assassination

[gusty mirage]

Augs bigger value is the defensive power and the stops tbh

Plus you’re buffing everyone’s damage by a ton which also helps

I think the evoker discord has a spreadsheet about how much damage from each spec gets in ST for example which would help wrap your brain around how impactful it really is

[rotund oak]

i think in terms of defensive power hpally might be the best

its str8 forward dmg mitigation

aura+glimmers+dusk/dawn buffs

but ye the amount of dmg aug contributes makes him that broken

[glass hemlock]

Alright I’ll go have a looksy, I get the general idea of why it is good but some real numbers would be nice hahaha

[strange comet]

hi ppl, i cant sort out one thing at Plater, when we do garotte and rupture from stealth ""ımproved"" i want to somehow notify them and seperate from normal garotte rupture, does anyone know which tap allow me to modify that setting?

[balmy condor]

has to be done through modding and scripts

[slate crown]

Not sure it's worth tracking on nameplates honestly

[strange comet]

ty whispyr

[strange comet]

what u mean? where u fallow it beside?

[slate crown]

Just a weakaura on your target instead of nameplates.

Like when you have garrotes out and you need to be mindful of which nameplates have improved so you don't overwrite their garrotes, how common is it that their improved status couldn't be inferred from your target because of IC spread

Even less so in TWW where Imp garrote and IC are now completely aligned

[strange comet]

how can i do it lisonna?

[slate crown]

!wa - You can look at my profile link here, there's an Improved Garrote tracker to show improved garrote on your target

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[next compass]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[primal jolt]

struggling to pick between monke and rogue for tww

aaaaaaaaaaa

what to do bros

how to choose

[rotund oak]

are u eu or na

just a simple question

[primal jolt]

eu

[rotund oak]

well i can give u an excuse

if u ever open ur warmode

beware of my rogue

i dont allow monks to live

[primal jolt]

ur implying you can kill a monk

damn

pro rogue fr

[rotund oak]

ur implying like thats a hard thing

[primal jolt]

yes because of karma

[rotund oak]

so what

there is only 1 specc that can escape the rogue outdoor and thats guardian druid

[primal jolt]

this is not the answer to my suffering

i play frost dk and survival hunter for pvp 🤓

[rotund oak]

good that means u can die to random stuff from anyone

[primal jolt]

yes

[rotund oak]

surv is cool vs fire mages though

negates the bust completely

unless ofc the mage kills ur pet first

then u are completely hopeless

[primal jolt]

i wish survival had a lone wolf option in the talents

i hate having to keep track of my pet

[rotund oak]

idk,you would take away the sac

would decrease the ability surv has to brawl and trap cheese

would basicly be a hopping bunny that would be much squishier than normal

[primal jolt]

i mean id give them some replacement abilties

if theyd gotten lone wolf

[vocal cypress]

do we know if tier will be greyed out come prepatch or still active?

[spice surge]

Still active, there havent been anything to suggest it would be disabled

[grim jay]

you can cloak karma

[rotund oak]

yeah so take advantage of the dmg LW gives and still have another defensive layer like sac

looks like u want everything

[primal jolt]

ofc

[rotund oak]

aint happenin' 😛

[cloud basin]

Will the talent build we use change any come Tuesday?

[balmy condor]

very slightly yes

you're taking doomblade and bone spike

instead of master assassin and dashing

m+ stays roughly the same except for getting echoing reprimand back

all in all if you log in and don't change talents, you'll probably be aight

but if you wanna be a cringe prepatch minmaxer then you'd shuffle some stuff around

[grim jay]

will you be a cringe prepatch minmaxer?

will you play at all?

[balmy condor]

I will be in Germany

[grim jay]

wait cant you play on your laptop?

or something

[balmy condor]

Yeah I could

300 ping

Pog

I’ll log in for the event cosmetics and achieves probably and then log out

[royal lantern]

i hope you visit seli and give us proof that he actually doesnt exists

[balmy condor]

I tried last year but I don’t like going outside and seli doesn’t like going outside either

[royal lantern]

i feel that one

[vestal wren]

i always play on a laptop

[vestal wren]

have fun

[balmy condor]

I’m already not

It’s warm as shit in here

At least it rained today

[vestal wren]

austria is melting too, only 28 °C today

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s cooling down this week at least

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

I’d rather that tbh

Love the rain

If I wanted the sun I would’ve stayed home

[vestal wren]

unclear if thats actually rain tho

[balmy condor]

We get about 60 days of rain at home

Our rain season is like November until March

[vestal wren]

[royal lantern]

our rain season is "everytime im on vacation"

[silk bane]

Everyone says this shit till they come to Vancouver and get like 300 days of rain a year and develop severe seasonal depression

But I would still take the rain over heat this shit sucks

[rotund oak]

12 days on 39-43C in Greece bro

everything is boiling

last day tommorow then it drops to 37-35-32 by the end of the week and then again the same

at night it has 28C

at night

[rotund oak]

a good amount of the daily precipitation is right before the sun rises

all the moisture falls then

when the sun is up there is no rain or its rare

[balmy condor]

I was in Germany for 2 years at one point and it rained like 200 days a year easily and I loved it every time

[spice surge]

Hey atleast you get like an hour or so of extra sunlight each day compared to us (in the winter), because youre so much more south

[rotund oak]

or it rains in high altitude and doesnt drop on the ground

[zealous crag]

Hello boys, I'm new to the spec. I'm training on a dummy but when I vanish, my Details reset ... Did you know if there is any option ? Thx

[royal lantern]

2jahre ein richtiger alman werden

[spice surge]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[royal lantern]

go into details settings and change into dynamic overall

[zealous crag]

❤️

[silk bane]

Oh yeah u guys are uh idk how u deal with that shit. I was in Helsinki a while back, we came out of the club at like 3 am and it’s bright out. I woulda shot myself if that was the norm ngl

[spice surge]

It goes hard in the summer

Just sit on the porch chilling until like midnight when it starts to get a bit dark

The sun going down at 3 pm in the winter aint great though

[silk bane]

Yeah that would make me go insane. I kinda lost the concept of night and day while I was there

Another thing that made me lose concept of night and day was when I was in London and left my Airbnb at like 6 am and saw people going into the bars to start drinking

That shit changed my life

[balmy condor]

Is schon 10 jahre her brudi

[rotund oak]

why

[vestal wren]

sandals + socks is a germany classic

[rotund oak]

ik im just asking why

we got german tourists here

is there a hygiene issue

or just randomly wear socks

coz no obvious reason

[spice surge]

Why not, if you find it comfy and are at the point in your life where you dont give a shit

[rotund oak]

i mean yeah sure,if u find it comfy to wear socks with 40C sure

who am i to say no

think im sweating only by watcing this

[gusty mirage]

damn whoever made that command sure is handsome

and smart

[royal lantern]

dont ask me, im not a 45+y old alcoholic in denial

[gusty mirage]

yet

[royal lantern]

i was only drunk ONCE

(and messaged quake during it)

[silk bane]

Bro straight up drunk texted quake “u up” ?

[grim jay]

funny enough, its now most of the time worn by people that arent here for long

[silk bane]

Nah lock him up too horny

[grim jay]

like adidas + long socks

[gusty mirage]

guys i just wanna point out

@silk bane is 0/3 for trying to ban the spammers so far

[rotund oak]

hahaahahah

[gusty mirage]

slowest fingies this side of the atlantic

[grim jay]

trying to ban us all?

[gusty mirage]

I said spammers not idiots

GOT EM

[balmy condor]

Ain’t no way it’s only been 3

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/hyperventilate-cant-breathe-hyperventilation-sheldon-cooper-gif-3510677630357883825

[balmy condor]

He’s missed at least 5 no?

[gusty mirage]

idk I've only noticed the last 3

[silk bane]

DO U KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO FIND THE DUDES ID AND BAN HIM ON PHONE? I’m doing my best okay :worm

[grim jay]

oxi slow aswell confirmed

[gusty mirage]

nice emote

:worm

[balmy condor]

Watch this shit

[silk bane]

It was sit Madge idk why the fuck it autocorrected to worm LOL

[balmy condor]

10 seconds

Ez

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

Skill issue

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-cellphone-swipe-gif-7181875

armin confirmed

[rotund oak]

now im interested in ur browsers history

😂

[silk bane]

I’m officially too old for outlaw

It’s joever for me

[rotund oak]

if i can test it u are fine bro

[balmy condor]

Bro’s too old to ban 💀

[rotund oak]

💀

[balmy condor]

This dude fails every quick time event

[spice surge]

Cant ban, cant play outlaw

What can you do as a boomer in this day and age

[balmy condor]

Pool

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/old-lady-crazy-technology-confused-lost-gif-14152694

[tall jay]

Agreed

[silk bane]

Me trying to find the id

[spice surge]

Getting wet and risk slippin.??

[balmy condor]

remove another 10 apm from assa

!!!

[spice surge]

You think these hips are made of tianium??

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice surge]

(they are, but not by default)

[rotund oak]

🤣

im laughing alone

like stupid

[spice surge]

My hips dont lie

[silk bane]

Bros not Shakira

[rotund oak]

water came out from my nose

holysht

[gusty mirage]

eleemo strikes again-o

[silk bane]

Elmo = Shakira

[gusty mirage]

eleemo*

smh

can't even spell his name correctly

[silk bane]

Jay Z at his door with flowers rn

[rotund oak]

Eleem=Shakira confirmed

[silk bane]

I can spell your name correctly tho

Oxi = mah love

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/scratching-koala-koala-koala-bear-drop-bear-fluffy-gif-11913187552090775988

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/cas-gif-19949779

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j5knCWW29J8

@vernal adder

[spice surge]

Can i get an encore, do you want more?

[silk bane]

Cookin raw with the Brooklyn boy

[spice surge]

"Im sorry mam but im a paladin, best i can do is blessing of summer"

[silk bane]

If she asked me to give him Pi I’d give him pi on god

U don’t get it

[balmy condor]

Bro

I’m convinced your type is just “human”

[silk bane]

Trueeee

But also like goth and mommy

And oxi and whispyr

Too bad my gf is non of those rn smh

[balmy condor]

Bro’s so horny he’d sexualize a pan or whatever they say

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor bro no shot cev's doing a test run a week ahead of time

[vestal wren]

so he's pansexual?

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion explain yourself

BUD

[balmy condor]

Yeh keep him out of the kitchen

[balmy condor]

Why even level

Just go act 1 and become day trader

[limber lion]

Bro I've never league started a duelist

I have never played spectral throw, splitting steel, sunder or any of that shit

I would be in acts 1 and 2 for 4 hours just looking at what gems I can use and where to get them

lmao

[limber lion]

That's so hot

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage thoughts on vaal earthquake bleed glad

[limber lion]

Does the earthquake wind up animation thingy on the ground get faster with attack speed/whateverthefuck

Or does it always take like a second for the spikes to appear

[balmy condor]

You won’t believe me

But it’s affected by skill duration

The alt quality earthquake wants to stack increased duration

I was cooking with it

Damage delayed by like 4.5 seconds after actually pressing the button

Was VERY dank

[limber lion]

Wtf

That sounds cursed

lmao

[cerulean nest]

i've been finding that I essentially lose a GCD in my opener when my ambush switches back to mutilate after subterfuge ends. is using a macro the better way?

[slate crown]

Macro may help it a smidge but it's not foolproof, you'll still have the issue.

Best way is to avoid it entirely by just using Mutilate instead. Make stealth/non stealthbar identical, and don't even press ambush ever, even in stealth

[silk bane]

I’m coming for your pans. And skillets.

[grim jay]

since you are probably using tight spender, always using mut is valid and might even be slightly better

[gusty mirage]

you have to play the game to get gold to trade

jez in shambles

[cerulean nest]

been using improved ambush

i'll switch

[vernal adder]

nice owl

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection (lots of one-off weakauras from the previous group)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limber lion]

That's a long paranthesis

Not sure even if necessary

[slate crown]

Yeah was just testing how it looked, I agree. Then I got distracted with updating stuff inside and forgot to go back

[limber lion]

Good stuff

[slate crown]

I'm juggling like 8 auras open updating texts and finding changes to make and stuff

[limber lion]

Love having like 47 different tabs open

That tends to happen when simming new stuff or working on the apl

[slate crown]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

[proud salmon]

making bleed tracking wa's and want to know when is best to alert for a reapply

what remaining duration do you reapply your bleeds on?

[limber lion]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

This for every bleed

Rupture 7.2 and Garrote 5.4s are both safe bets

[proud salmon]

i see i see

is there a way to track the optimal pandemic timing for rupture / does that matter

since it would then vary based on the cp you spent

unlike rupture which can always just be 5.4 right

[limber lion]

You would have to make a custom script for that

[proud salmon]

does anyone have one or does no one really care?

[limber lion]

It's safe to just use 7.2 for Rupture because it's the lowest amount of CP you should ever use Rupture on

And it's still a very massive pandemic window

You don't really need to track 5-7CP Ruptures at all

[limber lion]

No one really does that, there maybe a few of them but like 99% just use a manual pandemic timer.

There's nothing really to gain from doing that.

[proud salmon]

okay cool ty

if it isn't a gain then yeah , idc either

ty ty

[limber lion]

np np

[proud salmon]

i was reading the icy veins guide which said

but why would you do this as opposed to just applying it at 6-7?

(considering the icy veins guide ig isn't considering deeper as well which is fair)

[slate crown]

You could make conditions like this. Do you want conditions that look like this? Nah, no sane person would ever make a weakaura and publish it with their name on it that has conditions that look like this, surely.

.>

[limber lion]

Yeah and even there all of the 1-3CP ones are just pointless because you should never reapply Rupture with less than 4 combo points regardless of setups

But I mean, it is cute

[proud salmon]

why does the icy veins guide say this then?

[limber lion]

It's not really accurate

[proud salmon]

okay , cool

simple answer but just wanted to be sure

[limber lion]

You should be always looking to reapply at 4+ combo points

[proud salmon]

even with deeper it's 4+

?

[limber lion]

But I think that particular line refers to a scenario where you have to make a decision to either let it drop or reapply

[proud salmon]

wait is 4+ 5-6 or 4-6?

[slate crown]

(seriously though just do 7.2 sec on the pandemic timer and don't think about it beyond that)

[limber lion]

Where you would rather reapply

[proud salmon]

😅

[limber lion]

With Deeper it's 5+, with Deeper + Stratagem it's 6+

Always max-1

But you should always think about stuff in advance

You should never be in a situation where you have 3s left on Rupture and 0 CP

Unless of course the game forces that upon you because of encounter design.

[proud salmon]

i totally understand why you did it the way you did it though

something about just having the manual one feels wrong to me even though it's p much exactly the same

haha

[slate crown]

Damn you understand more than me then

[proud salmon]

it's the principle

[limber lion]

I did consider adding conditions for 5-6CP in the past as well

But it's just not necessary ever

[slate crown]

I changed my TWW stuff to be just a single value, I just CBA anymore

[limber lion]

This is clever though, idk why I didn't think of just spamming the same conditions over and over

[slate crown]

made that change early on, made things so much easier

[limber lion]

I'd imagine so yeah

[slate crown]

Hoenstly I tried doing a script even to make it work but it gets complicated quickly

And didn't seem to work sometimes, I had to set up manual C_Timers and shit over and over and clear and recreate them to capture changes in CP and properly flag the aura to update itself at the right time

Not worth

[limber lion]

Yeah, I was thinking of doing custom scripts as well at some point but after thinking about it, didn't really bother

Pretty much the only custom scripts that I use in my weak auras are to track Empowered Garrotes or Nightstalker effects

But with Nightstalker gone, the only thing to track now is Improved Garrote

Pretty chill

[rotund oak]

a beauty 😍

[proud salmon]

the custom script just let's you know when your garrote is an improved garrote?

so that you don't overwrite it ?

[limber lion]

Yep

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limber lion]

Luxthos' weak aura here has it built in

[proud salmon]

oh perfect thak you

[limber lion]

Probably requires some of the engine-weak auras to work properly, but should be pretty copy paste

[slate crown]

My collection has a standalone

[proud salmon]

yeah gonna try just recreate my own from the luxthos one

fuck

[limber lion]

There you go yeah

[rotund oak]

a custom kick script got me banned

[proud salmon]

the plater functionality you linked also seems nice

[rotund oak]

[proud salmon]

outlaw rogue is so simple compared to this 💀

[limber lion]

Heh

[rotund oak]

Cev the scripter

[limber lion]

Good

[rotund oak]

rude

[limber lion]

Well, Assassination is super simple in TWW honestly because they deleted all the snapshotting shenanigans

Just gotta prepare the weakauras, maintain your dots in combat and then hit your head on the keyboard

and you're chilling

[proud salmon]

any idea why with luxthos it puts a 6 second timer above your garrote right after you apply it ?

[limber lion]

Probably because your Garrote goes on a 6 second cooldown outside of stealth.

[proud salmon]

oh its the cooldown

💀

[limber lion]

Yupyup

[iron carbon]

Kekw

Difficulties are not the same

[grim jay]

Its all pretty subjective and different people naturally have different strengths

[iron carbon]

That's why I say difficulties are not the same. It's pretty reductive to say that X spec is simple.

[grim jay]

Unless... BM and ret

[iron carbon]

Indeed

Difficulties for these is not the dps rotation I guess

[proud salmon]

not really.

i think you think about it in the context of the fact that it's obviously subjective

and then you keep pushing

like saying ret is easy is not reductive

[normal mist]

To many yellows complaining at each other

Everything is subjective

You'll have ret plates saying their class is hard, and Hunters saying BM is complex

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/denial-gif-26256527

[normal mist]

I genuinely believe there will be players that think that way

[grim jay]

Idk, most I know actually are pretty open about it

[normal mist]

That emote cracked me up

[grim jay]

Its glorious

[iron carbon]

I just said the difficulty is somewhere else between sin and outlaw

And as Davyn said, each spec got a playstyle that fit more to some people than other

[normal mist]

Yeah that's absolutely correct

Take me per example: I can only play properly as assassination

Although I can somewhat do keys up to 10 as OL

[iron carbon]

I don't complain about which spec is easy or not, i don't fcking care , i try to play the 3 🙂 I find sub way harder

[normal mist]

Same

I respect those mdfkrs

[iron carbon]

Cuz you need manage cd, and as outlaw main, I don't manage any cd

Big up to the sub mains

[normal mist]

That's why I think it's dumb comparing specs, like if we needed more beef between specs (this happens when the conversations aren't well structured)

The only joke I like to do about outlaw players (and keep in mind I dwell there as well sometimes) is about the amount of caffeine they need daily

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

Dont forget the zoomer jokes

[iron carbon]

That's not a joke, I drink 5-6 cup a day

It's accurate 😛

[normal mist]

That's so much caffeine

[shadow badger]

I’ve moved past coffee and energy drinks I take a 600 mg caffeine pill every morning

[stark garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

mfer out here bragging about exploding his heart

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

wiiiiide george

[bleak sky]

do you hate me? why do I not have widegeorge?

[limber lion]

Me either buddy, me either

[ember mural]

Same

[spice spire]

Not my emote

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

....but your dog?

[runic hinge]

[white wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-4961456348134506326

[blazing jewel]

[shy pecan]

Nice gaps

[blazing jewel]

[bronze pike]

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-pre-patch-patch-notes-345356?utm_source=discord-webhook

[bronze pike]

and we'r eback yall

[silk bane]

[spice surge]

🫡 tww channel

[bronze pike]

[rain mortar]

Ouch

[marble hemlock]

@silk bane frick you

[flint tusk]

I'm just glad i got to provide my amazing insight into TWW even though i've done zero reading about changes

[marble hemlock]

stealing the last message spot in sub

[runic hinge]

Oh shit the plug is pulled

[silk bane]

get fast buddy

too old for outlaw

too old for

[bronze pike]

never

[flint tusk]

Whispyr is now celebrating having three less channels to deal with

[scenic nacelle]

Never got my Bla in

[rain mortar]

I had the last post in TWW channel. I’m a legend now

[stark garnet]

Everyone will remember your name

[slate crown]

BELAHB BEH BAHB EH eh eh eh omg

what happened for the last few months

[rare jackal]

SBS is a passive now?

[slate crown]

where the fuck has everyone been

[bronze pike]

ive been here

now tww beta is over

i can stop being

[balmy condor]

I love how people are surprised the channels are read only

completely caught off guard

[empty crescent]

i cant wait to play rogue in TWW

[spice surge]

Well the prepatch hasnt come out yet

[balmy condor]

okay?

[spice surge]

Im obviously not surprised and i dont care either way

[grave osprey]

This is OUR time to RISE bois!!!

[balmy condor]

5 whole ass days to read the announcement and understand the words within

[slate crown]

THE WORDS WITHIN

[silk bane]

as they say, im legit shook

[slate crown]

TWW

[bronze pike]

not like chatting in the channels will give any useful info

all info in the pins

[normal mist]

Whispyr, was laying on the couch watching your vid when gf asked: what you watching?
OH you know, just listening to Whispyr about what talents i'll be using. LOL

[pure moth]

If they can't read patch notes.. they ain't reading announcements.

[balmy condor]

true

[balmy condor]

did I have a vid come out today

[spice surge]

The question is if blizzard can write patch notes

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

Because theyve included the dust nerf yet again, for the third time

[balmy condor]

I don't remember my scheduling

[spice surge]

Despite not pushing it

[timid talon]

can we take a moment of silence for the death of stepsis

[spice surge]

So maybe this time they do it

[normal mist]

25 mins ago

[balmy condor]

incredible

[bronze pike]

no

[rare jackal]

sepsis removed for the one spec it made sense for

epic

[clever sapphire]

good thing she asked you that so you posted this so i started youtube to look at the new whispyr vid (lot of words with very little meaning)

[empty crescent]

[normal mist]

If it works it works

[clever sapphire]

i love how whispyr pronounced the ER choice node

[normal mist]

SAME

[clever sapphire]

can relate so badly

[quaint hull]

Nightstalker gone BIG WWWWW

[marble hemlock]

i could delete your message

[clever sapphire]

bonespike hybrid build

only reason to play m+ is to play the bonespike hybrid build

7 cp is gonna look weird

[silk bane]

i think we need to put aside our differences and bond over our hatred of outlaw 🤝

my bla or yours doesnt matter. outlaw doesnt getting in blas in is what matters

[balmy condor]

I also recorded out of order

oh well

what can a man do

(not record out of order)

[bronze pike]

count me in

[clever sapphire]

you said that you are excited for the bonespike build so everything is excused

[normal mist]

I honestly felt the same way

"you can play this build and it will be fine - Whispyr, somewhere is the start"

What actually sold me was the "you rupture with IC, which will spread 3 ruptures, which means 3 bonespikes are also going out"

You had me at " 3 bon~"

[clever sapphire]

he had me at the talent page

[normal mist]

xD

[clever sapphire]

easy to please, bonespike in keys is all i need

[normal mist]

You and me both 🤝

[clever sapphire]

the no shrouded bonespike build looks hella weird tho

[shrewd night]

@strange python Cat Form now increases the range of auto-attacks and melee abilities by 3 yards.

BRO ITS EVEN IN THE PATCH NOTES

WHAT ARE THEY DOING

STAHP

[spice surge]

They just copied an old note

[clever sapphire]

dont let the outlaws see that a melee spec kept its range

[normal mist]

i actually went to check their channel

i regret

[clever sapphire]

there are things thou shall not do

or something like that, i dont speak fancy

[normal mist]

I doth speaketh somewhat plaited.
nev'rtheless, i shalt not checketh the outlaw channel f'r the f'rseable future

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

[bronze pike]

Okay

No

That’s fucked

[shrewd night]

Untrue patch notes

Boicott blizz

[bronze pike]

[bleak ledge]

how/why did assa not get one of those tier set changes? isnt the tier set also a talent now?

[shrewd night]

Oh

[bleak ledge]

genuinely curious

[shrewd night]

I take it back

Cat Form no longer increases the range of auto-attacks and melee abilities by 3 yards.

[bronze pike]

Lmao

[shrewd night]

This one is listed under feral

So they have BOTH??

[bronze pike]

Quality

[balmy condor]

no

the talent is inspired by the tier set

but they are functionally different and don't interact

the tier set replacements are for the cases where a tier got baked in 1 to 1

[bleak ledge]

ahh gotcha

so envenom is gonna kinda fuck during prepatch isnt it

[balmy condor]

I mean

not really that much

right now it's like 11% envenom, 7.5% tier, 2.5% poison bomb

so I guess it'll be 12% envenom, 7.5% tier, 2.5% poison bomb

[slate crown]

[normal mist]

[bronze pike]

[flint tusk]

So doing some looking up so I'm ready for the patch to drop
random new video pops up.
https://youtu.be/NU6keavwwP0?si=7hzWdvjsKKm4VHrf&t=813

[fleet pagoda]

what a thumbnail

[raven egret]

Regular channels goooooo

lets just call this a victory, or something

[slate crown]

"class discord just talking about ff14 and lost ark now!" yeah but like we've always been talking about those

[raven egret]

be positive

[hoary remnant]

That has been there for now 4 weeks this buff

[raven egret]

Let me PRETEND

[hoary remnant]

First days of raid testing my Tank and I battled

[raven egret]

ok, i'm TRYING to be HAPPY

[hoary remnant]

He actually gives good feedback

[balmy condor]

💀

no shot

[flint tusk]

I'm at the stage of learning where anything is good to hear before figuring out what i actually trust

[normal mist]

I might the FF14 guy

[balmy condor]

we found the one guy on earth who likes bellular

[slate crown]

I mean I don't mind the guy

[fleet pagoda]

tbf his video is regurgitating a lot of the discord's feedback

[flint tusk]

perfect! saving me time reading through all the dooming and baby raging xD

[slate crown]

Like their takes on their podcast are like, fine, honestly I'm more interested when they discuss FF or other non-wow stuff

[hoary remnant]

He has a big audience and if more content creators say rogue is bad the more attention it gets from blizzard

And his rogue feedback was decent for someone who doesn't play rogue

[raven egret]

He plays wow?

[balmy condor]

in bfa and early shadowlands he went REAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY off the deep end on a lot of stuff

ended up feeling like every video was just either rage bait or uninformed slop to feed the algorithm

[hoary remnant]

Could he didn't know mb.

[slate crown]

Dude does know the algo and plays to it yeah

[hoary remnant]

Watch the linked part he talks about how bad coup and deathstalker are

[balmy condor]

I stopped watching maybe he's turned it around

but yeh I gave up on most wow content creators

[slate crown]

I don't really like his videos

[hoary remnant]

Just watch the rogue part

[slate crown]

Like, his specific curated videos

[balmy condor]

I don't need to watch the rogue part

[hoary remnant]

Same

[balmy condor]

he's just going to say the same shit I've been saying for the last 6 months

[slate crown]

I don't mind the podcast and their takes there, it's fine banter and they talk industry stuff and it's ok

[fleet pagoda]

he did mention something about deathstalker and a nail

[hoary remnant]

Pretty much, but that he is repeating u is a good thing.

[raven egret]

DID HE MENTION THE FUNNEL??!?!!

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

I mean sure

it's not gonna make an impact on rogue getting changes or not

but I guess it does inform more people that it's bad

so

W I guess

[slate crown]

I still need to get dawntrail, I stopped in 6.2 endwalker and i'd have to replay the story to remember where I was

[hoary remnant]

Well maybe tuning wise

[balmy condor]

yeah blizzard is going to watch a glorified tier list video for tuning

[normal mist]

Just finished 7.0 and its pretty good, a good change from what we've been having thus far

[hoary remnant]

Petko tierlist rogue middle of the pack and shaman below

Good lists 😄

[flint tusk]

I honestly just can't believe the hero talents have genuinely not changed for the better at all since they got released.

[balmy condor]

that's not true

deathstalker was somehow even worse

[hoary remnant]

You have seen deathstalker?

[balmy condor]

there was one round of pogging changes

[flint tusk]

I haven't even started the first MSQ as i wanted to get viper going. then getting distracted by stuff

[slate crown]

do the new jobs do anything novel with rotation? Rotations always just felt too scripted for me in lots of ways

[hoary remnant]

Yeah make the capstone work for sub! XD

[winged quail]

all 3 specs got a hero talent that makes the spec less fun, insane nothing changed

[flint tusk]

nope all i know about is fatebound forcing fient for DPS sounds arse.

[hoary remnant]

Imagine not being able to trigger the capstone

[onyx scroll]

its been like 2 months since any real changes right?

[hoary remnant]

Like dead talent

[slate crown]

You mean trickster?

[onyx scroll]

outside of bug fixes

[hoary remnant]

Yes 5 bug fixes. Still 30 to go over all 3 specs

[raven egret]

yeah Court Jester forced feint initially

Fatebound is just a coin, that exists.

[slate crown]

And an embodiment of all of your hatred for the world.

[flint tusk]

ahh yeh, got them mixed up. shows my lack of knowledge xD

[slate crown]

Don't forget that part

[fleet pagoda]

deathstalker got some positive changes like a month ago

[normal mist]

I didn't try picto, im not big into casters YET, but i've been playing viper this whole time, and you FEEl cool playing and the rotation is extremely simple. And yes, i was talking about the rotations feeling scripted yesterday with my GF. They indeed are, 2 of the same job have literally no changes on their rotations from start to finish of a fight LOL. But putting that aside, most jobs feel pretty badass while doing their rotations, especially viper. I'll ping you in a sec

[flint tusk]

That the thing of needing full combos to trigger it?

[hoary remnant]

I mean outlaw is with fatebound now a casino manager. You roll the dice to decide the fate of the coin and keep it rolling waiting for the hidden opportunity.

[balmy condor]

the mark used to be able to be reapplied

so sub would go into dance

and just perma re-apply a new mark

all the way to 9 stacks

and then not be able to use the 9 stacks before the next dance

so they'd constantly just ping pong between 2 and 9 stacks for the entire fight

the max combo points is a non issue on sub

they're flooded with cp during dance

they just literally couldn't get rid of the marks

[hoary remnant]

Marks everywhere

[flint tusk]

.<

[silk bane]

oh its aids on sub too. we dont commonly go to 7 in dance, most often its 6, so we go to 6, then strike again and thank blizzard for the great design

[flint tusk]

That literally just sounds like arse design.

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

but it's the lesser aids

[silk bane]

bros making an aids tier list

its all aids and i hate it and hope its tuned 50% lower than not having a hero talent at all

[flint tusk]

So i'm sort of getting the vibes of 10.0 through 10.1.7 where every spec just feels naff?

[dark token]

i cant wait till prepatch

i will abbreviate darkest night with DN

someone will ask what's DN

[slate crown]

idn dude

[dark token]

then i deez nuts em

[silk bane]

whats the difference between darkest night and deez nuts?

[raven egret]

One is funny

[silk bane]

im working on a yo mama type of response to it. gotta consult the outlaw zoomers. theyre good at yo mama jokes

[dark token]

deez nuts has an animation?

[flint tusk]

I'm sure we could all give you an animation.

[desert cove]

does rotation have any major changes with this update coming on prepatch?

[raven egret]

No, 'cept you dont have dance

and you have ER now

[keen spruce]

[ruby oyster]

do we have any hope for talent changes before release or its just waiting for 11.1/2 ?

[desert cove]

that sounds like a large change, b/c don't we lose subterfuge with these changes?

[desert cove]

probably not, just hope they actually bugfix

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/katekyo-hitman-reborn-anime-lol-funny-no-gif-13379237

[slate crown]

There's nothing subterfuge was really doing for us that wasn't already being done by improved garrote

[desert cove]

I see, fair enough

[ruby oyster]

welp, i guess im not gonna play rogue for the first time lol

[spice surge]

Subterfuge lets you cast ambush

But mutilate is better than ambush

So it doesnt do anything

[desert cove]

fatebound sin is good, trickster sub is solid with bugfixes

so unless you're an outlaw gamer™️ like me, rogue will be fine

[raven egret]

Fatebound sin is functional, thats teh best you get out of me

[spice surge]

If you liked rogue in 10.2 you'd probably like it in war withing

[desert cove]

and assuming they actually fix the bugs , deathstalker should be fine too

[raven egret]

Nah Deathstalker needs an intervention for M+

[ruby oyster]

i didnt, s3 was the least fun i had on assa in years

[raven egret]

that tree is beyond bugfixes

[desert cove]

we don't talk about deathstalker for m+

we pretend it doesn't exist when we want to do m+

[normal mist]

Then you do need to check other classes out

It's a huge game, I'm sure you'll find something to your liking

[ruby oyster]

i hope so but im playing rogue exclusively for 19 years so its hard to find something that feels same-ish

[raven egret]

Have fun becoming a mage!

[normal mist]

Feral

[raven egret]

They all end up being mages

[normal mist]

I always felt like feral was so close to being assassination rogue

[runic hinge]

I was on the feral to assa pipeline

Some people might go the other way

[normal mist]

As in, the grass is always greener on the other side?

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I thought rogue always had better defensives but I had 300 days played on Druid and didn’t wanna lose progress. So I used df as a clean slate to switch and now we’re getting warbands so I’m pretty hyped I’ll get a lot of reputation and such

[normal mist]

Warbands legit giving people a reason to remain playing

At last your time as a player will be (mostly) respected in an accwide progress

Way goes the need of having several same class Alts to farm stuff (mainly transmog)

[errant trail]

thanks for the video guide @balmy condor

appreciate you

[raven egret]

Speaking of defensives, Crimson Vial costing energy is kinda silly at this point. Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[errant trail]

we coin boys now

[balmy condor]

[cloud coyote]

This vid is for pre patch/S1 TWW? Where can I find it?

[balmy condor]

It’s just talking about m+ talent choices

Since rotationally nothing changes

[cloud coyote]

Oh, I see

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Season 3 guides are still accurate rotationally

Wowhead guide updates tomorrow

Later today if you’re EU I guess

[cloud coyote]

Thanks for your effort

[balmy condor]

Np

[cloud coyote]

If I may ask, how does it feel to know that you help so many people, with your guides and theorycrafts? It must be very pleasant to see the result of many people learning by reading/watching your content, and again, thank you for your services, it helps a lot at least for me, I say the same to the outlaw/sub writers

[balmy condor]

I mean there’s a bit of pressure and there’s haters ofc

But in general it makes me happy helping people

So it’s all good

I’m glad to help

[marble hemlock]

why are you awake at 2am

jetlag?

[balmy condor]

Interesting question to ask from the same time zone don’t you think

[limber lion]

Noobs sleep

[ornate aspen]

Man it's really going live in this state huh?
Well we just run fatebound which is basically all passive, right?
At least our gameplay didnt get worse...

[vital haven]

dont know how to feel about rogues rotationally playing the same from one expack to the next]

maybe im too used to borowed power expansions

[limber lion]

Deathstalker tuned higher so pick your poisom

Tuning passes will happen, so anything is still possible

But yeah, mechanics of the trees probs not changing at this point

[ornate aspen]

sigh

I'm trying to stay positive but damn

[errant trail]

it answered a lot of questions

i’m telling you coin 🪙 time

[limber lion]

[runic hinge]

[errant trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/172564751640035328/798336841865494578/image0.gif

[dark token]

Whispyr can we have a spec tier list comparing the bis gear sims against each other and showing stat weights of each spec for prepatch since it's tomorrow

[static glacier]

I’ve got a better idea

Talent point tier list for sin spec tree

[hearty reef]

Haters? Lmao sure lets hate on who puts the brains into how i should be playing in my place

[runic hinge]

I like this idea tbh LOL

[marble hemlock]

Don't try to turn this around on me

i go to sleep at 7-9am, if thats what you wanna know

[onyx scroll]

We should do a tier list of doomers in discord

[raven egret]

I'm not a doomer, just a coin hater

[grave osprey]

but an ass lover

respect.

[pliant gazelle]

With Shadow Dance gone, it's going to be way more painful to not have restealth in M+ right ? Or am I missing something ?

[sudden brook]

stealths are less important for M+ than you think

[grave osprey]

far less important

[pliant gazelle]

Well, I know it was not that important until now, but applying garrot and rupture to multiples targets will be way longer without using a charge of vanish + missing improved garrot

[dawn kelp]

is there anything to be prepared for

[spice spire]

Disappointment

[dawn kelp]

i figured

[spice spire]

Bless

[uncut ember]

I'm actually looking forward to it. I didn't play much rogue in dragonflight and i am rolling it in TWW. Sin is my goto spec and always has been. I am disappointed with some things but i feel like i'm going to have fun regardless

[proud salmon]

can anyone give me a script for tracking improved garrote in my weak aura

trying to copy luxthos one but has a bunch of unnecesarry stuff attached to it

and i can't figure out why it's not working

:P

[fleet pagoda]

yeah it's unfortunate to lose some agency on IC sometimes but I wouldn't think about it too much you'll hardly notice losing dance outside of iron wire uptime

[slate crown]

Is there a reason you can't just use a pre-created weakaura that tracks it rather than needing the full script?

You can find a standalone ready-for-import tracker for just Garrote in my Collection page here, but it, too, is not a simple script because it also tracks if your next garrote will be improved.

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[proud salmon]

well the luxthos one just had a bunch of visual inconsistencies with how my ui is set up and i broke it twice trying to fix them

but i'll try yours out ty

this is it right'?

[slate crown]

I get that, I place the "is garrote improved" as a conditional which you can see in the Wago page, so you can take the whole thing and gut the conditions page if you'd like and start from scratch. You should be able to just use those Garrote Improved conditions in trigger 3 for your purposes

[slate crown]

Yes

[proud salmon]

tysm i will try that rn

[slate crown]

GL

Also I should note that I will be republishing that one with a TWW version as it's simplified

just haven't gotten around to that one yet

[proud salmon]

wait what would change?

[slate crown]

The version exists inside of the full pack, just haven't extracted the TWW as a standalone just yet, overall it will function the same and will still have the conditionals available for you

It's just some cleanup to account for the improved garrote -> 6sec changes and reducing some overall bloat/cleanup

I just mention it so you're aware that you may need to remake your changes in the new version too. Still probably good to practice with it and see how you like it with the old version so you know what to change for the new one

[proud salmon]

wouldn't the improved garrote duration increase automatically get reflected ? and then the bloat clean up i understand with like

removing shadow dance from that 6th trigger

the big difference between why i want to recreate it and then what you have linked is that i dont track garrote's cooldown on this weak aura itself so i don't need trigger 2 but then the whole thing kinda blows up after that

[slate crown]

There's a reason but it's complicated having to do with the "next" tracking, don't worry about it unless you really care I can get into the minutia in dms

[proud salmon]

well i'm actually curious so if you dm'd me that would be cool

but if you don't want to then it's cool too 👍

[slate crown]

I've had someone ask about this before, where you want something to show up only when it's actually improved right, but otherwise you are tracking the garrote elsewhere?

[dense aurora]

i'd like to ask a really stupid and drunken question sp apologies in advance.

i love my rogue, i've been a rogue main for most of my wow career, i loved playing sin (mostly) in DF (mostly because I felt like a PI beggar and if my priests missed raid it was butts). enjoyed outlaw in keys. in raids in s3, sub became top dog and i fucking hate DF sub. like hate it so much i almost quit. swapped to mage for the last ~1.5 seasons, enjoying it but just feel like i'm not at the same level as i was on rogue.

if you were me, would you go back to rogue from mage for TWW as things stand now

recognizing this is an incredibly subjective question

and mostly pointing to a reasonable competitive-to-fun ratio

[runic hinge]

Fun is subjective

[fleet pagoda]

did you like sin in s3/4? if you did, it's mostly the same for tww right now. if you didn't care for it then you may not like the rogue angle in it's current state. might be somethin to check back on closer to release

[proud salmon]

well it's specifically that i don't track the cooldown of garrote with the weak aura so i don't need it showing all the time, only if i target someone without garrote on them

but i would still track my garrote and improved garrote in the same place

[dense aurora]

i enjoyed S3 sin a lot, the only thing i didn't like was how much of a diff having PI made versus not having it

and have also enjoyed S4 sin

[proud salmon]

so in this screenshot i'd track it on the red highlighted garrote, i literally just want the functionality where it is blue if it's improved

[runic hinge]

Pi is less good now because the kb stacks are capped at half

[fleet pagoda]

kb cap is being reduced so PI isn't as quite as important for reaching it looking forward

[proud salmon]

ignore the 3 random garrotes on my screen 💀

[dense aurora]

oh nice, that's good to know.

i need to read patch notes - is there compensation for kb stacks cap being cut?

[fleet pagoda]

@dense aurora there's also a few weeks in between expansion launch/s1 starting so you can just try different prospective specs/classes and see that way 🙂

[dense aurora]

yeah for sure, my guild's got a roster list up for prospective planned mains and i'm still planning mage atm, but i've gotten pokes/pressure because my rogue was always ~orange parsing and the variance on my mage parses is nuts

so just trying to make decisions early so folks can make roster decisions

[fleet pagoda]

still tuning to be done

[dense aurora]

got it

cool, this helps. thanks guys!

[rain mortar]

Does your guild roster look like this and you’re the only one playing the only class that has one single person but a mandatory raid buff?

If so - welcome to rogue prison

[dense aurora]

hahaha this is accurate but my guild is super casual and weirdly just wants to plan around main roles

they want me to play what i "enjoy" but also nudge me towards rogue because of performance

and we have no other rogues

[rain mortar]

Embrace the rogue suck - at some point we will get changes and be better than current state - maybe not be for a while or even until next tier though

[dense aurora]

we have 2 mages but they're both REALLY bad - i consistently outperform both despite my inconsistency - but no backup rogues

frankly, idc if rogue is meta or not - sub rogue was just so horribly not fun that i'd have quit if i didn't mainswap

[rain mortar]

Fate (bound) has spoken. You are a rogue

[dense aurora]

having a spreadsheet up on monitor 2 for timings on each fight was terrible

[marble hemlock]

The raid buff really isn't that important to force anybody to play a class they don't want to play

[dense aurora]

yeah no one cares about me not bringing the debuff, they want me to have fun

but i have fun when i don't suck

my rogue was a consistent 90+ ilevel parse, my mage is anywhere from 20-99

[slate crown]

Just turn off details and you'll never suck again

[dense aurora]

sin was a blast when i had pi. when priests weren't around it was lame. then sub became king in s3 and having potentially ~5 sets of timings depending on dps role was the fucking worst

[marble hemlock]

Besides, rogue was more than fine for all the previous tiers, and will be fine for the upcoming ones too

[dense aurora]

yeah, i know. frankly i could just play sin every tier (my fav spec) and no one would care

but my ocd would feel like i'm throwing if i didn't play the optimal spec when it's optimal

even if it ruins the game for me

(i recognize this is a me problem)

[runic hinge]

My guild is super casual and if I don’t play rogue I don’t think we’ll have one either.

[dense aurora]

yeah we literally don't have one if i'm not on my rogue

[runic hinge]

We have one other dude who alt swaps every week and he played rogue a lot last patch but he’s already said he’s not feeling it for tww. So I guess I gotta recruit a rogue if I wanna swap

[velvet ridge]

Ive been rogue main since legion, I think im finally thinking about switching, probably shaman

[runic hinge]

Spriest has been super fun to me forever. But those dudes are dooming hard over there

[raven egret]

Thats me

so

yeah

[runic hinge]

We haven’t done our sign ups yet but ours will look the same

[bleak ledge]

Dozens of us

[upper timber]

just in case my guild raids this week...I imagine the talents are the same except for we don't have Shadow Dance, and use ER?

[onyx coyote]

I've mained rogue since TBC I'm gonna keep on trucking, but I am the only rogue in my guild.

[raven egret]

Or, here's an idea

[raven egret]

You don't swap and stick with us

Something something apes together strong

[runic hinge]

I change my mind every day on if I’m swapping or not

It won’t be 100% until heroic week lol

[raven egret]

Don't leave me alone to suffer the coin

[runic hinge]

I love assa and I think it’s really fun but spriest is just so visually appealing to me. It’s a back and forth daily I swear. My friends are tired of me even talking about it

[raven egret]

Spriest is not Sin Rogue

[runic hinge]

I know

[raven egret]

so

I don't feel we had that much movement, but I might be drunk

[strange python]

Removing shadow dance completely kills Sin for Keys its hard enough restealthing between trash pulls as it is thank god we have shadow dance without it RiP Sin

[sacred blaze]

this is just copy pasted for any class that has had changes

[raven egret]

oh ok we doing this again? Let's go. Aerm; IC is not our main source of AoE.

we can apply bleeds in other ways, we're fine. Yes indeed, vanish does not replace Dance, so IC loses value

but believe in the Crimson Tempest

[marble hemlock]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[marble hemlock]

Dance being gone doesn't actually change things that much. Also, restealths arent that important.

[raven egret]

one of those lines needs to be updated 🤣

but yeah

same point

[junior aurora]

“Restealths gone sin dead” dont make me tap the sign

[runic hinge]

With nightstalker gone isn’t that just more damage gone off imp garrote? So restealths are even less valuable

[rain mortar]

Yeah - numerically it’s not that big - but if you telling me it doesn’t FEEL bad I’m calling you a liar 🙂

[raven egret]

yeah, all in all CT should ideally carry more weight imo, dont think spatter will be as strong

[runic hinge]

I think buffing ct is based. No flair bias btw

[glass hemlock]

Anyone running a dwarf rogue into TWW for the curse removal racial ? Seems like lots of curses and stuff in new dungeons

[past forum]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[rotund oak]

only 3 channels now to overflow with angry rogue chatting

so much to wait for

so much to read

[keen spruce]

ok i finally updated my video software so i can share this now

[slate crown]

[keen spruce]

[past forum]

Constructed alternatively

[rotund oak]

the hipster way to say build different

[keen spruce]

only 7 months late

[marble hemlock]

deer in headlights and you got lucky

[keen spruce]

I did the math

I calculated the angles

[marble hemlock]

[keen spruce]

I just thought I was dead

[onyx mesa]

dwarf is life! plus we all run the toy so we can change race lol I just want the damn racial. Also a helpful weakaura which lets you know when is a good time to use it

[rotund oak]

whats ur onlyfans bruv

🫶

[marble hemlock]

nanya

[rotund oak]

wdym

[runic hinge]

It means none of your business

[rotund oak]

seli denies me

[hexed frost]

Nelf re-stealth/drop aggro > Curse removal

[little hornet]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[hexed frost]

[glass hemlock]

Not good enough for nelf restealth never seems to work for me

[hexed frost]

Skill issues

[glass hemlock]

Yes

[hexed frost]

Make sure to trick first, don't have any dots running on you, and stay outside melee range.

There's a macro in the channel, just need to spam it till you enter stealth

[glass hemlock]

Yeah fair enough, just didn’t know if dwarf was gonna be useful with how many curses on multiple people seem to go out

Might make one for the fun of it anyway

While mop still going

[slate crown]

Not that you'd necessarily play deathstalker in keys but keep in mind Corrupt the Blood pretty much guarantees a combat entry pulse every tick of rupture.

Which may interfere with melding

[hexed frost]

I would be concerned if I would ever play deathstalker in it's current iteration

[slate crown]

[hexed frost]

You have cloak anyways

[runic hinge]

Also make sure nothing is casting. Sometimes depending on the mob and its spell you won’t be able to stealth either

[rotund oak]

deathstalker feels very cringe,tested just yday,can confirm

[quiet oar]

I think you will exceed on Fatebound

Your Luck is huge

[raven egret]

That's putting it lightly. Fatebound feels better by simple virtue that it feels non existant

Which is a depressing thought

[hoary remnant]

This and the rotation is a bit easier then in retail.

[rotund oak]

yeah i rly hope for deathstalker fixes

it feels rly bad and it has so much potential

[hoary remnant]

What you want fixed? Or you mean tuned?

[rotund oak]

mark applications needs a rework ye

idk how that thing makes sense

[hoary remnant]

That is not gonna happen this late.

Sadly

[rotund oak]

yeah ik,im sniffin' massive amounts of hopium

[hoary remnant]

The good stuff?

[rotund oak]

the best 😅

[raven egret]

It's not necessarily the mark only, but how everything else interact with it. We got a collection of random buff, a node that boost DMG to that target, a node that does DMG to the target by hitting others, a constant need to re-re-re apply the mark with max CP DN, etc etc etc

[rotund oak]

i think if they cook the mark application mechanic

[raven egret]

It's so damn awkward to use it distract from playing the spec and feels foreign to it

[rotund oak]

DN will also be tuned a bit better as well

but its like mapko said

aint happening

we coinflippin sin or trickster sub

[raven egret]

I decided to give a name to my coin, to improve my relationship with it

I name it "Trash"

Trash will help me, I believe

[rotund oak]

cant go bad

[raven egret]

If the no dust icon by my name wasn't enough, I also happen to very much dislike court jester as well XD

[rotund oak]

u look divided there man

[raven egret]

I was sub rogue for the longest time, historically speaking. It was a painful break up

But eh, I still love Sin, despite the flaws, we are thankfully still functional

I despise our hero talents across the board, that's unfortunate, but I'm here to stay regardless

[rotund oak]

rly hoped for deathstalker but its not there

[raven egret]

Also, Shadowheart is a node that exists, that however I can't even begin to explain and make sense of

Outside of it being a placeholder, a promise of actual updates, sometime somewhere in a far future

[steel ridge]

Its clearly a sub thing

which does leech atleast some in dance

[runic hinge]

Does it even work with dance?

[grim jay]

Tbf an understatement. Just take the hero talents as what they are for now, a bonus, and embrace the greatness of the spec itself

[raven egret]

Hell if I know, but I promise that even if it does it's still completely irrelevant 😂

[quiet oar]

Imagine implementing a system, that should enhance class fantasies

and fail so hard

[onyx mesa]

just having it is enhancing for a casual, we playing a casual focused game :p

[hoary remnant]

I mean it's shit. But gotta live with it for now.

[runic hinge]

See in the time span of my work day now I wanna play rogue again

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/satou-kazuma-thumbs-up-fish-grill-anime-gif-14047702

Welcome home, honey ❤️

[quiet oar]

Prepatch gaming

I remember some really funny prepatch talent builds in DF prepatch

[raven egret]

Ye got to get uh... Whatever the things you can get from pre patch event. Which is in a week anyway

Got to update my weak auras and UI this week

[quiet oar]

The Enhancer build

with Primordial wave and chain harvest

Its a shame that chain harvest didnt make it

[grim jay]

Sin legion prepatch was crazy

[quiet oar]

Wait did they change tsets from classes that got theirs in the spec tree now?

[balmy condor]

yes

they got a different dragonflight tier set

[quiet oar]

But doesnt sin

[balmy condor]

no

[quiet oar]

get theirs in talent tree

[balmy condor]

no

[grim jay]

It just basically works the same

But it isnt the same

[quiet oar]

I see

Its similar

but not the same same

[balmy condor]

10% envenom damage when chained vs flat aoe damage when envenom is chained, increased when only hitting 1 target

so they can co-exist

cause there's no interaction