assassination

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[sharp trellis]

So it would be Ashes + Dreamcarver ( or another main hand ) Seal of Diurna's Chosen ( or Seal of fialial duty ) + Grieftorch ?

[spice surge]

Yes

[sharp trellis]

ok , so which ring? ( sorry )

[spice surge]

The damage one

[sharp trellis]

ok last questions, is dreamcarver the recommended mainhand for m+ ? if yes what is the buff to look for ?

[spice surge]

All the daggers do the same damage, so might aswell get the one with an extra effect

Id recommend the dragon one for speed, but its not like it matters much

[sharp trellis]

good got them all ty

[clever sapphire]

well the guild did kinda go to shit after the echo kill, so you might be onto something there

[gusty mirage]

You’re free now, they can’t hurt you anymore friend

That’s not a monkey hugging gif

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-monkey-gorilla-ape-hug-gif-14004263079835426812

[slate crown]

Yes. You saw the pooling command, but in practice it goes like Mutilate - Mutilate - (pause and only auto attack until the right time) Envenom - Mutilate - Mutilate - (Pause, auto attacks) - Envenom.

You press Envenom when you still have the Envenom buff up, but not too soon, wait till Envenom has ~1 sec left to press it.

If Envenom Buff falls (which it can when you need to rupture), then instead you get combo points, and then pause and auto attack until 80% energy (this can be a long wait). Then, Envenom again, and go back to the chaining

[gusty mirage]

There that’s better

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-push-hug-baby-monkey-evil-gif-16163313444936839614

The guild situation followed by the hug

[gusty mirage]

Why did they push him?!

He’s just a baby

[grim jay]

Think that yellow thing might be food so the big one thought it wants to eat is food

[gusty mirage]

I’m going to find that monkey and fight it

[grim jay]

I'll fight together with you, side by side

[gusty mirage]

👬

[grim jay]

So atleast we both lose an arm

[gusty mirage]

Me and you fighting for the baby monkey

[grim jay]

They aint Gorillas but I bet we would lose badly

Even if the others dont join

Which they would

[gusty mirage]

Oh we’d get fucked up

We’d probably lose an eye

If that happens you can have my good eye so you can have two

[grim jay]

We could both just keep one and play outlaw

In case we lose an arm we reroll bm

But atleast we stood up for the baby

[gusty mirage]

True

All we need is our forehead to play BM

https://tenor.com/view/indeztv-indez-faceroll-indez-faceroll-keyboard-roll-gif-21390062

Me playing BM hunter

[clever sapphire]

monkey together strong

https://tenor.com/view/baby-monkey-gif-21207902

[clever sapphire]

thats too many button presses

that cant be bm

[gusty mirage]

True

What if half of it is bound to multi shot and the other half is cobra shot/kill command

[clever sapphire]

thats something i could see a bm hunter do

so that he never misses his buttons

[gusty mirage]

I’ll ask Azor the next time I talk to him

[grim jay]

Do you need to pay to talk to him?

[gusty mirage]

Special icy veins privileges

The greatest reward for writing my guide is getting to banter with the people who are actually good at the game and collaborating with Fuu and stealthi about our guides

[grim jay]

But you got us here anyways

[gusty mirage]

Dog I have all the spec channels muted

Moderator btw

[clever sapphire]

see you are missing out on all the good players

(my name is not helping the cause)

[grim jay]

You mod what you see, you never said it would be much

[gusty mirage]

I can only handle hearing about how the removal of 3 in game yards is the worst thing to happen to humanity since world war 2 for so long

[slate crown]

And you manually decide to spend time in here with us

[gusty mirage]

Assa is the best channel hands down, the regulars are all awesome

[clever sapphire]

if you see anyone complain about that in assa channel, they must be rerollers from outlaw

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

That’s why I only come in here

[grim jay]

Outlaw channel is muted since atleast a decade

[gusty mirage]

We’re safe from the in chat ads in sub here

Okay I gotta run inside in the rain see you in like 5 minutes

[earnest remnant]

best channel is the guide writer channel

cuz its just 4 of us vibing

[gusty mirage]

Unironically true

[grim jay]

Dang

Oxi baited us with those sweet words

And stabbed as in the back as soon as stealthi came

[clever sapphire]

its fine, i will take his bait all day every day

[earnest remnant]

E-husband wins over Assa channel

sorry bud

[grim jay]

We can be your lovely adopted manchilds

[earnest remnant]

no

i only adopt dogs and raccoons

[clever sapphire]

im almost like a dog, im clean and i can sleep 23 hours a day

i can also give paw

[grim jay]

Got that covered

Im now officialy part of the pawlice

[royal lantern]

no stuart????

[blazing jewel]

What about your cat

[grim jay]

Dang its scana

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

okay I'm back

my morning hearing was adjourned

[gusty mirage]

I did not

I voluntarily come here

[royal lantern]

the 1 important channel is open 🙏

[grim jay]

Ive never been to that place

[vestal wren]

yes

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

[neon lodge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

my favorite places in RH are that thread and the sub guide writer thread

[oak shore]

how do you deal with energy management as sin? i know that garrote and rupture grant 7 energy every time they tick on a poisoned target because of "Venomous Wounds," but I have such a hard time keeping enough energy to do anything without burning through Thistle Tea

[earnest remnant]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[oak shore]

okay, cool. thanks. Whispyr did a great explanation

not sure i like the concept of pooling, lol. my main is fire mage and if you aren't casting something you're doing something wrong. gonna take a while to get used to

[clever sapphire]

thats just how it is

its not all about spamming as long as you can

[potent raven]

sub channel cool as hell imo

[severe sparrow]

i always wondered how good i am at chaining. like how many i get on average in a row usually vs others, but im too lazy to look at logs + it doesnt really matter i suppose

plus i suppose id have to find someone with the sameish stats and buffs and fuck that

[glacial stump]

Trying to get to grips with sin in AOE. Watching a few run on youtube/reading the guides. Seeing people sort of weave in Fan of knives with mutilate on a prio target. Is this just to maintain caustic splatter?

Like they do FoN>Mutilate>Envenom.

[gusty mirage]

yeah you just mutilate/ambush in aoe to keep up caustic

[glacial stump]

gotcha

Also slightly confused with kingsbane, the key runs I'm watching. the Guy is using SD, then applying his garrotes, then using kingsbane. Does Kingsbane snapshot the dots when pressed? I was under the impression everything after the cast affected kingsbane

For example he's doing SD>Garrote>Rupture>Envenom>shiv>KB

[clever sapphire]

that sounds so wrong

you wanna kingsbane inside dance

[blazing jewel]

Ya

[glacial stump]

Can i link the vid for reference?

[clever sapphire]

preferrably just macro the 2 together so kb is always your first global

[glacial stump]

https://youtu.be/XTroX3nvoJA?t=79

Think that links it at the correct time im looking at

[blazing jewel]

+10 🧐

[glacial stump]

I'm just trying to guage what rotation looks like pack to pack. Kush doesnt have a cast history 😢

[clever sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5L8mb9TWuY

i may get hate for this, but atleast he does high m+

[glacial stump]

• i cant find any higher runs rovs

[potent raven]

thats a 10 😂

[clever sapphire]

but ye thats just plainly wrong

he pressed kb outside of dance

he also pressed ashes for kb

without dm

[blazing jewel]

[potent raven]

yeah hes rly rly bad

[glacial stump]

aight i wont watch that then lmao

[clever sapphire]

i mean the part where he is flexing with 415 overall in a +10 with an aug

dafuq

[iron carbon]

https://youtu.be/onQ5stVE3VQ?si=eiMdPXINSFBKgbxp

[potent raven]

hes been maining assa since forever too btw

[glacial stump]

The only person i could find posting vods

[gusty mirage]

I mean with that sequence it feels like it still hits KB inside of dance

the idea is you snapshot the 10% nightstalker buff into KB

which means you have to press it in dance

[glacial stump]

so to answer my question, the dots dont snapshot xD

[gusty mirage]

any dots applied during dance does snapshot the nightstalker buff

[earnest remnant]

Nightstalker snaps everything

but also you dont always NEED to snapshot KB with shadow dance

[clever sapphire]

its uldaman, he shadowsteps onto the enraging mobs in the first part. Those big guys that do the stun aoe, he presses dance, then he runs out of range because mob is casting the stun, then he runs back, presses garrote garrote rupture shiv ashes kb

[earnest remnant]

you can also just use Dance for bleed spreading if you need it

[clever sapphire]

its like 3 seconds after dance ended

[earnest remnant]

it isnt as black and white

as that

the ashes outside of DM is just poor cd management

[clever sapphire]

but ye, for m+ content i always default to zerocool

[potent raven]

yeah or watch me im a beast

[earnest remnant]

[glacial stump]

Will do

[potent raven]

thank you

[glacial stump]

I'm finding Sin harder than sub in M+, am i stupid

[earnest remnant]

nah

Assa has alot of platespinning

that you need to get used to

[severe sparrow]

i dont have enough brain cells for sin in keys tbh

[clever sapphire]

so whispyrs guides for basic understanding, zerocool if you are interested in how assa should kinda look like in keys

[glacial stump]

I cant keep track of everything

[potent raven]

sins hard. u have to do a lot of stuff at once

spread your bleeds maintain them

sub is straightforward though u have to spread rupture ofc

[glacial stump]

Sub i just do burst. go next. Maintain rupture/SnD

[potent raven]

u do burst thats it

yeah

[earnest remnant]

You have to get some reps in on the spec to know the sweet spot for energy saturation on AoE

[potent raven]

sins harder in m+ for sure, sub harder in raid

[earnest remnant]

outside of that you just maintain that amount ruptures

and keep spatter/CT going

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's a LOT of plate spinning, if you're still getting used to everything you could always drop crimson tempest and take a passive node until you get a hang of juggling garrotes/ruptures and spatter

esp on lower keys where the damage from CT is kinda whatever

[earnest remnant]

The lower the keys you do the more awkward Assa is to play

[clever sapphire]

excuse me, CT is an extra bleed for my sudden demise execute proc in low keys

[gusty mirage]

you're excused

[clever sapphire]

pog

[gusty mirage]

mr. bonespike

[glacial stump]

Yeah i get that, will just take time. At the moment feels like i cant keep up with maintaining stuff. Then next think i know my KB is off CD and my dots are dropping again

[gusty mirage]

[iron carbon]

Not like you have a talent that do it for you

[clever sapphire]

i tried to play bonespike with the hybrid build in keys, it hurts so i stopped

[potent raven]

?

[earnest remnant]

Dots dropping is techincally fine as long as your arent running out of energy

[gusty mirage]

ngl SBS would literally drive me up the wall with the way it plays now

[earnest remnant]

you only need like 4-5 ruptures out

[grave osprey]

Ive found the lower the key, the easier. More re-stealth opportunities, and packs die before your DOTs expire. Opener is a bit of a ramp but not terrible.

[earnest remnant]

to maintain the energy flow

[clever sapphire]

ye it kinda did, i couldnt get my head around when i wanted to fit in my bonespikes

[earnest remnant]

lower keys wont teach you the platespinning

[glacial stump]

No replicating shadows = me sad

[earnest remnant]

thats what you got Dance for

[glacial stump]

Yeah shit dies too quick

[earnest remnant]

dance + vanish gives you free spreading

just gotta be smart about it

[clever sapphire]

also you will have to get used to not sending cooldowns on first pack

everyone destroys that

so just save for second one

[iron carbon]

Just need to press 3 garrote and rupture each time you get inv

[earnest remnant]

nah do fast ramp and steal the pad

[glacial stump]

I just need to rinse and repeat until stuff clicks

[earnest remnant]

then point and laugh at them

[gusty mirage]

you got this

[iron carbon]

I mean, not the hardest thing to dot everything

Since the main rotation is really straight forward

[clever sapphire]

i will ignore because yellow name

[earnest remnant]

just gotta get a good nameplate setup

so its easy to track your bleeds

[potent raven]

stole the words from my mouth

[glacial stump]

also, what makes my garrotes not have a cd? some talent im blind to see. Out of stealth it has a CD right?

[gusty mirage]

improved garrote

[earnest remnant]

Shrouded

[iron carbon]

Yep, 6

[earnest remnant]

or imp garrote

on or the other

one*

[glacial stump]

Gotcha

[iron carbon]

So playing outlaw means I do not play other specs?

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

according to some people in outlaw, yes

if you aint a otp, you get no say

sorry

[gusty mirage]

yeah you're not allowed to have fun and play what you want

[earnest remnant]

HOW DARE YOU

xD

[gusty mirage]

imagine trying to enjoy the video game you pay money to play

smh

[glacial stump]

Thanks for the help

[potent raven]

my card got charged yesterday for another 1 month of sub

forgot to cancel it

guess i gotta play now since i payed

[iron carbon]

Rude

[earnest remnant]

hey i didn't make those rules

[gusty mirage]

if you ever respec to something not congruent with your role in discord, stealthi shows up to your house and steals your food trash panda style

it's just the rule of the universe

[iron carbon]

I just main outlaw but love playing all specs

[ruby birch]

I mean

[potent raven]

what key levels do u do btw?

just wondering

[ruby birch]

I think it’s just against outlaw ngl

[gusty mirage]

as it should be

[earnest remnant]

fellow rogue enjoyer

[iron carbon]

14-15

[ruby birch]

I enjoy rogue (sub and assa)

[earnest remnant]

yep

[potent raven]

i enjoy the real rogue specs

[gusty mirage]

there's a small congregation in outlaw that shames you for having an opinion on outlaw if you don't OTP outlaw

much like the congregation here does the same thing if you play outlaw

[ruby birch]

Outlaw is a piss easy spec

[clever sapphire]

i wouldnt go that far

[potent raven]

not playin the rsi simulator 1 button spam spec

[ruby birch]

It’s just fury warrior but easier

[gusty mirage]

dog I can't play outlaw for more than 3 keys

my poor wrists

I'M OLD

[severe sparrow]

outlaw is so easy in keys though 😭

just push shiny button when shiny happens

[ruby birch]

You just press bte

[gusty mirage]

for people who play outlaw and can do keys for like 4-5 hours, enjoy your youth you motherfucks

[earnest remnant]

im not young

but i can do that

[ruby birch]

Only hard part of outlaw is keeping your mental after hitting kir ar and dying

[gusty mirage]

that's because your everything else hurts

[earnest remnant]

my mental health just declines

fair

[ruby birch]

Dance vanish windows 0 procs

[iron carbon]

So real

[ruby birch]

Fun spec

[gilded oasis]

get some advil old man

[earnest remnant]

ive played wow for too long

[gusty mirage]

did you get the liquidgels for the retirement home medicine cabinet?

[earnest remnant]

classes in this game arent hard to play

[ruby birch]

I love losing AR because I don’t even proc opportunity in 15 sec

[gilded oasis]

[gusty mirage]

based

[gusty mirage]

brother I remember needing hit rating to not miss my ability casts

don't talk to me about playing wow for too long

GET OFF MY LAWN

[earnest remnant]

i started playing in cata

my bad

boomer

[gusty mirage]

wrath was a fun time if you wanted to play not-combat

you needed enough hit rating to not miss poisons too

[gilded oasis]

didnt we still have hit in cata

[gusty mirage]

idk I quit week 1

faction swapped to a goblin rogue, giggled at the sneaky stealth animation

[earnest remnant]

i played pvp

[gusty mirage]

leveled to 85

and quit

[earnest remnant]

so i just followed what other people did

[gusty mirage]

I miss the old days of bad internet

whenever I didn't wanna raid, I'd autorun into a wall and unplug my ethernet cable and go out with myf riends

[gilded oasis]

yeah it was removed just before WOD I think

[gusty mirage]

[severe sparrow]

me trying to install wow on my family computer off 4 disks and it takes all night

[gusty mirage]

oh god

what a throwback

[gilded oasis]

you can still do that. just say power outage or internet outage woops

[gusty mirage]

I still have all 4 discs somewhere

[gusty mirage]

I just don't log in now

I'm no longer shy to just laugh at someone when they ask me to play wow

[gilded oasis]

just log into remix

[gusty mirage]

I'm good ty

[severe sparrow]

my husband found his og boxes when we were getting our shit together to move a few weeks ago lol

told me he had to keep them "in case someone steals my account i have the keys from the box"

like we dont own cameras in our phones

[iron carbon]

Didn't notice this rofl

More button in our rotation than sin and sub together

[potent raven]

lot of depths to it

[severe sparrow]

what is sub keys like these days anyway? is it still just shuriken storm + black powder for days?

[iron carbon]

You can add Secret Tech

[royal lantern]

hey hey

i dont hate outlaw, it was even my most played spec in SL

i just dont like DF outlaw gameplay + its playerbase cus 80% of the dumb stuff on this server comes from that channel

[severe sparrow]

oh yeah i forgot sectech

i was so shit at timing that well

[iron carbon]

I agree, the current playstyle isn't the funniest. If I want to play burst windows, I play sub

[royal lantern]

burst windows, but without the burst

[iron carbon]

Exactly

Pressing 10 button to make one deal damages

During 6 seconds

[gusty mirage]

how bold of you to think that's just DF

[shy pecan]

[runic hinge]

I used to do this too. Maybe a scrambled message on vent rq

[royal lantern]

thats 1/4 of outlaws existance, wdym

Legion outlaw was a thing that nobody touched, BfA they where the annoying M+ FotM kids

[iron carbon]

FotM? Don't have the ref

[shy pecan]

Flavor of the Month

[iron carbon]

Still not what does he meant?

[soft shale]

outlaw in legion was just stepped on repeteadly

it was actually quite shameless

[royal lantern]

"omg its strong i need to reroll!!!11111!!!!!"

thats FotM

[soft shale]

everytime it was going to be good it got nerfed

[royal lantern]

ye, legion outlaw was legit meme-worthy

was good for 2 weeks->nerfed

and then they repeated that for the entire expansion lol

[clever sapphire]

that seems oddly similiar to a specific spec in DF the last 3 seasons

[proven jasper]

[iron carbon]

Ooooooooh

[clever sapphire]

like shadow priest this season

[still laurel]

@blazing jewel

[blazing jewel]

I will fail your trial

[still laurel]

[spice spire]

We have to deal with another consequence rogue?

Damn

[soft shale]

they are evolving

[manic perch]

I have a question regarding Atrophic Poison. It says it reduces the enemy damage by 3.6%...

Does this include dungeon bosses? If so, does it apply to ALL of the damage they deal, including group AoE effects (so effectively would be a 3.6% DR for the whole group?) such as Toxic Effuvia from the frog boss in Halls of Infusion, etc.?

[dark token]

It doesn't count environment dmg

But aoes count if they originate from the boss yes

[blazing jewel]

[manic perch]

gotcha, so in other words it wouldn't protect you from a swirly, but if it was an AoE cast from the boss it would count? That seems very strong

[spice surge]

Theres no real way of knowing if its environmental damage or not, a lot of swirlies comes from the boss

(outside of checking it in logs ofc)

You just gotta check it on a spell by spell basis

[blazing jewel]

@spice spire fish react this man

[still laurel]

[potent raven]

uwu

is that u on ur pfp @blazing jewel

so sexy

[rotund oak]

get in line buddy,half the server wants a date

i vouch for @gusty mirage and @balmy condor

s@x@@st living organisms

[blazing jewel]

That’s the other yapgod

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/mum-mumprobs-gif-26640474

[blazing jewel]

Bro got called an organism login

[gusty mirage]

bro you think just cause you play bob the builder on air force vehicles you can just come in here and start shit?

[blazing jewel]

This is OT2

[gusty mirage]

yo real talk

I'm scammazing my way out of work early

pog or pog?

[gilded oasis]

poggy

[blazing jewel]

Did you show up to the zoom call with no pants on again

[gusty mirage]

no I'm at the office silly

the pants were on my head

[blazing jewel]

Nice

[runic hinge]

pog

[gusty mirage]

but I said I have a client meeting for a potential sign up

at 3:30

so I have to leave in 20 minutes to get there on time

[rotund oak]

does ''again'' imply u know he didnt have his pants on somewhere in the past in a zoom call

or u are asking coz he like his pants

[gusty mirage]

there has been many zoom calls taken in my boxers

@earnest remnant can confirm

dress shirt, tie, and suit jacket

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

free balling down below

oh @blazing jewel check DMs

[blazing jewel]

[rotund oak]

[soft shale]

i just have the privilege of just going no cam

man it must suck to always have to facecam people

[severe sparrow]

i'll do it from my bed in my shitty decade old lootcrate shirt i wear as pjs, 0 fucks. god bless academia.

[stable jay]

If I have Dream carver, Embersoul, and Greiftorch what should I spend my current bronze bullions on? Silent star or Seal of Diurna's?

[rotund oak]

diurmas

the back is cringe for m+

[dark token]

Sim it

The cloak was a much higher dps gain for me than the ring

[nimble zinc]

Cloak goes to higher item level

Diurna not worth it for assa imo. Better on classes that do more fire dmg

[dark token]

it is still worth

thats not the only reason why sark cloak is better

[strange python]

What other ring would sim higher?

[nimble zinc]

Depends on what your other ring is?

[strange python]

Not really I doubt you’ll find a combination in rings that sims higher

[nimble zinc]

Okay sure

[rotund oak]

diurma's sims higher than any other ring btw

back is ofc worth its just cringe for m+ coz u get destealthed

it bugs out

if u are into raid ofc sure,back is a choice

[glacial stump]

Any chance someone could take a glance at a log and tell me what I'm doing wrong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ATcBR3amfFjQXgyp#fight=last&type=casts&source=20&view=timeline

[hexed frost]

I hate when the tanks keep chaining trash in BH and not let me get IC windows.

Ruins bleedmaxxing

[pliant dust]

Any suggestions for a good Plater profile?

[potent raven]

jundie plater think thats the name

or quazii

jundies is good cuz they a rogue player so

it tracks pandemic on plater etc

[thin estuary]

What’s IC? Also what’s the optimal tank pulls? To make sure you ain’t getting screwed?

[charred obsidian]

Man i dont get how people get so high damage with Sudden demise

when i play its sub 1% overall damage in m+

its not even top 14

its below mutilate for me lmfao

im spreading garrote + rupture + crimson on all enemies so idk whats up

[dark token]

What key lvl

[charred obsidian]

its a 6

not sure high ig

[charred obsidian]

^^

[clever sapphire]

no pi, no windfury, no monk in the group so already a big loss. You probably lost a tick of shiv on your 3rd and 4th kingsbane because you cast 1-2 abilities between your shiv and your kb

other than that, probably just more gear

[charred obsidian]

also is higher keylevels just bad with sudden?

i could imagine it being the case since the dots run out

i both love and hate indiscriminate carnage

its a fun idea but its so annoying when things dont die or when the tank chainpull

i want it back as a button press with a cooldown same as garrote lenght

other classes has it so why cant assa

[shy pecan]

SD’s execute might not be high, but remember you’re getting more bleed damage with it as well. As for IC, just use your dances and vanishes to get it if the tank chain pulls.

[glacial stump]

Okay cool. Yeah seen the mate shiv. Just thought seeing a 60 parse I was doing bad

[charred obsidian]

sure but those run out after just a short time. especially if the tank is indecisive

pulling a few mobs for 10 sec then suddenly moves on etc

and then rince repeat

you dont think its an issue or are you just giving advice?

[shy pecan]

That’s fine though. Just keep doing what you’re doing, let spatter and CT do work, and move on to the next pack.

[stable jay]

I dont have the helm enchant to proc it, is grieftorch good enough to proc it?

[charred obsidian]

were lucky to have spatter now true

[shy pecan]

You don’t need to get everything dotted with garrotes and ruptures

[stable jay]

cringe as in good or bad for m+? 😅

[charred obsidian]

i mean. not really but it would sure be nice

it would make it feel better in pulls for sure

it would make the spec feel better to play aswell

i kinda feel out of juice many times during a run

at least its better than aff right now though

cant have everything ig

unless youre fire mage and shadow priest

[clever sapphire]

nah its just gear and a lot of buffs missing

also its a heroic kill so you are kinda competing with much quicker kill times

[clever sapphire]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[charred obsidian]

but restealth is the bread and butter of assa in m+ though

[exotic pasture]

Sure how tank pulls can greatly impact your dps, regardless of spec, and a part of ours is restealth value

But you’re likely just thinking the worst case scenario when you picture how good or bad getting restealths is

[spice surge]

Its not, thats what its saying

[charred obsidian]

Also not having Shadowdance for the Deathmark + KB combo on the bosses later on feels bad

[iron carbon]

Better use the pack before and a bit after the boss pull than not use the combo in the pack and instant on pull

[charred obsidian]

i feel like that bot message is old and outdated. there is no way its not super important to restealth. Especially when it says for many years when the rework changed how things work

[shy pecan]

It’s not outdated

[iron carbon]

It's stupid to think you HAVE to multi dot at pull

[blazing jewel]

It’s the weekly restealth debate login

[spice surge]

Its not outdated, thats why its a command, because its not what people expect

[junior aurora]

hourly

[blazing jewel]

Real

[junior aurora]

dps is a feeling and i vibe when i restealth (its time i dont have to press buttons (the sin dream))

[charred obsidian]

easy for you to say as an outlaw who dont even have to restealth to be effective

[iron carbon]

Kekw

[spice surge]

Outlaws restealths are more important than assa

Literally

[shy pecan]

Actually, it’s worse for them than for sin

[charred obsidian]

its not

[spice surge]

It literally is

[shy pecan]

It is.

[iron carbon]

I can't

[blazing jewel]

[charred obsidian]

it literally is. what are you even talking about

do you even play your spec

[spice surge]

Stealth is more important for outlaw

[iron carbon]

Did you play outlaw once since s3?

[spice surge]

Than it is for assa

[blazing jewel]

This is getting good

[junior aurora]

a little bit more uptime on garrote damage vs higher CD uptime

id take higher CD uptime any day

[iron carbon]

I mean, in keys higher than 5?

[charred obsidian]

nah i cant take this, you have no idea how to play rogue.

actual brainrot

[junior aurora]

i think you need to invest in a mirror

[haughty flicker]

oh i almost missed the fun

[blazing jewel]

There are like 4-5 HOF players telling you it’s not important lol

[iron carbon]

It's litteraly the goal of the outlaw spec now

Getting advantage of the stealth setup

[shy pecan]

You want as many crackshot windows in outlaw as possible

[grave osprey]

how much mastery should we be shooting for?

[shy pecan]

Getting into stealth helps with that

[junior aurora]

whatever the robot tells you @grave osprey

[shy pecan]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[grave osprey]

ecellent

[spice surge]

Assa doesnt need to put bleeds on every target, it needs its energy sustained and if specced 5 stacks of scent of blood

[blazing jewel]

This was good content thank you for the entertainment

[iron carbon]

Bro, he made my day

[blazing jewel]

[junior aurora]

yall are still yapping like that dude didnt close discord the moment he sent his last message

he aint readin all this

hes trying to get out of combat to restealth rn and we're trying to keep him in

[blazing jewel]

[iron carbon]

It's okay when people do not know and ask

But this, affirming bullshit, I can't

And trashing you all, mains assa

People are weird

[blazing jewel]

@spice surge is a warlock main don’t let him fool you

[junior aurora]

dawg they revealed trickster and i went back to mage

vindicated every day

[haughty flicker]

mage fun

[spice surge]

This is not true and you know it, you are purpusefully spreading missinformation on the internet

[shy pecan]

I’m a tank in keys actually. I love pulling mobs when they’re at 5% health

[junior aurora]

fun

[shy pecan]

You should know

[iron carbon]

You the devil

[shy pecan]

[junior aurora]

idk restealths dont matter

just do dam

dont think

just do

[shy pecan]

TRUTH

[iron carbon]

Gimme your tank so I can ignore

[ruby birch]

I missed this NOOOOOOO

MY ENTERTAINMENT SLIPPING BETWEEN MY FINGERS

[blazing jewel]

[iron carbon]

5 m late

[junior aurora]

funny to think though that the spec based around stealth cares the least about it lol

[ruby birch]

Yeah stealth is useless on sub lol

Most important on outlaw

Just because of their uhuhuhuhuhuh talent

[junior aurora]

at some point someone was hitting the juice too much

[iron carbon]

Free SnD 🙄 So strong

[junior aurora]

muddled the mixtures

now we got stealthy pirates and blatant ninjas

[ruby birch]

Very

[blazing jewel]

We both roll warrior next tier

[junior aurora]

hey man just means you can maybe sometimes cast it 1 less time in a fight

[blazing jewel]

See which guild loses more WR

[ruby birch]

I’m our only rogue lol

Mav rerolled

[junior aurora]

just tell them that rallying cry > atrophic poison

[ruby birch]

Back to token rogue

[blazing jewel]

🫡

[ruby birch]

[clever sapphire]

awh man i didnt get to take part in the restealth debate

[ruby birch]

Seemed like a fundamental misunderstanding of how important stealth is for law

[clever sapphire]

take law out

restealth in general

[iron carbon]

Maybe cause I don't even play my spec

[ruby birch]

Sin likes it but it’s not a big deal

[junior aurora]

its all vibes for sin

its not a big deal if you cant get them it just feels good when you do

so you overinflate their worth

[clever sapphire]

my feelings over actual logic

[ruby birch]

Yeah I mean it’s def good

[clever sapphire]

noted

[ruby birch]

But outlaw NEEDS it

[junior aurora]

outlaw NEEDS to be changed back to BFA

[ruby birch]

They actually just eat shit without restealths

[junior aurora]

idc how they do it

[clever sapphire]

shadowlands outlaw was fine

[junior aurora]

let me play deadshot law again

[clever sapphire]

its just current outlaw thats meh

[ruby birch]

Which shadowlands outlaw

Kyrian dust

Or bussy

[clever sapphire]

imagine having burst windows but not doing burst dmg

[iron carbon]

First reasonable sentence I read here

[ruby birch]

Because ngl this outlaw plays very similarly to bussy law

[clever sapphire]

tbf i played bonespike outlaw in keys

and venthyr in raid

sooooo ya

[haughty flicker]

kyrian dust

[clever sapphire]

[haughty flicker]

the once and future king

i await its return

[ruby birch]

It not returning

Dust is on sub for some reason

[haughty flicker]

i await

its return

the faithful shall be rewarded

[ruby birch]

I guess that’s what I get for making that prepull in shadowlands huh…

[haughty flicker]

i wasnt good enough in shadowlands to bother with prepull stuff

barely getting aotc

unlucky times

[ruby birch]

After they nerfed deathly

I made a very degenerate prepull

That got dust nerfed

[haughty flicker]

huge

[ruby birch]

But we still have it for some reason

[grave osprey]

Is crimson tempest not worth using in ST M+ ?

[ruby birch]

[ruby birch]

Nope

[grave osprey]

kk ty

[ruby birch]

Envenom is just more damage

[iron carbon]

And I think that the energy generation is not worth the loss of damage

[shy pecan]

CT only on 4+ targets

[grave osprey]

sick, thanks all.

[shy pecan]

Energy regeneration?

[iron carbon]

CT do not up the energy generation from dots?

Like garrote and rupture?

I got this in my mind

But can't tell if it's true

[nimble zinc]

yeah i like it abetter when i'm in comms with my tank and say "gimme a sec"

[nimble zinc]

you're probably not reapplying bleeds when mobs are sub 30% health my guess.

[junior aurora]

thats not something you really shoot for

the execute on SD is just bonus

[nimble zinc]

sure ok

[shy pecan]

Nope. Just rupture and garrote (unless something changes with CT being talented as of late):

[clever sapphire]

wait the guy complaining about restealth just left the server

or am i dumb

[blazing jewel]

Login

[spice surge]

Join server to ask questions about their spec
Gets told the answer
Nah yall are wrong
Leaves

[shy pecan]

[blazing jewel]

asks community figure if they even play rogue

[clever sapphire]

good thing he didnt ask oxi

[shy pecan]

It’s kinda like stat weights and how people are so caught up on them. Same with restealths

[blazing jewel]

Wasn’t the !stats command a meme post for a while

[shy pecan]

No clue

Haven’t been in here for that long, unless it was done in the last two seasons, to which I must have missed it

[iron carbon]

Okay, thanks for 5he confirmation I was wrong. Dunno why, I was sure it was "each time you deal bleed damage"

[iron carbon]

Server would have been on fire I guess

[runic hinge]

wtf I missed the drama

[iron carbon]

Grab some snacks

@runic hinge

[clever sapphire]

ye i also missed it sadly

[shy pecan]

The guy left so…

[runic hinge]

Yeah it was a good read

I’m gonna be on the lookout for his Reddit post about how mean and stupid we are in here

[iron carbon]

Give some news

Can't wait to see it

[junior aurora]

they didnt leave the server

just went offline

[clever sapphire]

are you sure, it doesnt show any mutual servers when i click on them

[iron carbon]

Why is hiss name white and not red anymore?

[runic hinge]

Check again

[shy pecan]

Might have returned

[potent raven]

heard u gotta restealth

[runic hinge]

Oh shit. They hit us with the restealth

[junior aurora]

idk i can still ping him

[iron carbon]

Your discord is cursed, I can't

[junior aurora]

i'd ping to show but im not going to just random ping someone

[iron carbon]

Or maybe he just ignoring us all for trying to do his education

[iron carbon]

Funny

[haughty flicker]

discord being discord

[junior aurora]

ill ignore you see if u can ping me

[haughty flicker]

i dont want to be ignored

[junior aurora]

i ignored sweethen

[shy pecan]

Pretty sure you can’t ping anyone that ignores you

[iron carbon]

@junior aurora 😘

[junior aurora]

yea it worked

[shy pecan]

Oh

[junior aurora]

i didnt get the ping obviously but you could still find me

[iron carbon]

Maybe he ignored + report

[shy pecan]

[haughty flicker]

everyone report ryolith to test

[iron carbon]

BTW, I could see you offline

[runic hinge]

Ryo I bet if you restart your app they’ll be gone

[junior aurora]

cant im watching my friend play trails thru discord stream

living vicariously thru him as i was 10 years ago

they dont show up on my phone though

[haughty flicker]

what is trails

[junior aurora]

trails in the sky

[clever sapphire]

i can actually also ping him, weird

but his profile doesnt load anything

discord moment

[iron carbon]

Yup, funny night. I learned I could not read a tooltip, a guy trolled all rogue community and we discovered one more Discord bug

Should spend more time here and less depleting keys

[clever sapphire]

yep lets stick with that

he was jsut trolling

[haughty flicker]

i wouldnt be surprised tbh

[runic hinge]

Yeah same

[iron carbon]

High quality troll

[shy pecan]

Alright. Let’s just let the guy be. If he doesn’t want to take the info we gave him, so be it. Their gameplay and performance in the end

[junior aurora]

its almost time for the next hourly restealth debate anyway

[shy pecan]

lol

[clever sapphire]

if anyone doesnt agree with restealths, i just tell them to play cleave

because that plays off of kb spatter dmg

and not bleeds

so they cant give me counter arguments

[iron carbon]

"Still need energy"

[runic hinge]

The guy was posting his breakdown for a 6 like, they aren’t even doing hard content either.

[iron carbon]

"AnD i CaN't WaIt To UsE ShAdOwDaNcE tO sPrEaD gArRoTe"

[iron carbon]

Forgot that part

[clever sapphire]

i dont mind that part, tbh

[iron carbon]

Hmmmmm?

Wdym?

[runic hinge]

Often times I’m sending kb with dance still but then just spamming garrote while it’s up

[clever sapphire]

yap same

[iron carbon]

That's what I mean, yes

[clever sapphire]

sure i press shiv/envenom inbetween

but my main focus is to spread garrote/rupture

and just kb because no reason not to

i wont kb without dance anyways

[iron carbon]

Dance + KB then garrote / rupture keeping envenom and mutilate up

[clever sapphire]

show that to a bm hunter and they will lose you after the kb part

its not hard once you get it down but god damn it sounds overwhelming when you are new to the spec

[iron carbon]

I'm not a big sin player but it's not that hard

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I just wanna keep kb and dance synced but I don’t particularly care too much about min maxing kb cause probably whatever target is dead fast anyways

Vanish in keys is always for bleed spread

[clever sapphire]

you said you are doing 13-14s, that means you kinda have the basic knowledge about how the spec works and what does what

a new player thats doing 8s is gonna be lost

thinking how to do dmg

[iron carbon]

Yeah maybe, idk

But I meant I'm pretty more confident on outlaw than sin.

But it do not take 2 hours of theory crafting to Understand the logic behind the rotation

[royal lantern]

the daily "X spec hard Y spec easy" stuff going on?

[runic hinge]

No

Restealth debate

[clever sapphire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[runic hinge]

But the one guy left after saying we’re stupid

[clever sapphire]

@potent raven

[potent raven]

ye ik

its just a lil odd

it'd say to have diff stats on 2 crafts

[clever sapphire]

i dont think its really a debate, i just wanted to say that assa in m+ wont be that easy for someone who is new to the spec

because you have so many things happening

a bm hunter presses 2 buttons

assa you have 3 bleeds, spatter, your cooldowns

sure you have IC

[iron carbon]

I agree on that point

[clever sapphire]

but someone without much of an idea is gonna still get lost

[iron carbon]

You can't come on the character and understanding rotation in one m+ run

Thing that you can do on ret/havoc and BM

[clever sapphire]

im not even sure how i got to this topic, i should just go to sleep

[clever sapphire]

yap this is pretty much it

[runic hinge]

Ret is so fun

[clever sapphire]

rogue is more than "spam buttons" in keys

[iron carbon]

But it the case for all rogues specs imo

[clever sapphire]

yap

each spec just has a different part thats gonna be hard to grasp

[iron carbon]

That's why rogue players are mentally ill

[clever sapphire]

its all about the restealth

what can i say

[iron carbon]

Okay, you got me, I go sleep

[clever sapphire]

[iron carbon]

Guys, don't forget that outlaws do not need restealth

Gn all

[clever sapphire]

true

just dont tell outlaw players

you will get hate

[balmy condor]

wtf did I miss

[shy pecan]

Fun discussions 🙂

[haughty flicker]

the usual

dw about it

[runic hinge]

They said eleem didn’t know how to play rogue

[spice spire]

Eleem only know hot chip, lie, and the original 151

[spice surge]

I definitely dont know wtf hot chip is

[potent raven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

Old meme I thought you’d get it since you’re a boomer :/

[spice surge]

Sorry friendo i didnt get it, i do know the og 151 though

[spice spire]

Damn

#28 specifically eh

[shy pecan]

wtf

[spice spire]

Dog ur not even a boomer

Ur like

[shy pecan]

Don’t finish that

[spice spire]

Graveyardkin? Instead of dragon kin?

[shy pecan]

I’ll slap you

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

I see

[shy pecan]

Probably a good thing you weren’t here

[clever sapphire]

im gonna guess he was

and just didnt wanna interract

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cheetos-flaming-hot-chips-gif-16467929

[shy pecan]

Gross

[spice spire]

Summary ft. Eleem and yapgodx

[shy pecan]

Cheetos

[spice spire]

And someone I should have blocked

[runic hinge]

You could never

[shy pecan]

You’ll never block me

You love me too much to do it

[spice spire]

My block list is but a single person

[runic hinge]

Mine was. I unblocked cause I always read their messages anyways

[spice surge]

Am afraid this doesnt help me, was just not around, or i didnt understand english well enough when it was making the rounds

Too busy watching horribly poor quality comedy dubs of lord of the rings in swedish

[keen spruce]

wait I missed it

[spice spire]

Hot chip is just any form of spicy chips.
Hot Cheetos, takis, etc.

[shy pecan]

Bleh

[spice spire]

Unsure if that’s a thing in (Sweden?)

[blazing jewel]

Shouldn’t you be flying planes rn

[keen spruce]

i'm sick

[haughty flicker]

he is

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

Generally no, but they do exist, but i still dont get the meme, and thats okay

Spice tolerance of the average swede isnt very high

[spice spire]

Ye I’ve heard

[shy pecan]

Eleem is from Sverige if iirc

[spice spire]

Pretty universal for a lot Europe

Yeah for some reason I thought he said he was in Britain at one point for his s/o or work or something

So I didn’t want to assume

[runic hinge]

I think it was a tweet about how all teenagers do is eat hot chip and lie. Idk maybe I don’t know either

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

I typically enjoy the chili flavour, but am not a fan of things being too spicy just for the purpose of being spicy

[spice surge]

Like im not gonna put some redneck assblaster 3000 hot sauce on my food

[shy pecan]

Agreed

[runic hinge]

That’s the reference

But yeah hot chip is like the flaming hot stuff and hot taki and whatnot

[spice surge]

Gochugaru flakes is my goto for most things, not too spicy but still got good flavours

[spice spire]

It’s good flavor

I just like spicy tastes

[shy pecan]

Is that Korean?

[spice spire]

Assblaster 3000 doesn’t sound like a good time tho I’m ngl

[spice surge]

Ye, mexican chilies are good too but i gotta find chipotle that isnt ultra mega smoked, just a little bit because i had some a few weeks ago

I know chipotles are supposed to be smoky, but most ive tried have like overpoweringly too much smoke flavour, which i am not a fan of

[blazing jewel]

Can this be a pin

[spice surge]

Ill talk to the higher-ups and see what we can do

[potent raven]

lowkey

[balmy condor]

sorry, we only take suggestions from rogue players

[shy pecan]

Gottem

[light mirage]

How do i get the most out of kingsbane? Sometimes i use it and pop off, sometimes it feels like i do nothing lol

[shy pecan]

Hope crits happen. If you're talking keys, hope the target doesn't die before the last tick goes off

Use tea with less than six seconds so you can get the mastery bonus with the last tick

[steady owl]

what weapon rune does raidbots use for dungeon slice when set to simc default?

[royal python]

Buzzing i think, me rookie, can be wrong

[dark token]

buzzing/main stat food

[silk bane]

depends on who you ask.

some are really into that

i was gonna make a yo mom joke but me scared green name do bully

and my lawyers busy shit posting in ret discord 💀

[junior aurora]

coward

[spice spire]

Ur ass is grass and my tongue is a weed whacker

[junior aurora]

i dont gotta ask what that mouf do but i can ask what can it do for me

[gray crest]

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-gif-26074332

[spice spire]

I’ll never beat them

[earnest remnant]

[spice spire]

There needs to be a meme where the girl says “hello HR” for this

Ur the top panel, I’m the bottom panel

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/not-win-touma-accelerator-bro-is-not-beating-the-allegations-gif-8361031656540433744

[glass fulcrum]

question rlp welp trinket is any good is aoe or st??

[balmy condor]

no

[glass fulcrum]

thanks thou

[flint marsh]

is cloak just not working on last boss of azure vaults a thing btw vs the crystal damage

is it because its environment dmg or something?

[balmy condor]

most people skip sark cloak in m+ in general, cause of the lack of stamina, but also cause it breaks stealth when it procs

but idk

[flint marsh]

sorry I meant cloak of shadows

[balmy condor]

oh

[drowsy creek]

Its reasonable possible to play assassin without addons?

[balmy condor]

isn't the crystal dam phys or something I forgor

[flint marsh]

it says its arcane in the spell book as far as I can tell

[balmy condor]

depends how good you are I guess

tracking dots and buffs is pretty brutal on base ui

and like

that's asssa

[flint marsh]

this thing ticked me 5x through cloak and killed me

[balmy condor]

hm

yeh dunno then

[flint marsh]

fk

[nimble zinc]

what lvl key was it? that part is a BIG healer check.

[flint marsh]

only an 8 for weekly =/

[nimble zinc]

hmm, and its not even tyrannical. sounds like your healer just couldnt keep up

[flint marsh]

but its not rly that i'm worried about, I used cloak and it literally didnt immune any dmg from the ticks and that doesn't seem right to me

yeh healer was struggling but again i'm just trying to figure out why cloak didnt work

[nimble zinc]

yeah that sounds like a bug

[flint marsh]

[nimble zinc]

yeah i mean i pop a lot of defensives during stuff like that, I guess cause i'm used to tanking. like I'm always pressing Feint off CD, crimson vial, health pot / warlock cookie, etc.

[flint marsh]

yeah I should have used something else but honestly I just pressed it and was like oh I'm fine now I can focus on kb

[nimble zinc]

its 100% sus that cloak didnt work tho

yeah, I feel like some little baby rogue cries everytime someone dies before getting full KB rotation off.

[flint marsh]

some little guy in the gnome starter zone dies to a wolf

[rotund oak]

Cringe as in bad.It feels bad when in the course of a key u randomly get destealthed from it.U cant spread ur dots with IC because u lose the comfort and potential dmg from the back destealthing u

[rotund oak]

bro cooks new outlaw tech

[ebon steppe]

I timed +15 uld this week 710k overall dps
Like, if ur a NE and ur tank isn't chaining, you could sync SD with KB
But not always, especially with ironwire build
For example, the owls in NO is just something you wish them be ironwired
If they were at 25% hp, and omnicd shows no kick in ur team
You don't want to use kb at this time and you definitely want to garrote them
In this case, sd only
If ur using that /cast sd /cast kb macro, you could just turn into ur back so when you pressed that button you will only cast sd not kb
Save kb for next pull

[glacial stump]

And just use a naked kingsbane ?

[ebon steppe]

Yes but that's not the thing we will always do

So if ur running high level keys at some point you will naturally use that technique
But if ur just learning how to play, just sync kb and sd is alright

Enjoy the game first, learn these specific techniques later

[glacial stump]

Will do, much appreciated

Did a few keys last night, sorta getting it. But was only doing 10’s and using my burst on packs was wasted. I’d KB a target and before I even get going stuff’s dead

Also not sure if I should be saving my vanish for burst. Tank kept chain pulling and felt like I should vanish to get the spread of my dots out

[true condor]

brothers i might have some question, am trying to write a post for our CN brothers as a guide to use Raidbot, i want to ask does all rogue using Dslice or only for law, and sin and sub have better choice to sim AOE/M+ situation

[runic hinge]

We use dslice for assa too

[true condor]

for sub also?

[ebon steppe]

Guide about raidbots……？like how to sim things？

[ebon steppe]

Man this week every tank chains

So save ur vanish for ic

But in bossfight just use vanish to buuuuurst

[queen blaze]

i'm a noob and i keep forgetting to keep up slice and dice
just curious when slice of dice isn't up what am i losing

[ebon steppe]

vanish and envenom！
(didn't crit)

[ebon steppe]

Tons of attacks
So, less poison proc
So, less amplifying poison stacks
So, less kb and envenom dmg
So, less damage

In mythic+ i think you only need to press 0-2 times of slice and dice

So make a wa to remind you do that

[glass hemlock]

only time i have to reapply slice and dice is if we wiped lmao

[rotund oak]

yes for sub as well,all rogue specs Dslice for m+

[true condor]

thx brothers

i am writing sth

[rotund oak]

sub doesnt cleave though so if u have cleave scenarios sub works different

should ask our beloved @vestal wren

[true condor]

not only brother, my goal about this post is trying to let people sim vault themselves also the code from tc-reaserch, teach them how to use it, this post is a kind of upgrade bc there was a old post

sure when hes online i would

i need to ask auth from copying code also, in manner

so old the last post

6 years

[glacial stump]

Only just watching this, dude just smoking a cig while cranking. Hard as fuck

[thorny wren]

assas opener pvp anyone pls?

[glacial stump]

#pvp

[iron carbon]

Zero is just blasting keys insulting his mates with the cig between his lips. I find you it too funny

BTW still one of he best assa you can find vod

And he's pretty chill in stream he can explain why a certain way or another

[primal jolt]

good morning cosmic damage doers

[royal python]

It breaks stealth when someone comes freshly in your range, not linked to proc. So if say someone died n gets a rez, then his rebirth in your vicinity will break stealth if wearing the cloak

[balmy condor]

weirdge

[soft shale]

yea it can be annoying

[glacial stump]

@balmy condor your guide vids should be in the pins, especially the one relating to cooldown sequencing. Answers like 90% of the issues I've been having as a beginner

[clever sapphire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clever sapphire]

wait wasnt there a command for those

[glacial stump]

The written guides are very useful, but the visual guides are easier to learn from for me

Plus he talk about using CD's in lower keys, when stuff dies before you get to ramp up, for shitters in the lower keys like moi

[balmy condor]

putting my own content into the pins or wherever is a bit of a weird place to be

cause self-promo is against the rules

and like yeh especially for alpha stuff like new trees I like to include an optional video that basically just says the same thing as the pin in #tww-assassination, done that a couple times

but it's icky to overdo that

[glacial stump]

I guess so yeah true

thanks for the guides anyways

[balmy condor]

also like why my videos over X person for example

and then there's like a "well he's making the pins so his videos are in there reeee"

[glacial stump]

yeah makes sense

[balmy condor]

it's

very yucky

but you're welcome

I'm glad you're enjoying them

[rotund oak]

eveyrone with a functional brain would enjoy and value the work.Its a service for the rogue nation

[clever sapphire]

but my restealths

[glacial stump]

They're good man, reading a written guide for optimal rotation just makes me think I'm playing the spec wrong if I'm NOT doing the optimal aoe rotation pull

Gonna try the aterial shock build, probs better for my lil 8-10 keys

[clever sapphire]

i would suggest that build up to 13s even

[rotund oak]

im using arterial shock up to 11-12s its very cool,dont be afraid to test it even higher

what i like the most is ppl commiting in something and doing as much as humanly possible to spread the word about rogue as a class.From written guides to videos and stream whispyr is there

highly value that

takes character to do it

[glacial stump]

Man rogue is hard

[rotund oak]

rogue is very unforgiving and situational

[glacial stump]

I've geared most classes up to at least 2k rating apart from DK. And rogue is hard

[rotund oak]

yeah i consider it probably the hardest class in wow

[glacial stump]

Fire mage still hasnt clicked yet either, but yeah rogue is not beginner friendly at all

[rotund oak]

ive been playing mage during DF

both frost and fire

fire has a very strict burst window,u cant do mistakes but ye

i think in everything else its much easier coz tis ranged

u dotn rly care about movement and range and mechanics n stuff

Like if u think about it mage has 2 blinks,alter time and displacement

also has energized shields and heals from displacement

and with shifting power

can spam that

every 20-25secs

its actually ridiculous

[glacial stump]

I was frost/arcane players in S2/3 that class is a joke

mage is always cooking

[rotund oak]

its crazy overpowered

[glacial stump]

Theyve just got everything man

[rotund oak]

yeah pretty much

[glacial stump]

I hate pressing crimson tempest man, feels like a chore

[clever sapphire]

look at its dmg after a key if you kept it up well