assassination

[rigid tartan]

you definitely will need the new gear atleast for stamina levels even to survive stuff if you progress

[balmy condor]

It’ll be like 40 ilvl under the gear you’re getting

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Fight could be a million years long

If it’s shit it’s shit

[golden spoke]

Fair enough

Its a pity thou such trinkets are pretty cool, and just completly useless with the new expansion start

[fleet pagoda]

even if it was good enough going into tww prog, they'd nerf it so it's not. they don't want people doing that

[golden spoke]

That can be a case although wasnt sylvs dagger very good for sepulcher prog>

?

[fleet pagoda]

more recent examples would be them nerfing trinkets tier-to-tier in DF

[runic hinge]

That's a little different because it's just a tier instead of a whole expansion

[balmy condor]

That’s not an expansion

[fleet pagoda]

also, the rings from s1 getting nerfed to make them less valuable in season 2

[golden spoke]

ohh ye forgot about that

How is state of assa for raid right now on beta? Is it going to be good enough to not feel down comparing to other class and specs?

[runic hinge]

it's goated

#1 spec

No bias tho

[balmy condor]

It’s fine

Nothing crazy

But tuning is all over the place

Basically not worth mentioning atm

They just buffed some warlock thing by 800%

And they buffed us by almost 20% overall in the last 2ish weeks

So like your guess is as good as anyone else’s

[golden spoke]

One more is there a moments in fight besides kingsbane where we press envenom immediately after filling combo points or we always wait for enevenom buff ending?

[grave rivet]

How are we looking compared to Sub?

[balmy condor]

deathstalker capstone, if you really need the burst, or you have a lot of energy like in aoe

[austere sorrel]

I'm not a pro, but I will do it immediately if I'm high on energy / about to cap, so you can build cp back up for a dot that will probably be close to needing refresh or whatever

[balmy condor]

See replied message

All the specs will end up fairly close

[shut lotus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[rocky sluice]

guys

is there a RLP bug

where healer can't heal you

on first boss

like it's happened to me three times now

and my trinket wasn't working either

i thinkit's after vanishing once on first boss

[haughty flicker]

Sounds like me as healer

[rocky sluice]

there's a weird bug that always happenes to me

it's happened to me three times now where the healer can't heal me

I have a feelling it's a rogue bug I don't know

[balmy condor]

First I’m hearing of it

[normal mist]

pvp or?

[balmy condor]

Ruby life pools

Apparently

[rocky sluice]

Yeah I have no idea

[strange python]

This is not the first time I am hearing that

[rocky sluice]

I have to like leave dungeon, walk back in

[strange python]

3rd person I think

And it’s always rlp

[rocky sluice]

i'm just floor pov first boss lol

[haughty flicker]

Every time I think I’ve heard the weirdest bug of this patch another one takes the cake

[stark musk]

How to fix my energy bar, so I don't go low after few combos with assa?

[errant trail]

are warcraft logs bugged for you guys

i’m checking my ilevel parses for mythic awakened abberus and it seems wrong

[strange python]

How come you think so

[errant trail]

idk says i got 100 ilevel find it hard to believe

lol

[gray flower]

so is Deathstalker just launching in this state or what. its still completely unplayable

[strange python]

No it’s definitely possible

[haughty flicker]

There’s like 10 people playing

[errant trail]

we got fate bound

[strange python]

Ilvl parses are a small bracket

[haughty flicker]

So definitely possible

[strange python]

And there’s not many logs period

Even less in your ilvl bracket

[runic hinge]

Put on poisons

[stark musk]

I've 4 poisons active

I still get low after few mili damage

With all Tea's used

[errant trail]

that makes so much sense

[balmy condor]

Correct

[errant trail]

thanks for the clarity

[balmy condor]

That’s how the spec plays

[runic hinge]

I mean assa just plays like that

[errant trail]

i was like i suck

[stark musk]

Alright, atleast I am not doing anything wrong then

Makes my sleep better

[balmy condor]

I mean you kinda are

[stark musk]

That's not goodie

[balmy condor]

Cause it sounds like you’re not pooling

But it’s like 1.5% dps

So it’s whatever

And it’s changing in tww a bit

[stark musk]

To better or worse?

[balmy condor]

Similar impact

Just different rules

[stark musk]

On the other hand, should I buy dagger now for 2 Antique Bronze Bullions or wait until new patch?

Since I am running with some 460 ilvl dagger

[balmy condor]

New patch makes your bullions worthless

And most of your gear too

Cause it’s the new expac

So idk

Would spend it

[strange python]

Probably just spend it

If not on the dagger then on transmog I guess

[thorn fjord]

Can we use bullions on non leather tmogs now?

[sharp viper]

on weapon transmogs, no armor pieces afaik

[austere sorrel]

Trinket xmogs

[untold rampart]

So, how do you guys feel about Rogue pushing higher-level keys in TWW? I'm trying to place the Rogue (Any spec, really) in the list of class priorities when pushing high keys. Yes, ultimately, you can play any class and find success, but let's wait to play that game. Will rogue utility continue to find them a place?

[peak jolt]

What hero spec does we go as assa now ? Havent tested rouge at all yet.

[wicked star]

continue to? rogue utility?

[spice spire]

Deathstalker atm, looks like fatebound could be an option.

[spice spire]

It’s going to boil down to tuning which we are continuing to see go through rounds.

[balmy condor]

Continue to find a place in the LFG queue getting declined or ignored

Poggers rogue util

[peak jolt]

Okay ill play around with it

[subtle tundra]

Guys am i the only one doing absolutely dogshit dps

in raid

[peak jolt]

Got a m+ team. And they are gladly taking my rogue 😂😂 so no pugs

[spice spire]

Yes because ur the only mf raiding

[subtle tundra]

wtf?

i cant play the game i enjoy

[peak jolt]

Yes you can

[balmy condor]

Yeah I only play in guild

[subtle tundra]

i lied

i dont like this game

[balmy condor]

Pugging is a nightmare I avoid at all costs

[peak jolt]

Me to

Ye i got 2500 io on the rogue erali on in s4 and havent really touched rogue since went to play uh dk insted 😂

[runic hinge]

I try to but my guild doesn’t play the game as much as me

And my wack work schedule

[stark musk]

I tried RET Pala today and hell it's doing a lot of damage

[peak jolt]

My guild lead has a fuckt work schedule aswell but somehow we allways seem to getting some doungeon done

[balmy condor]

You played season 4? My condolences

[peak jolt]

Just had some fun with it went to uh dk and shadow priest insted had some fun there and the larst couple og weeks ive been lvling alts and main cause im kinda sick of looking at the same model 😂

My rogue is Bloodelf and i kinda want a undead or a troll

[subtle tundra]

I DO VERY BAD DAMAGE........ i dont like

[tawdry cobalt]

can some1 explain to me what this means? they strike an additonal time when seal fate procs?

[peak jolt]

I did aswell for some time but i lerant to manged my cd and pump hard with kingsbane and now i do good

[balmy condor]

if they crit they give you +1 cp

[runic hinge]

Do you do bad damage or do other classes do bonkers damage cause it’s prepatch

[balmy condor]

so if either hit of mutilate crits, you get +1

if both crit, you still only get +1

if fan of knives crits 1 target, that's +1

if it crits 45 targets, also +1

[subtle tundra]

i know how to play the class

spec*

[peak jolt]

Hmm well i dont know then

[peak jolt]

Im not there looking at the rotation and what you are doing ? 😅

[balmy condor]

varas used to be competing for r1 assa

now look at him

washed up and unable to do damage

this is what happens when you're old

[subtle tundra]

we are 11man-ing

the raid

2 raids racing

[balmy condor]

are ya winning

[subtle tundra]

y

[balmy condor]

rogue on top then

[hardy venture]

Ya boy back with another dumb question:

BiS Rings are Diurna's Chosen and Seal of Filial Duty

I see Grieftorch as well.

Is Grieftorch the only fire damage to proc rings?

[glass hemlock]

And head enchant

[vagrant frigate]

Helm enchat

[hardy venture]

Derp! Thanks homies

[normal mist]

Btw

the fire dmg ring wont deal a lot of dmg

probably around 1% of your overall

[hardy venture]

Ahhh good to know! I have 7 Bullions atm. I'll get the 2 trinkets and the Shield one for now.

[normal mist]

ashes + grief

Also, beware that weapons are also important in case you dont have them

[hardy venture]

I got the Dreamcarver and the event dagger for now

[normal mist]

yeah dreamcarver is alright

[errant trail]

so

seems like we

are looking good

even tho i hate death stalker

we can still go fatebound

[normal mist]

yes

[errant trail]

those buffs are great

[normal mist]

more to come

probably

[errant trail]

i’m sure whispyr is drinking monster rn

[glass hemlock]

Ashes, grief torch, offhand would be what I would do

[balmy condor]

I'm not

I could though

considering it atm

[slim hamlet]

Crime

[glass hemlock]

6.30am in Australia Whisp, load up on caffeine

[hardy venture]

The hero track one, or is there a bullion on?

Also, do not macro Grief to Deathmark right?

[balmy condor]

no

ashes to kingsbane is the macro

[glass hemlock]

Ashes gets macro’d to KB

[balmy condor]

grief to deathmark would be

well

grief

[glass hemlock]

Huge grief

Hahahah

[balmy condor]

you want to press your buttons during your cooldowns not stand there and waggle a fire stick

[glass hemlock]

If you can get Nick of time sure but otherwise there’s a bullion off hand or just get a good drop

I’m gonna have to go hard af in S1 running a rogue and an aug for keys

[normal mist]

Expansion is over in less than a month, don't force yourselves to farm items that will be obsolete in a few days

[hardy venture]

Thanks all! You all are super helpful and nice to dummies like me ❤️

[haughty flicker]

spend bullions on transmog

[normal mist]

Thanks. Reddit says otherwise

[balmy condor]

heard, going to be mean next time to balance it out

[glass hemlock]

Better then the aug discord when the nerfs came out

My lord have mercy

[hardy venture]

If you do, I'll start to mention WoWhead backend again 😛 Get you really fired up

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hardy venture]

https://tenor.com/bmN3T.gif

[normal mist]

The trick is to NOT participate in any other class discord other than Rogue

I have no idea what happens beyond these borders

The stories are amazing tho

[glass hemlock]

Yeah I just go there for weak auras and basic questions 😂

Aug is far easier then I expected too

[normal mist]

The hard part about aug is probably the player and not the class (not memeing)

[glass hemlock]

Pity I’ll barely get use out of it until +12 key lol

[normal mist]

A good aug that knows when to pop stuff on your CDS is a god

those that just pop stuff randomly in a key...

[glass hemlock]

Hahahaha yeah exactly

Hopefully I can still main assa for pushing but my tank really wants me on aug and I don’t hate it so

[normal mist]

Therefore, i believe the class might be easy, but pushing it to the next level is entirely on the player

[glass hemlock]

Absolutely

[normal mist]

[glass hemlock]

Do you think they’ll change the ilvl different from raiding/keys?

Gonna upset a lot of people

[static glacier]

real question is do people NEED gear immediately?

answer is not really

[glass hemlock]

2024 people are FOMO addicts

[static glacier]

it's an mmorpg this is what we signed up for

asymmetric power based on gear is the definition of FOMO

that mythic endboss item that's really strong is only cool bc it's powerful and hard to get

bullion type aquisition pushes the game towards being more competitive since it's a more level playing field

but blizz won't ever give us that, they know it makes people stop logging in when there's no more carrot

[glass hemlock]

That’s certainly 1 interpretation. I don’t think the mythic enables item is only cool because it’s hard to get

My brain says ilvl go up, damage and healing go up, key level go up

[static glacier]

powerful and hard to get

personally as a more competitively minded player I hate rng in loot aquisition

[glass hemlock]

So the gripe is that m+ items are easy to get

[static glacier]

and id rather them let us farm full myth track from keys

[glass hemlock]

Cause there’s no lockout

Yeah fair

[short reef]

any racial that pulls ahead? orc/tauren/dwarf?

[static glacier]

so I can compete with liquid players gear week 1, but they won't ever do that

[glass hemlock]

If they said something like

[static glacier]

you can sim it, if you're doing challenging content one of the more utility / defensive racials (dwarf / nelf) is best

[glass hemlock]

First 4 weeks ilvl gear from mythic raiding is higher, following that mythic+ ilvl gear will match

Yeah dwarf nelf

If you are super minmax

[short reef]

planned on it just not home atm tbh but appreciate it

[static glacier]

if you dont absolutely need stoneform / meld to play ur content

id honestly say go for w/e you like the look of

if you give no fucks about aesthetics or defensives then sim awaits

[short reef]

outside of smeld / stonef is there a dps racial ?

[thorn fjord]

in cow we trust

[short reef]

^

thats what im talking about

XD

[static glacier]

most races have a small dps racial

[thorn fjord]

3% crit and an aoe stun? sign me up

[static glacier]

tauren** n dwarf are 2% crit dmg

[short reef]

thank you

[thorn fjord]

Thought cow was 3

[static glacier]

nah, they do have extra stam tho :beefy:

[short reef]

chonky boi

thanks for the info btw was trying to make sure that deathmark + idk bloodfury interaction didnt pull ahead or something silly in pve

[static glacier]

nah, for the most part

[short reef]

havent pve'd in awhile outside of keys

[static glacier]

the only notable stuff is specs with bursty 3 min cds liking troll (unholy before the changes) and specs with a lot of crit chance liking tauren / dwarf (fire / outlaw / frost mage ) though that is more relevant towards the end of an expac

nelf lets you get restealths but they're a bit unreliable

other than that they're all generally very very close (under 1% diff)

[balmy condor]

racials don't matter for shit dps wise

like actually margin of error

[slim hamlet]

The only time you will see more than 2% difference in race is unholy DK and dwarf/tauren for shaman/outlul

[short reef]

hey numbies is numbies even if im dogshit i want the best chance i can

[slim hamlet]

You will play better if you play something u think looks cool

[balmy condor]

not really how that works

[slim hamlet]

Factual statement

[short reef]

^ you're right

[errant trail]

look

from my experience dealing with bad tanks

night elf can kinda restealth in m+

not bosses tho but that’s BIG

2m CD tho

[slim hamlet]

I mean yea

Night elf is also just good for mechanics in m+

Every sinlge top assa rogue is night elf, doesn't mean it matters, just if you REALLY just only care about performance

[errant trail]

feels more like a bad tank fix

cuz tanks don’t care about restealth

they literally just run 🏃

[normal mist]

To be fair

[slim hamlet]

!​Restealth

Wtf

!​restealtg

...

!​restealth

[normal mist]

Given that Rogue is the least played class in the game, it's hard to find one tank that actually understands

[slim hamlet]

Ok nvm

[normal mist]

!stealth

Hmm

[slim hamlet]

Moroes is sleeping on the job

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic hinge]

Nah it’s just you guys

[normal mist]

Fuu is already hitting moroes with an hammer

[vestal wren]

moroes is up tho

was !stealth removed?

[normal mist]

It wasn't me, i swear

Also, the M+ changes were reverted

[vestal wren]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish which gives you plenty of options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[vestal wren]

maybe this one?

[normal mist]

He did say it

[glass hemlock]

Which ones?

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-beta-developer-notes-updated-mythic-loot-change-reverted-345581?utm_source=discord-webhook

[vestal wren]

interessting

[glass hemlock]

So it drops at 2/6 instead of 1/6?

[normal mist]

Yeah

seems like it

[glass hemlock]

Saves some crests I guess 😂

[runic hinge]

15 crests times 14 gear slots is quite the savings yeah

[normal mist]

In the case of, obviously, not raiding heroic and not having any other source of Hero gear

[runic hinge]

I’m assuming worst case scenario

Which is my usual gearing

[slate crown]

Same

[normal mist]

Y'all just gotta get there and loot the loot

smh

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hallow token]

came in here to do that, lol

[spice spire]

Only thing I loot is DN

[normal mist]

Same quake, same

[novel parcel]

What do I do when I'm playing with 2 fury warriors

Do I just cry

Since they murder my everything

:(

[runic hinge]

Just enjoy the carry and your key getting timed

[novel parcel]

So I judt cry cool ty

[subtle vale]

How are we currently using vanish in m+ do we stull use it before kb like dance or how are we using it?

[runic hinge]

For imp garrote

Probably when you don’t get a restealth and want one

[subtle vale]

so just use to reapply garrotes like old times

[runic hinge]

It doesn’t do anything for kb anymore

Yeah

[subtle vale]

kk cool

[sick sail]

boys, might have to transition to alliance =/ started this new echo event stuff, all i see is ally

always wanted to night elf anyways

[normal mist]

Warmode off

[sick sail]

just dont see enough horde to tag with etc

[normal mist]

I mean, unless you're farming the event after the first 10ish minutes where you want to tag the rares and then the final boss

I don't see it being a problem

[runic hinge]

I do it in war mode and don’t see anyone else

[slim hamlet]

What is DN?

[runic hinge]

Darkest night

[slim hamlet]

Ah

It is beginning to get dark out again here

Would make sense

[spice spire]

19 in French

[slim hamlet]

Baguette?

Oui oui

That's about it, sorry pal

[weak isle]

guys if u had to define Assassination with a colour yourself, would it still be red?

[slate crown]

It would be red or green

[slim hamlet]

Definitely red

Or dark blue

Could be like navy

[sick sail]

red, black and green

[slim hamlet]

Black is definitely possoble

I think rosewood red would be bis

[runic hinge]

Crimson

No bias

[errant trail]

a color for rogue

WHOLE LOTTA RED

[rain mortar]

i know prepatch is not a big deal but out dmg is kind of fat right now

[errant trail]

[rain mortar]

spatter is huuuuge

[errant trail]

that’s GIG

[rain mortar]

yeah kind of big boy

[errant trail]

sanguini huge too

bro we all got sanguine rn icons

[slim hamlet]

crimson WHAT

[errant trail]

it’s a must talent

u have 2 take it

sometimes i press it if i can’t get in range

[slim hamlet]

what?

[rain mortar]

i was playin g the SBS build too so i could make CT bigger

[sick sail]

damn ima practice some m+ CT rotation/sanguin

guys can u remind me the one disadvantage to being a different faction from a friend?

[slim hamlet]

How does SBS make CT bigger?

[slim hamlet]

I don't think you can party up and queue dungeon finder

[slate crown]

lethal dose

[slim hamlet]

Also mists of pandaria got faction specific thing

[slim hamlet]

Ok but that is everything not specifically CT

[slate crown]

Correct

[sick sail]

Ahhh okay, I think once I’m max level I shouldn’t need to queue up for anything with my horde buddy

[shy pecan]

Probably not the best use of words there

[haughty flicker]

was certainly a choice

[limber lion]

Damn can't delete messages anymore

Gg in the chat

[slim hamlet]

gG indeed

[spice spire]

Real

[thorn fjord]

guys

How do i normally fly

w/o dragon riding i mean

[haughty flicker]

should be a toggle in your mount tab

[thorn fjord]

ty

[spice surge]

Deathstalker 📈

[fleet pagoda]

man they're slammin' the tuning through

or beta updates in general*

[sudden brook]

SIN TIER

CHART TRENDING UPWARDS

[limber lion]

Again

🕺

Assa tier every tier

[silk bane]

dont let whispyr see this

bros gonna go bald

DS tier is his biggest enemy

[rotund oak]

deathstalker buffs?!

is my hopium becoming reality

[raven egret]

Deathstalker sucks no matter what they do to it

[rotund oak]

if the mark mechanic changes its better

and the consumption

for DN

[raven egret]

DS is basically: Mark + set of randomly selected buffs to random shit; Changing the mark is akin to just getting a new hero tree altogether, Deathstalker has to die

[rotund oak]

kinda troll

[raven egret]

Biased as I am, I think its the worst tree in the game, worst than the Oracle tree mini game

[rotund oak]

thats not the deal with deathstalker though

[raven egret]

I'm not trolling at all, its a terrible tree

[rotund oak]

sin is gonna clap them bttchicks

im actually hyped now

[sudden brook]

Why do we hate deathstalker

On ST

idc about M+

[raven egret]

yeah we have the only tree in the game that is ST specific, how does that make sense

[sudden brook]

I mean idrc, one talent tree is just gonna be numerically better for st anda oe

Not defending it but like, I don't really care

Why is deathstalker bad on st tho

Idk how ti works

[raven egret]

just to be clear, was that question to me? because I wasnt saying it was bad on ST

[rotund oak]

we never did fam,ppl just dont understand the power hiding behind it

also outlaw still remains bad

lmao

tlaking about the worse tree

[haughty flicker]

in st deathstalker is probably fine as long as it isnt an intermission boss

there was talk of fok in st but that isnt actually the play yet, just a possibility

you have the 7 cp envenom stuff which is a bit annoying

but not game breaking

[sudden brook]

Just anybody

[haughty flicker]

here we go

[pure bridge]

Are the AP changes in the indivdual abilities' notes just reflecting the aura buff to rogue abilities or are they seperate changes to the skills themselves, on top of the overall aura buffs?

[rotund oak]

this feels actually bad

[raven egret]

thing is, I dont believe for one second that if Deathstalker reigns on top of ST it will be left as is, its a one trick pony tree that does not have any future

[sudden brook]

What does this even mean

[rotund oak]

its a tree fam

this is hate

[raven egret]

I mean you can dismiss what I am saying all you want, it remains a fact that that tree is headed to be only really usable in a single scenario, pure ST.

[sudden brook]

A lot of this game is pure ST, at least in a raiding context

How good its cleave is doesnt really matter when rogues job every expac is just "do st"

The class tends to specialize in that

[spice surge]

Idk how bad it is to play in m+ is also a bit overblown

[slate crown]

I don't hate it. Honestly it's just a couple of things that I don't specifically like that could be changed.

I do not like casting a mutilate at 6 CP. I do not like the prospect of casting FoK in ST. Both are fixable.

I do not like the fact that does not work with Mark or Darkest Night. This is also fixable.

There is also the possibility that we now need to hold Shiv for Fatal Intent pop which could be interesting but just as equally could be very intrusitve and frustrating to other CD alignments.

If you changed a couple of those things, I would feel fine to play deathstalker. I'm not looking forward to it, but fixing all or some of those things would raise its profile for me

[silk bane]

it has issues like:

• if boss leaves, immunes, removes debuffs etc, you lose mark and its very hard to get it back as sin.
• it promotes a flatter damage profile
• it basically warps your entire gameplay to get as many envenoms out as possible leading to shit like : dropping almost all bleed related talents and taking vicious venoms instead, and like 25% of your damage is just envenoms.
• it has miserable gameplay, with how often you get to 6 cp, then have to mutilate to 7 cp for darkest night. not only it feels bad, its also kinda makes you starved on energy since you have to add one more builder before you finish.
• it breaks all the fun things sin likes, like pooling, chaining etc. this one just makes you hover over 50% energy and maximize envenom uptime

[slate crown]

Anyways back to cooking

[silk bane]

• the gear that it wants is mostly just crit/haste making it harder to multi spec

[sudden brook]

"it basically warps your entire gameplay to get as many envenoms out as possible leading to shit like : dropping almost all bleed related talents and taking vicious venoms instead, and like 25% of your damage is just envenoms."

[slate crown]

[sudden brook]

I dont hate this

I think, at least last tier, bleeds were p good for sin

I kinda am down for envenoms to be OP again

AT least for a tier

Just a diff playstyle right

Or like can u explain why it sucks more

[rotund oak]

my man,what about deathstalker sub now

[silk bane]

well theres a few things like its litearlly unplayable on a few bosses in next raid.

its not playable on council

or first boss

its not playable in a few keys

[raven egret]

I don't see whats fun about just being an envenom bot

[silk bane]

but other than that, idk, the playstyle it had, was not something i enjoyed for sin.

but thats preference.

[sudden brook]

Fair

It being bad on some fights kinda sucks, but Personally I dont hate mutalating at 6

I get why its icky tho lol

[silk bane]

I'd probaly prefer it over fatebound if Im playing sin though.

specially on farm

[raven egret]

I want to have something better than fatebound, dont get me wrong

deathstalker just aint it 😦

and I'm talking mechanically, fun wise

numbers are obviously whatever

[rain mortar]

They should just let us apply marks with max combo point Evis at anytime and remove the stealth requirement crap

[haughty flicker]

pretty hard for sin to use max combo evis

[rain mortar]

You know what I mean

[haughty flicker]

[rain mortar]

Don’t be a turd

[silk bane]

they could just make it so whenever you lost a mark for whatever reason -> you get darkest night

[strange python]

So you just end up envenoming every mob in m+

[silk bane]

and make darkest night last over a minute.

[rain mortar]

Yes yes I like

[silk bane]

this still doesnt solve the problem of council though. because youre not losing marks there, the boss just leaves and u cant go to it because youre stuck with your color group

[rotund oak]

that is counter-intuitive to the specs economy coz u spend more than u actually generate,results to starvation..

irrelevant but i think sin will still be ok with spatter and CT buffs

its gonna be the go even for m+

[sudden brook]

new tier new spec idk

[rotund oak]

unless sub trickster is just better

yeah u r right here,new tier new spec

[silk bane]

betas up if anyone wants to test it. im in a tft game going 100% 8th

ill check it out after

[sudden brook]

Sure, But I would argue personally, I think its kinda interesting that theres more of a choice to make with a talent tree than just "this is highest st patchwork raidbots"

Id think it'd be cool if more talent trees worked like that

[silk bane]

yes but unfortunately thats not how the game is tuned/designed.

a good example is sub

having a weakness doesnt mean you get to excel when the weakness isnt there

so just because your "best build" is unplayable in a fight, doesnt mean its really good when it is playable

but also, at the end of the day, its a new expansion, new features, we should be excited and looking fortward to them, (like me with trickster sub)

instead of finding ways to not hate them

[blazing jewel]

its time to be toxic

[runic prairie]

im looking forward to the 1hr tricks tech 😎

[silk bane]

youre lucky scanas not here, he would whoop yo ass

[runic prairie]

blizz is gonna cap distance on tricks for sure

[blazing jewel]

[slate crown]

Have not caught up but just to also mention, one of the things I didn't like before was that mastery didn't effect the plague damage, though that isn't because of gameplay interaction, it's just because it feels like it should. It's poison damage. Sin should conceptually be masters of poison damage, that's the whole thematic point, so when we have something that specifically boosts that, and doesn't interact with this new plague stuff, feels weird. Also though that's a lesser consideration as it's not a gameplay consideration (Which, now mastery does impact it, neato)

[subtle kiln]

I’m still trying to sort out if you actually are excited or if you’ve mentally jumped through enough hoops to convince yourself you’re excited. It’s basically least shit option for me right now, doesn’t mean is good let alone great or exciting. It still need gameplay love to get there.

[silk bane]

have you seen scana? i miss him sm

[silk bane]

Im excited

i like how trickster plays

[blazing jewel]

[silk bane]

I like the new tools it gives sub

[silk bane]

are these your colour trial logs?

[blazing jewel]

trickster sub wont be a problematic damage profile at all

[subtle kiln]

Purple fart in ST. Great gameplay

[silk bane]

you think doing 4M dps burst, and cleaving 50% of it is gonna be problematic?

[blazing jewel]

there would be a very angry raccoon at my door if I ever played in colour lol

he would be heavily armed too

isnt sin still a giga 2 min spec

or has that flattened a bit with the changes

[subtle kiln]

Assa 2, sub cooking to be 1:30

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-racoon-catch-raindrops-catch-eat-gif-11703215

hes coming for you

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/act-natural-raccoon-funny-animals-stop-moving-gif-16157710

[subtle kiln]

He’s in LA. Ain’t coming for no one.

[silk bane]

racoon mans in LA now/?

[silk bane]

yeah but not as much.

like its still a proper 2 min burst spec

but its not like s3 levels of burst, a bit lower

[raven egret]

technically it should flatten our dmg profile a tiny bit, lower highs, higher lows (not by a huge margin, just a bit)

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

[limber lion]

based

🕺

[slim hamlet]

Rookie numbers

[violet jackal]

Cev no longer green my life is in shambles 😿

[runic hinge]

Same tbh

[haughty flicker]

my life has always been in shambles

welcome to the club

[rotund oak]

Whispyr's asleep still huh?

man's gonna go berserk with the new deathstalker stuff

[royal lantern]

?

new?

[wooden jasper]

with the new tuning buffs is sin super chilling?

I feel like people were already saying our numbers were good

then we get 2 back to back buffs which seem big lol

[silk bane]

in keys? yea

youre actually like insane

[wooden jasper]

ooo

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-beta-build-55959-class-and-spell-changes-major-tuning-changes-345587?utm_source=discord-webhook

[wooden jasper]

im hype

M+ enjoyer

[normal mist]

Does this have anything to do with what happened like 1/2 days ago?

[wooden jasper]

there was another post 4 hours ago

implementating those changes + more

like what sap linked

[normal mist]

I just woke up

[silk bane]

Deathstalker plague damage got added to sin mastery

the rest is a sum up of the changes from the last couple of weeks

[normal mist]

Oh ok ok ok, thanks Armin

[hoary remnant]

That seems big I guess

[normal mist]

Back to sleep

[runic hinge]

DS stonks to the moon

[silk bane]

Wait till they figure out what fatal intents supposed to do so we can add it to the sims too!

Gonna be super stonks

[steel ridge]

they mostly baked the aura buff into the abilities and removed the aura right

thats what i gather

and a bit on top

[marble hemlock]

ye

really nice

the fact this still happens

still cracks me up so fucking much tho

https://i.imgur.com/MMXFO6R.jpeg

ability never even made it into a full release, was canned in beta already, yet its still in the database and is still affected everytime they do an aura adjustment like this

[rotund oak]

ye its pretty big

[steel ridge]

haha i thought the same when i saw it

spaghetti leftovers

[slim hamlet]

It will be added in 11.1

[grim jay]

Yeah, will be the new talent in place of doomblade

[steel ridge]

doomblade is fine, its just undertuned as heck

bringt back the 5% envenom dmg and its feasting

[grim jay]

Its an uninteresting talent and bad in aoe nonetheless

[steel ridge]

well

its a tax node for boner

and boner is omega goated for questing!

soooo it has that going for it which is.... nice?

[grim jay]

Idk about that

[alpine nebula]

man I'm so tired of playing kingsbane in keys - and deathmark just overkills anything that isn't a captain

[grim jay]

Nodes can still be interesting and kinda go with the trend of the following talents

[grim jay]

So?

[alpine nebula]

so it doesn't take any time off the key

[balmy condor]

dude I'm going to flip

why do they keep fucking changing the talent tree imports

every week

[grim jay]

Just play a different build?

[slate crown]

Hi hello gm whispyr

[grim jay]

Sounds like you are playing cleave

[balmy condor]

hi

[slate crown]

Ok I go to bed now

[alpine nebula]

kingsbane and deathmark are standard in all builds

[grim jay]

They wanna keep it fresh

[grim jay]

The impact is different and demise works with dm

[alpine nebula]

I'm playing demise

[lime crypt]

It's that time again

[grim jay]

Then its not really an issue unless you play low keys or dm what you shouldnt DM

Tbf

[alpine nebula]

low keys = weekly 10

and holding DM/KB again is just wasting power

would rather have something else

[lime crypt]

Came back after extensive break, checked outlaw, got depressed. Guys tell me that sin is absolute fire for war within

[silk bane]

Solo told me to wait till seris up :((

[runic hinge]

name one time it's not absolutely in OL

[grim jay]

Low keys at this point is everything below like 14
And holding DM for another pack aint wasting power if the impact is way bigger

[grim jay]

I mean sin is pretty good, thats true

And outlaw often is depressing

[lime crypt]

Is it competent for m+ play?

[runic hinge]

yeah, it'll be fine

[lime crypt]

Niceee

[balmy condor]

I mean it works I just have to fix all my imports

[grim jay]

Has everything you need, a tad lower on survivability than the other 2, the rest depends on tuning

[silk bane]

how did it work for you? all my imports directly from game were fucked in mimiron

[lime crypt]

I'll give it some time before deciding to buy sub, low-key glad that rogue is not absolute beast on release as it tends to get triple nerfed shortly after

[balmy condor]

yeah you don't do imports from game you do them from wowhead bro

[lime crypt]

Good old DF treatment

[balmy condor]

game imports are giga fucked

[silk bane]

ah i see i see oki oki ty mr whispyr me learning

[grim jay]

I mean they are still pumping out adjustments, could still end up that way

[balmy condor]

op spec gets nerfed

[lime crypt]

Say that to dh

Grrrr

[balmy condor]

what

[lime crypt]

(I don't know the situation about other classes and what happened to them past half a year)

But that shit was crazy in s3

[balmy condor]

not any crazier than we were

[silk bane]

pretty sure we were better in raid, they were better in keys

[lime crypt]

I'm looking mostly at m+ and I don't remember assa being giga big in there, no?

[silk bane]

but they dont tune based on keys

[lime crypt]

Yeah

Don't get me wrong assa orenerf in s3 was crazy

Loved it

Then I geared that spec and it got nerfed :0

[alpine nebula]

didn't assa take a 6% nerf and fall off the map? IIRC most of that damage was mis-attributed aug damage and being the PI target

and tswifty was an assassination rogue dream

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

They nerfed blindside and KB and then another nerf on top

[balmy condor]

guys it's been less than a year

how are we already forgetting things

[runic hinge]

I'm old

got older today even

[balmy condor]

assa nerf was around 4% in m+

and had nothing to do with aug

aug hooks got fixed week 2

[grim jay]

Forbidden knowledge: you get older every second

[balmy condor]

also has nothing to do with PI

[runic hinge]

source?

[balmy condor]

because they don't tune on PI

[alpine nebula]

welllllllllllllllllll

they shouldn't tune on PI

[balmy condor]

great

glad we agree

[alpine nebula]

and wasn't caustic spatter misattributed that whole tier? let me check

[balmy condor]

no lmao

caustic was already fixed by decemberr

[grim jay]

Got passed down in my clan for generations. Its written with blood on a scroll that the patriarch needs to freshen up before he passes the heritage on to the next head.

[runic hinge]

hmm

[jovial jasper]

not even the wf guilds played assa for tindral xd

[runic hinge]

like shrunken head

[snow kindle]

liquid played sin

on tindral

echo played sub

[vestal cliff]

Sin on tindral was just

[jovial jasper]

one of those is the wf guild and the other isnt

[snow kindle]

you said guilds

[jovial jasper]

lil plural mistake

[snow kindle]

😭

[jovial jasper]

my bad

[lime crypt]

I got traumatized when I had to play sub on smolder

[runic hinge]

one killed tindral first tho

[lime crypt]

Quit the game right after the kill

[jovial jasper]

but nah shitposting aside assa like out of the gate was bigly busted but many people me included did say from day 1 that if assa gets nerfed it has 0 impact on rogue because sub was the second best spec in the entire game

[lime crypt]

Fk that boss and fk sub

[jovial jasper]

if your spec is ever an outlier like that it should always get nerfed

¯_(ツ)_/¯

sometimes it doesnt happen

like fire in nyalotha

[snow kindle]

sin was crazy since you needed nothing to invest into aoe very fun though

[balmy condor]

The craziest thing about season 3 was how sub didn’t get nerfed week after week

[jovial jasper]

idd

[royal lantern]

they allready where at the bottom

get it, cus its name is Sub

i stop

[snow kindle]

did they only nerf sin specifically cause aug/pi was giga for it

[balmy condor]

No

Why do people keep saying that

[grim jay]

Nerfing for aug would literally be peak brainrot

[balmy condor]

Frontal lobe melts into a soup the moment Aug enters consciousness

I swear to god

[drifting cedar]

Do we not pool or wait for envenom to get to 1 sec in aoe?

[balmy condor]

In aoe you have infinite energy

No need to wait for anything

[silk bane]

I thhnk they either felt bad, or it had to do with heroic logs, or player counts or something

cuz yea...

[snow kindle]

idk why else they wouldnt nerf sub

besides that

[balmy condor]

Oversight

[royal lantern]

but Nerfing Aug is giga based

[grim jay]

Real

[steel ridge]

delete aug

should have been done yesterday

[runic hinge]

they just nerfed aug a bunch no?

[snow kindle]

kinda

killed it in m+

[grim jay]

Hopefully

[chilly mist]

finally

[royal lantern]

it still exists, not nerfed enough

[steel ridge]

it has been dead for m+ many times and still came back

[snow kindle]

in raid youll still run 2 but i doubt youll see it in m+

[royal lantern]

holy mother of

[silk bane]

awwww u think that mattered? Dorki was going through some logs from their keys today, aug was sooooo far ahead of the other dps in terms of damage that after a 30% nerf, theyre still ahead

[snow kindle]

20% eobn might nerf and no close to clutch

thats pretty big.

[grim jay]

A man can dream, leave the hopes untouched

[chilly mist]

hope they relax with rogue buffs though, dont want some giga nerf 2 weeks into season 1

[grim jay]

They should rather nerf utility/survivability

[snow kindle]

but still it was rarely the dmg that matter about aug lmao

[silk bane]

they already have.

but aug buffs your tank and healer

[grim jay]

More

[silk bane]

and that counts a lot

hard to nerf "your tank can tank more"

[runic hinge]

aug can buff dn

[silk bane]

or your healer can heal through this thing that woulda killed u otherwise

[grim jay]

I mean you could change values

[silk bane]

i mean they did.

they made aug do a lot of its own damage now

instead of a large part of their damage come from buffing others

and now theyre like the best dps in key

s

so u run them cuz theyre blasting

[grim jay]

No I mean the values of the tank and heal buffs

[grim jay]

Thats kinda fine imo

If they blast they blast

[chilly mist]

@silk bane are you talking beta or prepatch? prepatch doesnt really matter

[silk bane]

beta

[grim jay]

Blasting isnt what secured their spot, every spec can blast

[jovial jasper]

as of this second the strongest spec on beta is ret

[snow kindle]

are there any dungeon in tww that caut is op in

[jovial jasper]

the "fixes" to a certain talent resulted in you having 100% wings uptime

[grim jay]

Cauterize?

[jovial jasper]

permanently in cds

[balmy condor]

I think the funniest thing about people saying sin got nerfed because of pi and Aug is that the only reasonable way to think that’s the case would be to also think blizzard isn’t capable of estimating the impact of things

Like the community and TC’s have the numbers for how much PI matters, how much Aug matters, the Aug hooks all got fixed. But for some reason people are like YO IT GOT NERFED CAUSE OF PI BLIZZARD DOESNT KNOW WE GET PI!!!!!! Like please be so for real lmao are you actually so dentbrained to think blizzard isn’t capable of taking 5 minutes out of their day to estimate PI impact, or better yet just look at the vast public theorycrafting? It’s their job they got a whole team actual 0 critical thinking

[snow kindle]

yes

[alpine nebula]

this is kinda a strawman take

as if blizzard is infallable

we still don't have correct aug attribution according to max

and the same thing happened to demo in ............. S1 I think? or maybe it was shadowlands - huge PI value and they get overnerfed

[jovial jasper]

u are drawing lines where they dont need to be drawn

"oh this spec has good pi value and got nerfed must be nerfed because of pi"

[alpine nebula]

the line is simply that blizzard regularly overnerfs and overbuffs classes

[jovial jasper]

"no other possible explanation !"

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/lines-pastel-gif-12797410

drawing lines

[grim jay]

Seems like you really held back with your wording.

People grasp whatever it is to hate on something they think isnt right. If blizz would balance stuff bcs they are giga with PI, unholy wouldnt even be close to surviving many of the tiers as they did. Almost all the time they gapped others by a decent amount it was because of PI iirc

[balmy condor]

Oh okay you’re gonna play a gotcha on a strawman take but then 3 seconds later appeal to authority

WHY WOULD MAX KNOW WHAT OUR AUG HOOKS ARE LIKE

[jovial jasper]

i will say that their balancing team is also largely clueless and/or disinterested about what goes on in the high end of content

[alpine nebula]

Max isn't talking specifically about assassination

[balmy condor]

I’m not saying they’re infallible either

I literally said blizzard made a tuning oversight

Not 5 minutes ago

[grim jay]

Balance was pretty good these entire tiers for raid brother

[balmy condor]

But you’d be dumb to think blizzard isn’t capable of taking things into consideration when tuning

They literally have to

That’s how tuning works

[alpine nebula]

of course they're doing their best - and I'm not even saying they're stupid/incompetent/etc

[jovial jasper]

its been ok in DF i certainly wouldnt call it good

[balmy condor]

It takes near no effort to quickly eyeball how much PI is affecting specs

[grim jay]

Its been better than in other expansions imo

[jovial jasper]

so because it's been awful before it means it has to be good now

[snow kindle]

i thought df tuning was p good for everyone

[balmy condor]

Like the less reasonable conclusion is that the entire balancing team is just looking at the numbers and woefully, ignorantly, just blasting past it

[royal lantern]

idk why max is used as a source tbh

21th raider MF, not even playing the game

watches his guys do the raid while filling the #21spot and then afk's until the next raid, and people act as if he is the WoW jesus with infinite knowledge about the game

[alpine nebula]

when was the december rogue nerf, I can't find it

[rotund oak]

good morning

are u aware of the deathstalker buff

[alpine nebula]

I'm saying there's literally no way to accurately judge aug power without tooling - and the tooling was deeply flawed right up until the S3 rogue nerf. Kingsbane was nerfed 15% on Dec 5 it looks like

that's the thesis

[balmy condor]

I made a whole ass video what

[rotund oak]

for mastery affecting deathmark?

[grim jay]

Sounds like hating for the sake of hating rn tbh. Tell me, m+ god comp aside, what wasnt well balanced?

[silk bane]

I think its the other way around. blizz made a 4% nerf, people stopped getting PI, their number in deails went down a lot, they thought it was blizz overnerfing

[royal lantern]

some poopstalker stuff affected by mastery, thats all

[balmy condor]

I mean I didn’t mention it but who cares

[rotund oak]

it affects most deathstalker stuff now though

as in the mastery

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s how it works

When things get affected by mastery they are affected by mastery

[runic hinge]

source?

[rotund oak]

yup,hold on gonna log on yt

maybe i missed ur vid

[balmy condor]

I didn’t specifically call out the mastery changes

You won’t find it

[grim jay]

Family clan scroll brother

[balmy condor]

But like it doesn’t really need to be mentioned does it

[runic hinge]

oh yea, i forgo

[rotund oak]

yup ive seen them all

dw jsut sayin'

no panick or anything

wanted to learn if that makes deathstalker even better than before

or its within that .5% range it was mentioned on the vid

(in respect to fatebound)

[balmy condor]

No clue

I mean all the sims I showed were manual overrides they weren’t actual game data

I had to put in the buffs by hand

So its already inaccurate to some extent to begin with

0.5% here or there isn’t really worth mentioning

[jovial jasper]

basically every raid in the early stages (when it mattered) had massive outliers in either direction (unplayably bad or absolutely busted) and this is talking about just damage or healing and not getting into the mandatory utility aspect we had in at least amirdrassil and vault

[grim jay]

Whispyr made fatebound look better because he doesnt want people to mention deathstalker confirmed

[runic hinge]

when it mattered for who? like 40 people??

[jovial jasper]

within the general hof range

no point in talking about anything below

[runic hinge]

no point in balancing the game for .1% of it either

[grim jay]

Based

[jovial jasper]

yes which is why blizzard doesnt do it

[balmy condor]

I actually made fatebound look worse because I left out one or two smaller buff to fatebound cause the spell data was a bit weird and I wasn’t sure exactly what they’d do

[jovial jasper]

doesnt mean i cant personally dislike it

[grim jay]

Meta exists either way for the top end

[runic hinge]

so then balance is good

[jovial jasper]

balance doesnt matter for anyone below like idk

the 2nd round of big nerfs

[grim jay]

So sim sandbagging?

[jovial jasper]

so yea i gues

[grim jay]

It does bcs balance = fun

Game needs to be fun

[balmy condor]

No, sim eyeballing buffs that aren’t in the game yet

[jovial jasper]

doing big damage is fun

not balance

[slim hamlet]

but sub didn't get PI so it's fine

[grim jay]

Yeah for that one group of people

Imagine the game consists of many classes

With many players

[slim hamlet]

Yea but like

Make assa the best one

[grim jay]

Just kidding
Think at this point id prefer fatebound to be better until they fix the issues/QoL on deathboi, even if I prefer it

[rotund oak]

they want deathstalker to be a pvp thing

thats why it has to crawl that way

[grim jay]

You mean bcs they dont balance pvp differently anyways?

[slim hamlet]

All my homies can't wait to try deathstalker

[runic hinge]

PvP is a 4 fun game mode. They don’t even include it in vault anymore like pet battles

[rotund oak]

balancing is compeltely different,design is a 2 part scale,its dynamic

tree applies to the entirety of the game

[grim jay]

Didnt do any late beta m+ just to not be biased on release

[balmy condor]

as much dooming as I do, I think deathstalker is honestly fine like 90% of the time

it's the 10% that REALLY blows

[slim hamlet]

I aint buying that stupid cuckass version

[balmy condor]

I'm over it though

it's not like any of the just boring ass shit is gonna change

[grim jay]

Yeah those 10% kinda do look like an oversight tho

[balmy condor]

I wish they didn't keep buffing mutilate in the mark tuning

[grim jay]

Cant imagine that being what they want it to be

[balmy condor]

I wish the auto damage wasn't a thing

I wish lingering darkness wasn't a thing

but like

nothing I can do

[rotund oak]

ah i wanted to ask u about CT and ST though

will that be a thing?

😅

[balmy condor]

ct as in crimson tempest?

[rotund oak]

yup

[balmy condor]

fuck no

what

[grim jay]

But on the other end, how exciting are fatebound nodes?

[rotund oak]

had nightmares about it,my fear is eliminated

ty

[slim hamlet]

CT will never be ST thing since its change to do more per npc hit

[grim jay]

Main hero tree mechanic aside, even some of the other classes arent really exciting

[slim hamlet]

Holy fuck they gotta buff it to oblivion

[runic hinge]

Yes they should

[grim jay]

Whispyr about to implode

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait to spec FoK and CT talents in sludgefist boss

[rotund oak]

bro is writting a new pin

[balmy condor]

the thing is, fatebound is a boring passive overall, but the talents are interesting within that right? Like mean streak is "boring" but it fits within the coin, double jeopardy is passive but it's flips from stealth. Like the talents themselves are more interesting because they augment what's already there. Deathstalker doesn't have that

[slim hamlet]

So when will someone make this a gif?

[balmy condor]

why the fuck do y'all go feral every time I type

I'm just typing

chill

[slim hamlet]

Slowly

And it's like a roll of the dice

[balmy condor]

sorry I form coherent, thought out opinions before hitting enter I guess

[slim hamlet]

Yea

Personally I just send the first thing that comes to mind, which is clearly better

[balmy condor]

I'll use my 125 word per minute to just spew nonstop rot

[royal lantern]

i just send

no thinking

[royal lantern]

type on CD

[slim hamlet]

It doesn't even reach the mind

Bro is never pooling

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[slim hamlet]

there you go

[rotund oak]

outlaw habibi typing

[grim jay]

Yeah thats kinda true. Overall some potentially random increases that dont really interact with eachother.

[slim hamlet]

Fact, the passives of deathstalker are very boring, but the mark itself is nice imo

[runic hinge]

They made VW 8 energy again, I have slightly less time to type

[grim jay]

Didnt anyone ever tell you that you are most of the time typing menacingly

[slim hamlet]

2 more dumb messages a minute I heard

[grim jay]

[runic hinge]

Damn the triple ping

[balmy condor]

quadruple

[slim hamlet]

quadrouple

yea

[grim jay]

Wish they would buff Volkswagen energy, shit is dying

[runic hinge]

Oh shit

[slim hamlet]

2 of them being Davyn

Classic

[runic hinge]

We’re on our bullshit tonight for sure

[slim hamlet]

Tonight?

[balmy condor]

idk I guess so

[slim hamlet]

I haven't slept yet, it's actually over for me

I give it 2 hours before I crash horrendously

[grim jay]

Might aswell be because you lately choose to ignore bad takes and triggerwords

And people expect you to react if they see you typing right after

[slim hamlet]

Triggerwords sounds like PTSD

No one has asked about crit cap or poison use today

[runic hinge]

It’s just restealth

[grim jay]

I always need to reply, happened so often that people felt attacked because they didnt connect the messages right

[slim hamlet]

Smort

[rotund oak]

hahahahahahaha

laughed so hard on this

[normal mist]

More importantly

https://x.com/discord/status/1818686176166842958?s=19

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Twitter · Jul 31, 2024, 4:32 PM

Now this is the shit

[slim hamlet]

Guys

Remember how we have a talent that gives 2% leech for 1 GCD every 2 minutes?

I just remembered

[grim jay]

Never played dnd even once

[royal lantern]

you are missing big time

[grim jay]

Last time someone said that I had to get a notification of illness and stay home for 2 days

[normal mist]

Only 2 days?

[grim jay]

Well it was food related, nothing broken or anything

[rotund oak]

wdym stepbrother 2% leech while stealthed is pretty important

[slim hamlet]

I cannot fucking believe that they nerfed that talent btw

That is crazy

[rotund oak]

i cant believe it exists tbh

its buffling

[slim hamlet]

I thought it was a placeholder

[normal mist]

They nerfed across the board

[slim hamlet]

Yea with no thought

You simply can't nerf a 5% leech during stealth talent

[dark crag]

It's a placeholder joke that went too far

[slim hamlet]

Like I know why they did it

Doesn't matter tho

[grim jay]

Well tbf if you just nerf everything and buff specific outliers later, its actually a well thought out method that involves less work

[dark crag]

Intern work from a friday 30 sec before closing time

[inner valley]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[sullen fjord]

How are we feeling after buffs? Assa gonna be top DPS again?🥰

[grim jay]

Yeah, we are quintuple gapping everyone else

Its still too early to guess anything tbh

[royal lantern]

im gapping you