assassination

[thorn fjord]

You are def a badass

[ruby birch]

I mean you were aggressive towards me for no reason

[thorn fjord]

Dont even front

[limber lion]

[cursive owl]

i what O_O ?

[ruby birch]

I gave just a friendly suggestion IF you don’t like demise

[bronze pike]

i woke up as well

cookin

[cursive owl]

u said " if u dont like demise then dont play it "

[bronze pike]

so i can leave for work later

[ruby birch]

Yeah?

[limber lion]

Which is true

[bronze pike]

so overal solid day so far

[limber lion]

If you don't like DTB, don't play it

[spice spire]

It’s okay to stop

[limber lion]

If you don't like Assassination, don't play it

[ruby birch]

I gave an alternate option…

[bronze pike]

im literally cookin

[limber lion]

We all have free will

Or so they say

[ruby birch]

How is that putting words in your mouth

[bronze pike]

but now i have a deathstalker cook

[cursive owl]

well

for me it did sound like u telling me that i said i hate demise 😮

[ruby birch]

I said if

Because I didn’t want to assume

[cursive owl]

x)

then let me tell you here for I do apologize for assuming a false intention, im sorry 😦

[ruby birch]

I def don’t

[bronze pike]

deathstalker first talent makes you summon a perma stealthed rogue from the shadows as your partner, copying your abilities at a 70% reduced rate and shares your hp

[ruby birch]

I’m trapped

[bronze pike]

deatstalker last capstone active talent: your deathstalker explodes, killing himself and you to deal the combine total hp to your target

[fallen arch]

Bro you have infinite PI so ur gucci

[cursive owl]

shuriken ? will uaccept my apology ?

[bronze pike]

cooked

[cursive owl]

@normal mist i wanna know what i have done that u say that, im curious. i always try to help in the most generous way

[limber lion]

Did you know that warmer weather causes more turtles to be born female than male.

[shy pecan]

o rly?

[normal mist]

You remind me of a player in #pvp that used to try to help others when he himself couldn't go past 1000 rating in pvp.
What I mean is, these past few weeks, especially with your talk about stats, we did tell you many times what to do and many times you didn't listen. And I saw you give bad advice once or twice and no I'm not going to go search for it

[limber lion]

Or that polar bears actually have black skin?

The fur is white but their skin is actually super black!

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/polar-bear-gif-24889501

did you know, that crickets are super lame

and should just be extinct

[limber lion]

🥶

[bronze pike]

cause they always chip outside my window and i cant find them

[normal mist]

Crickets lives matter

[limber lion]

We ain't got crickets or grasshoppers here in Finland

It's peace and quiet all day long

[cursive owl]

well i never played PVP, and i always remind ppl that i am building a Meme build. and i do know what the stat weights are. recently i was only taking about stats because i am in touch with mister Bonespike cause we talked about trinkets and crit procs. I do not have any intention of leading people into a false direction. and Hell no i ever will. so if U are in your Opinion that i am a Bed influence to ppl in this Discord and others, please let me know it i will leave imidiately. Thanks

[limber lion]

!stats

[normal mist]

I'm no one here

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[limber lion]

Boom

Get !stats'd on

[fallen arch]

And here I am stacking speed

Fml

It isn’t even mentioned

[normal mist]

I said it earlier, stacking speed makes you a better player

[fallen arch]

Until
U kill your homies on AA first boss

Cos u fast as fuck

[normal mist]

You're fine, no need to be mad, everyone has bad takes every now and then, we just gotta confirm what we are saying and accept the help that is provided by our Rogue friends that are far better suited than us

I'm a shit HC player myself

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635

[shy pecan]

[cursive owl]

u see, just the message that i am telling ppl false stuff did make me mad, but i try to figure out what i should have said that was wrong, cause im realy genuienly (english F) try to advice in best terms of what the big guys are saying. and if i end up in my stuff i tell them not to follow my lead ... sooo im sorry if u take my stuff wrong then.

what i cannot stand are ppl who actually trigger me, i get mad at them, and it turnes out it was a misunderstanding and i apologize and they just ignore it. well done Grown up human

[normal mist]

You sound like an adult because I can see myself in those words.
Still, you're fine, everything is fine, and don't let people on the internet dictate how you feel.

[cursive owl]

alright

thank you

[fallen arch]

Maybe cut back on the uwus and owos a little

[cursive owl]

like thank you for actually talking with me in a way that we can as "adults"

[cursive owl]

thats just my personality UwU

dw i will try xD

[normal mist]

Been there done that don't you worry

[cursive owl]

i do have a lot of experience on my own but its always hard to "assess" ppl u never write or talk before

[normal mist]

Boy how well I know that xD

[cursive owl]

😄

thank your for your patience 😄

[gusty mirage]

sounds like a skill issue on their part

get lapped NERDS

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1248220207328137306/image0.jpg?ex=6662df28&is=66618da8&hm=fe39d2c5c5943212a3da78af939440b6338becb567abf6c47ba2ff05c385d86f&

my new fav trinket

[cursive owl]

what the hell is htat

[royal lantern]

@quiet oar wanna ride into sunset togheter for 880k fire dmg?

[spice surge]

(whichever is closest)

[gilded oasis]

its a Ravenous Honey Buzzer, duh

[quiet oar]

Im in

[rough kraken]

what if the sunset is near you, then it loses value

[cursive owl]

is that a new tww trinket 😄

[rough kraken]

idk if the location of the sunset is implemented in sims either so will probably be wanky

[gilded oasis]

is the sunset in the room with us?

[gilded oasis]

Ye looks like its from beta

[cursive owl]

mhm but it sounds funny

can i imagine like a Hecarim ultimate ? where u just phalanx into the enemys with a fire horse ?

[quiet oar]

Where do we end up

if we ride in the direction of the sunset

[royal lantern]

yes

[fallen arch]

That’s what I said

No sprint? Not my problem

[shy pecan]

Get a room you two

[quiet oar]

We might end up in one

[shy pecan]

Invite me to the wedding, kthx

(When you both have one)

[quiet oar]

Sin OTP and Outlaw player, to unite rogue again

Sub can be the kid that throws the flowers

[shy pecan]

That'll be fuu

[fallen arch]

How is one an otp and something else

Oh nvm

Im dumb

[shy pecan]

Actually, make Hacha the flower kid

[quiet oar]

Why not both

[shy pecan]

Or Eleem could do it

Eleem would be the perfect flower kid actually

[spice surge]

Whats that supposed to mean

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/flower-groomsman-girl-flowerboy-rose-gif-26755591

Like that

I could see you doing that, steal the show for a sec

[sterile cypress]

Does anyone know if we can Cloak of Shadows the rock blast from Terros in Vault? (the targeted group soak mechanic)

[hexed frost]

Yeah you can

[royal lantern]

hacha only does it when the flowers give mastery

[shy pecan]

Yeah, I think Eleem would be best. The unnamed star of the show

unnamed, hidden, whatever you wanna call it

[vestal wren]

subtlety is supposed to be hidden

[shy pecan]

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hidden-peek-hiding-cute-gif-15779078

^ subtlety rogue

[royal lantern]

video of seli playing wow

wtf

[vestal wren]

thats seli playing wow

https://tenor.com/view/ok-computer-desktop-not-working-come-on-gif-16789243

[shy pecan]

Damn fuu lol

[royal lantern]

birb gang birb gang

your druid/hunters have it?

[potent raven]

think most of them do

im like one of the few who didnt

[royal lantern]

L

bragging about having the mount while the hunters/druids dont have it is the best thing about the mount

[potent raven]

lmao

didnt know

[clever sapphire]

i also just got it an hour ago

[potent raven]

hahaah

my dude!

its the 2nd time i loot it lol i had to trade it w. the last guild 😭

[clever sapphire]

well i didnt loot it

[potent raven]

lmao

[clever sapphire]

our hunter looted it, but he didnt want it and last time he got it he sold it for like 7M

now he just had us roll for it

and i got it with a 90

[potent raven]

i see

[clever sapphire]

[potent raven]

i just got it kek

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

i dunno man, we got a big pvp booster guy here who has more gold than he knows what to do with it

[gusty mirage]

neat part is, your account now has that bird for druid flight form

and your hunters can tame those owls

[royal lantern]

that implies playing druid

[clever sapphire]

well i dont play druid currently because its boring

and i dont play hunter because, hunter?

[gusty mirage]

no it doesn't

you log on

swap form

fly for 15s and log off

like I did

then send the screenshot to every druid you know

[royal lantern]

"yoooooooo that looks so cool, why are you not using it???"

[waxen oyster]

one of my friends who has druid cm set

and never plays the class

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent raven]

fckin ezz

[clever sapphire]

[frosty bridge]

guys when i press

[clever sapphire]

its just a fun bossfight

[frosty bridge]

kingsbane natty without DM

what are my next 3 gcds

garrote > ambush ?

or

[lean portal]

damn just got 90

[frosty bridge]

do i refresh rupture for the nightstalker thing or envenom

[lean portal]

what build u played ?

[lean portal]

not worth refreshing rupture

unless its dropping

[frosty bridge]

cheers

[clever sapphire]

question

is it in aoe or st

[lean portal]

true

i assumed it was st

mb

[frosty bridge]

yeye st, just for raszy G

[potent raven]

koldera coached official

[clever sapphire]

ah ye for st just refresh garrote once so its imp garrote again

[potent raven]

i got sarkareth mount too

lolol

[clever sapphire]

raza?

[hearty reef]

@whuspyr

[limber lion]

Hm

[frosty bridge]

🫡

[limber lion]

Let's not ping random people out of the blue.

[potent raven]

My bad

[hearty reef]

Np

[cerulean maple]

is there a way to add caustic splatter to luxthos weakaura?

like as a debuff tracker ig

[hearty reef]

Luxthos? It's in the dinamic effects subgroup

[cerulean maple]

oh really wtf

i dont see it when i play

also would u say to think of aoe rogue opener/rotation to basically just be

garrote all
rupt all/most
pick primary and mut + prepare for burst window
burst window
(normal priority)

ive been struggling w it for some reason

[normal mist]

You don't really need to garr/rupture all, a few is enough for your spam envenom (caustic) rotation

[cerulean maple]

oh okay

[normal mist]

garr/rupture take some time to deal real damage, and depending on your key level, garr/rupture like 5 / 6 targets is more than enough

[cerulean maple]

ok! thank u

[normal mist]

because rets and boomies will destroy the pack b4 you do damage

also, this is extremely important

For you do deal dmg with caustic, you NEED to mutilate your target while he has rupture and deadly poison

this can easily be forgotten

[lean portal]

garr actually deals dmg if you can have 9 its cool

when its from stealth

[cerulean maple]

rn i do

2x gartrote, rupt

garrote, fan, rupt

[lean portal]

but rupture go for 5 max

[cerulean maple]

then mut and fan+venom

[normal mist]

thats 3 garrotes and tabbing so you extend to a non garroted target

[normal mist]

I'm not entirely sure of what i'm about to say so anyone correct me if i'm wrong, but depending on target count, you dont want to garrote after stealth window is done so you don't overwrite the empowered garrotes you already have rolling

[cerulean maple]

oh i meant like

garrote, tab target, garrote, rupt, tab target, garrote, fan, rupt

so that u have garrote on 9 and rupt on 6

or should you onl use garrote twice

bc of the risk of ruining snapshotting

[normal mist]

3x is fine for 7-9 targets yeah

[cerulean maple]

for lower just 2x?

[normal mist]

IC lasts 10 seconds, Empower garrotes last 3secs after stealth

[normal mist]

yeah

most of your damage will come for caustic

[cerulean maple]

ahh okay

[normal mist]

But keep in mind, i'm taking into consideration this season meta, where it is full of classes with HUGE bursts that we can't keep up with

before you even start to ramp up packs are already dead

[cerulean maple]

yeah fair

for lower keys do you prefer sudden demise or demise+arterial? or which build

[normal mist]

I honestly usually play between 6 and 10 bcs im a pleb, and during S3 i ONLY played cleave build, this season i only played OL in m+

[lean portal]

u should triple garrote

and waste cp

cause garrote must come from stealth

[normal mist]

and 3 seconds after

[lean portal]

y thats why

[normal mist]

which means garr garr rupt garr is fine

[lean portal]

you have 3 stealth gcd

means 3 garrote in a row

wait

maube im crazy

[normal mist]

now even i am doubting myself

ill test

[lean portal]

XD

[runic hinge]

Gar gar ct fok rup fok rup and then I’m into kb stuff

[lean portal]

also dont play cleave

[runic hinge]

That’s plenty of bleeds and ct gets snapshot and your caustic will carry you

[normal mist]

you're not, i was wrong

[lean portal]

unless ure playing 15+ in tyra

i like to ct during sd personally

i go triple garrote rup fok rup mutilate snd fok envenom

then cds

[normal mist]

How important would SnD be on an huge AoE scenario?

[lean portal]

very

cause its mandatory for kingsbane

[runic hinge]

Gotta have it up before kb but if you’re spreading bleeds it’s whatever I think

[normal mist]

Yeah was thinking outside KB windows

[lean portal]

outside kb whatever but usually you dont have time to drop it between two kb windows

[normal mist]

I mean its still a stupid question since SnD usually doesnt run out during m+

[cerulean maple]

this is actually something that has fucked me u[

why do the sims use ct so late

like

i get most of the damage is caustic but on paper crimson looks like so much dmg

is it rly not that useful?

[runic hinge]

Just be a chad and don’t follow sims

[runic hinge]

I think the idea is that ct isn’t higher value than getting your bleeds for energy and scent stacks out and then you want to get into KB asap because obviously it ramps at the end and any time you aren’t ramping it is wasted almost

That’s why the cleave build is so popular because then you don’t even have to think about it.

I dont really do keys high enough that I care and I do think getting ct out early on large pulls is definitely more valuable than the sims make it seem. But it’s like if I only get 10 seconds of kb cause I used 2 globals for ct am I wasting “more” damage

[indigo epoch]

Garrote garrote ct garrote rupture fok mut envenom is how I usually open packs 🤷‍♂️

[normal mist]

The less i think the better it goes

[runic hinge]

Should rupture one more time for scent stacks

[cerulean maple]

its what i did before, then i tried to minmax/optimize, and immediately everything felt awkward so now im re-learning

[balmy condor]

Because packs are very short in sims and getting cooldowns up is always preferable

But like Tony said

Using sims to learn your rotation

Is very stupid

[cerulean maple]

so it seems 💀

[balmy condor]

Sims live in a half-state of realistically doable, but also still a robot

We avoid putting in things that aren’t in any way reasonable for a human

Like if there was an optimization that said always refresh rupture at 1.37 seconds

That’s not it

[cerulean maple]

LMFAO

[balmy condor]

We don’t put that in

But even then, a lot of the conditionals are still incredibly complicated

And there are things in the sims that most people don’t bother with

Because it’s not worth trying to min max that

So especially if you’re just learning the spec

Shit will just straight up not make sense most of the time

It’s also the reason why rotation helpers are dogshit

Aside from all their other issues

[cerulean maple]

rotation helpers ie. hekili and the like?

ive noticed anytime i turn them on i immediately play worse

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Turning on Hekili is a very easy way to lose 20% of your dps

[runic hinge]

Hekili I’ve heard tries to play like a robot so basically it just takes the sim apl and says do this every time but in reality you can’t play like that. Stuff in the game is too reactive

[balmy condor]

I mean it also just does it poorly

[runic hinge]

True

[cerulean maple]

yeah hekili doesnt match what sims say (for me anyway personally) half the time

[runic hinge]

I just hit dummies for a while and then I got do low keys for a bit and invite bad people so I can do all the damage and then start moving up.

[cerulean maple]

that is the way

beating the shit out of dummies >>>> trying to figure out why sim does sim things

idk if there;s a way to use raidbots or whatever this way but i wish there were a way to write rotations/openers yourself and test them in sims so u dont have to hit dummies for 30min

[runic hinge]

I don’t really get into high keys either so sometimes I just play for sudden demise damage cause it’s funny

[balmy condor]

That’s not how sims are written

Like the logic language for sims

Doesn’t function like that

[cerulean maple]

oh

well

[spice surge]

Its just a lot more complicated than you'd expect

[cerulean maple]

i am very not coding literate

[spice surge]

Overall optimizing the sim to do whats best is a lot more complicated and more effort required than one might expect

[cerulean maple]

shoutout to all the sim devs tbh

[spice surge]

And the outlaw guys already got their shit working for the beta, theyre actually completely cracked

[cerulean maple]

for the war within?

Also do you guys run acrobatic strikes just for easier uptime or thistle on ur aoe builds? i assume its just preference?

[spice surge]

If you want acro you go acro+2x lethality instead of 2x alacrity+deeper

You always keep tea

[cerulean maple]

wait so instead of like this

like this?

[spice surge]

yes

[cerulean maple]

is thistle mastery and energy regen really worth more than the extra damage on finishing moves and protection against overstacking from strata? woahg

[spice surge]

yes

[runic hinge]

I was running Acro earlier this patch but then I realized i don’t really need it and I’ve since switched back

[cerulean maple]

im relatively new to endgame pve content so acro feels more comfortable since you have some room for positioning error

[strong wing]

Whats the dmg loss for this?

2/3%?

[balmy condor]

They also have like 4 people to be fair

And a Microsoft dev

So

Kinda stacked

[spice surge]

Ye im not throwing any shade

Yeah theyre just stacked

[royal lantern]

huh

[shy pecan]

My guess is Koji

[balmy condor]

Levy

[shy pecan]

Oh

[slate crown]

Also even if you could, doing so wouldn't save you the time at the dummies because doing so isn't the same thing as your fingers pressing the buttons.

[balmy condor]

Koji works at some unnamed game dev studio

[shy pecan]

Got it

[royal lantern]

so Levy monitors the corona mindcontrol chips in RH, gotcha

[shy pecan]

Levy doesn't ring a bell though

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[shy pecan]

I don't recognize the name

[balmy condor]

He’s in outlaw a lot

[shy pecan]

It's been a while since I've been active in there 😛

[balmy condor]

He’s the guy that setup outlawmallet

[shy pecan]

Got it

[royal lantern]

good

[timid talon]

Worth swapping to sin if I'm not gonna get PI?

[shy pecan]

Still worth, still do good damage

[timid talon]

All I needed to hear

[royal lantern]

do you like playing assa

if the answer is yes, play it

[balmy condor]

If you like playing it, play it

[shy pecan]

^

Third that

[balmy condor]

I played sin on smolderon

Post-nerf

Was fine

[timid talon]

You're just built differently

[normal mist]

He values his fun

[shy pecan]

I was wondering who the fourth was though. Guy, Solo, Koji I knew immediately

[balmy condor]

Zac?

Solo?

Oh you said solo

[shy pecan]

I thought zac was done

[balmy condor]

What

Zac’s around

[shy pecan]

Yeah, but not TC'ing though?

[balmy condor]

He was a couple days ago

[shy pecan]

Ah

[indigo epoch]

where should the 2nd rupture go?

[runic hinge]

This is what I do every pack

[silk bane]

bro shows up to packs starts rappin

and the thing goes garrrrr garrrrr

[runic hinge]

And every shadow dance I’m spreading more garrote and after kb is done if the pack is still alive I’ll spread rupture to anything that’s gonna not die soon

[silk bane]

ct fok fok rup

[runic hinge]

But as long as I have full scent stacks and my energy is Gucci then I’m probably just ripping envenom

[keen spruce]

Da ting goes fok fok rup

[spice spire]

Is this the new garret 1 garret 2

[silk bane]

i knew u would get it shmeeps i believed

[gray sleet]

Why the fuck am i running out of energy so fast

[slate crown]

poisons equipped?

[runic hinge]

Listen I’m not some high level streamer but I ain’t been beat in any of my mythics this season (I’m 1800 io cause I ain’t been playing)

[shy pecan]

Kinda need more info than just why you’re running out so fast. Single target? AoE? How long into the fight?

[radiant osprey]

hi do we not use crimson tempest in keys anymore

[dark token]

U didn't put on deadly poison

[dark token]

We do use it, on 4+ targets

[spice spire]

What frozen said

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[faint vessel]

are any of you running caustic cleave on tyrannical vs the full M+ aoe build?

[balmy condor]

it's less of a tyran vs fort situation

and more of a key level thing

most everyone running cleave are doing it above like 15/16

[runic hinge]

I will never see a 15. Those people are crazy

[faint vessel]

thanks @balmy condor

[rotund oak]

stong kung-fu

[runic hinge]

🥋

[fallen arch]

Shouldn’t that first ct be a rup though?

[runic hinge]

It can be. Depends on the pull really. I just value the snapshot on ct over 3 ruptures. And I think getting CT out early on every target is a lot of damage. And if you’re waiting until after cds or during cds, ct is hard to fit.

It also depends on what you’re playing for as well. Like if you’re just trying to kill a big guy or it’s like a small pull I think ct early isn’t as good.

A lot of people play cleave because they will just Kb the big guy and then you let caustic do all your aoe for you. I play ap shock build because I like doing high overall and still contributing on trash when kb isn’t up or if my kb target gets focused down before I get full value

So maybe I’m just playing for pad but whatever tops the meter

[fallen arch]

I think that should be ‘whatever times the key’

In a bolstering week unnecessary pad on smallies sounds like the worst thing u can do tbh

But if you 2 chest your keys anyway, all good right

[runic hinge]

Yes. You’re right

The thing I think about is everything has to die eventually and so there isn’t really pad. And the best part of playing sin is just dm/kb the one scary big dude and you’re doing your job and also killing the small ones. Bolstering doesn’t usually become that big of a problem. Plus you’re a dot class you’re not like spamming divine storm when you wanna just kill one dude. You’re doting the other trash so everything comes down together

[wraith spindle]

Hey guys! I’m new here. I’m trying to figure out which build does the most overall dmg in m+? Is it crimson tempters build or cleave build?

Tempest*

[runic hinge]

Depends on your key level and your group composition

[wraith spindle]

Just spamming 8’s -10 range

[wraith spindle]

8-10’s

And which is easier?

[runic hinge]

Do the ap shock build

And they play mostly the same

[wraith spindle]

Okay thank you, is there a place where I can look up rotations and bis?

[runic hinge]

Check wowhead

[wraith spindle]

Will do! Thanks a bunch

[cursive owl]

guys, i try to recall what was said yesterday to the AOE rotation with CT , so we do CT and perma try to spread garrote and rupture but need to run envenom buff , so if the buff i to vanish we refresh and continuew ct and ruptures ? or did i got that wrong.

[primal jolt]

HELLO DEATHSTALKER ENJOYERS

[brave gyro]

[balmy condor]

Where are these people you speak of

[tropic tundra]

they're all dead(literally)

[normal mist]

Keep some empowered garrotes and ruptures rolling, CT and then play around caustic

[cursive owl]

i see okay

thanks :>

so we play around caustig which means we ignore 4set ? or is it needed*

[normal mist]

And as you said, refresh if necessary (since meta specs are so bursty, keys between 8-10 you barely have time to ramp up your damage properly)

[cursive owl]

i see

Ok

and above 10 i believe cleave build is better anyway

[normal mist]

Caustic = 4set blessing since one complements the other so well no?

[cursive owl]

true O-o well yeah xD

noted*

[normal mist]

4 set = chaining envenoms do big DMG

Caustic = big damage

[cursive owl]

oh ?

so caustic proccs from 4set

i see

[normal mist]

Afaik yes, the explosion

[cursive owl]

so caustic means realy " all posion dmg"

[normal mist]

@balmy condor sorry to poke you, but just to be sure, caustic does work with 4set since it's poison dmg right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cursive owl]

ok

[balmy condor]

Caustic spreads all class-based nature damage

[cursive owl]

so all abilitys u posses not the item effects

[balmy condor]

That includes other weird things like poison bomb

[balmy condor]

Correct

[cursive owl]

Ok

[balmy condor]

Items and class effects are usually completely separate

So like shiv increases nature damage

But items that do nature damage, don’t interact

[cursive owl]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[balmy condor]

Caustic spreads all nature damage, but items don’t interact

Etc etc

[cursive owl]

yeye

ok

ty ^-^

[normal mist]

Thanks mister Whispyr

[cursive owl]

thank you also royal :>

[peak quarry]

Should kingsbane only ever be used with Shadowdance?

[balmy condor]

yep

macro'd

shadow dance first

ashes in that macro too

[peak quarry]

Okay, that actually makes it simpler than I thought

[cursive owl]

this works O_O ?

ill need to add this, 1 more button free 😄

[normal mist]

You either had it macrod to deathmark or SD, you were pressing it manually?

[cursive owl]

yes

i had it on MB4

x)

kb SD in shift R

shiv in ShiftE and tea on shiftF , DM is on E

ill bind it on DM so i will switch DM from E to mb4

[normal mist]

Well you just saved yourself the trouble

[cursive owl]

[ashen oriole]

that is not APL though is it?

[balmy condor]

correct

[ashen oriole]

is it a gain, neutral or a loss vs APL?

[balmy condor]

neutral

[ashen oriole]

doesnt it make sense to align it ashes with deathmark+kb instead of single kb?

[balmy condor]

what

[ashen oriole]

kb being on a 1min cd you fit 2 kb casts in a 2min window. every other kb is paired with deathmark. shouldn't ashed be used when deathmark is up too?

[balmy condor]

yeah, so you macro ashes to your dance/kb macro

you open

right

so you deathmark, press the macro

it casts ashes

[ashen oriole]

for now i have tried to line them up bc of their 2 min cds but looking at APL the condition only looks at KB

[balmy condor]

and then deathmark is a 2 min cd

and ashes is a 2 min cd

this is why looking at the APL for how to play is stupid

[ashen oriole]

ye right if they are macroed it will only be ready on DM

[clever sapphire]

(i wouldnt macro it to kb if you use the dance/kb macro in m+)

there will be times where you only wanna use a small cooldown because boss is comng up

[ashen oriole]

ouch, i operated on the assumptions guides use APL or are simplified derivatives

[balmy condor]

I mean the guides are simplified derivatives

[ashen oriole]

alright then

[balmy condor]

simplified to be ya know

playable

trying to memorize APL conditionals as a method of improving just doesn't make sense from a human standpoint

you're not a robot

[ashen oriole]

WA ftw

but ye I understand where you are coming from

[royal lantern]

im always going big, no small cooldodwns

[ashen oriole]

that is a valid reason not to macro ashes to dance and kingsbane. for now i will just macro dance and kingsbane but keep ashes separate

[clever sapphire]

i have ashes macrod to dm

[clever sapphire]

my brain wouldnt be able to do that, especially on brh

i love sending all cooldowns on first boss

on pull

[ashen oriole]

that makes sense I guess?

binding it to DM

[rotund oak]

ye,big window big buffs

i also have pot on that macro

DM+Ashes+Pot

[grim jay]

I have ashes macroed to DM for m+

And to kb for raid

Switching build will switch out the macros aswell anyways

[ashen oriole]

how?

what is this magic you're using

[grim jay]

Separate Bars basically

Theres a clicky thing somewhere so the Bars arent shared across builds

[clever sapphire]

ah im using the talent trees addon so i just click on the talent on the right and it swaps

so my bars are always identical

im not using the default talent swap thingy

[ashen oriole]

same

[clever sapphire]

well then you cant do his way

[balmy condor]

there's talent tree addons?

what the fuck do they even do

[grim jay]

Ye, personally didnt like them and thought they were pointless

[clever sapphire]

i can import talents into the same loadout without having to create a new one, and i can save i dunno how many

i dunno, i was messing around on all 3 specs in S2 and my loadouts were filled

because of the 10 limit

[balmy condor]

oh

[clever sapphire]

so i got myself the addon because that didnt have a limit

[balmy condor]

that's wild

[clever sapphire]

i liked saving loadouts for some bosses and whatnot

or just dumb things that i messed around with

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fair

I have like 3 setups

1 for raid, 1 for m+, and like an alternate

and I'll just change those around

[clever sapphire]

i think i have 3 m+, 1 raid and 1 council

[balmy condor]

like caustic is 1 swap

so it's whatever

[grim jay]

Same

[balmy condor]

but I guess if you have a ton and the addon lets you get over the cap

that's pretty chill

[grim jay]

I never have any slots taken by outlaw

So 10 for 2 specs is pretty fine

[clever sapphire]

its this one

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

didn't know breaking the cap was possible

[potent raven]

crazy how the only good parse i got was with pi

[clever sapphire]

eh i had like 3 for outlaw, 3 for sub and 4 for assa

and i wanted to mess around more and save more talents

[potent raven]

wait nvm im lying i got pi on dathea but that boss makes me suicidal bro

[clever sapphire]

dathea is a shit boss

[balmy condor]

so what you're saying is you're 50% on parsing with pi

[grim jay]

How so? Its pretty much terros at this point

[potent raven]

idk not familiar with the raid that well

kill timers kinda shit as well

way too long

[potent raven]

why

[grim jay]

Because better

Even if minimal

[ashen oriole]

with how much energy are you guys entering Kingsbane?

[steel geyser]

doesnt matter

if you follow the finisher rules

[rotund oak]

enough until u press tea

no magic number

[barren yarrow]

Ok I still don’t quite understand pooling. Its waiting longer to cast spells? And what does it mean to chain env?

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[barren yarrow]

So if you have a 4pc set you can do back to back env?

[balmy condor]

Yes

That’s how the effect procs

You have to envenom during envenom

[barren yarrow]

I’m losing out on so much damage lol. Ok I’ll practice that later.

[balmy condor]

Pooling perfectly versus just blindly slamming envenoms is about a 1% to 1.5% difference

I wouldn’t worry about it if you’re new to the spec

[barren yarrow]

ok. I played a lot of sin in MOP and came back to it for our raid team.

[balmy condor]

#1 thing you need to do correctly to play sin at a decent level is make sure you’re not messing up kingsbane

Kingsbane is the entire identity of the spec atm

[barren yarrow]

ok and as far as “pooling” is it safe to wait until 5 stacks to let gar and rup apply?

[balmy condor]

5 stacks of what to let what

[barren yarrow]

Umm our energy bars? Combo points

[balmy condor]

Gar and rupture have no bearing on pooling

[barren yarrow]

ok

[balmy condor]

They’re bleeds you have to maintain 100% of the time

Or else you don’t generate energy

And you die

[barren yarrow]

so we pool to save energy and apply Env / KB

right right ok

[balmy condor]

Pooling is just for tier/envenom

[frosty bridge]

Dumb question but since you are already answering, should I ever be in the situation where I have to choose if I should rupture or envenom chain? Or does being in that situation mean I messed somethingup

[balmy condor]

I think you’re really overthinking this

Just make sure you’re not trolling your kingsbane every minute

It’ll be fine

Maintain gar/rup always

Do cooldowns

[spice surge]

Rupture should always be up

[balmy condor]

Win game

[spice surge]

If you have to drop envenom for it, then so be it, time to pool

[barren yarrow]

Haha yeah I am probably

[frosty bridge]

Yep, that was the question, cheers

[barren yarrow]

I normally play KB around death mark.

[frosty bridge]

[balmy condor]

Well yeh but kb is up every minute

And dm isn’t

So you still gotta do the combo

[barren yarrow]

right

[balmy condor]

But as long as you just copy paste your opener every minute

[barren yarrow]

well yeah I should’ve said I try to line it up

[balmy condor]

And remove the 2 mins when they’re not up

You’re good to go

It’s just the same thing over and over every minute

[barren yarrow]

I’m gonna check your guide again and do like an MRT note to practice it.

[balmy condor]

Yeh getting it into muscle memory is good

[barren yarrow]

You mean the death mark and KB combo isn’t the same every minute?

[balmy condor]

It is

You just don’t cast dm/vanish cause they’re not up

[barren yarrow]

Ohhh right

yeah yeah! Ok so when I’m on DM vanish CDs I just do shadow step and into KB

[balmy condor]

https://youtu.be/aQOfXmEulho

[autumn remnant]

Episode 5

[balmy condor]

This will basically have every answer

[barren yarrow]

thank you 🙏🏼

[royal lantern]

deathmark->shiv->kingsbane+shadowdance macro->garrote->envenom->use tea at 6seconds kingsband left and the 2nd shiv charge->use vanish at 3seconds left and re-apply garrote with that vanish

[balmy condor]

To every question ever asked

[royal lantern]

thats kingsbane

[barren yarrow]

wait wouldn’t you want to shadow step first then apply KB? nvm lol I bet this video answers that

[autumn remnant]

Whispyr

Did u change the title of the latest video

[potent raven]

why shadowstep wat

[balmy condor]

I think you mean shadow dance

And yes

They’re macro’d together

Dance first

[potent raven]

macro them yea

[balmy condor]

Then kingsbane

[balmy condor]

No

[barren yarrow]

Yes I meant shadow dance lol sorry

Whispyr do you raid with sin as well?

[spice surge]

Sin very good in raid

[hearty reef]

Hi whispyr

[balmy condor]

Always

[balmy condor]

Hi

[barren yarrow]

Oh cool do you ever stream when you do raid? Or

do you post any of them on YouTube

[hearty reef]

I-i dropped the matrix reloaded with leech

[balmy condor]

Yeah I do, I’m not playing season 4 though

But I stream all my prog

[rotund oak]

Beard looks so much better on you,also the hair on the last alpha vid

[balmy condor]

I just trimmed it up a little

[rotund oak]

u have the package man

[barren yarrow]

Nice! Yeah makes sense. I picked sin back up tail end of last season but now I’m fully invested in re learning everything.

but not a lot of people I met want to pros in S4 which is understandable.

[balmy condor]

Yeh I skipped s4 in shadowlands as well

Just can’t be fucked slogging through the same content twice

[grim jay]

I do m+ on the side if I feel like it

Kinda like running GRs in d3

[balmy condor]

M+ has turned into gear grind for raid

For me

It’s just not fun to push or whatever anymore

[grim jay]

Thats like the first 5 days of a season and then im done usually

[clever sapphire]

s4 shadowlands was better than current S4, so you arent missing out on anything

[balmy condor]

S4 shadowlands almost killed my guild it was so bad

[grim jay]

Thats such a big thing

They dont realize

That it just basically is an endurance test for guilds

And guilds dont have it easy anyways

[balmy condor]

Shadowlands my guild was like oh we’re gonna raid it’s gonna be like a normal season

And then it was hard like a normal season

And it shattered so many people’s mental

Started screaming at each other and not showing up and roster issues and people blaming other people

Ripped my guild apart almost

Luckily they just called it

And managed to rebuild for Dragonflight

But man

[grim jay]

I dont think its necessarily the difficulty. Just doing the same raid again for a long ass time already destroys the mental. If it was like 3 months

Alright

Would even be a good time for testing class changes, like an extended prepatch

[balmy condor]

I mean the Dragonflight raids at least are a quick smash and people are enjoying mop on the side

[grim jay]

Because you got all those different fightstyles

[grim jay]

True

But some guilds do struggle with amirdrassil

[spice surge]

Kinda wouldve prefered if every raid was tuned like abberrus now for fated

[balmy condor]

3 hours of fated painsmith on a Thursday

Is not it

[spice surge]

Some bosses like fyrakk still require a bit too much effort

[balmy condor]

Ye

I’d much prefer it if every boss was 100 pulls

[safe pivot]

:O

[balmy condor]

Instead of the first 7 being 20

And the last 3 being 500

[safe pivot]

fair enough

[grim jay]

Imagine they did the class changes for next expansion before its s4 time and you could test those in awakened raids with new gear for 3 months to point out how good stuff works or doesnt work in actual raid encounters of all kind

[clever sapphire]

fyrakk is the easiest for my guild because half our roster didnt really play in S1/S2, so we are first progressing the endbosses and killing fyrakk for the mount weekly

[spice surge]

I meant fated tuning only, but ye ig thats a valid complaint

[safe pivot]

have yall checked out the beta talents for rogue?

[balmy condor]

There’s channels for that

[safe pivot]

Ah sorry

[balmy condor]

Yeah but that would require the changes be ready for season 4

Which is insane

[spice surge]

#tww-assassination Just dont look at deathstalker

[grim jay]

Idk how they exactly operate tbf

Like teams etc

[balmy condor]

Not that far ahead lmao

You’re basically saying the class changes have to be done and testable 7 months before an expansion

Which is

Just not happening

In any universe

[brazen zodiac]

dat a lot of work...

[grim jay]

I meant like cutting down s4

To 3 months

So it would be like 4 months before

But ye still hard ig

Especially with Bugs

[balmy condor]

Okay but then where is the rest of the time going

[grim jay]

Like people wouldnt be happy to use the stuff thats in beta rn

[balmy condor]

You just removed a whole quarter

[grim jay]

Thats what I meant with idk how they operate and how far ahead. You just sometimes hear they work on "something" already, like they were working on the expansions at the reveal

But in what capacity

And which way

[balmy condor]

It’s normal for the big overarching story to be done like 1.5 years ahead

But they’re cramming gameplay and class changes up until the end

Like they had to rush deathstalker and the rogue changes out of the door in time for beta

Because they just weren’t ready

[spice surge]

Often even later than the release of the expac

Very often you have 1 or 2 specs/classes getting big reworks in .1 or .05 patches

Because they didnt have the time to do it properly before

[grim jay]

Yeah some things do look like they dont have enough time or capacity to act according to the timeline

Which is a shame but understandable

Things often dont go as planned either

[balmy condor]

Like the class tree changes on Alpha in mid-May probably were talked about no more than a month in advance

So being like “oh just release them 2-3 months earlier it’s fine”

Is just

Insane

And that’s without the nightmare of now everything is changing you’re mini-reworking all the classes for a pre-season

[vestal wren]

DF had a lot of reworks and chanegs after the major patches, whats a good thing
compared to old xpacs you had major changes every 2nd big cycle if even

[balmy condor]

So you’re going to have to balance that

Who’s balancing that

There’s an expansion to work on

[grim jay]

Yeah would kinda need more human resources

[balmy condor]

So now you’ve got a whole team that needs to push out all the class changes months earlier, and then also have them monitor live for balancing

[grim jay]

Thats true. I think in DF blizz handled stuff somewhat better overall

[balmy condor]

And then when things don’t work

They gotta rework them

Because that’s the point right

So if feedback is bad

Now you gotta still rework them

But what if you designed hero talents with the idea of something existing

And now it has to fundamentally change

Everything is falling apart

[vestal wren]

to be fair, a modern game development cylce could prevent some problems wow has

e.g. deathstalker as is would never survive testing, even if you had very short test cycles

[grim jay]

On that note tho, what do you think would be a better "awakened" season to give them more time? Like maybe getting an old raid ready for progress?

[vestal wren]

the first person trying to get the capstone working on subtlety would have send it back to the dev team immediately

[balmy condor]

I don’t think there’s a better awakened season to give them more time

Awakened is super easy to develop

And offers a lot for a casual

We’re just in a bubble of raiding where we don’t really care for it

[balmy condor]

I think it’s pretty obvious that they didn’t really care about what they released, they just needed to release something so that they could say all the hero talents are playable on beta

[vestal wren]

would be interessting to have some data to support the thesis

[grim jay]

I think from a player perspective a raid from the previous expansion or like 2 expansions before would be more interesting, kinda like they do with the dungeons, just not as old

[barren yarrow]

The guild I’m in just built a weekend team and they’re treating it like a normal season so it’s a pain.

[grim jay]

But that would be more effort than current expansion raids

[vestal wren]

i played pandaland for over 2 days /played

[balmy condor]

Yeh treating this like a normal season is how you build apathy

[vestal wren]

and i found it to be not content for me, but a lot of people love it

[balmy condor]

Can’t recommend that

[vestal wren]

any form of data for engagement in contnet would be fun to look at

[grim jay]

I honestly would prefer it being something we can do with our existing chars

But its fun nontheless I guess

[vestal wren]

i think its intentionally not

the experience of leveling is for pandaria a selling factor

similar to wow classic

[grim jay]

I mean you could kinda do the same just without the stat gems, but normal gear slots

And the Panda rings, neck and trinket being as they are but with the tinkers

[vestal wren]

pandaria is for me a bit weird

because the time to get to the level of "fun" is extremely high

i did expect it to be a lot lower

but it fits the typical gearing paradigm of wow

[balmy condor]

I feel like they could’ve done more to revamp questing in remix as a way to find ways to make regular question not shit

[grim jay]

For me its the infinite part on the time consumption

With the grind etc

[balmy condor]

But questing in retail kinda is just 10 hours and done anyway

So it’s whatever

[vestal wren]

most ppl on retail just buy boosts

so they afk while somone carries them through stuff

at least the top end

[grim jay]

True. I hope they do take away something from the complaints about the bad leveling for certain specs like fury and Arms

[balmy condor]

Just something more interesting reward wise than a green item you’ll replace in 25 minutes would be cool

[royal lantern]

not really, idk where you get that one from lol

[vestal wren]

i remember quite some leveling boost things during DF

[balmy condor]

I really liked the zone rewards from WoD

Those were cool

[vestal wren]

wod had the best leveling

even if the xpac fell short on many other fronts

[grim jay]

I really liked wod leveling in general

Had a lot of freedom

Wasnt too long

And it bored me the least

[balmy condor]

Idk why they moved away from world quests and bonus objectives

Just as extra things to do while leveling they worked great

[vestal wren]

maybe they take inspiration from timerunning in a future update to leveling

new player experience is still not great

[balmy condor]

Idk what they could take from it tbh

Cloak upgrades during leveling basically is just what heirlooms already do

[vestal wren]

making one xpac a consistent path to max level

[balmy condor]

They already did that though

[spice surge]

LFR and raids during leveling is kinda dope

[vestal wren]

^

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s true

[spice surge]

I like the world boss sweep as well

Besides nalak because he is far away

[marble hemlock]

only works if theres enough people playing though, i think

problem with the current leveling experience in wow is that it doesnt prepare you for the max-level experience at all

[balmy condor]

Story mode

[grim jay]

And that the skill unlocks for some classes are just fucked

[vestal wren]

you also often suffer through painful levels before unlocking core elements to make your class work

[balmy condor]

They’re sorta setting it up with follower dungeons and the delve NPC’s

[grim jay]

Yeah. Looking at warrior unlocking spenders at lv 27

[grim jay]

Yeah gotta see how they balance that in the end

[balmy condor]

Knowing blizzard it’s gonna take all expac to nail down

And then right when they get it at the end of the expac

They’ll make a big post about how much they learned and appreciate the feedback

And then delete it from the game and never talk about it again

[vestal wren]

[marble hemlock]

how did you arrive at that prediction?

[balmy condor]

Islands

Warfronts

[marble hemlock]

seems like youre grasping for straws

[balmy condor]

Azerite

Artifact weapons

Crafting systems since WoD

Torghast

Legendaries in general

Mage tower

[vestal wren]

mission table

[balmy condor]

World events like broken shore

[vestal wren]

archeology

[balmy condor]

Player housing with garrisons

[vestal wren]

to be fair legendary items got a 2nd revision in SL

[balmy condor]

Yeh and then they got turned into embellishments

[sonic schooner]

0.2% upgrade embellish pog

[vestal wren]

and the concept of artifact weapon trees is present in:

• neck in bfa
• covenants in SL
• (hero talents in tww?)

[slate crown]

Imagine trading MA legendary for BSL

[balmy condor]

It’s just more and more watered down each time

[vestal wren]

it kind of makes sense

[balmy condor]

Slowly just fading out

They’re always so excited to say that they’re using the lessons and building on them

[vestal wren]

i think its not watered down, just a try to lower the effort of implementation

[balmy condor]

And then the improvement is just across the board worse

[vestal wren]

because having one more or less talent tree for each spec in the game is a hella effort

[sonic schooner]

And they fail the same way again and again. Only the names change

[vestal wren]

so neck went to "what if we had one talent tree for everyone"

[dark token]

Hero talents seem like a higher effort worse outcome implementation of just having an additional artifact weapon tree per spec

[vestal wren]

and SL they ended up like "well one wasn't that great, lets do more than one"

[balmy condor]

Like you can say legion artifacts were the father of shadowlands soulbinds

[dark token]

I think they can design talents well for 1 spec if they really try

[balmy condor]

Kinda makes sense

Crucible are conduits

Etc

[dark token]

But for 2 specs so far it's not looking great

[balmy condor]

But soulbinds in every way were just worse

[vestal wren]

exactly

[balmy condor]

Very strange that they’re learning from their mistakes and then making the next version worse

[marble hemlock]

netherlight crucible sure was awful

[balmy condor]

Ye but conduits were worse

[marble hemlock]

hmmm

not sure honestly

NLC was really fucking trash

[balmy condor]

It’s not even close for me

[sonic schooner]

Maybe they re learning to make it worse. They never intended to do better

[safe pivot]

I would never

[sonic schooner]

Have you think about that?

[balmy condor]

Interesting theory

[marble hemlock]

needing the relic to titanforge and roll the best azerite trait and the best secondary traits to be an upgrade

and you only had 1 or 2 bases that were good for you

[vestal wren]

the mistake can be that it took too much dev effort too, if you analyze it from a more corporate direction

[balmy condor]

Seeing a relic drop was dopamine for me

Seeing the conduit I’ve been farming for 2 weeks drop from the only dungeon that drops it

Was just relief that it’s over

Like titanforging was shit

100%

But at least when you saw titanforge it was semi exciting

[vestal wren]

hot take, titanforging worked great in m+

[balmy condor]

Now every drop is just

“OH FINALLY AFTER 90 RUNS I GOT NICK OF TIME”

[vestal wren]

like

[balmy condor]

People counting how many courts they ran for their auto attack ring

[vestal wren]

do you prefere great vault roulette

over titanforging?

[balmy condor]

Or their trinket

I didn’t even hate titanforging that much

I think it was extreme for sure

But I’d want to see it return somehow

[vestal wren]

titanforging gave people long term motivation to run m+

no modern system manages that

(unless you enjoy vault roulette for stuff like nick of time)

[violet jackal]

Morning Doomers

[grim jay]

That was gold ngl

I love them

[royal lantern]

forging your items 1-2 upgrade levels would be fine imo

[sonic schooner]

People love to count. I remember so many rogues counting how many time they did top for MA lego. Or idk what was the legendary there

[vestal wren]

legendaty items in legion ended up beeing their own beast

[balmy condor]

The best gearing I’ve seen was from runes of magic, gear would drop with like crit/mast, and you could melt it down and then fuse it into a base item to add that stat to the item

So you would run a bunch of dungeons and stuff to get the fusion stones

And you could get close to bis pretty quick

But it was a bit involved to perfectly fuse every ideal stat

[grim jay]

Its frustrating in a different way tho

[balmy condor]

Would have to start hunting for certain combos and stuff

Was pretty neat

[grim jay]

One thats imo even worse

[vestal wren]

main "fustration" i saw was

"OMG THIS LFR PLAYER HAS A BIS ITEM"

and you would always be like...

sure he has ONE

but he does not do any damage from this lucky drop

[sonic schooner]

i mean, when you re a HOF palret and u see those 2/9hm prog random ret with legendary in valdrakken

u can get pissed

[vestal wren]

why not be happy about him getting something exciting

[grim jay]

I dont like max gear being luck based even more if its that much better is my point mainly

[royal lantern]

....no?

the bard part was that farming old raids and praying for the giga titanforge on tier items/trinkets was a thing

[grim jay]

Especially on time gated attempts

[spice spire]

Why tho

It’s an item in a video game

[royal lantern]

wdym, mythic fyrakk has a 100% drop of the legendary

lol

[spice spire]

Why let it effect you

[vestal wren]

didn't they fix it later by just capping titanforge rolls?

[violet jackal]

How do you even bother to notice someone else progress and gear

[vestal wren]

as much as i liked legion

it very much had a lot of issues initially

[grim jay]

I honestly, while valid in some way, think thats a pretty bad way to argue

[vestal wren]

ap grind, legendary aquisiton, infinite worldquests, ...

[sonic schooner]

pretty sure wasnt, At least earlier on the tier. And even then way more than 1 leggo holder in our raid. He was just so pissed and he raid logged for like 3 months

[royal lantern]

it was

always

lol

mythic fyrakk always drops the axe

[spice spire]

Why let things out of your control effect you was more the point

[royal lantern]

for 1guy

[marble hemlock]

same. items should be able to TF to the max cap of your upgrade path

[grim jay]

Obviously you dont need to let others gear n stuff affect you, but if you are anywhere near a competitive person, its just annoying

[marble hemlock]

so a champion item should be able to drop all the way up to 8/8 already

if you get lucky

[grim jay]

That would be good tf

[marble hemlock]

saves you some crests and shit

[spice spire]

Annoying yes. Mad no

[royal lantern]

that what i said before allready

[balmy condor]

Seethe

[grim jay]

Annoying does affect you tho

[balmy condor]

Ye fair

[royal lantern]

i say it, ignored

green name says it, people agree

class divide in full force

[spice spire]

Maybe for u but I’m diff

[marble hemlock]

problem with TF was that it could just get +60 ilvl

[spice spire]

Bis list tonight king?

[marble hemlock]

any arcano crystal traders

[spice spire]

Real

[vestal wren]

[grim jay]

No. Thats just keeping your composure and telling yourself to not care. If something annoys you it will affect you deep down and it will add up

[balmy condor]

Weird way to realize that people have you blocked I guess

[royal lantern]

log reviews tonight?

[royal lantern]

then i could not do react emotes

[spice spire]

In this Mickey Mouse ahh season? Miss me with that

[violet jackal]

I gotchu