assassination

[rotund oak]

yeah rarely i do

[balmy condor]

Okay

So the talent is doing something then

Yeah but m+ full dent players man

Actual brain damage

Rather transfer a drop of threat

[hollow river]

yeah idk Blind being a 30% DR on a target is pretty dope

[balmy condor]

Than provide something of value

[hollow river]

that's like 30% DR on your entire team

[balmy condor]

I don’t think people even realize how shit the threat transfer is on tricks

[rotund oak]

99% of the cases u dont sap anything,im honestly trying to think a pull that we would sap and use blackjack

[balmy condor]

???? It works with blind bro

[royal lantern]

mate

[hollow river]

this is where my name comes from

[royal lantern]

blind

[haughty flicker]

blackjack is on blind brother

lmao

[balmy condor]

Why are you talking about sap and cheap shot

[royal lantern]

i think we found the problem

[rotund oak]

ah nvm me

stupid me

yup

[royal lantern]

happens

[slim hamlet]

It's me, I am sorry

[grand trail]

yeah i remember blidning on tindral

it was so pog tech that i used it like twice

and nobody cared

[rotund oak]

yy its just my brain getting old sry 😅

[slim hamlet]

Imagine doing less dmg to blind

couldn't be me

[haughty flicker]

mfw i press a button and my guild doesnt immediately drop everything to throw a party

[royal lantern]

you see, the insane 2 garrote ticks from tricks solve all tank gathering and threat problems

[slim hamlet]

^

[balmy condor]

Tanks sneeze and generate like 4x the threat than the rogue transfers from tricks over its entire duration

But holy poggers

[royal lantern]

based

like, bruh

[balmy condor]

I get to press garrote on mobs that aren’t gathered

[royal lantern]

its 2 ticks where all treants did 30% less dmg

[balmy condor]

And then bitch that carnage doesn’t work

[royal lantern]

thats a big dmg reduction for the raid in that moment lol

[balmy condor]

M+ is an illness

[slim hamlet]

This is pretty poggers tho

[royal lantern]

thats more then frking PW:shield

and people here say they did it twice and then not again cus "Nobody noticed"

i tell that our healers next time

"dont use your DR cd here, nobody noticed that"

[balmy condor]

Blackjack was the strongest raid cooldown for treeants on tindral

And it’s not close

[royal lantern]

yes

like bruh, its frking 30%

[wide ferry]

Big aoe pulls after 2-3 garrotes, we rupture, fok, rupture, then ER, snd right? Nothings really changed besides er from our opener?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[wide ferry]

Ty ty

[hollow river]

it's also good in pvp

[grand trail]

blind so insane on tindral that not even echo were using it on first kill 😄

[haughty flicker]

mfw techs are discovered after rwf

[balmy condor]

Echo rogues were also pressing dance halfway through kingsbane

So

[slim hamlet]

[grand trail]

still won tho

[balmy condor]

Okay?

[normal mist]

They could have won faster

[balmy condor]

What’s your point lmao

[slim hamlet]

I do that to this day because I saw them do it

[haughty flicker]

they won so they're right

duh

[slim hamlet]

True

[balmy condor]

Yes ofc

[slim hamlet]

Like how high IO = true

[hollow river]

improvements always come after firsts

[slim hamlet]

That's why I always lose

fr

[balmy condor]

Being rank 1 has nothing to do with insanely high time investment

It’s pure skill

Yes yes

Pure knowledge and skill check

[slim hamlet]

[brave gyro]

[balmy condor]

Classic sappucino though, he never misses an opportunity to choke on echo cock

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

[royal lantern]

so you are telling us rn that a free Power Word: Barrier in 1 GCD that costs the rogue absolutely NOTHING to cast on every set of treants is not worth it because......they didnt do it in wfr, where they did plenty of missplays?

https://tenor.com/view/weird-stare-bruh-wat-what-gif-5160413390783376961

[slim hamlet]

They didn't do any missplays tho?

You literally can't missplay if you win

[royal lantern]

class/spec wise? they did plenty lol

[haughty flicker]

i read that without seeing the name first

and thought it was serious

[slim hamlet]

No

[grand trail]

the treants were so overstacked with healer cds that hp wasnt moving aynway

[slim hamlet]

If you won you played perfectly every single pull on every boss >:(

[royal lantern]

tru

[dull cloak]

winning is all that matters

[slim hamlet]

Oxi and Cev are the only real winners

[balmy condor]

Lance Armstrong was a winner

[rotund oak]

this watermelon is a winner

[royal lantern]

watermelon is the goat

[rotund oak]

ate so much im rdy to xplode

now its time for beta keys

[slim hamlet]

despair

[rotund oak]

need to take notes where deathstalker funnel might be better than coinflippin

[royal lantern]

im busy making the most stupid build in Elden Ring that somehow work anyway

[normal mist]

If you win, it means it is R1 worth it

[shy pecan]

You play other games? 😮

[rotund oak]

habibi is a cook bro

[royal lantern]

WoW rn is "log into the game on thursday for 1 1/2 raid clears, leave for the next 6 days"

[north granite]

I used blackjack on tindrql prog

[normal mist]

Wait you still raid?

[royal lantern]

ofc?

[normal mist]

EW

[normal mist]

BUT DO YOU PLAY IN ECHO?

smh

[lean plover]

between cds on aoe, do we try to maintain rapture on some targets? when vanish is on cd

[haughty flicker]

[royal lantern]

need to play the game, otherwhise the kb->garrote muscle memory never goes away

[north granite]

@normal mist yea

[normal mist]

i... i know, it was a joke Kush xD

[north granite]

It wasnt even that good though but it was okay

Free atleast

[normal mist]

The joke or blackjack?

[north granite]

Blackjack

[normal mist]

🤝

[royal lantern]

free dr, so who cares

press button, people hp go down slightly less, happy happy

[normal mist]

Sounds like an happy time

[haughty flicker]

i wish i knew what those were like

[normal mist]

I can tell you

Open your windows at home, let the light come in, put shrek 1 movie on the TV and just vibe while you play

[royal lantern]

or look at funny cat videos

[north granite]

Dogs >>>

[shy pecan]

[potent raven]

lol ye

[royal lantern]

yeha

but cats have more funny videos

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/blanket-cat-funny-gif-332469826982703541

[potent raven]

https://tenor.com/view/awake-im-awake-im-up-waking-up-just-waking-up-gif-17567905378229855665

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fight-gif-22830014

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1267501203810680832/prisoncat.mp4?ex=66aef2bc&is=66ada13c&hm=a43ab37326fb8934367a9c6f611bfaf7de5fdddb9331d43048e182d3f5a8ffbf&

[north granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-broccoli-dog-eating-broccoli-gif-5108538915117067580

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-gorilla-gorilla-eat-monkey-eat-gif-27497550

[radiant saffron]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

btw guys

tell me 1 last alt too level while remix is still up

[grim jay]

what did you level so far

[balmy condor]

Cats yep

[grim jay]

(id recommend not leveling tho)

[grand trail]

i have this free boots and no idea what to use it for

[woeful meteor]

another rogue

[grim jay]

these boots are made for walking

[grand trail]

true

[royal lantern]

warrior and paladin

[grand trail]

propably this eathen when it unlocks

[royal lantern]

and evoker

[grim jay]

DK

or monk

[north granite]

Cats always gank me

[slim hamlet]

rogue

[north granite]

Fkn sharp ass claws

[normal mist]

turn off warmode

problem solved

[slim hamlet]

I aint turning off warmode and the 10% increase no matter how much time I waste getting ganked

Too proud

[grand trail]

is it even issue when you play like on like horde realm as horde and vice versa

[balmy condor]

What do we think the overlap is between PvPers with warmode and angry boomers that protested buying the early access

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure you don't only see your own realm

[grand trail]

ah i have no idea how it works

[slim hamlet]

I am one of the angry boomers besides not being a boomer

[royal lantern]

people complaining about the early access are busy farming storm essences rn

[balmy condor]

I’m tempted to turn on warmode for the exp just to see how empty it is

I can’t imagine there’s going to be many

[slim hamlet]

I only ever had a problem with warmode in shadowlands

[royal lantern]

warmode is either fully empty, or 1 big gank group

no inbettwen

[normal mist]

!stealth

whats the stealth break command?

[balmy condor]

So like a regular PvP server then

[slate crown]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[normal mist]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[grand trail]

whats benefit of Wm beside pvp enable

[royal lantern]

like, you see nobody or have 3 people in low level zones ganking people 9 level under themself

[balmy condor]

Gives an exp buff

[normal mist]

Thanks, i asked as i tried the command too LOL

[grand trail]

so i guees everyone will be on warmode during leveling

[balmy condor]

Not really no

[normal mist]

probably the opposite

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[normal mist]

so people can actually... level

[grand trail]

i will have to see than but im leveling more toons

[royal lantern]

the 10% more exp is because some boomers will camp you

[balmy condor]

If you end up in a bad shard for warmode you lose hella time and level slower

[grand trail]

or i willc amp them

who knows

[normal mist]

both ways a waste of time

[mystic zephyr]

Any kind of recommendation on what Hero Talent Tree will be best for leveling?

[normal mist]

if the objective is leveling

[grand trail]

its like you are rogue you can always adjust

[normal mist]

Probably fatebound and you don't even think about it existing

[royal lantern]

i mean, both are not really doing anything during leveling/open world stuff

cus both trees need you fighting for more then 3 seconds

[grand trail]

i like that double step/hook node fore leveling

[shy pecan]

What is with people cross-posting on like three different channels?

[hollow river]

lies and slander

[normal mist]

they don't understand how communication works

[shy pecan]

Smh my head

[haughty flicker]

wait

they changed the dalaran hearthstone animation

what a time to be alive

[normal mist]

Also, i've not had a HS CD for a while now

[maiden sierra]

anyone got any beta sims for each rogue spec? im curious where each spec stands

[normal mist]

All of them stand... ready for tuning! 😛

It seems that assassination and outlaw are doing okayish after some buffs, therefore sub doesnt look as good

Sims wont matter because there can be a new build tomorrow and GG sims have to be remade

[maiden sierra]

yeah but raid is looking mighty cleave heavy, so sub might be still better imo

[normal mist]

I'll just play whatever i enjoy the most, regardless of whatever the fights look like

Which will be assassination

[maiden sierra]

true dat, im just trying to mentally prepare myself for another season of having to play sub

[royal lantern]

my brother in christ, we are literally almost 2 months away from the raid

and you sweat over tuning

when they just slowly starting with the actual tuning lol

[maiden sierra]

oh im not sweating at all

i just wanted a little data on how the tuning is looking currently

[normal mist]

Will be hard to give data if they keep buffing us

[maiden sierra]

fair is fair

[shy pecan]

Wouldn’t even matter now since that can all change in September

[normal mist]

we just keep growing

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[royal lantern]

and nothing will make me play sub anyway when dust exists

[slim hamlet]

Dust the only thing making me have any interest in that spec

[haughty flicker]

why play rogue when i can play survival

(also bm might kind of be a little fun idk dont hurt me)

[slim hamlet]

Why play survival when you can just not play wow

[haughty flicker]

im only playing atm for transmog

the true endgame

[royal lantern]

why play wow when you can be mentally stable

[slim hamlet]

^

[haughty flicker]

thats not possible either way

unfortunate

[brazen zodiac]

here ! have another bite : D

[royal lantern]

[haughty flicker]

[silk bane]

Stealthi hast sent me enough screenshots of just lost ark raids to know tuning in that game is a meme.

[shy pecan]

Apparently the guy did it across all the class discords jfc

[normal mist]

Material for his next youtube video

the usual

[shy pecan]

[normal mist]

i have to share something with y'all, im really happy. Like 40 mins ago i ordered a power supply for my pc since i was having power surges left and right

i ALREADY received an email saying i can go pick it up

LOL

So here i go

[vestal wren]

tuning in most arpgs can be a lot more whack just because of how the baseline gameplay loop works

[vestal wren]

one way to get banned form discords

[silk bane]

What happened what did I miss I just woke up :C

[shy pecan]

Some guy asking what the best hero talent leveling build is in each class discord spec channel

[silk bane]

Oh lmfao

[austere sorrel]

Is he trying to build the next wowhead site?

[vestal wren]

he likely wants to put a sheet together

and get some fame points

[normal mist]

It would be the video number 6 of his career

[vestal wren]

oh lol, he stated that

[cursive knoll]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[normal mist]

That's quite a prediction

[austere sorrel]

Nostradamus level

[subtle kiln]

@normal mist what hero talents will be best for transmog?

[austere sorrel]

Is this for your sheet??

[subtle kiln]

Yes

and my notes in my phone.

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-animated-lazy-sleepy-cute-gif-17741860

[subtle kiln]

Redundancy plan. Don’t trust google drive.

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-brooklyn-nine-nine-b99-terry-crews-terry-jeffords-gif-13703698

[normal mist]

Deathstalker sounds cool but... Fatebound sounds cooler

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-wth-confused-huh-what-gif-17289999

I’m worried fuu is writing a book.

Or fell asleep

[normal mist]

He's expanding his mind

And we'll be grateful for it

[vestal wren]

hero talents, or how to not use deathstalker because deathstalkers mark sucks ass in solo content

[vestal wren]

discord might be stuck in the "writing" status if i tab out of discord

[subtle kiln]

I was kinda hoping the cat was writing us a note

[shy pecan]

Maybe Nova will make an appearance on disc

[severe sparrow]

If anyone wants to make a sheet to gain fame points, someone needs to bring back that book of shadows or w/e that said what could be evasioned/cloaked/feinted

[vestal wren]

!atro

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison in Raid: link

[vestal wren]

^ its not the same thing, but its a good information piece still

[radiant saffron]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[balmy condor]

insane amount of work

[silk bane]

I could make that once expac is live and the enemy ability cd timer WA is finalized

[limber lion]

Going through every raid boss and every dungeon over was not worth it. Little payoff for so much work

Recommending the usual clever cloak usage in raid is generally enough, no need to know whether feint or evasion works on which boss and which mechanic

Kinda redundant

[spice surge]

And sometimes its hard to test because its very time sensetive, like the first second of cloak or different vanish timings

[silk bane]

Hmm that’s true, on second thought, not gonna bother lmfao just take elusiveness and feint man

Half the shit looks like it’s targeted st abilities anyways

[narrow basalt]

Is the bleed build better than hybrid at +9-10 keys overall?

[limber lion]

Depends a bit on the comp, tank and route, but generally probably yeah a safer pick

[narrow basalt]

I see, ty for answer. Been playing hybrid till now. but Imma see how bleed is

[earnest remnant]

[severe sparrow]

yeah but insane amount of fame points then if the man is looking for work, put him to work

but actually yeah i forgot how cancer that'd be to figure out in dunjos

[balmy condor]

I mean the whole reason we stopped doing it is because we couldn't find anyone for the work

was supposed to be community-submission based

and then no one submitted

but everyone wanted the answers

[severe sparrow]

i bet my healers would have fun babysitting me as i potentially facetank mechanics, idk

[limber lion]

We did it the first time around with just the raid, but once we added mythic+ to it it was just way too much

And 95% of it was just useless information which didn't have any real use

[hexed matrix]

I don't even know what that is. Book of shadows... googling...?

[spice surge]

A spreadsheet showing what you can feint/cloak/evasion/vanish

[hexed matrix]

Ahhh. And yeah google did not work 😉

[severe sparrow]

i just eat shit in keys anyway

[solar eagle]

Sooo guys seeing that sin is apparently back on track I intend to purely abandon my outlaw spec (which I dont like anyways and play badly) to focus on assassination for both raid and M+

hoping AoE will still be decent

Im confident for raids, but M+ i dont know

[normal mist]

No one does really

[solar eagle]

praying

[balmy condor]

Only thing I can say for sure is hope you like caustic spatter and envenom

[solar eagle]

caustic spatter from legion legendary ?

[runic hinge]

The talent

[pliant remnant]

Caustic Spatter from your talent tree

[runic hinge]

On a choice node with internal bleeding

[solar eagle]

yes the one they ripped off kingslayer

[balmy condor]

What

[solar eagle]

whatever weapon assassination had in legion

[runic hinge]

Kingsbane

[solar eagle]

yes

[runic hinge]

Not quite

[spice surge]

Kingsbane is another spell

[balmy condor]

Not even remotely

[spice surge]

Caustic spatter is a completely different spell and did not exist in any form in legion

[balmy condor]

It didn’t exist at all until 10.2

[solar eagle]

ahh no I confuse with the poison muck we had with envenom

[normal mist]

thats poison bomb

rng

[balmy condor]

We also still have that

[solar eagle]

Whats the deal with caustic spatter tho ?

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[normal mist]

on demand cleave

[solar eagle]

Wel why shouldnt I like it

[balmy condor]

Idk

I like it

[austere sorrel]

I like it

[solar eagle]

At that point nothing can be worse than OL gameplay to me

[balmy condor]

It’s kinda like blade flurry

Do you think that sucks

[solar eagle]

I read it, yeah definitely AoE oriented

since sin had little AoE

i have hope for sin to be M+ meta in TWW

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t hold my breath

[runic hinge]

Doubtful but maybe

[balmy condor]

We have no clue what m+ meta is gonna be and rogue doesn’t bring anything particularly unique

[runic hinge]

Surely a melee meta with resto shaman having WF

[solar eagle]

i think from that point I'll just cba and stick with it even in high end keys, doesnt matter what everyone else says

[royal lantern]

why should it be

like, what makes you think that...?

[runic hinge]

I’ll link the pic again

[balmy condor]

It’s doing damage atm

It’s not entirely impossible

[solar eagle]

Because it should be

[balmy condor]

But it’s just so far out from the season

[fleet pagoda]

deathstalker also has some giga defensive stuff

[spice surge]

Skyfury will save us

[fleet pagoda]

the 20% magic DR on evasion would be stronk in pushing .io

[royal lantern]

i just noticed

holy shit

brb making a shaman called Skyfurry

[runic hinge]

It’s dathea

[royal lantern]

[spice surge]

Resto shaman, prot warrior, ww monk, havoc + rogue

Full simp and full zug

[royal lantern]

serious question, why is her boss modle not used for the Shaman ascenion btw

Like, the shaman inside a updated elemental modle, and not the Cata THING they have for almost 15years now lol

[runic hinge]

Sounds good to me

[runic hinge]

Blizzard hates shamans

[balmy condor]

But yeh idk

Right now it’s looking very much like another caustic spatter season

[solar eagle]

I thin sin should be on par with OL for a change

[balmy condor]

They are?

[solar eagle]

You know

throughout the expansion

[balmy condor]

Season 3 and season 4 assa has arguably been better in m+

[solar eagle]

i dont trust prepatches

[balmy condor]

Rework in season 3 did a lot of good

[hexed matrix]

I agree that unless sin pumps stupid damage there's no reason you'd ever take one if you're a meta slave

But fuck the meta

[spice surge]

Theres no reason to take anything besides the thing that pumps stupid damage

Besides myabe aug

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Priest probably always played as well

[hexed matrix]

I mean. That's not true. You do need BRs and shit.

[balmy condor]

Just for health%

[spice surge]

Na

[hexed matrix]

But I guess tank and heals cover most utility you need

[solar eagle]

well maybe because the gameplay is dogshit, why would you foce yourself playing some class you dont like ?

[runic hinge]

Just don’t die?

[balmy condor]

Have you seen m+ pushers?

[hexed matrix]

Lol riiiiight.

[earnest remnant]

alot of people's "fun" is doing top dmg

[balmy condor]

They play m+ for like 10 hours straight, every day, all season long

Fun is not in their vocab

[solar eagle]

Im not gonna play s++ class because its meta if i dont like the gameplay

[spice surge]

Then dont

[balmy condor]

I mean yes

[pliant remnant]

[balmy condor]

You won’t

[fleet pagoda]

does it count as playing m+ if most of that is spent trying to get an invite

[pliant remnant]

bait used to be believable

[hexed matrix]

I'm just glad tuning looks like it'll be OK, ish. That's perfect. It's a great place to be.

Not useless and not OP.

[earnest remnant]

we took the easy way out of awakened season

sub bad = i dont play

[solar eagle]

more than enough to push high end keys

[hexed matrix]

Totally.

[spice surge]

Ye instead of your mental suicide in S3 where you went outlaw

[earnest remnant]

bro

you have no idea

i was ruined for like 3 months after it

so now im just taking a break from wow

until TWW

[runic hinge]

The duck retired cause he went outlaw

[solar eagle]

besides afaik rogue is quite invited in pugs

[shy pecan]

Elmo just speaking the truth

[earnest remnant]

i barely raid log atm

[spice surge]

Season 1 is probably gonna have tons of balancing again just like it did in dragonflight so its probably gonna be a good one

Despite the complaints ive heard about the dungeons

[earnest remnant]

just a question about who the other 2 dps spots for m+ is gonna b

[rotund oak]

mage

and

mage

lul

[hexed matrix]

Lol

[rotund oak]

mage and shaman most likely

[hexed matrix]

Shaman looks a little bussin

[earnest remnant]

shaman dies to everything

so very likely not

[rotund oak]

[earnest remnant]

unless stuff like prot pala is good

[rotund oak]

dk

then

[solar eagle]

I think the least safe spec is gonna be ret

[shy pecan]

Warlock

[solar eagle]

Ret AoE will be top 3 I think

but its ST..

[haughty flicker]

keep going we've almost named every class

[hexed matrix]

Isnt unholy doing well? Lock? I think there are plenty of options

[spice surge]

DKs are good, they have aoe ams nowadays

[rotund oak]

UHDK does 2-3 times more ST and aoe

[solar eagle]

than ret ? you sure

[spice surge]

Obviously need a resto shaman for skyfury though stealthi

[rotund oak]

very much so

frost pumps alot of aoe as well

but if it wasnt for the recent ST buffs idk

questionable

so dk in general is a candidate

fury also good

[solar eagle]

Waow

as afr as I remember DK was a decline simulator in pugs m+

[balmy condor]

No that’s us

[rotund oak]

[solar eagle]

always have been invited as a rogue

[rotund oak]

dks where top dps

wdym

[solar eagle]

In raids yes but never seen many dks getting invites in M+

[rotund oak]

u even in beta bro

[hexed matrix]

You are blessed if you're always invited

[solar eagle]

no tlaked about DF

[rotund oak]

[solar eagle]

Thats why I used past

[solar eagle]

Like augvoker ?

those guys stole devoker spot

[earnest remnant]

i always get invited as a rogue as well ( i dont pug keys)

[balmy condor]

Yeh same

[rotund oak]

u r a raccoon though

eveyrone invites raccoons

[balmy condor]

In the rare case that I pug I try to join a group with a rogue in hopes they recognize me and I get an invite (they don’t, and I don’t get invited)

[haughty flicker]

i think maybe they did recognize you

[hearty reef]

Premadebragging

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Hey it’s worth a shot ya know

[earnest remnant]

im very happy that nobody has recognized me

[keen mantle]

Zoldyck Fatal gonna feel cracked , ONE DAY

[spice surge]

Is whispyrs HIYA a keybrick assassin opener in the party chat

[balmy condor]

As in fatal intent?

[rotund oak]

as in fateful ending?

or maybe fatality

mortal kombat etc

[keen mantle]

is fatal intent intended to intendededly do 0 intended damage

4sure

[balmy condor]

No, its intended to do like 3%

[rotund oak]

😂

[balmy condor]

I’m just wondering where the pogging is coming from

[keen mantle]

Btw today I SWEAR like I SWEAR i discovered 1 extra bug that wasnt existing

[balmy condor]

Do you know buffs I don’t

[keen mantle]

but i cant remember what was it

im too cooked

no but it would feel cool to play fatal and zoldyck

wouldnt it?

[balmy condor]

Idk it’s a blip of entirely passive damage

I’m hiding it from my plater

So

[solar eagle]

I think warr struggles much more to be invited

[spice surge]

Fatal+sudden demise about to go boom

[balmy condor]

I’m never gonna notice unless I open details

[austere sorrel]

What do you show on your plater? Garrote, rupture, CT?

[balmy condor]

Sudden demise doesn’t look great

[spice surge]

I know

But in theory

[balmy condor]

No ct

[spice surge]

Surely they buff the 4p

[haughty flicker]

surely

[shy pecan]

SURELY

[slate crown]

So I take it the Shiv and Mastery interactions aren't enough to aim for shiv being up during fatal pop on bosses?

[spice surge]

Well we dont know, since fatal does 0 dmg right now

Hard to know how much its supposed to do

[slate crown]

Oh, cool

yeah fair enough

didn't know it was doing 0

[spice surge]

Not 0 as in "low damage"

But literally zero

[balmy condor]

If it was doing the damage it did before

It’s still a bit away

Based on some napkin math

But the whole spell is coded like a monstrosity

So we have no clue what it’s supposed to do or be

[solar eagle]

How is sin doing in open world ?

I always played sub for questing

[balmy condor]

Idk if that’s really a metric anyone has data on

[solar eagle]

Not a metric

[slate crown]

I have feelings on it

[solar eagle]

just a feeling

[balmy condor]

It’s a rogue I guess so about the same as sub?

[slate crown]

I prefer sin much more than sub for open world because sub does basically no damage outside of cooldowns, and cooldowns are ridiculously overkill during cooldowns for open world

[balmy condor]

Was okay in delves

[slate crown]

But sin you can just vibe

and use cds if you want but if you don't you're still vibing

[solar eagle]

and pumping hard in delves, ok noted

[balmy condor]

Not in any way

Still defensive issues

[potent raven]

outlaw bis for open world

yep

[slate crown]

Yeah but then you're playing outlaw

seems like a loss to me

[potent raven]

doesnt vanishing reset the mobs tho

iirc it used to do that

[slate crown]

Yes

But if you hit fast enough you can keep them in combat

[solar eagle]

Ret pumping in delves bcuz op defensives

but hey i dont think delves is really high end pve

[balmy condor]

Definitely feels like it atm lmao

Shit is rough

[solar eagle]

I think delves is aimed to complete M+ but not a substitute like mythic raiding

depends if the vault rewards are a shigh

if you can cap your gear with delves then well

[balmy condor]

Hero track vault

[slate crown]

Farmable rewards from delves are not as good as M+, if delves are going to be "required" for anyone, it's only in the first couple weeks then it'll just get blown past and ignored if you're doing mythic raiding

Unless there are specific items like trinkets that delves offer (like the Sirum trinket, but that's giga nerfed now so no longer a chase item most likely)

[balmy condor]

Yes

[solar eagle]

Idk I mean I have PTSD with rogue from torghast

so I dont feel like doing that much

especially if there are defensives issues

[balmy condor]

Feels like atm brann sucks shit

Tanks are doing okay I think

But holy hell as a dps you get cranked and as a healer you don’t have dps

[solar eagle]

Then ret

Ret is never getting cranked

[thorn fjord]

We run dtb instead of bleed build on lower keys?

[solar eagle]

or never do delves solo, only with peeps

[thorn fjord]

I never keep track and I’m bored lol

[balmy condor]

Sudden demise is made for low keys

So

[royal lantern]

delves are solo content for the casual playerbase, they are not supposed to be in contest with m+ or raiding

like, the highest difficulty delves cap at heroic rewards

[thorn fjord]

Then I’ve got it backwards

[runic hinge]

Giga nerfed?

[thorn fjord]

Gonna run some sin keys at work out of boredom

[solar eagle]

Yeha but I dont thnk people are looking for a dark souls ripoff with delves

especially if its torghast 2.0 with the rng and unbalances between classes

[balmy condor]

And the highest difficulty delves are way harder than mage tower was

[solar eagle]

yeah see

absolut bs

There has to be an incentive Imo

[balmy condor]

I walked in on a 7 and couldn’t pull more than 2 at a time

2 was rough

[raven egret]

Bran will have to step up

[balmy condor]

If I accidentally pulled a third it was wipe

[raven egret]

Pull his damn weight

[balmy condor]

I actually had to like sap and solo pull stuff for 45 minutes

[royal lantern]

eh, thats the ussual tuning shit i gues

where it takes 3 weeks of life server until it gets nerfed waaaay down

[solar eagle]

Midnight hype Midnight hype

[royal lantern]

cus they often dont listen to beta difficulty concerns it seems lol

[willow rapids]

Surely brann will be a lot better after today's delve blue post

I have no doubts!

Bran best healer

[balmy condor]

Brann was doing 1/6th of my leech as a healer

Idk if you have to like level him a billion times

Think my brann is 8 or 9

But he’s giga garbo

[slate crown]

While I understand this sucks and generally people won't want this, I want this, Or at least I want the idea of this, I haven't really played them beyond the very basic.

[haughty flicker]

as long as its not a weekly chore and instead something i can choose to do because i want to, i would want that

i hope the 13th delve is hard as fuck

[willow rapids]

That I don't get. You already got dedicated and/or skilled people telling you stuff needs tuning and they somehow expect the general pop to respond better to that situation than people actually willing to test

[balmy condor]

I do too, but the difficulty and necessity to sap is because you get auto’d for 35% of your health, not because you get to outplay a 1v1

[slate crown]

Yeah this for sure, I just have much less ability to commit to M+ timers and raid times

[balmy condor]

And that’s fucking miserable

[slate crown]

So just something I can do whenever and pause whenever while still being difficult, even if rewards are capped, are good for me personally

[slate crown]

Yeah that amount of auto damage is uh... not what I expected

[balmy condor]

If it were mechanics that made it hard that’s fine

[slate crown]

I'm doing ironman again right now and I'm sapping shit while leveling and having to blind extra mobs and shit

[balmy condor]

But like you have a pack of casters that are linked

And they channel into you

You blind

They cast

You’re dead

[normal mist]

LoS

[balmy condor]

Yeah and then they turn the corner and spam channel you

Then what

[shy pecan]

Then go back around the corner

[normal mist]

you keep running LoS

[slate crown]

los the other way

[normal mist]

xD

[balmy condor]

xD

Great plan

[slate crown]

round and round and round

[balmy condor]

You die turning the corner

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/dogs-running-around-gif-8070541

[royal lantern]

the thing is

its content desinged for the reddit/forum playerbase that gets a hearthattack because timers in m+ exists + 4 other people exists in dungeons

and if WHISPYR struggles with the content, how do you expect the playerbase that the content is made for will react to it lol

like

there will be a GIANT outrage over it

[haughty flicker]

oh its 100% going to get tuned to be easier

[royal lantern]

if it releases and stays overtuned like it is rn lol

[haughty flicker]

but theres still the 13th delve that is going to intentionally be hard

and if its this hard unintentionally

wtf is that going to be

you walk in and die of a heart attack

[balmy condor]

Tinfoil theoryb

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

[balmy condor]

But I think maybe this delve tuning is what the hard one is

And they’re just gonna slap like -40% damage done on the regular ones

[haughty flicker]

would be disappointing if thats the way it ends up

but its definitely possible knowing blizzard

https://tenor.com/view/green-explosion-skaven-gif-9272053709133071409

[hot crystal]

so is ass meta now or what

[hearty reef]

Now? Yes it's been this whole last dragonflight season

[placid adder]

You called it ass so nope

[hoary remnant]

@balmy condor I know your not a big fan of without a trace (double vanish) but with the current bug that we get with garrote 5 cp during our subterfuge window how much more viable would it be? Still bad? (talking m+ here) Felt good during damage windows get fast a lot of cp.

[balmy condor]

no

[hoary remnant]

Good talk. So no not viable or no it isnt bad anymore

[balmy condor]

its dogshit

[stray ivy]

uhh they never removed ER?

[balmy condor]

no?

[stray ivy]

yikes

[subtle kiln]

No!

[balmy condor]

why would they

[stray ivy]

im trying to find a main for TWW i hated ER

maybe i mis remember it

[balmy condor]

then don't play it

[subtle kiln]

different discord server time

[hoary remnant]

Ok

[stray ivy]

This was the chart I was given to decide a main,

[balmy condor]

brother what the hell is this

[stray ivy]

[balmy condor]

why is every beta cycle filled with dumbasses that have the bare minimum IQ required to color code a spreadsheet

I hate this earth

[balmy condor]

oh I'm well aware of petko's nonsense

[stray ivy]

i think hes jhust bored

[balmy condor]

/w chat is the nail in the coffin

they gave assassination a 5/5 for defensives and self sustain

these people are actually mental

[hoary remnant]

bro whoever gave you this

thats petkos troll list

whoever takes that serious

needs helps

more then me liking subterfuge

[balmy condor]

there ain't no way

[spice surge]

Fire mage and assa rogue are equally tanky

YEP

[hoary remnant]

he tested in +10 keys

tanky is not important in a +10 its important when you really start pushing keys not some weekly bs

This list is utter bs. When ele was op petko put it on medium dps

[shy pecan]

Yeah, sin has like five defensive CDs like mage does

[hoary remnant]

Or sub rogue doing according to this list nearly same aoe as assa.

Sub rogue could never in a million years reach like 7 mill dps on first pull nw or stonevault first pull in like a +12

putting ele shaman 6 in aoe

This list is utter tiling ill stop now yapping sorry

[royal lantern]

yet another weird spreadsheet like all the others, what else

[potent raven]

dying

[hoary remnant]

One more thing. PLAY what you like what is fun for you. How does your class, feel, look, what mogs does a class have. 90% of Paladins started playing, because of T2 design. There is so much more then just number go big.

[strange python]

Where’s the people that argued with me that petkos playlist is good for x reasons in here

[shy pecan]

Man, I typed it in the wrong channel. But always "interesting" seeing how people talk about each spec in terms of their tier list

[hidden herald]

Anyone know what the best race is for raid dps?

I can’t be a dwarf anymore it’s just so hard being a tiny dude. Transmogs look bad and the animations are lame

[balmy condor]

races are within margin of error

[haughty flicker]

its a proven fact you do more damage if you look good

so pick the best looking race

[royal lantern]

if you care about dps, dwarf and tauren have the same "dps racial"

aka crit dmg

but yeha, racials are a meme for dps anyway lol

[stray ivy]

Orc

[hoary remnant]

the one you like. There are 99.9% other things you can do other then a race change .

[stray ivy]

red drenei also looks sick as rogue

[hoary remnant]

Except Tauren everything is fine. Tauren is like a meme xD

[hidden herald]

I’m thinking orc or troll

[royal lantern]

flip a coin

always the best option in a situation like that

if you flip it, and your first thought is "damm, i wanted the other thing" you have your answer

[ornate dawn]

That would make a good hero talent hmmm

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scream-cat-screaming-screaming-cat-screaming-cat-meme-cat-holding-head-gif-4516622970515193523

[potent raven]

dwarf too

[long island]

hi

if i go into stealth, and then garrote on a pack of 5

3 enemies will have garrote

but if i garrote the same enemy again is it going to garrote the 2 others that didnt get the garrote from the carnage or the same 2 that got carnaged?

basicly can i just spam garrote and rupture on the same enemy to make use of indiscriminate carnage?

[austere sorrel]

I believe it'll refresh your target, but smart target the rest of the mobs

[royal lantern]

yes

its smart targeting

aka you apply it too 2 enemys that dont have it yet

so if you dont target swap and do 2x garrote 2x rupture on the same enemy, thats 5 garrotes and 5 ruptures out

[long island]

ty

also 1 more question

do i stricly have to use finishers at 6 combo?

if i sometimes slip up and use them at 5 is it bad

[hearty reef]

hi wjuspyr

[royal lantern]

we play with "finish at 5 or more" right now

[long island]

ty, thought it was a big issue that i sometimes ruptured at 5

[balmy condor]

no clue

because it's the start of august and tuning for the season won't be done until late september

whichever you think is more fun

so do I man numbers are pretty cool

big fan of euler's number

[placid adder]

here you go fuu made this earlier

[balmy condor]

e to the i pi + 1 = 0

very elegant

[balmy condor]

true

[rough hull]

sooo important question can one play rogue with an absolute mental blockage against higher maths

[onyx scroll]

There could be so many changes between now and mythic raid release. So many like even 4 more!

[placid adder]

if you need to ask for numbers read picture

[balmy condor]

ofc

[rough hull]

thats a relief 😌

[placid adder]

because things change

[balmy condor]

because they're tuning every week

[placid adder]

if you asked 2 weeks ago rogue was doin tank dmg

[balmy condor]

for the next 7-8 weeks

what

brother

we just got a 15% buff

THIS WEEK

[pure moth]

Because tuning and changes are still happening. So you can't possibly know until it's live. As they continue to make changes.

[balmy condor]

wym wym

they gave us an insane buff this week

[shy pecan]

Like they buffed damage.

[balmy condor]

there ain't anything to explain about that

you have to be trolling

[sick sail]

Dude nobody knows

Ur gonna find out

[placid adder]

WYM LOL

[balmy condor]

just joined today

[shy pecan]

No one knows what it’ll look like at the start of the season.

[balmy condor]

this has to be some banned account on an alt right

[sick sail]

For real I think the man is trolling

[balmy condor]

but the account is so old

he has so many things linked

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

it's not about rogue

[shy pecan]

That's not even a rogue thing.

[sick sail]

Doesn’t matter what class it is

[shy pecan]

Goddamnit, Whispyr beat me to it

[sick sail]

Ur asking weird questions

[balmy condor]

it's about not understanding that there's tuning happening every week for the next 8 weeks

[sick sail]

Exactly

[balmy condor]

I don't know how much more clear I can make it

[haughty flicker]

[sick sail]

Haha you were firing me up

I was gonna kill someone

He’s so kind

Glad to see buffs. Guess I won’t quit

[balmy condor]

idk if I'm that kind

I'm contemplating a ban

[pure moth]

After many years.. hes immune to this. Takes alot

[sick sail]

Yea he was very patient

Don’t ever make me in charge of anything ty

[shy pecan]

You don't exactly go into a discord and troll a mod like that...

[sick sail]

As of now, still nothing changes right? Rotation wise based off of what’s on wowhead

Correct?

[runic hinge]

Ez way to get banned for a joke. Much better to be here for years and then troll

[placid adder]

why did you dm me too on the side wierdo

[royal lantern]

yes, and nothing will change really i gues

[sick sail]

Dude at this point just ban him lol

[balmy condor]

did he say weird shit

[sick sail]

Thanks for the response Tryan

[royal lantern]

at best 1-2 things in the opener/cd windows and thas it

[shrewd night]

Im not that kind.

[placid adder]

" i indeed am" shhh

i dont even know

lol

[royal lantern]

yeha, you are kinder ❤️

[sick sail]

Yea been practicing with whysps rotations and guides, I still gotta see how hero talents are in the rotation

[balmy condor]

!ban @sage yarrow showing up just to troll ain't it chief

[normal mist]

Thats how one get a ban

[royal lantern]

not really at all

[shrewd night]

@sage yarrowSee you in a week. Figure out by then if you want to be a contributing member of the communitu.

[normal mist]

LOL

[shrewd night]

Oh.

[balmy condor]

nah

[ember mural]

[shy pecan]

[shrewd night]

[sick sail]

Hahahaha

Nice

[shy pecan]

Shien just wanted to ban someone

[sick sail]

The Kind King has patience till he doesn’t. Let’s go boys

[shrewd night]

No, I just timed him out

Whisp pulled the trigger

[shy pecan]

Oh 😐

[shrewd night]

Maybe Ive gone soft

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/bongocat-banhammer-ban-hammer-bongo-gif-18219363

[shrewd night]

[sick sail]

Just weird, like why behave that way lmao

And message people in the side

[shy pecan]

Probably

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/john-doe-trigger-happy-firing-gun-road-house-gif-8978118

[sick sail]

So my girl I was dating ended it two days ago. So I guess I’ll go hard in wow again

[stuck knoll]

People get on the internet and lose all concept of how to be a functioning person

[sick sail]

Little sad but I need to get involved in wow as much as possible now

Yea I agree

[pure moth]

Sry to hear.. welcome to your new fam lol

[late surge]

Sorry to hear that big man

[sick sail]

Haha I appreciate it, just gotta remain masculine

[late surge]

I hope ur holding up well

Breakups are a hard thing to deal with

[sick sail]

I am, I just hate investing in people and it doesn’t workout, oh well, but u guys have been great

Only been 2 months but I thought she was it

[shrewd night]

She wasnt worth ur crown, king

[sick sail]

Ur right

Ima make a rogue with her name

JK JK

[earnest remnant]

yeh i do, and so what?

[gusty mirage]

Don’t ignore my ping you slut

[shrewd night]

You are a functioning racoon though

[stuck knoll]

I'mma kiss you rn I swear to god

[runic hinge]

Damn. So many mods here rn.

[gusty mirage]

Ty @earnest remnant

[pure moth]

Now we know what the shadows do behind closed channels

[gusty mirage]

I usually just get ignored, it is what it is ya feel me

[stuck knoll]

lowkey we do it in public more than private

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

Mfers jealous that someone married me before they got a chance

[runic hinge]

[gusty mirage]

Why don’t I have access to this?

[stuck knoll]

yeah and what

[gusty mirage]

[stuck knoll]

you;d be jealous too if you weren't you

[royal lantern]

imagine if we all could flirt like that IRL

[runic hinge]

Did you tie the knot fr?

[shrewd night]

Had to create a second server because of emoji limits

[royal lantern]

(people would call the cops)

[stuck knoll]

[late surge]

@royal lantern can we kiss :3 (dont call the cops please)

[royal lantern]

:3

[shrewd night]

👉

[late surge]

yo

[ember mural]

[late surge]

these emojis are fire

wtf

[royal lantern]

shien embracing his cat side more and more

[stuck knoll]

what being a feral goat does to a mf

Wait

I don't mean a feral goat

I mean like

he plays feral

and is the goat

[shrewd night]

goat feral?

[shy pecan]

Shien, famed feral goat

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/munching-viralhog-chewing-chomping-eating-gif-24389362

goat eyes are weird btw

[ember mural]

theyre using sage mode

[gusty mirage]

This coming Friday

[shrewd night]

Wait

Do we get more deets later so I can ask my mom if I can stay up late?

[runic hinge]

Congratulations

[earnest remnant]

Thanks

[ember mural]

oxi and I gonna have anniversaries 1 week apart 🤝

[shy pecan]

[pure moth]

In game wedding to celebrate ?

[royal lantern]

damm, timezones are getting crazy

[boreal cloud]

Did Assa rota/opener change significantly in prepatch?

[vestal wren]

no

[boreal cloud]

Anything other than +ER and -SD?

[balmy condor]

dance wasn't really something you played around at all, but yeh

tea rules changed a bit and we don't use master assassin

[boreal cloud]

So different vanish usage?

[balmy condor]

but conceptually aside from the small tweaks to stuff it's all the same

you just vanish for imp gar

[boreal cloud]

Okay, seems good

[balmy condor]

like instead of dance giving us improved garrote for deathmark

it's just vanish now

and the rest is whatever

[still spade]

Haven't played Rogue in a serious manner since SL. Whats our best spec so far going into TWW? I heard Rogue Hero Talents are pretty disappointing.

[balmy condor]

we don't know

[still spade]

Ahh okay.

[balmy condor]

7ish weeks of tuning left

[still spade]

On Beta is one stronger than the others in general?

[steel sable]

its almost like i don't even want to bother playing until they finish with tuning.

[stray ivy]

A lot of leather looks cursed on male drenei the second you start walking. fem looks badass tho

[still spade]

Yeah my monk is Female Draenei ❤️ looks so good. i avoid male draenei though

[balmy condor]

assa just got around a 15% buff this week and is looking pretty okay now

sub hasn't gotten much in terms of tuning but started off stronger

but it's really just

[raven egret]

Aside from the fact tuning is never finished, this is always the same situation every pre patch period

[stray ivy]

do unloaded weak auras mess with CPU usage at all? like if have a shit load

the ones on the bottom list

[balmy condor]

no

[stray ivy]

great thx

[violet glade]

is there ever a world in m+ where we play second vanish charge over ER?

[oblique jackal]

I'm trying out a new build for Tyr.. Any thoughts?

[strange python]

Cat won, wouldn’t recommend

Ggs

[balmy condor]

Not if you believe in math

If you have a bad relationship with math then yeah it’s great

[violet glade]

i do believe in math, I only ask because im finding getting the restelth in between packs in m+ a tad difficult

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t worry about it

Bleeds have never been weaker

[violet glade]

couldnt say about that started playing sin two days ago lol just wondering cos from the 2 10's ive done my overall is mostly bleeds maybe im playing wrong

[hoary remnant]

Like if it helps you get more into stealth and you feel more comfortable playing it then go for it.

Especially when your learning try to make it easy on you imo.

[balmy condor]

Nah bleeds are still good, but restealths in general are very overstated by the community impact wise and a lot of the value is crimson tempest and just having a couple of bleeds up for the energy or scent of blood stacks

Like it definitely sucks not restealthing sometimes but it’s nothing crazy either

Just gotta keep the energy up and truck onwards ya know

[violet glade]

yeah i getcha

[balmy condor]

Most of the time being able to chain pull is more dps purely from the lack of downtime and being able to go into a pack without ramping etc

[violet glade]

so just dont focus on using carnage to spread if i dont/cant restealth?

[balmy condor]

Carnage is a tool you have to speed up the start of a fresh pull and get some extra damage out and interrupts from iron wire etc, vanish lets you do that on command

But the main thing bleeds let you do is have energy to cast spells

And you don’t really need carnage for that, that’s doable by just spreading bleeds

[hidden herald]

Fresh pack no stealth. Are you putting up crimson tempest ASAP or getting out a garrote and rupture first?

[balmy condor]

Gar rup first

[hidden herald]

Ty

[fluid glade]

are sims working for beta

[balmy condor]

Yes

[obtuse valley]

Ye from what I’ve seen from casual playing Assa on beta is that it’s more important to just worry about tempest uptime+getting at least 3-4 ruptures out(garrotes when you can) and then cleaving dmg with envenom chains

[mint valve]

does meld let you get carnage?

[balmy condor]

Only if you true stealth

[mint valve]

what im confused with in aoe is when do you press envenom for caustic spatter vs spreading more ruptures?

[fluid glade]

he seems to ct after the opener and not before as well something i noticed

[balmy condor]

You envenom when you have enough energy to sustain your rotation

[balmy condor]

This would be the normal thing to do

[mint valve]

ahhh rupture so you get more energy, but you WANT to envenom because its more damage in aoe if you had unlimited energy. got it

[balmy condor]

Carnage bleeds -> dm/kb -> ct

[obtuse valley]

He’s prob doing it after because he’s just trying to get his cds asap because packs don’t live long enough on 10-12s (esp with locks lol)

[fluid glade]

yeah im saying he does it considerably after

but its most likely for that reason

10s feel very low

[mint valve]

how do you correctly use kingsbane now that there is no shadow dance?

[balmy condor]

Rupture is loaded with all sorts of stuff, you get scent stacks if you’re playing scent as well, same with bone spike, etc

[balmy condor]

The same way, but with no shadow dance

[mint valve]

oh rip.. haha, but no more vanish when theres 3s left?

you use vanish for more garrotes during DM?

[balmy condor]

Nop

Master assassin suck

[mint valve]

kk

[balmy condor]

Tea is just during shiv for energy as well, no hard timing on that

[mint valve]

do you ever throw a naked shiv out with your bleeds to buff the bleeds? or always just keep 2 for every kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

In theory always 2 for kingsbane

In practice with things dying instantly it probably matters less

[mint valve]

thanks for answering all my questions that are probably in the wowhead guide already (; LOL

[balmy condor]

All good

Not the first nor the last

M+ is a lot of experience gameplay as well

Very difficult spec in that regard cause it’s basically impossible to have hard rules

Way too situational

[mint valve]

ive played sub and outlaw a LOT but first time maybe trying assa this season

assa always seems fun

oh, when youre mid combat. and you need to deathmark a target... do you vanish garrote to put up improved garrote before you dm?

or do you save your vanish for the reapplication of garrote when the normal one is falling off?

[balmy condor]

Yes on a boss but in m+ you should probably just hold vanish for a pull