#assassination
limber lion
Can probs get a better neck down the line anyways
stable pasture
ye
limber lion
Mimiron was only for TC accs previously, so I think so
balmy condor
I have an API key but can't see it on my account, seri had to give it to me manually
limber lion
Lmao
balmy condor
very doomed
limber lion
:doom:
stable pasture
Do they have like a un-known special package
that just gives fkin 300+ cores
to run faster lol
if I email them "i want to buy the secret package pls"
hot fulcrum
if I email them "i want to buy the secret package pls"
just find correct email. this is the main problem
hot fulcrum
Looks pretty easy to me
no. it's secret email for sure. So public one will not help you
limber lion
Right right
balmy condor
that just gives fkin 300+ cores
I wish
I was running a pretty dense and complicated sim doing some dungeon comparisons
had it running with the swift stuff
started it at like 5pm, ate dinner
came back
3%
hot fulcrum
I have smth like 14 cores. Can it help?)
hot fulcrum
I was trying to be helpful)
And also I'm drunk and not english native speaker at all)))
balmy condor
the issue is that sims are just a ton of computing
limber lion
I'll never understand the russian emoji
hot fulcrum
I'll never understand the russian emoji
man. I'm ukrainian
limber lion
where's the eyes
hot fulcrum
and then you close it))
true)
balmy condor
implied obviously
limber lion
I see
hot fulcrum
But when do you open it
some other dialogs)
balmy condor
everything is a secret
limber lion
Advanced coding
balmy condor
I agree its weird tho
hot fulcrum
You don't need to open and close and the same chat)
I'm kind here and not so happy in some other one)
hot fulcrum
And also I don't want to pay 4 additional symbols like ":"
limber lion
Is it the classic -.-
limber lion
Jajajaja
hot fulcrum
I saw one guy laugh with xxxx one time
we still use D at the end)
stable pasture
Man maybe i should just role sub for raid since i got so much vers/mastery gear lol
balmy condor
the classic brazil jajaja
slate crown
implied obviously
Implied coding, the best kind of code
earnest remnant
I saw one guy laugh with xxxx one time
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
slate crown
heueheueueueueh
stable pasture
jajaja
balmy condor
Implied coding, the best kind of code
a conversation is just assembly for humans
runic hinge
raidbots is using threadrippers
wish youd thread rip me
balmy condor
aight that's not assembly
gusty mirage
okay korean
حححححح
hot fulcrum
at the same time it's rly dagger)
gusty mirage
hot fulcrum
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
this one is looks like suicide with pistol. Idk if this is allowed here in a chat to say such words
so I'm sorrry
balmy condor
I see those weird racket machines
limber lion
Okay nerd
balmy condor
limber lion
🤓
balmy condor
these things
hot fulcrum
Very interesting.
I have war in my country) So death is fine 🙂
limber lion
LUL true
balmy condor
what are they called
limber lion
Idk how did you even find em
gusty mirage
how the fuck did you even google this without knowing what it's called?
limber lion
"wooden racket thingy that makes funny noise"
hot fulcrum
how the fuck did you even google this without knowing what it's called?
chatgpt)
gusty mirage
earnest remnant
LMFAO
limber lion
damn
earnest remnant
aint no way
slate crown
did that work in google
limber lion
Great name
limber lion
Rolls off the tonguye
limber lion
Eyyy
gusty mirage
kinda like Cev be acting ratchet
earnest remnant
limber lion
stable pasture
Why is it that on logs
It's mostly only Asian players playing sub?
But nothing else
Dominating
Asia region
balmy condor
they have their own ecosystem of streamers/content creators/theorycrafters
grave osprey
We forgot about pedro I guess(
Hm?
gilded oasis
hot fulcrum
grave osprey
❤️
grave osprey
These pre-patch class changes cant come soon enough 😩
limber lion
Oh like what
tall jay
Wait? What class changes? I don’t think we have any lol
They still cooking in the kitchen
spice surge
حححححح
Cant you just write the letter that looks like a smiley straight up. Iirc its the one that sounds roughly like T
Maybe thats only at the end of a word or some shit, i didnt get very far trying to learn the arabic script tbh
agile locust
What’s the best sin spec for M+?
agile locust
Build I mean
limber lion
Right
agile locust
Sry
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
limber lion
Can find it in Wowhead
agile locust
Thanks
grave osprey
Wait? What class changes? I don’t think we have any lol
the 6 sec changes to subterfuge, IC, etc. Imo i feel like its a good change, specially in M+.
balmy condor
most people actually kinda complaining about that cause we lose dance
tall jay
the 6 sec changes to subterfuge, IC, etc. Imo i feel like its a good change, spe...
Yea I know, I was hoping they have fixed the hero ones
grave osprey
Yea I know, I was hoping they have fixed the hero ones
dont worry, blizzard will come through and give us some more SOLID changes 👌
grave osprey
most people actually kinda complaining about that cause we lose dance
Can't please everyone i suppose
balmy condor
yeh
grave osprey
another round of 100% buffs to Deathstauwuker when ? 
agile locust
Looking at learning testing what spec will be ahead for rogues in the tww?
nimble zinc
Are we still gonna be stonk at raid and keys?
balmy condor
way too early to tell
nimble zinc
I heard they reworked KB in TWW?
spice surge
I heard they reworked KB in TWW?
It got nerfed
The word rework is really getting watered down
fresh abyss
can we ask pvp questions here?
balmy condor
The word rework is really getting watered down
insane shaman rework on the war within beta
thin estuary
insane shaman rework on the war within beta
Is shaman even a playable class? 
primal jolt
glass hemlock
If I recorded an m+ boss fight etc and posted video here would that be okay? Or not allowed? Just feel like I’m missing something but really not sure what!
Could also just be that I’m still doing low keys
slate crown
Recording combat logs is typically a better way to capture your play for sharing and review
glass hemlock
I’ll look tonight then!
slate crown
Warcraftlogs website should have a guide on how to do so, once you set it up it's very easy to do
slate crown
I knew there was a simguide one but didn't know about a how-to-log one
prisma monolithBOT
Updated.
balmy condor
!logguide
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
balmy condor
notlikethis
gilded oasis
prisma monolithBOT
Updated.
ember mural
balmy condor
!warcraftlogs
prisma monolithBOT
Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:
Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)
balmy condor
aight that works
slate crown
aight that works
!warcraftlogs Nice work. @glass hemlock FYI
prisma monolithBOT
Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:
Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)
glass hemlock
Awesome! Thanks so much
gilded oasis
limber lion
spell run
ruby birch
fresh abyss
does anyone here disable nameplate tracking of poisons?
i'm wondering if i'll ever need to see my poisons for any reason, or even debuffs like Internal Bleeding - should i just have garrote/rupture/kingsblade/deathmark?
balmy condor
poisons can be okay to track in some niche aoe situations
internal bleed definitely not
gilded oasis
I disable all but one usually
balmy condor
yeh I just track deadly
fresh abyss
so Internal Bleeding out, any others other than leaving just 1 poison?
balmy condor
nah
but remember that deathmark adds duplicate versions
with different spell id's
so you need to get rid of all of those
slate crown
I remove basically every single thing except garrote and rupture, I don't even show Deadly, though I recognize the benefit in doing so
balmy condor
no need to track the deathmark duplicates
fresh abyss
no need to track the deathmark duplicates
oh good point, do you know how i could find the duplicates' spell ids?
balmy condor
slate crown
balmy condor
but yeh just press deathmark and hover
if you have elvui it'll do it as well
lots of things that do it
in should be in the 400,000 range
robust jasper
!faq
balmy condor
wat
gusty mirage
most people actually kinda complaining about that cause we lose dance
Same people complained about dance adding another button too
balmy condor
well yeh
gusty mirage
balmy condor
that's the cycle of life
"why does this useful thing exist"
okay we'll get rid of it
"BLIZZARD WHY DID YOU GET RID OF IT"
robust jasper
if you reapply garrote to a target that received an empowered garrote from stealth, how does that interaction work? Does it completely delete the old 20% boosted garrotes damage? Or does it like smart pandemic somehow?
balmy condor
Imp garrote is 50%, and it would overwrite
So like let’s say you gar the last second of imp gar, and then gar right after again
robust jasper
oh wow
balmy condor
the first would be the regular 18 second empowered gar
The second would then pandemic to 23.4, with regular damage
robust jasper
I was worried it would overwrite/replace the boosted garrote
gilded oasis
it does
balmy condor
It does
robust jasper
sorry was confused when you said the first would be the regular 18 seconds of empowere garrtote
made it seem like the weaker garrote only comes in past 18 seconds
balmy condor
No
robust jasper
so you never want to reapply garrote over an empowere garrote
balmy condor
That’s just the standard application from stealth
robust jasper
even if its in pandemic range
balmy condor
Correct
balmy condor
I mean no one is gonna snitch if you refresh at 1 or whatever
But should let it tick pretty deep into pandemic
robust jasper
I mean yeah ofc but optimally im just saying, you lose tick damage by reapplying
makes sense
robust jasper
so in your subterfuge window do you want to double press garrote then? To apply it then extend it?
balmy condor
Because it implies you apply the next garrote the instant it drops
Which isn’t realistic
balmy condor
so in your subterfuge window do you want to double press garrote then? To apply ...
No
robust jasper
just not worth the gcd?
balmy condor
Correct
robust jasper
got it
balmy condor
You’re only getting 5 extra seconds
Which at +50% is basically just 1 extra empowered ticks worth of damage
And pretty much any gcd you will ever press beats that
robust jasper
oh but if you already had a weak garrote on the target, and you then vanish/dance and apply an empowered garrote youll get a full duration empowered
since the damage overwrites but the duration extends
balmy condor
Yes
gentle apex
does the seal of filial not sim correctly or something? im near bis and its always a massive downgrade from crit/haste ring
gentle apex
k
waxen oyster
does the seal of filial not sim correctly or something? im near bis and its alwa...
Sounds like your gear setup is low on crit or haste
heady storm
hey i see most rogues play outlaw in m+ how much better is it than sin rn for m+?
waxen oyster
hey i see most rogues play outlaw in m+ how much better is it than sin rn for m+...
it does more damage
boreal cloud
Its tankier
heady storm
SICK THANKS
spice spire
grave osprey
It’s wild that even in key lvl 7-8s no trash lives long enough for KB to run its full course in tyrannical weeks. I kinda wish our CDs didnt die with our prio target
spice spire
https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635
spice spire
fresh abyss
would you get rid of Crimson Tempest? @balmy condor @gilded oasis @slate crown
(from nameplate buff tracking)
slate crown
would you get rid of `Crimson Tempest`? <@167090536602140682> <@2174772095840419...
I do not show CT on my plates
spice spire
I mean
waxen oyster
It’s wild that even in key lvl 7-8s no trash lives long enough for KB to run its...
7-8s are low keys
spice spire
You can
waxen oyster
not sure why this is surprising
spice spire
Because you just need to know the time left on one
fresh abyss
I do not show CT on my plates
ty, can i possibly DM you?
spice spire
It’s extra info
waxen oyster
especially if you have 2-3 people over 520 ilvl then congrats you outgear the content by 20 ilvls
spice spire
ty, can i possibly DM you?
Don’t do it she’s mean (she’s extremely nice)
slate crown
would you get rid of `Crimson Tempest`? <@167090536602140682> <@2174772095840419...
My WA pack has a tracker for CT which I use instead. This has shortcomings, but as does it being on the nameplate. Putting it on Nameplates can be fine, I just personally prefer it not, but you can make an argument that it is better
boreal cloud
<:olorp:1225949625052172398>
spice spire
Banger
fresh abyss
My WA pack has a tracker for CT which I use instead. This has shortcomings, but ...
what is the WA pack? i'm more focused on pvp atm so wondering if i'd even need it at all for pvp
balmy condor
would you get rid of `Crimson Tempest`? <@167090536602140682> <@2174772095840419...
I track it atm but I’m getting rid of it for next xpac probably
People been complaining about clutter on my plater
waxen oyster
Do people expect other players ui packs to work outside the box
slate crown
!wa it's one of these but all of them are good.
I have no idea for pvp (and most people in this channel probably won't know about if you want it in pvp, can ask in #pvp )
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
waxen oyster
to their own personal taste
past forum
my issue is that i'm dumb and don't know how to mess with addon profiles without breaking anything, so i just accept what i cant change
waxen oyster
Pretty sure most highend pvpers have a primarily stock ui
but with a wa pack that has a million airhorns for enemy cds
past forum
some have recently started exploring how plater works for them, but i've personally found that plater + bigdebuffs can cause some issues
waxen oyster
I haven't checked if it's changed with DF but most higher end pvpers typically call pve ui "ugly spaceships"
slate crown
Thing is they're not wrong
Stock UI has improved massively for the needs of most players, and by most, I mean all basically
past forum
but yeah the "Mes weakauras" are pretty standard now, since you kinda just die if you don't instantly respond to offensives with defensives
slate crown
Unless you're a healer and need better raid frames, or playing aug
past forum
so you need weewoo honk honk warning alerts when anyone presses anything
waxen oyster
tbh i remember seeing something about
slate crown
Editmode huge
waxen oyster
the game has too much micro cc nowadays due to m+
and large offensive/defensive cds
past forum
as a pvp healer, the micro cc makes me want to /wrists
thin estuary
Its tankier
Can you explain the more damage and tankier part? Genuinely want to know the diff between outlaw and sin.
waxen oyster
Can you explain the more damage and tankier part? Genuinely want to know the dif...
You stack vers as outlaw
balmy condor
I haven't checked if it's changed with DF but most higher end pvpers typically c...
Pvpers have a lot of time to complain about addons while they sit in their 9 second stunlock while waiting for dampening
robust jasper
Do you aim to always be over 50% energy as assa? or is there ever times when you want to dump below 50%
nvm just found that part in the wowhead guide lol
runic hinge
Do you aim to always be over 50% energy as assa? or is there ever times when you...
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
runic hinge
It seems like you found the answer but I hope that helps
potent lintel
Is wow down?
balmy condor
no
thin estuary
You stack vers as outlaw
Stacking vers make them deal more damage and be tanky? Tanky I get, but more damage? How?
midnight mist
Stacking vers make them deal more damage and be tanky? Tanky I get, but more dam...
Sin legit does more damage than outlaw rn in m+ 
thin estuary
I haven’t seen any good outlaws tbh. But I have seen a lot of sin rogues know what they are doing and gapping the entire team
iron carbon
Sin legit does more damage than outlaw rn in m+ <:zerossthinking:110981788934053...
Depends the tank quality I guess
iron carbon
Stacking vers make them deal more damage and be tanky? Tanky I get, but more dam...
When versality got more values than others stats, that's what happens
thin estuary
When versality got more values than others stats, that's what happens
Not sure I follow..
grim jay
Depends the tank quality I guess
Please dont say restealths
iron carbon
Outlaw got no value with haste and mastery suck in st. Vers become the Stat that give the most dps
iron carbon
Please dont say restealths
Pull size + chaining pulls
If you play a comp that just chain 8 target packs, you'll deal more than sin or sub
And re stealth instead of chain at 5% hp
limber lion
Not sure I follow..
Stacking versatility will not make anyone do more damage than someone else
Sin does more damage than Outlaw if it's tuned higher, and Outlaw will do more damage than Sin if Outlaw is tuned higher. Nothing to do with stat stacking or anything else, just a numbers game
grim jay
Pull size is mostly the same on keys that arent weeklies aswell
limber lion
Outlaw is definitely tankier by design as versatility is a more valuable stat to them than other specs.
balmy condor
by what metric
iron carbon
Its irrelevant
Depends the situation.
marble hemlock
by what metric
does more emotional damage to the grp youre in
iron carbon
Okay, nice argumentation
grim jay
Okay, nice argumentation
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
limber lion
I trusted Zac, now I had to edit my comment gg
balmy condor
grim jay
Dang since when did sin turn into outlaw
limber lion
It's not 100 or 0
iron carbon
I mean you should care
When you can but it's not a big dps loss compared to outlaw
grim jay
I feel like I shouldn't be awake
Thats probably because you shouldnt
iron carbon
Dang since when did sin turn into outlaw
Was replying the mate above
balmy condor
hen kinda spittin though
iron carbon
Hm?
grim jay
hen kinda spittin though
Spittin them lines
balmy condor
normally we have to argue with people who say they can't do shit for damage without a restealth
refreshing
grim jay
True
grim jay
normally we have to argue with people who say they can't do shit for damage with...
If rogue stays as is we might atleast see less of that 
limber lion
Gonna have to go over all the restealth arguments again in TWW when they remove Dance
Can't wait
limber lion
Cursed timeline
grim jay
One more deathstalker buff away from dropping imp gar entirely
So spread rupture for scent/energy, CT and just spatter your way to the top?
No garrote spreading
midnight mist
<a:HUHH:1170286990005108766>
You weren't aware?
I mean granted it's a giga dead season no one is playing
midnight mist
Nah idk
balmy condor
Yeah but that’s just tankiness and no one playing assa
midnight mist
Vs one sin player
I'm not joking btw
It's wox which is an outlaw enjoyer playing a weird melee comp with a team
And zerocool
limber lion
6 people with +19 AV on Outlaw
midnight mist
Pugging random keys
limber lion
No one with a +19 on Assa
grim jay
I mean I just frankly don’t believe it
Unironically sin probably has better damage ye
midnight mist
But sin definitely does more damage than outlaw
It fits way better in meta comps aswell
Can be in place of the mage or Aug
balmy condor
Weird season
midnight mist
Outlaw can't really be played with Aug ever
balmy condor
Yeah guess that’s true
grim jay
But the survivability
midnight mist
Sin doesn't do too bad in that environment
grim jay
midnight mist
Sin definitely sucks survivability wise
Not having elus on a 30 s cd or something
But ye, if people played rogue this season
I believe it would be sin
Not outlaw
In the highest keys at least
There just isn't anyone playing so
midnight mist
You know I tried a few sin keys, and the thing I struggled the most was pressing feint
As outlaw I'm used to just pressing it last second
If I do that as sin I don't have energy
So I don't press it gg
iron carbon
Kekw
forest nacelle
You know I tried a few sin keys, and the thing I struggled the most was pressing...
but you have so much energy kekw
forest nacelle
i mean...... i don't xD
hard river
noob
shy pecan
<:HUH:1115674347865129042>
Get rekt
forest nacelle
i find i run out of energy more on AoE (when things don't die)
rotund oak
u arent less compitent though
play always by the book,discipline is the key
also
nvm wont even bother
forest nacelle
you were going to chew me out weren't you
forest nacelle
all g
rotund oak
keep it up u are doing good
forest nacelle
its fine, im used to it.
forest nacelle
He was totally going to eat you alive
i mean look at my name 
thin estuary
Quick question about restealth
Does that mean if I don’t re stealth I’ll have to apply garrote manually ? As well as rupture?
And that’s why you guys are saying outlaw is better? Because it’s not stealth dependent?
rotund oak
outlaw is more stealth dependant than sin though
u fok=>rupture
and press gar on ur target
iron carbon
Does that mean if I don’t re stealth I’ll have to apply garrote manually ? As we...
You spread during your next stealth windows with SD or vanish
rotund oak
off garrote if ur target istn dying fast
generally u spread on dance or vanish windows
iron carbon
And that’s why you guys are saying outlaw is better? Because it’s not stealth de...
Outlaw isn't better but more stealth dependent
thin estuary
u fok=>rupture
What does that mean?
iron carbon
Fan of Knives then rupture
rotund oak
What does that mean?
press fan of knives then tab rupture at 4+ cps
its 4 cps iirc
but u can do higher
if im not mistaken
thin estuary
Alright, so I am guessing since we keep SD to KB window, we spread garrote there?
iron carbon
Yep
rotund oak
thats ur primary spells that help u tap intp garrote yes
u never keep any of those for m+
send on cd
thin estuary
Fair
rotund oak
they allign perfectly naturally
thin estuary
Isn’t SD getting removed tho?
rotund oak
ye thats not the TWW channel
thin estuary
Ok, another Q, how is outlaw more stealth dependent?
waxen oyster
your entire spec is crackshot
rotund oak
lemme have my time on the sun man..
iron carbon
We do damages in stealth
thin estuary
And I know this isn’t TWW, but how big is the SD removal impact?
rotund oak
😦
rotund oak
And I know this isn’t TWW, but how big is the SD removal impact?
there is no tuning so we dont know yet
we cant know yet
grim jay
Rogue dead 
iron carbon
lemme have my time on the sun man..
Go enjoy the big yellow guy
grim jay
Dang the sun is an outlaw confirmed
rotund oak
Go enjoy the big yellow guy
i was implying xiani stealing my line..
not about the sun
thin estuary
Fair, thanks a lot!
gusty mirage
Dang the sun is an outlaw confirmed
It always was, gives you permanent damage if you stare at it too long sort of like reading outlaw
grim jay
It always was, gives you permanent damage if you stare at it too long sort of li...
Dang brother thats just like my argument about dwarf being a bleed transfer and not removal
rotund oak
<:Shrugeg:889018134885990440>
idk,u bigboys are scary and im smol
grim jay
iron carbon
Ok, another Q, how is outlaw more stealth dependent?
To be short,we got a talent that cancel CD on bte and make it do more damages. So, we want to put a maximum of bte during the Subterfuge windows
grim jay
I forgot I took today off and I woke up at 5:30am to get ready for work AMA
That hurts, but on the bright side you have a full day ahead
gusty mirage
Tru
grim jay
I sometimes get annoyed by sleeping too long on days off
grim jay
But sleeping is great, so in that moment.....
normal mist
Problem is waking up
iron carbon
i was implying xiani stealing my line..
Still go enjoy the sun, guess people around here needs it
rotund oak
Still go enjoy the sun, guess people around here needs it
100%
normal mist
I definitely do need
rotund oak
aside the everything-is-boiling heat thing,there are tourists everywhere
midnight mist
I forgot I took today off and I woke up at 5:30am to get ready for work AMA
I love when that happens, feels so good when you realize you don't have to go
rotund oak
idk man,lots of norwegian ppl this time around
gusty mirage
I love when that happens, feels so good when you realize you don't have to go <:...
I love you
midnight mist
Uwu daddy
slate crown
I forgot I took today off and I woke up at 5:30am to get ready for work AMA
Gm now you can be on the internet instead of being asleep
grim jay
Still go enjoy the sun, guess people around here needs it
Oxi sadly is too far away, he is my sun. My light in the dark. The bright pillar that supports me under the weight of life. The spark that lights the way to a greater future
gusty mirage
Is daps playing rogue again so you can put him to shame every raid? @midnight mist
midnight mist
Not sure what daps is going to be playing
Kieron is already a rogue but
He might play hunter I think he said idk
midnight mist
I don't think it's realist to chose a class or spec that early anyway
grim jay
I don't think it's realist to chose a class or spec that early anyway
Zacssination will be back, I can already tell
gusty mirage
Zac is a multi spec freakazoid pls don’t slander his name
grim jay
Zac is a multi spec freakazoid pls don’t slander his name
We came up with his alias together
Many iterations went down the drain
gusty mirage
I need coffee
blazing jewel
@midnight mist press N 
midnight mist
Many iterations went down the drain
They call me the multi spec freakazoid rogue for a reason
3 times champion
grim jay
They call me the multi spec freakazoid rogue for a reason
Ive heard they banned you from participating in world first
Because it would be an unfair advantage
rotund oak
I need coffee
freddo cappucino 2 ice cubes mid sugar
u can thank me later
ask for some cinammon on top but not much
grim jay
second off, cream and sugar in coffee?
What about tea with milk
Whats your stance on that
gusty mirage
What about tea with milk
https://tenor.com/view/brother-eww-eww-eugh-what's-that-brother-what's-that-gif-17074034887827506391
flint marsh
anybody know how much flaring cowl is doing for the proc rate of the rings?
flint marsh
ok do you have numbers for that
iron carbon
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
iron carbon
But think that you lose 528 enchant proc
spice surge
It makes the ring proc more yes
nimble zinc
But how much more? 🤔
spice surge
But the damage from cowl+full ring procs are less than bsl+partial ring procs
Idk like 0.5% or something
Embellishments arent very powerful
hard river
cowl would fully saturate the ring
nimble zinc
Except for double silken lining..
nimble zinc
An extra 2k mastery with 2 crafted pc at 525 keke
limber lion
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
nimble zinc
Bruh no other gear out-sims my double lining
limber lion
The embellishment is a nice addition on top but nothing crazy
Yeah obviously
It's free stats
It's like a normal piece of gear with extra slapped on top
But it's not crazy numbers
But still extra
That non-embellished items don't have
limber lion
Pretty much a free ring yeah
Assuming you have 100% uptime and effect on it
Which you won't
nimble zinc
You can track your uptime in details and logs tho.
limber lion
And how does that change anything
hard river
yeah, blue silken lining definitely does not average towards a 2k mastery bonus
i tend to see "embellishments are shit" thrown around when comparing different embellishments to each other
limber lion
Not great uptime on BSL to be honest
Terros and Kurog respectively
Definitely a lot better on bosses without heavy chip damage
hard river
raidbots defaults to ~40% uptime
limber lion
Based
iron carbon
Healers skill issue
flint marsh
But think that you lose 528 enchant proc
yeah its only alt though and I dont have myth track head so cowl actually upgrade at least in that one respect
limber lion
Doubt Cowl is a worth it upgrade for anyone with access to the enchant
Waste of resources
flint marsh
can you not enchant the cowl?
hard river
that sounds unusual. don't see why not
flint marsh
I assumed you could
hard river
i think the pin, wowhead, and fuu link cite the Cowl as "considerable"
limber lion
So you'd rather use a normal head with double BSL
Like it's not a terrible loss
But definitely not worth it
That's a 522 helm
flint marsh
yeah the reason I was asking about ring was to see how many more shield procs I'm getting because I'm terrible and like having them
if I were to get cowl
potentially also helps you keep up your 1 bsl if you get more too
iron carbon
I remember reading that 2 source of fire damages were okay for rings procs
3 was a bit overkill
limber lion
I mean like said it's not a terrible choice for sure if you don't have anything better
iron carbon
Tbh, do whatever you want, not the optimum choice but it's ok
limber lion
But I doubt that having Flaring Cowl will skyrocket the absorb shield uptime
spice surge
We arent maximizing the ring proc, but thats ok, we are maximizing our damage done
flint marsh
on mage I know that having one extra source did have a very significant effect on fire procs but they arent the same sources so not sure if its the same
hard river
the ring proc is 2 rppm at most
flint marsh
oki cool so not haste impacted?
hard river
correct
flint marsh
good to know
flint marsh
We arent maximizing the ring proc, but thats ok, we are maximizing our damage do...
yeh was more thinking about the component that protects my frail gnome body though
limber lion
Can probs sim it and see if you see a difference
iron carbon
Use defensives
limber lion
In the shield procs
2 quick sims, one with Flaring Cowl and one without
Unless the ring proc is fixed, but it probably isn't
flint marsh
yeah will give it a go
hard river
i believe the cowl would put the shield at ~20% uptime, without cowl the shield will be like 6% uptime
flint marsh
that is more compelling
especially as I don't have myth track head and get a slight benefit from the enchant
limber lion
honestly pretty good
flint marsh
bit annoying to have fixed stats though
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
flint marsh
well yeah ofc but if I sim same ilvl with different stats its a bit better ^^
just have to adjust somewhere else
raven night
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
iron carbon
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
nimble zinc
holy shit kingsbane mf'king slaps when adds don't insta die
Key or raid?
chrome sail
341k overall in a +5 academy
as 495 ilvl with green chest 😄
goodie or baddie or depends?
grave osprey
goodie or baddie or depends?
Hard to make comparisons. Group comp, external buffs, and size of pulls all factor in towards overall dps- but thats pretty solid in my book.
Im 507 and have had around ~410k in AA +7, coulda been more had i not died on some bosses. But im also a trash player so theres that.
spice spire
341k overall in a +5 academy
It’s a 5. Ilvl of everyone matters - Seems fine though.
If everything is getting downed quick not a good indication of dps eh
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
- You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
raven night
like all of those
tacit charm
raven night
i crave knowledge
vestal wren
there is !help, but i am not sure if its still complete
raven night
yah its why i was asking, its missing some
chrome sail
9-10 mobs pack, cant restealth, how many raptures do i manually do before mutilate into envenom
waxen oyster
outlaw gamers and meters flexing
Where
rotund oak
name says baddream not outlaw
the colour bruh(its also a guild btw)
the colour never lies
earnest remnant
im colour blind
shy pecan
im colour blind
Hi color blind, nice to meet you
shy pecan
gj
next dust
name says baddream not outlaw
I STILL DONT GET IT HAHA
ah me selecting outlaw role i gues
earnest remnant
next dust
brain is braining
clever sapphire
i just had the best fyrakk pull, 5 neltharions call procs and 4 of them were in my CDs (we wiped)
clever sapphire
i dont really care tbf
i just wanna get out
waiting for my squid procs is the only entertainment i get from this boss currently
clever sapphire
torch is better and no rng
but getting a hugging squid during my opener makes my happy points go up
getting a grieftorch reset is whatever
nimble zinc
i just had the best fyrakk pull, 5 neltharions call procs and 4 of them were in ...
you run neltharion as rogue, what?
clever sapphire
ye i like the squid
slate crown
Neltharions gives unga bunga agi
If you like the gamble that you get a proc at the right time
nimble zinc
better than ashes?
clever sapphire
nothing is better than ashes
runic hinge
better than ashes?
no, ashes is gonna be taken prob 100% of the time so you can juice your dm+kb
nelths is gonna replace torch as a second option
potent raven
forced to come back
clever sapphire
who is forcing you
potent raven
ill dm you
clever sapphire
is that someone in the room with us?
get the hugging squid, it solves all the problems
waxen oyster
Yeah meme boss
primal jolt
prepare your rogue parses because im done rerolling
time to get your 100% parse turned into 99
clever sapphire
gusty mirage
time to get your 100% parse turned into 99
jokes on you thinking any of us have 100 parses
keen spruce
only 100 parse I have is heroic zskarn from season 2 
earnest remnant
Mr 80% sophic
shy pecan
this MFer…
spice surge
Not even the Pope is that devoted holy moly
gusty mirage
only 100 parse I have is heroic zskarn from season 2 <:OMEGALUL:8885433498443612...
I got a couple last tier
my favorite was my amalgamation on mythic
talk about highrolling
keen spruce
spice surge
A trick to "get more" 100s that might work is to check through the guild page because it doesnt wait for the rankings to be locked in
gusty mirage
my heroic igira locked in at 100
was 100 for a bit
it's still top 150 too lol
totally ethical too I promise 
spice surge
Ive gone for pure singletarget boss rankings, i aint even speccing spatter on igira no more
Which is kinda padding in a different way
spice surge
Also @gusty mirage do you know what i did today
gusty mirage
spice surge
I looked at big stones in the english countryside, they were pretty neat
spice surge
Yeah
spice surge
Paperwork?
gusty mirage
it's 4:36 and I'm finally done for the day
gusty mirage
and then I had a coworker direct me to do something
shy pecan
I looked at big stones in the english countryside, they were pretty neat
Pics or didn’t happen
ocean quiver
When playing assassin for smoldering
Do we hold mark for first int
So we just open with kingsbane and then we get it back during the big dps increase
or is it better to just send it from the getgo
spice surge
Usually just send on cd
spice surge
Lines up with third amp phase with bl+execute
ocean quiver
only doing heroic rn
spice surge
Well then its gonna depend on how long the fight is gonna be, if you only get 1 phase you should dm there, if you get 2 dm on pull and there
If you get 3 send on cd
ocean quiver
Number 1 parse for assassin rogue did it during 1min in
might try that and see what happens
this pug kinda iffy on damage so
slate crown
Well
Scroll down and you'll see patterns all over the place for the alignments
I just think it's best to cd on cd on that fight and not stress about it, the timings are frustrating already, and on heroic that tends to be enough
slate crown
You can try for carefully aligning it but in my experience it's more of an excercise in frustration
If you're clearing with pugs especially and things are always all over the place
thin estuary
In boss fights where you lust on pull so you send vanish in your DM/KB window? And in bosses that you don’t lust on pull, do you still send vanish regardless?
shy pecan
Question I have for you is: What are you holding vanish for?
Because if you’re talking raid fights, Vanish should be lining up with those windows all the time
limber lion
Or rather why would lust usage matter whatsoever?
You send everything regardless, lust or no lust changes nothing
normal mist
I randomly remembered of that youtuber... "infexious"? i can't trully recall his name
Does anyone know if he's still around?
all i recall is that his takes on rogue were not really on point
thin estuary
Alright thanks!
limber lion
Does anyone know if he's still around?
Infexous, not around anymore really.
Used to be a Shadowblade in here. :)
normal mist
Now that's something I had no idea. I probably joined after he left / at the same time, since I don't really remember him here
I joined in 2020... Was that BfA?
Before even knowing RH existed, he was one of the guys I used to watch for guides lol
spice surge
It was a different time for sure
shy pecan
Used to be a Shadowblade in here. :)
Huh, didn’t know that
limber lion
Yeah, he wasn't necessarily a bad guy or anything, but his guides usually missed on a lot of key elements or just flat out had some wrong information just due to him not researching enough or trying to push content out as fast as possible
waxen oyster
I thought the prerequisite to being a shadowblade was not playing the game.
limber lion
Kinda reminds me of ThirdAgeFilms (Soup) and his OSRS quest guides back in the day
limber lion
Now that's something I had no idea. I probably joined after he left / at the sam...
Yeah it was wayyy back in Legion
Back when Dratnos was also a Community Figure
normal mist
The deathmark = 100% DMG boost guy?
limber lion
Vendetta
normal mist
Or something around those lines
shy pecan
Back when Dratnos was also a Community Figure
Wait, Dratnos was one?
limber lion
The deathmark = 100% DMG boost guy?
Dratnos is a very known content creator, very surprised you don't know him
shy pecan
I remember him playing rogue a lot (he was the one that got me interested in playing it back in BFA), but not a green
limber lion
Wait, Dratnos was one?
Yup
limber lion
It was the Sepulcher tier set and Vendetta
Because Vendetta caused bleeds to double their speed
So double the damage
normal mist
Dratnos is a very known content creator, very surprised you don't know him
I was joking, I do know him but I don't really follow his content. The only fun thing I knew was the vendetta = 100% DMG boost or something and that kinda stuck around in my empty brain
limber lion
He used to play Rogue quite a bit in Legion
But yeah, since BFA he kinda started doing a bit of everything
shy pecan
Yeah, I remember him playing a lot of rogue back in BFA. Then SL came around and everything changed
waxen oyster
People gravitate alot towards youtube guides
limber lion
Yeah, I think BoD was his last tier as Rogue
waxen oyster
even if they just regurgitate tc info inaccurately
normal mist
People gravitate alot towards youtube guides
It's because it is easier than reading
shy pecan
Well yeah, a lot of people like seeing videos rather than reading
limber lion
I even made a video guide for Rogue back in Sepulcher
But it was shit, so I never published it
limber lion
Didn't wanna release shit content
normal mist
first 2 weeks of tier access
Early access*
limber lion
Whispyr is man of the people so he will never do stuff like that
normal mist
He's a good guy
limber lion
Take me back to red Whispyr
normal mist
Actually I can't really complain about anyone in this discord, no one really stands out for the worst
limber lion
Well
normal mist
I meant as in being rude / shitty towards others
limber lion
Well everyone has their days
shy pecan
Actually I can't really complain about anyone in this discord, no one really sta...
Hmm...
There's definitely people on this server that make you go "Hmm..."
limber lion
I used to get categorized as a very forward and potentially rude guy after I gave up my nice guy facade
waxen oyster
Did push quit
waxen oyster
I know some people meme stealthi is his replacement
limber lion
Did push quit
Yeh he quit right after first tier
shy pecan
Push retired after the first raid
limber lion
Stealthi joined in Sepulcher
I was in the same guild as well but didn't pass my trial unlucky
But I enjoyed my time in Nocco much more anyways
shy pecan
Was it Sepulcher? I thought it was last year?
shy pecan
Or are you talking Colour?
limber lion
But Push quit after Vault
shy pecan
Oh, I thought you were talking about being a CF
limber lion
No, talking about the game itself
shy pecan
Got it
shy pecan
Yeah, I know Push retired this expansion. Stealthi eventually took his place in time (and Eleem and Hacha joined soon after)
limber lion
Well Stealthi and Push were also CF at the same time
waxen oyster
I definitely feel eu has more notable rogues than na
well not counting oce in the na count
limber lion
Depends what you mean by "notable rogues"
waxen oyster
I guess consistently really good
normal mist
I'm eu and I can confirm it. I'm consistently good at being mediocre
blazing jewel
My iq will rise once I go to eu 
shy pecan
blazing jewel
📈
shy pecan
r1 in retiring? Hell ya
blazing jewel
@limber lion are you still retired
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> are you still retired
Funny you say that because I bought game time like 10 minutes ago
shy pecan
blazing jewel
🗿
shy pecan
did you pass your trial to colour btw, Scana?
blazing jewel
Bro the raccoon hates me
limber lion
It's been 6 months, I might have to send a few mythic+ dungeons for the fuck of it