding poker i guess lmao

[faint vessel]

fatebound sin just felt nice in a dungeon

[balmy condor]

just because they hide the RNG doesn't mean it's not there

[faint vessel]

i mean, it felt like live with more damage lol

[slim hamlet]

Fatebound seems like the single worst m+ hero talent I have read

[balmy condor]

what

fatebound is sick in m+

[faint vessel]

oh you read? i listen to whispyr

[fossil crown]

maybe not important but when initially approaching an AOE pack from stealth and throwing your garrottes and ruptures , once everything is garrotted do you keep using it for the CP builder or do you swap to fan of knives during the imroved garrotte window

[balmy condor]

fok

[faint vessel]

(but in all seriousness the fatebound hero talents seem really good for M+/cleave)

[balmy condor]

yeah

they are

[slim hamlet]

It is fully passive, the only thing you notice is capstone droppign between pulls

[balmy condor]

you'd only notice that if you track it

[devout mist]

Always pull for tank

It helps em

[slim hamlet]

True

[devout mist]

[slim hamlet]

Time to run tricks and pull if they don't fast enough

[haughty flicker]

you pulling for tank is just mitigation for them

[kindred breach]

That's not why evade was designed?!

[faint vessel]

Im probably in minority but I really enjoy set and forget it hero talents at least for the first season of war within

[slim hamlet]

Yea I really love to get 10 talents which I will never notice

[devout mist]

They are squishy these days, evade tanking rogue is the new utility we provide

[slim hamlet]

But tbf the defensive node in fatebound is sick

[faint vessel]

to each their own, I play other classes to so. it isnt the most interesting but Im already interested in sin

[haughty flicker]

i wouldnt mind passive trees if they looked cool to appeal to my monkey brain

[faint vessel]

yeah I wish there was more visual to deathstalker & fatebound

[kindred breach]

I mean you need to use all your tricks since they nerfed their sustainability...

[desert cove]

You’ve clearly never enjoyed the pure elation of hitting a 5+ bte streak in your sub window on outlaw

[slim hamlet]

What do you mean? You don't think the single coin is cool?

[haughty flicker]

like herald is passive but monkey brain see light and dopamine activates

[devout mist]

Funny coin is a appeal

[desert cove]

I will personally be tracking every coin flip

[devout mist]

Track it ans ignore everything else

[desert cove]

It fuels my gambling addiction

[slim hamlet]

What does that have to do with passive talents you never notice?

[devout mist]

Keep.number big

Dont envenom for 20 secs till CB is up

[kindred breach]

yeah that was a ton of fun i agree

[slim hamlet]

I wanna make a wa that does the plunderstorm coin pickup sound whenever I flip a coin

[devout mist]

So u can guarantee coins from 15 to 17

[desert cove]

B/c if you get a massive string of coin flips you’ll notice

[kindred breach]

Bte goes brrrrr

[slim hamlet]

How?

[desert cove]

More damage on heads flips, if you get a bunch of tails flips you’ll see more big numbers

Easy as

[devout mist]

Getting DM+KB with 16 head stacks

[slim hamlet]

Are they exponential?

No right?

[desert cove]

Pretty sure it’s linear stat increases

[slim hamlet]

Yea so that wouldn't matter at all unless I am missing something

But yea if you like to track how many in a row and get adrenaline somehow that's sick

Just not to me

[devout mist]

Its either that

Or learning to count to 3

[desert cove]

I need a wa that does the moist critikal scream when I hit 7 stacks

[devout mist]

Mark....mark.....mark.... 7 CP!!!

[slim hamlet]

I want that

[devout mist]

Repeat

[slim hamlet]

Just use a wa for mark

[devout mist]

Both are lame if u rly wanna dig into it

[slim hamlet]

or plater

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/japanese-guy-japan-wooo-japanese-woo-gameshow-gif-27325243

gonna be my wa

[devout mist]

But its what we got

[slim hamlet]

Deathstalker exists, fatebound doesn't do anything

Or

Doesn't make you do anything*

[devout mist]

I mean there things u can optimize mid pull

Like DM coming up

[slim hamlet]

But I would rather that than what it looked like at the start

[devout mist]

Cb coming up

So u keep your streaks

[slim hamlet]

where you really tried to manipulate the stacks to 7 with cold blood and shit

Pretty sure you just don't do that

I think the average time to get the capstone was 50 seconds according to sims?

[devout mist]

I mean just play what u like

We aint getting invited to keys anyway

[slim hamlet]

I play the one with the highest number unless it's intermission boss

[slim hamlet]

Make own easy

[haughty flicker]

just dont do keys

m+

keep it away from me

[devout mist]

Yea i adopted the get a very early season 3k-3.2k so i can get into 10s ez for the rest of the season

[slim hamlet]

How long do you have the capstone buff after getting last mark done with deathstalker btw?

[haughty flicker]

(i dont actually mind m+ before people start yelling at me)

[devout mist]

And call it a day

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-smol-small-ragey-gif-26398063

[kindred breach]

wasn't it 60sec?

[spice surge]

30

[slim hamlet]

I mean if it's 60 then I am LOGGING IN

30 is more than enough too

I was expecting like 10

[kindred breach]

thanks mate

Yeah 30 is plenty

10 would have sucked a lot

[slim hamlet]

Yep

That is what fatebound is

[kindred breach]

Its 10sec to lose the coins accumulated?

[slim hamlet]

idk about the small coins

But the capstone

[kindred breach]

Ok so either you dont restealth or you loose the capstone

[balmy condor]

el no sabe

[slim hamlet]

It's not the most important thing ever

But yea

[kindred breach]

Its not enought??

[slim hamlet]

I mean in most dungeons 10 sec is probably enough to get to new packs 90% of the time, but pug tanks are pug tanks so

[balmy condor]

lets say you have a dying pack of mobs, and your marked target dies 10 seconds before the actual end of the pack

you reapply your darkest night once because yolo, 5 seconds before the end of the pack

the pack ends

[kindred breach]

Yeah thats exactly what i was thinking you need to proc capstone on like the last mob

[balmy condor]

you're at 25 seconds

[kindred breach]

that sucks holy

[balmy condor]

okay, so now with our 25 seconds

lets skip ahead to the opener on the next pack

it's a bigger pack

8 targets

gar gar rup rup gar gar CT er env dm shiv kb mut mut to get to 7cp, envenom -> this one triggers the capstone

that's 15 seconds into the next pull

so we're left with a buffer of 10 seconds between packs

if you're too slow on that

[kindred breach]

Yeah so thats pretty much like fatebound capstone it will be hard to reapply without 60 sec...

[haughty flicker]

time to pull out the pocket anvil strats

[balmy condor]

you have to adjust on the fly and wreck your opener

[haughty flicker]

and hit dolls between pulls

[balmy condor]

in order to 7cp envenom and try and conserve

[devout mist]

Well if er counted as max points....

[balmy condor]

doubtful

[slim hamlet]

That is when you have full CDs to go and you choose to not just proc it with restealth and you in the first place don't just chain

[kindred breach]

No that is really really bad lmao

[balmy condor]

it'll probably count for the mark consumption itself, since 7>5

[slim hamlet]

Quite a lot of things that have to be perfect for it to just be AS bad as fatebound

[balmy condor]

but asking for the capstone to be on ER is a stretch

[devout mist]

I mean....

[kindred breach]

Yeah cuz we could put an envenom right after the ER

That might save the day?

[devout mist]

Still.dont know if ER not triggering capstone is intended or not. Or at least idk

[balmy condor]

the strong assumption atm is ER triggers the mark, but not the capstone

[slim hamlet]

This definitely sounds like it should work with it

[balmy condor]

okay now you don't talent deeper and have 6 max

should it still work

[slim hamlet]

Oh does ER just always counts as 7?

I thought it was just your max available

[haughty flicker]

er is always 7

[balmy condor]

it's always 7

[slim hamlet]

Yea that is tricky

[gilded oasis]

Know what else is tricky?

[slim hamlet]

dn

?

[gilded oasis]

to rock a rhyme thats right on time

[slim hamlet]

You been lurking to say that?

[gilded oasis]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

Reasonable

[worldly sail]

[haughty flicker]

sometimes you just have to commit to the bit

[gilded oasis]

Im in a commited relationship with the bit infact

[runic helm]

Honestly ER always being 7 is dumb too. It should scale higher if you have a higher max combo points too. But should definitely count for procing the capstone. Makes it way more interesting gameplay wise too

[kindred breach]

Yeah I feel it would give us more space to reapply the mark

Cause your Evenom after the ER procs it so you gain like 4-5s

Which is not insanely good either

But having to make a full opening and reapply it at the end feel like rot

[balmy condor]

wait until you realize that the mark drops off your target through natural play

right at the end of your kingsbane

[haughty flicker]

xdd

[chrome rivet]

Is there a haste requirement for sin? I'm learning the spec for the first time and noticed that we elect to take some haste w our pieces in leiu of crit/mast

[balmy condor]

no

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[balmy condor]

stats are just close and change a lot

[kindred breach]

wait how?? is it a bug ?

[spice surge]

Some bosses fly away, transition into another phase or send you away for a while

[balmy condor]

no it's just how the mark works

you have 3 stacks of the mark

so 3 finishers

after that, the mark drops and you get the capstone

so during that time between the last finisher and you building to 7 and hitting an envenom

you just don't have the mark on the target

[spice surge]

Oh you meant that way

[balmy condor]

during AoE pulls where you're applying the mark during your cooldowns

[prime plinth]

So Sin lookin better after recent changes?

[balmy condor]

it lines up that your mark gets fully consumed at the end of your kingsbane

and you get like 2-3 ticks of kingsbane without singular focus

[slim hamlet]

Buffs will always make it look better

[balmy condor]

because deathstalker is a great tree with no jank

[kindred breach]

Oh yeah i see thanks for developping

[prime plinth]

It looks substantially better though as opposed to a little tickle of a buff

[prime plinth]

At least it looks like it

[slim hamlet]

I think it was ~10% buff

So yea

15% if fatebound

[kindred breach]

Why sending your kids to do jobs and live without aid to face reality

When you can just plug them right here

[balmy condor]

15%ish for deathstalker as well with the follow up mastery changes

[slim hamlet]

oh yea

[prime plinth]

nice

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait to play deathstalker

Wish deathstalker was horde title

[royal lantern]

OH WAIT

[slim hamlet]

huh

[royal lantern]

Deathstalker is a Forsaken group

it is technically a Horde Title

[slim hamlet]

Yes and yet it's a fucking alliance title

[haughty flicker]

he means the literal title

[slim hamlet]

dumbass game

[haughty flicker]

the death stalker

silly game

[slim hamlet]

dumbest ass game

even

[royal lantern]

he can stalk my nuts

[nova flax]

Ur the dumbass playing horde

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mrandle-joe-biden-pause-hold-up-trump-gif-17516027643168970587

[royal lantern]

you would enjoy it, admit it

[slim hamlet]

Jokes on you, switched to nelf because it is clearly op now

[royal lantern]

[haughty flicker]

same

needed the restealths

[nova flax]

[slim hamlet]

(for legal reasons this is a joke, but I actually did so it's not a joke, but still a joke you know?)

[nova flax]

Im a dwarf but been wanting to change it up

Might go panda

[slim hamlet]

No one could ever make anything but my shaman a dwarf

[haughty flicker]

i play be so i could just swap to ve and use the title

lmao

[slim hamlet]

Dark Iron Dwarf tho

holy

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-elves-gif-5021243051349336030

[nova flax]

DID is gigabis

[slim hamlet]

dark iron is so cool

[nova flax]

Especially if you have all the mole machine locations

[slim hamlet]

tmog on dworfs are just dogshit 90% of the time

so gg

[nova flax]

ive cracked the code bro

[slim hamlet]

Just be naked?

[haughty flicker]

dwarves can look ok

but they have to look like dwarves

[royal lantern]

wait, you wear clothes?

[slim hamlet]

irl? no

But gotta be respectable ingame

[nova flax]

But ya

[haughty flicker]

now that you can hide pants you can see some pretty nice dwarf ass with some robes

so thats a plus

[nova flax]

Armory doesnt show the stinging sands on my weapons

[slim hamlet]

That's a nice tmog

Just not very roguey

[nova flax]

Im a WASTEWANDER BANDIT bro

[slim hamlet]

I prefer being as naked as possible without being naked

[royal lantern]

look at the spec

case closed

not a rogue

[haughty flicker]

charge your phone pls

[slim hamlet]

Doesn't look like a warrior either

[haughty flicker]

rogue transmog in tww is almost enough to make me actually play rogue

but only almost

[nova flax]

I havent even looked at anything for TWW. What spec we playing boys

[worldly sail]

rogue lost hard on TWW transmog (especially leather questing gear compared to the other armor types)

[slim hamlet]

I personally think it's doodoo

[nova flax]

Spoon feed me the info

[royal lantern]

same as always

whatever you like

[slim hamlet]

augmentation

[royal lantern]

and dunk on the FotM rollers anyway

[nova flax]

Correct answer

[haughty flicker]

im looking forward to it

though the purple is elite pvp so never getting it

[slim hamlet]

1st nice

2nd goofy

[haughty flicker]

im not sure how i feel about the 2nd one yet

[slim hamlet]

chestplate too chestplatey

[nova flax]

1800 aint bad. Especially with soloq rbgs i bet

[haughty flicker]

i was trying something but

[royal lantern]

2nd is way to bussy

[haughty flicker]

idk if it worked

[haughty flicker]

ye i might be able to just cheese solo rbg

and perma camp flag carriers

for 1800

with as many people that are in rbgs surely i can just beat my head against the wall and eventually get carried

[normal mist]

Since we talking tww tmog, I also cooked something using the new tier set

[royal lantern]

mate, my personal highlight is that there is a set which is a bandana with goggles on it

im gonna use that one SO HARD

[haughty flicker]

yeah that one is nice

theres also just a high rez headband by itself

[normal mist]

LFR antorus DH pieces + tww tier pieces (normal or LFR, not sure)

[haughty flicker]

there are nice hoods too that would work really well for rogue mogs but they make you bald

so i guess just play a bald character

[normal mist]

A shame really

[royal lantern]

i just have the "dont play a male human" problem

aka most headpieces just look horrible

and shoulders

[manic harness]

Belf female and human female are the master races of the game

[haughty flicker]

yeah as fem be i end up using the neck scarf from trading post on like 90% of my mogs lmao

[manic harness]

play one of those

[haughty flicker]

because the head pieces always look fucking goofy

[royal lantern]

shut up Loser

[normal mist]

He knows

[royal lantern]

go and eat vanilla ice and die because its too exotic

[spice spire]

Vulpera one trick speaking

[royal lantern]

i will speak with my mouth on yours

[spice spire]

Dog?

[normal mist]

Damn

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kiss-extasyxx-extase-gif-14555706225786948613

[haughty flicker]

my shaman is unfortunately a vulpera

i made mistakes

[royal lantern]

wdym

bis totems

[haughty flicker]

the camp racial is pretty sick too ngl

[blissful cosmos]

on live how is our single target with bleed build in keys compared to other classes casue im getting beat badly lol

[royal lantern]

and the /sleep animation

and the "standing up" from sleep animation

[blissful cosmos]

im getting dusted by ret pallys

hunters

frost dks

[royal lantern]

its prepatch

shit is funky

idk what you expect

those 3 are well known to be overtuned rn

[blissful cosmos]

alright im just making sure bro casue im starting to think maybe i suck

[haughty flicker]

nah just turn off details for a few weeks

and vibe

[blissful cosmos]

will do

[chrome rivet]

do we anything that procs ambush out of stealth like there is in outlaw or no

[slim hamlet]

Yes

Blindside

[haughty flicker]

watching growls entire team trying to keep a shaman alive on beta is pretty hilarious

some things never change

[slim hamlet]

Wait are you meaning to tell me the small defensive they get from interrupting isn't enough?

[haughty flicker]

best defensive is still death

unlucky

[fallen shore]

whats the command

to see platers

?

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[arctic tusk]

clean

[weak anvil]

Can someone check my logs

Played few bosses, new to spec swaping to it as main for TWW

[undone scroll]

Is ass in a good spot rotation wise and fun wise been hearing rogue is a shit show atm

[hoary remnant]

gameplay wise best of all 3 specs imo and yeah numbers are really good for m+ and decent (a bit behind sub) in st for raid

if you play retail sin playing beta sim is nearly the same

[undone scroll]

That’s good to know

[weak anvil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pyYGxbfg6BWKwqAd#fight=3&view=rankings&playermetric=dps, any tips/mistakes am making here?

[mild kite]

ST i am just getting energy starve so quickly on boss fights what would i be doing wrong?

[slim hamlet]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[balmy condor]

your 1 min kb you pressed shiv after casting kb and then didn't get a second shiv, probably cause you held kb for the add and the add just got obliterated by the looks of it, if you skipped rup and env before your opener dm you could've gotten the kb off on the boss, rest is fine

so aside from those lost shiv casts, nothing major

and the shiv casts are just because you're playing on a very short kill timer and there's tight timings on the fight, pretty advanced stuff to get right

wouldn't worry about it

[ionic matrix]

I messaged you in dm some juice for you to review, partner

[long island]

if i have deeper stratagem do i still finisher at 5 combo or alway wait for 6

[balmy condor]

you finish on max-2

every build should have 7 max

so you finish on 5

[long island]

oh

is there any explanation to why -2?

[balmy condor]

less overcap

[long island]

oh

makes sense

thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[long island]

one more question, after coming out of stealth in aoe, my first seconds should be focused on spamming garrote and rupture onto every enemy?

[balmy condor]

yes

[past forum]

Man, i feel blessed to have picked up sin when I did. The play pattern feels reaaaally clean. Even if hero talents never get to a spot where they feel as pog as some of the other classes, it’s gonna feel great to do ass all xpac.

[runic hinge]

[proud pelican]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

[bronze pike]

gib me more bulky armor

[bronze pike]

how did u get that border?

[slate crown]

The image outline with the stars and sparkles?

[bronze pike]

ye

[slate crown]

#1262437829150113855 message has a post with the png

[bronze pike]

oh sweet ty

[slate crown]

#1262437829150113855 message oh that's the actual post

[bronze pike]

ah i completely forgot about the contest :(

rip congrats to whoever won

[slate crown]

There'll be more

[haughty flicker]

it do be monthly

[bronze pike]

:D

[raw tusk]

anyone know how to get caustic splatter to show on plater nameplates

[runic hinge]

Can use a plater profile

[raw tusk]

ive got one i like that shows just rupture deadly and garrote so im jus trying to add it

[short flint]

search caustic spatter on wago.io. theres a couple of plater scripts etc you can get

[granite sentinel]

m+ deathstalker build goes crazy on beta, way ahead of fatebound. especially on bosses

this build is something

allows u to spam max cp envenoms with imp garrote for last 6 seconds of your kb with deathmark up. can send 3 darkest night procs in your burst window lol

[rare loom]

pretty sure top is default , how do I get rid of?

[earnest remnant]

its called personal resource display i think

[earnest remnant]

or use that and type it out

[slate crown]

[past forum]

Where can I search for the search bar?

[rare loom]

thank you

[runic hinge]

why 2 vanish

[haughty flicker]

so he can restealth

[granite sentinel]

I don't feel like er or cb gain more in keys

er could be wild if it wasn't bugged with consuming deathstalker's mark

[runic hinge]

45 er casts over 1.5ish extra vanishes

subterfuge is 2 wasted points cause imp garrote is already 6 seconds

soothing darkness is also just not good

[granite sentinel]

iron wire too op man especially in high keys when missed important cast will wipe the group. plus subterfuge gives u free max cp envenoms for your 2nd shiv.. and more sudden demise procs for sure

[runic hinge]

yeah but its like 1 extra vanish and then maybe some savings on not holding your cd, it's not like a ton of value for 4 points

[granite sentinel]

i mean the damage output kinda similar but u got more utility

[runic hinge]

also idk how subterfuge gives you max cp evenoms

[granite sentinel]

cuz of this talent

[runic hinge]

that works with imp garrote tho

same thing

6 seconds

[granite sentinel]

without subterfuge u do only 3cp garrotes

[runic hinge]

what

[granite sentinel]

yeah it's how it works man

[runic hinge]

the stealth thing is the same with or without subterfuge

[slate crown]

Without subterfuge you get 3 cp garrotes with Shrouded.

And, WITH subterfuge, you also get 3

Subterfuge does not impact your CP gain from shrouded

[runic hinge]

The full combo points is from IC and your garrote hitting multiple targets

[granite sentinel]

u get max cp garrotes when vanish into deathmark

[runic hinge]

yeah but you can get that from just having shrouded and imp garrote

[granite sentinel]

nope

[runic hinge]

it's also still just 3 combo points

LOL

I'm hitting a dummy

[granite sentinel]

test on a dummy

[runic hinge]

just did

[slate crown]

Garrote + Deathmark used to get 5 combo points with shrouded

Like, in early season 3 and before

[runic hinge]

subterfuge doesn't interact with combo points at all

[granite sentinel]

lemme make u a video

[runic hinge]

I am playing the game rn but ok

[past forum]

It works, source: trust me bro

[runic hinge]

I'm sitting in stormshield hitting a dummy with subterfuge and my garrote only gives me 3 combo points with or without DM

[haughty flicker]

[placid adder]

Are you sure you vanished into dm

[slate crown]

Are you sure you're not confusing this with Rupture and bone spike? That will refill combo points

[runic hinge]

whats the difference

if i dm vanish or vanish vm

[placid adder]

He posted his build he did not take sbs

[placid adder]

Clearly combo points

[runic hinge]

I will vanish dm and try

when i get out of this bg

[slate crown]

Don't need to

That last cast I did was garrote

only 3 cp

[granite sentinel]

@runic hinge

fuck my opener just to show my "garrote" take

[runic hinge]

yeah i didn't see you getting full combo points

unless you're making me a second video

[placid adder]

Find out on the next episode

[granite sentinel]

sure

[runic hinge]

Interesting

it doesn't work like that on live

wonder if the double shrouded bug is back

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor double shrouded combo points again?

[slate crown]

It's something else, double shrouded was specifically 5 combo points

[granite sentinel]

ye was talkin bout beta all that time

[slate crown]

This is another bug interaction

[runic hinge]

interesting interaction but idk, maybe it's good but i can't imagine spamming garrote is better than mutilate during KB just cause of less stacks

but 7 cp evenom gotta be good too

bu er also does that so it would just be the capstone proc

hmm

[slate crown]

I would just say don't get too used to it. Double shrouded bug was fixed very soon after season 3 released

[runic hinge]

yeah, they don't want us spamming garrote in dm, they fixed that real quick

who knows tho

crazy it's a bug With subterfuge tho

make that make sense

oh wait

that's in the bug list

[slate crown]

Yeah was just looking

[granite sentinel]

fun fact: u can't use your ambush/shadowstrike during the subterfuge window on beta so spamming max cp garrotes is the only best option now

but u still silence the whole big pack during your opener and secure the pull which is big

[slate crown]

Well you can do that without subterfuge

[runic hinge]

yeah, imp garrote lets you cast garrote for 6 seconds same as subterfuge

[granite sentinel]

it's not that optimal for your dps, u better just garrote twice and slam fok

[runic hinge]

opener for aoe rn is like gar gar rup gar gar rup

or gar gar rup rup gar gar if you have sbs

[granite sentinel]

mobs will die faster then u charge your full dm kb in that case xD

but technically yes

[hollow river]

that's a bug

ah they just said

i was scrolled up

[runic hinge]

I didn't realize it was listed

[hollow river]

it just got listed

like today i think

[runic hinge]

oh okay so I'm not too far behind lol

[hollow river]

same with stealth bar abilities not working with subt

[runic hinge]

doubt that makes it live where they nerfed it in s3 asap

or fixed rather

[hollow river]

yeh there's multiple bug around subt atm

[runic hinge]

we were spamming garrrote in shadow dance and they were like helllll no

[hollow river]

would def expect them fixed before it goes live

[rotund oak]

some copium memes here and there 😉

[hexed frost]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[rotund oak]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[hexed frost]

So basically that means that outside of KB/DM/AoE, i am gonna just auto-attack till there's like 1 second on envenom left, then finish with envenom?

[runic hinge]

yes

[hexed frost]

Hmmm...explains why i keep running out of energy outside CDs because i spam envenoms

[runic hinge]

it is not a huge difference in damage but sin just plays slow in general

[rotund oak]

basicly rush to get as much cps capable to envenom (5+) and then pool energy to chain envenom,whispyr made couple of vids on that

[hexed frost]

reminds me of the old arms warrior auto-attack builds

[royal lantern]

what

[daring minnow]

so i'm seeing we don't tea again anymore during the later part of kingsbane? why wouldn't we benefit from the mastery buff to cover last 6 secs of kingsbane?

or is it more worth it to use it for energy instead of bane windows at the end

[unique plume]

With 7 combo points now, at how many many CPs do we use finishers?

[shy pecan]

5+

[rotund oak]

because KB caps in less stacks than it did

lost alot of its value on those last ticks

[daring minnow]

ah i see. thanks

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[vestal cliff]

So we pool around 80% energy outside of cds but when i pop my KB and DM i spam envenom and tea if i drop low on energy?

[hoary scroll]

!macro

!macros

[grim jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[grim jay]

80 % - > chain to "0" - > repeat

[grim jay]

In CDs you kinda spam anyways because you got more than enough energy

[grim jay]

Thats the new subterfuge. Doubling stealth effects in those 6s

[runic hinge]

yeah i saw that right after

my b

[sterile jackal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

Thanks

[hoary scroll]

Are you guys using mouseover garrote and rupture Macro? Is it necessary?

[normal mist]

Not really

Depending on the pulls you might not even need to tab from your current target

But it can be useful in large pulls if you can work with your mouse to spread dots more efficiently

[hoary scroll]

But you do Not Need an modifier for that macro? I mean i can Write a macro to rupture/garrote on mouseover if there is no mouseover it applies on my current target

[normal mist]

I don't have that macro nor have I ever used mousover macros myself, so I can't be sure on that part

[fresh barn]

guys i keep practicing my rotation on dummy but sometimes my kingsbane does 3M sometimes 4.5M and my wa says MAX on both sitatuion , why there is a damage gap while i do the rotation same way same timing

[distant plinth]

Probably crits

[bitter trout]

[fresh barn]

but 1.5mil damage diff , same enovom uptime and everything

[bitter trout]

@vestal wren can you ban this guy

[vestal wren]

think somone else was faster

[shrewd night]

I was too fast

[bitter trout]

Koffing was

Koffing copied his whatsapp number and instadeleted him

wants to get all that extra money for himself

[shrewd night]

Boutta be rich

[bitter trout]

Wanna share some

[tawny junco]

country roads take me home

[bitter trout]

[balmy condor]

correct, welcome to assassination

turns out envenom uptime is a terrible metric for kingsbane damage

cause kingsbane is still rng as hell

[fresh barn]

i do the rotation exactly same way sometimes my wa says MAX sometimes it dosent how do i find out what im doing wrong or i shouldnt trust this wa 100%

[balmy condor]

you're not doing anything wrong

that's just how kingsbane works

sometimes you apply a ton of poisons

sometimes you don't

sometimes you have wafting proc during kinsbane

sometimes you don't

sometimes kingsbane crits

sometimes you don't

[royal lantern]

all they changed with TWW was making the KB cap reachable better without Pi

[fresh barn]

what a fun spec

[royal lantern]

everything else is the same

[fresh barn]

is sin topping damages between 3 rogue specs or is it subtelty?

[balmy condor]

think sin is a bit better in prepatch

[royal lantern]

its prepatch lol

[balmy condor]

but prepatch balance is insanely wonky

[midnight mist]

how can sin be rng it doesnt have roll the bones im confused

[balmy condor]

true

my bad

[royal lantern]

real and reddit pilled

rtb = giga rng

[balmy condor]

only rng mechanic is the one that's literally a dice roll

everything else isn't rng

[bitter trout]

Naa coin as well

[midnight mist]

ye ok thats what i tought aswell, ty for confirming whisp

[bitter trout]

apart from that everything is gaurenteed

[balmy condor]

THEY ADDED A COIN???????????

[bitter trout]

[devout mist]

flip the pepe coin

[bitter trout]

Fatebound sucks for outlaw atm we just love the RNG side of it

[grim jay]

Kinda sad only sin has to deal with each of the 3

Variance crit and coin

[bitter trout]

Play outlaw

RTB

get BT

re-spec

[grim jay]

Outlaw dead

[royal lantern]

found the #1 problem

[grim jay]

Id pin my hands to the wall before I play outlaw if its not atleast 50% stronger

[devout mist]

ace procs

[balmy condor]

whats outlaw rng like with fatebound

[grim jay]

Idk, outlaw would proc severe depression first

[balmy condor]

for assa it's around 15% for 95%

like 4% stddev

[grim jay]

How high is it with deathboi? Slightly lower?

[balmy condor]

deathstalker is 11% for 95%, 2.8% sttdev

[brave stump]

sometimes kingsbane gets parried

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[brave stump]

true

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[devout mist]

trickster is your answer

[balmy condor]

rogue not being behind the boss and complaining about parry

[devout mist]

never getting parried again

[balmy condor]

massive skill issue

[devout mist]

u might have to change spec tho

[grim jay]

Trickster parries your fun

[brave stump]

imagine not stacking on tank and dodging every frontal last milisecond

[rotund oak]

step=>kb

[brave stump]

couldnt be me

[devout mist]

in S2 the rashok soak stacks

[grim jay]

tank turns boss around

[devout mist]

it was a misserable life

[balmy condor]

this is why I macro step,cloak,evasion into my deathmark for MAXIMUM damage

[rotund oak]

it doesnt matter,step always land in the back fam

[brave stump]

BIG DMG MACRO

[rotund oak]

[bitter trout]

WOAH THIS ISN'T IN THE WOWHEAD GUIDE

What else are you hiding from us

[grim jay]

Yeah but the back aint the back anymore if the tank turns

[bitter trout]

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

yeah secret tip for ya

don't tell anyone

[brave stump]

guide writer always keeping the good sauce hidden

[bitter trout]

[rotund oak]

well thats a speed issue frankly,be faster 😄

[grim jay]

He only told kush about the deathboi m+ supremacy aswell

He wants us to drag down the numbers

[balmy condor]

yeah

I've been saying subterfuge is worthless

but what I haven't been saying is that it's doubling shrouded and imp gar

[grim jay]

As intended

[balmy condor]

I'm actually hiding the secret tech

of abusing obvious bugs

[willow rapids]

No DM no KB is the secret top talent build

[bitter trout]

ER bug level of bug

?

[rotund oak]

what does bug level mean

are there levels in bugs

[bitter trout]

Well some bugs are fuckin useless

don't do anything

Some fuck you

[balmy condor]

I mean it's completely busted

[bitter trout]

some benefit you

[rotund oak]

oh u mean in terms of actual importance

[bitter trout]

yeyeeyeeyeyyeyeyyee

[rotund oak]

cool cool

[balmy condor]

the subterfuge bug basically turns imp gar from a 50% increase to stealth garrotes

into a 125% increase

[limber lion]

Very cool

Finally bleeda doing dam

[bitter trout]

[limber lion]

We're back to the glory days of BFA boys

[bitter trout]

CT is doing unethical damage atm on beta

[limber lion]

The true Shrouded Suffocation

[balmy condor]

I think I could actually estimate the impact of the bug with some overrides

lemme see

[rotund oak]

i like these numbers

[bitter trout]

Where are the beneficial outlaw bugs

[grim jay]

The subter Bug is basically missing no and your average bug is duplicating pokeballs

[limber lion]

Ree

[rotund oak]

😅

ild like the akaari soul sub bug

that hit like 4 times

it was so fun back in beta

some wild dmg

[midnight mist]

the ambush one

its pinned

noob

[bitter trout]

buddy I ain't playing HO

I don't want brainrot

[grim jay]

The issue is OL then

Not HO

[bitter trout]

naa trust me it's HO issue, 1 button spam

[midnight mist]

wiat

is that subt bug real

[bitter trout]

I thought he was joking at first

but seems real

[midnight mist]

is that why sin looks good on beta or is that bug irrelevant

mister whisperer

[balmy condor]

big bug

[midnight mist]

WTF

[bitter trout]

What's the % gains

[midnight mist]

BIG !

[balmy condor]

also the only reason you'd ever play double vanish

[balmy condor]

checking

[hoary remnant]

I asked you that yesterday you still said its bad

[balmy condor]

it is bad

[limber lion]

It's a bug

They fix it and it's dead again

[midnight mist]

playing worse builds to bug abuse on beta is a bit weird

[limber lion]

Deathstalker was also bad because it reduced our Envenom damage on top of everything else

[midnight mist]

[limber lion]

they fixed it

now it's good

that's how things work

🕺

[balmy condor]

welcome to assassination m+ buddy

[slow pulsar]

ya thats pretty wacky

[balmy condor]

we're pretty mentally ill around here

[royal lantern]

excuse me? the voices told me im 100% normal??

[bitter trout]

And is outlaws get abused

[balmy condor]

3.5%

[bitter trout]

Wow that’s like

Outlaw tierset

X3

[balmy condor]

yeah that's like assa tier set

x2

[bitter trout]

Is it a big enough of a bug

For you to run it

[royal lantern]

no no no no, ONLY outlaw has bad things, dont you understand that????

[balmy condor]

funny enough, no

double vanish is -5%

[bitter trout]

Ye didn’t think so RIP

[bitter trout]

Your outlaw vendetta is wild

[limber lion]

I don't care, I only play it for utility anyways not for dps

[balmy condor]

just ignore him he goes away eventually

[bitter trout]

[balmy condor]

it's like avoiding eye contact on the subway

[bitter trout]

In england

[balmy condor]

oh sorry

on the tube*

[bitter trout]

no one makes eye contact especially on the underground

[bitter trout]

that's better

[royal lantern]

not wild enough

[bitter trout]

In london if you make eye contact you get shanked

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

wish that was me fr

[royal lantern]

dont need eye contact for that

[bitter trout]

true

[royal lantern]

existing is enough for the good old london shank

[bitter trout]

All the roadmen spec into assassination

Don't even garrote just ambush

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/tenenbaum-stab-shank-royal-gif-11985593

[royal lantern]

deathstalker is the british spec confirmed????

[bitter trout]

Roadman spec

[flint siren]

Lowkey plague damage theme = acid attacks
It tracks

[glacial stump]

We're not all knife wielding roadmen, promise

[royal lantern]

im not letting my guard down

[keen mantle]

Whispyr question

If a perfect world exists where all bugs get fixed

Do we actually gain or lose dam