Also I think if I ever played in colour push would come out of retirement to make sure that didn’t happen
#assassination
shy pecan
Also I think if I ever played in colour push would come out of retirement to mak...
What about Advance? Then maybe you can be my third favorite Advance person
blazing jewel
@ebon notch
limber lion
Buying game time in fated is wild ngl
That's what boredom and free time does to a man I guess
I quit because I simply didn't have time to play at a high level, but now I kinda have nothing but time working a new job in a new town
ebon notch
what happened
blazing jewel
3 new advance applicants in chat rn
ebon notch
bro i have to play holy priest on testing on thursday
blazing jewel
ebon notch
the fotm life chose me
blazing jewel
If you don’t pi kpchi we have problems
blazing jewel
Where yellow class
limber lion
Alright time to blast
shy pecan
Survival? 
shy pecan
Hunter
ebon notch
zac will cover that
shy pecan
He playing outlaw? 
limber lion
How high keys can I do with 485 ilvl
ebon notch
uhhh
limber lion
S3 gear
blazing jewel
zac will cover that
Did he unbind N
ebon notch
Did he unbind N
he's just an addict
ebon notch
I saw your guys' convo in sub chat lol
lmao
shy pecan
He can play sub at least
blazing jewel
Zacsination never forget
ebon notch
is it up to date?
cause blizz added their own version of it
maybe it bricked iut
if you click filter it actually has options now
limber lion
Oh that's interesting, CurseForge doesn't even recognize it
It says that I don't have it installed
Maybe that's why it hasn't updated, I see
ebon notch
sussy
blazing jewel
It’s a private aura
shy pecan
ebon notch
you're going to want to start with your key
blissful cosmos
while playing sanguine blades on single target do i always wants to be above 50 energy even if my evenom buff sometimes drop and im not hitting as many envenoms because of it
blazing jewel
Play around envenom chaining with tier set not sanguine blades
Think this is the command
blissful cosmos
i guess my main question is does staying above 50 energy outdamage spaming evenom like a mad man
blazing jewel
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
blazing jewel
Don’t spam envenom just chain the buff before it times out
limber lion
You chain Envenom, if it drops, then you go back to full-ish energy
Then you start it again
In TWW it's gonna change where you chain Envenoms up to 50% but probs never wanna go below 50%
The effect is so miniscule there
blissful cosmos
how about kingsbane tho does spaming evenom into kingbane outdamage staying above 50 energy?
blissful cosmos
well with 4 piece it says dont care about pooling
right?
says dont play for sanguine just tier set
i think the 4 set explosion does more dmamage then sanguine
based one what that says up there
blazing jewel
It does but the idea is you only env to keep the buff up
So try to refresh it right before it falls off
Unless you’re in kb then you dump because shiv is active
limber lion
i think the 4 set explosion does more dmamage then sanguine
Exactly which is why you do the Envenom chain and do not care about staying above 50%
But just like the past 10 years, during cooldowns you do not pool and you just spam
But outside of cooldowns, you would pool - and in this instance it means keeping up the Envenom chain without wasting Envenom uptime by slamming Envenom too early
blissful cosmos
so if you do it to early the 4 set dont work?
says envenom at the last second of the buff to make it work?
limber lion
No
It does work, but it's not efficient to do so
Because you waste Envenom uptime and thus you get less procs before you run out of energy
So you want to do it at the last second to maximize energy and uptime
If you spam, you get less chains and thus less damage
limber lion
The buff will drop eventually by itself
blissful cosmos
i know
limber lion
Because of energy costs and whatever
blissful cosmos
i have to evenom to keep it up
only time i seen it drop for me is if i have to rupture
limber lion
Like if you know you want to Rupture soon, you might want to Envenom a bit early to get a longer Envenom
To allow you to keep up the chain
limber lion
only time i seen it drop for me is if i have to rupture
Well it will also drop when you literally run out of energy
In an ideal situation it only drops when you physically don't have enough energy to press Envenom
When you literally cannot afford to press Mutilate/Envenom
blissful cosmos
so basically playing like this might even give us more sanguien damage with the tier set i feel like
if we pool so much
blissful cosmos
i know
limber lion
By doing this, it's the same as spamming in terms of Sanguine
It's the exact same uptime
What matters for Sanguine, is not going below 50% to begin with
blissful cosmos
i just feel like if waiting to evnomum for the last second so much it would naturally give us more sanguine damage
limber lion
No, because chaining Envenoms will slow down both parts of Sang
You will spend more time inside Sang in the 50% window
But you will also spend more time outside of the 50% window because you chain Envenoms even under 50% energy
You would get more Sang damage by pooling back to 100% after getting to 50%
But you don't do that
You continue the chain until you're 0 energy
blissful cosmos
oh ok
limber lion
It's kinda the same idea as some people have with Zoldyck
blissful cosmos
alright so il just only care about evnomom last second of the buff
limber lion
As in "the more hp a mob has, the better effect Zoldyck is"
But it's the same effect and same %
limber lion
In the next expansion we'll do much more Sang damage because we pool back to 100% after hitting 50%
But currently we do not care about it at all
blissful cosmos
and druing cooldowns not care about shit
limber lion
Yes
blissful cosmos
spaming like a mad man
blissful cosmos
ok thank you bro
limber lion
Glgl
raven night
cause blizz added their own version of it
pgf is still really good for raid filters and you cant be as specific with dungeon finder
since its easy to type out a few premade filters like 15-15 for av nok uld and 16-16 for the other 5, whereas the blizzard one is a pita to filter for multiple sets
glass hemlock
Is it worth keeping CT up even on ST bosses?
shy pecan
Is it worth keeping CT up even on ST bosses?
4+ targets
glass hemlock
bless, thanks mate
also christ, TLDR of all the messages above: chain envenom at 1 sec outside cd's, spam during cd's xD
glass hemlock
!wa
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
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Pooling Practice Tool
restive marsh
Hey gamers can anyone watch this and tell me what to do better? I was tryint to learn sub rogue but couldn't get the hang of it and decided I would try to give assassination a try u can pm me tips or just comment on the vid idc thanks! Also let me know what I did correctly tysm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZATaY5Zaks&ab_channel=dapigspajamas
glass hemlock
@slate crown hiya! just looking at your WA pack, do you track your defensive cooldowns in a seperate WA or just look at your action bars?
misty holly
Hey gamers can anyone watch this and tell me what to do better? I was tryint to ...
what is your ilevel?
slate crown
<@228712200385200130> hiya! just looking at your WA pack, do you track your defe...
Several things in my pack are not shown when they are not on CD. This is intentional to reduce visual noise on screen.
Defensives, Mobility, CC, all of these things are shown when they are either active or on cooldown, but are hidden when they are not. Try using your defensives with the pack active and you'll see them show up
misty holly
Watching that first pull, how do you track bleeds on targets? Im not seeing an easy way to tell which targets are dotted yet (or if any of them are)
restive marsh
it was 493 I just kinda tab and randomally apply stuff I think
glass hemlock
Several things in my pack are not shown when they are not on CD. This is intenti...
I should have tested that before asking clearly :D! thanks!
i really like how compact it is
restive marsh
Is there a good tool to use that helps with that?
limber lion
Hey gamers can anyone watch this and tell me what to do better? I was tryint to ...
I'm sorry buddy, but literally everything is wrong. You really need to read some guides or check out Whispyr's rotation videos on Youtube
glass hemlock
Is there a good tool to use that helps with that?
plater profile
limber lion
You don't even have poisons
misty holly
it was 493 I just kinda tab and randomally apply stuff I think
I pretty much do that too, but you need to be able to see who already has dots on them.
restive marsh
haha yeah i realized that a few pulls in
slate crown
i really like how compact it is
Hiding the information when they are off CD is a deliberate choice and something I prefer, many prefer to just show them at all times, which is a fine decision as well. That's just one of the design decisions/flavors of my pack, and I can understand if someone prefers them to always be shown.
Thanks, appreciate it.
restive marsh
and applied them
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
limber lion
Read the Wowhead guide and go into the rotation section
You always start pulls from stealth and with Garrotes
It's not worth it for us to go over what is good and what is bad
glass hemlock
This is exactly what I did, grabbed the proper WA's/platers, read the guides, then hit the dummy for 4 hours, then ran m0s
limber lion
Because all the basics are completely missing
You need to spend some time looking into the basics first
restive marsh
Gotcha, I tried to learn rotations and stuff but clearly haven't spent enough time on it haha, but that's a totally fair point
limber lion
This is a good place to start
Like not having poisons and not spreading bleeds is a massive rotational error that you need to fix immediately
misty holly
its tough, the rotation page can be a bit overwhelming, especially for an aoe pull. You dont have to get it all correct to do a +2 key.
limber lion
It's what the spec revolves around entirely
glass hemlock
its tough, the rotation page can be a bit overwhelming, especially for an aoe pu...
Yeah for me I just focused on the 3 or less enemies rotation and the ST rotation. now learning the aoe
limber lion
Would highly recommend going through the videos and spending time hitting dummies
Everyone starts somewhere, so no worries!
restive marsh
WHat kinda damage should I be putting on the dummys before I jump into dungeons?
glass hemlock
Also make sure you are running arterial shock build in low keys instead of DTB seems to be the general advice!
limber lion
WHat kinda damage should I be putting on the dummys before I jump into dungeons?
The damage is irrelevant
What you need from dummies is to know what buttons to press and when
If you're confident you know each button press is the correct one for multiple minutes straight, you're doing good
But just looking at the opener and seeing you run out of stealth and spamming Fan of Knives
Is not it
Just get confident hitting dummies
Maintaining bleeds on them
Getting good weak auras to make sure your poisons don't drop
And you're on your way
restive marsh
Dope, thanks this all very helpful
restive marsh
Also make sure you are running arterial shock build in low keys instead of DTB s...
what does this mean lol
glass hemlock
i'm nearly 510 ilvl, it's taken me about 3 weeks to get consistent 250k-300k overall damage in anything from a +2 to a +8
limber lion
It'll take a few hours to get the basic stuff down but with practice you will get better and better
Mythic+ is an amazing place to practice rotation in, especially lower keys
But I'm sure you'll enjoy it much more as well if you got the basics down first :P
restive marsh
Yeah I was kinda hoping I would pick it up in these lower keys but progress is slow lmaoo
glass hemlock
what does this mean lol
ill find a link to the build 🙂
theres 2 builds, one is for Raid or 15+ keys
restive marsh
nice and the main adjustment to the rotation is that in aoe pulls i use crimson tempest instead of envenom but I should still rupture things right?
glass hemlock
you still use envenom
limber lion
nice and the main adjustment to the rotation is that in aoe pulls i use crimson ...
You maintain CT, you do not spam it
You maintain Rupture to maintain Scent of Blood stacks
You Garrote on cooldown, focusing on IC Empowered Garrotes
You Envenom to take advantage of Spatter + 4p
You go full ham on one big prio target with all cds to Spatter the damage to everything else
And so on
restive marsh
gotchaaaa yeah that makes a ton of sense
limber lion
But it's all pretty basic stuff
glass hemlock
can my work day end so i can play? all this talk makes me want to play hahaha
limber lion
You IC Garrote everything in the opener, then you Rupture if IC is remaining, then you CT
Then you blast one target or spread Ruptures still if you have IC or don't have 5 of them yet
restive marsh
sorry what's IC?
glass hemlock
good to note as well, out of stealth you can garrote the same target twice to get it to spread to targets that don't already have it. not sure if that works with rupture as well?
restive marsh
ohhhhhh which also helps a lot with energy regen having garrote and rupture on all the guys
oh that is a nice tip
less tabbing around lol
glass hemlock
yep! ideal amount for rupture is 5 for scent of blood, which is another talent
restive marsh
yeah i think the most things i ever had ruptured in that video was like 3
glass hemlock
depending on amount of targets i try to garrote x 2, rupture up to 5, fan, CT, mutilate then fan and spam envenom/keep up bleeds
mutilate every 9 seconds for spatter
and kingsbane etc for big targets
at low keys you kind of have to hold your death mark/shadow dance/kingsbane combo for bosses. but you can use it if you know it'll be 2 minutes or more until boss
restive marsh
Yeah i think i held onto those too much for bosses tbh
could have used them on pulls more for sure
also this whispyr vid is really good
limber lion
could have used them on pulls more for sure
In +2 it's not that necessary because stuff dies too quickly
restive marsh
gotcha
limber lion
also this whispyr vid is really good
Once you're done with the basics playlist, this one is a good one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st6UJOP5Ok4
As well as the other "Everything you need to know" videos
restive marsh
Nice! Yeah definitely binging all of these
thin estuary
this is the recommended for lower keys 🙂
Does that mean the hybrid build is for high keys?
limber lion
More like it depends on what you're trying to achieve
But there's more things to consider for higher keys
thin estuary
Like?
limber lion
Do you want more prio damage, do you want more aoe damage, what dungeon is it, what route does the tank take, what comp do you have
and so on
Where as for lower keys everything dies quickly regardless so playing stuff that leans towards prio/st/kingsbane is a bit of a waste
when you can never get a full KB off
restive marsh
Something I've always been confused about is all the things that are buffed by stealth like the extra benefits for Garrote: does that apply to shadow dance as well or just the initial stealth and vanish?
thin estuary
And if I want to lean into prio/st? What talents do I take?
silk bane
Something I've always been confused about is all the things that are buffed by s...
oh boy, this is a really difficult question to answer. there are essentially multiple types of stealths and they mostly behave differently than each other. this link is fuu's feedback on EU forums, it kinda goes over a few different types of stealths, their behaviour and what they impact. https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-rogues/517032/10
its a bit hard to go over everything now because you have true stealth, improved stealth, subterfuge, shadow dance, and things like meld/sepsis etc. hope this helps
restive marsh
wowwwwwww that's wild lmao thanks i'll look into it
silk bane
i think in this one fuu kinda goes over what stealth kinda impacts on each of the specs and what it kinda does in terms of rotation/combat. but he doesnt fully cover and differentiate them. if you have questions later on, feel free to ask
restive marsh
Will do, thanks!
silk bane
Something I've always been confused about is all the things that are buffed by s...
but also to directly answer this, yes shadow dance does apply improved garrote / shrouded suffocation.
restive marsh
Oh thanks! That's very helpful
glass hemlock
restealth is probably the most frustrating part about assa imo, sometimes tank chain pulls to hard, meld -> stealth doesn't work properly etc
glass hemlock
i hope something loads when you do that because i am interested in reading it
haha
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
limber lion
There you go
glass hemlock
yeah i think my issue is i'm so used to being in stealth for opener, using vanish/dance when i'm not doing my big CD's feels awkward for my brain
restive marsh
When I'm focusing on just a single boss do I still use crimson tempest as an extra bleed to upkeep? or is there some reason not to?
glass hemlock
CT is 4+ i think
:>
ST is just chaining envenom at 1 second remaining outside of CD's. and spamming envenom during CD's.
restive marsh
makes sense
glass hemlock
only if you have 4 set obviously.
thin estuary
I am guessing the serated blades for 15+ keys right?
glass hemlock
as far as i know, arterial shock build for under 15ish. and the dragon tempered blades build for over
the DTB build that lets you have 4 poisons
misty holly
You only use CT on 4+ targets
I find that kind of strange because CT is definitely worth using on 3 targets in pvp. I think it might even be worth for 2 targets.
Was real surprised to look through my details after shuffle rounds and see CT as my top damaging ability once I got comfortable using it
limber lion
A 4p Spatter Envenom simply just does more damage
misty holly
That could be the difference, no 4p, and envenom isn't a priority move
silk bane
I find that kind of strange because CT is definitely worth using on 3 targets in...
pvp scaling is different. bleeds overall do a lot more damage than your envenoms
in pvp
restive marsh
Thanks for all the tips gamers everything is already feeling a lot better 😁
robust jasper
if nightstalker snapshots, does getting a rupture off during your shadow dance matter at all? Or is ruptures damage too low for it to matter and is just getting more envenoms worth more?
ocean oyster
Why do i see zerocool constantly go for 6cp envenoms when he has 4cp already?
tacit charm
6cp does more damage 
tacit charm
if nightstalker snapshots, does getting a rupture off during your shadow dance m...
I don’t think so but I’m not sure
ocean oyster
So we shud be going for 6cp envenoms?
tacit charm
Over 4cp yes
ocean oyster
wtf
robust jasper
the guide def says envenom at 4+ so idk
ocean oyster
yeah
robust jasper
and the sim def envenoms at 4
tacit charm
I think it’s 4+ in stealth? Not sure :/
ocean oyster
but zerocool constantly goes for 6 idk
tacit charm
It’s not always 4+ I know that
tacit charm
I’m pretty sure you only go for 4 when you are trying to refresh tier piece is the main thing,
tacit charm
but zerocool constantly goes for 6 idk
Is this in AOE or ST
robust jasper
its 5+ before kingsbane
yeah the guide only says 5+ just before your deathmark/kingsbane
everywhere else its 4+
tacit charm
Idk I’ve never finished kn 4, always 5 or 6
robust jasper
I think youre losing a lot of 4 set value by holding until 5 or 6
noble hawk
How is zerocool even doing so much dmg 
disclaimer: never played assa before
tacit charm
I think youre losing a lot of 4 set value by holding until 5 or 6
I mean no? Unless I’m losing the buff because that then yes
robust jasper
I mean no? Unless I’m losing the buff because that then yes
youre getting less envenoms
and the 4 set proc damage doesnt scale off cps afaik
only reason you do 5+ before deathmark/kingsbane is for increased buff duration
ocean oyster
idk i think ill just ask him when hes on
robust jasper
since youre spending other globals doing stuff
outside of that for envenom chains which lean into value of 4 set, its just optimizing number of envenoms/value
tacit charm
and the 4 set proc damage doesnt scale off cps afaik
Oh shît ,
Ngl I didn’t know that
robust jasper
I mean dont quote me but it doesnt read that it does
and that would make sense why the sim/guide says 4+
shy pecan
You finish on 4+.
tacit charm
That would make total sense then yea, just so that you get more procs
glass hemlock
!wa
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Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
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Pooling Practice Tool
ocean oyster
yeah actually i see him finish 4+ sometimes I think hes just looking at something else and does 2 mutilates
shy pecan
What a streamer does doesn't necessarily mean always it's the correct play.
ocean oyster
Yeah was just wondering if I could be doing something wrong
tacit charm
How is zerocool even doing so much dmg <:dracthyr_blob_sweat:1002454112232804414...
Sin just scales really well into high keys, when stuff can lives for your whole cds
Like o was doing a +8 trying out sin and stuff was dying too fast for me to actually ramp
noble hawk
But damn, outdps'ing priests and shit
robust jasper
lot of bad sps out there lol
tacit charm
Ye it’s still insane
glass hemlock
^
robust jasper
also consider hes probably getting the SPs PI
tacit charm
He def is
robust jasper
but yeah sp should def still beat assa
ocean oyster
He does get beat by good SPs
robust jasper
nothing really competes with SPs in big pulls
they have linear scaling aoe dps
and above a certain target count your void form is effectively infinite
I regularly get 1 and a half minute void forms lol
its comically broken
noble hawk
Is sin target capped?
robust jasper
soft capped
noble hawk
Damn, what a life 
robust jasper
p much every spec is soft capped
noble hawk
Time to actually keep off-gear to fuck around and find out
robust jasper
be glad you arent outlaw
noble hawk
I am outlaw
noble hawk
noble hawk
Never been a friend of DoTs so never bothered, time to actually think about assa
As long as I dont need to play sub
robust jasper
its reasonably compelling
rotation is pretty formulaic but its rewarding to do right and kingsbane is just a fun button to juice up
noble hawk
Completely different stats & weapons, nvm, gotta wait a while that idea xD
shy pecan
Stats don't matter for sin
noble hawk
Kinda surprised, but nice I figure
shy pecan
If you want to use your outlaw gear for it, it's fine. It won't make as big of a deal as you might thing.
noble hawk
Murloc was saying 81% Mastery, was faaar off xD
shy pecan
Don't use data aggregation sites to determine your gear and stats. Use sims.
noble hawk
Since I am at work, I used it to get a rough overview about the average itemization of the specc
shy pecan
Even then, that can be deceiving.
Like the only two things that you might be able to get out of it are the embellishments (double BSL) and likely trinkets (Ashes with whatever on-use). Everything else is depending on what gear you can get.
noble hawk
Aye
primal jolt
why is sub rogue so hard
or am i just a sin onetrick pony
dumbass idiot cant play anything else
akshually no, not true i can play arms warrior like a professional warrior player
😎
earnest remnant
at the top end id say they are pretty similar i just think Sub's barrier of entry is alot higher than most other things in this game
glass hemlock
!wa
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Pooling Practice Tool
primal jolt
if I dont doom tomorrow I probably died, the thunderstorm outside is like a machine gun
wtf is this
primal jolt
i think shaman mains caused this
fluid drift
i dont understand why both fire rings are best while you dont use shadowflame but blue silken lining
balmy condor
Grieftorch as well
glass hemlock
better then rings with no effects
rotund oak
and torch procs it as well
balmy condor
But yeh the shield ring is literally just a good ring
fluid drift
ok
balmy condor
Regardless of procs
rotund oak
im a hipster and crafted a bsl ring though
also going with ouroboreal necklet
coz im a tanky boi
40% vers
primal jolt
can someone do me a favour and swap sub with outlaw
outlaw channel is a bit too close to sin
makes me feel uncomfortable
especially since i sometimes fatfinger and open the outlaw channel
sick garnet
especially since i sometimes fatfinger and open the outlaw channel
Welcome to the good site then i guess
marble hemlock
especially since i sometimes fatfinger and open the outlaw channel
skill issue
assassination and its multidotting require careful target selection with precise mouse clicks or tab-targetting. if you missclick a lot and end up in outlaw, maybe you were halfway there already.
marble hemlock
you were walking the path of the outlaw without knowing it
marble hemlock
primal jolt
i need to go wash off my sin's after this conversation
ebon notch
outlaw uses daggers
slate crown
https://tenor.com/view/bad-callouts-rogue-gif-26757787
yo
wtf
is this
I wake up to this in the safe channel
potent raven
hello my fellow outlaw mains
rotund oak
Tira is legit
quiet oar
I wake up to this in the safe channel
Sin isnt a safe channel
potent raven
such a good gif
quiet oar
I wake up to this in the safe channel
rotund oak
Sin isnt a safe channel
wasnt for ur cute dogo ild go 4reich on ur @ss 🙂
this discord is sacred
outlaw channel needs purging from the DH infestation thats all
quiet oar
Can also Provide this
twilit wave
hey guys new to rogue, what offensives, defensives and utility should i track for m+ with omnicd?'
normal mist
hey guys new to rogue, what offensives, defensives and utility should i track fo...
As in what do you have as a rogue?
normal mist
Evasion, cloak of shadows, crimson phial (I believe that's the name), feint are your defensives
twilit wave
thanks, and how about offensives?
normal mist
As assa correct?
limber lion
With Omnicd?
normal mist
Assa: deathmark, shiv, shadowdance, kingsbane, vanish
limber lion
As in tracking stuff on the party frames or on your character?
Why not just use Weakauras
normal mist
Why not just use Weakauras
No :C
((TMW gang))
Cev enjoying wow since yesterday? Managed to get into any m+ groups?
limber lion
Let's just say that I'm an LFR god
normal mist
solid mica
where can we turn small crests in to big crests now?
solid mica
terrible deal, but thanks!
slate crown
It's low throughput to be sure but like, not like you're doing anything else with the the small crests
fallen bay
does blindside make ambush replace mutilate ? Or is it like you have to have separate keybind for that
slate crown
Completely replaces it, you are physically incapable of casting mutilate when blindside is up
gaunt mortar
for sin in m+ do we sim patchwork or dungeon slice?
slate crown
for sin in m+ do we sim patchwork or dungeon slice?
dslice
nimble zinc
for sin in m+ do we sim patchwork or dungeon slice?
Dungeon slice usually for m+
gaunt mortar
ty all
spice spire
Completely replaces it, you are physically incapable of casting mutilate when bl...
Maybe you are, but I’m different
slate crown
Maybe you are, but I’m different
It's true, takes grinding the grungles for years to build up the fortitude. I will never keep up
spice spire
Ty for acknowledging the grustle
hallow token
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
quiet oar
It's true, takes grinding the grungles for years to build up the fortitude. I wi...
Quake is so old, he plays the game from 2 patches ago
spice spire
??????
slate crown
Quake is so old, he plays the game from 2 patches ago
All 3 of us have SnD in our names I don't think we can talk
quiet oar
Im not old
shy pecan
??????????????????
nimble zinc
👀
royal lantern
royal lantern
rotund oak
Completely replaces it, you are physically incapable of casting mutilate when bl...
the urge to blindside is just too stronk
rotund oak
https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-parsley-parsleythehusky-baby-gif-20511725
put ur dogo on a picture again or else
quiet oar
put ur dogo on a picture again or else
royal lantern
i love him
gusty mirage
firstly, why tf are you hiding your dog from us
secondly why are you not sharing more pictures in #1146207476983812117
keen spruce
normal mist
It's alright
rotund oak
secondly why are you not sharing more pictures in <#1146207476983812117>
actually one of the cutest good boys even witnessed in a photo
looks happy as well
a job well done
spice spire
What a silly lil guy
quiet oar
firstly, why tf are you hiding your dog from us
Im not hiding anything, he just doesnt like to be photographed
quiet oar
What a silly lil guy
He can be sassy
He dug a tunnel under our Fence
Just to complain at the gate, that he isnt inside the garden anymore
quiet oar
Well actually he didnt dug the tunnel
He showed our 2nd second where to dig
and let him do the work
noble hawk
That sounds like smth my cats would pull on me
chrome sail
hugging squid or fireballs pew pew for 2nd trinket ? 😄
gusty mirage
fireballs pewpew
hugging squid cringe
cause if squid hugs you outside of CDs trinket is borderline worthless
rotund oak
and let him do the work
now im curious for the 2nd one as well
royal lantern
we always need more fuel in that channel
unborn pulsar
Does dungeon sim work for Assas?
normal mist
Yes
chilly grove
140 applys 1inv ... #ass
grim jay
140 applys 1inv ... #ass
I get invited pretty frequently
grim jay
alright, I didnt queue anything above 14 with pugs, I prefer premades for that 😄
but makes sense that people dont invite on 16s
you are melee and not meta
dark token
Assa feasting in low keys with the execute buff affix
And sudden demise buff
Holy moly
austere sorrel
Execute is calculated with dots + sudden demise? So they blow up?
royal lantern
yes, zoldyck is calculated in
slate crown
Assa feasting in low keys with the execute buff affix
Oh yeah 
slate crown
Assa feasting in low keys with the execute buff affix
I mean it could even be nuts in high keys no? 200% is massive
shy pecan
I mean it could even be nuts in high keys no? 200% is massive
Nah, since it stops at 12
slate crown
oh duh right
nimble zinc
i dont get any inv for 16s
I never get invited to keys on my rogue unless I have a really juicy tank with me
shy pecan
I just go vers. Flat damage across the board plus a little DR to boot
next dust
@gusty mirage this tilts me a bit
gusty mirage
sharp viper
rotund oak
Just go with vers
40% vers gank
still gapping ppl on weekly 10s
(no WA's btw was capping my alt in shuffle)
spice spire
only 414k overall
Bit toxic innit mister raccoon man 
grim jay
Bit toxic innit mister raccoon man <:Susge:888573531468734555>
Hes just motivating him
Deeply caring about his future
Moving him to be a better version of himself every day
rotund oak
Moving him to be a better version of himself every day
ik,now ill be forced to play sub and hit those 500k+
cant let mr racoon down
grim jay
ik,now ill be forced to play sub and hit those 500k+
You need to play sin until you hit my 777k in bracken
Without aug
rotund oak
<:feelsloveman:587982296519278593>
i think i did around 550k in bh but not exactly sure
quiet oar
Or
rotund oak
in any case need more gear
quiet oar
You dont play at all
rotund oak
im smol
quiet oar
Cata
rotund oak
💅
quiet oar
Actually
grim jay
Because thsts the Best way to play this season
Im gearing my alts so I replace the gear 1 quest later
quiet oar
I mean you will prolly replace it at 78 or something
rotund oak
idk,ill just put my rogue on a good enough a shape for tww
and gonna play something else till launch
rng needs to gimme myth track tier slots
rotund oak
huuuge
quiet oar
I even got forgestorm on myth track
quiet oar
Kek
grim jay
Rogue is 527 and the others are like 518-520
quiet oar
I stopped my dh at515 weeks ago
hexed frost
Rogue is 527 and the others are like 518-520
My outlaw was at 526 when I made an assa rogue and it's at 524 now.
Will get embersoul this reset
vapid terrace
hero -> myth dagger or hero -> myth tier pants but lose leech? ST sim shows dagger higher, m+ is pants but im not sure how high to value my currenty 19% leech
nimble zinc
You need to play sin until you hit my 777k in bracken
dude
nimble zinc
hero -> myth dagger or hero -> myth tier pants but lose leech? ST sim shows dagg...
i feel like weapon always sims higher than any other pc of gear
i would go dagger unless you have 2x awakened daggers already
I hate this fucking game
seriously - my 2 525 crafted pieces.
i still have head, neck, shoulders, chest, pants and boots that are hero... my dude.
wtf is this game
runic hinge
I hate this fucking game
My 2 slots from m+ we’re also bracers belt
Very cool thanks
nimble zinc
My 2 slots from m+ we’re also bracers belt
further proof this game is trash
runic hinge
Meh whatever. Vault day just isn’t exciting this season
nimble zinc
yeah buying your bis with bullions defeats the purpose a bit
runic hinge
When I get all the good stuff from bullion vault is just whatever
nimble zinc
just sucks you cant even farm liek myth tier pieces.
like I see no point in running higher than a +10 because it doesn't drop better loot
imagine if a +15 actually dropped myth loot
but then you wouldnt get into groups for 15's unless you were already 527+
so would also defeat the purpose.
lethal mortar
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
indigo epoch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cQf2rFjE6pH2zJd6jnRRgk
nelths over grieftorch for M+? seems wack but 2.5% is not a small amount
limber lion
Nelth has always been a super strong trinket for Mythic+
Also I wouldn't be surprised if double active was a bit funky in Dslice
radiant osprey
how do i proc diurna's chosen ?
spice spire
Helm enchant , torch, etc.
radiant osprey
what ab shadowflame ench?
glass hemlock
now, i know when we are outside CD's we use envenom when time remaining is at 1 second. do you guys use the time in between envenoms to keep bleeds up on enemies etc?
slate crown
You can if bleeds are falling, yes
during the in between you are applying bleeds when appropriate, building up combo points for your next envenom
Then when more time is remaining before 1 sec, you just wait
glass hemlock
yeah okay thats what i am doing so just wanted to make sure i wans't missing something fundamental
runic hinge
now, i know when we are outside CD's we use envenom when time remaining is at 1 ...
!pandemic
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
runic hinge
I hope that is kinda what you mean
glass hemlock
yeah kinda but not really :). it was more what to do with the free gcd's while waiting to envenom again
but Lisonna explained well
slate crown
You take stock of your life and contemplate your choices.
glass hemlock
hahaha
slate crown
What is your relationship with the buttons you are pressing
balmy condor
I take the time to read chat or talk in assa
slate crown
What is your relationship to this game
Why are you here. What were the circumstances that led to you being in this game
Things of this nature
glass hemlock
woot, my first myth track piece from vault!
i tend to just think how much better i am then anyone who isn't a rogue yakniow
balmy condor
Yeah as long as you don’t say it out loud
slate crown
woot, my first myth track piece from vault!
grats
balmy condor
Mages and warlocks would laugh so hard you’d need counseling
modest ivy
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
distant plinth
!fuu
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onyx rampart
Grieftorch + fragment for m+ right? Ashes for raid? Sims confuse me 😦
grim jay
Grieftorch + fragment for m+ right? Ashes for raid? Sims confuse me 😦
Just ashes and grief for both
rotund oak
Grieftorch + fragment for m+ right? Ashes for raid? Sims confuse me 😦
ashes+torch
everywhere
primal jolt
ashes and torch
onyx rampart
Nice, much appreciated
primal jolt
i just got myself a free redbull
however
redbull is ass
and i cant possibly pump with this gamer juice
dont ask me why was it free though
next dust
primal jolt
the shaman changes are out
🔥
the ankh one is my favourite
overall really good changes
balmy condor
You realize this is a rogue discord right
balmy condor
I don’t need to
primal jolt
shame
balmy condor
The fact you posted it means it’s a pointless shitpost not worth my time
Cause that’s kinda what you do
primal jolt
who hurt you :(
balmy condor
No one in particular I’m just getting kinda sick of opening the channel and seeing you post some irrelevant nonsense and would appreciate it if you could stop
onyx rampart
I like the astral recall change, that'll add some excitement
balmy condor
Thanks
balmy condor
Sorry to hear that
primal jolt
its jover
balmy condor
i feel like this could've been solved in a less harsh way
You are right though I’m sorry, bit heated over something else
normal mist
Pino gotta go back to non dooming shit posting and chill with the rest of us
Use #transmog more
grim jay
You are right though I’m sorry, bit heated over something else
Did you look at oxis pics again?
I told you its not good for you
balmy condor
Use <#226403529894526987> more
Transmog the last safe haven from the reality that prepatch is in like 3 weeks
balmy condor
I’m a “please don’t release this expac in August” enjoyer
grim jay
I kinda am on your side as far as changes go
But I cant take more of df
Or atleast no more awakened
forest nacelle
I’m a “please don’t release this expac in August” enjoyer
same, should have been pushed back atleast 2 months if not more.....
primal jolt
i mean maybe they delay it? hero talents are a big deal
or disable hero talents for the first month of the game?
balmy condor
Too late to delay it im pretty sure
Disabling would be too drastic
It’s just gonna be Dragonflight again
Release some whack shit and then “after listening to feedback we’re bringing some changes…” 4 months in
Think about all the class trees that were just horrid on release
They recognized 3 point nodes sucked at the end of beta
And it took until 10.2 to get rid of them
They just have this self-fulfilling prophecy of making something, realizing it’s kinda problematic, and then not having enough time to fix it
So then we limp into a patch
And its problematic
So 2-3 gets fixed every patch
And some class gets stuck with the short stick and has to wait
normal mist
Transmog the last safe haven from the reality that prepatch is in like 3 weeks
We already started cooking with 11.0 stuff hehe
primal jolt
the harsh truth is, we are irelevant least played class
paladin is ready to go
and so are other popular classes
I'll be greatful if they don't delay the fixes too long for rogue
balmy condor
Ye I can’t really blame them for it either but it’s just a feedback loop
primal jolt
im honestly tired of complaining
balmy condor
Me too man
primal jolt
idk if they even read any of the forums or anything
balmy condor
Deathstalker drained me
balmy condor
Flensing knives deleted and the only thing I feel is relief
And then dread cause there’s like 5 other talents that need help
primal jolt
i was literally rerolling for two weeks trying to find peace but im back again since i dont enjoy anything else
nothing left but to keep complaining and praying someone reads something
and it doesn't help that theres like 3k rogues complaining vs thousands of others
even if they read shit we're just overshadowed anyway
primal jolt
i mean theres a reason elemental shaman is like the biggest piece of shit ever
no one plays it unless its fotm
and that's extremely rare to begin with
i played elemental most of my life and just gave up
balmy condor
Corrigan foaming at the mouth cause he knows it’s true
But yeah at some point it’s a self fulfilling prophecy
Like you push the smallest communities to the bottom so you’re stuck keeping them at the bottom and they lose players cause it’s always underplayed and mid
Cycle over and over
primal jolt
like its just so infuriating to me, dont they ever look at the rogue player base numbers
and be like
damn
that's 0.001 of the players
i wonder why
like the class is impossible to pick up for new players, and there's a reason casuals don't play it
balmy condor
It’s insanely confusing for new players but the work needed to untangle the whole thing is just insurmountable at this point
primal jolt
with the current state of hero talents i wouldn't be surprised if rouge would just leak whatever its left of it
of the players
grim jay
even if they read shit we're just overshadowed anyway
I dont think they do it like that
primal jolt
that's how it feels
grim jay
They just take the feedback good vs bad and adjust time how they see fit
And especially only towards stuff they feel like it could be different
primal jolt
but like how can paladin get literally protagonist tier changes
every week
quality of life changes one after another
and my fucking kingsbane gets parried by razageth
like ????
i will never stop being mad at parry in fucking 2024
its not fucking classic wow
grim jay
and my fucking kingsbane gets parried by razageth
Many things can get parried
primal jolt
last time i checked there isn't any other class that can get a big cd parried like rogue
grim jay
but like how can paladin get literally protagonist tier changes
Idk, we just recently had a rework and our spec itself is pretty fire. Its nearly exlusively hero talents, so you cant compare that
grim jay
last time i checked there isn't any other class that can get a big cd parried li...
Yeah well bcs they dont have skills like that
But parry is mostly a skill issue tbf
As you can just position yourself correctly if you know its there
primal jolt
it makes you sound like you're defending blizzard
with this 💩
i dont wanna doom anymore
pls move on
grim jay
No I just dont take exclusively negative stances and pin everything on them
primal jolt
no more 😭
royal lantern
It’s insanely confusing for new players but the work needed to untangle the whol...
yep, thats the #1 rogue problem and why its unpopular, and thats not even new players
like, i can show legit really good players in my guild some rogue stuff, and they get confused really quick
soooo many things are not intuitive at all
hearty pulsar
What's the best talents to run on Fort weeks with Kingsbane?
grim jay
What's the best talents to run on Fort weeks with Kingsbane?
The same as on tyra
hearty pulsar
The same as on tyra
Dont use Tempest?
grim jay
soooo many things are not intuitive at all
I think there are some specs more difficult to pick up, but might just be me playing rogue for long
grim jay
Dont use Tempest?
If you are at a key level and group setup where you wouldve wanted to play without it before, probably
primal jolt
also another hot take i think tea should have never been a thing
royal lantern
its also why the class has so many wrong understandings/opinions
when you see a class that has quiet a few stealth based talents and many of them are played, can you really blame them for thinking that stealth is giga important and everyone that says "yeha its good but not THAT big overall" is trolling a bit?
primal jolt
its a stupid concept
lavish pine
Rogue are confusing indeed but if you always played rogue then it's super hard changing. I've been searching for a Alt and no other class feels for fun me...
royal lantern
I think there are some specs more difficult to pick up, but might just be me pla...
the biggest problem is that rogue is not really good at communicating what you actually should do in the first Place
grim jay
its also why the class has so many wrong understandings/opinions
when you see a...
Thats literally not reading the other parts, never understood that one
grim jay
the biggest problem is that rogue is not really good at communicating what you a...
Thats true, kinda like arcane
royal lantern
like, look at Outlaw
you cant tell me that somebody can pick up outlaw and knows how to play it properly by themself
grim jay
But they even managed to tangle a low button spec like fire up with talents where you dont intuitively know how to do stuff
primal jolt
any class that requires you to have weakauras to play optimally is a shit class and bad game design
grim jay
any class that requires you to have weakauras to play optimally is a shit class ...
Thats like many specs
royal lantern
cus like, any class with more then 1 dot and 1 buff window is that
grim jay
Which is what WAs are for in the first place tho
grim jay
Only having specs where WAs do nothing will bring forth even more bm hunters
Or rets
Or furys
primal jolt
i don't understand how can you call shit game design skill issue to begin with
grim jay
i don't understand how can you call shit game design skill issue to begin with
Well because it requires barely any effort to avoid it
primal jolt
i honestly dont care, it requires barely any effort to fix aswell:)
grim jay
Should it be a thing? No. Is it big enough to get worked up? No. Can you avoid it? Yes.
grim jay
i honestly dont care, it requires barely any effort to fix aswell:)
But they dont want to
They said they want to keep it
primal jolt
because they dont care
grim jay
Its still not exclusively rogue getting parried
grim jay
A realist
Its their game, if they want it to be a part for whatever reason (despite everything) and I can avoid it without much effort, why get worked up?
You cant change it anyways if they actively said they wanna keep it even with all the feedback
grim jay
cus like, any class with more then 1 dot and 1 buff window is that
Imo rogue doesnt even have the hardest specs anymore to begin with
So I dont get the difficulty discussion
Most of the time
Take mage for example as a popular class, arcane is an abomination if it comes to buttons and getting what do, frost isnt really intuitive (f.e. Shatter) albeit being easy and fire is also weird with many things basically since skb is a talent
And people suck
There is not one other class that people suck as much on and still play it
There are 3.4k+ rio fire mages that literally do tankdamage
pulsar apex
returning player. so Blindside now auto-swaps Ambush button?
limber lion
Yu
subtle tundra
i don't understand how can you call shit game design skill issue to begin with
you do realise it would massively reduce what blizz could do with specs, right?
some specs are already very similar
theres 38 spec or whatever
undone tinsel
for first boss AA, do we CT the adds? I see Zero not do it.
undone tinsel
he does
steady owl
Personally i feel like blizzard allowing addons and wa's is why the gameplay is as fun and interesting as it is. I feel like without out it, it would still be closer to vanilla wow. Us being able to create ways to track all kinds of debuffs, procs and buffs in the game has given them way more room to make fun interractions between spells and its a better product for it. If you look at the ffxiv ui all the stuff they added to it recently has been things that players were already using addons for anyway but against the tos, cus the players know what they want and could be improved but the devs are way less people and dont think of it, but in wow were all kinda influencing the development of the game with what we do with addons.
nimble zinc
Its still not exclusively rogue getting parried
I had my garrote get parried by a boss the other day lol
subtle tundra
He probably just doesn't play CT
i am not allowed to comment on the matter
limber lion
he does
Alright just looked at his most recent AA video and he fails to put CT up with the first adds until all the adds are almost dead, which is just a missplay.
He should definitely put CT up much earlier
This is when he applies CT the first time which is just incorrect play.
vestal wren
Personally i feel like blizzard allowing addons and wa's is why the gameplay is ...
any game would benefit from having customizable interfaces, only a very small amount of games benefits from disallowing users to customize
spice surge
Its just the "We dont need damage to adds, rather have more damage to the boss"
spice surge
For max personal damage you would 100% ct
Not sure how big the difference is in pure singletarget ct at 5+ vs envenom
nimble zinc
Yeah I always CT the adds right away and then caustic splatter
limber lion
https://youtu.be/uPkEx5tma-w?si=jJaG0Xdfz5WAqcuB&t=131
I mean here he is definitely not even playing CT
He's probably playing the cleave build without CT
undone tinsel
ooo okay. yea prob not here. ok nvm then ty
marble hemlock
Personally i feel like blizzard allowing addons and wa's is why the gameplay is ...
limber lion
Personally i feel like blizzard allowing addons and wa's is why the gameplay is ...
Which is also why Blizzard is designing encounters with weakauras and other addons in mind.
Instead of destroying them, they embrace them and accept them as part of their game now.
marble hemlock
Private Auras 
limber lion
Sometimes they still (try to) make encounters and abilities not trackable with WeakAuras and sometimes they do a good job at it, sometimes not so much
Like the Among Us mechanic on Lords of Dread
vestal wren
the among us mechanic was poorly designed to begin with
slate crown
Personally i feel like blizzard allowing addons and wa's is why the gameplay is ...
It's a forever back and forth etc etc, you know the song and dance. It's also not a strict allow/not allow, it has a gradient.
I think overall this game is better off for it. There some things that are removed from this game because of them existing (tighter UI control and design from the game developers rather than players, and how that can play into the overall game experience) but those are things I don't need in this game for myself, there are other games to get that experience.
It's also hard to separate the personal benefit for me, the amount of learning / growth / energy I've been able to gather for myself by being able to make WA stuff is huge, this is less of an overall playerbase benefit but for addon / WA authors it is a great outlet. It's almost more of the "gameplay" for me at different phases of the game's seasonal cycle
nimble zinc
I think i might be attending a mythic raid again later this week. What's the best build for Primal Council? Cleave w/ IC and CT (but no iron wire) ?
grim jay
I think i might be attending a mythic raid again later this week. What's the bes...
I just play the m+ build honestly
The shock one
But that not the best option
Wait a sec
nimble zinc
I just play the m+ build honestly
thats what I did last time but I was called out for having iron wire...
grim jay
thats what I did last time but I was called out for having iron wire...
Yeah iron wire is useless
That without iw
Which you should probably move to increased weapon poison dmg
nimble zinc
wait, you're taking tiny toxic blade?
limber lion
Definitely instead of Blindside because you're not using Mutilate ever so it's a completely dead talent
Also should probably take the Fan of Knives talent for the increased range if you care about that
Venom Rush ain't doing much at all either
Both pretty much dead talents, Venom Rush gains like 2s of use when the other bosses die and you have to Mutilate once or twice lol
grim jay
Well for applying caustic
But I didnt see much value in the other choice either
Which is why I didnt change
But I also forgot to swap off of iw
Because im a goofball
nimble zinc
so this
grim jay
Yeah
grim jay
Improved Poisons instead of Fatal Concoction
Hu really?
limber lion
Otherwise looks fine
limber lion
Hu really?
Improved Poisons is a lot better because it directly contributes to how much damage your Kingsbane + Spatter does
Fatal Conc only increases the damage of Deadly/Amp poison
We pretty much only take Fatal Conc if we have to path to Amp Poison
Otherwise you never really want to take it
But the robot is always correct, so if it tells you to take it for some ungodly reason, then you take it
But it probably won't. Or it's marginal.
grim jay
Mh yeah I guess. I dont have any sims on that since I usually dont take that boss serious anyways
But he should sim then
clever sapphire
council is the only boss you should take seriously in voti, and i will stand by that
spice surge
council is the only boss you should take seriously in voti, and i will stand by ...
The disrespect towards mr T
clever sapphire
mine was one of them
im pretty sure one of our weeks was almost purely terros prog
grim jay
We killed him shortly before I lost the remaining bit of my sanity at that point
Was still the same evening, but way too many pulls
clever sapphire
all of my guilds so far seem to have an issue with mechanics where you have to take 2 steps in a direction and 1 in the opposite
so left right bosses
limber lion
Week of Terros 
grim jay
all of my guilds so far seem to have an issue with mechanics where you have to t...
Thats probably most guilds
Especially if individual fails affect the raid more than just Player x dead
patent vessel
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
patent vessel
nifty
nimble zinc
Improved Poisons is a lot better because it directly contributes to how much dam...
yeah I wondered that because both the rogue tree and assa tree have a talent that improves weapon poison dmg by 10%
and
