assassination

[grim jay]

Well wrists can be terrible depending on what you do

[cursive owl]

on Long term , is the Dagger better than the Absorb RIng ? cause dagger is weapon and base dmg is weapon based so

[normal mist]

Offhand?

Offhand isn't important

[cursive owl]

recently took crit away for more mastery and it feels worse to play

[normal mist]

Rip seal of fate

[cursive owl]

nah , but i would just switch 1 weapon for it like the crit mastery dagger seems quit GOOD

[grim jay]

Depends on how much. Like 1 item is probably Imagination

My m+ setup currently has 51% crit tho

[cursive owl]

i was Capping Stage 4 on crit, i was running around with 60% xD

[grim jay]

[cursive owl]

Without buffs tbh

[stuck knoll]

Off hand doesn’t factor into AA damage mh ilvl is most important

[grim jay]

Yeah idk how much it is without. Like. 45?

[cursive owl]

with runes and buffood and Fial i was around 65 %

[grim jay]

Sin just likes some crit in m+ it seems

[cursive owl]

i play assa Kappa

Never touched sin

[normal mist]

Sinner

[grim jay]

[cursive owl]

fk sin , assa is more fun to play

[quiet oar]

Always sinning for you

[inner urchin]

[cursive owl]

SO

dagger yes or no ?

[grim jay]

Just because im not entirely sure if you are memeing

Its the same

[cursive owl]

nah , fr i dont play sin. i did it once season 1 and didnt liked it at all

[inner urchin]

Buy what you want

[cursive owl]

OK

[inner urchin]

also sin = assasination

[cursive owl]

HUH O_O

[inner urchin]

assassination

[cursive owl]

Cap

FR ?

[stuck knoll]

Ye

[grim jay]

Yes

[inner urchin]

nah i dont play balance, I play boomkin

[stuck knoll]

Are you thinking of sub?

[cursive owl]

OMG

YES

[grim jay]

Because people dont wanna call it ass

[cursive owl]

i thought sin is sub xD#

[inner urchin]

sub, combat, sin

these are the three

[cursive owl]

i call it Assa c:

[inner urchin]

miss me with that outlaw jank

[quiet oar]

[cursive owl]

OK

[quiet oar]

Found the boomer

@grim jay

You are not alone

[inner urchin]

It's combat, you ain't no pirate or thug

...although... thug rogue...

[cursive owl]

the forgive me Incompetence, Sin is the Best Sin i can get through OwO

[stuck knoll]

Looking at droptimiser they’re same damage and oh doesn’t matter as much so I’d say ring for the defensive aspect (assuming you have a socket saved)

[cursive owl]

uhhh no socket saved , but Dagger is easier farmed then Ring so i gues i go for the RIng

[grim jay]

Obviously I aint

Oxi is older aswell

Iirc

[royal lantern]

i get it, you play pathfinder

[cursive owl]

Work is calling o/ talk to you laters

[inner urchin]

I don't actually

Farewell

[stuck knoll]

Damn talking about boomers without even mentioning Seli or Quake feels unethical

[inner urchin]

It's kinda wild for me to think that I'm lumped into "wow boomer" category

granted, I did start in TBC

[grim jay]

Its boomer in general

Not only wow

Dw

[quiet oar]

You dont need to be old, to be a boomer

[inner urchin]

But the true "cool kids" reject me saying that I didn't play during vanilla

[stuck knoll]

I was 6 when TBC came out

[quiet oar]

can also be old and not be a boomer

[quiet oar]

Wait

[inner urchin]

^ this is true as well

[quiet oar]

You are 24?

[stuck knoll]

Ye

[quiet oar]

[inner urchin]

the old and boomer part anyway

[grim jay]

Dang im not up to date with the zoomer words

[quiet oar]

Ronkley a zoomer

[stuck knoll]

I’ve a boomer soul

[quiet oar]

[grim jay]

Same

Im only 28 aswell

[inner urchin]

just you wait until you are in your 30s

[quiet oar]

Nah

[inner urchin]

[quiet oar]

You are mid 30s

[grim jay]

I wish

[dusk onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6nYYf95HjzgaXEs1nmB3Eb

i cant make it work so that 2 silken get better then toxic boots!? 😦

[grim jay]

Would be over sooner

[inner urchin]

shit, I'm gonna be 31 in a little over a week...

[grim jay]

[quiet oar]

No wonder he hates Outlaw

Cant have that APm with 31

[inner urchin]

I'm a fury main rn, I got all the apm in the world

Rule #1 ABC baby

[quiet oar]

Outlaw has more

[inner urchin]

it does

But not by a huge margin

[quiet oar]

84

oh 83 actually

and fury 73

[inner urchin]

Not a ton more

But a substantial amount

[grim jay]

You are simming

With double mastery runes

And a high mastery ring

[dusk onyx]

did it with ap and crit too, doesnt make a difference

[grim jay]

With 486 bracers

Silken scales with ilvl

Toxic armor Patch doesnt

[dusk onyx]

😮

[balmy condor]

im running the sim again

hold

[dusk onyx]

good god

[inner urchin]

wait, should we not be using double mastery runes

is it double crit now?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-cat-hang-cute-gif-15904303

[grim jay]

It just doesnt help with silken value

[inner urchin]

ah

[quiet oar]

[inner urchin]

That's great for me, I'm not running silken

[dusk onyx]

so i guess its the problem that silken scales with ilvl, didnt knew that

[grim jay]

Its like

Nearly double the mastery

And 486 Patch with 525 boots

Is like 2 525 embellishments

[dusk onyx]

thanks for your help! then i have to wait for more sparks

[normal mist]

You treat me better than my GF I should reconsider

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4qCApqLveEbmKVdxTvL5me

[normal mist]

And she plays hunter

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

Which is a negative

[inner urchin]

I should sim myself... NOW

I haven't done it in a hot minute

[dusk onyx]

thank you 2!

[quiet oar]

Except if its Survival

[grim jay]

My gf could play what she wants if she were to play wow at all

Id even be fine with a female dwarf beast mastery hunter

[normal mist]

MM actually

[quiet oar]

Well

Better than BM

[normal mist]

It's all fun until she passes your IO and trolls you.

[grim jay]

Id be fine with that

I wouldnt be petty at all

Could just take a week off and grind rio

[normal mist]

I mean Tbf I only do (20s) 10s for portals then stop caring

Meanwhile she's battling her biggest enemy: being accepted to +12/13

[clever sapphire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oc4pE55yCcPhkaXniePjom
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x6i7jch46tpRF9HK92wNiW
guys i need help because i cant decide, do i take eranog ring or diurna ring (mostly raid and maybe gonna "push" a few keys around the 14-15 range)

ik that the builds are different but one is m+ build with aoe sim and one is ST sim with raid build

[royal lantern]

people that play survival are tops

change my mind

[grim jay]

Did you even enchant your head

[clever sapphire]

yap

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

That diurna increase looks horrible

[rotund oak]

wdym stepbro

[clever sapphire]

and thats why im just straight up thinking about seal of diurna for the defensive part

even tho it sims worse in both cases

but not worse enough where it should matter

[grim jay]

Idk I dont think the shield is that valuable

Infrequent trigger when the worrying stuff that kills you in m+ is basically just a bunch of oneshot mechanics

[rotund oak]

its an extra thing u normally dont have though

[grim jay]

Yeah but your healer will groupheal either way

If you take less damage or not

[clever sapphire]

there is also a high chance that im just overthinking it and i should just get eranog ring and call it a day

[rotund oak]

it goes down to the fact of preference pretty much but ye,if i had to pick something it would most likely be that ring

but thats my personal opinion

[grim jay]

Same

[clever sapphire]

aight eranog ring it is and i stop thinking

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-gif-4476100

Glaube an das herz der karten

[clever sapphire]

ich spiel kein twisted fate

[quiet oar]

(believe in the heart of cards)

[clever sapphire]

aight bought the ring, too much thinking

[grim jay]

Dang im kinda getting the urge to watch the old episodes

[quiet oar]

I mean its like bonespike on terros

Just takes a while

until you get to the point

[clever sapphire]

and when you get to it, its already wasted

[true thistle]

is there a good way to automate PI with a priest?

[clever sapphire]

ye, get a better priest

[grim jay]

Just tell him or her to track your cd

Easiest solution

[rotund oak]

just get ur gf to play priest and ask her the PI when u need it

🤝

[cursive owl]

OwO MHM

[normal mist]

Mine refuses

[rotund oak]

when she says no i usually order something

works most of the times

chicks dig food

[cursive owl]

when du you guys go for a PI ? in general ? is there a sweet spot for it ?

[rotund oak]

on ur big windows preferably

thats primary ur deathmarks

secondary on just your KBs

[normal mist]

Mine digs doing more overalls than me

[kind forge]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[rotund oak]

she kicked my ass onsome 6-8s on my hunter

[cursive owl]

HAHAHAHAHHAHA

[quiet oar]

"Ok sweetie, if you beat me in DPS ill make the dinner, if i win you massage me later"

(Keeps trying to kill you)

[rotund oak]

that happens either way

[cursive owl]

how hard is it to get good weapons out of m+ ?

do there drop any ?

[quiet oar]

There are several Daggers

ye

[cursive owl]

cause if they drop, ill take the ring and farm weapons then. cause the ring only appears once every 3 weeks

OK

tyty

[grim jay]

Or every week

Starting next week

But it never actually appears

Because it doesnt drop

[cursive owl]

YE

i mean i can also take other rings but

[normal mist]

You can also go get m0 dawn dagger

[cursive owl]

w> i will get flamed again " uhhh... why u have this and this, take diurna ring its so much better" etc. >w>

[normal mist]

Afaik it's bis if you like to min max

[cursive owl]

Not from in here :> but on RND keys yes

[normal mist]

We don't really flame, we point you in the right direction. It's your choice to do a Zoro

[cursive owl]

yeee i know

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/onepiece-zoro-gif-20413728

[cursive owl]

but look last comment °^°

[normal mist]

What comment

[cursive owl]

@royal this

[normal mist]

Ohhhhhh

So randoms complain?

Mute them

[cursive owl]

xD

yes

[normal mist]

They don't even know their own class

[cursive owl]

True Kappa

Imagine

[normal mist]

I had a guy in a raid tell me I, as outlaw, wanted haste

HASTE

[cursive owl]

I deal more dmg than a 20 ILVL higher BM hunter in Bracknehide who was flaming me for not Kicking Adds

[normal mist]

Tbf

One thing shouldn't lead to the other

Kicks are actually important

[cursive owl]

I do kick the enemys if i can tbf

He was just malding

He was asmonbalding

[grim jay]

He probably meant you should make haste and reroll to sin or sub

[normal mist]

Ahahahaha

[normal mist]

If so he was right xD

I was only trying outlaw at the time, I actually hate the spec

Altought I perform well on it

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/freaks-one-of-us-accepting-little-people-party-gif-5441857

[cursive owl]

I do miss the Old combat spec from WOTLK

its when i pumped Numbers in HC

[normal mist]

You mean spamming sinister strike?

And expose armor and snd and rupture and eventually eviscerate?

[clever sapphire]

aight i hit the crit cap

[grim jay]

I mean if it has eviscerate its bound to be a good spec

[cursive owl]

Damn Wotlk was fun

[cursive owl]

CAP

[clever sapphire]

ye thats what im saying

[cursive owl]

if i see one more comment of having a "cap" i am Capping also Out of exsistence

[clever sapphire]

[cursive owl]

now u got me wait.

[clever sapphire]

look this one has a 🧢

[grim jay]

Im above the crit cap

Im trolling ik

[clever sapphire]

its fine, we gotta do a little bit of trolling

[grim jay]

Nah

We need to scale

But everything is lost if we cant restealth

[clever sapphire]

scale?

[cursive owl]

Bonespike

[clever sapphire]

like evoker scale?

[cursive owl]

I finaly hit Crit Cap

[clever sapphire]

a bit too high on versa

[cursive owl]

I know

[willow grotto]

too high on avoidance too

[cursive owl]

Im lost for another 10% crit

i didnt had the Crit trinket back then, so maybe i go roll for essence and not taking Ashes ...

i heard Fyrrak trinket with 780 Crit and Crit proc is also good .. Kappa

[clever sapphire]

also i heard haste doesnt affect energy regen, maybe if you get like 100% so i would just get 0 haste at that point because you wont feel it anyways (i hope you get that this is a joke and for anyone reading this )

[cursive owl]

I heard, if u have above 70% haste as a Sin specc u regenerate Energy this fast u can Perma spam Mutilate for dmg

[clever sapphire]

i had to put the disclaimer there in case someone takes me seriously and whispyr mutes me for spreading misinformation

[cursive owl]

As if Whispyr is not seeing this that we obviously Capping i mean. its not like your comment was an "answer" to a serious question

but damn

[clever sapphire]

oh he knows that im joking

[cursive owl]

60% crit was a nice experience

For Real

[clever sapphire]

wait did you actually have those stats

[cursive owl]

once i startet getting down under 48% crit, i felt the Downphase in my Ashes debuff that i actually have for 5 seconds no energy to Cast any ability

i had them with gear 501 yes

no cap

[balmy condor]

[clever sapphire]

okay i hope he knows that im joking

[clever sapphire]

34% is the cap, so you obviously went over the cap

there is no cap for you

[grim jay]

Ngl you sometimes cant tell if people are joking or legit dont know these days

[fallen arch]

True

[clever sapphire]

true, thats what im thinking about when reading deathstalker

[cursive owl]

well

[balmy condor]

[cursive owl]

[clever sapphire]

oh you managed to decipher my message

that was to be expected

[fallen arch]

Where in my rotation on single target bosses do i cast Grieftorch? Just on CD?

outside of dm/kb?

[cursive owl]

Outside of Burst window

when u have free time i gues

or u need to move

makes most sense i believe

[clever sapphire]

if the single target boss has an extra thing that needs to die fast (like brh last boss totem, or uldaman totem boss) i like to hold torch for that

[fallen arch]

Ye makes sense

[cursive owl]

bonespike

do you think i to Cap if i realy try to reach max Crit ?

[clever sapphire]

surely its like warframe

[cursive owl]

i do believe i can get 85% easy

[clever sapphire]

where if you go above 100% crit you get different colored crit

and that does more dmg

[fallen arch]

idk why you would want that tbh

[clever sapphire]

you wouldnt

thats the point

[cursive owl]

just because i can

[clever sapphire]

[cursive owl]

If i constant Crit, doesnt that mena i will always deal 200% dmg O_O ?

[normal mist]

200% of 2 isn't much

[clever sapphire]

finally a way to make my kb not that rng

just get max crit

you are so smart

time to get max crit gear

[cursive owl]

KEKW

HAHAHHA

[normal mist]

It's like "if u get 100% CRIT and nothing else, you'll deal 200% DMG increase"

That's a win

[cursive owl]

fk haste, just get 70% crit and Full mastery, because you get 30% free crit from SD anyway LUL

[clever sapphire]

truuuuuee

we cookin today

[normal mist]

SD gives CRIT?

What am I missing

[clever sapphire]

he probably meant vanish and master assassin

[normal mist]

NOU

ShAdOwDanCe is ShAdOwDanCe

[cursive owl]

isnt that the same O-o ?

[normal mist]

No

Absolutely not

[cursive owl]

SD gives benefrits from invis, so indirectly SD gives you 30% free crit OwO

[normal mist]

No

[clever sapphire]

ye

[normal mist]

Nouuuu

[clever sapphire]

(even i forgot about that part )

[cursive owl]

OK so

Bonespike

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Bro if that's true I am garbage

[cursive owl]

Problem Scanned, Solution Marked, 70% Crit and Infinite Mastery

[normal mist]

Bcs I really thought only vanish and stealth gave the 30%

[fast stag]

hi ! can you tell me why she is bis = Seal of Filial Duty

[next quarry]

Voice of the silent star back from sark doesen't sim very good, does it even apply the passive effect when simming? Thinking of maybe getting seal of filial duty ring instead...

[cursive owl]

Mastery and absorb shield

[normal mist]

Yes and you don't really want that back because it breaks stealth

[cursive owl]

SRSLY ?

[royal lantern]

yes it does

the lroc is just not that good overall cus it is really slow and never really overlaps with your cds

[clever sapphire]

time to pump

[cursive owl]

i will work on it

[royal lantern]

i use it cus sim number go brrrrrr

make me stop

[cursive owl]

Today ill switch Ashes to Fyrak trinket

[normal mist]

It can go up to 535, aka even more stats, that also counts

[cursive owl]

and Torch to Essence

[fast stag]

ok thanks, so that makes it a defensive ring?

[normal mist]

Noyes

[cursive owl]

yes and no

[normal mist]

We don't really care about the shield but it is good to have

[cursive owl]

the stats provided by the ring is GIGACHAD , and the Passive is just a nice defense benefit :3

[fast stag]

Do you think I should take it?

[clever sapphire]

the stats were a downgrade for me

[clever sapphire]

id say sim it

[normal mist]

Sim everything

[cursive owl]

Sim it

Droptimizer

copy your GV ingame with it

[normal mist]

That's a top gear sim

[cursive owl]

with /simc

[normal mist]

Not a droptimizer angle

[cursive owl]

OH nvm

Top gear my bad

[clever sapphire]

that looks like my sim

[normal mist]

Did you increase the ilvl of the vault options to max?

[fast stag]

yes

[normal mist]

(and your own items that are being compared for more accuracy)

Then it's gems week

[cursive owl]

then take gems

tbh

Bonespike

I have from today 16:30 , holiday till Monday next week

[normal mist]

SAME

Besties

Let's goooooo

[cursive owl]

Lets go

wanna run some m+ ? .. i need new gear

[clever sapphire]

[cursive owl]

70% crit doesnt come from nowhere

[normal mist]

What weird word is that

I only know remix

[normal mist]

I might! But rarely do people enjoy having 2 rogues in the party

[fast stag]

ok thanks ! that's why I don't understand why it's considered a bis

so I'm going to take the gems.. Thanks you!

[cursive owl]

it "usually" is , because of the free defense, but if u have a ring that is also good in same stats without it , it doesnt matter that much

[cursive owl]

i don fkn care, we can run 3 rogues 1 Monk tank and 1 Druid heal

Leather stck

[clever sapphire]

bis is relative, i think fuu's "bis" sim doesnt have that ring equipped

[fast stag]

ok ok thank you very much for help 😉

[cursive owl]

u welcome !

[normal mist]

I haven't done keys in retail for weeks

[cursive owl]

OK

then dont do em

xD

i will run them myself

[normal mist]

Still missing 3(?) +10

[cursive owl]

i have around 700 Rio KEKW

[normal mist]

Same but not really

[cursive owl]

i didnt played for months

i just recently make m+ actives again

We could be Herooooeeeeessss !

omg

[normal mist]

I actually hate m+

[cursive owl]

Music is just kicking in like over 9000

[normal mist]

I didn't read that. I sing it

[cursive owl]

i love it

its motivating me for playing SIN

[normal mist]

Also, how come you still only have 700 Io?

[cursive owl]

i run only +2 or 3

cause no one wants me in higher keys

x)

[normal mist]

You can run your own key tho

[cursive owl]

i Raid around 6 days a week

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-why-confused-jack-black-gif-8714598

[quiet oar]

HUIH

[normal mist]

LFR wings?

[cursive owl]

Monday wed. Sunday in WoW and thuesday and Thersday in FF14 xD

[normal mist]

Oh

[cursive owl]

HC / myth and Savage

[normal mist]

You raid mythic?

[cursive owl]

we try to

[normal mist]

?

[cursive owl]

this friday will be the first myth pull

[normal mist]

That's cap

[quiet oar]

[cursive owl]

no cap O-o

[quiet oar]

If you are done with heroic

you can try myth

[cursive owl]

ye

[normal mist]

How come a player that's starting to mythic raid, is doing +2

[cursive owl]

dont ask me O_O

[normal mist]

What the actual

[fluid dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet oar]

Casual guilds

[cursive owl]

its the Rio Retxxxxx who are looking only for RIO KEKW

[normal mist]

My guild is casual as fuck

And we were around 1500io week 1

[cursive owl]

my one is semi progress :3 we just got enought ppl to try mythic this week so we wanna see how it goes

no guild, but community

im guildless

i dont join guilds cause guilds sucks

[normal mist]

Debatable

[cursive owl]

i were in over 10

no one accept me as i am

fuc kthem then

idc about it 1 inch

[royal lantern]

we accept you

[normal mist]

Yeah tryan accepts you

[cursive owl]

but

tryan is in this "community" and not a guild so o-o

wdytb

my problem is more finding a main class i ended up playing Arcane or Sin for my fav styles. and if ppl cannot comprehend that i want a guild that can "actually" play their classes and do stuff and not dealing 60k DPS as a fkn 519 Unholy DK etc. Idc about them , i just look for "better" players

past 4 addosn i didnt found any guild i feel comfy in and had players who actually know how to play so fk me i walk random

[normal mist]

Fine

I accept you too

[crisp stream]

Adopting more? I'm free as well

[normal mist]

Aight you're now part of the pink community over in #transmog

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/jaiden-animations-demon-exorcism-exorcist-cross-gif-13466324

[grim jay]

Idk I dont feel like its really difficult

[kindred walrus]

what do you say boys for assa in m+ seal of filial duty, or seal of diurna's chosen

[grim jay]

Many good guilds are struggling to get ppl

[royal lantern]

roster boss is the real raidfight

[cursive owl]

both

[runic hinge]

Yeah I’m using both

[grim jay]

Diurnas chosen

Fuck filial

[normal mist]

Get yo ass down to transmog channel, you're adopted now

[muted aspen]

Hey! Hello! :)
I seek your advice here: does it make any sense to bring diurna's ring + 1 x shadowflame for better tankiness on final raid bosses? Or is it too much of a dps loss to drop one BSL ?

[normal mist]

You can sim it but ideally you want 2x bsl

Diurna can proc from helm enchant

But the shield proc is... Not why we take it.

It's your healers job to maintain you alive, if you're doing your part rotating CDs when needed

[alpine juniper]

I see Sin is slapping in raid, how are they in M+?

[normal mist]

Slapping

[alpine juniper]

Still using Crimson Tempest in keys? I struggled last season because everything died so fast on keys I always fell behind.

[normal mist]

They still do

Sin slaps harder as the key level increases

So, depending on your key level, your DPS can be either very good or very mediocre

[alpine juniper]

Currently a survival main but I hit the wall due to blizzard forgetting they existed. What is the most popular build? Icy veins and wowhead have some conflicting info. I'll be honest, I hate to maintain CT+Envenom tho

[normal mist]

Just use wowhead

[alpine juniper]

Wowhead has several builds unfortunately

[normal mist]

I personally loved playing the cleave build

Up to 20s (now 10s)

But it seems it's not ideal in some cases

The fact that I didn't need to deal with CT was a bless

[alpine juniper]

I also played the cleave build but it focuses on KB staying up the entire duration or your damage was trash.

[normal mist]

Yep

[alpine juniper]

So in 20-22s it wasn't nt very pug friendly.

[normal mist]

I just had luck picking up a target to kb most of the times

[alpine juniper]

Are we playing AP or SD now?

[normal mist]

I'm playing a filthy outlaw

[alpine juniper]

Ewww

[normal mist]

Ikr

I don't like myself

[kind forge]

why not both

[alpine juniper]

Because DTB is also an option

interesting

[kind forge]

fair enough

[clever sapphire]

every talent seeing the smallest bit of play, and then there is bonespike/sepsis

me sadge

WHO THE FECK PLAYS DOOMBLADE FOR DOOMBLADE

[alpine juniper]

I am just trying to figure out what builds people are playing and why

[kind forge]

nobody play blackjack

[clever sapphire]

nah you got that wrong, it just shows that that talent is always played

and picks the one more played on top

im pretty sure

if you hover over it its gonna show a split between blackjack and tricks

[kind forge]

i see

[clever sapphire]

depends on key, ruby is prime cleave build, halls is prime shock build

[kind forge]

if hybrid only could take zoldyck

[alpine juniper]

Do you drop DTB?

[clever sapphire]

halls build

so the shock build from wowhead

[alpine juniper]

You're still spamming envenom while keeping CT up right?

[clever sapphire]

the playstyle is the same as with the cleave build

[kind forge]

yes

[clever sapphire]

only difference is that with this build bleeds are more important

because thats your main dmg focus

not dm/kb

atleast in aoe

[lean portal]

this build is a horror in st

but so fun in aoe

[alpine juniper]

Cleave build doesn't have CT?

[clever sapphire]

this cleave, yap

[clever sapphire]

i dunno i dont see why it would be bad

[lunar thicket]

crap idk what to choose from vault :/

[grim jay]

Which build are you talking about

[runic hinge]

Ap is like 3% less than cleave in st. Maybe 5%

[lunar thicket]

the belts i won't need because i'm crafting life-bound today, wrist i got life-bound already, got both bis rings, both grieftorch and ashes

think i'll just add 2 sockets :/

[clever sapphire]

first rule when opening vault is sim it

[potent raven]

start gearing another spec

thats what i do

[runic hinge]

Socket both your rings

[grim jay]

2 sockets are pretty high in value tbf

[runic hinge]

Feel good about that

[alpine juniper]

So run AP?

[runic hinge]

Or socket both embellishments

[potent raven]

my sub is geared, my sin is geared, now onto my outlul

[clever sapphire]

what key lvl are you running

[runic hinge]

I run ap every key cause it feels good and I don’t do the highest keys so it’s up to you

[clever sapphire]

thats an important question

[grim jay]

Hybrid and AP with BS are both pretty good

[alpine juniper]

Probably low keys, 15s

[potent raven]

15s is low keys nowadays ?

[grim jay]

Hybrid seems to be a bit better on higher target count given you can play it optimally

[potent raven]

low is like 8s or so

[kind forge]

but no execute

[grim jay]

Thats why I play AP with BS

[kind forge]

Ye thats why most who play shock, play shock

[grim jay]

Its kinda eh tho

I think in many circumstances the Hybrid5tar build might be better

Or the normal Hybrid

[kind forge]

agreed

what was the diff between hybrid5tar and hybrid again..

can't remember

[grim jay]

With SP ramping, idk if more Execute is worth for example

In aoe

[kind forge]

nvm

i member

but iron wire is is too good ..personally

[alpine juniper]

Man, maintaining rupture envenom and CT is annoying AF still

[grim jay]

I mean you can have that in both.

[alpine juniper]

I want to like it but it's frustrating af

[grim jay]

I dont think the twisty talent is worth it

Its just a ss from bloodmallet

[grim jay]

Why would you maintain all 3

Unless low target cleave

Which is barely ever

[alpine juniper]

Which do you not maintain?

[royal lantern]

"low keys" is whatever the person is doing -1

[kind forge]

True

[grim jay]

No ct on ST and no envenom on aoe

You only use envenom to spatter if you got your stuff running

[alpine juniper]

Oh? You don't maintain the buff in aoe?

[lofty nymph]

Stats fine?

[grim jay]

If you can sure, but thats more bcs you wanna cleave with spatter anyways

But its the last thing on the prio list

[alpine juniper]

So like can I spam CT? lol, I like to be lazy

[grim jay]

No

It deals no dmg

Its just a dot

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[kind forge]

you maintain CT - you dont want to spam it

[slate crown]

Why are most of (but not all of) those icons fucked lol

[grim jay]

Good question

[drifting cedar]

So in aoe we cast first CT in kingsbane?

[lean portal]

one with no dragon

[lean portal]

ok

[alpine juniper]

I feel like Sin is a much slower spec than I realize is a big issue.

[clever sapphire]

what are you comparing it to

[alpine juniper]

SV, Spriest, Arms, Enh, Ele, demo, destro, aff, brew, WW, and a few others I play

[clever sapphire]

i mean it shouldnt be slow in that case

just takes getting used to how its played

[alpine juniper]

Like I want to spam aand use every second and GCD available

comstantly sitting at 0 energy

[slate crown]

You should not be sitting at 0 energy ever

Honestly I never feel like I am not being pulled to push a button in AoE

[alpine juniper]

This is a problem when you play all 13 classes

[clever sapphire]

sounds like something an outlaw player should do

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[clever sapphire]

you do this

you dont spam

[slate crown]

But you can spam in aoe

In single target yes

But if you’re maintaining things properly in aoe I never feel like I can’t push something

[alpine juniper]

In Aoe, I find myself fighting energy a bit too often.

[clever sapphire]

then you are not spreading enough dots

afaik if you have 5 rupture/garrotes out you shouldnt struggle with energy

and thats just 2 garrotes on pull and 2 ruptures

[alpine juniper]

It'a also because I play too aggressively, IE every single GCD is filled no matter what

and never pooling energy

[slate crown]

Honestly if you get ahead of it, even just 4/3 is enough because you only need to last until your next dance where you get IC back again

Which comes up often

[strange python]

Playing too aggressively is a nice way to say I just mash buttons

[slate crown]

I’m just saying if the thing you’re being aggressive about is bleed uptime

[clever sapphire]

assa is more of a brain spec in aoe then a "i mash buttons and do dmg"

[slate crown]

It means you can mash buttons

If I ever feel energy starved in aoe it’s because I neglected my bleeds

[kind forge]

well in aoe you can in fact smash

[strange python]

I mean you are never starved if you have bleeds out

In aoe

[slate crown]

Yeah

[strange python]

So technically you can definitely fill every gcd

But gotta think about what you do

[kind forge]

dont forget to put on weapon poison though

[strange python]

This shit happened yday to men

Me*

First pull bh I was like

Goddamn

Where my energy

Where splatter

[kind forge]

tragic

[strange python]

[kind forge]

did you already press cds when you realized ?

[strange python]

Ya

I was full into it

[kind forge]

alt + f4

[slate crown]

Waka waka sounds like somebody needs a weakaura

[kind forge]

i fell in love with yours for sin

after my own custom WAs crashed

[potent raven]

self promo

[strange python]

I have a weakaura but

Idk what happened I just didn’t look

[slate crown]

I never said which

[strange python]

It was late

[potent raven]

nothing wrong to

[kind forge]

just scale it to fullscreen if it is late

[gusty mirage]

[slate crown]

But like yeah, I feel like I’m able to mash buttons in aoe but only if I’ve spent my buttons building up to it by pushing the right ones

And it’s possible to push the wrong ones

[alpine juniper]

Well I shelved the rogue again, too annoying to play and when you play all 13 classes, I need to find a way to simplify the spec and there is no way around it sadly

[slate crown]

Which is a difference from other specs I guess

[clever sapphire]

ye you cant simplify any rogue spec im pretty sure

not in their current states

[slate crown]

Honestly I don’t blame you if you’re also juggling every other class

[kind forge]

i dont even have time to play 1 class to the fullest

[alpine juniper]

I still laugh at how I manage to get rogue to 3k last season playing the cleave build.

I got every class to 3k last season, first person to ever do that

[clever sapphire]

well nothing changed since last season, so i dont see the reason why you wouldnt be able to do it now

[alpine juniper]

the cleave build didn't use CT and you basically spammed Envenom just maintaining rupture

[clever sapphire]

ye, thats the cleave build still

[kind forge]

nothing changed

[clever sapphire]

i sent you the cleave build before, no CT in there

[alpine juniper]

Ya but the cleave build is even less viable this season it seems

[clever sapphire]

you have ret palas/shadow priests/bm hunters exploding every pull in a few seconds

thats why the AP build is the preffered one

for 3k you can still just go and play cleave build

[alpine juniper]

I am hoping to find a toon I like to get title on. I honestly love SV Hunter but they are worse off than any other class

But that's mostly because SV is 10 ilevels lower than everyone else

Shadow only blows shit up once every 2 mins assuming the tank pulls big

BTW I am not good at this game, just insanely efficient and a con artist getting my minions and pawns to do my bidding

[gusty mirage]

You’re my favorite player to ever play wow, don’t say you’re not good at the game

[junior aurora]

!oxi

Smh

[gusty mirage]

Oxi is the stinkiest shadow blade, but he’s also sometimes funny. That is not enough of a redeeming quality to justify how stinky he is.

There

Enjoy

If I remembered how to make moroes do that it’d be funnier but it is what it is

[junior aurora]

If oxi has a million fans, then I am one of them. If oxi has ten fans, then I am one of them. If oxi has only one fan then that is me. If oxi has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against oxi, then I am against the world.

[prisma monolith]

Oxi is the stinkiest shadow blade, but he’s also sometimes funny. That is not enough of a redeeming quality to justify how stinky he is.

[gusty mirage]

There

[junior aurora]

i like mine more

[gusty mirage]

[gray crest]

!oxi

Rip

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

Thats weird because that one has the best St right after cleave

[strange python]

Oxi is bis

[royal lantern]

oxi follows sims

[potent raven]

guess im not changing anything for this week

[royal lantern]

based

changing underwear is overrated

[dark token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

Stop typing !oxi you monkeys, or when I finally take over this corner of the internet none of you will be spared.

[dark token]

!oxi

[prisma monolith]

@spice surge is cuter than oxi

[gusty mirage]

my 8:30 hearing got cancelled, I can go all morning boys

[spice spire]

!oxi

[potent raven]

i was playing this whole last week

will play this week as well

i think its claled hybrid or something

[lean portal]

kinda lost with all these build names

i play only 2 : st build with iron wire and ic / no dragon build

[potent raven]

cleave is st without ic and iw

[gusty mirage]

you too?

we went from like 3 dif "variations" to like 30

in the span of a month

[lean portal]

yeah thats crazy

[gusty mirage]

people dropping terms that sound like words I understand but I'm just sitting here like bro either talk to me in icons or ability names

[potent raven]

ok Sorry

[gusty mirage]

you don't have to apologize

[lean portal]

IMO :
left tree and right tree : cool overall but low boss dmg
left tree and middle tree (with iron wire/IC) : cool
middle tree and right tree : wtf is that bro

[gusty mirage]

it's not just you

and I get it, it's easier to slap a name on something than listing out the 4-5 changes you're playing to the templates on wowhead/iv

[potent raven]

middle tree and right tree is hybrid yep

it makes sense

sorta

boss damage still mediocre

[lean portal]

ive had rly bad results with hybrid but only my opinion

[potent raven]

yeh

i get u

[lean portal]

feels so much worse than left/right tree

[clever sapphire]

i have a soft spot for blindside, so i cant really not play it

[lean portal]

left tree is so good

im in love with zoldyck personally

[gusty mirage]

free ambushes feel good, all memeing about feelcraft aside

similar to why bonespike felt so good in Shadowlands

it was legit free cp

[potent raven]

u mean u had best results with this?

[clever sapphire]

im also kinda cooked and i still press my seperate ambush keybind instead of just spamming mutilate

[lean portal]

in fortified i play this

[potent raven]

fair

[gusty mirage]

(I do too, don't tell whispyr)

[lean portal]

rly solid overall but you lose about 40k boss dmg

[potent raven]

not great

[lean portal]

with can or can not be relevant

[potent raven]

is it rly 40k

[lean portal]

smthing like that but it depends

[clever sapphire]

compared to which build

[lean portal]

on BH first boss you actually win dmg

[gusty mirage]

probably compared to a ST focused build

[lean portal]

st with iron wire and IC

is what i play in tyra

[gusty mirage]

which makes sense

because you give up a fuck ton of ST for the cleave damage

[potent raven]

u lose a lot of mob dps

in higher keys

with that build ngl

[lean portal]

y ofc its perfectly normal

[potent raven]

nah fuck that

[lean portal]

hmm depends its same debate we had early s3

[potent raven]

cant see myself 3rd on details

just an ego thing for me and but idk

[gusty mirage]

play with an augvoker so you're always 1st or 2nd

[lean portal]

would you rather megablast the prio target and let your SP and destro have a little fun with the pack

[potent raven]

XDD

[lean portal]

or have a little fun with them

[gusty mirage]

also assa is really really good with augvoker

[lean portal]

but this szn not many prio targets so hmm

actually debatable

last szn ST build was defo better but this szn i cant decide

[potent raven]

hybrids fine by me on tyra ngl just good mob dps and alright boss dps

its not ideal but its not that horrible

[lean portal]

i think skip middle tree might just be better than hybrid tho

maybe double poison feels better with more haste or smthing like that

idk

[potent raven]

need to test it out

need to sim too w my stats

actually just

w/e

[lean portal]

yeah we simming in dj is impossible

just play what you feel best

[clever sapphire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x25JS2RwDMD45DpHsGWzSD
22k dps in ST (cleave vs shock build)

[potent raven]

not tryna minmaxx that hard, just playing the game

526

im still like 524

whatd u guys take from vault

[clever sapphire]

socket

[lean portal]

how am i dealing more dmg than the sims what

247 is mega low no

no bl sim ?

[clever sapphire]

i had a pretty cooked vault tbh, mythic boon with avoid/mythic essence with avoid/mythic head with socket

[clever sapphire]

no externals

i simmed for m+ context

so i have everything off

[gusty mirage]

at least turn on potion + flask + food buff + augment rune you weirdo

[clever sapphire]

too lazy to manually turn on each of those

[gusty mirage]

honestly

fair

[lean portal]

maybe it differs from stats

[potent raven]

i just did that

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eUmHXH4SG2t8KySsUUTfgF

[amber stream]

Is hissing rune the best for ST?

[lean portal]

i said 40k from experience but yeah its at least 30-35k i loose for sure

sometimes more

[potent raven]

arterial build

but gotta do top sim rq

[lean portal]

depends on what you lack

[potent raven]

ok look

i sim

[lean portal]

for ST i love haste

a lot

like pure pure ST

[potent raven]

haste sims low for me and ihave crafted vers/mastry gear

[gusty mirage]

you can sim them if you really want, but afaik the sim profile uses hissing @amber stream

[potent raven]

i use howling

man wtf im on 4 hours of sleep im like a zombie

like i cant even bullion anything

unless its for diff spec

[clever sapphire]

i was close to taking the echo of neltharion trinket for m+

[potent raven]

why

its a proc trinket(garbage)

[lean portal]

i was playing it weeks ago

[leaden cypress]

which tier piece is worst ?

[potent raven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wphCVD7v3rw57sorvZ8QFG

[clever sapphire]

i like the squid hugs

[lean portal]

but im addicted to diurna now

[gusty mirage]

because he's a silly boy

[potent raven]

st build vs hybrid vs arterial

sims 36k dps loss

[grim jay]

Wdym, you dont know AP Shock+BS no IW

[clever sapphire]

totally depends on your current gear

[potent raven]

oh wait

why did i sim those rings

[lean portal]

40k

[potent raven]

wtf man

[lean portal]

im the goat or what

[potent raven]

oh i was simming gems

doesnt matter

how is the dps loss so big

[lean portal]

look how i said 35-40 and its exactly this tho

just from xp 😎

[potent raven]

man wtf

thats a bit too much

[gusty mirage]

if you have to drop one, probably shoulders or gloves tbh but as others have said it's entirely dependent on your gear (what rings/neck/cloak/bracers/belt/boots you have)

[lean portal]

because your kingsbane are significantly worse

like you reach 40-45 stacks of kb max

[gusty mirage]

because assassination sort of likes all stats atm

[lean portal]

cause one single poison

[potent raven]

ye its 40k

dps loss

wtf

XD

[lean portal]

told u man

but u still win a lot overall

[potent raven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7FnvfqtHyqURsFHz7DmWPD

[lean portal]

with bleed at least

[potent raven]

just oipen it

its accurate

i thinks

[leaden cypress]

i got 528head, chest hands and now i can choose between 528legs or shoulders, so thats why i ask which one got generally better stats

[potent raven]

ggs

nah but

low boss damage is so bad too

[clever sapphire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4oh2DV1p2nY8doxYGQDn2q

turned it into a 1:30 fight duration (thats how longs bosses lasted for me so far) and also put on flask/food and the basic shit for oxi, now its 30k so i guess ye its big

but its fort week

[lean portal]

hybrid looks mega terrible at least we have this answer

[clever sapphire]

i would sim it tbf, oxi said shoulders is one of the worse ones

[grim jay]

Its not really big tbf

[potent raven]

ye only 40k

[lean portal]

its atrocious honestly

the worse thing is when the boss is pulled and you have 40s till deathmark

[grim jay]

You sacrifice a shitton of clearspeed just to kill a Boss a little quicker

[gusty mirage]

I'd probably go legs cause it's heavier mastery

and crit phial takes care of most of your crit needs

[lean portal]

and youre below your blood DK on first boss for 40s and whole group just looking at you like "wtf man why did i inv a rogue again"

[clever sapphire]

actually thats the best part, i get to dm at a time where boss is gonna go into execute

[lean portal]

fights not that short for me

[grim jay]

Some people just value ST too much

[potent raven]

realistically

boss fights in dungeons arent 5min tho

so u were right simming like

[lean portal]

its so valuable

[potent raven]

1;30-2m

is avg id say

for a higher key

[lean portal]

naah id say 2 30

[grim jay]

35ish k is literally not going to give you much

[lean portal]

fort

and 3 15 tyra

i play bleed myself this week

but sometimes i wonder if its good

[royal lantern]

they repeat what streamers that play on a absurdly high key level do and say

[lean portal]

i dont watch any streamers u dont need to be like that XD

its not that deep

i just like when the big mob dies and the pack is over before it dies

[grim jay]

Yeah. Its literally only ever shortening the key if you aoe doesnt suck for it, which would require the packs to last your kb

[lean portal]

but ig this szn not many prio targets so again

[royal lantern]

like, "we need somebody that is focusing more on ST" is a real thing in those +18keys

and in typical wow fashion, they copypaste that thinking into their +10keys

[lean portal]

i dont rly know

[potent raven]

ye so

[lean portal]

yeah maybe i shouldve asked

what are we talking about here

[potent raven]

btw idk why u say 30k isnt that much 🤔 its kinda massive

[lean portal]

if youre doing weeklies just smurf with bleed build ofc

what key level are we talking about

[clever sapphire]

i mean there are just keys i wouldnt wanna play cleave in

[potent raven]

arterial even lower for boss dps

gg

[clever sapphire]

no matter the key lvl

[grim jay]

Bcs its just ST and wont shorten the time spent as much

[clever sapphire]

halls is one of them

[potent raven]

ikr bro

those mobs have

8k hpo

or some shit

genuinely why did they make it like that

[lean portal]

you cant lose 40k dps on hall third boss bro

legally

in tyrannical

[potent raven]

ye i think i trolled

[lean portal]

you can get banned for this im pretty sure

[potent raven]

a halls

going hybrid

[clever sapphire]

im gonna bring up the cooked name, zerocool was doing his 16-17s with shock build last week on halls

[grim jay]

Nah you troll by thinking you will get a significant advantage out of your 35k increase in St

[potent raven]

how come not tho

u do more dps boss dies faster gg

[lean portal]

zerocool not playing with two pick up dps from sanguino bro

[potent raven]

shock build in 16 is more valid than in a 14

[lean portal]

i am

i am concerned about this third boss dying

[grim jay]

And the other stuff lives way longer

Great

[potent raven]

ye if u have some

sp

it nukes it anyway

u just assist a bit

lol

[grim jay]

Priest doesnt burst

Idk

[lean portal]

i think you guys are concerned about your overall details number more than ending keys

if im completly honest

[potent raven]

nah