assassination

[ruby oyster]

i was already thinking im going insane

[ebon notch]

thats degenerate

[slim hamlet]

I want the numbers that will be at release of TWW Whispyr, can you leak please

[balmy condor]

pre change we're at like 950-990ish

[spice spire]

Numbers of any kind 2 months before season is diabolically sweaty

[balmy condor]

deathstalker

[ebon notch]

i am sweaty

[final star]

guild is called advance, instructions unclear

[slim hamlet]

We are all sweaty, just in different ways

[ebon notch]

you know this

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s why I’m clowning

[ebon notch]

wth

[spice spire]

[final star]

we are being asked tier values, sim numbers and most wanted items already

hit em with the big idk

[balmy condor]

all units be advised, unreachable sim numbers inbound

[spice spire]

Vile

[balmy condor]

standing by

[ebon notch]

cheers

[balmy condor]

looking for numbers from october, status report

[final star]

https://tenor.com/view/shea-whigham-walkie-talkie-serious-gif-15387793

[slim hamlet]

This is crazy work

Like insanity kinda deal

Not to flame but damn

[final star]

it's called being prepared I guess

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[balmy condor]

now the question is, how am I going to hide the numbers on the video

[final star]

wanna get wr20-30

[slim hamlet]

Like the week before

[balmy condor]

that's gonna be tough

[spice spire]

How many hours

[final star]

our splits are being planned lmao

[tacit charm]

Put a dog/cat picture over them

[spice spire]

And speak clearly into the mic

[tacit charm]

No one will notice

[final star]

5 days

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's so much work man

[final star]

so 20?

[elfin void]

important question : how do these buffs affect Lebrons legacy?

[spice spire]

George is wide

[balmy condor]

lebrons cooked bro

[slim hamlet]

Put pictures of monsters and your cat over them, maybe one of these lovely stances too

[final star]

put this over it

[spice spire]

Theres also making unnecessary preparations (now) compared to a better picture (tww release)

[tacit charm]

Cover your entire screen in one dog/cat pic and say it was an accident

[final star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254170190621835264/1113105101675036732/dratnos.gif

[slim hamlet]

Could also put dn over it

[balmy condor]

is that the doctor

[spice spire]

Doctor atnos

[final star]

yes sir

[slim hamlet]

I heckin love DRATTY

[balmy condor]

I see god accidentally moved his jawline into his nose

unfortunate

[brazen lantern]

i cant wait to raid 9 days a week

[slim hamlet]

holy

Didn't have to do him like that

god damn

[slate crown]

Still no on Deathstalker's Mark

[slim hamlet]

Next week for sure

[balmy condor]

are servers already up with changes?

[slate crown]

I just know they're up

I don't know if they have changes

[obtuse socket]

They don't

[balmy condor]

okay

back to doing a billion overrides I go

[slim hamlet]

Well the other classes have a lot of listed bug fixes, so I would expect them to write if they fixed outs too

[balmy condor]

fucking massive despair

[slim hamlet]

I mean

You could also just not

[final star]

[balmy condor]

yeah it's not like I have guides to turn in next week or something and need to cook

you're so real

[slim hamlet]

Idk man

Just ask chatGPT or something

Just ask if you need other tips

[hearty reef]

Love the wounds buff

[slim hamlet]

Guessing it's pretty crisp for m+, specially with CT on top

With exsang

[balmy condor]

probably does near nothing in m+

[hearty reef]

Yeah CT looks cracked now

[pure sparrow]

More energy when you’re already turbo full on energy in m+

[slim hamlet]

More energy is more sanguine no?

[balmy condor]

where are you getting more sanguine from

[slim hamlet]

Well depends on amount of targets

[balmy condor]

if we're getting more sanguine uptime in m+ from venomous wounds

we're also getting more envenom uptime in single target

logical conclusion

[slim hamlet]

yea

From 98% to 98.5%

[balmy condor]

I said that for hyperbole

we don't get 0.5% uptime

the 2% that's missing is in opener

it's 100% after that

[slim hamlet]

Oh

[final star]

[balmy condor]

it's basically just a fat nothing

you get a couple extra envenoms in single target

when you're already 100% uptime

and that's the extent of it as far as I'm concerned atm

[slim hamlet]

I wonder if they just did it for the people that doesnt know how to pool and complain about energy when they try assa for the first time going from outlaw

[slate crown]

Maybe it's a typo and they meant -1 not +1 energy

[ruby oyster]

faster gameplay feels better tho, imo

[balmy condor]

playing the wrong spec for that

[ruby oyster]

i only play assa lol, i just prefer when its faster than currently

[slate crown]

slower gameplay feels better tho, imo

[arctic tusk]

whats the slowest class in the game

[slim hamlet]

This is like the ONLY spec in the game that doesn't use abilities on GCD

[spice spire]

Okay old lady

[slim hamlet]

If you want fast, play legit anything else

[haughty flicker]

dev

[balmy condor]

dev I think

[pure sparrow]

keeping / making sin slow and methodical is the move

p obviously

[slate crown]

[arctic tusk]

where is Sin in the speed tierlist

if dev is lat

last*

[haughty flicker]

above dev and below outlaw and tanks

[slim hamlet]

Like lowest melee but only bottom 30%

it was in s3 at least

[cedar hare]

What do you guys think about the recent buff?

[slim hamlet]

this is s4

[slim hamlet]

It's one of the buffs of all time

[slate crown]

Really faster than ww?

[slim hamlet]

CT buff nice, rest is just numbers

[runic hinge]

Whatever the pin tells me to think

[slim hamlet]

WW is poopoo starved

[slate crown]

ah

[slim hamlet]

afaik

[pure sparrow]

It’s a damage buff, damage buff is good buff

[slate crown]

I don't know much about ww they just sound fast

[slim hamlet]

People complained in s3 at least

[runic hinge]

[pure sparrow]

Can’t say much more than that

[slim hamlet]

all my knowledge is from s3

[twin ermine]

Yeah idk how accurate that stuff is, WW is mashy as hell

[slim hamlet]

WW also got channels

soo

[pure sparrow]

WW is completely reworked going into TWW

any DF apm chart isn’t really worth looking at

[slim hamlet]

fact

What is he cooking

[raven egret]

so, they posted a blue post in the Rogue feedback thread, finally, but surprise, its just a copy paste of the tuning from the general post!

But now we can't say there hasnt been a blue post in our thread lol

[slim hamlet]

What else would it be

[runic hinge]

Damn

[balmy condor]

the only thing I know is that 100% envenom uptime is too high and something has to change for the spec to function, we're just back to season 1 dragonflight again. We're not gonna see any changes regarding that before the expansion releases, but the spec being too fast and envenom uptime being 100% is the core reason we got a rework in 10.2 to begin with, and in that rework they targeted envenom uptime from 4 different angles, they nerfed the duration, they nerfed energy regen, they added talents that eat energy, they nerfed dashing, they nerfed blindside because of energy in season 3

[raven egret]

hey they don't usually bother putting in tuning passes in the feedback thread, pretty sure its just an attempt at telling us 'there, you got a blue post'

[balmy condor]

I'm ready to throw envenom in the fucking bin brother

this fucking button is such a thorn

[slim hamlet]

Why does TtK exist btw?

[balmy condor]

who fucking knows

[slim hamlet]

Fair

[raven egret]

I mean we get to be Envenom bots?

[balmy condor]

ttk exists in a universe where envenom functions the way it's intended to

[slate crown]

What if they just offset envenom's duration or gave it a 6sec cap or made the duration not interact with sanguine strat so all the duration benefits of envenom are the same as they were before in s3

[raven egret]

I just want bleeds that crank!

[slim hamlet]

They saw that one guy cooking TtK yesterday and decided to end their career

[slate crown]

(6sec cap not including pandemic ofc)

[balmy condor]

I mean the idea I always had was making envenom a flat 4 seconds regardless of cp

but the issue is that heavily incentivizes low cp envenoms

especially with chaining

[slim hamlet]

Finishing on low cp sounds disgusting

Would rather have it be like this for sure

[balmy condor]

yeh

I've since moved on from that

[slim hamlet]

I mean it is not easy to fix tbf

[balmy condor]

and I just think envenom needs to go

[pliant remnant]

For sure a take of all time

[limber lion]

Auto-attack buffs :3

My favorite

[haughty flicker]

replace envenom with another bleed ez

[hoary remnant]

LOL this is actually funny

[raven egret]

oh straight up, we there now? Just as a finisher or the buff portion for causing too much friction?

[limber lion]

Venomous Wounds change is so weird to me bro

[slate crown]

Make envenom a poison rupture

[slim hamlet]

Another buff to Hunt Them Down

[limber lion]

They keep going back and forth with it

[slim hamlet]

That single talent will end up being 10% of our dmg

[limber lion]

From 6 to 8 to 7 to 8 or something

like choose a number bro

lol

[slim hamlet]

s3 was nice

[limber lion]

Fuck it, take it to 5

[slim hamlet]

What was it then?

[limber lion]

Can't remember, it's been up and down a bunch

[slim hamlet]

s3 you could definitely drop envenom, specially if you didn't think about rupture beforehand

[manic basin]

Holaaa

Algun español?

[slim hamlet]

huh

[balmy condor]

the buff is a large part of the value of the finisher, but blizzard can't manage to keep the duration down low enough to where it needs to be, so we're constantly stuck at 100% lately. There's 2 ways to deal with it. Nerf the duration, or nerf energy. The energy nerf needed to make a long term lasting difference in uptime is ridiculous, so that's not an option, nerfing the duration isn't an option either we tried that, so it's gotta go

[slate crown]

SPANISH MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT

[slim hamlet]

I don't :(

[slate crown]

Same 😦

[balmy condor]

un poco, pero este discord es ingles

[manic basin]

Puedes pasarme alguno español porfavor?

[manic basin]

Soy nuevo y quiero aprender

[slim hamlet]

no shot whispyr can spanish right?

[manic basin]

Sorry bro

[slim hamlet]

Bro knows every language, or at least his google does

[balmy condor]

es bien, pero tenemos reglas por una razon

[manic basin]

Im noob and i need friends in lol

[manic basin]

Lo siento

[balmy condor]

no hay problema

[slim hamlet]

wait a second

Did we win?

[arctic tusk]

is this the apm

[balmy condor]

my gf is mexican and I took 5 years in cool

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

Damn

[balmy condor]

I'm in no way fluent, especially if I have to listen to native speakers go a million miles an hour or they have an accent it's a little cooked

but I can get by

[slim hamlet]

I see

[balmy condor]

I've talked spanish on stream to chatters before

[slim hamlet]

I took german for 5 years too, but I can barely introduce myself

So that is sick

[balmy condor]

thanking for subs and stuff

answering basics

[slim hamlet]

Ich spreche sehr guten deutsch ja

[arctic tusk]

can u send teh whole link from where u got that

[slim hamlet]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/DF4_Raid.html

[arctic tusk]

ty

[balmy condor]

okay back to cooking

[hoary remnant]

thats roughly 25% nerf

to Ebon might

[slim hamlet]

no shot its thatbig

yea ok

I was like that doesn't make any sense

It's pretty huge, with clutch gone too

Clutch ended up as 10% right?

[woeful meteor]

ye

[slim hamlet]

Maybe aug is only in 95% of keys now

Pretty fucking hype

[pliant remnant]

I'll take it

[candid goblet]

100% of relevant keys

since the armor thing haven't changed

[slim hamlet]

aware

Yea they did get a huge buff by tanks getting nerfed

[limber lion]

Fatebound buffs are based

[slim hamlet]

I will hate myself, playing fatebound in keys ngl

[limber lion]

I hate myself regardless

So no change there

[slim hamlet]

based

just like me fr

[limber lion]

frfr

[slim hamlet]

ong and all that

[hoary remnant]

Its not mandatory anymore to have like 2 for anything but rwf.

[slim hamlet]

idk about that

Max said they are looking 25% better than any other dps

But there still needs 200 buffs and nerfs before release soooo

[final star]

thank god max said it

[austere shore]

I guess there will be tuning continuing in the first few weeks of the expac because it’s still so out of wack

[balmy condor]

you guess?

brother they're gonna be tuning all the way to october

every single week

they're behind schedule and it's crunch time

no breaks

all gas

[austere shore]

I feel like it’s usually pretty chill this close to expac

[balmy condor]

yeah well

[spice surge]

Besides they always tune after the raids are released

[gilded oasis]

not when the xpac isnt readyyy

[ebon notch]

end of heroic week is when shit gets crazy

thats when we get real depression hours

[balmy condor]

usually expansions would also be like 3 months later

war within might be the most rushed expac ever released

most embellishments still don't work brother we got 3 weeks till expac

[royal lantern]

i have a co-worker with the name Max, and he said today that its too hot

finally i can have a opinion on the weather

[ebon notch]

guildie had a bug where very time he reloaded/relogged his embellishments would disappear off his gear

[balmy condor]

and he probably lost 0 dps cause of it

imagine spending your time on beta crafting embellishment gear

only for it to not be implemented

insane work

[royal lantern]

yeha but remember

"we want shorter expansions with faster releases"

totally works out

[pliant remnant]

"we want more money faster"

[balmy condor]

yeah, that would work great if they had like 50% more devs

wow has always had not enough devs for what they want to do

[ebon notch]

or if devs wanted to actually stay there

[balmy condor]

like it's just actually a manpower issue

[ebon notch]

lmao

their turnover rate is bonkers

[royal lantern]

whoa whoa whoa stop right there

who is supposed to pay those guys????

[balmy condor]

ye that too

[subtle tundra]

they had to go ahead and make our apm as close as possible to 60

great blizz

suck my nuts

[balmy condor]

daps I have good news

[royal lantern]

brother, nothing changed there

[balmy condor]

I don't think I can hide numbers

so

you get to eat good

your guild will be happy

[earnest remnant]

[raven egret]

Thats the exact thing I try to explain people, faster release is fine and all, but we wont manage a clean TWW with proper updates across the classes anyway, they clearly do not have enough people to put on the many different things that require attention on top of developping new stuff

[royal lantern]

i mean

most people here know that

most regulars atleast

[ebon notch]

how come

[balmy condor]

too much work

[ebon notch]

want me to close my eyes?

[balmy condor]

I tried hiding the numbers for 10.2 as well

[royal lantern]

what numbers

[balmy condor]

and some guy went and downloaded the video and went frame by frame

and found the url

[ebon notch]

no shot

[balmy condor]

yeh

people will find the numbers if they want I guess

near impossible to hide

ah whatever

I'll do a big disclaimer about it

and pray it's enough

to stave off the degenerates

[spice surge]

(its not gonna be enough)

[ebon notch]

im not a degenerate

[spice spire]

Just like me fr

[spice spire]

Okay fotm

[balmy condor]

yeh but your guild for sure is

[spice spire]

Mf literally names his characters fotm then says he isn’t a degen

[ebon notch]

wtf

[royal lantern]

WHAT NUMBERS

[spice spire]

Ur mom’s number bud

[ebon notch]

:3

[runic hinge]

The numbers mason what do they mean

[austere shore]

Is he talking about Sim numbers?

[royal lantern]

FoK on single target

or what degen shit is comming

[earnest remnant]

yes

[ebon notch]

nothing wrong with fotm

[austere shore]

Sim numbers just don’t matter that much

[balmy condor]

I mean they kinda do, but I agree

problem is other people live and die by those numbers

[austere shore]

Not gonna craft a meta raid comp by looking at the highest sim numbers

[ebon notch]

where's my spec tierlist

[balmy condor]

your what

sir

[hardy venture]

Sorry if this has been answered, but I wanted to ensure I am looking at this correctly.

If it is Pure Single target, the opening is: Garrote > Echoing > Rupture correct?
Not Garrote > Rupture > Echoing > Rupture?

[spice surge]

You say that, but theres 10000% a lot of guilds that do this

[earnest remnant]

spice tirlist

[subtle kiln]

All the sub rogues coming to assa after, checks notes, a nerf

[balmy condor]

yes

[spice spire]

Mental Illinois

[balmy condor]

no but like actually can you fix this that's a slur

[subtle kiln]

Get my state out of your mouth

[ebon notch]

amerika eggsplain

[ebon notch]

OH FUCK

im very sorry

[earnest remnant]

whatever makes you enjoy the game more

[balmy condor]

allg

[earnest remnant]

if that is fotm rerolling, then do that, if its shitting on outlaw (a noble endeavor) then by all means do that

[shy pecan]

smh my head

[balmy condor]

2 apm btw

in single target

from venomous wounds

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

deathstalker is going from 49 to 51

huge massive change

very feelable

[spice surge]

VV rising

[earnest remnant]

very big feels, amazing guys like me and @gusty mirage can feel the difference between 2% haste, we are not the same

[ebon notch]

im only calibrated to 2.5% haste

unfortch

[onyx linden]

What's the deal with catalyst and catchup gear? I got a shoulder piece but catalyst doesn't work?

[shy pecan]

Depends on the item. If it’s like TW stuff, it won’t work iirc?

[onyx linden]

It's the stuff from the event

radiant echoes

[shy pecan]

Ah. Maybe bugged or something then? Haven’t tried those pieces

[subtle kiln]

probably not on the cata list yet

It’s not s4 gear

[shy pecan]

Yeah, they might have forgotten to flag them since I’m guessing they should be okay ilvl wise

[cerulean nest]

now that we take improved ambush in raid we're actually ambushing now right?

not mut at all times

[balmy condor]

blindside replaces mut

you can't avoid ambushing

[cerulean nest]

i feel like I lose a GCD sometimes coming out of stealth bc of that

what button do you actually put on your bar?

[balmy condor]

mut

only time we're casting ambush from stealth is for deathstalker

so you could have it separate if you'd like

that would solve your stance issue if only a bit

[runic hinge]

Now that subterfuge is gone (not taken) I don’t get the input lag on the stance switch

[sudden brook]

st reamer how much buff is sin

[earnest remnant]

more than 1%

np

[humble ginkgo]

27% according to some rough napkin math.

[silk bane]

np

[balmy condor]

your napkin math sucks

[slim hamlet]

at least like 200dps

[silk bane]

it was fast math. never said accurate math

why u hatin

[errant trail]

kingsbang

[slim hamlet]

14%

No 12.8%

[random belfry]

so is fatebound or deathstalker looking better? Or is that still kind of up in the air right now?

[strange python]

Everything is in the air

[slim hamlet]

We will see after they tune it 20x more before the expansion

[random belfry]

gotcha

[strange python]

Besides love, that shit is buried 10 feet under

[random belfry]

hunting for some peace of mind after ret got torn to shreds

[balmy condor]

16.7% for fatebound, 10.7% for deathstalker

[strange python]

good.

[balmy condor]

somewhere in that range at least

[bright cipher]

i had hopes they would do something tangible for you guys

like beyond just "haha number is bigger"

[wide sand]

thats the 11.0.5 waiting room stuff

[balmy condor]

the breakdown of that is basically 2% from venomous wounds, 9ish for the aura/auto buff, 6% to fatebound directly

[bright cipher]

11.0 would be the next window i think

.5 will be balancing things

[wide sand]

or 11.0.7. at least in DF ret got reworked i think in the first .7 patch

[velvet ridge]

do we enjoy the gameplay? is it fun? idc about all these numbers, i hope its gameplay i enjoy, and not some crazy shenanigans

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait forthe alchemist spec in 11.1.5

[next spruce]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[ebon notch]

whispyr what are the strengths of fatebound vs deathstalker

are there any niches that would make you pick one over another in certain situations

[slim hamlet]

deathstalker more prio/funnel, deathstalker makes it harder to swap

[onyx rain]

caustic spatter broken rn?

[slim hamlet]

For what?

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[onyx rain]

just not showing in details during a key

[slim hamlet]

Haven't heard about that

Man I will miss the everbloom branch trinket

Goated trinket

[sly phoenix]

lol

[earnest remnant]

so confidently wrong

garbage ass trinket

[slim hamlet]

Fucking love that trinket

[earnest remnant]

all the homies love ashes

[slim hamlet]

All my homies love branch

[earnest remnant]

all the plebs like branch

[slim hamlet]

Ashes is pleb play

only the strong play branch

[earnest remnant]

[nova kelp]

bruh... ashes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branch and it's stupid little orbs of fuck you and your visual clutter

[runic hinge]

Enjoy picking up balls while I light myself on fire

[slim hamlet]

I mean

If you were looking at the orbs you were doing it wrong

So that would make sense

[spice surge]

Good thing theres a new trinket with similarly annoying stuff like branch

It does have a 90s cd though, so prob not a thing on assa

[slim hamlet]

pause

Oh

idk I like things to think about

[nova kelp]

no there's not, there's BAIT with similarly annoying stuff like branch

[slim hamlet]

Branch was only bait if you didn't use it right

You didn't have to run around for 30 seconds on assa

[nova kelp]

yeah, and you could duck and weave through spinning helicopter blades "if you do it right"

[slim hamlet]

You only had to run for like 8 seconds or something

take one, go to the other, stay still

goated

[nova kelp]

chad ashes > virgin branch

[slim hamlet]

Ashes on tindral fo sho

prolly also fyrakk but didnt play

[hollow helm]

Fatebound still fake?

[slim hamlet]

no

[sly phoenix]

its real

[slim hamlet]

Sounds like it's better than deathstalker now

[fleet pagoda]

hero talents having an anime showdown, they just keep powering up to be stronger than the other

[sly phoenix]

mortal strike nerfed 😦 noooo

[balmy condor]

did you use deadly poison

[onyx rain]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[strange python]

How long do you have left in hell?

[balmy condor]

2 weeks

[balmy condor]

is that a no

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[balmy condor]

quick re-pin after edits

[slim hamlet]

Fatebound in dungeons

[balmy condor]

fatebound in dungeons is about the best outcome you can ask for imo

[slate crown]

I would not want to play deathstalker in dungeons

[slim hamlet]

I will hate myself more than usual every time my tank stands afk for 10 seconds after I get capstone

Also deathstalker sounds cool for dungeons

[balmy condor]

well it's definitely the better of the two hating yourself options

considering if you lose your deathstalker mark during a fight

it's 2 min without a hero talent

:)

[slim hamlet]

idk man, just don't lose it

[slate crown]

Don't tell me how to deal with my problems (you're right)

[balmy condor]

mists first boss, you dps the tree, the tree goes friendly, you burst the main boss

1. you have to target swap, which sucks for deathstalker

2. if the mark is on the tree when he turns friendly, all debuffs disappear, including the mark, you don't get the capstone, gg

[slim hamlet]

Yea I did say that I would despise it in fights where you have no choice but otherwise it sounds very nice

[slate crown]

Yeah that's a big hold-vanish fight

[balmy condor]

necrotic wake 3rd boss with the hook, same thing

necrotic wake last boss the intermission you have to run a gauntlet

[slate crown]

Stop

[balmy condor]

if you're a bit on the slower side with that

goodbye hero talent

second to last boss in the raid, the bosses jump away during intermission and you have to dps a shield

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure you can either pre-cloak or vanish last boss necrotic

[balmy condor]

same problems

[slim hamlet]

How much dmg are hero talents currently?

[spice surge]

Even if you do youll still die 40s later

afaik

[slim hamlet]

Like if you just didn't have it

like 15%?

[silk bane]

youre not vanishing for improved garrote anyways. vanish for the mark ez

[balmy condor]

if you don't have the mark at all you're losing around 13% atm

[slim hamlet]

Oh

I swear I was vanishing that

He looked at who he would tp and you could vanish

[balmy condor]

actually might be more than 13% now

post buff

maybe like 16%

[spice surge]

Lovely stuff

[balmy condor]

also the whole capstone resetting thing

is very strange

had a huge discussion earlier with some cooks

but like

if you don't caustic your big envenoms

and you don't have the mark up

and you don't have singular focus up (assuming its supposed to do damage)

you're losing out on a ton

and target swapping with it is insanely hard

[slim hamlet]

Idk

[balmy condor]

so either things start dying and you're swapping and can't get both caustic and the mark up at the same time

or you're swapping early and it's weird too

[sudden brook]

ITS A SIN TIER

ITS OVER FOR SUB

[slim hamlet]

Deathstalker makes no restealth feel bad (yes haha restealth lulw, still feels bad even if it doesn't matter that much) and fatebound makes long runs between packs feel bad

[earnest remnant]

yeh dude the 1% buff to sub

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/based-shark-talking-kattes-pensionat-roliga-hajen-mega-based-shark-talking-mega-based-shark-gif-14137702971313931468

[balmy condor]

I've played like 20-25 keys on beta, most of which were deathstalker trying to make it work

and it was not a fun experience

[balmy condor]

the thing is, deathstalker doesn't want restealths

[slim hamlet]

Yea but you are forgetting an important detail

I like weird shit

[slim hamlet]

huh

What about the whole marking from stealth thing

[balmy condor]

having to ambush during your carnage window

[slim hamlet]

Oh you mean just chain

[balmy condor]

sucks really bad

[slim hamlet]

Before your target dies?

[slate crown]

You only want restealths if you lose the mark

[balmy condor]

target dying gives capstone

[slate crown]

if you don't mobs die and you get capstone

[balmy condor]

you take that to the next pack

[slate crown]

and you're good

[slim hamlet]

Yea that is literally NEVER happening with pug tanks

[slate crown]

capstone is 30s

[balmy condor]

yeh

[slim hamlet]

Ahhhh

ok it was a bit different than I remembered

[spice surge]

This is probably another case of it not actually being that horrible numerically, but it just feels horrendous

[slim hamlet]

I thought it was on consuming the last stack

AKA it had to be alive with the stack

[balmy condor]

I mean on like shorter 5/8 target aoe pulls it's like a solid 2.5% down if it weren't for all the stuff deathstalker gives

like it's entirely worth applying

but it's also a pretty ugly loss to begin with

[spice surge]

Ye ofc

[balmy condor]

that is sort of worst case though

[slim hamlet]

That is also overall dmg where you get more prio

[spice surge]

My point was that it feels a lot worse than 2.5%

[balmy condor]

yeah

feels horrible

[slim hamlet]

Make IC 10 seconds again

[spice surge]

The IC window is fine

Especially if you have bonespike

Then it feels real good, too bad doomblade exists

[slim hamlet]

Yea it's perfect, now you just might have to wait until they get grouped again

[fleet pagoda]

so should I just make an ambush/focus macro for deathstalker m+?

[slim hamlet]

Before you could 100% of the time just go when first pack is pulled

Bonespike sounds so nice

[hardy venture]

Hello! Quick question that I didn't see an explanation for in the guide: Why do you spam Garrote during an AoE opener? Is it to extend the Imp Garrote?

[slim hamlet]

To apply garrote on more targets and for combo points

You don't use it on the same target

[spice surge]

Garrote isnt applied to all targets, its only 3 (assuming you have indescriminate carge specced)

[slim hamlet]

Read "Indiscriminate Carnage" talent and it makes more sense

[hardy venture]

With Indiscriminate I imagine you only need to press it once then?

[slim hamlet]

If you only pull 3 mobs yes?

[fleet pagoda]

It has smart targeting so in a 5 mob pull you can garrote one target twice to get all 5 targets, too.

[slim hamlet]

If anything over then it's probably fine to press again, because of Shrouded you get 3cp from it so after 2 garrotes you can use rupture

[hardy venture]

Was my next question ❤️

[spice surge]

Well you "waste" one garrote by doing it that way

On 5 targets it doesnt matter

[slim hamlet]

Not 100% if you wanna do it on 4, but definitely on 5+

[sudden brook]

I CANT WAIT TO SHIV ALL TIER

[spice surge]

But on 6 targets it wouldnt be as good

[sudden brook]

SHIV KINGSBANE DEATHMARK

[slim hamlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1173737112022028288/ZacFetchRavenholdt3.gif?ex=65650ade&is=655295de&hm=420b8439ec1fb31f8461475a8b2a33fda5412580f3a170872f1ff278f87999fa&

We are gonna need this for Guy

[spice surge]

You know youre gonna end up with the annoying treacherous transmitter trinket playing dust sub in the end

[slim hamlet]

BUT HELL YEA SHIVING AND KINGSBANING

[spice surge]

Thats just how the cookie crumbles nowadays

[sudden brook]

You will be blocked for saying this

[slim hamlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254170190621835264/1113105101675036732/dratnos.gif

[nova kelp]

holy fuck

[earnest remnant]

history is gonna repeat itself and you know this Guy

Assa good first 2 weeks

then its back to sub

[haughty flicker]

as it is written

[slim hamlet]

and Outlaw can have fun in m+

[haughty flicker]

so it shall be

[earnest remnant]

nah they can let them be in the dumpster they came from

[nova kelp]

be careful how you apply that fun word

[wicked tundra]

is this accurate? found it in mage discord
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x_eC4oAAMABGneSScQtfcdRtPcPt4M4I3593DbFCA_E/htmlview?gid=0#gid=0

[slim hamlet]

holy flashbang

What in gods name is this

[slim hamlet]

Bro is giving star ratings

From 1-2000

[haughty flicker]

i need to know what the rules behind the stars are

why does demo get 15 stars

[slim hamlet]

Probably decently, it was ~950k before and got 10-11ish% buff

[slim hamlet]

Don't think about it

random.org

[haughty flicker]

i must know

[spice surge]

Theres absolutely no info on what the sheet is trying to convey

Or what its based on

Its just random numbers innit

[slim hamlet]

It is literally random.org

[nova kelp]

but is it accurate!?

[slim hamlet]

maybe it's not damage per second

but bitches per year

[haughty flicker]

its star power

thats why demo gets 15

[slim hamlet]

Shouldn't balance have more

or something

Why are some of them red and others green

[haughty flicker]

no

their stars are falling all the time

[sudden brook]

[slim hamlet]

Why are some exempts from getting stars

[haughty flicker]

therefore they dont have any

red is bad

[slim hamlet]

Why is aug 2 star red

[haughty flicker]

but you get many bad stars

[slim hamlet]

sounds made up

[gilded oasis]

woah wowhead got a new homepage

[slim hamlet]

Oh shit nvm we have a lot of green stars

It's accurate

[slim hamlet]

Like a week ago or more

Oh nvm they changed some minor stuff

[gilded oasis]

I havent played the game in like a month

so I havent been to wowhead

[slim hamlet]

smh my head

[gilded oasis]

sorry been grinding that Tarisland (and remix)

[slim hamlet]

Personally been grinding DBD

so much fun :))))))))

[nova kelp]

DBD?

TIL I adore @slim hamlet

even if they're a virgin branch enjoyer

[slim hamlet]

Wait what have I done

[slim hamlet]

Dead By Daylight

[nova kelp]

played a gigachad game

[slim hamlet]

Oh

Yea definitely gigachad

I agree

Definitely always having fun playing it :)

[cerulean nest]

what do the two trees look like in terms of burst/sustain/execute damage profiles etc.

[slim hamlet]

Would be suprised if there is a difference that matters

[tropic cedar]

[strange python]

Do not check sub

[fast jewel]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[tough gorge]

So fatebound for ass and trickster for sub. Never have to do deathstalker, nice

[limber lion]

Yup

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/the-green-mile-gif-231239496849716081

[lone parrot]

deathrolling but you cant lose

[tough gorge]

Sounds like itd be a cool monk hero tree "deathrolling".

[lone parrot]

ww monk is a fun class to play

[pliant remnant]

Thank you Jimothy

[onyx linden]

Does Incadence essence still drop? Just did a gnarlroot on a character and got nothing

[lone parrot]

You're welcome. If ever you need me to tell you if a class is fun to play, I'll be there

I've played 6

[runic hinge]

You have the quest?

[onyx linden]

Yeah apparently I had already picked it up and just had to go inside raid to get the next quest, didnt notice

[runic hinge]

I’m glad it worked out for you

[raven egret]

Well, is it?

[lone parrot]

which class

[raven egret]

There are others?

[lone parrot]

a couple

only melee classes are real classes

"oooh look at me im ranged dps, i dont have to worry about melee mechanics, oooh so hard to play because cast time"

boohoo

[raven egret]

ok so only Sin and Sub. We all know outlaws just roll dices its not really a melee spec

wait without acro... maybe they are now....

[strange python]

They shoot guns

Not melee

[raven egret]

Smart

[lone parrot]

100 percent of all outlaw rogues quit before they get good dps

[rotund oak]

its not about dps though,its about making no sense

doesnt matter if u can do good dps and die twice every min or so

Its crazy how Whispyr made a vid at 3:00 in the morning and did all the notes n stuff

bro deservers a medal

[earnest remnant]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[neat plank]

so uhm 😛

why does deathstalker's mark have to have such a short duration that makes it fall off sometimes? 🙂 seems completely arbitrary, should just be infinite duration

[runic hinge]

Is this about killing spree

[runic hinge]

Should be a self buff so we can target change and not lose it on intermission

[neat plank]

that would be even better quality of life, but make less sense lore wise :p

[runic hinge]

Yeah well I want it to be functional and we can worry about lore or tooltips or talent names later

[neat plank]

true, gameplay first

[rotund oak]

yes

[dense socket]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[ripe carbon]

i have problem that garrote wont reup in the bar, i think cause of deathmark garote? any fix for this ?

like i apply garrote and it keeps staying at 4secs remaining or whatever and then after that finishes it goes to the reapplied one

[slate crown]

Are you sure you're looking at garrote and not the iron wire debuff on your nameplates?

They share an icon

[ripe carbon]

ill try work it out whats happening... its a weak aura for 'garrote' as 'name'

a progress bar one

[slate crown]

Oh

[ripe carbon]

like i dont know exactly wats happening but i thought it was something like deathmark garrote

[slate crown]

Instead of "garrote" use 703

[ripe carbon]

ok thx

[slate crown]

(Still in the Name field)

[ripe carbon]

oh not under spell id?

[slate crown]

Yes, Name field

[ripe carbon]

kk

ya im pretty sure thats fixed

[errant trail]

everytime im in here

i get big'

[ripe carbon]

is there one for rupture? incase it does it for that too?

[slate crown]

1943

[ripe carbon]

kk ty

[slate crown]

FYI if you want those numbers you can use the IdTip addon, adds all of those numbers to tooltips for spells in game. Can also look up the spells on wowhead, the spell id will be in the url.

[ripe carbon]

kk ty

[willow grotto]

for the deathstalker assa, it would be so much better if it was the garrot from stealth that applied the mark

Especially for MM+

[grim jay]

Kinda late but I think like 385ish

[grim jay]

"so much" is a stretch, but it would be better if it was generators in general

[grim jay]

How did you come to that conclusion? (late reply)

They can buff deathstalker any minute. Id not bank on anything yet

[kindred breach]

Waking up to 3rd round of buffs holy my copium is at max level

[royal lantern]

not much better at all because the painpoints dont go away?

[grim jay]

Idk balancing most of the time isnt the issue

[kindred breach]

Yup thats what i'm seeing

Was hoping for more debugs

But we'll do with it i guess...

[grim jay]

Yeah some fixing and QoL stuff would be appreciated

If hero talents stay as is with fatebound being better its probably okeyish for sin

[kindred breach]

With actual state of deathstalker i can only agree I'm happy with it

I just hope it doesn't mean blizz is giving up on fixing this damn tree

[slim hamlet]

Who​ summoned me

Why is it so hard finding out on phone

[slim hamlet]

GET TO WORK!​

[runic hinge]

I’ll show you a pain point

(It’s my lower back)

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-serious-gif-15276483

[sharp viper]

my neck, my back

[slim hamlet]

Lick my poison and my crimson tempest

[fiery fable]

how are assassination rogues looking for tww?

[slim hamlet]

Gameplay it sure exists, fatebound just plays how you play now more or less, deathstalker people dislike.

For numbers we will know in a bit over a month

[acoustic sky]

Are there still bugs in the spec ?

[balmy condor]

Many

[lone parrot]

they are features, not bugs

[static glacier]

Whispyr have you slept

[balmy condor]

Sadly

Against all odds, I continue to wake up every day

[static glacier]

Another day to try and figure out hero talent buffs in sims 🙂

[bitter crow]

aren't you on vacation?

from the pinned message you said you weren't home :/

[balmy condor]

Correct

[bitter crow]

dude, go get some rest :<

[slim hamlet]

I thought you called it hell

[balmy condor]

What would rest accomplish

[slim hamlet]

Real

[worldly sail]

they invented resting after running out of monster

[balmy condor]

I have more than enough time to sleep when I’m dead

[slim hamlet]

Sleep sounds like propaganda made for the weak

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/every-day-every-day-i-wake-up-i-wake-up-marriage-story-marriage-story-wake-up-gif-19948669

[runic hinge]

Me_irl

[grim jay]

Based

Imagine there are people sleeping 7-9 hours a day

[sharp viper]

sheeple

[runic hinge]

Yeah it’s me. A real snoozer

[grim jay]

Idk when I last had 7h on a weekday

[orchid pewter]

If i dont get 7 hours i am outlaw after acro removal

[grim jay]

I need atleast 3-4

[orchid pewter]

3-4 is deadge territory

My body doesnt function if sleep that little

[slim hamlet]

2-4 is where you're alive enough to wake up and do shit and then randomly through the day you just get smacked hard and you're unable to remember your name

[orchid pewter]

Alive but without brain

[kind forge]

had 3h of sleep this night (: neighbor is on vacation and his insert swearing here little spawn teenage son decided to have a party in his flat

i'm pretty angry today

also was stuck more than a hour in a traffic jam

[slim hamlet]

Same, but I aint got any excuse I'm just a dumbass

[orchid pewter]

When you think you are fine with 4 hours of sleep

But you really are not

[slim hamlet]

I am

But need nap later fo sho

[rotund oak]

u will have to wait for it many decades though

we need more guides

[fallen arch]

As it’s looking now we play fatebound in m+ no?

[balmy condor]

probably

less cringe to play, better damage

[slim hamlet]

Theyre just randomly gonna buff deathstalker by 5% next week again

[normal mist]

Let them just keep upping numbers every week until we are just op but with cringe hero talents

[slim hamlet]

Classic really

Then it's like post rework with lots of people complaining about gameplay with pooling, but everyone rerolling it anyways

[slow needle]

@balmy condor I looked at the time. It was indeed very normal.

Thank you for the video xD

[balmy condor]

normal people time :)

[rotund oak]

what was more normal is drinking energy drink that specific time

😅

[slow needle]

A nice refreshing beverage xD

[hoary remnant]

Oh please I hope so. Playing Deathstalker in keys is pretty painful. Fatebound is afk gaming in m+.

[grim jay]

The trick is to be enough of a bigbrainer if you had enough sleep to still be one if you didnt

[grim jay]

Thats probably what it is for Whispyr at this point, body too used to it

[rotund oak]

they should sponsor whispyr tbh

idk what company it is(assuming its monster)

thats too smol to be a redbull

[static glacier]

hey @balmy condor want me to make ur day worse ?

[grim jay]

Wdym too small to be a Red Bull

[balmy condor]

a terrifying question

[static glacier]

say yes

[balmy condor]

yes

[normal mist]

Damn

[balmy condor]

do I need lube

[static glacier]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x_eC4oAAMABGneSScQtfcdRtPcPt4M4I3593DbFCA_E/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah I've already seen that

[static glacier]

bruh

AHAHAHAHAH

[balmy condor]

absolute fucking clown fiesta

[static glacier]

we're ★★★★★★★★ tier now

[balmy condor]

from what I can tell

the stars are just based on the increase from the buffs

[normal mist]

And this is not even our final form

[static glacier]

but like

[balmy condor]

more stars being bigger increase, green being buff, red being nerf

but idk what they mean

they're almost close enough to be sim numbers, it's ballpark in that range

[slim hamlet]

How big nerfs/what changes do we need for you to shotgun another monster btw Whispyr

[static glacier]

balance having 7 ★ is not the same as a spec that started off higher having 7★

[slim hamlet]

Or maybe even doing a monster pong

[static glacier]

its so cooked

[rotund oak]

was a joke

[static glacier]

it's like pretending ele wasn't going to get nerfed out of existence or thinking OL would stay 20% below everyone

[balmy condor]

dude I wanted to play beer pong with monsters for blizzcon and invite a bunch of rogues

big monster pong tournament

[rotund oak]

redbulls are smol normally,monsters are that big

[balmy condor]

but heckin blizzard no blizzcon

[slim hamlet]

That's some real gamer behaviour

I'd game that for sure

[static glacier]

why'd they cancel it

[grim jay]

Dang considering your age I thought you would mean brand worth or something

[balmy condor]

no cule

just said they weren't doing one this year

[static glacier]

makes sense, they dropped the whole trilogy of expacs last time

this one would be a dissapointment + they comitted to faster content release

so mightaswell just work

[rotund oak]

im old not toxic bruh

[vestal wren]

thats why i got a ★

[balmy condor]

true

[slow needle]

If you make a copy you can unhide column E and see what the buff values are.

[balmy condor]

yeh

I just don't get where they're getting their numbers from

the assa one makes it seem like it's fatebound simulated numbers

but fatebound is still behind in sims

so idk why they're using fatebound numbers

idk

[vestal wren]

its just not a great presentation

[balmy condor]

all these dumb fucking beta sheets

[static glacier]

you got grey

[balmy condor]

I'm not gonna waste my time trying to understand them

[royal lantern]

number/bar (or now, ammount of fucking stars) big = good

[slim hamlet]

I thought that spreadsheet was a meme because of the "validated by echo and liquid"

[subtle kiln]

Excuse me, there are ZERO stars on that sheet for sub. No stars for you, just a participation award.

[bronze pike]

More stars pls

[grim jay]

You are a star

Thats enough

[bronze pike]

[vestal wren]

you are mean, thats why you got a empty star in your name now

[shadow badger]

[bronze pike]

OOOOOOO

[shadow badger]

are there half stars

[bronze pike]

Look at this guy! He has 0 stars!!!

[shadow badger]

worse

hes devoid of stars

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/star-glue-remove-spongebob-gold-star-gif-4943635

Fuu really went like that

[vestal wren]

there are tiny stars, look at your name

[royal lantern]

it legit reads like some total meme shit lol

[slim hamlet]

Yea but the numbers looked pretty correct so was confused

[gloomy pasture]

whats our leveling build, the wowhead guide isnt updated

[shadow badger]

im feelin small all the sudden

[slim hamlet]

The talents that look most interesting

You will maybe level like 5 minutes faster from worst to best build

Prolly sudden demise as a capstone at least but yea

[subtle kiln]

Just like my soul

[subtle kiln]

On rogue … it’s called use a boost.

[royal lantern]

idk, just use a m+ build, they are aoe focused and leveling is mostly pulling some stuff togheter lol

[balmy condor]

What

How isn’t it updated

I spent so long on that piece of shit page

[gloomy pasture]

LOL or atleast its

bugged

or something

[slim hamlet]

Time to do it again lil bro

[balmy condor]

GOD FUCK

Blizzard messing with the god damn import string again

Gotta do the whole annotation from scratch again

Fuck this expac man

Literally nothing works

[slim hamlet]

Just pop a chocy milk

Or maybe even a monster

It will all be fine

[sharp viper]

caffeinated chocy milk

[balmy condor]

I lack toes

No chocy for me

[sharp viper]

chocy soy/almond milk then

chocy finds a way

[balmy condor]

True

[slim hamlet]

Popping a chocy always helps

[rain mortar]

Wow I just watched the new video whispyr. You’re kind of like Jesus. Instead of delivering us from evil you e delivered us from echoing reprimand

[static glacier]

How would one even macro it

[slim hamlet]

I have read that message 10+ times now and I still don't understand ngl

[rain mortar]

#showtooltip mutilate
/cast cold blood
/cast mutilate

[slim hamlet]

Oh we just talking about cold blood

[rain mortar]

Yeah he said we can take cold blood now instead of ER

[slim hamlet]

Yerp

[tawny junco]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[stark musk]

Someone give me nice plater addon

Oh wait

[slim hamlet]

Macro can see the future confirmed

[stark musk]

Literally

[slate crown]

incredible

[slim hamlet]

Any words @tawny junco ?

Damn, so mysterious and cool

[tawny junco]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-sunglasses-swag-penguin-with-gif-16750310532275184604

[slate crown]

Still no words, amazing.

[slim hamlet]

Truly

[normal mist]

We've been saying that for a long time now

It just was not optimal

[balmy condor]

I didn't think I needed to mention that cold blood was like 1% behind

because usually dps down = BAD UNPLAYABLE

but there's legit so many people that can't stand ER

I was blown away by how many people hate it

[normal mist]

I still don't understand why

But I didn't try beta so idk if anything with cps differs there

[balmy condor]

it's basically no gameplay imo, you just press it on cooldown and play normally, get a couple extra finishers

but ER gets more hate than shadow dance or cold blood

which is just insane to me

[normal mist]

It even makes sense with Fatebound, just fits in the arcane theme and all ahahah

(Fatebound DMG is arcane right?)

[slate crown]

Cosmic

[slim hamlet]

This is a fact?

[slim hamlet]

Also this, why do people hate ER? It's legit just "click finisher when blue point lights up"

You don't have to think about it and it has 60sec duration you aint ever missing out on it

[slate crown]

I'm going to say this in full speculation but

[grim jay]

I mean its kinda surprising how many people actually feel pressured by that humongous window to trigger the charged cps

[slate crown]

I believe the hatred stems from it being an extra button to press

[slim hamlet]

But

[slate crown]

It's just an extra keybind, that's the root

[slim hamlet]

We lost like 20 buttons since our rework

[slate crown]

Doesn't matter

[slim hamlet]

?????

You lose dance, you get ER

Madge

[slate crown]

Yah

[slim hamlet]

I am malding now

[grim jay]

Nah they talk about not liking the minigame

And how bad that is

[slim hamlet]

Yea that is what I heard most

But that is just a knowledge issue

[slate crown]

My point is I don't believe that

[normal mist]

To be fair, my kb was macroed into SD, which means I didn't lose a button

[slim hamlet]

People think you only got like 10 sec to use them

[slate crown]

I think the root of it is from the keybind, then they say the minigame to make up a reason to hate it

[slim hamlet]

[slate crown]

Because it's so unintrusive and also isn't really a minigame because you don't aim for it at all

[normal mist]

My macro is now just kb

[normal mist]

Sounds pretty arcane to me

[grim jay]

But why should they make it up if the actual reason is established since SL s1

People hating on the minigame is nothing new

[slim hamlet]

But like, we lost sepsis, SBS, Exsang, Shadow Dance, and IC

Surely you can live with having ER on your bars

[slate crown]

Yeah, I don't actually understand

[balmy condor]

anything to avoid playing around your class's resources I guess

[slim hamlet]

Me based still having IC on bar