assassination

[cinder bone]

Yeah if anything im surprised they dont charge for early access on maintenance day yet

[rain mortar]

I know nothing about making video games - but it does surprise me literally every major patch it takes longer than they expect. You’d think they would say it’s going to be REALLY long and then pleasantly surprise people if it’s only a little long. But alas - always the same haha

[hallow pelican]

100% this has something to do with the data fetch for warbands. I bet its looping somewhere and they cant find it so people cant log in

[past forum]

https://tenor.com/view/engineering-engineer-trust-me-im-gif-18131208

[tepid trench]

extended to 9 pdt

sadge

[spice lagoon]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-rogues/1870413/540

is this all true?

[main solar]

sounds like some chatgpt trying to make patch notes

[short flint]

I only do m+ and normally at a relatively high level so i find im already mentally occupied with mechanics and co-ordinating cc and all the choas going on. Energy isnt an issue in big pulls but when u transition to bosses and sit there with virtually no energy and pooling for your next 1 minute kind of very disengaging. Maybe the idea of no energy is over the top.. I just noticed they have more or less removed it as a resource for all classes but us and warriors now (mana etc) being tied to dps so i thought it was an option. perhaps a more reasonable option is adding a talent somewhere that increases energy regen in a way that wont destablize raiding. I dunno was just thinking outloud. I just dont like the feeling of stacking crit mastery cause its so mcuh more dmg and always having bosses feel like im stuck on a 2 sec gcd (espec with the haste trinket effect)

[sudden brook]

what

[spice lagoon]

@sudden brook

[sudden brook]

Is what true

[normal mist]

Oh boy

[sly phoenix]

yea its true, someone made that shit up and posted it on the forums lol

[normal mist]

I woke up middle of the night

Opened the link

And I know exactly what it is

🦉

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/losing-it-cat-gif-21648163

[normal mist]

It's 3 am, it's too hot for me to be able to fall asleep

[limber lion]

Fair enough, but;

1. You didn't answer the question. The question was about combo point management and what it means to you.

2. You still give too much credit to stats. You probs won't notice the difference between 25% haste and 45% haste. You are aware that 10% haste is 1 more energy a second? So with 20% more haste you're getting 3 extra mutilates per minute. (On top of faster bleeds and them refunding via VW, but that's not much either) It's not that grand.

[marble hemlock]

thats like one whole envenom each minute

[short flint]

yeh but doesnt haste increase your attacks and weapon poison application crits restore energy with dashing scoundrel?

[limber lion]

[short flint]

i find pi dramatically improved my energy availabiltiy

[limber lion]

Sure it does but you don't even play that with the bleed build

[subtle kiln]

2 if you play remix with max haste

[bronze pike]

[marble hemlock]

tbf its more than that from venomous wounds as well cuz bleeds tick faster. but the point still is, we have sims for a reason, feelycrafting stats = no bueno

[limber lion]

And Dashing ain't super giga either

[normal mist]

I see you

[bronze pike]

look i did a favor for someone who cant post on the thread

[limber lion]

You're definitely coping if you think that it's suddenly super fluid and fast

[normal mist]

Don't worry, you did what you promised

[limber lion]

The thing making the spec feel fast for you is you pressing Deathmark on the boss.

[bronze pike]

ye im happy

[limber lion]

Not the PI

[bronze pike]

hes happy

all positive

[limber lion]

You're gcd capped during Deathmark anyways

[normal mist]

And we don't have to hear from it~ hold on a minute

[limber lion]

And you won't get PI'd outside of cooldowns

It's gonna feels just as slow

[short flint]

yes thats my whole point. once your outside of cds on st it feels to slow

[limber lion]

Yes but you won't probably notice that big of a difference either way

[short flint]

well i would if there was no energy.. or as i suggested. more talents restoring energy

[subtle kiln]

It’s generally a slow spec

[marble hemlock]

i mean, itll feel faster, but you still wont deal more damage

[limber lion]

You saying "PI makes it feel better" is a lie because you don't get PI'd outside of cds

[short flint]

i dont care about the dmg

[limber lion]

But I come back to the main point

What is cp management?

[short flint]

i just dont like hitting an energy wall where i feel it slow down and then i have to start pooling for the next kbs

[limber lion]

You said "I'd rather they delete energy and we focus on cp management"

[short flint]

i think its not engaging

[limber lion]

What does that mean?

[marble hemlock]

id rather have 40% crit than 40% haste, cuz with high crit at least pressing mutilate feels meaningful

cant wait to get 2cp 2cp 2cp mutilate

[shy pecan]

Big numbers

[marble hemlock]

i mean assa is not supposed to be a high apm spec

[limber lion]

With higher crit you get more dashing procs because of crits and because you spend more time with Envenom buff up thus more energy

Thus with higher crit you get more energy from Dashing

[marble hemlock]

frankly, the idea of "high apm" kind of goes against the rogue notion in general. for the longest time, it was a class built around combo point and e nergy management and pooling

[short flint]

I meani don't think its a confusing idea. just like mana dps, they now manage some other point or proc based resource, however i acknowledged it might be to much. im just saying i dont like the feeling of slowing down so much. its not a dmg thing, im happy for dmg to slow down between cds. its purely a feedback thing

the flow and pace

[subtle kiln]

have you played assa any other expansions?

[normal mist]

That's where outlaw comes in

[short flint]

yeah

[marble hemlock]

i think if you want high octane gameplay with high apm, rogue might be the wrong class

[normal mist]

They just BRRRRR 24/7

[marble hemlock]

outlaw does it, but outlaw is barely a rogue spec

[limber lion]

I do not understand why you throw out this idea of "delete energy and focus on cp management" but cannot give a single concrete example of it

What is cp management

There is no such thing in the game

What is it

Pls help

[slate scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-controversial-yet-so-brave-controversial-brave-gif-12046682

[short flint]

I think your losing sight of what im saying. All im saying is, when u get to the point where its 2 gcds just to cast mut it feels bad, espec when u gotta cast feint every 20 seconds or something and then you start holding of pressing buttons to pool for a kb

[subtle kiln]

Trying to hit ER as sub.

[short flint]

i just want to smooth out the pace of the downturn, not change the dmg profile

[marble hemlock]

pooling energy has been a core component of rogue gameplay for like 15+ years, and that means having downtime where you just poke the enemy with the pointy end while not pressing buttons

[limber lion]

Still no examples of cp management

Oh boys

[short flint]

yeh like i said im probably in a minority of 1. i was just offering an opinion

[limber lion]

But you are not though

I keep asking for you to elaborate on what it means

[subtle kiln]

no. You’re an outlaw enjoyer who doesn’t like 85+ apm.

[limber lion]

But you keep talking abouy energy

Fuck the energy

Forget it

What is cp

Management

[subtle kiln]

those people ruined sub

[limber lion]

We all know what energy management means

But what does cp management mean

Those are your words

Not mine

[sly phoenix]

give it up with the fucking cp management buddy lol

[short flint]

i feel like your getting very tribal for no reason. i said its just an idea, i said its prob to much and i said its just my thoughts cause i dont like how slow it feels soemtimes.. it kind of a 'i disagree with you' is all it takes to reply isnt it?

[bronze pike]

this

if you want high apm

[limber lion]

WHAT IDEA

[bronze pike]

outlaw is right there

[limber lion]

What does it mean

Okay here's an idea

Assassination Rogue should have a new ability called "The Reaper"

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-understand-me-understand-understood-did-you-got-it-pointing-out-gif-13008020

[limber lion]

That's it

[bronze pike]

new sin ability

[limber lion]

New ability called the Reaper

I won't tell you what it does

But that would be cool

[subtle kiln]

I love peppers.

[spice spire]

Reaper? I hardly know er

[subtle kiln]

Lets fucking go

[normal mist]

I love that idea

I want a description behind it

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/grim-reaper-death-death-note-gif-317629063199555649

[limber lion]

Like why are you still clinging on to energy and how fast the spec is, when I've asked you 17 times to elaborate on what "cp management" means? With concrete examples.

[subtle kiln]

Cev waiting on cp managing

[limber lion]

Can't just make up new terms

[bronze pike]

"defensive poisons: targets affliced by your poisons and bleeds do 5% less damage to you. mutulate generates high amount of threat, leather armor increases your stam by your armor %, tricks now taunts the target, cloak of shadows is now on a 1min cd but does 50% less effectiveness, evasion is now on a 30 second cd but is 40% less effective"

[limber lion]

I would love for Sin to focus on Cooldown Rotations

[bronze pike]

@spice spire

youd remember this one

[marble hemlock]

youre lucky he isnt green anymore

[slate scaffold]

[marble hemlock]

or hed mute you for that one

[bronze pike]

what :(

yall dont like the idea of rogue tank sin style?

[normal mist]

Let me cook:

• a finisher that replaces envenom if the target is below 30% health. Each time you cast it and Target doesn't die, it's damage is increase by X%.
  @limber lion

[limber lion]

I would love for Assassination to not have energy and cp and rather focus on milking udders

[marble hemlock]

wanna milk mine?

[spice spire]

Dog?

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-discord-meme-troll-brick-wall-gif-23392632

[limber lion]

Sounds pretty dank, anything that replaces Envenom I'm all for it

[bronze pike]

toxic milk: coat your weapon in toxic expired milk, causing 100ap% dairy damage to lactose intolerant targets

[normal mist]

See, 3am cooking

[marble hemlock]

losing braincells at increasing speeds reading this channel

[bronze pike]

[shy pecan]

I can't believe you all are still up.

[normal mist]

Honestly I was just thinking about the venthyr warrior ability

[bronze pike]

press "look anyways"

[normal mist]

Condem

[spice spire]

Ok old man

[normal mist]

Although not the same, the idea came from there

[shy pecan]

wtf

[limber lion]

Fucking 5am man

[normal mist]

Let's go to sleep

[limber lion]

Waking up in 5 hours and got a concert

[limber lion]

I can't :(

[normal mist]

You're going to fucking rock it

[bronze pike]

[limber lion]

I've been in bed for 6 hours now

[normal mist]

Oh

[limber lion]

Gotta get some sleep meds maybe

[normal mist]

Just be sure you can wake up if you take those

[shy pecan]

Staring at your screen ain't gonna help you sleep 😛

[sudden brook]

[spice spire]

When in doubt thonk about playing CN Assassination

Puts me to sleep

Every time

[bronze pike]

[marble hemlock]

i mean

you mustve thought about it when you wrote that sentence yet youre not asleep

sounds like youre lying

[spice spire]

Im mid workout

The fattest nut in the world won’t put me to sleep rn

Mid is wrong

[marble hemlock]

rubbing one out while typing on disc

impressive

[spice spire]

I’m at the end

[marble hemlock]

hope you got the tissues ready

[limber lion]

Hmm

[normal mist]

Legend, taking his sweet time between sets to talk to his homies

[spice spire]

You’d know bb

[bronze pike]

multitasking

working out

[spice spire]

Taking time because I want to end it

[bronze pike]

and jorking it

[limber lion]

Yo why da hell are you rocking a Slice icon

[bronze pike]

half my brain asleep

[limber lion]

You good homie?

[lone parrot]

and by "it" what do you mean?

[spice spire]

No

[bronze pike]

no

[limber lion]

Demon

[spice spire]

Yes man

[limber lion]

Where sbs

[slate scaffold]

[shy pecan]

Slice and Dice is a great icon to have

Also a great ability

[limber lion]

Seek help

[shy pecan]

[marble hemlock]

yall need god

[spice spire]

In my dreams

Dead

[normal mist]

Bro

You got this champ

[bronze pike]

killing spree> all

[limber lion]

Exsang bis

[shy pecan]

I heard everyone loved Exsanguinate

[marble hemlock]

[subtle kiln]

[main solar]

Can you even pick DTB anymore, or is it just not showing because it's what I have currently?

[normal mist]

You can

Most builds use it

[main solar]

I mean the role icon on discord lol

[short flint]

it changed to 9pm

[normal mist]

Oh

You probably can

[shy pecan]

DTB is gone I think

could be added to your name by an admin though

[main solar]

Hell yeah, legacy icon

[normal mist]

Yeah can't find it

[spice spire]

Only shadowblades + can assign

[normal mist]

Was searching for it in the roles channel 😦

[shy pecan]

It's like SnD

[marble hemlock]

silly blizz, everytime they hit a finisher on their maintenance, they extend it cuz they made cut to the chase baseline now.

[normal mist]

I shouldn't laugh at that yet I did. Time for me to go to sleep

[limber lion]

[runic hinge]

Imagine not having ct icon

[indigo epoch]

pfft

we r ST pumperz m8.

[vital flicker]

So is it even close to being worth it to pick up 2 charges of vanish and just time them with kingsbane? I would just rather have 2 charges of vanish and 6 seconds of subterfuge in M+.

[normal mist]

Subterfuge has 0 value

You already have improved garrote for 6 seconds

And believe we ain't playing with master assassin

Still, with that said, please check the latest video that Whispyr put out about the talent trees on YouTube

[marble hemlock]

you do not play double vanish

we play ER again instead

[slate crown]

I forgot I made my rogue character after SL, I need to go and get the ER glyph for the SL animation

[royal python]

Any idea what time EU servers come up

[strange python]

any thoughts on what spec might perform best in raid tonight

[marble hemlock]

considering the NA maintenance has been extended 3 times so far, i wouldnt expect things to go much better on EU

[dense socket]

Shouldn’t eu experience the same?

[marble hemlock]

typically EU has had much shorter maintenances since NA goes first and whatever issues they figured out while extending maintenance, is smth they already have ready for EU at that point

but this is probably oen of the bigger changes in wow history to come to the game, so i wouldnt be surprised if the game stays down for a while longer

[main solar]

I'm ready for maintenance to be extended a 4th time in a few mins

I actually don't think we've ever had a maintenance go this long before?

[runic hinge]

You must be new

[sick aspen]

we have

[runic hinge]

Back in my day you never planned on playing on Tuesday at all

[cinder bone]

10pm is the latest i remember in recent memory

[runic hinge]

[main solar]

there's been some late ones, but I dont think they've gone all the way to midnight est

[cinder bone]

since legion at least

[runic hinge]

I love how I can type the emote out. Click on the icon from the pop up list and autocorrect will change it as I hit send

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/my-sweet-summer-child-sweet-summer-child-game-of-thrones-gif-19977020

[sick aspen]

servers up

[marble hemlock]

think we had a 3day maintenance once in TBC

other servers had it last longer, but my server was lucky

[languid zephyr]

wtf assassination is trash again?

[main solar]

Maybe mine was too, cause I played since vanilla but don't remember anything longer than a day. My server is pretty low pop though

[runic hinge]

Yeah vanilla was like I just never logged in on Tuesdays.

Wow was a 6 days a week game for me

My server was pretty large then tho

[marble hemlock]

there was one multi-da maint in TBC for many servers, some took up to 6days, others were shorter. that one was definitely the longest by far

[spice lagoon]

log into wow now

[cinder bone]

ITS UP

[bitter crow]

servers are down though

[fresh kelp]

Is there new campaign quests to do this week or is that next week?

[main blaze]

disconnect central

[main solar]

There's a quest for the warband banks that you can't even use right now

[bitter crow]

how are you guys online?? EU is all down

[pure moth]

NA is cooler

[manic harness]

ER again? spec ruined

Guess I'm going back Sub lol

[cinder bone]

over ER? really? lol

[shadow badger]

sub has sepsis so pick your poison

[serene solar]

lol Serrated bone spike stuck to a dummy and even after switching talents its just ticking damage every 2.5 seconds forever

[manic harness]

I really, really hate ER lol

[tulip pilot]

Are we holding ER for KB windows?

[serene solar]

Pin says ER on CD

[tulip pilot]

thanks

[fresh kelp]

Should we macro Thistle Tea + Shiv?

[hexed frost]

ER again?

Blizzard can't let us play one expansion in peace, right?

[tulip pilot]

SBS never leaves target dummy lol

[strange python]

Im already sick of ER

[shadow badger]

you dont even play around ER you just press it and forget it

[hexed frost]

Yeah one more button to push

[shadow badger]

well no more shadow dance so you can press this one now

sin has no buttons anyways lol

[split grail]

So when we vanishing now?

[velvet ridge]

Prepatch

[slate crown]

In the opener cast vanish with 3 seconds left on garrote to pandemic imp garrote

For your second DM, delay DM a few seconds until vanish is ready

After the opener, just vanish -> Garrote before deathmark

[split grail]

ty

[strange python]

I dont like not having 4 poisons on

😦

[slate crown]

Feel like I should add something for this now...

[strange python]

reprimand? lol

[slate crown]

? based

[white orchid]

after pressing ER does it automatically start off on one blue cb as soon as you press the ability?

[slate crown]

Starting from 0 CP, no

It's always points 3, 4, 5

[true rapids]

Did I imagine I thought base rogue tree was getting a cut to the chase equivalent?

[leaden cypress]

Hello, mby bad question, is there somewhere on wowhead or idk, quick summary of specs? Not tuning wise but smthing about dmg profile for tww like
Assassination - 2min cd burst with splash cleave potential..
etc.
Fury - sustained dmg with aoe bursts 45/1,5min cds

idk what to play, idc about tuning dmg profile is more important for me 😅

[slate crown]

If you start from 0 you may crit and get 3 from seal fate, but it's not guaranteed you'll land on a point after use

[slate crown]

CTTC is now a class passive, not in any tree.

[white orchid]

ahh okay was just used to it landing on a blue one right away before

[true rapids]

ahh that explains thanks

[runic hinge]

It used to be 2,3,4 and you could always er->finish but they changed that

[white orchid]

Yea thought I was tweaking for a sec lol makes sense

[narrow basalt]

Oh its 3-4-5 now?

[rain mortar]

Hate ER but I do like the new BS for aoe openers

[runic hinge]

Yes

[manic harness]

Okay ER isn't as bad on Assassination as it was on Sub in Shadowlands

Maybe code yellow, not code red

[narrow basalt]

I just dont like ER in any spec, idk if thats a hot take.

[manic harness]

I mean I generally HATE it

[runic hinge]

It was so bad on sub in SL cause you’d just constantly miss cause of the procs

[manic harness]

But at least shadow technique procs aren't fucking up the timing

[runic hinge]

In assa it’s just kinda whatever

[manic harness]

Anyone got a nice WA that'll play a sound when CP count matches anima point?

[narrow basalt]

I loved playing sin in dragonflight. Hope it’s as fun in tww 😅

[slate crown]

My pack's combo point aura could be modified to do such a thing with a single condition added I think

When you land on an animacharged combo point, I color the combo point's inside as red as opposed to my normal color, done with this condition.

You could add a Sound property to this event as well

[wicked zodiac]

!talents

[silk bane]

check the pins! should find what you need

[wicked zodiac]

ty

[slate crown]

Oh right they added baseline support for this. Here, if you want something that only plays a sound and does literally nothing else, you can take this and send it to the corner of your screen (it's a blank text so no text will show, will be invisible anyways).

https://wago.io/8CZCty17_

Just use the condition tab to modify the sound that plays:

[river vessel]

does Sanguine Stratagem and Deeper Stratagem stack?

[slate crown]

Yes, gives you 7 points.

[narrow basalt]

Sin rogue now has 1 gazillion combo points

[junior aurora]

is anyone else's game absolutely cooked rn

[slate crown]

Once I disabled Details, Plater, tomtom, craftsim, TSM, and colorpickerplus, everything running fine

[river vessel]

are the tool tips for finishers not up to date where it says what 7 combo point damage is?

[slate crown]

Oh quite probably

But rest assured, it stacks

Tooltips are just bad

[runic hinge]

That’s just a part of wow

[river vessel]

ok cause this threw me off lol

[slate crown]

Yeah

[opal geyser]

Is there a pin on updates to the raid build / M+ build? I can't tell what I'm supposed to take out (if anything)?

I did change over to ER though

[runic hinge]

The wow head guide should be updated and I think there’s builds in pins

[opal geyser]

Subterfuge felt like it didn't work on anything? I thought it would extend improved garrote by 6 and indiscriminate carnage by 6 but it affected neither which is weird cause indiscriminate used to be 10s I thought

[slate crown]

!guide - Mr Whispyr has been diligent with the guide update which you can trust

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[runic hinge]

Subterfuge doesn’t work on ic or imp garrote

They are both now 6 seconds

[slate crown]

Yes, IC used to be 10, it is now 6. Subterfuge does not interact with these effects to extend them at all, it does not interact.

For us, the only thing subterfuge does now is allow access to ambush, nothing more

[opal geyser]

Thats so sad

Alexa play despacito 😦

[slate crown]

you don't take this side anymore at all

[opal geyser]

Yeah I avoided it on both after a little testing just was wondering if there was something I was missing

It feels like on paper we should be nerfed from missing shadow dance and 10% damage from the talent before but maybe it's better in the long run

[tulip pilot]

Is there a WA that hides the BlizzHUD combo points?

[jade abyss]

Ppl will hate me for this but in my opinion it was wrong to give SD every roguespec in DF. It was fun to play but it was wrong 😅.

[runic hinge]

I think that is the more popular opinion at this point

Or it has been the prevailing one as far as I’ve seen

[royal lantern]

thats the coldest take possible for most longtime rogue players lol

[jade abyss]

And i can remember how good second sd was for sub... so good that sub wasnt skill into it

In s1 and s2

[royal lantern]

btw, i like how they didnt revert the MA nerf after removing dance 🙂

nerf MA cus "it should work with dance"->remove Dance->MA is ussules now

[jade abyss]

Give me the 100% ma back from legion for giga opener numbers

Miss that times x)

[subtle tundra]

didnt they remove 100% ma cause it worked with trinkets? now it doesnt GIVE IT BACK

[royal lantern]

iirc ye

and the 50% was nerfed to 30% cus it worked with dance

[spice lagoon]

I’m liking sin more now

[subtle tundra]

how am i a MASTER in ASSASSINATNG when there's a chance i wont crit

[grim jay]

It should only work on those buffs with lower duration imo, like MA, thats 3s and should get extended to 6s (but didnt, as of beta seemingly)

[grim jay]

Just hit hard enough so that you dont need crit

Problem solved

[subtle tundra]

beating my meat so hard

[runic hinge]

Just crit without it

Be an rng god

Save the talent point

[jade abyss]

So you want we can wield a two handed axe and can attack from stealth with it D:

[grim jay]

Striking hard enough with a dagger should seal the deal

[grim jay]

Crit is 50/50 anyways as we all know

[past forum]

cheap shot spam to interrupt casts

[jade abyss]

Turn your screen black and white, play linkin park in the background and you crit everytime

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-you-win-on-a-technicality-you-got-me-ok-fine-gif-25068092

[opal geyser]

Could I take out improved poisons and get twist the knife for 2s longer on envenom for current tier?

[fleet pagoda]

I wish I had been logging, as i'm goin the way of feelscraft, has anybody that's messed around in some content felt like blindside is proccing an awful lot?

i'm getting a lot of consecutive procs on healthy targets, playing shock/bleed whatever you wanna call it

[slate crown]

You certainly can. It is a dps loss to do so but if you just want longer envenoms it's an option

[royal lantern]

could? sure

do it? no lol, TTK is a ussles point, you have near 90%+ envenom uptime by default

[grim jay]

Thats the sin buff, they just forgot to add it to the notes

[opal geyser]

with the 7 cap on CPs I sometimes find it hard to envenom, build, rupture, and still get the next envenom off now

[fleet pagoda]

it's probably in my head anyways. was a gameplay buff when they originally nerfed it, trivialized energy the first time around

[grim jay]

How so?

[fleet pagoda]

also details is currently not completey functional so I can't see how many ambushes i pressed

[slate crown]

With ER and 7 CP as an option on envenom it should be even easier. You're never spending the time building intentionally to 7 (until deathstalker but shhhh sh let's not yet), and any 7 CP envenom lasts 1sec longer, and has a longer pandemic window

[royal lantern]

finisher is just 5cp+

not 7

thats in average 2x mutilate

[grim jay]

If you should however really struggle you can just watch your buffs closely and use one of your "lucky" high Cp envenom windows to refresh rupture

[slate crown]

Also with bonespike the rupture you refresh will refund cp

thus allowing you to recover into an envenom and maintain a chain even easier

[lone parrot]

what is ER, my brain is broken and I keep thinking of elden ring

[serene solar]

Echoing Reprimand

[lone parrot]

oh true, i never talented into that before now

[hoary remnant]

Kyrian Shadowlands ability in our class tree

[royal lantern]

try head
and then
receive seed

[fleet pagoda]

[lone parrot]

im kinda tempted to stay on the right hand side using without a trace

[grim jay]

Right side is incredibly bad

[lone parrot]

):

[grim jay]

So unless you dont care about numbers

I wouldnt

[lone parrot]

i care so much about numbers

[royal lantern]

kinda based, ngl

[hoary remnant]

Play w/e

[grim jay]

Still kinda hope for some adjustments on subter and the vanish talent for the .1 patch or something

[fleet pagoda]

more options would be nice but I don't wanna (I do ) kick sub and outlaw while they're down

will be interesting to see how they prioritize talents vs. hero talents

[grim jay]

Thats a thought I had aswell

I mean they should fix everything and smooth stuff out

Get it to play decently

And then treat them like talents imo

Because thats what they are at the end of the day, "evergreen" new talents

[shy pecan]

This was such a nice addition

[slate crown]

Because of how mine is set up I'm still using my implementation of the condition, but it's nice especially if you're doing single-state combo point auras

[hollow wren]

hello guys... on assa in pre-patch we dont have now Shadow dances or i miss somethings?

[balmy condor]

Shadow dance was removed

[hollow wren]

so i need to tech new opener/rotation without this?

im little sad now

[raven egret]

You just remove dance from the rotation, thats about it

[agile wedge]

how do i use vanish now?

[raven egret]

before Deathmark for improved garrrote

[hollow wren]

but that was huge boots in opener or on cds

[raven egret]

Yeah so now you remove it, just use KB on its own, shiv + tea for it and thats it

same as before with one less step

[hollow wren]

any tip when drop echoing reprimand? after opener? or before?

[wide sand]

before DM

you can go garrote -> ambush -> rupture -> slice -> ER...

[slate crown]

!guide wowhead guide opener is updated.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

Don’t need the ambush there, just replace it with ER

[opal geyser]

you can fix details on curse forge by updating it to alpha version right click -> release type -> alpha

[hollow wren]

wheres my huge opener with 1m dmg in 15s? 😄

iv hope overall dmg to bosses in raid will be better becuase more spender

[subtle tundra]

im getting confused about your words

whaaaaat

[fleet pagoda]

appreciated

[runic hinge]

you're not pooling during cds

[clever sapphire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[normal mist]

I'm awake and ready to tell one thousand times more that players shouldn't care about numbers in pre patch and they should check their new talents and play around those and have fun. Aight I'm ready, just another Monday.

[clever sapphire]

its wednesday tho

also did you just tell me to have fun? how dare you

[raven egret]

prepatch is buggy enough for people to not care about this at the moment I'm pretty sure 😛

[clever sapphire]

bold of you to assume that people wont bitch about X spec/class doing more dmg and why assa burst is now bad

[raven egret]

for me its currency xfer time

[normal mist]

I'll only be playing in 9 hours from now, that will be fun

[raven egret]

on the forums some people were obviously asking for free game time, but on top of it they also claimed they were taking day off from work for this XD

like, theres like 2 quests for warband, 15mins. Some other 15 min if you pre-ordered and have the xmog quest, thats it

welcome to prepatch

[balmy condor]

You don’t get it, dance is gone so now our burst is DEAD and mythic+ is UNPLAYABLE how could they do this to us! My spec talent tree is literally 3 talents, improved garrote, carnage, and kingsbane, and they deleted all of them! What were they thinking! I have 0 other ways of doing damage and imp gar + carnage + kb was literally 115%!!! of my damage, SOMETIMES EVEN MORE! Will not be playing this game out of protest if anyone wants to contact me message me through the official forums

[raven egret]

... no way you didn't copy paste this from someone who wrote this seriously

[balmy condor]

I promise it’s a WhispyrOriginal

And it hurt a lot

[raven egret]

Don't do this to yourself, you suffer enough!

[narrow basalt]

Finally someone with common sense around here. I agree with all of this. 100%

[balmy condor]

115%

[narrow basalt]

Sorry 115*0,33(3,14)

[clever sapphire]

finally a purple name who understands my struggles and gets how my spec works, Whispyr for president

[raven egret]

ah wait its rage o clock?

[clever sapphire]

also you didnt even touch on the KB cap

[raven egret]

DAMN FCKIN RIGHT they ruined it! THey only care about mages its absurd!

[balmy condor]

YEAH!

[narrow basalt]

That’s it, I’m a dk main now. I will never leave my house again.

[keen mantle]

PI is another 115%

Don’t give half info bruh

[balmy condor]

My bad my bad

I forgot the POTENT buff

[narrow basalt]

Manic grieftorch is all I use anyways. 1 button rotation.

[normal mist]

Whispyr can you talk about scaling next?

[keen mantle]

I hate how noob friendly rogue is becoming while we have no night stalker to minmax bleeds dmg (LIKE ANYONE DID RIGHT ??? )

[balmy condor]

PI + Windfury TRIPLES my damage

[normal mist]

Just to let it all out

[short sedge]

Only if you got the right secondary stats though....

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

Pick a target, apply caustic, and then just do single target? God didn’t intend these soulless demons to make a spec like this

[narrow basalt]

Grrrrr

If you want a challenging spec, might I suggest bm hunter?

[royal lantern]

you are 200% right, we should all remove the assassination color from our names

[keen mantle]

I have a feeling I’m gonna be a diehard serrated bone spike main. It’s way too addicting.

[normal mist]

What is this

Outlaw?

[raven egret]

They would never disrespect warlocks that they did us, tsk

[narrow basalt]

[balmy condor]

I literally can’t think about playing bm hunter, all my brain power is going towards multi dotting (I press gar gar rup rup in opener and forget those buttons exist for 30 seconds)

[normal mist]

Or mages

[narrow basalt]

😂 petition to make every single spec 2 button rots

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats the funny part

like, people talking about "using dance to activate IC again and spread bleeds", when...nobody really did that? and its also often a really bad idea to do anyway lol

[clever sapphire]

well excuse me, i spread my garrotes during dance okay? (used it as builder sometimes in aoe packs)

[clever sapphire]

ftw, best talent

[shadow badger]

i love bone spike

[raven egret]

I mean sneaking a quick IC during Dance was super easy and not that harmful to do, it was nice to have that option to use to bridge pulls, but yeah it wasnt necessary

[shadow badger]

i gotta change my role

[normal mist]

Bone spike enjoyers rejoice

[shadow badger]

yes sir

peak talent

trapped behind poop talent

[royal lantern]

they just had to change how it works and make it passive for people to like it

[clever sapphire]

you guys know what bonespike in ST means, that you will also get to enjoy bonespike on terros like i did when i got bored

[normal mist]

I liked it before, felt good to press

[narrow basalt]

Real

[gusty marten]

dont forget to bring you second set of kingsslayers for dps

[keen mantle]

I was vibing with old bone spike aswell but it felt trash lately

[royal lantern]

you get those CP soon

[proven talon]

fuck off

why is echoing reprimand used now

[normal mist]

No u

Because good

You can skip it and go cold blood

[proven talon]

that shit is disgusting to use

[jovial plinth]

how can you have 2 weapons on?

[normal mist]

Then don't

It's a video game

[royal lantern]

because 2nd vanish is literally ussules and we have to use the points somehow

[raven egret]

Echoing. Is. Fun. I promise I do not have a gun pointed at my head to say this.

[normal mist]

You do what makes you happy

[clever sapphire]

boy when i get back to terros and press rupture i will get 3 cp back because the bonespike from a week ago is finally gonna land

[proven talon]

parsing 100 makes me happy dummy

[royal lantern]

"blinks 3x fast"

[proven talon]

i cant do 'what i want'

[royal lantern]

them go and fotm roll into another hole

[normal mist]

Matter of perspective I guess

[royal lantern]

[shadow badger]

i truly do not understand the hate for ER

[orchid pewter]

Same

[narrow basalt]

Would that be viable in the long run? I would much rather take cold blood tbh.

[clever sapphire]

er is a whatever talent

its neither positive nor negative

atleast for me

[proven talon]

there is rng in the ammount of cp you get

[normal mist]

Whispyr said in his video you can. It's just not optimal

[proven talon]

its probably less shit for sin than it is for outlaw

[clever sapphire]

wait huh, what did i miss

[proven talon]

but id rather not choose which shit sandwich has less shit

[clever sapphire]

its always 3 charged points no?

so whats the rng

[normal mist]

If mutilate crits or not

[shadow badger]

seal fate

[raven egret]

its kinda thematically lame, mini game is kinda stupid and pointless, etc etc

[gusty marten]

only a bug after first login

[orchid pewter]

Whether you land on them or not

[clever sapphire]

i have 45 seconds to hit those 3 points

[narrow basalt]

Yeah I figured. But ER is my kryptonite 😂

[clever sapphire]

if i dont land on them in 45 seconds then im omega lucky

because that means every mutilate critted

[proven talon]

who cares about 45 seconds

[normal mist]

Then you have your answer:3

[orchid pewter]

If you land on it, cool, if not whatever idk its fine imo

[proven talon]

you want to land them in shiv windows

[shadow badger]

ig i can understand that. but i would rather play the minigame than just press cold blooded every 45 seconds.

[royal lantern]

:3 BREACH DETECTED

[normal mist]

Oops

[royal lantern]

#1080572530554835072 👈

[clever sapphire]

people really acting like ER points are gonna be the difference between their 99 and 100 parse

1 tick of your KB critting or 1 more weapon enchant proc is gonna give you more

than ER points

[proven talon]

rng is already the difference between 99 and 100 parses

thats besides the point

the point is it feels like shit

[royal lantern]

its fucking parses, dont be a clown

[raven egret]

Cold Blood should be deleted, no questions about that one

[normal mist]

I'm gonna go again and repeat myself:
Its a video game, if you don't like it, don't use it

[royal lantern]

like, sorry man, but seriously

[raven egret]

How DARE you!

[flint tusk]

want to know what's worse? relying on other people to PI you and get 100% crits to even get top 90%

[shadow badger]

agreed. who tf know what they replace it with though. outlaw has used ER forever, and sub uses cold blooded.

[proven talon]

pi needs to go

aug evokers need to go

[raven egret]

11.2 rogue updates HYPE!

[clever sapphire]

12.1 imo

[royal lantern]

if your fun/enjoyment is Determinanted by some frking number nobody cares about or ever looks at, and you rather cut your own hands because of it, you kinda need to get help because thats not a healthy mindset

[flint tusk]

is this the start? xD

[clever sapphire]

i can get behind deleting aug and pi, i dont really care much if i get them or not

[raven egret]

We started 9 months ago

where you been

[flint tusk]

oh but it's real now

[clever sapphire]

but the ER hate i will never get

[flint tusk]

we're in prepatch

[raven egret]

yeah just make sure you got a steady supplier for the copium tanks

[proven talon]

settle down buddy people can enjoy the game in whichever way they want

[jovial plinth]

??????? how

[proven talon]

if it matters to themselves thats good enough

[flint tusk]

ER is fine. much rather that compared to sepsis

aww damnit!
i just saw acrobatic strikes.

i missed all the people baby raging about it getting changed 😭

[clever sapphire]

sepsis just felt off because of the cooldown imo

if it was a 1 min or a 2 min it would have been a whatever

[clever sapphire]

tww-outlaw was all about acro removel throughout the whole of beta

you just had to check in there if you wanted rage

[flint tusk]

i mean that's outlaw all over isn't it?

[royal lantern]

just visit #outlaw

[raven egret]

See the problem is; comparing shit to another shit means one shit will look better than another shit, but its stil lshit 😄

[proven talon]

thats the realest shit ive ever read

[flint tusk]

oh god. i literally clicked outlaw and saw people have acro roles jesus christ xD

[raven egret]

oh and go type the acro comment on #outlaw please, I beg you

[balmy condor]

@royal lantern

GET ME OUUUT ITS 9:30 WHAT ARE WE DOING

[clever sapphire]

seeing dirt and plants made all the conversations stop, people are so overwhelmed

[flint tusk]

Liking the hard nerf to leech they done.

[balmy condor]

I’m on vacation just to dig a fucking hole bro this cannot be fr

[flint tusk]

That's what you call a hole?

[shadow badger]

dig back home whispyr

[royal lantern]

drilling these for the last 2 days now, wanna trade

and having to use the shit one ofc

[flint tusk]

Bro that's not even lined up.
i hope the others are better.

we'll have to discuss this on your performance review

[balmy condor]

God I wish

[royal lantern]

its not fixated bozo lol

[royal lantern]

P L A N T S

[steel ridge]

@frigid musk vietnam flashbacks

[steel ridge]

GARTENARBEIT

[normal mist]

Meanwhile ...

[royal lantern]

yeha, the welding comes later

when im finished

230 more plates to go

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[normal mist]

Oof

[shadow badger]

what are we welding 230 plates for exactly

[royal lantern]

thats unrelated to eachother

[shadow badger]

okay lol i was wondering how much fucking work are you doing today

[narrow basalt]

5 works

[strange python]

the pined rogue sim says not found we still running grief torch and ashes as bis trinkets ?

[shadow badger]

yur

[frigid musk]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[dark token]

Hot take every single general tree capstone is dogshit

They should replace them all

And ideally not have any DPS talents in class tree all util

Have you seen the new monk class tree it's got like 1 DPS talent and you can pick 15 util options you want

[versed mica]

Since we don't use vanish for kb anymore, do we want to hold second deathmark and wait for vanish to come back off cd again?

[shadow badger]

i like thistle tea. feeds the idea of having alot of control over your energy

[plucky haven]

Hey you, after reading Whispyr's new Pre-Patch rotation guide I've got a question about two mentions of "Vanish" + "Garrote" regarding the single target rotation that I can't get right in my head: Under the section Opener it says in point 14 "Cast Vanish in single target during the final 6 seconds of Garrote, and reapply Garrote to benefit from Improved Garrote". Under the next section "Single Target Rotation and Priority" it says in point 6 "Cast Vanish before Deathmark to apply Improved Garrote". Need some advice when to cast Vanish ... 😫

[shadow badger]

monks different becuase its a hybrid class. triple dps classes should probably have more dps options on the base tree but generally yes i agree more utility based class trees are prob the way to go

[shadow badger]

----Whispyr is here to explain, deleting my explantion.

[versed mica]

I THINK we are supposed to go back to delaying your second deathmark till vanish is back

[broken flame]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

You vanish halfway through your opener deathmark to refresh garrote

Then you sync deathmark and vanish

As long as your full deathmark has improved garrote you can do whatever kinda

But that means vanish during deathmark to refresh

And then sync

Can vanish before if you don’t mind losing a bit of damage

It’s whatever

[normal mist]

Yes

[hexed frost]

We went from kangsbane maxxing to garotte maxxing. We always be maxxing fr fr

[sharp plover]

Maxxing and relaxing

[shadow badger]

[balmy condor]

Just wait till the secret deathstalker tech

[plucky haven]

Ah k, got it. So improved garrote would last 20 sec, so if i get everything in perfect line i don't need to vanish for another improved garrote because it will last the whole deathmark, kb duration

[balmy condor]

We’re one good targeted buff away from dropping sanguine and imp gar entirely

[grim jay]

Ngl DK has nearly only util options aswell now

[hexed frost]

Secret deathstalker tech is to not play deathstalker I guess

[balmy condor]

Just gotta worry about the deathmark timer

Improved garrote during deathmark good

That’s what you’re vanish for

Everything else is whatever

[grim jay]

Only dps options are small and in the upper third

[steel ridge]

double ninja jump bro

[grim jay]

Sounds like good gameplay

Game is pretty boring and stale without any minmaxing

[balmy condor]

If they rework twist the knife and buff vicious venoms

Holy dude

[shadow badger]

dk still has a tank spec. but yeah their damage is in the middle of the tree instead of the bottem of the tree. they had their damage at the bottem but blood had issues with it so they changed it.

[balmy condor]

RIP imp gar bozo

[shadow badger]

is imp gar not liked or something?

[grim jay]

Well every spec has issues with that because the bottom is limited by design, so to have actual choice you kinda need the few dps talents to be on the upper half atleast

[versed mica]

ngl, sin is very comfy so far. Really liking new bone spike and playing ER instead of sd

makes it feel so fucking smooth

[grim jay]

Yeah its pretty good, some might complain about one more active ability tho

[balmy condor]

I’m mostly sick of it cause people pretend like it’s the most biggest talent on the spec and I can’t be fucked anymore

[royal lantern]

you know what ISNT whatever?

you slacking, there are roots to dig up

[balmy condor]

It’s literally one of the weaker talents on our tree and people herald it as a god talent

[shadow badger]

yeah but at the same time we already get all the util we could possibly need in the upper half of our tree. all of the capstone talents are used by all the specs too so it makes sense to have them shared in the base tree instead of jamming them into the spec trees and making it feel redundent that they are all there. Every spec in the game that shares the same ability in each spec tree feels fucking horrible and should immediatly either have it removed from the specs or put into the class tree.

[balmy condor]

Fucking crazy

[shadow badger]

people like big boy bleeds ig

[grim jay]

Its basically back to the roots² for Whispyr, because he is back at his roots and at the roots

[balmy condor]

Roots are ripbozo now we blast the dirt out and I’m free

[versed mica]

I still wait for the day for vanish to be pure utility and not a dps increase

only then can whispyr finally rest

[balmy condor]

Free to do the rest of the yard work

[royal lantern]

no, people see " 50% more dmg" and act as if thats suddenly 80% of your total dmg

[short flint]

details not working is all part of the conspiracy to hide how good ig is now that kingsbane does less

[grim jay]

Tbh im all for class trees having utility only

[balmy condor]

I like big boy bleeds, I would just prefer if it was done well and there was a clear design intention behind it so I can stop arguing with heroic raiders that they can still do damage without stealth

[royal lantern]

yeha, back to vanilla then, cus we used vanish for dps allready during TBC, so idk what people want there

if any stealth benefits exists, vanish will be used for dmg

[hexed frost]

Yes though.

Garotte maxxing > APM maxxing (outlaws can start coping)

[shadow badger]

its nice when they do but at this point classes are getting too much util and now we are in a world where the classes with only util in their trees are actually unkillable. thats the real issues with it.

[shadow badger]

if they wanted to make a class tree with only util without it being broken af it would be so fucking boring stat increases everywhere or 2/3 point nodes

[grim jay]

I know someone who has a garden you could work your wonders in. 700m2 just for you to live your gardening dreams

[hexed frost]

Improved garrotes is a big thing for us keymaxxers. Can't imaging doing a key w/o garrote maxxing

[balmy condor]

Brb killing myself

In game

[balmy condor]

I will hurt you

In game

[shadow badger]

🤓 👆 erm, rogues are supposed to be stealthed to do damage. dont you know anything about this class?

[jaunty dew]

Touching grass already?

smh

[balmy condor]

Yeh this the same mfers that complain about stealth being all their damage

[jaunty dew]

Are you not happy with the prepatch which includes 4 quests? 😄

[balmy condor]

[shadow badger]

[hexed frost]

I will moan softly

[balmy condor]

I can’t

Wait

[shadow badger]

[balmy condor]

I’ll respond in a second

[balmy condor]

SIR WHAT

[grim jay]

Lovers suicide?

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

In game

[normal mist]

[grim jay]

[hexed frost]

Game?

[jaunty dew]

[balmy condor]

Anyway as I was saying, I can’t even log in

Because I’m too busy

Touching grass

And roots

[royal lantern]

damm, i can almost read that

[jaunty dew]

I cna honestly relate.

[versed mica]

i made it in 30 seconds in paint, what u want from me

[shadow badger]

rootmaxxing

[royal lantern]

a hug

[jaunty dew]

I woke up to a pack of bambees walking around my yard, opened the back door and my dog took off like a fucking missile after them.

[shadow badger]

IRL Garrotemax training

[jaunty dew]

They leaped over the fence like it was nothing and escaped

[versed mica]

https://tenor.com/view/animaniacs-pinky-well-why-didnt-you-just-say-so-why-didnt-you-say-so-pinky-and-the-brain-gif-24435925

[grim jay]

Poor things

[grim jay]

I cant imagine doing quests

Doing them at 300ms

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-smh-wrong-no-gif-20802904

[normal mist]

Today will be a good day

Because I get to rupture + sbs

[versed mica]

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1265599317515960364/image.png?ex=66a218b6&is=66a0c736&hm=1ed4048564100fd8bd46c0827ec350d72e2786e29d15b628146cbfdeb674767c&

reminder

[jaunty dew]

Nah they're fine, they just leaped over my fence back into the forest

[grim jay]

I sometimes have em on security camera after waking up in the morning

[grim jay]

Even the 15yo me wouldnt be able to get over the hammers

[jaunty dew]

Yeah my office space is facing the backyard and I see them sometimes racing through there

[proven talon]

opener?

[versed mica]

wowhead guide?

[proven talon]

nope

[mortal crystal]

w e e utwuwun yyynneeueunnvvnvoiuyw hfurryrrrrrrrrrrrör hål

[versed mica]

those are some weird ass keybinds

[balmy condor]

I can’t either, I’ve just been informed that I’m “one of those useless queers” by my grandma

[high sundial]

you guys using the opener from Wowhead or Icey?

[opal geyser]

Dumb question maybe but does meld allow for stealth resets on bosses / M+ keys the way it does in PvP?

was considering dwarf otherwise

[opal geyser]

I believe both are written by Whispyr, the dude above you

[balmy condor]

I don’t write iv

That’s seli

They should be basically the same though

Any difference is minor and and oversight

[opal geyser]

ah nice

[balmy condor]

Amen

[royal lantern]

the opener didnt really change anyway

iirc just use ER before you use DM, and thats it

[potent raven]

Hello where is my shadowdance B)

[versed mica]

Resets during trash in keys, but not on bosses in keys iirc

Meld just doesn't work on raid bosses

[high sundial]

Thanks guys! t Yeah, I guess wowhead has two less ambush/mutilate but yeah it should be the same

[normal mist]

That grandma does not deserve you

[opaque oriole]

are we delaying deathmark by those few seconds to start it with vanish->improved garrote?

[normal mist]

Yes

[opaque oriole]

i mean second DM

[versed mica]

ye

[opal geyser]

Yes

[normal mist]

Yes

[opaque oriole]

❤️

[versed mica]

we need a few more yes's from other people so they will know for sure keep them coming

[grim jay]

Im honestly impressed you can stay that calm. Im usually way too calm in general and I wouldve probably lost it the first day

[steel ridge]

[royal lantern]

you know, thats the point where i would just either throw a shovel full of dirt on her and go away, or just put it inside her bed 🙂

[opaque oriole]

im still confused, so yea if some1 can confirm then pls

[normal mist]

Trust me, no amount of confirmation will be enough these following days

[tepid glacier]

What have they done to my spec

[versed mica]

we need the lord of the pins, whispyr to make a pin about it

[normal mist]

You're yellow @tepid glacier

[versed mica]

one about restealths too while we're at it

[drifting wing]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[opal geyser]

When looking at plater profiles what are some good things to look for for rogue or assass?
(I've noticed that during kingsbane windows there's like 12 dots ontop of one mob and that makes it hard to see, maybe something that removes those)

[grim jay]

But there is one

About that

[normal mist]

Won't be enough

[grim jay]

Basically

[tepid glacier]

they hate yellow

rerolling to blue

[grim jay]

You can use cevs or whispyrs, they filter out all the unnecessary debuffs

[versed mica]

he found a new lease on life, damn

[grim jay]

Together with stacking nameplates and enough space between them thats kinda all you need

[normal mist]

Yellows hate themselves. I just said it because this is a mainly red channel

[tepid glacier]

Im joking, i tried blue and its

[versed mica]

true and real

[tepid glacier]

true

[grim jay]

But ive always been here and im blue

[versed mica]

bro thats a teal

[grim jay]

Teal is blue

With green accents

[short flint]

internal bleeding applied from a 7cb rupture seems to do much less dmg than when applied from a 6cb rupture

[versed mica]

oh god no

its so joever

[tepid glacier]

kingsbane is

[grim jay]

@balmy condor that surely cant be the case

For the guide
New finisher rule: rupture at 5 or 6 cp

[royal lantern]

yes, its so dead that its played in every single build 👍

[tepid glacier]

i mean its not doing the same dmg as before

with blizz nerfing it

[royal lantern]

????? yes ofc ?????

that was the point of the changes lol

[tepid glacier]

idk why you act so fed up

go touch some grass buddy

[grim jay]

Its still comparatively a really strong point and it improved quite some things

[tepid glacier]

hmm, need to do some testing

[spice surge]

Yep IB applies a 1 cp bleed when used with 7 cp

[tepid glacier]

surely its a bug

[versed mica]

[glass hemlock]

so just to confirm, our rotation is basically the exact same except now no dance and we have echoing reprimand which we use on cooldown

[royal lantern]

yes

[glass hemlock]

awesome

i only just got decent at end of season 4 lmao, so i'm stoked

[grim jay]

Dang. Thats kinda rough for now, but I guess it should get fixed rather fast before tww, did you report it already?

[royal lantern]

do opener->ER->DM->use ER on CD for the rest of the fight

[narrow basalt]

And no vanish the last 3 sec on kb

[royal lantern]

ye, vanish is for garrote now, cus its the only thing left where it does something

[glass hemlock]

yes, vanish to empower garrote

i like

[narrow basalt]

Yessir. Im kinda sad, I liked the s4 rotation. Hot take ig.

[glass hemlock]

yeah so it's opener, ER -> DM -> KB then play like normal with bleeds and envenoms until KB. rinse and repeat

[grim jay]

I mean it was good but its barely different

[proven talon]

no thats not hot

dance was insanely good

felt great

[royal lantern]

i mean, almost nothing changed about the rotation, you just use vanish slightly different and sqeueze a ER before deathmark

[narrow basalt]

True true. I guess I just liked the big hits after vanish.

Yk bigger number better person

[grim jay]

You get big envenoms for that now on deathstalker

[royal lantern]

that is a hot take lol

dance in class tree was Universal hated outside of the #outlaw echochamber

[grim jay]

[clever sapphire]

truuuu

[glass hemlock]

still doing 500k on a dummy so i'm happy enough for now lmao

[narrow basalt]

I mean I started playing rogue in dragonflight so I have nothing to compare it to, but I liked it 💀

[rigid tartan]

imo this current iteration is much more braindead than season 4, its not even close you lose vanish last 3 secs, dance kb interaction gone, vanish is just refresh big garotte every 2 minutes for deathmark?
It is much more chill but weirdly simple

[glass hemlock]

whats all this nonsense about lower ilvl gear from m+ instead of raid lmao

[royal lantern]

because m+ is endless spammable?

and raid is 1x a week and 500x more effort?

[glass hemlock]

hmm

[narrow basalt]

Kinda my thinking.. but again kb/dance is the only sin rogue I have played haha

[fickle cairn]

i log in and im doing like less than half as much dps now

[clever sapphire]

instead of vanishing last 3 sec of kb you vanish before dm for imp garrote (still only happens every 2 minutes and you just press vanish a few seconds sooner than before prepatch)

so still the same amount of presses but at a different place

[royal lantern]

like, doing a +10key for a mythic item in vault is not even close to equal to doing any mythic raidboss except the first 1 of most tiers

and its spammable

[glass hemlock]

yeah fair

good call mate (Y)

[clever sapphire]

also assa in raid is easy and thats it, nothing changed now after prepatch

[royal lantern]

and raids dont gurantee loot aswell, its 5 items for 20players, a full clear is 1-2 items MAX for you (and when you clear a mythic raid, gearing is over for you anyway)

like, there are multiple reasons, m+ is really stupid gear efficent compared to everything else, its no surprise they tune it down a notch

[royal lantern]

mate, what

there was no dance kb interaction

kb did 10% more dmg, thats it

you did a kb+dance macro and could forget that dance even existed

[clever sapphire]

anyone saying that the dance removal made the spec braindead probably didnt play assa

[grim jay]

Honestly changing the point at which you vanish to a different strict point doesnt change complexity and dance was only a macro step for kb for 99% of the people

[royal lantern]

like, vanish timing will not even be that different overall lol

[glass hemlock]

is there anything to actually do in pre-patch?

[royal lantern]

just instead of "use vanish and gamble for the KB crit" its "use vanish for an actual ability"

[opal geyser]

Play the game for fun?

[grim jay]

Next week is an event ig

[glass hemlock]

and do what?

lol

[grim jay]

Some people raid or do dungeons

[glass hemlock]

oh just unrated?

[rigid tartan]

i just say what i feel about it, been playing this spec since it started existing

[royal lantern]

get used to the changes (even if rogue didnt really get any)

fix your UI

test some stuff

post pet Pics in #1146207476983812117

[grim jay]

Im just trying to talk about your feelings and maybe even giving you a more positive few

[grim jay]

Getting used to changes on alts

[glass hemlock]

yeah i just been hitting dummy for 15 mins, feels the exact same to me except i'm pushing ER and my KB macro icon is still dance lmao

which made me laugh

[royal lantern]

but yeha, its prepatch, always a "nothing really" time, outside of doing the event stuff 2-3x when it comes out

a bit weird that we dont even have the ussual "level alts" thing, cus Remix took that one lol

[glass hemlock]

with Echoing, when i use it, some of my combo points light up on my WA, the anima charged ones obviously. if they are say 4th combo point, and i go to 5 combo points and then envenom

still acts like a 7 point?

[grim jay]

Idk if there will be an XP buff tbf

[royal lantern]

no

[royal lantern]

they increased xp gains allready

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

yep

[clever sapphire]

you only get the 7 point finisher if you finish on the blue cp

[glass hemlock]

took me an hour to 10-70 a shaman after pre-patch lol

[grim jay]

On Panda

Or normal?

[glass hemlock]

yeah

panda remix carrying myself with an alt twink

[royal lantern]

remix is REALLY fucking fast leveling now

[glass hemlock]

yeah it's gross lmao

[opaque oriole]

is it also bugged on ER buffed rupture?

[royal lantern]

3hours max if all you do is mindless Dungeon spam with no optimization

[random flare]

is assa hard to play in m+?

[royal lantern]

starts hard, gets comfy when you spend a bit time with it, people love to overcomplicate it

[grim jay]

Yeah cba to do more Panda stuff. I leveled 2 chars because the old ones werent really used anyways, but I dont want entirely new chars for the others that arent 70

[random flare]

remix got buffed?

[random flare]

okay ty

[limber lion]

A bit, definitely on the harder side compared to most oogabooga specs.

[random flare]

but more rewarding?

[limber lion]

At the end of the day it's the same shit as in ST but you press FoK instead

[limber lion]

Sure

[glass hemlock]

nah level 60-70 got squished in prepatch

[clever sapphire]

its braindead now with the dance removel, trust me i feelcrafted it

[glass hemlock]

i've been playing assa for about 2 months now (and rogue for that matter). it wasn't hard to play, but hard to time everything and learn to focus on all my bleeds etc

eg spreading bleeds and such for big damage numbers

[safe wigeon]

plater profiles are updated for pre patch?

[worldly sentinel]

I played like 100 beta keys with assa. Same old tbh. I uploaded some, if anyone wants to get a feeling.

[random flare]

but remix chars are only playable in remix until tww starts

[balmy condor]

100 beta keys

Holy

[worldly sentinel]

and my dk is ready for tww lol

[clever sapphire]

how many deathstalker keys

[balmy condor]

I wish I was half as mentally ill as you friend

100 beta keys

[worldly sentinel]

1

[balmy condor]

Sounds fucking miserable

[clever sapphire]

that seems about reasonable

[royal lantern]

im sorry mate, thats 1 to much

[clever sapphire]

i would have probably respecced after 1 pull

so 1 whole key is crazy

[worldly sentinel]

Not as miserable as the state of rogue

[limber lion]

There's nothing really changing for them, should work just fine

[balmy condor]

I guess that’s true

[glass hemlock]

prepatch XP from 60 to 70 still affected remix

[glass hemlock]

thanks for answering my questions tonight mate! have a goodie

[royal lantern]

[worldly sentinel]

Beta is down. My life is in shambles

[safe wigeon]

my debuffs doesnt show on plater

there is nothing top of them

[worldly sail]

theres a command in the plater discord that makes the addon work properly for now

Run this to disable loading old blizz code:
/run C_CVar.SetCVar('loadDeprecationFallbacks', 0) ReloadUI()

Blizzard has moved/changed some code and the deprecation fallbacks CVar loads that old code so some addons can still work while waiting to update. This CVar is enabled by default.
It is due to this loading of old code that one of the values in the Range Checking library that Plater users is set to the old invalid value.
For now, until the library is updated, you need to run that code to allow plater to work without errors. Your older addons might not work correctly, it is unfortunate

copypasted from there

to undo it just change the 0 to 1

[safe wigeon]

thanks

[spice surge]

"Yes", it applies a bleed based on how much cp you used (so 3 cp is a 3cp IB regardless of animacharge)

[real pike]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

btw i thought MA is bad now, how come we still take it in keys

[worldly sentinel]

No better options

[clever sapphire]

ah okay

[grim jay]

Ye the others are equally bad

You could only get IP or fatal concoction iirc

[real pike]

so we cast thistle tea with the first shiv for every KB? or just the opener and save them for energy regen?

[edgy knot]

how big is echoing reprimand against no echoing reprimand?

[grim jay]

Rn or in tww

[edgy knot]

in tww

[grim jay]

I personally didnt play without it, but there was a setup without it that wasnt too far off

Iirc

[edgy knot]

Oh, nice

[grim jay]

@spice surge might know it. Was the cb variant way worse?

[edgy knot]

I really don't know how to play ER so I'm probably going for that one

[clever sapphire]

tea every last 6 seconds of KB, you will have tea ready for every kb usage

[grim jay]

Its not that magical. You just hit it and if you randomly get to an animacharged Cp you use that instead of building further

[clever sapphire]

so you have the other charges to use whenever you want

[spice surge]

what

[edgy knot]

you don't purposely aim for it?

[real pike]

oh that's still a thing? I thought we stopped that with the KB nerf

so we just use an extra charge with shiv on open?

[grim jay]

There was that one fatebound talent setup with cb instead of er right? Was it way worse?

[grim jay]

No you have quite some time to hit the cp

[spice surge]

Ye use tea when you can get all of the energy from it and you have shiv up

[spice surge]

Yes

[edgy knot]

RIP me, I guess I'll stick to ER then

[grim jay]

Duh I thought it was some %. There you go tonsoe

[grim jay]

But fr its not hard to use

[real pike]

hmm I'm getting some mixed messages 😦

not seeing it mentioned in the guide beyond the open

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

Its ends up being the same thing most of the time anyway

[edgy knot]

Thanks, I have time to practice too till TWW so... I was worried that I was supposed to purposely aim for the animacharged cp

[clever sapphire]

wait im also confused now
"if you won't overcap on energy, use tea with shiv instead of the last 5 seconds of kingsbane"
so i just tea whenever during shiv

doesnt matter if first or last 6 sec