assassination

[spice spire]

Nah I legit don’t let little annoyances try me. I acknowledge them and move forward in life. It’s too short to compare urself (luck etc) to others

[balmy condor]

You can log review my beta logs and trace down bugs how bout that

[spice spire]

Honestly ok

[marble hemlock]

does it curve to the left or right?

[spice spire]

Left

[grim jay]

Yeah and on that note that you could just get noticeably better gear based on luck. If it wouldnt change the max ilvl, but just give you a small boost like what you suggested with the upgrade ranks, people would be happy if it happens and the others wouldnt be mad at all ig

[balmy condor]

So Strat is to spin on it until there’s a groove massaged in like an o-ring on a pipe

[spice spire]

I’m winning arguments every time tho. This is literally what I’m doing while arguing . Even if I lose there I still got the bag (petting George)

[grim jay]

Im the same tbf, but I wouldnt say it couldnt add up to a point where you could notice the disappointment

[sonic schooner]

Petting George

[grim jay]

If its just a thousand things you dont mind as a small singular occurence

It might mildly get to you at that point

[royal lantern]

suprise george pic

[grim jay]

Are we brothers?

[spice spire]

Only if they lock in

[maiden rover]

Hand pic let’s go

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

I mean

No kink shaming

And atleast no feet lover

[royal lantern]

thats my kink

bruh

feet is the most vanilla shit in this world

[grim jay]

But its disgusting awkward

[royal lantern]

and nerds still act as if thats some weird and Special thing

watch out until you find out about hand holding

[grim jay]

Isnt that

Like

Normal

And always was

Or are we talking about smth different

[spice spire]

Before marriage?

I’m gonna be sick

[maiden rover]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-that-escalated-quickly-ron-burgundy-will-ferrell-meme-gif-17035028

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-sanitizing-richard-williams-prince-ea-protection-sanitizer-gif-17550997

[grim jay]

And please dont tell me you compared holding hands and sucking toes

[grim jay]

Looks like the beginning of a massage while corona

[spice spire]

I’ll never hold hands before marriage (it’s a sin) sucking toes is sin free buddy

[spice surge]

Catholics hate this simple trick!

[vestal wren]

always be careful, take safety precautions before holding hands.

[grim jay]

Jokes on you

[spice spire]

Jesus washed people’s feet, I’m just doing the same with my tongue smh

Checkmate buddy

[grim jay]

But the people and Jesus had each other closely in their hearts, deep enough to equal a connection in marriage

Take the L

[spice spire]

He was deep in their hearts and I’m deep in between the piggies. It’s literally the same picture

[maiden rover]

Go on get rhythm when you get the blues it only cost a quarter just a nickel a toe my tongue does a million dollars worth of good for you…..or whatever Johnny cash said.

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/man-blushing-smiling-black-man-gif-12577926127425382641

[spice spire]

Zamn

[grim jay]

Kinda impressed

Most people go like "whos that?"

[maiden rover]

I just googled zamn lol. I don’t get it

[grim jay]

Its just damn

Someone turned it into zamn on a thumbnail

[gusty mirage]

???????????

[spice spire]

????

[grim jay]

?

[pliant remnant]

.

[maiden rover]

¿

[ashen oriole]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[rigid haven]

People who play without Indiscriminate Carnage scare me

[hexed frost]

Bleedmaxxing fr

[ashen oriole]

you mean mplus right?

[rigid haven]

ye im new to sin my Dps without it is Dogwater

[ashen oriole]

ye in mplus 100% you play with it

[lean portal]

no one plays without ic in m+ ye

[hexed frost]

Wait, is that even possible?

[gusty mirage]

define possible

[boreal cloud]

Dpspilled

[ruby birch]

its probably not as bad as you think honestly

here's typically what my damage breakdown looks like

caustic and tier do a LOT of damage

[silver crag]

Caustic with DtB

[cinder grove]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[clever sapphire]

okay now imagine you dont have ic, take away like i dunno, 60M garrote and 40M rupture dmg?

also you would feel a lot more energy starved in aoe

it would hurt

[wraith spindle]

Hey guys! which build for m+ is the one without Crimson?

i am new here lol

[pure moth]

Why would you not want it? Especially in mplus

[wraith spindle]

well i guess which build gives me the most overall in m+?

[pure moth]

Arterial

[silver crag]

The most overall is an Arterial Shock build

[wraith spindle]

okay, do you guys have any recommended Weakauras to help me track all the bleeds?

[silver crag]

But it lacks better priority damage, which you might want, especially in a Tyrannical week

[pure moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[wraith spindle]

tyvm

[pure moth]

You're welcome

[wraith spindle]

also, im not spamming fok anymore in aoe? i havent played assass since bfa. it looks like rogues are pressing mutilate instead and Fok'ing once to spread poison?

[spice surge]

Youre still using fok to generate combo points in aoe

No idea where youre looking to get the info that were not

[wraith spindle]

how often am i suppose to mutilate in aoe?

[gusty mirage]

every ~8ish? seconds to keep up caustic

[wraith spindle]

okay awesome, ty

[gusty mirage]

[ruby birch]

Haha I’m not saying it’s ideal

I’m just saying it wouldn’t be as bad as some people think

Def not recommending it

[gusty mirage]

ye its def not as bad as people think it is

and if you enjoy manually spreading bleeds

its a free point into something else

[runic hinge]

What's the weird build that dslice sims the highest?

dtb no amp

[clever sapphire]

fuus sheet has it

[ruby birch]

fuu's sheet has a kb dtb ic one with no ap

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

I think it's something like that

[clever sapphire]

dtb without ap

i mean without amp poison

[ruby birch]

is it normal for consumable sim to prefer haste/crit or mastery/crit food over main stat

[clever sapphire]

dafuq you cookin

[runic hinge]

sims real high

[spice surge]

Ye thats been the case since s3

[ruby birch]

last time i simmed was s2

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[waxen oyster]

worst punishment

[gusty mirage]

He might get lucky and get fish and chips or chicken tiki masala

[runic hinge]

It's basically cleave except you're dropping fatal concoction and amp poison for FD and CT

[gusty mirage]

But it’s mostly beans and toast

[runic hinge]

I like beans so

[gusty mirage]

You ain’t ever have beans like this bud

[runic hinge]

cleave kinda cooks in ST tho

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-mods-mods-ltg-low-tier-god-balls-gif-9235380773469451040

[runic hinge]

damn my gear is bad

[gusty mirage]

????

[golden ravine]

I didn't know mods had that power.

[junior aurora]

everyone had to send a pic in when joining the server, you must not remember

[spice spire]

Do not test their power

[royal lantern]

oh, so we now openly admit and recommend mental torture of the highest degree??

[spice surge]

GDPR prevents us from keeping this personal information when we are not using it, so therefore we must continously use it

[junior aurora]

im honored

[gusty mirage]

I'm still using yours dw

[junior aurora]

you can ask politely and i can send a more tasteful one

with a scratch n sniff too

[spice spire]

Only if the sniff is while they’re sweaty

[junior aurora]

irrelevant, its always sweaty

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sniffing-dog-sniffing-what-da-dog-doin-gif-23282557

[junior aurora]

ill get u the full omelette du fromage

[gusty mirage]

look at that mfer assuming everyone can afford to crank their AC to 70 degrees

[spice surge]

Bold of you to assume i can even afford an AC

[junior aurora]

i can afford it i just like to stay humble

[gusty mirage]

our living spaces come with central air for the most part sir

just because it's there doesn't mean its on

smh my head

[junior aurora]

some parts of the country its illegal to turn off

[royal lantern]

im european, whats a AC

[gusty mirage]

sorry I live in a state where it was 85 degrees (29 for you non ice water drinkers) and now it's 50 degrees (11)

85 yesteryda*

sorry

[gusty mirage]

ass clappius, the final boss of when I come to visit

[royal lantern]

[peak quarry]

~Wtf, I switched to assassination and suddenly every world mob just dies in an instant :D

[royal lantern]

sudden demise against enemys that are balanced around players that are almost 200 ilvl lower is kinda fast, yeha

[gusty mirage]

I know that was a typo, but I imagined you said yeehaw

and I like that better

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/fitbymartise-cowboy-dance-gif-23941878

[young flint]

new to WOW and to rogue. practicing on a dummy at level 70. why is it that when i go invis and i open with garrote. am still in invis for like 2-3 secs more? i cant do my opener of garrote/ambush/rupture

[royal lantern]

read what subterfuge/improve garrote do

just make your normal skillbar and stealth bar a copy of eachother

[young flint]

i did

[royal lantern]

then you should have no problem?

[shy pecan]

Imagine having AC…

[junior aurora]

cant u just go outside and cool down in the rain

[shy pecan]

Not when it’s 100+ outside

[royal lantern]

i have floodings

[junior aurora]

you also been looking at my pics?

[gusty mirage]

imagine having AC and not turning it on because the government allowed monopoly was allowed to charge double their regular rates during "peak hours" in the summer

after raising their rates 4 consecutive years in a row

[shy pecan]

[young flint]

@royal lantern ahhh got it! ty ty

[royal lantern]

we have gigantic floodings in south germany rn

its very fun

[gusty mirage]

we've had 4 tornados this year

when we usually have 1 every 5 years

climate change is fake dw about it

the US government told me

and they'd never lie

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

hey, our literally Nazi rightwing group says the same

coincidence?

[gusty mirage]

I thought that was illegal in germany

[royal lantern]

🙂

[junior aurora]

plenty of things are illegal oxi and still get done

[royal lantern]

they just say things like "the holocaust didnt happen" or "they where not THAT bad during ww2"

[junior aurora]

same things ours say lol

[crimson zephyr]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=421975/caustic-spatter does this have a cd?

[spice surge]

No

[crimson zephyr]

ah no I made a mistake

what's the green stuff on the floor?

which spell?

[spice surge]

Poison bomb

[crimson zephyr]

thanks

[solar goblet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tawdry meteor]

I do not see an opener listed in the icyveins assa guide, am i being blind or is there just not one

[marble hemlock]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities#opening-sequence

You can use your trinket together with DM nowadays, makes no difference relaly.

[tawdry meteor]

ty, not used to it being at the very bottom lol mb

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, I should probably change that

[regal bluff]

I’m spamming 2+ while at 509 and I find having 2x Poison Bomb better than Arterial Precision and 2 points in Zoldych Recipe (have only 1 point). I’m using the Arterial build from Wowhead just switching these 2 talents.
I’m new to the class/spec, but people tend to do 2+ for crest farming which leads to high amount of mobs, after you spread your bleed you can max combo really fast and increase the odds of applying Poison Bomb, which doesn’t have a target Cap.

What ur thoughts on this?

[balmy condor]

Probably fine cause it’s a +2 and what’s good in the moment will rapidly change but sounds pretty cringe otherwise

[shy pecan]

I never thought about this, but when they're calculating the bleed damage for Demise's execute, how does it incorporate Zoldyck and AP? So if there's 10000 in the next X seconds, target's at below 35% and you hit Shiv on the target, that'd just mean 10000 + the bonus from AP and Zoldyck then?

[spice surge]

It just calculates it based on the damage the dots does right now, so if shiv is up it does more, and if its below 35% it does more

And bone spike counts as 30 seconds

[shy pecan]

Okay, I think I understand

[balmy condor]

(It has to be under 35 for sudden demise to begin with which makes zold much easier)

[shy pecan]

Yeah, makes sense

[spice surge]

You are a wise frog

[shy pecan]

No, that's Shmeeps

[spice surge]

Isnt shmeeps a duck

[shy pecan]

@spice spire Shmeeps is a frog, right?

[balmy condor]

But yeh it calcs arterial in the time it’s up

So if arterial has 0.1 seconds remaining, doesn’t matter

It’s buffing the bleed

And the check passed

Kaboom

[shy pecan]

Yeah

Just not something I had thought, but now I'm aware

[nimble zinc]

sudden demise is probably like, my fav talent ever.

[spice spire]

Yea

[shy pecan]

Confirmed them, Shmeeps is a frog

[cerulean maple]

I definitely agree, but it would be nice to test rotation ideas (eg. working ct in earlier in the rotation on different pull sizes / hp pools, stuff like that). Yk like TAS style stuff

since crit is a stat doing it manually is kind of annoying since you have to do like at least 5-10 runs of the same opener to have even just a rough average, and it's harder to be perfectly consistent with your fingers than it is to write it down.

shouldnt you do a third gar after ct unless the pull is small

so
garrrote, garrote, CT, garrote, FoK, rupt, FoK, Rupt
then prepare for burst window
Mut, FoK, Env
(insert kb burst window)
opener done

what do u guys do priority wise after opening if a pack takes more than, idk, 30-60 seconds

just prio target and let caustic do damage, spread garrote and rupt on vanish/shadow dance use?

bc i would imagine trying to keep rupt on multiple targets would be an overall dps loss over just homing in on a prio target and letting caustic do dmg

or is it worth using garrote off cd on other targets

[spiral mist]

in brh would you play sudden demise for last boss?

[boreal cloud]

No

But I dont do high keys

[spiral mist]

idk feel like
i do 0 totem damage unless i get to cd boss and spatter spalshes

[balmy condor]

That’s how assa works yes

[spiral mist]

with demise i can atleast do some 😦

[boreal cloud]

Youll probably do even less

[dull cloak]

do you not switch off anyways

[boreal cloud]

Because if you time CDs right and boss is bear totems, thats big dam

[balmy condor]

Sudden demise might help

[hearty radish]

just grief torch it and die for brez, duh

[balmy condor]

But it’s still gonna suck

[spice spire]

[hexed elbow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[regal bluff]

But only apply to 4 targets, dudes are pulling 10 mobs

[shy pecan]

I'll you

[shy pecan]

(1) I think it's five if you have AP and (2) it's making your bleeds hit harder regardless on whatever shiv applies to, so kinda free damage beyond just your prio target

and nature damage too

[sudden hound]

Your options for totem damage are having kb up for spatter, grieftorch, and pooling energy for an envenom chain. If your group is really struggling with totem damage you can send one shiv charge with your envenom chain and only have one shiv late during kb.

[cerulean maple]

any answer to this chain of questions? sorry if it's already written somewhere, can't find anything

[sudden hound]

There's no one size fits all answer for that question. GenericallyIspeakung yes you should have all bleeds on as many targets you can outside of kb windows

That being said sometimes it makes sense to prio an important target so long as you have enough bleeds out to be energy saturated

[normal mist]

That was a quite good TLDR version

[balmy condor]

this third garrote is super pointless most of the time and just slows things down. Not having it empowered makes it real cringe, so you would want to gar gar gar CT instead if the pull is bigger

rest is fine, but the whole prepare for burst window part is too slow practically, so most people just skip it

[balmy condor]

yes, but you have to rupture for energy and scent stacks if you're using scent. Without scent it's fine to spread garrotes by hand if you're desperate for energy but should be avoided cause it's really gcd inefficient

[next quarry]

Hi guys. I read earlier it was reccomended to ashes a few secs into kingsbane but now its changed to on kingsbane cast or what?

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

[balmy condor]

it was recommended to ashes a few seconds into kingsbane for the first month or so of season 3

once kingsbane got nerfed that optimization wasn't there anymore

so macroing it to kingsbane was just easier

[next quarry]

okay thanks

[spiral mist]

to kingsbane instead of dm?

[balmy condor]

yes

some people macro it to dm for m+ to avoid desyncing

[spiral mist]

man now i need to find a way to macro that xD

[balmy condor]

wdym

it's just /use 13 or /use 14 whichever slot

[spice surge]

or /use Ashes of the embersoul if you for some reason swap around what slot its in often

[spiral mist]

ye but for m+ and raid

[balmy condor]

have 2 macros

or don't share bars between loadouts

[dark token]

I just hit the ashes button by itself

Not too many globals compared to sub or outlaw

Even in raid sometimes I do like dm +kb, KB KB, dm +kb

If you have it macro to KB you will fuck your last dm usage

[rocky sluice]

hey guys what % uptime of the blue silken linen do you guys use in your raidbot sims

[balmy condor]

whatever the default is

[rigid haven]

When do we run Arterial Precision, some places say take it and others dont

is it a dungeon by dungeon kinda thing?

[normal mist]

Where does it say "don't take" it?

and vice versa

[rigid haven]

Wowhead M+ build says take it Icy dosnt say to take it

[normal mist]

I would probably just use wowhead for it

[rigid haven]

Wowhead superiority?

[normal mist]

Unless Whispyr wants to explain why his wowhead build says take it VS icy veins "don't take it" 😛

[rigid haven]

I need to find the Icy Veins author and start a war

[balmy condor]

would assume probably looking at a different build

[rigid haven]

Brain malfunction is a possibility

[balmy condor]

wouldn't really start a war as much as it would just make me tell seli to fix it

:P

[rigid haven]

Wait are all the guide people here??

[balmy condor]

link me the page

yes

[normal mist]

yeah xD

[rigid haven]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents?area=area_2

[balmy condor]

ravenholdt has the guide writers for wowhead, method, and icyveins

for all 3 specs

[rigid haven]

I didnt even know Method was a thing xD

[normal mist]

You just got here and you're already learning

[balmy condor]

I'm not seeing the issue

[normal mist]

the link you sent does have several builds

[rigid haven]

Learnings easy when ur head is empty with ample room for knowledge

[balmy condor]

the first build that popped up from that link was a right side m+ build

on wowhead I named that one hybrid

but it's all the same build

[balmy condor]

all the builds are there

[rigid haven]

Based on the face the cool wowhead person messaged me i have a bias imma copy the wowhead one

[balmy condor]

that works I guess

they're the same builds

[normal mist]

Another job well done

[rigid haven]

Oh I might need to see a brain doctor

[balmy condor]

he just named and ordered the builds differently

but they're all the same

[rigid haven]

that does clear that up thank you xD

[balmy condor]

np

[inner pelican]

Feral druid here how stinky is sin?

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635

👍 smells ok

[inner pelican]

Thank you very helpful!

will be my alt for the season

[slate crown]

I have fun with it, feels solid

[glass hemlock]

hey gang, what difficulty do you need to do Dawn of the Infinite on for the dagger?

i thought i read heroic somewhere but surely not

[slate crown]

Dawn has only 2 difficulties now. Mythic 0 (which awards champion gear) and Hard Mode (which awards hero gear)

The dagger drops on both difficulties

[glass hemlock]

ooh i see, thank you!

i assume we want to do hardmode then

[slate crown]

You can get it on either, it will be better from hard mode

But

If you are using the dagger it will be in your offhand because your mainhand can be a myth track

And offhand weapon contributes much, much less to your overall dps

Hard mode is better, but realistically normal mode is fine as well

[glass hemlock]

thank you, i appreciate the info

[slate crown]

I think I simmed the difference and hard mode was like a 0.3% dps gain, IIRC

[glass hemlock]

oh wow definitely not much

[slate crown]

That is a lot to some people

It's not to me, I CBA personally

[glass hemlock]

yeah i am not that try hard heh

[barren yarrow]

hey everyone! so i just realized through the video ep4.5 pooling that "chaining" isnt literally back to back we still have to mutilate to build the combo points to envenom again?

but we "chain" those as in just pressing mut then env

[slate crown]

Envenom gives you a buff that lasts longer per combo point. Chaining refers to casting your next envenom before that buff runs out. This is to proc the tier set

But you don't want ot cast it right away, you need to allow some time to pass so you aren't wasting uptime on it, and you will run out of energy quickly

You still have to build your combo points back up between envenom with mutilate, yes

[viral stump]

So, snagging Nick in Dawn of the Infinite... Run it in Mythic 0 and it drops form the second boss. How high of a level can you upgrade it? Is it just Champion?

[inner pelican]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQOfXmEulho
can I trust this source @balmy condor

[slate crown]

[slate crown]

If you ran it on Mythic 0 it'll be Champ track, which can go up to 515

[viral stump]

Right. I saw Whispyr say in Wowhead that it was the best offhand, and it looked like he was saying run that dungeon at Mythic 0. Just making sure I'm not missing something.

But on Wowhead, the dagger is at 528 ilvl (???)

[balmy condor]

hardmode can go to hero

it's bis at 515

but it's better at 528

just need to do first 2 hardmode

and pray

[viral stump]

Ahh, ok. So in hard mode it drops at the end or with the boss as usual in zeros. Never tried hard mode.

[slate crown]

I thought hero track only went to 522

Yeah the dagger is just good regardless of how you get it

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1233411543421681724/rl7mgpak53rc1.webp

[slate crown]

Yeah I think the highest you can get the dagger is 522

[balmy condor]

drops from second boss

it's the same as m0

[viral stump]

Thx

[inner pelican]

always at 6 or is there a baseline on when to spend?

[earnest remnant]

4+

[slate crown]

!guide trusted sources, but you finish at 4+ right now.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[inner pelican]

thank you

[earnest remnant]

its basically just the Envenom just before a Deathmark that needs to be 5+

other than that, its just 4+

[glass hemlock]

Since there are 2 common builds for us, being dragon-tempered blades or arterial. when do you decide which to run?

[slate crown]

For M+?

[glass hemlock]

yes

[slate crown]

If you're doing keys in the 15+ level range, dtb becomes more usasble and popular

Anything below that, arterial

[glass hemlock]

ahh i see okay

well i am certainly not running 15+ 🙂 hahaha

[runic hinge]

not yet!

[glass hemlock]

aye maybe one day, assa is certainly starting to be more then an alt to me hahaha

[kind turtle]

Does Envenoming before Kingsbane increase the initial hit of Kingsbane at all? at anyone

[glass hemlock]

based off the tooltip info, no

[slate crown]

No.

[west crown]

is Storm-Eater's Boon really that good in M+? Feels bad in lower keys

[kind turtle]

thanks

[runic hinge]

no but the reason you do it is because of the poison application chance

[kind turtle]

got it yeah, so it's already ramping when you press it

[earnest remnant]

the way i usually go about it is, do you need more AoE or do you need more prio/boss dmg

and if its more boss/prio dam go DTB

if you wanna pad AoE and do big overalls go Arterial

[glass hemlock]

assumably that still only applies to higher keys

[boreal cloud]

No

Applies to any key lvl

[high jetty]

No

[boreal cloud]

[high jetty]

You cannot play the cleave build in 4s

[boreal cloud]

You can

Youll still do more boss dmg

[high jetty]

Nothing will ever live your KB

[boreal cloud]

And if packs die before your KB is over you are 3 chesting keys anyways

[high jetty]

I mean I guess. But recommending some one play cleave in a 4 in a game that’s meant to be fun….

Save yourself the sorrow and play shock

[boreal cloud]

High overall = more fun

[high jetty]

Never seeing the last 4 ticks of KB = good times

Got it

You do you

[boreal cloud]

At that point just play outlaw or sub

[high jetty]

Have fun in your weekly 8s lol

[royal lantern]

no, but cleave is literally not a good Build unless you have shit that survives longer

like

it just isnt

stop making shit up

[high jetty]

Woah tyran

Don’t disagree with great and almightly shutnic

He’s spoken

[boreal cloud]

Dont be obnoxious

[high jetty]

Ironic

[boreal cloud]

Or do

[royal lantern]

saying "yeha it doesnt matter anyway" doesnt make you right

yes, it doesnt matter in the grand sheme, its still a really bad choice

[high jetty]

Obnoxious lol

You’re wrong. But you can think you’re right all you want lol

[boreal cloud]

I just don't see how

[high jetty]

Preferably you don’t give horrible advice to people learning to play the spec though

That’s fine. You don’t need to understand to accept

[boreal cloud]

Yes you will do more overall as arterial

[high jetty]

Let him cook

[royal lantern]

sudden demise kills enemys that have low hp

low key enemys have low hp

[boreal cloud]

But I feel like in most comps its just better to have more ST

[high jetty]

Comps?

In a 4

[royal lantern]

cleave is for keys where stuff doesnt die in seconds because you ONLY aoe dmg is kb cleaving

[boreal cloud]

And IC garrote/ruptures

[slate crown]

Hi again. I exclusively play shock in keys and I only do 8-10s and I have lots of fun with it and perform well. I've tried Cleave with DTB and did not enjoy it. Shock is what I'd recommend if you're sticking to those levels or below and vibing

[high jetty]

Which don’t do much with out bleed talents lol

[royal lantern]

so you do +4 keys where you dont play a build that kills small adds better because "its padding for overall and that doesnt matter" and at the same time come with "i need more ST dmg"

in a +4 keys

allright

[high jetty]

He’s not actually interested in thinking about it

He’s made up his mind

He’s right, we’re wrong

[glass hemlock]

ahh

[boreal cloud]

I don't do +4 keys, but yeah, I think ST is more important in keys, especially tyran

[high jetty]

Just play cleave and don’t ever press KB or DM not on a boss

[boreal cloud]

Because whats gonna wipe you is bosses

[glass hemlock]

this took a turn

[royal lantern]

its a fucking +4 key

+4

four

[high jetty]

L O L

[royal lantern]

the boss is dead in 30seconds regardless

[slate crown]

Shock is also more forgiving, and is good at onboarding to someone new and fresh to the spec. You don't have to turbo slam to the max level build, I promise it does not accelerate your learning.

[high jetty]

May as well get some SD value when it explodes

[glass hemlock]

i... haven't even done a 4 on my rogue yet, i main resto druid and am hovering around 8 LOL

[royal lantern]

what the fuck are you minmaxing boss dmg in a fucking +4 key when people dont do that until they run +16

like, srsly

[slate crown]

It's all good, welcome to Ravenholdt.

[glass hemlock]

hahahahah

not much different to the druid disc erally

[high jetty]

Discord as a whole lol

[glass hemlock]

😄

[high jetty]

Always people giving shit advice and others being mad about it. Normal stuff

[royal lantern]

yeha sorry man, im just getting annoyed at the weird takes that spew up in the last few weeks

[boreal cloud]

If it doesn't matter anyways if its a 4 I don't understand why youre so riled up then

[high jetty]

Outlaw players playing SIN

[high jetty]

Because if that’s challenging content for them

You sent them into that 4

With dog shit advice

[boreal cloud]

You could also just not run iron wire

Its just a 4 so take an extra damage talent

[high jetty]

Which a lot of us don’t in high keys

Doesn’t mean I recommend it for him, or for you

My co-ordinated group is different than your 10s and a new guys 4s

It’s almost like different situations require different reactions

Not “cleave always hur dur”

[glass hemlock]

i think i will stick to the arterial build 🙂

[high jetty]

Perfect

Shock is lots of fun

If you end up in some mid range keys, give the hybrid build a try

Still has some prio, but lots of bleed dam as well. It’s good fun

[glass hemlock]

i just watched whispyrs video for st rotation about 11 times and got to nearly 500k dps on a dummy, just trying to get some muscle memory. will try it in some keys tonight with my buddies

[boreal cloud]

Bro essaying hard rn

[high jetty]

And the cleave build is also very fun, just not great in lower keys. We are lucky to have so many builds to play

[high jetty]

Gottem

You showed me

[glass hemlock]

genuinely appreciate the info

[high jetty]

Maybe you can take over the guide writing

[glass hemlock]

I assume we use grieftorch outside of dance kb?

While waiting for them to come back up

[high jetty]

Yessir

[glass hemlock]

Sweet!

[hexed frost]

Just play whatever build feels better for you

Remember, the real endgame is feels, not flashy numbers on screen

[earnest remnant]

i go afk for like 30min and you guys couldnt behave

[hexed frost]

It's just a friendly chit chat between frens

[earnest remnant]

"i just hit you with this baseball bat across your face, but it was just a friendly smack between friends"

that convo was about as friendly as you trying to belly rub a black cat

NO BUENO

[hexed frost]

It's a foam stuff bb bat

[slate crown]

Well the flashiness is also the endgame, just not the numbers themselves

[earnest remnant]

more like a metal bat

makes a nice sound

[regal sable]

AYO NONE OF THIS

banned

do not the cat

[hexed frost]

Talking about endgame, how much % overall does KB ideally contribute in a 10-12 key?

[earnest remnant]

dunno about %

but mine usually does like 33-38mil

[high jetty]

Depends on the build too

[hexed frost]

Cleave build no CT

[high jetty]

This is my breakdown from a 17 tonight

With the cleave build

[hexed frost]

That's a 8.3%

My usually floats around 7.3%

[high jetty]

Really depends on key too

Like that’s a RLP

Very good targets there o

Every KB lives duration

[hexed frost]

Yeah I'm doing 8-10 keys, sometimes I beainfart and kb a mob who doesn't live through the full duration

[high jetty]

Yeah. It’s tough to play that build in tyran 8-10s for sure

[hexed frost]

But not having to use another button for CT is nice though. I hate CT, too much button bloat.

[high jetty]

I’m not a huge fan of it either tbh

But it does do a lot of damage

In the AA from tonight it was 9.6% that was hybrid build though

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-wiggle-cat-wiggle-cat-black-gif-25712759

[regal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/raiken-cat-hang-die-bitya-gif-26309780

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-not-do-not-cat-dangerous-individual-man-dancing-while-cat-threatens-your-family-gif-26522356

Also hi @regal sable

[regal sable]

hi

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-wiggle-cat-wiggle-cat-black-gif-25712759

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-wiggle-cat-wiggle-cat-black-gif-25712759

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/343868542464032769/883632349915545630/weekend.gif

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jam-dance-kitty-jamming-gif-21579741

[hot olive]

how i can see tww discussions?

i can only see outlaw one

[slate crown]

#tww-assassination

Can you click on that?

[hot olive]

yes

thanks!

[slate crown]

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/qeliameow-cat-paw-cats-paw-dance-gif-3807241812430059413

[waxen oyster]

depends on key level moreso

[ebon river]

11+

[waxen oyster]

idk probably shock on 11s

nothing lives that low

[oak eagle]

Quick Q, when should I be using my SnD? Should I be applying both my bleeds before I use it? So they both get benefited from Master Assass?

[balmy condor]

in single target you go gar ambush rup to benefit from nightstalker, in m+ you use the garrotes from stealth first to benefit from imp gar, then slice and dice

generally the rule is snd should be the first, or very close to the first finisher you ever cast

it is the single strongest ability you will ever cast during combat

[oak eagle]

okay ty Whispyr, means I was doing it wrong the entire raid last night

[balmy condor]

np

[glacial relic]

I just did a no kingbane, no spatter, bone spike AV 11 key, it went better than what I expected

sudden demise 🫡

[subtle tundra]

can you show your dps on bosses

im curious

did you beat the tank?

[glacial relic]

I was first

xd

[subtle tundra]

ok then you played with people with no hands

sometimes that happens

[balmy condor]

bro decided to lose 20% of his damage

and still topped meters

kinda chad

[subtle tundra]

that sbs dmg 1.7% HUGE

[glacial relic]

the dream

[balmy condor]

wait it's sbs

okay

bro decided to lose 25% of his damage

[subtle tundra]

doomblade prob like .3% so 2 points for 2% dps

HUGE

im so glad we can choose this in our tree

[glacial relic]

yea I did choose the worst options out there

[subtle tundra]

blizz how the fuck is that a choice in our tree you dumb fucks

[glacial relic]

🥹

[balmy condor]

that ret paladins gotta be afk right

[subtle tundra]

thats a tree for sure

with branches

and leaves

[glacial relic]

412k overall still gg ez

[fallen arch]

I wanna play sbs too

Wait what

You don’t play kb

Actually trolling

[frosty bridge]

Idk man you should dropped DM imo

[fallen arch]

On a tyrannical week too

[frosty bridge]

Kind of redundant

[lean portal]

love the internal bleeding

instead of spatter

like yeah let me take the talent point but not deal dmg with it

[fallen arch]

Wdym just kindey everything

[safe pivot]

[spice surge]

I mean internal bleeding did 6% of his damage

Probably a bit of demise as well

[lean portal]

id rather have caustic no offense

[subtle tundra]

well caustic if you play kb

but he didnt play kb

🙂

[lean portal]

true

[cerulean maple]

alright thank u, this makes sense

[cerulean maple]

for some reason i was under the impression that you can fit 4 gcds into your stealth window since it says "when used from stealth and for 3 esc after breaking stealth", but that seems like 3 gcd including the one used from stealth

[balmy condor]

Correct

[cerulean maple]

as for this, does this mean that throughout longer pulls you manually spread rupture between non-prio targets?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cerulean maple]

should you be spending on rupt whenever you don't have to env to keep buff up?

or when

[balmy condor]

Whenever you need more energy or scent stacks

[glacial relic]

[cerulean maple]

So prio wise after opener (besides caustic splattering) it's keeping rupt on 5 targets, keeping env buff up, keeping ct up?

[balmy condor]

Ct #1, then depending on priority targets and how long things die, you either rupture for more energy or slam envenoms

CT is basically irrelevant to any decision making

If there’s 4 or more targets, Ct is up 100% or you’re a shitter

[cerulean maple]

[balmy condor]

End of decision making

Env/rup is the confusing one

Env with spatter especially is just objectively better

But if you aren’t able to maintain the energy

Then kinda pointless

So need to rupture for that

[cerulean maple]

[balmy condor]

And if you have scent, agility gud

So you need to rupture for that

And if you need to caustic, you need to rupture for that

Rupture is more like the gas you put in the engine to get it going

Envenom is the thing doing the actual work

[cerulean maple]

is there like a breakeven point where you have enough scent / rupt for energy and it's better to just spam env with spatter, or is that all just dependent on how you're doing on energy?

[royal lantern]

brb, rupturing my cars gas pumps for more energy in the engine

[cerulean maple]

JKGSJKGES

[balmy condor]

We call that point “saturation”

Where you’re able to fill every gcd

Without losing energy

Its dependent on a lot of things

Like haste, being talented into dashing scoundrel

How many garrotes you have out

But generally if you’re maxed on scent you’re already past saturation

Saturation will usually end up being about 6-ish bleeds ball park

Plus or minus 1 or 1.5 depending on all the other shit that impacts your energy

So if you gar gar gar on a big pull

That’s technically good enough already

You can just put up rupture for caustic and go ham

Which is what you would do without scent for example

Just send a rupture for caustic and go

[cerulean maple]

so your bleeds really are mainly for feeding scent, feeding your energy bar, and allowig you to go batshit crazy spamming envenoms

improved garrote obv deals a lot of dmg but

conceptually speaking

[balmy condor]

Garrotes from stealth are for damage, but outside of that yes

[cerulean maple]

so

[balmy condor]

A lot of that is cause of the tier though

Without the tier bleeds are pretty strong

[cerulean maple]

personally i usually hold vanish to keep spreading garrotes from stealth, instead of using it during kb window. Is this like objectively bad? is the extra damage you get in kb window worth for the burst?

[balmy condor]

But the current 4pc does more than the actual envenom does over the course of an m+

So that shit is actual bananas

Makes envenom really strong

[cerulean maple]

oh i just got my 4pc done so cant wait to try it out lmfao

[balmy condor]

No that’s fine

[cerulean maple]

id imagine holding or using vanish for kb depends on how hard you want a prio target to die?

[balmy condor]

Using vanish for aoe is way better than using it to min max the end of kb

[cerulean maple]

okok

alright im gonna get some gaming in but as a last question, gar gar ct or gar gar gar on big pulls? i'd imagine the extra gcd to get more stealth garrotes out is worth it usually?

[balmy condor]

Realistically if there’s something that important, it would get dm+kb and if it’s not dead after that and the entire group pounding it, you probably don’t deserve to time the key anyway

[cerulean maple]

LMFAO okay fair point

[balmy condor]

99% of the time your issue is things dying before the kingsbane finishes

Not the other way around :P

[cerulean maple]

speaking of ashes and dm/kb, do you guys macro anything together?

i usually just have shadow dance and kb

[balmy condor]

Usually more stealth gar better yes

[lean portal]

vanish to silence a pack with iron wire is good use

or vanish to not get fcked by a link

[balmy condor]

Dance+kb and dm+potion are my two main macros

I have ashes macro’d to the dance one as well

[cerulean maple]

smart

[balmy condor]

Some people for m+ prefer putting it into the dm macro

[cerulean maple]

i need to get potions lmfsgjk im such a skrub

[balmy condor]

Which is theoretically slightly worse

[lean portal]

i have dm - pot - pi whisp and kb - dance as well

[balmy condor]

I don’t really think it’s a difference worth mentioning

But I got uhm acktyallluly’d on this like last week

So now I gotta give the disclaimer I guess that it’s 0.25% worse or whatever

But if it’s macro’d to dm, you know for sure it’s not gonna desync

So that’s a plus sometimes

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck?

this is why the priest doesnt pi me

[balmy condor]

No, the priest doesn’t pi you cause you’re washed

[subtle tundra]

havent showered

im stinker

[spice spire]

[cerulean maple]

I don't think this is rogue specific but does any1 have a good plater setup for assa? I'm having so much trouble with visual clarity esp with all the target switching involved

[fallen arch]

Just play Night Elf for that juicy extra restealth during a long pack

[cerulean maple]

that still works??

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[royal lantern]

its a meme

meld is unreliable as hell and doesnt work on boss Fights

[fallen arch]

It’s inconsistent

It sometimes works about 50% of the time

But if it works it’s really helpful

For getting out extra bleeds

[royal lantern]

and worst of all

you play an elf

[cerulean maple]

hey!!

[fallen arch]

Bru

[royal lantern]

might aswell just end it all right there

[fallen arch]

How is that bad

[cerulean maple]

night elves and void elves all the way

[fallen arch]

Night elves have the best mog models of the game

[royal lantern]

you want a glass water with your white toast?

[cerulean maple]

i wish we got more interesting races tho like idk nagas or tuskarr or smth

[royal lantern]

[cerulean maple]

yes please

idk i also have a gnome rogue, all my chunkier classes are diff races tho

[spice spire]

Silence vulpera main

[royal lantern]

silence, not playing wow guy

[spice spire]

Fair

[royal lantern]

but you gave us more george pics, so its ok

[fallen arch]

You can always play human for that faster hearthstone

[cerulean maple]

THATS WHAT HUMANS GET???

no shot

[spice spire]

Now yes

They got rep gain before

Deemed 2 powerful

Ig they still have rep gain but tww nixes that

[primal jolt]

helo doomers

[potent raven]

its over

[spice surge]

Not much dooming left, we just dont talk about deathstalker

[dark token]

Im dooming over kingsbane cap sad

I like kingsbane main character

[rotund oak]

hold on dont start

brb grabbing the cheetos

[primal jolt]

[rotund oak]

you can start now

plz continue

[primal jolt]

figured if i continue playing a rogue i definitely hate myself

[rotund oak]

[primal jolt]

so i could hate myself even harder if i race change it to a pandaren

then i can become the ultimate clown and play deathstalker

[rotund oak]

u are pushing some serious punishment there

deathstalker is no joke

[primal jolt]

is there a way of like not picking a hero tree

I'll just pretend like its good old shadowlands

[spice surge]

"good old shadowlands"

[rotund oak]

[primal jolt]

bro i leveled a warrior to reroll and play colossus

because it sounded badass

ANYWAY

what i didn't notice is that colossus main ability

HAS A FUCKING CAST TIME

LIKE A CHANNEL

who makes this shit

[spice surge]

Thats the entire point of it no

[primal jolt]

bro i dont wanna play one of the fastest classes in the game

and have to channel an ability

like what

[spice surge]

In what way is arms warrior one of the fastest classes lmao

[primal jolt]

im considering going back to rogue man

i have mixed feelings if id go arms or fury

if i go fury i cant play colosus

but if i go back to rogue

[dark token]

I'm actually dooming tho because all 3 hero trees were quite bad in first iteration, trickster got a bit better but still

[primal jolt]

i feel like i deserve better

[rotund oak]

u charge and press all buttons at once #FastAFBoy

[dark token]

The fact they can release deathstalker like that....

[primal jolt]

you know what's fucking cringe

[dark token]

And sub got zero good talent changes when it really needs them in it's class tree

[primal jolt]

i will have my sin rogue stained by having to share a fucking hero tree with OUTLAW

[dark token]

Loss of dance for double vanish in class tree is also really cringe

[primal jolt]

how horrible is this

its such a bad punishment

[dark token]

Basically all our changes except the bonespike change were negative from s3-4 imo

[spice surge]

Idk people put way too much stock into the hero talents, baseline spec feel is still way more important

[dark token]

So yeah I'm dooming

[primal jolt]

i was thinking to myself like, DAMN! rogue will probably become popular again when the hero talents get released i cant wait to see how badass they will look

🪙

[dark token]

Probably playing ww because they got actual good changes in spec tree

[spice surge]

Extra CP is good

Idk assa plays well

[dark token]

Not where it's placed

It removed the FoK talent entirely by being a choice node

Venom rush was walso alright

[spice surge]

The fok talent doesnt exist on live either

It doesnt matter

[dark token]

They should have replaced Doomblade

[primal jolt]

i might go full degenerate and play mage

[rotund oak]

[dark token]

Cp should never be a choice node with anything

Cause it always wins almost

I thought they learned that lesson last few years but nah Ig

[dark token]

It's even MORE dead now

You could take it in keys before and be finr

[primal jolt]

I wonder what would happen if i went rn to tww discussion and started praising deathstalker

[spice surge]

Idk if your main complaint about assa is that they "removed" a talent nobody ever picked

[dark token]

Or for council fights

I liked having the choice

[spice surge]

Then assa is good

[dark token]

Now it's dead

There are other talents no one picks ever

They could have removed instead

(Doomblade, ttb, vv, ttk)

The FoK talent actually playable in aoe scenarios or for world content QoL

[rotund oak]

[dark token]

Anyway all I'm saying is deeper strat shouldn't choice node anything

[rotund oak]

idk if u play beta but u might have gotten the wrong idea with sin

[dark token]

I mean also both sin hero talents trees are pretty ass

[rotund oak]

DS is legit up to the point it doesnt become a problem

[dark token]

And I think you have to play ER now

[rotund oak]

just like any other node

[dark token]

(always ass)

[rotund oak]

no lol

[dark token]

What are you playing instead

O wait we are forced cold blood

Because of fatebound

[rotund oak]

yeah

[dark token]

Yaaaay

(not)

[rotund oak]

we dont know yet

but CB might not be the choice either

tea is the obvious one

[dark token]

If its not cb ita ER

Because they absolutely butchered the dance side

It's unplayable except maybe crackshot outlaw now

[rotund oak]

idk i remain skeptical about that

but ye dooming is real

[dark token]

No one asked to remove the dance snapshot stuff except cringer spec purist casuals on wow forums

It's strictly worse now

So yeah. Only positive change so far was bonespike

Across both sub/sin

[cerulean maple]

is there a setting somewhere to make plates spread horizontally instead of all bunching up at the top making it impossible to click them? bc even if i change the overlap to rly low it still stacks like this 💀

[dark token]

Meanwhile I read ww changes and cream each line

Forgive me if I'm not hyped

[cerulean maple]

are they removing dance in tww??

or wha

[dark token]

Ye

[cerulean maple]

what the

[dark token]

It's moved to sub spec tree

They put in 2 vanish charges instead

[cerulean maple]

ew

[dark token]

And remove nightstalker instead we have subterfuge

So that side of the tree is turbo ass for non outlaw players now

[rotund oak]

ild argue its the pvp side of the tree

[dark token]

Might as well move 2 vanish charges to outlaw and think of something else there

[rotund oak]

but u would go who cares about pvp

[dark token]

PVP TALENTS SHOULD GO TO PVP TREE

[spice surge]

Nightstalker was ass to begin with

[dark token]

They have a separate tree

[rotund oak]

we dont have any pvp though

[spice surge]

Good riddance

[steel ridge]

whats that vertical line? execute range or something?

[royal lantern]

:

[spice surge]

Ye should be execute

[rotund oak]

love you too habibi

[royal lantern]

but ye

its a PvP side rn

[dark token]

So yeah I'm hard dooming for rogue unless we get nice beta changes

[royal lantern]

unless they giga buff MA i gues

[rotund oak]

im smelling some tree cooking but idk yet,its waaay too early

[dark token]

We never get good stuff start of expac

[rotund oak]

for both sub and sin

[dark token]

Actually

And we always need some extra attention midway through as a result

[spice surge]

Sin tree is fine, good even

[dark token]

I think only BFA had good stuff

[rotund oak]

BFA was one of my fav xpansions

[dark token]

That's cause it was already pretty good. They made it worse (except bonespike) but it remains goodish still because it was good before

[cerulean maple]

i liked rogue in wotlk as well

[dark token]

And the hero talents for sin are both quite cringe

So

[rotund oak]

it was cool ye

[dark token]

At least sub has playable trickster

[rotund oak]

sub trickster feels very cool

love it

[spice surge]

I mean they didnt make it worse

Idk i prefered old trickster

Way too random now, but theyll hopefully address that

Also gotta get rid of the 2-3 second gcd when using the capstone, thats actually horrid

[dark token]

No dance/nightstalker so much less choice in class tree, worse KB, still no defensives so sin will be dead in m+

[spice surge]

Class tree has more choice now

Atleast for m+

[dark token]

I really don't care about the CP talent that was a mixed bag change rather than positive because of placement

[spice surge]

Since it didnt have any choice before as you had to spec dance

[dark token]

Tea is locked in because all other options suck, cold blood locked in for hero talents

And you always take DS

So

Not really any better except we have a much worse 4th column now

[spice surge]

idk go ahead buddy

[dark token]

Forgive me if I'm negative when I see other classes getting actual pages of text of cool stuff

Or actual nice fantasy/gameplay hero talents

[royal lantern]

"other classes"

mate

[dark token]

We get like 4 lines

[royal lantern]

its the same 3-4

that stuff is kinda bad is not a rogue only thing

[dark token]

Ye mage/warlock/dk always op I guess

[royal lantern]

like, imo over half of all hero trees are lackluster at best

its just that stuff like sunfury get hyped like crazy that everyone forgets the rest

[dark token]

Also all of the remix and retail decisions in s4

Have made me lose a lot of faith in blizz

They have been awful in s4

TWW is looking turbo doom for me

[royal lantern]

like, shaman trees are bad, stormcaller is decent but thats it

hunter has 3x the same tree

oracle is still bad, its not "legit unplayable in every single way" anymore, but its just bad

warrior has 2 trees that are Rogue level of bland

its not only rogue that has problems rn

[royal lantern]

i mean, i agree

S4 is kinda........yeeeeeeeeeeeehhaaaaaa..........

dropped the ball hard

[dark token]

I mean I knew it would be bad

[royal lantern]

i was optimistic for it, but they just legit did nothing at all with it, just "grind gear again and do the same raids again"

[dark token]

Not this bad

I expected some balancing

Look at survival hunter still

Sub bugged for 100th week

M+ balance completely god comped like s2

[royal lantern]

imo it feels like that they just spread themself to thin

[dark token]

Ye they are running too many versions on the game

Retail clearly has zero attention

[royal lantern]

like, doing a "fun season" at the same time remix while ALSO working at the next expansion

[dark token]

Remix got attention but from stupid decision makers panicking to fix their stupid decisions

[royal lantern]

and the result is the "fun season" getting nothing at all, remix beeing kinda a mess for the first 1-2 weeks

[high jetty]

And a classic launch

“Classic”

[royal lantern]

classic team has nothing to do with retail

[dark token]

Isn't cata turbo bugged on launch also

And sod is

[dark token]

They also should have had all 3 tier sets available idk what this vote is

Would have been cool mix n match

[opal dawn]

so, i was not playing S2 to s3, i rejoined with S4.
As a soloplayer/raider i like the new changes blizzard made.
for example follower dungeons big W, gear catchup feels good.
for me as assassination, the best time was wotlk. Right now i feel like the talent choices feel bad, you feel like you always missing a piece to make your build perfect. Also the whole class phantasy is lost if there is not the one thing i spec into, like kingsbane, but x others like crimson tempest, serrated bonespikes, sepsis etc.. i would feel better if i shose one of them for aoe and one for st and specialize on them

[royal lantern]

@dark token the "god comp" problem is multiple things, and a few are also player feedback related tbh

like, we had people cry for years now "i want my fresh max level character to be fully geared and ready for everything the moment inhit max level, DAE ALT UNFRIENDLY?????"

the result is that getting a new character up for FotM rerolling is extremely trivial now, and the playerbase kinda expects it now for people to do it

we go away from a "i play my character i played for years" and it slowly turns into a Moba-like "play the meta thing rn or you are kinda stupid for not doing it"

[opal dawn]

also, i think, wow doesn't need hero talents at all.
just keep the basics and make them good

[royal lantern]

hero talents are a good idea in concept and i know why they do it

the Problem is That its WAAAAAAY to early, we have so many classes/specs that are kinda fucked and need attention, and now they akwardly glue another thing on top of them that makes bigger changes almost not possible

like, just looking at the entire "you are supposed to play as the PINNACLE of your class fantasy!!!"

and then 90% of them are a big pile of nothing in that regard, and its giga obvious that they just took some names and akward put some rough shit togheter and called it a day

[royal python]

Is it possible to catalyst voice of the silent star at 535? How do some people have tier cloak 535

[spice surge]

For the most part bleeds are aoe focused and poisons singletarget focused now

[spice surge]

Yes

[opal dawn]

maybe i have not enough evidence as of right now but i feel like the dmg differences are too big for an aoe spec in sT or vice versa

[royal lantern]

you mean a spec that does only aoe or only st?

[tawdry meteor]

Can i just macro Shadow Dance + Kingsbane together?

[opal dawn]

i have to point out, that i just came back to s4 so my experience is far from good rn

[royal lantern]

yes, everyone does it

[tawdry meteor]

okay great

[spice surge]

Not sure what to tell you besides no, thats not true

[opal dawn]

yea feels like its everytime a 100% choice.. i think if we play a sT spec we should lose 30% or something in aoe and not 80%?

[spice surge]

But you can always just grab more ST talents in your aoe build or vice versa

[royal lantern]

?

[opal dawn]

ok, then i will look at it again

[royal lantern]

you take caustic splatter and now do aoe

like, for assa, doing 100% st dmg and having some nice cleave is literally a single talent that makes a ~2% ST dmg lost

[spice surge]

A lot of high keys are done with entirely singletarget talents + spatter and IC

[royal lantern]

and thats the case for most classes in the game tbh

[opal dawn]

okay, yea obviously i didn't check out every combination and parsed them to look how they do

but its nice to know tysm

i was not aware, that aoe works fine without indiscriminate carnage

[high jetty]

In raid for sure

In dungeons you will want IC

[opal dawn]

ah ok shure

[tawdry meteor]

Am i right in thinking Alacrity isn't something you can have 100% uptime on anymore?

[opal dawn]

and is there a build, where vicious venoms and doom blade works together? i couldnt find a guide

[dark token]

Ye it's called the crab build

Look it up

[opal dawn]

oh i thaught it was a joke xD

[rotund oak]

its a thing,and actually good

[dark token]

It's as much of a joke as these two talents

[cerulean maple]

crab gaming

[rotund oak]

[cerulean maple]

where would i ask plater questions? i fear this is not the correct channel. Plater discord? off topic?

[opal dawn]

hmm it could fit by playstyle, idc about meta anyway xD

[dark token]

Plater discord ye

[tawdry meteor]

?

[dark token]

I dont track the buff and I don't recommend you do either

It's just passive haste with some % uptime

Just forget about alacrity

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it got a nice lil nerf going into DF

[tawdry meteor]

what's the pandemic timer for 6 cp rupture

[opal dawn]

i cant find anything for the build 😄

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s a complete meme build

[opal dawn]

lol 😦 sadge