assassination

[vestal wren]

"do i rly need to play this and not the thing i want"

for rogue i am like

[proven jasper]

Bring valeera back

My goat

[vestal wren]

whatever is better, maybe ill just pick something if its less annoying to play even if its slightly worse

[vestal wren]

make subtleties patreon lord jericho

nothing agains shawn but he stinks

[proven jasper]

LMAO

[normal mist]

Well for me, once i knew the 2 hero talents for assassination were deathstalker and fatebound, My head was like "so imma be a deathstalker rogue then".

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Because the theme seemed interesting

[royal lantern]

she literally almost doesnt exist outside of 2books lol

[vestal wren]

deathstalker is also the only talent with lore behind it

surprisingly goes back to vanilla

[proven jasper]

Wasted potential

[normal mist]

Wait what did i miss about deathstalker then

i had no idea it had lore involved

[royal lantern]

forsaken rogues are deathstalkers

thats why its plague dmg

[proven jasper]

Well the forsaken are deathstalkers yeah?

Yea

[normal mist]

Right...

im dumb

[vestal wren]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Deathstalkers

there you go, its not that much to read

[normal mist]

i thought there was another lore behind it besides the undead deathstalkers

[proven jasper]

Nah our lore is “plague damage”

[clever sapphire]

wait im an undead rogue since i started the game, so i am an original deathstalker

the stars are aligning

[normal mist]

"Deathstalkers are highly trained and extremely dangerous. The fact that they are undead helps them immensely in their role as assassins. As Forsaken; they have no need to sleep or even breathe air." This goes SO hard

[clever sapphire]

with my name even

[royal lantern]

well, it somewhat forgets the fact that they are rotting corpses

[vestal wren]

yes, there is a lot to work with

[normal mist]

"They can even pose as corpses, since by all means, that is exactly what they are"

[vestal wren]

i did mention the missed oppotunity in my wowhead feedback post

[proven jasper]

Cant be stealthy if u can be smelled from a mile away

[vestal wren]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=166755/deathstalkers-gloaming-powder

[royal lantern]

iirc there was a story where a worgen found some undead just by smelling them or smth like that

cus

well, corpses smell bad

[vestal wren]

^ basically a signature thing they use

what is it?

[clever sapphire]

undead are so dumb, just fart under the worgens nose and he will literally faint

[normal mist]

Welp it seems that the smelling bad is resolved then

I love it when devs make things like this

fuck yeah W

[royal lantern]

Gamer race

[normal mist]

(i have that heirloom and never bothered reading it)

[vestal wren]

yes

[clever sapphire]

pog

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635

[vestal wren]

Also, this is your commander - Belmont

he has crazy scientist vibes

[normal mist]

These bits of lore are what make the game to me interesting

Having background lore to things helps with the immersion

And i'm pretty tired of being the damn champion that killed 412 gods

[vestal wren]

i assume this is where the plague idea comes from.

trivia is also interessting

thats a cool riding mount (plaguehound)

[royal lantern]

average 70+ old politican

[ocean quiver]

If i'm using sudden demise, should I reapply my bleeds before 35% so that they hit for a lot? or do they not work like that

I don't really understand it

[spice surge]

If you wanted to max the damage of exclusively sudden demise yes, but thats not the best play for damage overall. Better to just keep envenoming into the spatter target

Youre "losing" less damage when targets die before your bleeds have ticked out, so instead of losing all of the damage your bleeds had left you only lose 1/3

[nimble zinc]

yes

you have found your true calling

[clever sapphire]

somehow im always dead in raid tho

must be a bug

[nimble zinc]

it may not be optimal dps, but i have a lot fun watching sudden demise ramp up and execute everything in aoe

esp when the other dps are like "wtf, why did that guy just drop from 2mil to 0???"

[ocean quiver]

In keys that I don't care about I might just try see how high I can get sudden demise to get up to

before knowing this I think the highest I got was 1.9m

[clever sapphire]

go into an 8, press everything on the mob with the shock build, watch mob explode at 35%

[ocean quiver]

This is not the shock build

but biggest I did

didn't change anything

[ocean quiver]

Most damage i've done overall tho

[clever sapphire]

how did the one spec with the most instant dmg do the least dmg

[tacit charm]

[normal mist]

That's a nice overall. Good job mate

[ocean quiver]

Thank you

Wish I had more ilvl tho

be pumping way more

[normal mist]

It's a matter of time if you keep pumping like a madman

[ocean quiver]

I just always get declined in keys it's sadge

and I hate listing my own

[clever sapphire]

beat the fotm spec thats 8 ilvl higher than you by a mile, thats what we like to see

[ocean quiver]

this time was with an aug so numbers are inflated and I died at the end too after I pressed every cd

[ocean quiver]

Always

[solar tangle]

Question regarding our apl.. i dont use ambush while kingsbane/shadowdance active - only with blindside?

[clever sapphire]

according to wowhead

also im pretty sure its like a 0.1-0.2% difference

[woeful meteor]

it doesnt rly matter iirc, it's basically margin of error

[fleet pagoda]

had a normal pug today that managed to cast two different heroisms at the same milisecond, we got both buffs/exhautions. checked my character sheet and was at 99% haste back down to like 20-whatever% as they expired. never seen it before; does something like that invalidate logs?

[normal mist]

I mean, taking into account that it SHOULDNT work that way in case it did, then yes, log should be invalidated

[fleet pagoda]

yeah wasn't sure if anomalies like that were recognized lol. not that it matters, can't think of much worth less than my own normal mode log in meme season but just curious

[normal mist]

If you care about it, then it is

[fleet pagoda]

fair enough, edited myself to reflect it already eating crow on that statement

[normal mist]

example: i had fun during s1 and s2 doing normal mode after being high gear

[fleet pagoda]

even with two heroisms rolling I did almost 100k dps less on Magm than Kazzara in the first 30s examinin' it afterall

[normal mist]

Am i a good player? nah just a regular heroic raider xD

[fleet pagoda]

I'm sure you're owning in heroic too. didn't mean to belittle parses, should have made it more clear I was taking no value in my own

[clever sapphire]

probably wafting proc and kingsbane crits

[clever sapphire]

just by being here you are already a good player

[normal mist]

In heroic i mostly run with my guild and i'm usually the guy my RL relies on to do mechanics

So i dont really CARE that much about my parses in heroic

in normal there are no mechanics so i just zugzug

Aberrus, s2 HC

as you can see on sarka, something went south

It was me doing bombs

xD

I'm an OkayISH player in hc

Mostly try to do mechanics correctly

[fleet pagoda]

i'm running sophic so that's probably it. wafting would still just be haste right? so probably wouldn't look too boisterous next to heroism doubled. but yeah good call that looks like the biggest difference between the pulls that i can discern

[limber lion]

Always love seeing how different the game is for everyone

Some people think that way about LFR, but not normal+. Some people like you think like that in normal, but not heroic+. Then a lot of people think about that for heroic, but not mythic.

Like for me Heroic and anything below it kinda just fits in the same bucket.

[slate crown]

It’s the closest I’ll ever get to stardom. I did the same earlier this season and got a 100 on some normals

Not that anyone looks at normal but

I looked

[limber lion]

But I'm also used to starting on Heroic and moving on to Mythic, so going to normal/lfr is just the same stuff with less annoyances

[slate crown]

In just mostly heroic gear

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter if anyone ever sees it so long as you feel accomplished and good about it

Keep blasting

[balmy condor]

big words considering ceveriontwo is 3/10M sanctum

bit weird dontcha think

[limber lion]

LUL

[balmy condor]

big heroic raider guy

[limber lion]

It's true

As washed as it comes

Tumble dry

[normal mist]

For me indeed normal raiding is to "so this bosses look like this and do this things ok ok", Heroic is where i have the most fun. I never raided mythic so i can't really talk above heroic

And honestly, i don't think i'd ever raid mythic. It looks like it requires a stable group, good schedules, eeeh not for me. I mostly pug stuff too after the first HC kill of AotC

[limber lion]

Yeah it's not for everyone. Whenever I play, I just pug everything, even some odd Mythic kills here and there. But yeah guild Mythic's is definitely an investment of time and energy, but it's great fun if you have a nice group of like-minded people with similar goals.

But the heavy investment is also why I stopped doing it, I just have no interest or time to play the game hours upon hours every day to get the absolute best gear and do content that I don't enjoy doing as much (Mythic+)

[normal mist]

My group is indeed like-minded... To do Aotc and "see you next season" xD

[limber lion]

Yeep that's perfect then

[normal mist]

This. I stopped feeling good about just running m+ one after the other for a chance on "BiS" items to be max ilvl possible... for what? I finished all my goals at 516, no need to force above it for me

[limber lion]

Well, I personally love the chase.

That's what's always been interesting to me. Making my character as strong as possible and improving my own skillset as much as I can.

With so many externals and whatnot in the game, it kinda ruins it for me. It's hard to tell what I did good and what I did poorly when dps fluctuates by so much because of Evokers and externals.

I wanna improve and get better and see progress and be the best that I can be

It's just not the same anymore

I enjoyed parsing and logging because it shows me clearly how I perform compared to others, and more importantly, how I compare today to myself in the past.

[normal mist]

I'm mentaly clapping for what you just said. Huge respect for that mindset

Fortunately for me, I don't share that sentiment to the fullest :3

[balmy condor]

I enjoy parsing because I'm a narcissist that wants to look down on lesser creatures

my kingsbane crit and yours didn't

and so I'm better than you

shrimple math

[normal mist]

Me, looking at my guild members

[balmy condor]

facts

if you're playing in guilds at your level what are you doing

everyone knows the strat is to play in worse guilds

that way you can feed your god complex

[normal mist]

LOL

[balmy condor]

I mean it's just basic logic

[royal lantern]

a true narcissist doesnt need paraes for that, they know that they are better by default

[balmy condor]

actually, a true narcissist needs to prove they're better, and what better way to prove it than having a number to point at

that makes it a statistic

[normal mist]

At the time when i did this, it was r10 world, (heroic) and it was the first time my RL asked ME "Yo Royal, how're your CDS? Can we pop lust?" They waited for my CDs to pop lust and i really obliterated that boss at the time.

[balmy condor]

which is like

science or whatever

[normal mist]

I FELT like a GOD

[balmy condor]

that's what I'm saying man

you play in a competitive guild you're like middle of the pack

you play in a worse guild you get a syrup footjob under the table at dennys after raid

these are your two options

you'd be a fool to pick the first

[normal mist]

Option 3

I play in a guild where i meet my Raid leader / guild master whenever my glasses need to be fixed

And my tank lives nearby

and most of the other folk live in the same city as me

:3

[balmy condor]

nah, real life friends aren't real

[normal mist]

LOL

These are

My RL bought my glasses because he knew i was having trouble at the time (money wise)

[balmy condor]

flexing irl, supportive, helpful friends on me

who's the narcissist now bud

[normal mist]

heheheheh

Thats why i don't want to leave my guild, i love these fuckers

[balmy condor]

bro thinks he's better than me cause he has loving relationships with humans

smh my head

[normal mist]

I'm just lucky i guess

Nat20 on friendships

[royal lantern]

use pics of linux as counter move

(i want linux pics)

[royal lantern]

[normal mist]

I'd counter that picture with another picture

But luna is sleeping ON TOP OF MY PHONE

[balmy condor]

smh

[subtle jackal]

i'm lost u-u nick of time is still bis but, do i have to run m0 to get it then upgrade it or wut?

[normal mist]

Yes

M0 = champion = 515 max

M0 Hardmode = hero = 521(?) max

[lavish lodge]

Hey Guys, are both rings viable? Diurna and Duty? in Guides Diurna is written, but the stats on Duty are better 🙂 is it just because the fire procs?

[normal mist]

Fire proc ring = normal stat ring + some fire dmg

[lavish lodge]

Simming says diurna 4,4% increase duty 1,8% because of the mastery i think

[normal mist]

It has to do with your status for sure yes

[lavish lodge]

fresh 70 no big gear

[normal mist]

then don't worry too much

Ilvl > rest

[balmy condor]

plenty of people use both

diurna just gets a shout cause it's free bonus damage

[lavish lodge]

yeah i think this will be the way

[balmy condor]

filial duty is just a ring

some extra ilvl

but not really special

it's really whatever

whatever the highest ilvl stuff you can find is good

and from there just sim

and gg

[lavish lodge]

yeah boosting ilvl and learning rotations 🙂

[gusty mirage]

pug this buddy

[abstract chasm]

Can I get some plater profile recommendations from some sin gamers?

Pref. ones that are really good a tracking Garrote and Rupture

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice spire]

Big Ceverion stan

[runic hinge]

Check this weak aura

[abstract chasm]

thanks bois

[spice spire]

Any time king gl

[runic hinge]

[raven night]

jundies puts a glow on tempest, rupture and garrote when u can pandemic

or more like he has a script for pandemic glows

in the profile

[pure roost]

Hello everyone, good evening, could you honestly tell me what the current situation is with the rogue for m+ in the next exp?

[abstract chasm]

too soon to tell, they're waiting for reworks too

[shy pecan]

Reworks?

Rogue needs bug fixes and things to be working before we can say much more

[balmy condor]

M+ meta is determined based on many different things. It’s way too early to tell what specs are going to be strong (tuning isn’t done), how they fit into those dungeons (the dungeon/affix tuning isn’t done), or what profiles are needed in the season at large (impossible to know until the other two are fairly done)

What I do know is that we’re definitely not waiting for reworks

It’s insane to think we’re getting reworks at this point

No one reasonable is waiting for that

[quiet oar]

Its also hard to predict M+ Meta, when they changed the whole M+ Affix System

[fallen arch]

Idk about that

Raid buffs and utility isn’t going away

Which means that some classes will always be more desirable than others

Looking at Augs, Mages, Priests

Don’t think the affix system has anything to do with it tbh

[quiet oar]

Well the affixes are compeltely different

now

[fallen arch]

I’m aware of that

But how would that new affix change the meta

[quiet oar]

Especially for your random keys

Itll be easier to get into a key

When Incorporeal and Afflicted are gone

[fallen arch]

I don’t think so

[quiet oar]

Idk my experience is, people want 3 dispellers in afflicted weeks

[fallen arch]

Ppl will fucking look at the high pusher meta and ignore the other classes anyway

Switching up affixes just means less annoying shit to deal with, the pug meta is not going to change. They’ll invite a fotm spec over anything else 10/10 times, whatever the affix may be

Don’t get me wrong, I think these changes are looking good but people’s mindset is not going to change

[quiet oar]

Well Obvious

There will be a meta

I just siad, you cant predict which Classes/specs will be meta

Because affixes and hero talents

[bronze pike]

blizzard cant fix community perception

[quiet oar]

You cant fix, people making Clik Bait Videos for views

[normal mist]

God bless whispyrs thumbnails and video titles

[quiet oar]

I need to sleep more

i reasd Video titties

and was like

[fallen arch]

I don’t see the god comp dps slots change but we’ll see

[fallen arch]

Correct

[quiet oar]

If Season 1 TWW will be again Mage Aug SPriest

They can aswell delete M+

[normal mist]

Do you usually push for big Rio?

[quiet oar]

No

I did in SL

[normal mist]

Fortunately I don't push r.io, I hate watching GF standing in queue > get accepted > key bricked midway > repeat

My mental health does not allow me to suffer like that anymore

[quiet oar]

Thats why i said, if its again a season with god comp

You can aswel delete M+, because i can imagine most people say

fuck it

[normal mist]

Besides wow have you played / Play any other MMO?

[quiet oar]

No WoW the only MMO

Only other "rpgs"

Like Destiny, Division and Borderlands

[normal mist]

You are a shooter fan I see

[quiet oar]

Yes

Technically

Escape from tarkov is also an rpg

I played it like wow

What i mean with thst, i was addicted

[raven night]

division 1 big good

recently ubishit killed its only ongoing activity that ppl still came back for

[normal mist]

Other than wow I was never really addicted to "anything".
I do enjoy going back to FF14 from time to time but that's it

[primal jolt]

were just getting old

[neat stone]

40% gamer 🙂

[grim jay]

DR

[balmy condor]

“True rating” is crazy

[rotund oak]

as in alot?

[balmy condor]

As in tf does that even mean

[rotund oak]

yeah

that was my first impression as well

[balmy condor]

Like you would have the same percent with that much rating?

But you physically have more rating

[grim jay]

Probably just adds like 0.2 of your rating thats in the 20% Dr and so forth

[balmy condor]

So what’s the point

[rotund oak]

no point rly

[grim jay]

For nothing relevant

At all

[rotund oak]

just irrelevant information

[balmy condor]

Incredible addon

[grim jay]

Its pretty widespread

[normal mist]

True ):

[spice surge]

Its how much ""effective"" rating you have, as in exactly how much crit is counted for your percentage

[balmy condor]

If hypothetically the game was different and your gear wasn’t the gear that you have, you would have the same %

[spice surge]

So thats the number you'd divide by 180 to get the amount of mastery points/crit%/haste% you have 🙂

[rotund oak]

💀

we all know how % comes after drs

its nothing special

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s just not correct math though

Cause he has 9800 mastery

That’s the number you divide to get mastery points

[grim jay]

Everything related to DRs outside of Sims is just irrelevant info

[spice surge]

No because of DR, but yes its dumb either way

[balmy condor]

The dr is then applied in relation to those points that he has

[rotund oak]

yup

[balmy condor]

Aight it actually hurts my head trying to explain how stupid that is

Whatever

Back to bed with my ass

[spice surge]

Yes

[clever sapphire]

its hurting my head trying to understand the addon and the explanation of how dr works, you guys are too smart for me

[drifting cloud]

just some imaginary world where 1 stat of something would be same as 1 stat of something else so the DRs would matter

but unless youre playing remix and havent capped them all yet mostly useless

[quiet oar]

My head hurts

But it has nothing to do with this here

[clever sapphire]

get well soon

[balmy condor]

I will make an attempt for you pookie

Stats on gear get converted to actual % values. 100 crit on gear being 1% (just as an example). But mastery is a weird one cause it’s different on every spec in the game so what do you do? Well you do the same conversion, but instead of 100->1% mastery, it’s 100->1 mastery point->x%. For assassination it’s 1.7% per mastery point but that’s pointless number you don’t need to know.

Now, blizzard introduced diminishing returns to try and curb gear going crazy as fast as it did. From 0 to 30, you have no penalty, from 30 to 39 there’s a 10% penalty, from 39 to 47 it’s 20% penalty, etc etc. It’s basically tax brackets but for secondary stats.

Every spec in the game starts at 8 mastery points, and then gains from there, so the first 22 mastery points from gear, no issue, full value. Then you’re in the 30-39 bracket, so getting an additional 9 points from gear is actually 8.1 points due to the penalty. So you actually need 9.9 points to get 9 points of value, and reach that next breakpoint. Now you’re in the 39-47 range, so getting 8 more points would be hit with a 20% penalty, so you’d only get 6.4 points, and you’d need 9.6, etc etc.

The addon is trying to tell you where you are in those brackets, and then giving you a “true” and “lost” rating. The “lost” rating is kinda easy, it’s the math we just did where having X points of stats didn’t actually give you the value because of the penalty. The “true” value is the confusing part, because that shit doesn’t make any sense. It’s taking your actual mastery on gear, that you have equipped, taking away the “lost” value, and then spitting that number back out…. Which would be the amount of stat that you would need to have to reach the same percent that you do now with your current gear, if the diminishing return didn’t exist. Which it does. And you also don’t have that gear, you have more than that gear. So… why?

[quiet oar]

So much text

My zoomer brain

[balmy condor]

Brain nourishment

[quiet oar]

Can you put Subway Surfer in it?

[rotund oak]

bro farms everything in pandaland,cant read 3 paragraphs

[quiet oar]

so i can concentrate on it

[clever sapphire]

aight dr makes sense, addon is still a wtf moment, thank you for the explanation

[balmy condor]

One more fun fact is that mastery points on subtlety affect rupture differently from every other finisher

It’s 2.4% for evisc and 2.7% for rupture

Or something like that

But the mastery on your character sheet will only show the evisc number

So you’re actually getting free hidden bonus value on sub’s rupture

[quiet oar]

So what you are saying is

[balmy condor]

This game is not spaghetti

[quiet oar]

Spam Rupture

got it

[balmy condor]

And I think prot paladin double dips diminishing returns

Cause it’s mastery gives block

And block has its own DR

So you can DR the mastery giving a DR’d block

Very cool game tbh

[quiet oar]

Prolly the same for Crit and Dodge chance?

Or is it parry

[rotund oak]

it basicly does something stupid we dont rly need.Takes the actual maximum stat quantity and derives the quantity after DRs which then categorizes it as ''lost''.Thats some ''ive got plenty of time to play hipster while editing an addon'' type of thang

[balmy condor]

Maybe

Thinking about the vengeance one

Cause isn’t vengeance extra armor

Doesn’t armor dr

[quiet oar]

I think Armor is just a steep sacling

[balmy condor]

It’s just numbers no one needs to know or care about basically yeah

[balmy condor]

I remember something about ironfur though right

Idk

We’re reaching the end of my game mechanic knowledge

Armor isn’t my problem

[quiet oar]

I mean its technically DR too?

where as example 20K armor gives you 50% reduce

but 40K gives you idk like 70%

[balmy condor]

Yeah

But it’s not a rating DR

It’s just a DR on the hit

[quiet oar]

ye

[normal mist]

2 hours later
you guys still talking about DRs?

[clever sapphire]

heeeeelll ye

thats how it goes

[normal mist]

The only DRs that really matter are stun DRs

[clever sapphire]

btw guys did you know warlocks can manage to not do dmg in an academy?

i found out its hard to press rain of fire

[normal mist]

Was he a destro?

Just to be sure

[clever sapphire]

yap

he was doing 600k on pulls where other destros do 6M

also he did less dmg than a 513 frost mage

i dont even know how a 513 frost mage got into a 12

[primal jolt]

did you time it

[glass hemlock]

Key difference between cleave build and arterial shock build is losing scent and sudden demise yes?

Just reading on wowhead, looks more likely if I swap from arterial it will be to the hybrid build

Or just don’t swap 😄 haha

[limber lion]

Key difference is that Cleave is much more ST based and requires you to slam KB on every pack and not have youe target die before it ends or you do no deeps

Bleed build is just consistent damage on every pack and much better on lower keya

I would personally just play Arterial Shock everywhere

Unless you're playing 15+ keys

[glass hemlock]

Yeah that’s what I thought as well I just wanted to make sure I was going the right direction

And I’m only just hitting +10 so no stress about 15s hahahaha

[clever sapphire]

Aye, i just did the dmg of the 2 together

[primal jolt]

you got carried

gg

[primal jolt]

you're playing rogue dont make silly jokes like that

[clever sapphire]

Im usually top dps ngl

Only way im not is if i troll or play for mechanics

Like av endboss shards

[dry grove]

Is there a particular place that is recommended for guides on the sin rotation? Looking through pins, the post there is from 2023 so that would be a bit outdated

[slate crown]

Are you sure they're outdated?

The pin from 2023 is a Wowhead/icyveins link

Which remain accurate as guide sources

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[dry grove]

Nope, but it links to WowHead and IV. I ask because I know as a feral druid main, neither of the guides are all that great.

[slate crown]

They're good for us.

[dry grove]

Didn't know if there was a better place for sin as well

Awesome, thank you!

[ocean quiver]

Can you show me the build?

I feel like i'm confused with all the different builds

This is the build i've been playing for most of my mythic+ keys (besides halls and ruby)

My main target is always dead before the first shiv is even over, so like still 6/7 seconds left on Kingsbane no matter what build i'm playing

[woeful meteor]

play higher keys then

[ocean quiver]

Can't get into anything

I'll apply to groups for like 20minutes of just declines after declines

more than capable of timing these keys

[woeful meteor]

the target dying to fast is with any build, I think this one is least reliant on KB dmg

[shy pecan]

That’s the arterial shock build, minus you not taking Iron Wire

[ocean quiver]

Hmm, I think I may of swapped out the talent when I was killing the council boss last week and went with increase damage of weapon poisons instead

Never noticed till you just told me, was wondering why they weren't getting silenced lmao

[ocean quiver]

Sweet, thanks just making sure

[balmy condor]

Welcome to m+

[ocean quiver]

Yeah it's sadge, main reason why I was playing tank this season, I get accepted into the first key I apply to

[clever sapphire]

list own key

problem solved

unless you get nokhud

you probably wont see many people apply there

[slate crown]

20 mins can be on the short end tbh

I've waited upwards of an hour before

Posting own key is the only way

[clever sapphire]

have you tried speccing fire mage or shadow priest?

works most of the time

[slate crown]

hmmm

[dry grove]

So I am hitting ~230K on my ST opener, but as soon as I hit vanish toward the end of the opener my DPS tanks. Am I doing something wrong? Or does details just not like training dummies?

[shy pecan]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[dry grove]

tyvm

[limber lion]

Looks good to me

Man just needs Iron Wire instead of FC

Also with the bleed build you just slam garrys and ruppies and cts on everything and then kb

Sudden demise will do the rest

It's okay if targets doe before kb enda

[leaden garden]

super basic question, but does asa finish on minimum 4 or 5 combo points?

[limber lion]

That's why you play that build and not cleave

[limber lion]

4+ generally

It fluctuates a bit

In TWW it's 5+ always

Because of hero talents

It was 4+ because of tier set

[slate crown]

who garry

[limber lion]

But usually it's max-1

Good answer

Now 4, tww 5

There you go

[limber lion]

Garry's a homie

[shy pecan]

Garrys and ruppies

[ocean quiver]

hate listing my own key

[ocean quiver]

I may have been playing it wrong then

I just do 2 garrotes into a rupture, then shiv deathmark shadowdance kingsbane

[clever sapphire]

thats something you would do with the cleave build

[ocean quiver]

actually crimson temp just after the rupture too

[clever sapphire]

and i think even with cleave you would spread rupture twice

[ocean quiver]

I almost never dot everyone up

especially in tyr weeks, the pack is dead so fast it's not even worth

[clever sapphire]

especially there its more worth to spread bleeds

to get sudden demise value

because your kb wont last even 5 seconds

[ocean quiver]

Hm

So I should just spread all my bleeds before bursting?

[clever sapphire]

i mean depends on pull, if its like 7-9 mobs i would easily garrote/rupture them all

[ocean quiver]

Gotcha

[clever sapphire]

before going into dm/kb

[ocean quiver]

Also

if I have deathmark coming off cd in say, 30sec, do I hold kingsbane or just send kingsbane

[clever sapphire]

if its like 30 mobs (academy first pull), i just spread garrote 3 times, rupture like 3 times and then i do the dmg

[ocean quiver]

Hmm gotcha, will start trying to do that then

maybe I will hit a bigger burst than 3.4m on algathar

[clever sapphire]

cant really tell tbh

if its on bosses you hold

if its aoe and you think the mob would live for 30 seconds and then live another 20 with your dm/kb then hold

or if you know that a big pull is coming up i would hold

but if the next pull is boss i would send so i have the dm/kb combo for boss

its hard to answer this imo because so many things can change each key

[ocean quiver]

Yeah, just sometimes with running between packs I have kingsbane back and then deathmark has like 30-40 sec so I just send it

same with boss, was never sure

[clever sapphire]

on boss you always want to align dm and kb

in aoe its like whatever

[limber lion]

Def Garry everyone, Rupture 5 and CT everyone

[clever sapphire]

i mean in low keys i would rupture even more

[ocean quiver]

Thing is tho they just like incredibly fast

even when I do what I normally do, the packs last like 15 seconds at most

[limber lion]

Exactly

Which is why you don't even think about KB

And just slam big bleeds

Which then SD will pop

Shiv everything

Under Zoldy range (35%), all bleeds and Shiv

Mobs go poof

[clever sapphire]

kb somewhat comes into play in keys like ruby where you have smaller pulls and a big mob every pull

halls i cant even find a kb/dm target in 8-10s before frog boss

[ocean quiver]

Do you guys have any logs of your damage

so I can compare to mine see what it's looking like

around the 8 key range

[clever sapphire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4DGdwnJBzZ2b3rP6#fight=2&type=damage-done

i have this, a bit of an older log and i probably could have done better (just looked through my keys to see if anyone logged them)

[ocean quiver]

thing is tho

I did the thing by dotting everyone up and the most I did was 800k dps

then did what I normally do and did 1.4m on the same pack

[glass hemlock]

I definitely need to grab one of my logs, is it just because it’s AA that you have so much spatter damage?

[clever sapphire]

well pressing cooldowns always gonna be more dmg, but like one of them just makes 1 mob explode, the other is spread out dmg

[clever sapphire]

hmm i dunno, probably? i mean first boss is big spatter dmg, first pull is also good spatter dmg if your group doesnt do dmg (as you can see mine didnt)

also pressing cooldown on the wyrms near vexamus also big spatter value

[ocean quiver]

I mean I dotted everything up then pressed my damage cds, but then did the same pull again but did my normal rotation and pumped so much more

Which I think was better too because it killed the main guy

(nokud)

[clever sapphire]

nokhud pulls are usually 2 garrotes, 2 ruptures (so both is on 5 targets) and then do dmg

[ocean quiver]

we did double pull in the first one

This was the overall

Ret with broken legendary

[clever sapphire]

i mean what also works is dotting up when you are gathering mobs, sending when you are done with it

[ocean quiver]

Pretty much what I do normally

If mobs are gathering i'll keep dotting

like algathar

[clever sapphire]

also scent of blood exists which is gonna increase your dmg

[ocean quiver]

I just keep dotting till they all together then burst

[clever sapphire]

if you rupture more than once

[ocean quiver]

didn't even notice that talent ngl

just read what it does

but yeah in theory it should make me do more damage but with packs dying within seconds, there's almost no time to dot

you burst the one guy and hit 1m+ dps

or you can spend 10sec dotting and then only have dot damage

that's what it feels like to me

[clever sapphire]

i never really tried to optimise my dmg in low keys, i kinda just do whatever and watch videos

so maybe just sending is better

dunno really

[ocean quiver]

Yeah I gotcha

I just need more gear and rating before I can do the higher keys

[clever sapphire]

ye probably

like i tried the cleave build today in a 9 ruby

and the mobs died before i hit my last 5 sec on kb

every time

[ocean quiver]

Pretty much happens in every key i'm doing

but the damage even with kingsbane not getting full duration feels like it does way more

Same for algathar, when I dot the main guy and kb + dm the spread damage is almost instantly killing the small ads around so no one else can do damage 💀

522 SP and 523 Fury

[clever sapphire]

i mean i just kinda enjoy spreading bleeds so in low keys i just go full in on that

[ocean quiver]

this was the damage at the end

[clever sapphire]

even went internal bleeding instead of caustic

[ocean quiver]

Sheesh

[clever sapphire]

would not recommend

[ocean quiver]

tbf I was using the cleave build for the longest time till I joined this server

[clever sapphire]

but it was fun

[ocean quiver]

was just t he raid build

and I was still pumping kinda but again was just low keys

most overall i've hidden was 8 algathar tyr week

but yeah I mean I won't really know what's better personally until I do start pushing the high keys

[clever sapphire]

i mean technically shock build is the best for low keys

because of all the sudden demise value

cleave build worked for you probably because less ilvl = less dmg in your cooldowns = mobs living more of your cooldown

[ocean quiver]

Yeah true, well the images I just sent from that key was the shock build

but I started with the cleave build because I used Archon to copy the talents of the top players

which I later learn wasn't good because it's only used in keys above like 15

[clever sapphire]

also if you really feel like spatter is more of your dmg than spreading bleeds and sudden demise then you could go the hybrid build

[ocean quiver]

This is the damage breakdown

It's basically the most damage

[clever sapphire]

sudden demise is giving you the SD dmg, and increasing all of your bleeds dmg

the execute part is just something that makes your bleeds not go to waste on mobs that still have like 15 sec on them but die already

[ocean quiver]

Yeah, it was really good on the mobs before the bird boss, SD was always my top damage because everyone else would burst it when I put dots on so I would be top

then I pop all my cds on the next pack and hit 1.8m

[clever sapphire]

also cooldowns plus SD work well in low keys

i usually insta pop the worm at 35% hp in an 8

like the big one around vexamus

[balmy condor]

Wait that’s an insane amount of caustic damage

Holy

[fallen arch]

Its because of the first aa pull

And the tree boss

That combo gives astronomical spatter dam

[ocean quiver]

i'm just him >:)

[balmy condor]

Yeah I guess so

[restive marsh]

Yo can someone look at some of these pulls and maybe check out the boss fight? I feel like I'm hitting a wall right now and would love some tips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAlrfg6Djfc&ab_channel=dapigspajamas

[clever sapphire]

I will just say this before i fall asleep, its a +3 so i assume you are early in learning assa. Either check out the wowhead rotation guide or watch whispyrs videos

Both of those will help out a lot if you understand the basics

[slate crown]

You've asked before with a video. Just to reiterate, a log is a much cleaner way for us to review because it means we don't have to try to parse through your UI and understand what you are casting.

[restive marsh]

Ohhh how do i do that?

[slate crown]

!logguide

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[slate crown]

Damnit that's not it

[balmy condor]

yeah I had to rename it

!warcraftlogs

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[slate crown]

There it is

[balmy condor]

cause !logguide = !log in the bot parse

which ya know

cringe

[restive marsh]

Lmao learning this game is also learning all the plugins and tools too which is a lot

[balmy condor]

is what it is

[restive marsh]

thanks!

[slate crown]

Yes it is.

[restive marsh]

Damn this tool is really cool though

[slate crown]

Again, hard to know your exact casts because it's not a log, but just as a small bit based on the first pull, your first pull you spent a ton of time prepping bleeds and are really delayed getting KB out. You also cast a naked shiv well before cooldowns, then you swap back to the big boy (good target choice) then you use kingsbane then shiv.

The good: You do get some bleeds out before going into cooldowns, you select the right target after spreading bleeds.

the bad:
-(this first one is really important)you don't use Mutilate on your KB target so there's no spatter up, there's no cleave going off. It's extremely important to do this before your KB and during it to keep spatter up for the duration (really it should just be on your main target even without KB up).
-After getting ruptures out you spend 2 finishers on envenom that really don't need to be there and only wasted time in getting your CDs up.
-You sent a naked shiv before KB, and the only shiv you cast with KB was at the start of KB, not the end
-You didn't use deathmark, you only used KB.
-You didn't use Tea for the end of KB.

[nimble zinc]

i have never seen this much spatter dmg

[slate crown]

Those are just what jumped out to me on brief inspection of the video for the first pull

[restive marsh]

Thanks! that is already really helpful next time I will post a log haha

and just to clarify the first point I need to make sure to Mutilate right before and during kingsbane to maintain the splatter right?

[runic hinge]

That’s a lot of words. I ain’t reading em

[slate crown]

That's great news cause you don't have to

[runic hinge]

It’s also cause I can’t read

[slate crown]

I refer back to my previous statement

[balmy condor]

I'm here to kick gum and chew ass

and I'm all out of gum

[slate crown]

[ocean quiver]

guess i'm just that good at assassin

breaking records and shi

[balmy condor]

fr

[ocean quiver]

think I should be the one making youtube guides on assassin and writing the wowhead ones too

having that high spatter damage is a bad thing or good thing tho?

[balmy condor]

take it by all means, the money ain't worth the time

[balmy condor]

It's pretty situational, but I think having it that insanely high consistently points to a rotational mistake more than like "it's bad" or "it's good"

[ocean quiver]

:(

It's funny tho I record all my dungeons but for some reason that one didn't

[balmy condor]

oz pointed out that like in AA and stuff there's some good opportunities to crank caustic

but generally garrote should always be top followed closely by CT/Spatter/Rup/Sang

those 4 kinda go back and forth generally

but if caustic is that high it probably means you're sacrificing bleed damage to just single target slam 24/7

which like, it's fine

the high end meta sorta does that

but especially in lower keys that kinda just won't work

[ocean quiver]

his number uno was envenom ;o

[balmy condor]

well yes, but no

logs combine the tier

so his envenom combined is number one, yes

[balmy condor]

but if we're comparing to a details breakdown, no

[ocean quiver]

this was my logs

his garrote is also below spatter

[balmy condor]

he's playing a single target heavy build yeh

can happen

[ocean quiver]

oh

[balmy condor]

he's got deadly and amp

so he's playing DTB

which cranks kingsbane damage much higher

[ocean quiver]

that was for an 8 too

assassin confusing

[balmy condor]

in m+ it is yeah

there's basically 3 builds, each one slightly more single target than the last

[ocean quiver]

Actually another thing so in the raid

I randomly burst almost 1mil dps

1 time

I have no clue why

[balmy condor]

ye

[ocean quiver]

I have never been able to hit that high since

[balmy condor]

your kingsbane crit

and you got good poison procs

that's what happens when you play one of the most rng specs in the game

[ocean quiver]

I say almost a million it was 890k

[balmy condor]

yeh

happens

[ocean quiver]

dang

[balmy condor]

everything procs on pull

you do big dam

[ocean quiver]

and then this was the end

💀

probably playing it wrong

[balmy condor]

that's what

2:19?

2:20?

seems about right

[ocean quiver]

Yeah

2:19

[balmy condor]

doubt you got your second burst off

at least fully

[ocean quiver]

Nah I didn't

[balmy condor]

yeh

get bent

[nimble zinc]

Yeah similar happened to me on mythic Igira. I had some pulls where I was like 860k at max. Others I was only 6-700k

[ocean quiver]

what da heck

[balmy condor]

this is the results

of 10 sims

same gear and everything

but it's 25 seconds, 1 iteration

basically just snapshotting what the dps is like 25 seconds into a pull, ten times

so like

RNG kekw

this one is 2 minutes 10 seconds

this one is 2:30

identical otherwise

[ocean quiver]

damn

[balmy condor]

(that's back to high iteration count, that's not 1 pull)

but like

if you're doing 1 pull

[balmy condor]

your opener you missed some rng

and then you killed in 2:10

you just end up doing bad damage

and its completely out of your control

sometimes you have a good kill time, but you didn't have good rng during either cd phase

meh

the big parses will have both usually

a lot of the times, top parses even have quite easily spot-able mistakes

but god tier rng will beat out a couple % worth of bad play typically

just be like that

that's partly why it always makes me a little pissy when people are like "oh but insert top 5 log did XYZ, and look, they're cranking"

like yeah, XYZ is wrong, they're cranking cause they're in a cranker guild that's able to smash the boss and he's full padding with a demonic kill time

90% of that parse is not related to anything they're doing

it's a hard pill to swallow though for a lot of people

it's much easier to believe that what you're doing matters, than to accept that you can't control it

[ocean quiver]

Yeah sadge

[gilded oasis]

please dont talk about my life like that

[balmy condor]

hey no

you can control things in your life

like an oven

you control ovens really well

[gilded oasis]

[shy pecan]

You can control making fun of Quake

[balmy condor]

no I can't

[gilded oasis]

no thats just automatic

[balmy condor]

it's completely involuntary

[gilded oasis]

reflex

https://tenor.com/view/spike-volleyball-alert-reflex-great-reflex-gif-14558023

[shy pecan]

Oh

Okay

[wanton crest]

Hi is this okay for SOD?

[fleet pagoda]

in the Classic channel there's a pin with some other discord servers that may be more what you're seeking

[balmy condor]

yeh we generally don't do classic stuff

[wanton crest]

Oh nice thank you

[bitter pawn]

Any dedicated channels for TWW discussion?

[shy pecan]

They're the channels with #tww-X

[bitter pawn]

i must not have permissions, i figured that was the issue, thanks

[balmy condor]

that's strange

all the spec channels have synced permissions

if you see this channel you should be able to see them all

[glass hemlock]

Stoked everyone, slowly creeping up in keys and my DPS is staying consistently up each key too

350ish on 6-8 at 512 ilvl

Just need to farm crests like crazy, my friends and I want to do all 10s next week

[raven night]

for the crimson tempest + amp build, do u actually recommend playing without vigor

[balmy condor]

you play vigor on every build

idk what ct+amp build you're referring to, but there exists nothing atm where you would drop tea or vigor

[raven night]

utilitarian one

unless the copy code is wrong

has double lethality acro stratogem

[balmy condor]

okay you got me

that one does drop vigor

the reason for that one is just cause it's less buttons and people had big problems with buttons and wanted acro

no one really plays it these days

[raven night]

ok yah thought it was just a wowhead thing lol

was jc

[balmy condor]

yah

lowkey forgot that existed tbh

[ancient tangle]

Hi guyz, could somebody can tell me how blessing of autumns works on Assa rogues ?

[balmy condor]

When it’s on you, your CDs recharge faster

And you get them up 10 seconds earlier

[ancient tangle]

Ho ok but it works on all CDs ?

It's 30% of the cd and up to 10sec max ? Is that what you meant ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

30% faster for 30 seconds

So instead of 1 second every second

You get 1.3 seconds every second

1.3 seconds for 30 seconds is 39 seconds

So at the end of those 30 seconds, your cooldowns are 9 seconds ahead of where they would’ve been

No

Cause you’d apply the garrote, lose your improved garrote after 6 seconds

And the tooltip would just go back to normal

[raven night]

no its the target debuff

tooltip

[balmy condor]

Oh

Uh

It would still change depending on mastery stuff

[raven night]

initially it was cuz i was leveling with assa and trying to see what the stuff did

[balmy condor]

But I guess sure

[raven night]

just dont wanna mess with my plater

[balmy condor]

It’s really confusing imo and you could just grab a standalone tracker

But I guess it works

[raven night]

wym with mastery stuff

once u have the dmg out

it cant go down unless u refresh right

[balmy condor]

Well if you gain or lose mastery the value would change

The 50% from improved garrote stays until you refresh

Everything else still changes

[raven night]

oh weird yah if i take off gear it live updates

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[ancient tangle]

Ok thx a lot Whispyr 👍

[balmy condor]

Np

[ancient tangle]

I would assume it has a minor impact on Assa ? (If there is only one autumn)

Since It would desync KB from Ashes

[balmy condor]

you would hold KB for ashes

so

just don't get autumn

[ancient tangle]

Ye ok that was I though 😅

[ancient tangle]

It's more of a bad design to me isn't it ? Rng shouldn't be so determinant that it overcome good execution no ?

[balmy condor]

depends on what "good execution means"

[ancient tangle]

Flawless rotation

[balmy condor]

but I personally think rng is too heavy

assa on live is like a 15% swing

it's actually insane

[ancient tangle]

U mean there is a 15% average variation between flawless rotations ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[ancient tangle]

It's way too much yes

[drifting wing]

what makes it such a big gap? ambush procs?

[ancient tangle]

And I assume the variation goes up with the fight time length

[balmy condor]

variation decreases with longer fights

[balmy condor]

wafting devotion, kingsbane poison procs and crits, and the baseline 5% variance the game adds to everything

are kinda the big 3

[raven night]

can u snapshot sophic procs, or are those dynamic like u mentioned earlier

[ancient tangle]

Ah ok yes you have more and more chances to get good rng on your next burst statistically i suppose then

[balmy condor]

idk what that would entail, so I'm gonna say no

improved garrote is the only thing that isn't dynamic

[raven night]

is night stalker as well

sry ima fuckin nub

[balmy condor]

yeh nightstalker too but that's gone in a couple weeks god bless

[normal mist]

"hey let's go to the gym?"
Royal: sure, 9:30am?
"Yes, that fits my schedules nicely!"
I've yet to see them.

Don't you guys love schedules?

[royal lantern]

try to get your tabletop grpup togheter

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[glass hemlock]

Where do you guys go to get your stuff crafted to 525?

Or does anyone know someone that will craft for me haha/.

[balmy condor]

trade chat

[slow helm]

My GM is our jewelcraft & enchant fella

[glass hemlock]

ohh i see

[glass hemlock]

feels good man

[normal mist]

no healer, pretty cool to see

[glass hemlock]

he was boomy till first boss

then swap resto

[normal mist]

oh. lol. he pumped tho

[glass hemlock]

yeah he was 527

[rotund oak]

ilvl doesnt say that much though

[normal mist]

It means that he played a lot more than me xD

[glass hemlock]

^

yeah he was very very good tho

[brazen zodiac]

you wouldn't happen to be on area52 would u? cx

[short flint]

Does anyone know the range of cuastic spatter and is it from the target its on or from me

[royal lantern]

9y from the target

[short flint]

ty

[grave osprey]

Does feral druid play similar to assa rogue? I noticed they have hella bleeds, combo points, energy pooling, and stealth too

[vestal wren]

feral is probably the closest to rogue

[dry grove]

Yes and no. I'm a Feral main. The biggest difference is that Sin is rotational while Feral is reactional.

They both rely on pandemic timers and there is some snapshotting in the sin opener, but Feral relies heavily on snapshotting

And IMO, Feral is much easier.

[vestal wren]

with ns gone in tww, does this change?

[normal mist]

I'd think that a reactionary playstyle would be harder than a rotational one

[dry grove]

I find it a lot easier myself.

[normal mist]

Isn't that because you're a main feral druid? :p

[dry grove]

I don't know how Feral is going to play in TWW to be honest. I don't have beta access. From what I gather it will play much the same except that they are slowing down the playstyle by slowing down energy regeneration. Beyond that I haven't payed too much attention and am just looking forward to working it out myself once the expansion drops

[normal mist]

That kinda sounds like what I have gathered about assassination rogue as well (also don't have beta)

[vestal wren]

both can be difficult

[dry grove]

I really hate that too. The pacing of Feral and Rogue along with the complexity and niche mechanics are what makes these classes so fun to play for me.

Figuring out the bleed/execute build for AoE for example is a blast. That is not your average AoE playstyle in WoW 😄

[normal mist]

Yeah absolutely, not downsizing feral playstyle. I'd just find it harder to react to stuff mid fight VS rotating CDs as they come like we have now

[vestal wren]

it rly depends on how random it is

and how much impact it has

[normal mist]

[vestal wren]

e.g. on assassiantion blindside procs are low reactive

[dry grove]

Probably has a lot to do with which style you have the most time with. For me, memorizing rotations and executing them perfectly every time is really hard

[vestal wren]

on outlaw pistol shot probably need more thought

[strange python]

Feral snapshotting also isn’t really impactful

Tigers fury has 90+% uptime

You only snapshot one proc

It’s not that big of a deal

[dry grove]

I snapshot the end of every TF

Gotta get them parses

[strange python]

Which end, tigers fury is off cd before your current one runs out

[dry grove]

Especially on raid bosses, I don't think it's as big of a deal in M+

[strange python]

Dunno you have 90%+ uptime so there really is rarely a rip that’s not snapshotted with tf

[dry grove]

Guess we play differently, I definitely have down time on TF

Not huge, but some

[strange python]

Well you should have 90+% uptime ^^

[dry grove]

Wish I was home so I can look that up in my logs 😦

[ocean quiver]

What build do we use for halls? I feel like i'm doing literally nothing

with the current build i'm using

[runic hinge]

Ap shock every key. Every time

[rotund oak]

every day of the week

every week of the month

for all the remaining months till the expansion

(couldnt find any more every's)

[normal mist]

Have you been having fun in cata dood?

[rotund oak]

making alot of gold

im planning on doubling my gametime before stopping

which probably means ill end up with a year and a half active sub

[lavish pine]

hello 🙂

[ocean quiver]

really?

[rotund oak]

hi friend

[lavish pine]

is arterial still the best for low keys?

[normal mist]

Hello!

[ocean quiver]

I'm doing a 9 halls right now

and i'm playing shock build

can't do no damage

[rotund oak]

arterial shock nukes everything easy up to 12s

(tested by myself)

[clever sapphire]

agree

and halls even more

[ocean quiver]

this build?

[lavish pine]

i've been comparing cleave / arterial and one of the "most popular" builds from archon

[ocean quiver]

or am I playing the wrong one

[clever sapphire]

thats cleave

[lavish pine]

cant really get a proper reading

[ocean quiver]

so it's the wrong build

sadge

[clever sapphire]

thats totally the wrong one

yap

[ocean quiver]

no wonder i'm doing 0 damage

💀

[clever sapphire]

probably the worst halls build you could be running

[rotund oak]

this is hybrid,arterial shock has sudden demise

[clever sapphire]

hybrid has CT and right side

this is pure cleave

[rotund oak]

oh ye

thats the cleave

even worse

[lavish pine]

in what situations do you use crimson?

[rotund oak]

[clever sapphire]

hybrid is fine for like 14-15 and up

halls i would probably still play shock up to 17

[clever sapphire]

4+ targets if i remember correctly

and just keep up the dot

so dont spam it

[obtuse ruin]

is the tww beta available for everyone?

[ocean quiver]

Has anyone got a pic of the build

[lavish pine]

so you do opener and use crimson before KB?

[ocean quiver]

the build I should be using

[lavish pine]

or instant KB and go for crimson after

[ocean quiver]

Ah

regular build I was using

[spice surge]

If you have the heroic edition yes

Otherwise you can get it randomly, but thats not guaranteed

[obtuse ruin]

ooh gotcha

[ancient tangle]

Does someone knows why i sometimes have bonus cp that triggers after a mutilate ? and they are differed (1 sec i think)

[clever sapphire]

usually ye, atleast thats how i do it

[lavish pine]

alright 🙂 thanks all

[clever sapphire]

1s is weird, seal of fate is giving you extra CP if you crit

but it shouldnt be delayed

[ancient tangle]

yes thats what i though

the delayed part is weird

[normal mist]

Thats so giga, lets go man. Are you atleast enjoying the gameplay?

[rotund oak]

im not playing rogue in cata 😅 played rogue when it was prime,now im into DK,Hunter and Mage tech

but ye cata is a banger

easy game easy life

[normal mist]

Cata was by far my favourite expansion until legion came

Then legion occuppied the #1

[rotund oak]

ive played cata so much that i didnt read a single guide for anything

just logged and did what i had done back then

works

but im mostly focused on farming gold,having my characters on 356+ilvl is only by rep farming and gold making

[normal mist]

You're living the life

Not gonna worry about gametime for months

[rotund oak]

[grave osprey]

Awesome thank you ☺️

[nimble zinc]

crimson always in aoe, any pull with 4 or more targets.

basically all keys, never raid unless trash

[normal mist]

And don't SPAM it, just once to apply the dot and thats it

[hexed frost]

Does meld allow you to use improved garrotes?

[balmy condor]

If you go into true stealth from the meld yes

So won’t work during bosses for example as you’re forced in combat and can’t stealth

[hexed frost]

The group was fighting trees in brackenhide but when I tried going meld->stealth it didn't work.

I was a bit away from the combat as a precaution

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’ll happen

[hexed frost]

[spice surge]

That happens pretty frequently

[slate crown]

The bosses can smell your stinky elf through stealth.

[normal mist]

The best way i found to not have this problem is to NOT play nelf and switch to human and be cool. Im partially joking.

[spice surge]

Its never gonna work in tww either if youre deathstalker because corrupt the blood keeps you in combat

[raven night]

can we sim drums?

override.bloodlust=0 like if i make this 2 is it drums

[hexed frost]

/stopattack
/Cast shadowmeld
/Cast !stealth

/Stopattack
/Cancelaura shadowmeld
/Cast [nostealth] Stealth

Idk if these will work

[raven night]

/cast [nostealth]!Shadowmeld; !Stealth /cancelaura [mod:alt] Stealth

try that

click it twice