assassination

[slate crown]

so it's really just a way to get a myth track piece at this point, you already have diurnas

and you'll keep getting bullions so there's not much of a wrong choice, any choice you make with it with be very marginal at this point

[barren yarrow]

yeah true

[slate crown]

Like, Carver is also 10% movement speed, which Sark dagger doesn't have, and sims don't account for

[barren yarrow]

hmm i didnt know that

[slate crown]

If there were a mroe presssing choice for damage, then that may not be worth it

but, given how you have most everything else

may be good

Like you can get carver now, and in 2 weeks, you can get the shield ring for a ring with extra stats if the robot thinks that is better for you at max ilvl

[runic hinge]

Next week is dungeon week as well so maybe another 2 bullion

[slate crown]

[barren yarrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nsEAHjbVLwApsL5z1dxmMx

so this is what mr. robot says right now

the only things i changed were upgrades and sark cloak with carver

acutally no this is just upgrades with max carver

and carver would give me like 50 more dps

[runic hinge]

If you move your bsl off ring the shield ring might be better than it. Could move to neck maybe

Idk what you really wanna do

[slate crown]

Like the 50 dps is irrelevant

[ruby birch]

LMAO i just had some hunter rage leave before a key because the priest was refusing to give them PI instead of me

assa bringing in entertainment beyond just playing the game

[barren yarrow]

i need a new neck for sure

[runic hinge]

Craft one. Put BSL on it. Get brood ring. And use whatever dagger you want main hand

Ez pz

I mean it is a meme season so can really just run what you want

[regal bluff]

How do you guys drop Nick? I know it’s in Dawn of something, but what about the ILevel? Isn’t it champion weapon?

[balmy condor]

you go in, do hardmode

it drops on hero

if you don't do hardmode, it drops champ

kill second boss, hearth out

repeat every week until drop

[regal bluff]

Hmmm ok

We can’t solo right? Need a group?

[balmy condor]

correct

hardmode is probably equal to like an m+10 or something

[regal bluff]

Is it worth the 6 iLevel less?

[balmy condor]

it's bis at champ, but hero track is like 0.3% better

[regal bluff]

Hero is up to 522?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[regal bluff]

Thanks! No way I’m gonna kill myself for .3% 😅

Plus need a group

I have a guild, but…

[balmy condor]

I mean you can't solo it on regular mythic either

you'd need a group either way

[regal bluff]

Isn’t the passive procing only on auto attacks. I mean, doesn’t the higher attack PWR increase your damage output rather than procing this?

How is this eve BIS?

[balmy condor]

timestrike duplicate all damage

it's around 1% of your dps

[regal bluff]

Holy shit

[balmy condor]

and offhand weapons aren't worth shit

so

1% dps for like a -0.2% downgrade on the base dagger

very worth

[regal bluff]

What do you guys use as carver bonus?

I see a bunch of high level use mechanical

[balmy condor]

most use dragon

mechanical is kinda crap

they never fixed the bugs with it

or well

they fixed the good one

which made it strong

and now it's just meh

[regal bluff]

Thanks for the advice

Still chasing a higher iLevel, might do it later dunno

[glass hemlock]

Is there a TLDR for the Carver weapon?

[silk bane]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[balmy condor]

Use once on dragon, forget dagger exists

[regal bluff]

I like the 10% leech

You have a lot of mobility already

[slate crown]

Well, keep in mind it's 10% leech when you're below 50% only

[balmy condor]

I would enjoy the 10% leech a lot more if it wasn’t under 50%

Because you’re under 50% basically never

And when you are, you’re either dead or popping cheat

And the leech doesn’t save you

[regal bluff]

So, you guys prefer the cheat death over the other node that gives 20% reduced damage?

Some QoL changes they could do for TWW, would be to have faster animations 👀

[balmy condor]

The cheat death isn’t a true cheat death

[slate crown]

I think most high end stuff people run elusiveness because if the node is to save you, it can do so much more frequently than a 6min cheat cd

[balmy condor]

It’s a tiny heal when you drop under 25%

[glass hemlock]

So just go use the weapon on a dragon anywhere and then forget it? Great haha

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It persists through logout and everything

[glass hemlock]

😂😂😂

Blizzard things

[regal bluff]

It’s 3 mins

[balmy condor]

Cheat is 6

[regal bluff]

I’m talking about the second line class mode

Node

[slate crown]

Yes.

[balmy condor]

Yes

Cheat death

The talent

Is a 6 min cooldown

[regal bluff]

Do you guys prefer?

The most Higher IO sin uses it in higher keys

[balmy condor]

They’re both fine

If you know when damage is coming

Elusiveness can be better

Especially if you don’t need the evasion to cheese

[regal bluff]

Also the mobility from dragon

[glass hemlock]

I’m excited but nervous about TWW, it’ll be my first expansion on WoW… only started in s3 of DF

[regal bluff]

Same…

[slate crown]

Why nervous?

[regal bluff]

Although I started right before SL release, but I don’t count since I quit a month afterwards

[glass hemlock]

I went from PvP only all of s3 playing holy priest, disc priest and frost mage and now I’m resto druid, assa rogue for PvE haha

[regal bluff]

So far I have leveled so many toons to 70 and decent gear, my main was a Ret 526

[glass hemlock]

More buttons to push, more shit to learn

[regal bluff]

Rogue is much more fun

Can’t even compare

[slate crown]

Rogue doesn't have more buttons to push in tww

unless they flip ds on its head and give it an active button or something wacky

[balmy condor]

Sounds like an improvement

[glass hemlock]

Sure, still plenty of more stuff to learn

[slate crown]

Deathstalker becomes a one point hero tree

Darkerest Night.
3 minute Cooldown.

Cast to die instantly.

[balmy condor]

Me or the boss

[slate crown]

That's the thing.

[balmy condor]

Nvm doesn’t matter

Still an improvement

[candid anvil]

Isnt the cheat death from dreamcarver dagger better than speed?

Why is it meh

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s a tiny ass heal

[slate crown]

It's just not a "cheat death", it doesn't prevent lethal damage.

[slate crown]

There is some new stuff to learn, this is true, but it sounds like you've run the gamut of learning new classes already, so shouldn't be too bad. There's also not much rotational change overall (assuming the state of beta is roughly the same as what goes live).

There is a fair amount of extra stuff outside of rogue like new systems to learn, that's also fair, but everyone else will be learning it at the same time with you.

[vestal wren]

it was better when it was bugged to proc more than intended, now its just a heal back if you fall below a certain hp threshold.

[slate crown]

It's an experience, and is (typically) a fun and exciting time with lots of player energy

[boreal ginkgo]

Hi all, what CDs do yall use Ashes of Embersoul with and would we be able to macro it?

[rotund oak]

ashes+deathmark+pot

big window,big pump

[boreal ginkgo]

So mainly with Deathmark window instead of Kingsbane?

[rotund oak]

deathmark window is always paired with Kingsbane

ALWAYS

it never fails

deathmark cd is 2min kingsbane is 1min

so we once use kingsbane paired with deathmark and one alone

One big window,one smaller

[balmy condor]

In raids it’s marginally better to macro it to cast on kingsbane instead of deathmark, but it should always be the kingsbane inside deathmark

You never want to ashes outside of deathmark

[boreal ginkgo]

True that. Thank you Sapzilla and Whispyr!

[normal mist]

no problem

[rotund oak]

thank whispyr more,ive learned from him^^ 😄

[manic perch]

Hey guys I had a question about how improved garrote plays in the rotation in a couple of spots.

1. Should you always refresh garrote in shadow dance/vanish, even if it is above pandemic range?

2. With deathmark, do you need to have an improved garrote before applying deahthmark, or can you just apply it later after kingsbane, (basically asking if there's any snapshotting things to consider with deathmark)

[digital kettle]

what poisons on weapon do we use for raid and m+`?

[spice surge]

1. Yes
2. No theres no snapshotting

[leaden garden]

Hello, i have a question. Should I spam Crimson Tempest in AoE, or just once to apply? Would spamming it be better than passive Caustic Splatter damage? Sorry for noob questions, I am just abit confused with the damage pattern in aoe

[spice surge]

It doesnt do damage when you press it

It only applies a dot

So no, you dont spam it

[leaden garden]

ooh I missread it, sorry! so once and then focus on caustic splatter damage, assuming dots are up

[sharp ether]

does sarc cloak breaks stealth on assa too?

my dps has been reduced since ive been using it

[spice surge]

Yes

[sharp ether]

so i should replace it?

[spice surge]

For keys ye

[sharp ether]

i saw ppl running it on raid

[spice surge]

It also reduces your stamina

[rotund oak]

washed up ol' Sap vs 3.5k Devoker 1 - 0

(irrelevant key lvl but still)

[hot bluff]

Hey all, is anybody else experiencing that stealth breaks after a few seconds when restealthing after a combat segment at the moment?

[rotund oak]

yeah

its the back

im not using it,it breaks stealth

[hot bluff]

Oh, damn. Thanks for the information. Is it a bug?

[rotund oak]

yeah the back procs or has some weird interactions that breaks it

[hot bluff]

Will test it now.

[rotund oak]

also the evoker leggo

cheers

[slate crown]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evokers legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[hot bluff]

I think it could be Subterfuge. I reproduce the issue without or without the voice of silent star and the other billet points do not apply to me. It is very annoying when restealthing after a pack. Looks like this has been known since a while for different reasons. 🥹

[rotund oak]

If none of the mentioned apply then u might just press stealth from a macro that just destealths u.Those are noted after lots of teting n stuff from many ppl

kinda sus

[hot bluff]

I restealth with my mouse button but not with a macro. Are you suggesting I should use a macro instead?
Tested on subtlety and everything works. Right now I am testing single target build for Assa. I have the feeling it might rather be connected to indiscriminate carnage or iron wire.

[rotund oak]

Im not suggesting anything,just thinking if u actually have stealth placed somewhere u might hit stealth twice and destealth urself

ive got it binded separately,even for pvp,no macros for stealth

[hot bluff]

Yeah, initially I thought exactly the same and accused my mouse. Replaced it with another one and still the same. After some testing I am pretty sure it has to do with Sudden Demise. If I do not talent into it, I do not trigger the de-stealthing. Would be cool if others who encounter the issue would test if the also can confirm or not.
Edit:
Only tested on single target dummy. Wthe target is low HP the de-stealthing occurs. On multitarget and high HP it did not trigger.

[primal jolt]

jumpscare

[brave gyro]

Wish we had more mog options that look similar to the art. Specifically the helm

[grim bison]

trust me it’s only an art for w reason

other parts are present in the game

[royal lantern]

thanks, now my dog is crying

[primal jolt]

😭

[vestal wren]

i fear no evil

[rotund oak]

''As i walk in the shadow through the valley of death i shall fear no deathstalker''

[barren yarrow]

how do we edit details to not reset after vanish?

[vestal wren]

just reset it and use dynamic overall

[gusty mirage]

there's nothing to fear

except for PC performance on assa

[gusty mirage]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[grizzled mist]

why dont I see the green gooue stuff on the floor xd when I splatter

[spice surge]

Thats poison bomb, not spatter

[lunar thicket]

should i be using crimson tempest on fortified weeks? i feel like i'm doing relativaly low damage as 520

[shy pecan]

Are you hitting CT on 4+ targets?

[lunar thicket]

i'm currently not specced into CT

[shy pecan]

Got it. I mean, it’s usually top three damage. Hybrid keeps good prio while still utilizing CT

[rotund oak]

hhahaha 😅

[lunar thicket]

i do really decent single target, but since its fortified and we normally spend more time on mobs, i feel like it's logical to use CT

then i can maybe stop complaining about my damage lmao

[shy pecan]

Also depends on what key level you’re doing

[lunar thicket]

8-10

i'm just a 2500 dude, don't normally go above it

also noob question, do i use CT on bosses? is it worth to keep up?

[ashen oriole]

no

[shy pecan]

I was doing like 460k in a weekly 10 earlier this week (Nelth) as AP. And I personally wouldn’t run the full cleave build at even a 10 because shit dies too fast

[rotund oak]

yes every single key.

im 522 and im doing about 400-450k-ish overall consistently

[ashen oriole]

you can try this build in lower keys perhaps : BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsRSkkkEAAAAAAgUSi0SCAAAAAA0KJJIBSSKpFERSkkkkENlIBA

[lunar thicket]

yep i just changed to this one, will test it out, makes sense since its all full bleeds

ty mates ❤️

[nimble zinc]

Always use CT on fortified weeks.

[nimble zinc]

Same here. I’m usually 400k+ on 8’s and I’m only 516. Running the AP build

[lunar thicket]

ok so it got waaay better imo, boss damage is still okay

having some troubles with energy but i was used to having alot of it

[rotund oak]

yup thats alot better

should pick up torch trinket

that will add a considerable amount of dmg in keys

[lunar thicket]

i have it already 😢

[eternal nymph]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

for me it does about 6-10% each key

[lunar thicket]

i normally use it on cd, on packs of 3 or more

[rotund oak]

u press it on cd,just not about if u are gonna go 30sec or less into ashes+dm window

coz ashes will go on shared cd

and u will lose it

also try to take advantage of the torch bug

to proc extra hits

it does stupid dmg

[lunar thicket]

yep yep, normally i use it on cd IF ashes is already on cd

like, sometimes i use ashes on one pack, and next pack i got manic up

[rotund oak]

on neltharus

1st big pull i press tricks and send torch

sprint and move next to the mobs

it does something like 35mil dmg

mobs just die

[lunar thicket]

huh.... i do something similar, but i'm pretty sure its not doing around 35mil

[rotund oak]

u either send it early or u ar eunlucky

especially this week with sang

tank moves all the time

stacked mobs is free dmg

[lunar thicket]

hmm i'll keep a watch on it

[rotund oak]

ive posted on sub channel iirc like 20 days ago a big trinket use on AA

[south tendon]

!daggger

[exotic pasture]

How is it that you trigger it reliably? Is it your moving that triggers? Running towards mobs (like sprint and run away doesn’t work)? Saw that post a while back.

[rotund oak]

moving next to moving mobs and pressing it procs extra hits

u just need to press sprint

[exotic pasture]

Okay so circles around the pack if it’s already within melee range? Sorry to bug

Roger so the sprint

[rotund oak]

no circles,linear movement

just move next to the mobs

[exotic pasture]

I’ll give it some tries here, thank you

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[rotund oak]

just remember the more stacked are the mobs the more it procs

[exotic pasture]

Got a feeling for cleaverange off main target? Seems like it’s not 8yd or maybe not 5

[rotund oak]

cant recall the specifics but after some hours of testing im doing it empyrically now

[exotic pasture]

I play with damage numbers off so I have terrible input on these things

[rotund oak]

judging the density and predict the movement

[exotic pasture]

Rgr

[rotund oak]

u dont rly need to see dmg numbers

[exotic pasture]

Ye just this situation makes noticing it harder

[rotund oak]

it hits like 9-11 times normally

there are screenshots with like

90 hits

[exotic pasture]

Right

Okay good to know the 9-11 is semi baseline

[rotund oak]

its what it normally does

[lunar thicket]

i need someone to hit my head with a metal pipe. so my dum'ahh person, was checking everyones gear on raider io and it doesnt show embelishments, so i was using crafted items with no embelishments 💀

[rotund oak]

1.1mil no crits

then u factor the crit

and the extra hits

dmg numbers

[potent raven]

happens

[exotic pasture]

Not that it matters much but curious if you know proc rate on cleave

[rotund oak]

no idea its normally a ST trinket

its supposed to be a bug

[exotic pasture]

Well the chance of cleave is not bugged except for movement, cleave chance is in tooltip I thought

[rotund oak]

ye true,it just doesnt do much in ''cleave'' scenarios anyway

[exotic pasture]

Yeah smells like it’s low without movement bug

[rotund oak]

yup

[ashen oriole]

do you guys respec to a more ST heavy build at some point in various keys?

during Fortified weeks

[grim jay]

if you respec you respec for what your group needs

[ashen oriole]

i mean during the key

[grim jay]

what

no

that was mostly a healer gimmick

for first pulls

if you need ST in your group you play cleave to begin with

if you dont need it there wouldnt be a reason to swap either way

[haughty flicker]

I know ret did it in the past in very high keys

[balmy condor]

I think people tried to do it for the last boss of brackenhide and then realized rogue just sucks at the totem

[grim jay]

and wasted a year on reentering

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean timer is rarely an issue the idea was that you just don’t kill the boss otherwise

[grim jay]

honestly ap shock doesnt feel too bad at doing totem

[vestal wren]

but "GRIEFTORCHHHHH WHAAAA!"

(can use grieftorch for totem)

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Idk

[grim jay]

I wouldnt enter without an insane totem class tho

to begin with

[balmy condor]

Totem just doesn’t last long enough

It’s very strange for assa

All this pooling energy for when you need it and then you need it and you’re doing tank damage

[rotund oak]

whispyr stream when

[balmy condor]

Maybe Monday

[grim jay]

idk what I did so far in higher keys tbf, I think I for one used torch if noone had stuff up and on the other ones I just saved a shiv charge with garrote rupture

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

I work weekends

[rotund oak]

im starting mapple probably

[balmy condor]

Yeah makes sense

[balmy condor]

It’s a good patch to start

Winter update would go even crazier for new players but that so far away

Actually excited for patches

Weird feeling

[grim jay]

I mean there are many games where you can be excited for patches

but not that often in wow

[rotund oak]

im starting after the big PR CvC in RAID

gotta pump over a million points

(im a bigboi )

[balmy condor]

Bit problematic when that’s the game you get paid for

[haughty flicker]

Should’ve picked a better game

Skill issue

[balmy condor]

Yeah guess so

Common whispyr L

[lunar thicket]

went from 83% to 94% mastery with the embelishments i forgot to craft 💀 also me wondering where my damage was

[rotund oak]

how much vers u got

[grim jay]

you could just make LoL tierlists

[haughty flicker]

nah

imagine how much money he would make streaming ffxiv

as a cat boy

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

Nasus S everything else F

[haughty flicker]

see he wouldnt make any money on tier lists

[vestal wren]

wait, you are getting paid

(sry)

[rigid haven]

If im perma struggling for Energy in single target is that a haste issue crit issue or skill issue?

[shy pecan]

It's not a haste issue.

There'll be downtimes when you're saving your last tea charge for your next KB and weren't able to keep your envenoms going

[rigid haven]

So try and chill tf out when im burning thru energy before my next KB?

[shy pecan]

Yeah.

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[cunning quarry]

Hiyaaa, im getting back into wow after a 5 year break. Played assassination rogue alot (but was bad) has the spec changed a huge amoutn since bfa?

been playing feral atm and its fun but miss rogue

[shy pecan]

There's completely different talent trees from BFA so yeah, I'd say so. The concept of keeping bleeds up and envenoming/poisons/etc. are still there

[latent copper]

hey, guys u rly play all with Crippling poison in sanguine week?

dunno what else i could do (high keys)

[proven jasper]

no

Delete crippling off ur weapon

[haughty flicker]

just dont apply it

[latent copper]

ok ty

how much dmg loss is it? So u only play with 3?

[proven jasper]

0 crippling doesnt do damage

Its there to help tanks kite but cant do that with sanguine existing

[latent copper]

oh k thought its as well a poison to get indirect more dmg

so i dont apply now. Ty

[proven jasper]

i can never remember if it counts towars lethal dose but even if it does its very minimal damage loss

[spice surge]

Its one less lethal dose stack so its slightly less damage

But its fine

[proven jasper]

yeah what eleem said

[latent copper]

ok ty. So bad that we cant use wound instead :/

[proven jasper]

Spec is unplayable without deadly unfortunately

[latent copper]

yeah would be a nice niche for us it it would work

[proven jasper]

yeah its cool as arms but tbh anybody with a brain is going to pull the mobs out of sanguine asap anyways

[runic hinge]

You could just run the build without double poisons and not worry about crippling

[slate crown]

This is true, it is an option to spec into having fun, I highly recommend it

[haughty flicker]

sounds dumb

[runic hinge]

[vagrant epoch]

best craft stat for Assa rog?

[normal mist]

usually sims are the answer

do you only play assa?

In case you also play outlaw (like i do) versa/crit and call it a day

[vagrant epoch]

i use to play outlaw, but just started playing assa only now 😄

[normal mist]

read the following

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[normal mist]

So whatever your craft its alright

[vagrant epoch]

nice thank you

[normal mist]

Probably the biggest difference is the embelishments

outlaw can use double shadowflame

Assa prefers double BLS

[barren yarrow]

so @normal mist how can one sin correctly? I’m at the point where I know how to use raid bots but the whole stat weight thing goes above my head. I’m at like 84% mast 40% crit 20-19% haste and vers respectfully

[balmy condor]

Top gear/droptimizer

[barren yarrow]

So top gear for what I currently have yes? I’m at the point now where everything gives me less than 1k dps. But what confuses me is things like sark cloak and nick of time. I bought shield ring because nick is BIS even though its hero track

[spice surge]

Theres a search bar at the top of the top gear page where you can add items you do not currently possess

[barren yarrow]

Right but I’m trying to not use these BIS websites. But I also don’t know what to pinpoint.

[balmy condor]

What’s confusing about sark cloak and nick

[barren yarrow]

I mean tindral drops a very good neck but I also don’t have a raid team good enough to get to him.

well I watched a video stating sark cloak isn’t exactly good in most cases

like anvil. It’s better for longer fights.

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s a cloak with full stats, at a higher ilvl than anything else.

The “issues” are that it’s missing stamina and breaks stealth in m+

[barren yarrow]

or I’m just confused on what exactly todo in raidbots. I’ve used your guide as like a template.

[balmy condor]

But in terms of damage it’s just a no brainer

Cause it’s cloak+something

[barren yarrow]

ahhh

[balmy condor]

Nick of time is similar

[lofty acorn]

In AoE packs in M+, am I wanting to sustain at least 3 ruptures? Or should I be spending a lot of CP on spreading it to every target available?

[balmy condor]

It’s a couple ilvl lower, but it has time strike

So it’s basically just dagger+something

[spice surge]

If you have scent of blood specced you want to maintain 5 ruptures, otherwise you just maintain enough bleeds to sustain your energy

[barren yarrow]

Right I get about 1.5% damage from it throughout an M+ it ramps to about 2% in a raid.

[balmy condor]

Droptimizer will sim every item from like raid or m+ for example

So you can use that to find upgrades

[lofty acorn]

And then cleave with Caustic spatter?

[barren yarrow]

well. Then I guess I can get sark cloak with bullion and keep another cloak for M+

[spice surge]

Yes, and/or keep crimson tempest up

[barren yarrow]

Whispyr is there a chance that anyone here can do a coaching session for me on how to I guess use raidbots better? Lol I know that sounds stupid but I just don’t have a crazy amount of time most times to dive deep.

Actually. I think I’m overthinking this. My stats are my stats lol. I’ll just have to Sim each raid and see what happens.

[normal mist]

If you're playing assa, just focus on ilevel first. As assa you don't want to have too much of X stat and barely any of Y stat (i'm looking at you, oulaw)

Keeping everything balanced will be good enough. (ofc, sim the gear you have and make changes from there)

[lofty acorn]

Any name plate recommendations to track DoTs that dont involve having an entire WA package? I like my UI as is. My name plates just dont track much

[barren yarrow]

Yeah I have a bunch of mastery

almost 90%

haste and verse in lacking less than 25%

crit im like 40-42%

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[balmy condor]

there's some platers there

[lofty acorn]

Neat command. Thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[barren yarrow]

One thing that is weird is when I sim rings, one of the enchants is crit and one is mastery lol.

[balmy condor]

thats fine

it's probably within margin to a bunch of other combos

[barren yarrow]

I mean at this point, in my opinion is it’s way more about how well you do your rotation than an xtra 82 crit

for my situation

and unless I get mythic level drops from raids, I’m just waiting for vault upgrades.

I know I’m being annoying but when I found this disc out I’m just soaking up everything I can lol.

[slate crown]

Also keep in mind when you're talking about which enchants/gems/stats to pick, you're not just getting an "extra" 82 crit. You're exchanging 82 crit for 82 of something else.

82 crit from zero is worthwhile (even though in the grand scheme of things it's still not much), but the difference between swapping it for 82 of another stat is much less than getting it from zero

[barren yarrow]

and asking the dumb questions

Like if you had 3,000 crit you’re going to 3,082

[slate crown]

So yeah, most important thing, especially given our even stat profile (though this is also true of a lot of other classes) is to push your buttons right

[barren yarrow]

true. In 520 ilvl and my burst windows I was obliterating every class almost.

[slate crown]

You could spend hours doing millions of iterations of sims to squeeze out a theoretically very very slightly better stat distribution by recrafting and regemming everything and playing around with different weapon runes to get the stats jussssst right

or you could like, play the game

[barren yarrow]

lol true. My goal ish out to get all mythic level stats

[blazing jewel]

If you’re not simming at 3mil iterations what are you doing smh

[barren yarrow]

I still have a lot of hero level gear

[slate crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181122276633083964/1224757157484822609/image0.gif

[blazing jewel]

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

enjoying yourself

[blazing jewel]

What does he mean by that

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

having a pleasant time

[shy pecan]

What’s that?

[blazing jewel]

[haughty flicker]

its what happens when you play a different class

is what ive been told

[blazing jewel]

If I played a different class I would be exiled from my guild

Login

[rotund oak]

💀

scana the liar

[blazing jewel]

?????

[shy pecan]

???????

[rotund oak]

?!!??!

btw tornado season started,should watch out,2 large systems heading towards mexico

[shy pecan]

？？？？？

[blazing jewel]

@keen spruce stop padding

[haughty flicker]

thanks for the warning

i guess

[rotund oak]

wait u live in florida as well?

[haughty flicker]

is florida in mexico

[shy pecan]

?

[rotund oak]

well those ''systems'' kinda affect the entire region

dont worry

mexico and florida both gonna swim

was trying to bait scana into admitting he misses wow with a clever comeback and all

but u ruined it

im going to sleep

[haughty flicker]

glad i could help

[blazing jewel]

I do but I’m not going to be able to play it for a while

[rotund oak]

u live in mexico huh?

[barren yarrow]

I tried DH but didn’t like it

[haughty flicker]

what part of me asking is florida in mexico would make you think i live in mexico

[shy pecan]

Can play me instead

[blazing jewel]

[shy pecan]

I mean

[tropic pike]

damage profile for brackehnhide my kingsbane should be higher right :o?

[rotund oak]

my initial notice was that the weather is heading towards mexico,u replied with ty for the warning i guess

[shy pecan]

I mean, don’t really have enough info to say on just a details screenshot

[haughty flicker]

true

[tropic pike]

ah fug didnt have rio open for logs

[haughty flicker]

i guess i do live in mexico

[rotund oak]

ill jump out of ur screen and btchslap u

(ina friendly way)

🫶

[keen spruce]

WAT?

[slate crown]

gm

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

[slate crown]

The guide:

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

[rotund oak]

[blazing jewel]

Guide does not apply to meeps when he plays law

[shy pecan]

Gottem

[barren yarrow]

I normally kingsbane in a pack but if I’m close to a boss I won’t use it.

[runic hinge]

:3

[ancient tangle]

!fuu

[nimble zinc]

What level key?

[tropic pike]

8

[shy pecan]

Again, that's too hard to really say if it should be higher. Regardless of build, target's going to likely die too fast if you have some big blasters or other people targeting your KB target

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vague dagger]

if im gonna play wounded poison in m+, which do i replace?

[spice surge]

You dont want to

Its a very big dps loss

[vague dagger]

yeah figured that aswell, my group really wanted me to, but i said no now xD

[runic hinge]

The dps you will lose will be more than the heal cut power

Just don’t play Dtb this week so you don’t have crippling

[steady owl]

you dont need to apply the second non lethal poison with dtb right? Theres not some talent i havent seen that makes you do more dmg with 4 poisons applied or something?

[runic hinge]

You will miss a lethal dose stack but other than that it’s fine

[severe condor]

!wa

[nimble zinc]

here's details from one of my +8 academy runs last night. I do way more bleeds in M+ compared to raid which is way more poisons.

I had huge uptime on sanguine blades because the tank was doing massive aoe pulls, 10-20 mobs at a time. Like the entire room before the tree boss, the triple pack before vex, etc.

[spice surge]

Assa right now is designed mostly around the idea that poisons = singletarget focused and bleeds=aoe focused

[nimble zinc]

yeah in raid my top 5 are always like KB, envenom, caustic splatter, poison bomb, envenom explosion, deadly poison, etc.

in keys its always garrote, CT, rupture, sanguine blades and sudden demise

my sudden demise was #6 that time but its usually # 3 or 4, but look at my top cap was 2.7 mil on it.

compared to one of my better fights - heroic dathea last week where we zerged and I did over 300k pure single target.https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qWVydhcFA4GHTXLJ#fight=32&type=damage-done&source=313

[barren yarrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9mBmE7Ym7T6zPUhXr3Y3iW

so this cloak which is hero gives 1.3k more dps?

i have myth track nel clock

[tawny pagoda]

is there any way how i can find stats which item get when i catalyst it? i have wrist in weekly with worst stats and i dont know i should take them and use in catalyst or just take another things

oh i find it, raidbots can show item after catalyst never mind 😄

[slate crown]

Yeah use top gear

[nimble zinc]

Did a brackenhide 8. I’m level 516 atm. On Gutshot boss w/ adds I beat the 527 ret pally on dps. He beat me in overall but it was still reallllly fun.

BH is probably one of my fav dungeons.

[barren yarrow]

yeah our burst damage is nuts

i think im really bad at the burst, i use hekili to try and learn lol i have an MRT note now that has whysprs rotation so i can improve but once you get it down, its nuts.

[slate crown]

Disable hekili

It is not trustworthy for rogue

[barren yarrow]

yeah i noticed

half the time it will tell me to use something or not use something at the wrong times

what do you think about sepsis being removed for TWW?

[blazing jewel]

Sepsis

[slate crown]

Depends who you are asking, it's a divisive button (though there is, what seems to be, a majority opinion)

[blazing jewel]

Sepsis imo doesn’t work with reworked sin

Was pretty interesting with the previous version though

[slate crown]

I enjoyed pressing the button in season 2

I had no reason to press it in season 3 because it didn't fit in

[runic hinge]

it made season 2 interesting

[slate crown]

But, I am ultimately disappointed to see it go

Many people were very happy to see it go

[blazing jewel]

Sepsis gave you the good garrote but now with nightstalker it doesn’t really work because you’d be overwriting a better garrote

Messy

[slate crown]

No more nightstalker

you're behind the times

[blazing jewel]

Is it gone

[slate crown]

In TWW

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

I need to actually look at the trees even though I will not be playing

[blazing jewel]

This is really good news for you lmfao

• 50 lines on apl

[balmy condor]

speedrun assa changes TLDR:

• nightstalker gone (replaced by subterfuge) [imp gar and carnage are 6 seconds, subterfuge does nothing, cringe]
• dance gone (swaps spots with the +1 vanish charge on sub) [3 point talent and no reduced cd on vanish means it's also cringe, dead on arrival gg]
• bone spike is passive, casts when you press rupture, very cool
• kingsbane got orbital striked
• venom rush replaced with deeper strat
• sepsis only exists on sub now (they're mad)
• cut to the chase is dead (they made it baseline on all 3 rogue specs)
• rapid injection replaces cut to the chase (it's basically the amirdrassil 4 piece but under tuned to shit)

[blazing jewel]

My hero

KB orbital strike

[balmy condor]

they cut the cap in half on it

[slate crown]

(I'm also mad )

[balmy condor]

so you can cap kingsbane realistically without DTB

like during opener, bit of RNG, and kingsbane caps without dtb

[blazing jewel]

Were we even realistically hitting the cap with standard play

[balmy condor]

yes

constantly

[blazing jewel]

Rip it’s over

[balmy condor]

during lust + pi you'd hit the cap like 10-11 seconds in

now you do the same, but with season 1 gear, no lust, and no pi

pi value for us is like -35%

[blazing jewel]

Interesting

The pi thing is a blessing

[barren yarrow]

lol i got put on the bench today because "your dps isnt up to par" and i was like huh, you know whats crazy? im 521 iLvl who you comparing with top 100 rogues who almost all of them have some form of PI or auggy buff (we dont have 1)

i was like WHHAAAA

haha

[balmy condor]

I mean aug doesn't matter

[barren yarrow]

and i still did over 300k

[balmy condor]

PI is about 5%

PI def hurts but there's no reason to bring up aug

logs remove their contribution

[barren yarrow]

they do? i didnt know that

[balmy condor]

you can hover over the dps done

and it'll give you a breakdown of what it removed

[barren yarrow]

yeahh

ahh ok

yep thats why i see

id just like to get to the point where i can take my MRT note away again lol. my dps keeps getting better but

this channel has been a blessing if im being honest.

and ofc your vids and guides

[balmy condor]

glad they help

[slate crown]

You'll get there. Should try flipping it off every other pull if you feel you still need it

the stressor and practice of doing it without will probably help the learning process

and be ok with slipping up, it happens

[barren yarrow]

yeah i have it set up to where in combat it switches off so i read pre pull

[potent lintel]

I was in a mythic key with another sin rogue. He did 500k overall dps and I only did 300. When I looked at the breakdown he had 88.5million from causatic splatter vs my 14 million. What am I doing wrong? How can you control causatic spallter damage

[barren yarrow]

todays raid i was impressed we did magmorax tonight and was my highest dps yet

[balmy condor]

caustic spatters main source of damage is kingsbane, followed by envenom/tier set

[barren yarrow]

i compared my logs and top 50-100 asssa rogues on this boss my numbers were basically the same in terms of numbers pressed. Just less damage.

[balmy condor]

also depending on build, caustic can be more or less of the focus

like if you're playing the "Default" build

with arterial/kingsbane/carnage/sudden demise

that's bleed heavy

[potent lintel]

his kingsbane is 50mil damage vs my 25 million damage

is that enough to account for a difference in causatic splatter

[balmy condor]

I mean

twice as much :P

if he managed to time those kingsbane for big pulls

that's a ton of damage

[potent lintel]

on average I can only put out 2.0 million damage per Kingsbane use with highest being 4.4million

[slate crown]

Yeah, 45% of it, reduced beyond 5 targets, is def enoug hto make up that difference

[barren yarrow]

yeah timing KB is key

also those deathmark windows

[barren yarrow]

whispyr, i cant remember but do you have a video showing the rotation at all?

is it the cooldown sequence vid?

[balmy condor]

yah

there's a couple of those

should all be named appropriately

[runic hinge]

(Yapping boyfriend berates you for messing up rotation) ((asmr)) (((gone sexual))) [easiest challenge]

[balmy condor]

damn, dude already guessed my next video title that's wild

[primal jolt]

good morning pumpers

its so early im literally going to die

not too early to doom on rogue however

[rotund oak]

[primal jolt]

day ?? of looking for a new main so far ive rerolled like 9 times

currently playing dk

id play the feral druid more id say but constantly being called a furry has taken its toll

[rotund oak]

mage is the way

actaully crazy

[primal jolt]

frostfire?

[rotund oak]

sunfury

[primal jolt]

god damn

[rotund oak]

we had 2 mages on a raidtesting i did

both over a mil dps

on 2 bosses

[primal jolt]

I've been having fun with sanlayn like a lot

i dont like rider of apocalypse

[rotund oak]

frostfire still cool

its very comfy

[primal jolt]

same with sanlayn

wish however UHdk wasn't so bloated with buttons

like with rogue theres a good handful of buttons but they all make sense

with UH it feels very random

a lot of unnecessary buttons imo

[rotund oak]

idk man,havent played DK in a while

arcane felt bloaty

before spellsinger nerf

[primal jolt]

especially like they have a different death and decay

[rotund oak]

completely ditched the specc afterwards

[primal jolt]

and shit like that

i like current arcane a lot

idk what's it like for tww haven't really touched it

i am not a big fan of magical classes

i prefer raw meat

hand to hand combat

i keep having a rogue itch however i feel like i cant perform on any class as well as rogue

of course its just the time /played speaking

but regardless rogue really feels insanely fluid for me to play compared to any other class

id say the same for my old main(elesham) but its ruined by pwave and frost shock

[tawny pagoda]

yo, is there any way how to set up weak aura trigger of garrote used from stealth (improved garrote) ? the spell id of debuf on target is same when i use improved or regular garrote

[balmy condor]

not without custom code

!wa

wher bot

hold

https://wago.io/zxhRObQLf

[tawny pagoda]

nice ty!

[balmy condor]

lisonna coded that up

[slate crown]

Moroes is

[balmy condor]

yah

moroes is a bit sleepy

fuu will fix it when he wakes up im sure

[primal jolt]

i wont lie rogue discord has to be the most goated class discord

the rest are so mid

either boring or rude

[primal jolt]

next to hunter discord id say

[rotund oak]

sin right now feels very good and fluid,its just undertuned.All 3 specs

[balmy condor]

I can be rude if you'd like

we can change it

[primal jolt]

no you cant, you bottom

[spice spire]

Don’t talk to my bottom like that

[balmy condor]

you're just scared that when I roast you it'll bring up bad memories of your father beatin yo ass

[rotund oak]

ravenholdt is the best wow-related discord server,by far

[primal jolt]

ye definitely

ngl the dk discord is quite sensitive

they're very sensitive over their dps

[balmy condor]

typical gargoyle-cucks am i rite

[rotund oak]

DK discord is very srs,the complete opposite of DH

its like 2 opposite sides

one is formal and stuff the other is a cringe kindergarden

[keen spruce]

I’ve never seen anyone be rude in here before

[rotund oak]

Ravenholdt is the best because it gathers bigbrain ppl that process alot of data and derive with cool stuff

definition of knowledge is power

[balmy condor]

good answer shmeeps

I see your boeing training has taught you well

snitches get stitches, or a mysterious heart attack days before testifying in a whistleblower case

[keen spruce]

[barren yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-eye-wink-gif-12352742718877841322

"sudden death"

[blazing jewel]

@keen spruce

[keen spruce]

[glass hemlock]

Do you guys have a preferred healer to be in m+ with?

I love a good druid 😂

[rotund oak]

dont get me wrong but rogues love priests

its a PI thing

also rsham

its a totem thing

[glass hemlock]

Oooh yeah that’s true

We’ve got an SP in our friend group haha

So I call shotgun on that shit everyone

Everytime^

[thin estuary]

What totem?

[rotund oak]

windfury

[thin estuary]

That’s ench not rsham

[rotund oak]

oh true

nvm the later then

i stand corrected 🤝

[glass hemlock]

Hahahaha very good

I think the worst part of m+ for me is getting to 500 ilvl ish and then everything slows down

Spamming 2s etc for wyrms is not fun

But don’t get invited into 7s for Hero gear haha

[rotund oak]

does that mean we love more hpallies than rsham

coz BoS

[earnest remnant]

BoS get given back to them

[rotund oak]

i dont understand what that means mr racoon man

bos is a part of a rotation-season spell

[balmy condor]

yeah

but you don't get that damage

not even in details

[rotund oak]

oh so the extra dmg u do

is calculated as paladin dmg

[balmy condor]

yes

[rotund oak]

cool cool

didnt know

[primal jolt]

hello pumpers

[normal mist]

Hello pino

[sudden kelp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Pooling Practice Tool

[remote spire]

Hey all, I want to create a macro that when in stealth saps on mouseover, if no mouseover exists saps my target & the same when in combat for Blind.
This is what I have so far but blind doesn't work, can any1 help me?

#showtooltip
/stopattack [combat]
/use [stealth,nocombat,@mouseover,harm][stealth,nocombat]Sap;Blind

[glass hemlock]

250k dps tonight! 50k increase from a few days ago yeww

[candid anvil]

Sorry if its stupid question, but wouldn't it be better to use rupture 3rd to have it stealth-empowered and use slice and dice after next generator?

Or does rupture not snapshot?

[spice surge]

It does but it doesnt do much damage

You can swap em if youd like, it doesnt matter much

[ashen oriole]

that sounds like an interesting hero talent for deathstalker

[royal lantern]

interesting talent for what?

[safe helm]

What poisons can i play? Wowhead says aplifying, instant, deadly and 1 utility, but i seem to cant stack them?

[nimble zinc]

I would also argue rotation isn’t this cookie cutter. It’s situational.

Like if there’s 20+ mobs you have to press garrote more than once or twice to get it on everyone.

I’m pretty sure I almost always put rupture on before slice and dice.

[haughty flicker]

the goal isnt to get garrote/rupture on everyone

its to get enough out that you sustain energy

once you start getting into huge target counts it isnt worth trying to get bleeds on everything

[nimble zinc]

Idk man I hit 1.45 mil on an Academy 8 when the tank pulled the entire room for lashers

[haughty flicker]

im proud of you

[nimble zinc]

Ty ty

[candid anvil]

Thats actually very good point, there aint many cases where you have 4-6 targets and you dont have slice and dice up from previous pack

Thanks guys

[gusty mirage]

It’s more of a priority,
Amplifying if talented into it > Deadly > Instant (if not talented into amp and playing dragontempered)

Essentially you always play deadly

Because usually you don’t bother talenting amp poison if you’re not taking dtb

[wide ibex]

This might be stuppid but Im leaning how to play rouge/ass but usually in the logs I see the main dmg is caustic spatter but in my overall its way lower, does anyone have suggestion to improve on this??

[gusty mirage]

I would recommend getting a weakaura to track caustic on your main target, but besides that it just comes down to what key level you’re doing

Chances are if you’re setting up for big caustic damage in anything lower than a +12/+13 your caustic/kingsbane target gets deleted before it fully ticks the kingsbane

So it’ll naturally appear lower in details as a result

[wide ibex]

Im doing 6 to 10 now... so the targets are dying faster..

[gusty mirage]

Yeah shit just gets deleted unfortunately, even in +10s

And your kingsbane rarely finishes ticking out which is the majority of the kingsbane damage, and that’s the biggest spatter source

[exotic pasture]

but should have more Caustic by a bit even in a 6

[wide ibex]

I have a caustic tracker on my UI but not sure what I did wrong..

[gusty mirage]

If you’re still learning it probably takes you a little bit longer than someone more comfortable with the spec to get everything rolling to take full advantage of caustic

Which is fine, and not necessarily anything you’re doing incorrect but mostly just you getting a feel for everything and playing with people who shit out a ton of damage every pull

[wide ibex]

This is my 1st week play with the char.. trying to get there..

[exotic pasture]

oh ur ok lol

[wide ibex]

but thanks for the tips guys.. big help

[exotic pasture]

makes sense, most people even if theyre godly at multi classing takes reps to get used to it, especially when u dont have an extra gcd of time to spare in low ttd

[gusty mirage]

You’ll be fine

You’re doing all the right things, esp by asking questions

[strong wing]

How much do we lose for running acro? I feel like im losing a bit dps on some pulls for not having enough range

[spice surge]

You drop deeper strat and get acro+2x lethality instead

Its like -3% or something in sims, but it doesnt take a whole lot of extra globals from the extra range to make up for it

[clever sapphire]

wait i just realised the waist enchant that gives 106 stam costs like 5k gold, the feet enchant that gives 136 stam costs 166 gold

wtf is this pricing

[slate crown]

Shadowflame go brrrr

Materials for the belt enchant are wack

[clever sapphire]

ye but like what did blizzard think when they made the enchant

it gives less then my feet enchant, it should be easier to gather then no?

or am i just thinking too logically

[slate crown]

They wanted to incorporate the new stuff into it but also made the drop rate on the shadowflame stuff super low

[haughty flicker]

titan orbs

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[potent stone]

Hey yall, had a quick question regarding S4 Sudden Demise. The tooltip reads "when remaining Bleed damage you would deal to them exceeds 150% remaining health"

Does that imply i should be (ideally) reapplying bleeds to max duration below 35%hp to more easily proc SD?

[spice surge]

You should not

[potent stone]

hmmm, ok

its an oddly worded Tooltip lol

[balmy condor]

exceeds 150% remaining means you're getting 2/3rds the value

it's less efficient

[potent stone]

ah

[balmy condor]

than a normal bleed

like if you have 1000 health left on the target, you would need 1500 remaining bleed damage

so there's still loss

it's just less loss than normal

[potent stone]

looking at some other ass rogues, it seems my SD damage is far lower than theirs, thought that maybe it was how i was managing bleeds.

So, in terms of SD, you shouldnt attempt to play around it, and just play as normal and take the dam when it comes lol

[earnest remnant]

yep

[potent stone]

appreciate the help!

[silk bane]

np

[silk bane]

gl playin sin in keys next xpac on thorn week https://fixupx.com/xerwo/status/1802324694650986891?s=19

kekw

[next dust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[oblique wasp]

guys - how much of a banger is Accelerating Sandglass on hero track?

[balmy condor]

if 10 is a banger bis always play and 0 is a green questing trinket at ilvl 300

might be like a 4 or 5

[oblique wasp]

oka

[slate crown]

And assuming you didn't already spend all your bullions, the 10 banger bis options are purchasable from bullions

[oblique wasp]

thanks

yeah I have grieftorch but I was wonderin

[nimble zinc]

Idk my sudden demise is usually between 1-2 Mil. Avg is like 1.3-1.4 mil. Best I’ve had so far was 2.7 mil

Maybe I play different than you guys? But sudden demise is like my favorite talent ever.

[nimble zinc]

Sandglass was only stonk last season. There’s way better trinkets in the pool now that they combined all 3 seasons of loot.

[pseudo hamlet]

Is Echo of Neltharion in Awakened season like totally nerfed? Only needed like 11 pull on it and we killed it in the single night without much preparations

[tawny steppe]

is there any situation wher we prio CT over rupture spread during set up window b4 burst, like in AA tree boss room

[clever sapphire]

demise does big dmg the lower the key, in higher keys its more about just having more dmg in your bleeds and less about the execute part

[clever sapphire]

yap, its a joke

you needed weakauras for every phase in S2

now you can just yolo it all

p3 he casts for feckin 10-12 seconds or so

if you die there its all on you

[nimble zinc]

this part makes me LOL

when all the dps run for cover and im like GUYS WE HAVE LIKE 12 MORE SECONDS

[clever sapphire]

that was legit me week 2 when it was awakened aberrus for the first ime

and im there "wtf i had to feckin pre move in S2, now i have 12 years to find a spot"

[balmy condor]

s2 nelth was a special time

[clever sapphire]

i remember people needing to study the minimap boss for p3 alone

[balmy condor]

pre-spreading with hearts

[nimble zinc]

yup

[balmy condor]

what a time

[nimble zinc]

back in my day

[clever sapphire]

having a WA assign your spot for hearts

"oh you missed a wall break, gg go next pull"

[balmy condor]

yeh but then there's 3 different WA versions

so two people get #3

[clever sapphire]

i remember the first time you got there it was almost only getting the WA to work

and after that every time the first half an hour

was all about the WA not workin

[balmy condor]

dude we spent the first 2 days of prog just fighting the wa boss

I think we did 10 pulls the first night

3 hour raid

just sitting there troubleshooting weakauras

[clever sapphire]

you got 10 proper pulls in? must have been a banger guild

[balmy condor]

what can I say, we're efficient

[spice surge]

Fyrakk too

Youre like "hell ye we managed to get through phase 1 wooo"

[balmy condor]

nah we figured out the tech for fyrakk weakauras

[spice surge]

Then you realize you gotta progress the weakaura

[balmy condor]

make entire guild delete all raid tracking weakauras

make one guild weakaura pack

and have everyone download the pack

no more mismatched weakauras

then we just had to fight the brain mechanic for intermission

[clever sapphire]

i remember our guild couldnt decide between northern sky and liquid wa. For igira we had to download a different WA every weak for spear assignements

(ye we arent the sharpest)

[nimble zinc]

what's your guild like? is it all the other theorycrafters for every other class spec?

[balmy condor]

not really

our tanks are tc's

we have a wowhead writer, me

[nimble zinc]

i somehow just picture you guys as like a council of elders for wowhead

[balmy condor]

mage content creator

[slate crown]

Remember the flash game someone made to practice being a ghost for gorefiend? I remember us all progressing that

[balmy condor]

but that's kinda it

[clever sapphire]

damn you just called whispyr old

[balmy condor]

OE used to be the theorycrafter retirement guild

[nimble zinc]

what happened?

[nimble zinc]

not elders in the age sense, elders in the spiritual guidance sense, lol.

[balmy condor]

they moved off of tichondrius and had some people quit and roster issues and stuff and we took a raider or two

they're still going strong

but the pool diluted a bit

[nimble zinc]

you don't say

[balmy condor]

OE was a powerhouse though

koji raids with them

raided I guess, he doesn't play

but he's still part of the guild

they also have babs, the windwalker writer

and their guild lead is a warcraftlogs guy

[nimble zinc]

fancy

[balmy condor]

during raid testing we all come together it's quite fun

like fridays test was me and wordup and an ele content creator whose name I forgot

cross-region beta testing always makes for funny stuff

it's the only time I get to play with any of the EU writers

we had theun and june for amirdrassil testing, two of the healer tc's

[nimble zinc]

sounds like a fun time

[balmy condor]

it is

[shy pecan]

I wonder if more RL devs play in OE

[dapper zodiac]

what is the optimal haste for assa rogue guys? the minimum to have

should 3300 be fine?

[spice surge]

There are no optimal/minimum/maximum of any stats for assa

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[dapper zodiac]

lol

[dark token]

U need minimum 0 haste

[storm forum]

Minimum haste is 1 more than your vers

[spice spire]

You changed

[nimble zinc]

I think I’m like 24% haste and it’s fine.

Your sims will tell you. All stats are good for assa rogue. Item level trumps all.

[storm forum]

All I do it change

I'm like a chameleon

Or a changeling

Or a block of fluorine

[solar tangle]

do i have to cast kingsbane, shadowdance or deathmark at the certain level of combopoints?

or just send it

[glass hemlock]

Send it, you want garrote, rupture and a 5 point envenom up. Then it’s DM, shiv, dance, ashes trinket, KB

[solar tangle]

its just a opener thing with 5 point envenom .. because in the guide is mentioned we finish at 4+ ?

[balmy condor]

The guide should also say 5cp before deathmark

In the opener

You repeat the opener every 2 min

[solar tangle]

roger 🙂

[glass hemlock]

The point of vanish with 3 seconds remaining on KB is to reapply improved garrote?

Also Whispyr everyone tells you but thanks heaps for the guides and YouTube videos. I started assa rogue 2 and a bit weeks ago and I’m doing 250k overall in low keys thanks to you!

[spice surge]

No, its for master assassin mainly

But it also allows you to reapply stealth garrotes ye

[glass hemlock]

Ahh yep that was my other thought, thank you

[glass hemlock]

What rogue weak auras do you all use? Like Luxthos etc?

I know Whispyr has their own one

Also, do you guys know what this key info is?

With the timer etc?

[gusty mirage]

you needed a weakaura for p2?

[gusty mirage]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/warpdeplete

[glass hemlock]

Thank you!

[gusty mirage]

tells you how much % the pull you're currently fighting is too

it's pretty neat

[glass hemlock]

Yeah that’s very cool

[grave osprey]

Should crimson tempest be used during kingsbane in AoE ?

[nimble zinc]

I typically put CT up before KB

I put garrote and rupture on multi target, crimson tempest then shiv, shadow dance, KB rotation to get big juicy caustic splatter damage. Then vanish and reapply bleeds. (If the packs are still alive)

[ebon steppe]

Garrote garrote rupture rupture ct envenom then cooldowns
Try ur best not to use ct during cooldowns, an envenom in aoe senario will do 3-4M dmg

But if ct has ended keep ct up is important tho

So after vanish garrote garrote ct

Ct is basically rupture in aoe only without scent of blood

[gusty mirage]

minus that whole energy thing

sure

[grave osprey]

Would it be beneficial to take CT in lower keys? Its a pretty long opener

[gusty mirage]

that's a judgment call on your end, typically sudden demise with just garrote + rupture kinda deletes everything with how quick stuff dies anyway

[grave osprey]

What alternative would you suggest in terms of talent?

im exceptionally new to the spec so it would help to have less abilities to juggle around until i get more comfortable with the gameplay loop

[gusty mirage]

what build are you currently playing with atm

[gusty mirage]

yeah that was going to be another selling point for me, the less plates to spin the easier it'll be for you to get comfortable with the core of the spec. Because it's a lot of shit going on in aoe and it can be really overwhelming even for people who've been playing for a while

[grave osprey]

Arterial shock

[gusty mirage]

you can toss it in improved poisons or fatal concoctions instead

[grave osprey]

😎👍🏽

[gusty mirage]

that way you completely take a plate out of the equation until you're more comfortable with everything

[grave osprey]

Sweet, thanks!

[ebon steppe]

Yeah forgot to mention that

With scent of blood we will keep at least 5 ruptures running and 1-3 without it cuz spatter

[ebon steppe]

Yes with sudden demise imo
But in lower keys maybe you couldn't even finish kb so
Garrote rupture mut then go in cooldowns straightly

If you don't have ct

And the first spell u use after kb is envenom

93% uptime during kb

[clever sapphire]

Well you still used the hearts wa in p2

So in a way ye

[slate crown]

I never used the hearts wa in p2

(I also never pulled mythic nelth in p2 )

[clever sapphire]

what a coincidence

[earnest remnant]

i didn't use the map wa either, and i pulled it on mythic a fair few times

[gusty mirage]

That’s because melee went to the same spot every time

[earnest remnant]

iknow

[vestal wren]

benefits of playing a melee ^^

[clever sapphire]

i dunno what wa you guys played with, but we played with one that assigned the people seemingly random so i always had a different spot

[solar tangle]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[gusty mirage]

Well that’s just silly and your guild wasn’t very good at reading the instructions on the weakaura

Melee always took the closest corner, always. Because the ability always picked 1 melee (assuming there was enough melee) and the rest ranged/healers

[solar tangle]

what does this mean in practice: Outside of cooldowns, If Envenom is not up, hold off on using your energy for a couple seconds to reset yourself and start a new Envenom chain /// so just wait 2-3 secs in an boss fight ? 😄

[spice surge]

yes

You wont have enough energy to fill every global either way, so you want to place the dead globals in ideal places

[solar tangle]

i dont understand the chain thing, tbh... maybe a language barrier or im dumb xD : in a no cd phase, i press envenom, only if it runs out (1 sec remaining?) .. and this is the chain?

[sharp trellis]

Hi ppl, getting back with assa , still having my stuff from S3 . i currently having 8 gold bullions on bag . aiming to do m+ content, potentially mid to high tier . i dont do raid mythic. what would be your recommendation on spending ? i am thinking of the following : Ashes + Dreamcarver + Seal of fialial duty + Whispering Incarnate Icon . But i am struggling with getting another second hand as ilvl 528 can only be gotten in weakly vault or the combo Manic Grieftorch + Seal of Diurna's Chosen

i think Ashes + main hand are mandatory here nah ?

[spice surge]

Icon isnt great, just get grieftorch

[solar tangle]

!pooling