assassination

[lean portal]

not u

[clever sapphire]

okay might be a cooked take from me, i spend more time killing trash than fighting a boss

[potent raven]

i just wana do it as efficient as possible while not sucking major dick on details obviously i dont mind minor difference in dps

[lean portal]

yes arterial will do more overall of course

[grim jay]

Nah its about completing the key faster overall vs killing stupid bosses 5s earlier

[potent raven]

sometimes 5s earlier saves ur key..

[clever sapphire]

also i swap builds around depending on key

[lean portal]

stupid bosses ❓

[clever sapphire]

im not saying shock is the best build

[potent raven]

idk i play by vibe

whatever i feel like

u should try it out

[lean portal]

this convo is nonsense

ppl pushing debating with ppl playing weeklies

just nonsense tbh

[grim jay]

Yeah sure, sounds like a realistic case that happens often

[grim jay]

Are you the one doing weeklies then ig?

Stupid argument

[clever sapphire]

im pretty sure im the only one doing weeklys from the guys arguing

[potent raven]

i was depleting 15s last week have some respect..

[lean portal]

someone just said boss dmg was irrelevant

extremly confused

[grim jay]

In your delulu world maybe

People were talking about the increase

[potent raven]

he ddnt say irrelevant ye he said 30-40k w/e the dps is wont matter that much on boss dps

like it wont change the outcome that much

[lean portal]

but it might

[potent raven]

compared to packs dying faster using the w/e build

[lean portal]

but packs die no matter what

you have sp and fire

ppl wipe keys on bosses not because packs dont die fast enough

[grim jay]

You safe a couple seconds on the boss while losing more seconds on the trash

[lean portal]

youd be surprised how minor the increase is from cleave to arterial on a big bl pull

[grim jay]

[lean portal]

a couple more seconds on HOI third boss or a couple more seconds on the three stupid snakes at the entrance

hmm

[grim jay]

Yeah I guess

[lean portal]

let me pad on these snakes fuck it

[grim jay]

Why should we even have m+ builds

Just go ST

[lean portal]

unironically

debatable

[grim jay]

Its funny that you are literally unable to even relate the right things

[lean portal]

depends on keys and situations and a lot of stuff

[grim jay]

You talk about damage on one in your opinion hard Boss

But say the trash only consists of shitty mobs

[lean portal]

in my opinion no boss is hard i play only rogue

i never healed

[potent raven]

its a call for you to make in the end of what ur grp needs btw

[grim jay]

That do nothing

[potent raven]

if ur doing on the higher end keys well

w/e u wanna call them

i think losing that dps is kinda something

[lean portal]

idc about anything bro if it was up to me i would play arterial cause its more fun and slam overall every keys

just more fun

but then i dont have st dmg and we end up wiping on bosses

how do i do

[potent raven]

if that happens a lot to you then maybe

[grim jay]

Yeah losing 35k is having no St

Because you can just afk with that build

[lean portal]

but you cant say its not relevant no

[grim jay]

On bosses

[lean portal]

are we trying to say 40k is irrelevant

its 7.2M on a 3m fight bro

[grim jay]

Its a relatively minor time safe compared to having way more aoe

[lean portal]

its not way more aoe

is the thing

[grim jay]

It is if you dont just casually hit the sweetspot for cleave aoe

[lean portal]

on a big bl pull you lose dmg

[grim jay]

Which is the pack barely living kb

[lean portal]

how funny is this

if mob lives kb ofc

you just win (a lot) of dmg when you're off cd

but who cares about your off cd dmg bro the sp will take care of the pack relax

im caricatural but you get what i mean

but again im not anti-arterial i play and will play it this week

i was just wondering if its good or not

[potent raven]

few weeks ago i was tryin to play sub in keys now im losing my mind with sin

at least i get more invites

u guys should try sub in keys

[grim jay]

Idk, you just trivialize time spent on trash so much, its really funny

[potent raven]

if u want pure torture

[lean portal]

sub is mega chill bro you litteraly have your hands off keyboard for 20s

[potent raven]

nah

idk true but

small packs

is pain

[lean portal]

when you're off cd as sub you truly are

80k dps

[potent raven]

if u play brew build

u can do fine dps

[lean portal]

y

[potent raven]

just need to rupture literally everything

[lean portal]

wouldnt call it fine dps

but yeah i love sub too

[potent raven]

if the pack is big its alright

even off cds

[lean portal]

maybe honestly

[potent raven]

but sin just a lil better at that tho

[lean portal]

but i dont think

i think the problem when you push comes from wiping on bosses and i want to avoid this at almost any cost

this was my reasonning last season

[strange python]

Lads

yall prefer the cloak

[lean portal]

but last season you actually had good prio targets almost every pack

[strange python]

or diurna finger

?

[lean portal]

this season its not true

[potent raven]

diurna

idk sim it not using the no stam cloak in my life

[lean portal]

so maybe arterial is better cause few packs will live the kb

i just dk

[strange python]

yea was thinkin about the finger

since its mast haste as well

[grim jay]

Can honestly just play Hybrid if they do live the kb

And its way more aoe

Hybrid should imo be better anyways

Than AP

As long as they live the kb

[lean portal]

cleave just way better than hybrid then

hybrid looks like a complete abomination to me ill be honest

[grim jay]

No because Hybrid has the same St as ap

And even higher target scaling.

Together with the advantage of the kb burst that cleave has

[lean portal]

but worse

cause no zoldyck

no zoldyck must feel so obnoxious i cant even think about it

[grim jay]

The execute is worse than upfront damage for packs and on bosses it doesnt matter if you do more on CDs or in execute

If you deal 300k you deal 300k

[lean portal]

hybrid u just have ridiculous dmg off cd

aswl

idk hybrid has the weaknesses of cleave AND arterial

[grim jay]

Idk about that one

As I said, Hybrid potentially has higher aoe

With the same St

[lean portal]

than arterial ?

[grim jay]

Yes

[lean portal]

on cd maybe but off cd not at all

off cd arterial (the talent) and zoldyck actually become relevant

like very relevant

so you have the weakness off cd that cleave has

and the weakness on bosses that arterial has

u just do good on big pulls then permachill but why not play cleave then

[royal lantern]

idk how you feel zoldyck

and i play assa since always

[lean portal]

cause my plater tracks execute range

[grim jay]

You still have the majority of the aoe talents with the exception of zoldyck

[lean portal]

mostly i think

[clever sapphire]

yes you can see zoldyck with plater

[grim jay]

And the execute is literally the time the packs spend the least time in with most Setups

[clever sapphire]

but feeling it?

thtats like saying i can feel 10% more haste

[lean portal]

i can tho

10% haste ? its big

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-peace-gif-10549939500999441284

[lean portal]

zoldyck im not feeling shit ngl

especially in mm

[grim jay]

Dont let Whispyr read the haste thing

[lean portal]

in raid you see your dps going up a bit

[nimble zinc]

Same. My dps always doubles on packs when mobs get below 35% health

[lean portal]

ok

[grim jay]

And dont say the haste thing again

[lean portal]

why

[grim jay]

It makes you lose all credibility

[lean portal]

? why XD

[grim jay]

You for a fact barely notice the 10% haste

[lean portal]

i went from sub gear haste (- 2) to like 18-20

i feel it

whats wrong

[royal lantern]

how do you feel the haste

[lean portal]

cause i see my kinsbane going higher i see that i press more spells idk its a lot of things

you dont feel faster when you press bl ?

tf are you saying guys

our entire burst revolves on haste

feel free to enjoy the haste

[royal lantern]

yes, cus it makes number go higher

it doesnt have a gameplay impact

[lean portal]

oh yeah very little "gameplay" impact

but you feel it when you have 10% more haste from gear

[jade carbon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[grim jay]

Idk. Seeing numbers isnt feeling

[lean portal]

maybe i use wrong word then

[grim jay]

And I dont increase my haste to see higher numbers

I use a sim

[lean portal]

same thing

but my sim was extremly concerned with my % of haste after i re-spec

[grim jay]

Yeah because it was insanely low there

[fluid drift]

again a question to macros. The only macro you can bind for burst is dance with kinbsbane, right?

[scenic nacelle]

I guess you could. The only macro I use personally is Ashes to Kingsbane

[potent raven]

its so hard to be a melee

holy

[hearty reef]

these bluds want me to have 14s of melee uptime without acro

[spice spire]

Yeah

Krill issue tbh

[potent raven]

i rly need to put more effort into keys

just auto piloting not working rn

bricked my 14bh just awful feeling

and it was on me

[gaunt mortar]

Does anyone have a website i can go to , to look up what are the best raiders for sin rogues are running?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-krill-world-krill-lobster-lobster-fried-krill-fried-gif-7150912747510295957

[royal lantern]

wowhead

cus the guides are all the builds that are used

[spice spire]

More specifically you can just use Warcraft logs for specific fights

[gaunt mortar]

ok for wowhead does it show the best crafted peices as well ppl are using or would that be WCL?

[woeful meteor]

1 Yes
2 you run 2x bsl anyway just craft your highest simming slot for it

[royal lantern]

^

[gaunt mortar]

ok thanks

[orchid pewter]

Wtf

[dark token]

Blizzard

[hearty reef]

mb for not playing the class with one spell same as company's

[earnest remnant]

just hit the boss

[hearty reef]

ic without acro also feels a bit off

unforch

[royal lantern]

ic is literally not affected by acro

jesus christ

[hearty reef]

sure mb

it's how many yards around you?

[spice spire]

8 around the target iirc

[hearty reef]

ty

[rotund jungle]

Dreamwalker's Healing Potion are thje best heal pots atm arent they ?

[spiral mist]

how grief is this for keys?

[clever sapphire]

dtb without amp? that just feels wrong to me

also ct without SD

this just looks cursed

[spiral mist]

i like the cleave build
but wanted to get CT with it

[woeful meteor]

all builds play the same just go for one with CT then

dtb without amp is a dead talent

[spiral mist]

ye i realized that aswell xD

[chilly grove]

is it worth to switch from outlaw to assa for high keys 15+? i heard assa got buff?

[violet jackal]

There a toxic one that heals for 500k

[dark token]

Good for tyran weeks

[dark token]

Wrong

It's for kingsbane procs you don't care about the amp poison that much

Instant poison has same flat dmg, amp poison just has additional envenom dmg

Yes it's a loss but not that big of a loss, 3% or so

This build has the highest single target besides cleave build

While keeping ct for trash

[last musk]

yo guys !
do you know how i can modify the combo points above the enemy target nameplate ? i dont want to make them look different. i only want to adjust their size etc.

[dark token]

It's quite good in high tyran keys where both trash and bosses live a long time

[fallen arch]

This discord is gonna be flooded with fotm andys shortly

[fluid drift]

not doing that. if i did, i would use dance in macro too, but i want to delay from time to time, so think thats bad

[dark token]

Why

Rogue sucks

[fallen arch]

The Echo boys found that sin seems good

Gingi might try it

For some keys

[dark token]

It's good but not as good as god comp

[fallen arch]

Sins damage profile seems pretty good for some higher keys

[dark token]

Fire mage has same dmg profile

While providing buff to ur shadowpriest

And more defensives

And lust

Sin would be good if it wasn't god comp again

[fallen arch]

Doesnt aug provide lust?

[dark token]

Yes but not int and you can't live top top keys like 20

[fallen arch]

I hve nothing on your other remarks 😂

Naowh immediately said ye fuck it let me play prot warr then

[dark token]

Like the dmg is good, profile is good

[fallen arch]

He was like ‘ why the fuck do rogues have 300 energy all of a sudden ‘

[dark token]

But mage is just more utility and defense

[fallen arch]

[dark token]

And I think slightly more dmg than assa

If played optimally

[cursive owl]

Bonespike OwO

[fallen arch]

What’s with bonespike

[cursive owl]

@clever sapphire

i heard this is our new tactic BIS trinket Kappa

[clever sapphire]

i mean if we get 100% crit this is gonna do a lot of dmg

so it adds up

i could actually see this simming really well in aoe with max crit

[cursive owl]

leave 100% out

we need 70

i am thinking of getting this with Essence

or the Primal trinket

Incarnation or Chromatic essence

[clever sapphire]

do they all give similiar stats? or does one give more

i really am not up with those statsticks

aight 13 neltharus, do i go with shock build or cleave build

[potent raven]

shock

obviously

[clever sapphire]

fun fact, i was thinking about pinging you

[slate crown]

If you are using default nameplates from blizzard and not an addon, the only thing you can do is remove them. That's it.

If you want to do more to adjust how they look, like their size, etc, you'd need to get an addon and that addon would have settings for you. There are many popular nameplate addons, like Plater or Neatplates

[waxen oyster]

You’ll never get full icon value

no tank or healer plays it

[potent raven]

its just very aoe heavy

id only go cleave on rlp

and even on that id not actually

[clever sapphire]

nah ruby im gonna go cleave for sure

i just wasnt sure about neltharus

[hollow mantle]

whats the build difference on runing DTB + AP and DTB + Sudden demise on Mplus?

[past forum]

ez just gaslight them into thinking its bis "no need to check wowhead just trust me bro"

[last musk]

i have no problem downloading betterblizzplates but i dont want any other changes that come with it. Only the combo points modification and nothing else. Is it possible ?

[slate crown]

I know that it is possible but I do not know which addon you should use. I poked around a bit in NeatPlates and found that there was a blizzard-like option which is probably your best bet

I do not know more about customizing the addons, only that they offer customization options

[last musk]

Hmm so I should try Neat plates ?

[slate crown]

If you'd like, it's an option.

I use plater instead but plater overhauls the visuals, and you said you wanted to specifically keep how they look

[last musk]

Ok thanks 😊 I hope i find a solution

[west crown]

New to retail here, why does the bis list have fire procs as bis when we don't do fire damage?

Other than the on use

[gusty mirage]

helm enchant does fire damage

[fallen arch]

Head enchant

And we have more ways to do fire damage

Grieftorch is fire damage too right

And ring

[west crown]

Ty

[cursive owl]

Incarnation gives most stats

[gusty mirage]

and the ring has the same amount of stats as any other ring, so you're not giving up any stats for the damage proc

it's just free damage

[potent raven]

did u time it @clever sapphire

its a hard dungeon i didnt bother w it at all

[buoyant moat]

any way to have details not create a new dps instance after vanish on a target dummy?

[potent raven]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[buoyant moat]

o7

[clever sapphire]

yap, had 3 minutes left or so with a few scuffed pulls and almost a wipe

timed a 14 academy after that

[clever sapphire]

even when you are the only one with it?

[potent raven]

ez

[clever sapphire]

also shock build was pretty good in that key

could have been better if i played around with my vanish a bit more

but man destro lock dmg breakdown just hits different

[cursive owl]

yes

i checked it

[clever sapphire]

big

soon you will have the dmg breakdown of havoc dh players from last season

[potent raven]

XDd

[clever sapphire]

reminds me of shadowlands s3 i think

[cursive owl]

xDDD

i will try get shit done now

hmm OwO is it worth getting the negineer head now with single stat CRIT ? xD

[clever sapphire]

you should probably look at all the gear you can get and put it into raidbots or somewhere where you can check the stats you would have

[cursive owl]

mhm

so

current gear, tweaked some enchants and socket

[potent raven]

guys im ngl

i watched some mage gameplay

shit looks fun af

its time to reroll

[cursive owl]

current stats @clever sapphire

[clever sapphire]

only mage spec i enjoy is arcane

[clever sapphire]

getting closer i see

[potent raven]

i watched a guy play fire

it looked nice

[clever sapphire]

is that with crit flask?

[cursive owl]

its with crit falsk

[potent raven]

u using augury?

i think it unironically might be good LOL

[cursive owl]

no augury

[potent raven]

?

show ur gear

how tf u are 55 crit

[potent raven]

i see

what is ur 1 trinket

[cursive owl]

incarnation

[clever sapphire]

stat stick from s1 council

[cursive owl]

700 ish critz

[potent raven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1152549919840817273/1245392787008913438/image.png?ex=665895ea&is=6657446a&hm=acd3cb5c0408c4954bfb9338bbf0610581fc2696907713e9769a2e337e7f500c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

bro how low is my crit

[cursive owl]

too Low KEKW

[potent raven]

np vers/mastery crafts

na

i sim

366k dps sth

st

its good

[cursive owl]

O_O

well i have 508

and sim 270 :>

[potent raven]

ur simmin wrong then

[cursive owl]

HOW LUL

[potent raven]

idk

send ur sim

[cursive owl]

patchwerk

5 min

ST

wdym

[potent raven]

ye

i wann see

[cursive owl]

1 sec

169/199

we need to wait 😄

[potent raven]

lmao

send me ur inputi ll just do it

rq

i have premium im a nerdlol

[cursive owl]

its loading

u can wait

be patient

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rvXMAADXe9qw9ZPjGfTeR6

im Amirdrasil HC now so no fast response :3 tag me if there are any related messages for me

[potent raven]

ye but u have

spatter instead of internal

[cursive owl]

yes and ?

[potent raven]

i mean

[cursive owl]

does it makes a diffrence of 40k dps ?

[split mural]

at least it looks pleasing number wise

[cursive owl]

it does

its alright

but i like mine more OwO

[potent raven]

ye well

its 10k

still something

[cursive owl]

Brash

Brah

idc

[potent raven]

so its nearly 300k

? r u normal XD

[spiral mist]

is class trinket just there to highroll during cd's?

[dark token]

am i gear capped https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dcEoBs1WEJ5zAg7jbFtqvH no more upgrades

[cursive owl]

give me a bossfight that is not halfway cleave OwO

Nymue is maybe O-o

[clever sapphire]

no you can get better offhand

[potent raven]

how

hahaha u have champion nick

baited

[dark token]

FUCK dont remind me

[clever sapphire]

you asked

[dark token]

i cant believe that group

[clever sapphire]

i answered

[split mural]

whats the better offhand

[dark token]

they baited me with hardmode in title

it wasnt hardmode

[potent raven]

heroic nick

[dark token]

i asked in chat is it hard mode

they said yes

it wasnt hardmode

[potent raven]

frozen u just have the best gear in the world

for some reason

[split mural]

why is heroic better

[dark token]

its called bullion

[potent raven]

oh u got the cape

do u only use it for raids

it sims 3k for me

is it worth it then?

[wanton spear]

is it stat weights seal of fillal duty keeps simming under the crit ring from AA for me i think i just have too much mastery, i'm at 89% mast with 40% crit

[split mural]

frozen show stats

[spice spire]

Stats literally don’t matter

Just plug into robot

And sim

[past bobcat]

ilvl>stats

Unless it's timestrike dagger

[spice spire]

Specific numbers and whatnot literally mean nothing.

[cursive owl]

So

RIP i gues

i messed up 2 KB windows

pressed Shiv twice x)

[slate crown]

the only number that matters is your number

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qG6C9gAKMuGcHAx8PjtneK

then why is my sim telling me to replace ring enchants huh???????

(dont take this serious pls)

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

I’m going to eat your ass

[royal lantern]

i love delusional crafters

60k for the fucking mainstat gem

sure

[clever sapphire]

man im lucky my guild has a guy who can pretty much craft anything

i prob wouldnt have crafted anything this season if i didnt have the guy

[dark token]

no pi ethics

[kind forge]

There is one positive Soviet

[slate crown]

This isn't real

this can't be real

I charge 5k for guaranteed, any-price-you-want for proc chance

[dark token]

tell him does it come with deep tissue massage

[slate crown]

Also FYI if they cite 42% chance they are either not a draenei, or they are and don't know what they're doing

Draenei if fully maxed have 72% chance at r3

[keen spruce]

Stats

[royal lantern]

mate

its just

60k

for ANY craft

what the fuck

[slate crown]

absurd

[royal lantern]

maybe in the first 2 days of the expansion itself

[dark token]

i paid less for week 1 lariat

[slate crown]

It requires an insight to guarantee so I understand some degree of charging

but like

[dark token]

i paid 20k for week 1 lariat

[slate crown]

60k is delusional

[dark token]

what is 60k

[keen spruce]

60k is actual serial killer behavior

[waxen oyster]

gems you just list on public order

for 500g

[keen spruce]

What planet do you live on to think that’s okay lol

[waxen oyster]

if any sizable server

[spice surge]

week 1 was different

Some servers had it significantly more expensive than 60k, the recipe was gold cap so they wanted to recoup their costs

[slate crown]

Lariat was essential for everyone tho

So like

[spice surge]

Ye

[slate crown]

You're going to recoup that cost whether you charge 60k or 5k

[spice surge]

So if youre the only one with the recipe

[dark token]

next week im gonna try crab build

every boss

[royal lantern]

eleem yes

but this is a simple mainstat+haste gem

[slate crown]

60k isn't "recoup cost" charging, it's "I want to gouge you to shit" charging

Just because of how many crafts you do with it

[spice surge]

Well if youre the only one on the server with the recipe

You can charge whatever the fuck you want

[slate crown]

Well yeah of course

[royal lantern]

its silvermoon

EU

thats not a small server

[slate crown]

afaik we never had a one-person situation on Sargeras NA

there were only a handful but they were competing

wasn't a monopoly

Or if we did it was for like aday

[keen spruce]

Stormrage is the same. A handful of big crafters that all cover all professions and are basically always online on demand. Occasionally you find a small one that has better prices.

[potent raven]

we killed smolderon

in 2 pulls

i played sub tho

they making me fly bro

ggs

[clever sapphire]

im not gonna play sub on smolderon either

[potent raven]

ну швл црн

idk why i did

i suck at thi spec

big dicks

i play it on tindral too rn

idk if i should

genuinely

[clever sapphire]

nah feck that

go assa

have fun

[potent raven]

need st dps

[clever sapphire]

ye go assa

have fun

[potent raven]

m guild

[clever sapphire]

im telling you

[potent raven]

is too srs

abt this

ngl

[clever sapphire]

tell them you suck ass on sub and you will do more ST on assa even if you dont get pi

[potent raven]

ok ill try one pull

nah

i dont

[clever sapphire]

they dont need to know

[potent raven]

i do ok dps on sub XDXD but ye

my first time

doing that

my brain is fckd from not playing sub in too long

was remembering what button my symbols is on

[clever sapphire]

why the feck is this 1k gold

[potent raven]

ikr

valid question

[slate crown]

I'm almost certain

crafting cost is way cheaper

not normally the case because commodity crafts tend to be under-profit and rely on multis

but 1k is higher than they usuaully have been to craft lately

sec

[torpid estuary]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[slate crown]

Damn are you on EU? they're only ~250 on NA

300 to craft

[clever sapphire]

yap eu (blackrock to be specific)

i mean im used to prices around the 300 range

so i was surprised aswell

[potent raven]

im doing it

playing assa on tindral

its so cancer with no acro

[clever sapphire]

ah ye some bosses take some getting used to if you swap from acro to no acro

[waxen oyster]

tindral is a cancer boss

regardless of what you play

[slate crown]

About his hitbox, I noticed this last night but

the little circle around him grows when he turns into moonkin

[waxen oyster]

fat owl

[slate crown]

but I felt like the actual hitbox didn't change form his human form

is that true?

I imagine it's true

[dark token]

absolutely

CURSED

killtime

[slate crown]

was real annoying, but also the tanks were cluelessly dragging it in awful directions so probably contributed

[potent raven]

sometimes i press

envenom or mutilate

it goes off right

but it doesnt actually cast

does anybody else have this problem

like i hear the sound and everything but it doesnt actually go off

[clever sapphire]

ye sometimes it happens to me in raid but i never actually know why

[potent raven]

yes in raid

[clever sapphire]

i just assume i turn away from the boss last second or it runs out of range or some shit like that

[potent raven]

happens only in raid lol

that could happen

[clever sapphire]

that was the reason i told myself atleast so i can say that its my fault and not a shitty game

[north granite]

Parry

[clever sapphire]

as long as its not KB parry im "fine" with it

[north granite]

Parry such a goofy word dude like it just struck me

Parry

Ahahahahha

[slate crown]

Yes it has happened to me typically when the mob is just barely in melee range and is moving and moves just out of range between when I cast and when the server receives the request or something, not entirely sure, it's an edge case that only happens when I'm, well, on the edge, of melee range

It's not often

[potent raven]

wait tindral just parried my kb

[slate crown]

but does happen

[potent raven]

not playing this spec anymore

[earnest remnant]

i have a fix for you

stop staring at his face

[potent raven]

[earnest remnant]

and stand behind him

[dark token]

my mouse cursor is moving

[potent raven]

im tryin

[dark token]

when im double clicking nouse

[keen spruce]

Pretty sure sound animation starts client side, hit registers server side? Boss moves in between.

[dark token]

it should disappear

im getting tilted

[keen spruce]

Or something

Idk I’m not a geologist

[earnest remnant]

no you a frog

[keen spruce]

Not frog

[clever sapphire]

im usually close to just "accidentlly" dying to anything close to me

when that happens

[potent raven]

B)

my guild wiping cuz new healers

smh

[clever sapphire]

we are gonna wipe cause like 6-7 people are new

im already scared of tindral prog

one of them is a tank

[keen spruce]

I love standing 89 degrees to the side of a boss that’s as tall as a 3 story building, stabbing him in the ankle and he takes the time to swing his pinky nail down to parry me

While a warlock literally calls infernal demons from the burning legion onto his head

[clever sapphire]

you know whats even more fun, when im standing behind boss when i press my kb and the tanks decide to do a spin to win moment and turn the boss 180 degrees so my kb gets parried

[keen spruce]

[potent raven]

yeah we have some ppl who havent done the boss ever, oh well

just dispelled right under the boss happens

[clever sapphire]

was it a dispell or did the guy die

thats the question

[potent raven]

dispell apparently

its ok as long as im still playing

dont mind practicing a little its fun

preparing for next season no acro on each boss

[clever sapphire]

i mean onetime our monk decided to cast his mass dispell healing thingy because one of the healers died and the monk himself decided its a wipe

[potent raven]

kinda based

[grand trail]

beating warriors single target feel so good

[potent raven]

im failing my trial bruh

[clever sapphire]

because they are too bad to kill tindral?

[potent raven]

ye but i die

cuz im trynna fit my shiv

into him

and the tnak drags him

thru flames

legit getting cancer

its ok im figuring it out rn

ways to do it

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[potent raven]

literally bro

[clever sapphire]

only happens to me at 1 min mark when i try to kb during the roots into portal

[potent raven]

that too

[clever sapphire]

and im too greedy to not stick to boss

i just try to not proc cheat death till then and thats that

[potent raven]

xddd

smart

[rough moss]

hey guys, someone could take a look at my logs and tell me what's wrong ? i dont understand

[dark token]

why is nymue so cringe killtime

also larodar

[clever sapphire]

just send it in here, you will probably have a few people look at it

[gusty mirage]

that's the neat part, they've always been cringe killtimes

[rough moss]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6zXvDjNVQAfHMy7C#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=17 i compared with people same ilv, same duration, i dont understand what can explain 60k dps difference

[gusty mirage]

it's just by the time they got giga cringe, assassination got nerfed into being tank dps

[potent raven]

kill timer

[gusty mirage]

no augvoker, no wft, no PI, no monk debuff

bad kill time

no wft and no PI alone are like almost 35k dps

[storm belfry]

say his words

[gusty mirage]

there were 3 PIs

and none went to the assa rogue

wild

[rough moss]

wft ?

[gusty mirage]

windfury totem

[rough moss]

but for the rotation it's ok ?

oh ok

[storm belfry]

Wind fury totem

[gusty mirage]

windfury totem is like 13k-14k dpsish? I cba to check

PI is like 21k dps

so that alone

you're fucked if you're trying to parse

[rough moss]

oh ok

i'm not really trying to parse, juste to make things right lol

[gusty mirage]

esp mythic where you're competing against guilds with proper lineups

rotation seems fine, rupture uptime is a little low

esp for volcoross

should be closer to 98%, and you're at 94.5%, but that's def not that big of a deal

[rough moss]

yea i think i focus too much on envenom uptime and sometime i drop rupture

[gusty mirage]

tbh most of the dps issues there is your raid comp is caca

and they're PIing a destro warlock (lol?) in ST

like

lmao

[spice spire]

Most egregious thing I saw was some wasted cp

One extra envenom worth

[gusty mirage]

like

lol?

havoc dh and destro lock over the assa rogue

[wanton spear]

anyone know how to change the font size in luxthos weak auras? I'm a boomer and can't read the tiny font

[proven jasper]

haters bro

[wanton spear]

i have like 4 different guildies well versed in WA that can't find where the numbers are being pulled from

[proven jasper]

smh

[gusty mirage]

idk how they can hate throwing away 10k dps

but what do I know

pugs gonna pug ig

[proven jasper]

they dont wanna see the rogues winning

classic pug

[storm belfry]

Hi cutie pie

[rough moss]

ok guys, reassuring me about my playing lol, thanks !

[spice spire]

Hey king miss u

[gusty mirage]

ye you're doing fine, there's like minor shit you can work on but everything looks good

i.e. keep cp waste to a minimum if you can, rupture 98% uptime pref 99%, but ye

rotation seems fine

not much wrong

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

also atrocious kill time for your CDs def doesn't help

was your BM hunter dead or just AFK

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

have you finally returned to us from resto druid prison

[storm belfry]

I am in an identity crisis

[gusty mirage]

same

I keep trying to escape ravenholdt but @earnest remnant wont let me leave

[storm belfry]

Been playing warlock per usual outside of healing

[earnest remnant]

hell nah

imma fcking fly out to murica and drag you back

[storm belfry]

Funny enough I even got ce on my lock instead of my rdruid 1/9 M

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

@stuck knoll stealthi's threatening to kidnap me again

[stuck knoll]

I'm gonna help him

[gusty mirage]

wtf

https://tenor.com/view/why-just-why-but-why-monkey-gif-18202838286539704455

[shy pecan]

Same

[earnest remnant]

why is there an F

inside the why?

[gusty mirage]

idk man

I just work here

[gray crest]

Did someone say international human trafficking?

[gusty mirage]

yes mr. fbi help me

[junior aurora]

can u traffick me somewhere international

[gusty mirage]

roujin I miss you

[gray crest]

miss you too buddy. but also my brain hurts atm

[shy pecan]

Same

[gusty mirage]

roujin was my longest rogue friend in raid until our guild disbanded

[junior aurora]

come be a retirement home heroic raider oxi

[gusty mirage]

I've pugged exactly 3 heroics this season

and I'm good

I'd rather retirement home my way into quitting wow altogether

[ruby birch]

what even changed

to make dev overtake assa

[gusty mirage]

no clue tbh

[shy pecan]

Same

[gusty mirage]

I haven't even visited wowhead in the last 3 months

its been great

wowhead writer btw

[ruby birch]

idc im still saying assa is best pi target

[gusty mirage]

I think dev just gets bonkers dps from the opening lust

so it hard carries them

[junior aurora]

yea full mastery benefit

[proven jasper]

lust+pi on opener for them is disgusting yea

[ruby birch]

we got enough pis in my guild anyways

i dont gotta worry

we run 3-4 priests

[junior aurora]

never enough piss

[ruby birch]

assa really need everything though

its annoying

[grand trail]

guiys can i get quick advice with cds on smolderon? never played assa ther ebefore

[ruby birch]

WFT, PI, Warrior Shout, DH debuff, Monk Debuff

[ruby birch]

you would just pop cds normally

on pull, then kb dance for first dmg phase

all cds for second

so on

[grand trail]

cool

[junior aurora]

can hold dm for first dmg phase if u BL there

[ruby birch]

true

if you BL anywhere else though just pop normal

things work out fine for sin since you have 1min and 2min

[earnest remnant]

"International human borrowing"

[potent raven]

first time

i see it drop

in my life

wait if i forgot to loot the boss

will i still get my aspects or no

or do i have to go back now

im playing no spatter on larodar

[slate crown]

Should be mailed to you

[potent raven]

hmmm

i see

[clever sapphire]

id play it

[potent raven]

genuinely ye

experimental

maybe spatter was always troll on this boss lets see

ok im not gnna troll

[clever sapphire]

spatter aint troll on larodar wut

[slate crown]

Gotta accelerate opener if you're doing it to catch the first wave

It's fine either way probably, if others in your raid are nuking adds quickly before they get to the boss, then spatter is irrelevant

But it does do damage and isn't troll to take

I'm running it every time because I'm playing in pugs and can't rely on raid to consistently get the adds down quickly

[potent raven]

ye ik

i mean

figured

im woated

if i optimize my tindral a little bit i can get a a 90+

no way im ever getting that on sub being forced to play st

[potent raven]

hm i cant loot it

for some reason

[fierce tulip]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant helm]

[potent raven]

746k?

wtf..

[distant helm]

[earnest remnant]

just tell people to not touch them adds

free cleave for days

[distant helm]

i think i beat r1 gnarl by 80k

lmao

[potent raven]

how tho

did u acc do that

told ppl not to touch adds?

[distant helm]

not realy

lemme see

[earnest remnant]

sometimes it just be like that

[distant helm]

i actually did less add dmg

then r2

haha

i just did 8m more boss dmg

[potent raven]

beast

[earnest remnant]

just proc during dms

its that easy

[distant helm]

ye

its just rng

tbh

[azure basalt]

bro cheating rng

[earnest remnant]

did you run wafting or sophic

cuz imagine the highroll with sophic during amp

[distant helm]

when i saw myself going to like 850k dps on details i knew i was critting and wafting procced

nah double wafting

i had wafting + cloak proc in dmg amp

• 90% crit crate on kingsbane

[azure basalt]

and a stat stealer? broooo...

[distant helm]

gotta be done

[vagrant spoke]

could anyone help me on what to buy with my 2 tokens? https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Aspiradora

[clever sapphire]

id say ashes so that you get it on mythic ilvl, unless your sim tells you otherwise and/or you will kill smolderon mythic soon

[hearty coral]

hi.. is assa good for m+? or is outlaw too good for not playing it? Also which one has better st and mass aoe? Thanks

[balmy condor]

outlaw is a bit better in general, but neither one is meta

[silk bane]

bro didnt even ask about sub. that one hurts

[hearty coral]

for me sub is the pvp spec XD

[balmy condor]

pvp spec in 2024

[hearty coral]

and about mass aoe and st which one has best dmg for it?

assa looks more fun

[balmy condor]

holy shit get dunked sub players

[balmy condor]

theyre about the same, assa has burst, outlaw doesnt

[hearty coral]

assa looks more ninja for me and rogue wise

[silk bane]

sins mroe fun to me too. its very very strong. u can go for a more ST oriented build and do much better single target than outlaw, but also less aoe its a trade off

[hearty coral]

outlaw is like a pirate

[silk bane]

i dont think specs coming back from this one imma be honest.

[hearty coral]

i don't play rogue since legion.. Its hard to play? I mean, ppl expect from u stuns, zaps, and cc for mobs or u are fine just givin them stealth and interrupting

[silk bane]

depends on what key level you do, but generally just kick, blind when u need to and maybe kidney when needed and youre fine

[hearty coral]

so assa is fine then. Cause i love daggers more than swords

[silk bane]

ye

[hearty coral]

thanks.. Ill get the crow from legion, it looks amazing

[stable arch]

Do I use ambush in m+ while stealthed / Shadow dance?

[balmy condor]

if you aren't spreading bleeds yes

[silk bane]

what if MA was instead of CBs place? lemme cook

[spice spire]

[stable arch]

ty

[silk bane]

ty

[balmy condor]

bro just wants sub buffs

[silk bane]

bro ill take anything at this point

legit anything

[spice spire]

Anything?

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/anything-saturday-night-live-whatever-it-is-you-name-it-anything-at-all-gif-25237685

[spice spire]

Say less papi

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-coming-gif-20814622

omw over

picking up oxi first

[earnest remnant]

[silk bane]

bros jealous

[spice spire]

Mf don’t you have better things to do than horny watch me damn

[earnest remnant]

my BS sense was tingling

[austere sorrel]

Hi. x2 bsl is our best option? For raids and m+? And are boots a fine slot option?

[balmy condor]

yes

to all of those

[austere sorrel]

Tyty

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-6533142189269812111

[spice spire]

Hate ur ass I s2g

[royal lantern]

why

its a fine ass

[spice spire]

Because

[grim jay]

sims aside, would you use neltharions trinket over torch in m+ @balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

no

[serene solar]

Are you guys just using ashes and torch in all content?

[balmy condor]

most are, yes

[serene solar]

Alright cool. I remember one of your vids mentioning icon is a ton of crit and it seems good in aoe

[balmy condor]

yeh

there's a couple of aoe trinkets that you could do

icon, pips

nelths

but people aren't playing them

[serene solar]

I am so used to torch and boon cause I play outlaw xD

[balmy condor]

partly cause of the grief bug

partly cause of the on-demand damage and the single target

partly cause things like nelth are fucking awful rng, icon needs your party to wear it as well

[serene solar]

Yeah that is fair. Do you like using boon for keys? I personally like the crazy dps it brings but would you just run that and ember?

[distant helm]

is it somehow possible to check on logs to how much % amp the kingsbane went? kinda interested to see if we cross 1000%

[ocean smelt]

kush actually started running nelth+ashes

[loud light]

nothing can replace the joy of getting grieftorch resets though

[balmy condor]

you always run ember, the second is kinda whatever

[serene solar]

Alright, thanks! 😄

[balmy condor]

you should always ben crossing 1000%

so no worries there

only way to check realisitically is go to the events and count it up

[distant helm]

hm, to how much do we roughly go currently?

[balmy condor]

during lust and pi you hit the cap of 1980

quite easily

if you get lucky you hit that cap without pi

[distant helm]

hm ok, isnt that TWW change p significant then?

[balmy condor]

nightstalker remvoval is a good chunk of it

kingsbane also got a baseline buff to compensate

but overall it's like 20-25% nerf yeah

[distant helm]

ah rip

i guess it will make us less of a pi target aswell

[balmy condor]

also means no tea on kingsbane either anymore

and probably no ma

[royal python]

Does anyone know of pi target priority list

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet

[silk bane]

who needs tea, we're CB games now

🪙

[plush arch]

Whoever gives the priest the most gold

[distant helm]

guess we prob will play a lot different in tww, not a bad thing

[balmy condor]

I don't really think so

just won't be doing all the crazy timings for kb

[serene solar]

So assa dead next expac 😦 sadge

lol

[balmy condor]

what

[serene solar]

im kidding 🙂

[balmy condor]

the yellow name almost baited me

[distant helm]

i just hope they keep the burst within the spec

kingsbane just feels good

[serene solar]

Honestly, I am curious to see how the next expac changes up all the classes and specs. I really hope all three rogue specs are still fun and pumping

[ancient tangle]

assa is doing more than sub atm isn't it ? even without the wcl log bug ?

[balmy condor]

about the same

[ancient tangle]

in raid

oh really ?

[serene solar]

Good to know, been wondering that myself. Had no idea where sub was since they are bugged on logs.

[distant helm]

pi just skews it a bit into assas favour

• sub log bug

[balmy condor]

like they're close enough to where your kill times matter more than the spec

[ancient tangle]

ok

even with pi ?

[balmy condor]

pi puts assa ahead a bit

but gotta remember that pi is like 5%

not 50 :P

[ancient tangle]

lol ye

but 5% is big

[serene solar]

Are there fights where you guys ever hold things to line up with vuln phases? Like smolderon or something?

[balmy condor]

no

[serene solar]

okay I didn't think so but wanted to make sure.

[ruby birch]

Naturally lines up for Smold man

DM for every other, KB every

[unreal heath]

whats the torch sprint tech?

[balmy condor]

It definitely doesn’t what

[balmy condor]

If you’re moving and the mobs are moving, something something spaghetti big damage lots of extra hits

[strange python]

im swapping my gear from sub to sin. i saw the stats we want. but is there a certain amount of haste we want? then just dump everything mastery and crit?

[balmy condor]

You want item level

Secondaries are whatever

If you’re going min-maxing and granular and you’re like 525 equipped or whatever then sim yourself

[strange python]

im not yet. i played it last week but i was at like 5% haste bc of sub and it felt terrible

[balmy condor]

Won’t feel better at 20% either

[strange python]

im just trying to see if i craft ring and neck mast crit or mast haste

it wont?

[balmy condor]

No

[strange python]

i just felt energy starved

[proven jasper]

Welcome to assassination in st

[slate crown]

feeling energy starved is also a mindset thing

Yeah, welcome to assassination

Like

[strange python]

haha

ok so just mast crit? mainly