assassination

[earnest remnant]

and highschool starts after

[stuck knoll]

19 but I repeated a year cuz I moved so much

Ah ye

[shy pecan]

Are you a summer bday?

[stuck knoll]

That’s not too weird I guess

[spice spire]

Ye

[stuck knoll]

You just stay in primary for longer

[earnest remnant]

like we dont have the whole pre-school elementary school stuff

its just "School"

then highschool

into uni

[shy pecan]

I was like "How'd you graduate at 17?" Unless you jumped a grade or something

[stuck knoll]

He is that smart tbf

[earnest remnant]

i skipped a year

[spice spire]

Tf you mean

[earnest remnant]

i started a year earlier

in school

[stuck knoll]

Rambunctious?

Wtf

I replied to Quakes comment

[spice spire]

Deleted that cuz borderline filter evading

I deleted

[stuck knoll]

Okay maybe I am Ronkles

[spice spire]

Decided better of it

[stuck knoll]

Fair

[earnest remnant]

i was a weird kid when i was below 10 years old

[shy pecan]

[earnest remnant]

all i did was read

[stuck knoll]

Most are

[earnest remnant]

then fully stopped

and became a menace

[stuck knoll]

Same

[spice spire]

I read until I was forced to read

[stuck knoll]

Uni hit my love of reading hard ngl

It’s coming back now

[earnest remnant]

my skateboard got taken atleast once or twice a day

in school

[spice spire]

Then stopped reading books outside of what I was forced to read

[earnest remnant]

by the teachers

[stuck knoll]

But nothing like an English degree to make you hate reading

[earnest remnant]

they dont like you skating inside

apparently

i just so happend to forget that after like 10sec of them telling me everytime

damn my goldfish memory

[keen spruce]

a lot of US school disctricts are combing elementary and middle school and some highschools now

but also like I don't see the value in having 16 year olds learning in the same building as 9 year olds

[earnest remnant]

school is big, you dont really run into them

ever

atleast here

[keen spruce]

ig just having all of the kids in one place does provide a level of convenience for parents

[earnest remnant]

designated classrooms

so you are pretty much only in that classroom

[royal lantern]

time to become a chainsmoker and look like 96 in 3 years

[shy pecan]

He's asian, won't happen until he's like 60

[earnest remnant]

with my poor health

[shy pecan]

even with smoking

[earnest remnant]

id be gone in 4 years

[royal lantern]

i feel that stealthi lmao

[stuck knoll]

Tbf if you move the ages up 3 years that’s how we do it

[spice spire]

Ed would know, he’s nearing 60

[shy pecan]

:3

Fucking hate you

[stuck knoll]

Doesn’t hit the same with the name change Quake

[gusty mirage]

the good old days before I started graying everywhere

[keen spruce]

i'm salt and pepp'd af

[spice spire]

I can hate on multiple levels king

[stuck knoll]

Silver fox

[keen spruce]

the sides started to go in college

[spice spire]

Same king

[royal lantern]

you just mature like a fine wine

[shy pecan]

[ember mural]

Being blonde helps hide the grey

[royal lantern]

im brown-red, idk how it will look like for me

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

[keen spruce]

it shows big time for me

my beard is getting salty too

[spice spire]

Didn’t realize frogs had beards

[keen spruce]

[stuck knoll]

It’ll show if I have hair by that point

[gusty mirage]

that's when its a wrap bro

I started graying at 17

but when it hit patches in the beard

it was donezo

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

tf you huhing

[keen spruce]

I still have rogue red hairs in my beard

along with the salt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3ewZxrqU4

[gusty mirage]

I remember that commercial

[keen spruce]

true classic

[shy pecan]

You had a beard at 17?

[gusty mirage]

no

I had gray hairs at 17

try to follow along ed

smh

[shy pecan]

[subtle tundra]

im waiting to bald

praying at 25 the stress takes over

[gusty mirage]

I'm waiting for you to show up so we can make out

I mean what

haha jk

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck?!?!?

send location

i mean whaaat

[gusty mirage]

haha you're so funny

[spice spire]

Get a room

[gusty mirage]

unless...?

[subtle tundra]

that would be crazy!!!

but maybe

[gusty mirage]

now I know why you're green, jealous mfer

[subtle tundra]

ahaha nvm

[spice spire]

Okay and?

[keen spruce]

No balding yet

[shy pecan]

Same

[grim tree]

Is good irideus i have grieftorch and ashes?

Irideus in chamber 522

In bloodmallet is second position

With ashes

[drifting cloud]

ashes better

[grim tree]

Ashes and irideus

??

[silk horizon]

need coaching for rotation

[spice surge]

Assassination Rogues are mainly looking for one powerful on-use trinket to pair with their cooldowns, and a supplementary trinket.
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

[buoyant moat]

are the sim's wrong/inacurate? Because Im simming like 10k higher with double Shadowlfame patch over Blue Silk

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Flat damaging effects will be better at lower gear levels and lose out later

[buoyant moat]

ahhh well this was at 524 ilvl

[balmy condor]

Gear issue idk

[buoyant moat]

yea idk either

[rotund oak]

its gonna be cringe but im gonna ask

deathstalker dungeon vid test when

[balmy condor]

I didn’t do dungeon testing this weekend

[rotund oak]

[grim bison]

depends BSL uptime and do u have fire ring proc..

[spice surge]

Hard to say whats going on without seeing the sim

[past bobcat]

Is sark cloak a sim bait?

[spice spire]

No

It’s a cloak that provides stats

[balmy condor]

Stats are sim bait

[spice spire]

You right

[amber fossil]

well damn, got the M fire ring in vault, but it sims lower than what I have. What to do.... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dk1Sh917WX6s7WvVRpaYpZ

[balmy condor]

Don’t use it

[amber fossil]

I will feel dirty passing on it for a gemslot

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[misty holly]

Fire ring is apparently pretty good in pvp. Could consider grabbing it for that.

[strange python]

If it’s from vault you can catalyze it for a 535 cloak

Pretty poggies

Just can’t do it with the bullion one

[amber fossil]

huh? it's a ring

[balmy condor]

Catalyzing a ring into a cloak

Is some insane tech

[strange python]

Ah Shit i got confused with the sark cloak guy

[amber fossil]

I did take the ring, with a gem it sims better. Can't use it now tho

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/idNaLS2b4zrWNBV6UhYJ5M

[grim bison]

it sims bad because obv half of your gear is for outlaw and you don't need so much vers in assa

[misty holly]

Spoken like someone who doesn't stand in all the ground effects and needs the vers to stay alive. Dead dps do no dps!

[amber fossil]

Not quite sure what you mean by outlaw gear, I just go by what I have and what the sim result is. I will sim again and replace existing gems/chants to see the diff.

[misty holly]

Your crafted gear is vers/crit. Prob should be crit mastery for sin.

Even for pvp it should be mastery/haste or mastery/vers

so it is strange choice for a sin rogue.

[amber fossil]

ok, I will resim those too. Again, I just went by the results.

[misty holly]

the big vers on your ring and necklace, plus all the vers on tier set makes it pretty high.

I've been looking at the same thing since I have that ring, and plan to get that neck soon.

[amber fossil]

I usually run 2 sims, one for ST fights and one for M+ , sometimes I choose the best avg between the 2 gearsets

[gusty mirage]

absolutely you can, on the previous sim it's -0.2% which is within margin

[amber fossil]

the neck was the last veteran piece I upgraded and was the only choice from bullions

[grim bison]

there is no chance you simmed mast/haste or mast/crit craft and it was less dps in ether of those

[gusty mirage]

to make life easier for you moving forward @amber fossil if you see a number that's blue on your raidbots, it's safe to assume everything in those rows is equal to what you're wearing

so essentially the ring w/o a socket is about even w/ the ring you have now with a socket

[amber fossil]

dunno what to say, I sim the hell out of everything I loot, craft and spend bulls on. maybe it's a timing thing. I don't know

[gusty mirage]

the sims are looking at tens of thousands of iterations, it's possible that it came up as a loss, albeit a little small

esp considering assassination has a lot of variance

[spice surge]

And if youre using call to suffering instead of signet or grieftorch for a short fight its goes up even more

[runic hinge]

We love kingsbane!

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/frqVDG93qRxDTPHDUd3kzq

We're kinda getting there

OL still ahead by like 25k tho

[fast hound]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/92uvn94o2vNRqoER1EjVDN

[thorn fjord]

No way BSL is the reason why im 11k behind your sims

weird

Maybe? ionno

[fast hound]

i could improve on trinket and second dagger but dont have upgrade materials

[thorn fjord]

Did you sim with PI?

[fast hound]

no

[thorn fjord]

hmm

[fast hound]

i dont get pi in raid sadly

[thorn fjord]

Wonder where my issue is then

[gusty mirage]

dog

you're simming with spatter

lmao

[thorn fjord]

Oh

DERP

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

Still 11k?

bro i always do that shit its CRAZY lmao

[gusty mirage]

it was like a 1.8% ST talent last tier

so yeah 11k

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kJnfX5WVMuAMrjhAxCuvKK

k im dumb

[gusty mirage]

😛

[fast hound]

happens to the best of us

[gusty mirage]

now you're simming with vers phial

instead of crit

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oLy1ftbRsMUmcJgCeQo6WG

here ya go friend

hope this answers your "11k?" question

[thorn fjord]

Def not paying for them spensive vials

But ty @gusty mirage ❤️

[gusty mirage]

it's the small shit that adds up homie

[errant swallow]

Oh well

[hexed frost]

Started to play assassination in keys. Feels good man. Actually feels like a rogue not a turbo monkey (aka outlaw)

[errant swallow]

Ouroboreal Necklet, the stupid crit/vers neck is the only decent piece and it's simming as a dps loss

😦

[gusty mirage]

we're all monkeys

just monkeys of dif speeds

[hexed frost]

Accurate representation of me when I get ace procs

[gusty mirage]

omg are we twins

because that's me all the time

[hexed frost]

[gusty mirage]

me when tank is bad at chaining

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/mongy-monke-monge-cute-cleaning-gif-27532745

Thought that was you bb @gusty mirage

[hexed frost]

Poo splatter is too good man. Just that having to remember to mutilate every now and then is annoying

Atleast Blizzard saved assassination

[runic hinge]

the 2 star is like 100 less rating and only like 80g compared to 400

but my guild does cauldrons so I dont buy flasks for raid

[thorn fjord]

Im bad and need all the verse i can get big dog

Another reason why i'm not to keen on making BSL

[runic hinge]

verse would make bsl better

cause you take less damage

[grim bison]

replace dagger with Sarc one, clock with Sarc one (which u had) If you're maxing shields from neck, also ring from Durina will be nice with those stats and shield

[thorn fjord]

Im getting Leg cloak today with Bullion

Gotta run Normal and heroic for more stones... fuckin bottle necked right now

[shy pecan]

Are you gonna catalyze it?

[thorn fjord]

Maybe? 😛

@shy pecan was looking for you Sunday bro 😦

[shy pecan]

I was around. None of you responded back

[thorn fjord]

@slate crown and i needed your services... we got screwed by a rando priest who bailed on last boss

[shy pecan]

[thorn fjord]

Oh damn... (I was pretty drunk)

[runic hinge]

He asked me to heal

[amber fossil]

had to run 2 sims due to size, but I guess my stats arent that bad after all https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hYYiFzj9gG1Y3582ahU2kW

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fFLov1mE7XhereVEPHNTqj

[spice surge]

Sidenote: tight spender sims higher than improved ambush

[amber fossil]

regemming/rechanting doesnt seem to be a huge impact

[shy pecan]

It usually doesn’t

[rigid tartan]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[balmy condor]

secondaries ripbozo

[spice surge]

My face when secondaries are secondary

[shy pecan]

[amber fossil]

haha, mald made it seem like I wasn't living life properly with so much vers

[balmy condor]

my face when boomers beg for reforging but I have to stifle a laugh because I know that they're gonna spend hours reforging all their gear for 10 extra dps just to resim and it to be 35 dps worse

[royal lantern]

i re-gem/enchant, like, 1x a season

just putting in what the sim says is best for the single piece, when i have all gem slots do a sim with all pieces and thats it

[thorn fjord]

Bring back warforged and titanforged tho WITH rerolls

[royal lantern]

shut up shut up shut up

[thorn fjord]

Lolol

[royal lantern]

dont put those cursed words in your mouth

[strong wing]

Arterial build is still worth at 13+ keys

?

[balmy condor]

all the builds are good

[thorn fjord]

Bonus rolls would be cool though cmon

[balmy condor]

at any level

they wouldn't be suggested if they weren't good

[thorn fjord]

WF and TF not so much

[strong wing]

I mean yeah but at some lvl the dragon tempered build starts to shine more than the others right?

at least thats why zeroocol said i think

cause u look for a diff profile dmg right

[balmy condor]

it's just more kingsbane damage instead of bleed damage

[thorn fjord]

ZC ain’t human tho

Man is a beast

[balmy condor]

if you want more prio

then you play that

if you want more bleed/aoe

you play bleed

they all do damage it's just your choice where it comes from

[thorn fjord]

I’d bleed for you @balmy condor

[royal lantern]

ye

[shy pecan]

Yeah, when someone responds with specific items like that, take it with a grain of salt

[cursive jungle]

returning to rogue and i'm seeing some of the top playing assassination, what happened!?

[shy pecan]

Or specific stats

[thorn fjord]

Sub logs are borked

[royal lantern]

assa got buffed and does dmg now

sub has bugged logs so all the log whores dont play it

sub has shit gameplay so all the sane people dont play it

[shy pecan]

What about shadow damage?

[thorn fjord]

Yeh no more progression till next expansion so nobody is playing sub 😂

[shy pecan]

[thorn fjord]

Swift with no acro still feels awful tho

[cursive jungle]

noice, i can catch ez then

[runic hinge]

bonus rolls is just vault

[thorn fjord]

nah nah

[grim bison]

ye Vers is bad for assa, it's somewhat decent when other stats dr, also you've changad phial to be a crit one.
E.g. if a boss hits you for 20% of your hp you will need 101% vers to still have BSL up

[proven jasper]

vers isnt bad

its just subjective to ur character

[grim bison]

soon'ish they'll remove vers, easier to balance, not fun, etc.
Some classes just to relient on vers as main secondary, which makes them tankier for no good reason.. others will die to mechanic 😄

[amber fossil]

Where do you see crit phial? I didnt think I changed any of that

[grim bison]

top right

[amber fossil]

got it

I think thats the default, but I do use vers phial

[balmy condor]

[amber fossil]

$

I get it tho, makes mt stat balance even worse

[slate crown]

I used vers phial but only because I accidentally posted my entire stock of crit phials on the AH when I only meant to post a couple stacks

for my last runs

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not about stat balance

[slate crown]

and forgot to restock 😦

[balmy condor]

its just more stat

and crit is better than vers for most

so it makes no sense'

[grim bison]

flat dmg scales from verse, e.g. trinkets, shadowflame, ring

[balmy condor]

yes

that is indeed what vers does

[spice surge]

Thats irrelevant, but crit also works on those

[strange python]

Can we finally remove vers

[grim bison]

you put your pala next to a dk and see how leggo just works better XD

[amber fossil]

thx for the input, but at the end of the day I am not going to regem/rechant for 1.5K dps

[strange python]

Do you have leggo on your rogue?

[stuck knoll]

I wouldn't wish that on anyone

[strange python]

I did it 3 times

[stuck knoll]

Yeah that sounds very unfun

[strange python]

It’s… something

[stuck knoll]

Honestly doing it once was enough to not want to play any other strength class even as an alt til they go away

[strange python]

Ayo you from the Ivory Coast?

[stuck knoll]

Ireland

[strange python]

Wait that is reverse

Goddamn

Sometimes my brain doesn’t function

[grim bison]

it's not like you have a ton of gems but whatever :D, you'd better save some gold for recrafting

[balmy condor]

the ivory eoast

[strange python]

I am on mobile

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[strange python]

It just shows the flag okay

[balmy condor]

what even is the country tag for the ivory coast

[stuck knoll]

🇨🇮

ci

apparently

[balmy condor]

kinda makes sense

[strange python]

Yea it’s just reverse hahaha

[balmy condor]

🇮🇳

[strange python]

F I was there on holidays and still got it mixed

[strange python]

What flag is this

[balmy condor]

india

[strange python]

Why can’t you click it on mobile and see the tag

That is india??? Wtf

[balmy condor]

I'm 99% sure you can

I can on mobile

[strange python]

I click it and just nothing happens

[balmy condor]

weird

[strange python]

Skill issue honestly

[balmy condor]

discord issue

[strange python]

I hope they make more bladestorm mechanics in dungeons next season could’ve doubled them in brackenhide

I love bladestorm

[amber fossil]

what's wierd is I have a choice of 4 OH daggers with all diff stats, but the sim still says the vers dagger is top dog

[strange python]

Then get what sim says

Idk why there is so much discussion about stats you have a robot that tells you everything on every item

If your character sims better with vers you get that

[balmy condor]

if they're the same item level I doubt that they're even outside of margin

[visual kelp]

i always do what the robot tells me to

[grim bison]

show the sim

[amber fossil]

I del'd the st sim, but here is the dslice https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o1YKmeWD9dEXx8bjZotWAL

[stuck knoll]

There should be a button top right

Has all the sims you’ve done on the account

[limber lion]

These are all in within margin

One is not better than the other

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/patiently-waiting-irockfeardesigns-gif-20705277

[limber lion]

It's all the same.

[abstract hawk]

hey folks are there any macro wizards able to make me a

stun mouse over target. If no mouseover, stuns focus, if no focus, stuns current target.

with kidney but then in stealth it uses cheap shot instead? IF that is even possible ?

[limber lion]

Just do what the top sim says and call it a day. Don't need to think about it too hard.

[amber fossil]

yup, I usually just blindly follow what the sim says, but this discussion made me wonder if regemming was worth it. Answer is no

[limber lion]

It sure is possible to do that with stance-variables. But as Assassination you never press Cheap Shot in PvE so I'm guessing this is a PvP thing

You can ask there, I'm sure they have something like that ready

[limber lion]

Def not

[abstract hawk]

ahh i was purely thinking as a emergency in a key or something for something where i need another stun or what have you

[balmy condor]

I think it's just too many conditions for one press tbh

[grim bison]

dslice with bleed build, ye idk much about that (I assume you can ran almost any stat and it will show the same result) but wasn't original topic, was it?

[balmy condor]

/cast [@focus,stance:0] Kidney Shot
/cast [stance:0] Kidney Shot
/cast [@mouseover,stance:1] Cheap Shot
/cast [@focus,stance:1] Cheap Shot
/cast [stance:1] Cheap Shot```

try that

I think it fits?

might not

6 different trigger conditions for one macro is wild

wait I doubled it or something

wtf happened to it

should be that

[abstract hawk]

thanks a bunch

that worked

[balmy condor]

np

[limber lion]

Should be able to do ; instead of /cast everytime to save some space

But if it fits anyways, doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

ah ye

I don't really use macros

forgot that was a thing

[limber lion]

Me either

We rawdog it

[dreamy galleon]

I have a perhaps really stupid question.. But I am leveling an Assassination Rogue in the MoP remix thing. Just got the talent Indiscriminate Carnage. But it constantly makes my Rupture and Garrote button glow/light up (ElvUI). Is there a way to stop this? I know it glows to "tell" me I can spread my garrote and rupture in AoE situations, but it's annoying to have it glow up even in single-target. Especially when I am still trying to get to grips with Assassination Rogue

[arctic venture]

How is Sin for M+ at moment?

[balmy condor]

don't think there's a way to hide the glow

[limber lion]

Very interesting issue

[balmy condor]

it's fine

not meta but none of the rogue specs are

so who cares

[arctic venture]

yeah Im going to make a build to try

[limber lion]

You shouldn't be looking at your action bars much or at all anyways

Eventually none at all

[dreamy galleon]

Well yeah, but as I said I am still getting to grips with my Rogue, as I've always played Warlock it's still a bit foreign to me. Can't help glancing down at my actionbars sometimes 😂

[arctic venture]

@balmy condor can u provide me a AoE m+ Build?

the one in Wowhead is ok?

[balmy condor]

considering I wrote the wowhead guide

[arctic venture]

hehehe

[balmy condor]

I would say that the build is fine

yes

[arctic venture]

I know, just want to be sure is updated

Gonna grab there

By the way, thanks for doing this.

[balmy condor]

np

[serene solar]

When do you guys send torch in raid when you have it and ashses

[spice surge]

Ashes with your cooldowns and torch outside your cooldowns (aka deathmark)

[serene solar]

I am an outlaw player learning assa rn

[serene solar]

okay makes sense. so first torch isnt till after cds and all?

[spice surge]

So on pull you'd use ashes first (with deathmark) and then after it has ended, you would torch

[serene solar]

Perfect. Thanks

[cursive frost]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/hide-button-glow

It lets you configure the default UI glows spell-by-spell

I used it to suppress glacial spike

[balmy condor]

the things that exist

that's crazy

[snow kindle]

Anyone have an idea how much of a dps loss it is to not envenom before death mark

in opener

[balmy condor]

bout 0.4

[snow kindle]

ty

[final star]

I exclusively look at my actions bars

[spice spire]

[unreal heath]

confused why my quick sim dps is off so much am i putting something in wrong

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/km62gGLGRVUhZNAaE5aqWY

[balmy condor]

looks like you turned off basically every buff that exists

[unreal heath]

oh lol

[balmy condor]

[unreal heath]

prolly need those on

[barren comet]

Hey, I just saw that a rogue assa did a 20 +3 AA 2 weeks ago, but it's too big to not be a bug abuse no?

[balmy condor]

correct

spriest abuse

not possible anymore

[silk bane]

nice one

cant trick me

[balmy condor]

quick, you gotta look behind you, there's an extremely niche tiktok microcelebrity standing right there, goth asian with a wolf cut, she's trying to get your attention bro just turn around, look, she's right there

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/where-where-at-sponge-bob-gif-6060104

[balmy condor]

gotem

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/tricked-tricked-me-tricked-me-on-purpose-you-tricked-me-upset-gif-12118289

im suing u with oxis help. u cant with someones emotions like that

I broke my neck turning around so fast

[balmy condor]

oxi's not an injury attorney

gottem twice

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-surprised-you-cant-do-this-to-me-gif-24182893

[junior aurora]

i turned around but she wasnt there, why

[keen spruce]

wtf is a wolf cut

[balmy condor]

google it bozo

[junior aurora]

tbh shmeeps i didnt read past goth asian

[balmy condor]

educate yourself

[keen spruce]

wait I thought this was just a bad haircut

[junior aurora]

i think i can adjust to whatever a wolf cut is

[keen spruce]

i didn't know it had a name

[silk bane]

not surprising. ducks dont have names for many things

[keen spruce]

this is like female version of a mullet

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-face-you-get-what-gif-24340177

smh

[balmy condor]

[junior aurora]

if i like it does that make me white trash shmeeps

[keen spruce]

i'm old man

wait no

i'm fkin right

[silk bane]

when shmeeps first opened his eyes, he saw seli trying to discover fire

no wonder he doesnt like it

[keen spruce]

how do you try to discover something

[junior aurora]

its kind of a lot of scientists jobs actually

[slate crown]

By lookin real real hard

[keen spruce]

how would you know what to try to discover

if it hasn't been discovered yet

[slate crown]

May I offer you: Outer Wilds.

[junior aurora]

researchers try to discover stuff all the time

[keen spruce]

why don't u try to discover some bitches u sassy fuk

[slate crown]

Cause I sure as shit was trying to discover things there and had no idea wtf my ass was discovering

[balmy condor]

they go "what happens if I do this thing no one has done before"

and then if it does nothing, minus 1 to things untested

[junior aurora]

believe it or not the sassiness hinders the discovery process

[keen spruce]

yeah but they're not trying to discover a specific thing

[balmy condor]

or they go "this guy tried something and it sucked, but he didn't try X"

[keen spruce]

that isn't discovered yet

[balmy condor]

??????

[junior aurora]

people try to discover a cure for cancer

[balmy condor]

that's how all discovery works

[runic hinge]

Has anyone tried to take their helmet off in space? How do we know for certain you can’t breathe up there

[silk bane]

sometimes you havent discovered something, but you know it exists, so u go looking for it, and u find it

[keen spruce]

i'm sure someone has

[junior aurora]

if they just store the air in their cheeks they should be chillin

[keen spruce]

but if you know fire exists

then ur not discovering it

cuz it's been discovered

[junior aurora]

ur discovering how to make it on command

[keen spruce]

cuz you know it exists

this is goal post moving of the highest order

[runic hinge]

I want to read their notes

[keen spruce]

Armin said seli was discovering fire

trying to discover fire*

[balmy condor]

this might be the dumbest convo I've ever seen in this channel

[junior aurora]

no its not

[keen spruce]

[junior aurora]

its not even close whispyr

[final star]

Time for me to dumb it down more

like a car crash you can't look away

[slate crown]

He means to say you "know" it exists not that you "know" it exists.

[runic hinge]

I think nasa is just trying to keep me from the moon

[slate crown]

come on get with it

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

Cause the moon is made of cheese

And I want to eat it

[junior aurora]

ill show u a moon

[silk bane]

not exactly, for example,

[junior aurora]

and some form of cheese u can try eating

[final star]

doesn't uranium taste sour

[silk bane]

we know these could potentially exist, so we went looking for them, even though we never found them in nature. but since the periodic table was missing them, we knew they could potentially exist. maye of them did in fact exist, otheres didnt

btw thats atomic number 92 or higher

[keen spruce]

are you suggesting that seli knew that fire theoretically existed without having ever observed it in the wild then sought to discover it

[junior aurora]

yes

Selitheus

[silk bane]

yes duh. god told him in secret. because god respects his elders

[slate crown]

Oh now that's cheating then he just listened to someone read off the answer key then confirmed it

[keen spruce]

ok fair enough

[silk bane]

weird that u asking this since u were there when bro was mking the first fire.... u should remember this

[slate crown]

May have been one of the naysayers

[junior aurora]

even jesus had haters

[silk bane]

only oxi has no haters

[spice spire]

No he has at least two

Myself and a deep lore hater

[silk bane]

u know that toxic ex that like hates you because theyre still in love with you and cant have you?

anyone who hates oxi is that

[keen spruce]

bruther I was just paddling around eating grass

ducks don't need fire

[junior aurora]

i wish i was oxis toxic ex

[spice spire]

Ur a frog tho

[junior aurora]

they taste pretty good over a fire tho

[silk bane]

frog duck

[shy pecan]

I love crispy duck

[balmy condor]

if oxi has no haters, then I'm alive, and that's a threat

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-shy-kermit-terrified-scared-gif-17697469

[spice spire]

[silk bane]

If oxi has a million fans, then I am one of them. If oxi has ten fans, then I am one of them. If oxi has only one fan then that is me. If oxi has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against oxi, then I am against the world.

[junior aurora]

oxi works morning shift in answering questions found in the wowhead guide for whispyr thats why hes not a hater

[shy pecan]

If oxi has a million fans, then I am one of them. If oxi has ten fans, then I am one of them. If oxi has only one fan then that is me. If oxi has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against oxi, then I am against the world.

[balmy condor]

I remember when @marble hemlock and me covered the shifts

I'd go to bed when he woke up

and we'd just spend all day screenshotting our guides

[split jewel]

is sudden demise working for anyone else in remix?

[silk bane]

can we get an !oxi command for this

[shy pecan]

Second this

[junior aurora]

90% of the stuff in all class discords can be solved by looking at wowhead or learning how to read logs tbh

[balmy condor]

it's all sorts of buggy because remix scaling is more janky than the moonshine you got from that one dude with a glass eye in the middle of the woods who swore to you that the secret to a good high is skunk urine

[junior aurora]

he aint wrong tho skunk piss will get u fucked up

[balmy condor]

if blizzard ever fixes their half baked ass level scaling I will post a picture of myself wearing nothing but a thick layer of peanut butter

[junior aurora]

chunky?

[balmy condor]

that shit is unfixable

forget before gta6

we're gonna be playing gta9 before they fix that nonsense lmao

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

me applying to blizzard

to work on their leveling scaling

rn

I googled blizzard careers. first link was to a page that just said "really?"

[balmy condor]

coming up on 8 years and it's only gotten worse

they really said every zone is a max level zone

and then couldn't make the math work for nearly a decade

incredible

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/nouns-nounish-nounsdao-abacus-counting-gif-16562575250327679873

[marble hemlock]

huh

[silk bane]

me when i see the level 10 arcane mage one shot the whole dungeon

[final star]

Wow 2 when?!?!?!??!?!?!

[marble hemlock]

i was summoned

was the required sacrifice made?

[balmy condor]

remix is just another in a long line of things that they just released with 0 testing

[marble hemlock]

wdym there was like 2 or even 3 days of PTR

[balmy condor]

huge

[marble hemlock]

cata classic beta was a lot longer

so im starting to feel the length of the external testing period isnt really relevant

[balmy condor]

best qa in the business I've been told

[marble hemlock]

worst part is

thats probably true

[silk bane]

to be honest with you im having a blast with remix. i dont touch raids i just farm my bronze to get the things i want. my character feels like a god. i litearlly look at things they get evaporated. isa vibe

i almost feel as powerful as an unergeared spriest without lust

[balmy condor]

you can feel that powerful while also recognizing the game is a buggy nightmare

like you feel like a god for sure

but a fresh level 70 was getting obliterated by random mobs on the street for like a week and a half

people were offering leveling carries

except it was like level 25 twinks carrying

not max level

once you get all your bronze it's whatever

you just delete things regardless

but the entire experience gearing up and leveling is riddled with scaling issues

[silk bane]

oh for sure, this thing was insanely bad. first week or so was basically the real ptr LOL

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[inner talon]

!pi

wheres that chart with the pi targets

[runic hinge]

bloodmallet

[mint imp]

Caustic spatter or Internal bleeding for 2 targets?

[ornate zodiac]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[wanton spear]

is there any way to make it so poison bomb doesn't cover boss mechanics?

[balmy condor]

caustic

[balmy condor]

no

[wanton spear]

lame

[tropic tundra]

At least its much better than the unholy one

[twilit lagoon]

This is, I'm sure, a stupid question, but... Do both attacks of mutilate have a chance to proc lethal poison?

[slate crown]

Yes

[twilit lagoon]

Thank you.

[novel arrow]

Guys do we know Assas's Mastery softcap?

[balmy condor]

no such thing

[novel arrow]

nice ok. ❤️

[rotund oak]

Legion alpha from November to May

they took their time

5 months Alpha

[marble hemlock]

alphas were different back then tho

think the first month there was literally nothing to do

mione farmed 1 level from maxlevel mobs in old zones, none of the new zones were accessible

only testable things for that month were talents

[rotund oak]

im not against that tbh,take another month for the game to be good

idc

[marble hemlock]

i mean things werent any better back then

legion released with all the issues that people predicted/complained about since late alpha

took them 6+ months to "fix"

[rotund oak]

yeah can recall the drama

[marble hemlock]

rosetinted glasses these days go hard for legion but the release fucking sucked

[rotund oak]

all releases suck

[brave gyro]

Idk if it's a fair comparssion, because Legion also canibalized 13 months of WoD to be where it was xD

[rotund oak]

i didnt compare it to anything,just realized how big alpha was

[brave gyro]

I thought it was implied, mb homie

[rotund oak]

dw fam

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mystic spire]

Is there a specific mob for us to use Cruel Dreamcarver on prior to a key?

[balmy condor]

use it once on a dragonkin for the speed buff and then you never touch the dagger ever again

[mystic spire]

Thank you!

[grim jay]

How do you apply poisons and runes if you dont touch it

[balmy condor]

exrt ready check

[grim jay]

Based

[stable jay]

should I get Diurna's or Dreamcarver first?

[balmy condor]

depends what your current dagger/rings look like

if you have any decent dagger, probably not dreamcarver

if you have decent rings, probably not diurna's

[stable jay]

489 - 454 ilvl daggers and 454 - 454 ilvl rings

[balmy condor]

definitely the dreamcarver then just for ilvl alone

[stable jay]

okay ty

[grim jay]

@balmy condor neltharions worth to get for m+? Currently using the raid setup with ashes n torch

Rng shouldnt be that bad in m+ I guess

[slate crown]

Why would the rng be different?

[grim jay]

Because it has more time to equalize

Obviously

[dusk onyx]

when do i have to use ashes? right after Deathmark?

[grim jay]

One could argue you have variances based on if it procs on big pulls or not tho

[safe pivot]

yooooooo

I was wondering what to craft on rogue if i should craft a blue silken lining ring wrist or boots

second blue silken lining

Unsure if I want to aim for having both of the vault rings or just damage one

[grim jay]

After DM or after kb

[grim jay]

Also gotta consider if you want brezz

[safe pivot]

brezz?

[dusk onyx]

thanks for your answer.
whats the difference?

[grim jay]

After kb is potentially better for ST, but it can get awkward in m+ where you might use stuff differently

I have ashes macroed to DM for m+ and kb for raid

[clever sapphire]

the difference in dmg between the 2 is so minimal, you shouldnt really care imo

[grim jay]

Battle rezz through engi wrists

[safe pivot]

Would I really need that though since i'm only raiding mythic

I've not really pushed high keys

[dusk onyx]

Ok im asking for st raid. Thought about it cause i lose so much time of the trinket when i use ith right after DM in the opener as guide say

[grim jay]

If you only raid no

[potent raven]

why did i craft a helmet on week one i didnt know i would reroll to fotm

[dusk onyx]

Thanks thats the way i guess!

[safe pivot]

Would I need both of the vault rings or only one?

or should i craft wrist/boots

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[grim jay]

Thats really unfortunate
I had the head slot open bcs I wanted to craft engi head, is pretty good anyways

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-wiggle-nuts-balls-gif-19773131

[safe pivot]

I casted void bolt

[quiet oar]

Im calling the cops

[safe pivot]

Yes you called me?

[grim jay]

Oh no Mr officer, someone forced me

[quiet oar]

Arrest his man

[true thistle]

Hi, what are best embelishments right now?

I do have toxics and shadowflame patch on my belt

In vault i do have myth feet which i can use catalyst on to replace toxic thorns

I do have seal of diurnas chosen

What should be my go to embelishments right now?

x2 shadowflame
or
x1 shadowflame || x1 blue silken lining

my main area of interests are raid as assa

[safe pivot]

I think blue silken lining is meant to be good

i'm myself trying to figure out what to put as my second blue silken lining

[balmy condor]

Always double blue silk

[safe pivot]

so

what

do i

make

i got one belt

what make my second one?

[balmy condor]

Anything

Why

Are

We

Typing

[safe pivot]

I

[balmy condor]

Like

This

[safe pivot]

don't

know

I

like

you

you

is cool

[balmy condor]

Just craft something

You got big rings?

[safe pivot]

I got some wrist with sockets

got crit mastery and haste verse

Big crit small mastery and big haste small verse

[balmy condor]

Okay but what ilvl

[grim jay]

You wanna arrest Whispyr?

[safe pivot]

don't know if i should go for both diurna rings or just one

[balmy condor]

Both is good

[safe pivot]

heroic 1/6

[balmy condor]

Hm

[safe pivot]

so thinking to save for diurna rings

or buying the cloak

[true thistle]

Okay so double blie silken lining

thanks for the info

[balmy condor]

Cloak should be probably last thing to consider

[safe pivot]

sark cloak not crafted cloak

[balmy condor]

Yah

Sark cloak is pretty minor

[safe pivot]

what do i got that deals fire damage

just my head enchant?

[balmy condor]

Helm enchant, grieftorch

[safe pivot]

true

i could enchant shadowflame wreathe for extra fire couldn't i?

[balmy condor]

You could

[safe pivot]

asking theoretically

oke

[balmy condor]

In general we don’t gear around the ring at all

[safe pivot]

so the ring is just bonus dmg

[balmy condor]

We just equip the ring and whatever it procs is just free damage and we move on with our lives

[frank axle]

how much uptime is the sim calculating for blue lining, 90%?

[grim jay]

As much as it is set to

Down below

[balmy condor]

Think default is like 60?

[frank axle]

ah sorry, overlooked the field. thx

[potent raven]

i set it to 80

[autumn remnant]

this is the most up to date profile right

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent raven]

personally me

[balmy condor]

That’s pretty insane

[balmy condor]

Sure but what’s the point of having a most up to date bis

Slobber over a big number I guess

[autumn remnant]

just wanted to see what items it has

[balmy condor]

pointless

[autumn remnant]

I just look at it and sim

[potent raven]

i cant even craft eng bracers cuz that slots taken too truly unlucky

[balmy condor]

no one "just looks at it"

there's 2 people in this world

[royal lantern]

damm

me and?

[autumn remnant]

no bro, like, I look at the items it has, and put them in the topgear

[balmy condor]

but why

[sharp viper]

there's 2 wolves inside of you

[royal lantern]

(they are making out)

[autumn remnant]

they are good items no?

[grim jay]

Was that consentual?

[balmy condor]

they're items like any other items in the game

[autumn remnant]

unless u mean, I should just droptimise

[balmy condor]

ofc you should

[sharp viper]

my sims are telling me to not use the eranog ring

[autumn remnant]

well I guess, yea

[royal lantern]

thats when you tell your sims to shut up

[autumn remnant]

u r not wrong

[balmy condor]

here, the two people:

person 1 is the guy opening bis and coping that bis will have the answers to the universe and it'll help them unlock the secrets of the ancient dps gods forgotten by the sands of time (to whatever extent they believe in that)

person 2 realizes that bis is a pointless endeavor and provides no value to a human playing the game because the concept of it is unobtainable and incoherent to how the game actually is played

you can choose to be person 1 and waste your time

or ya know

sim yourself

[safe pivot]

damn that's deep

[quiet oar]

[hidden light]

I ended up going suffering over grieftorch and I feel dirty

[safe pivot]

i judst bought mine

[grim jay]

Wdym just buy both

[autumn remnant]

if u want to sim for multiple raids, do u not just topgear and paste the items from all raids that are crit/haste/mastery or smthing similar

[hidden light]

I mean I already bought boon, bandolier, and ashes

[royal lantern]

and grieftorch is good

[grim jay]

Ugh

[balmy condor]

no that sounds miserable

[hidden light]

I just want all the vers in the world I can squeeze in

[grim jay]

Boon and bandolier

[autumn remnant]

.

[safe pivot]

So for this weeks bullion I should buy the damage ring or the shield ring?

[hidden light]

I was on a small outlaw kick and I regret buying them now

[balmy condor]

on a normal season it's item level until like 6/9 mythic

[safe pivot]

Me too

[balmy condor]

and then droptimizer

same concept here except the entire season is a steamroll

[safe pivot]

I wanted to do keys got told to do outlaw got outlaw weapon and trinket

[royal lantern]

logical Reaction

[safe pivot]

but i like assa

[balmy condor]

so you just always droptimizer

[autumn remnant]

do gems/enchants not affect the sim though

so if u have a normal season, where there is only 1 raid, u put all the items in top gear with enchant/gems

[royal lantern]

gems/enchants are waaaaaaaaaaaaay less noticable and important then most people act they are

[balmy condor]

having gems and enchants are important

which gems and enchants are not

[royal lantern]

^

[balmy condor]

the same reason item level is the most important stat

having more stat is better

it's just your total number of stats is greater than before

fucking whatever those stats are

[autumn remnant]

I see

[inner urchin]

no free crest upgrade for me?

[safe pivot]

oof

[balmy condor]

need to be both hands

I think

[inner urchin]

How come I got a free crest upgrade on my warrior but not on this char

[quiet oar]

You need both hands

[inner urchin]

Ah

Damn

[quiet oar]

to be higher ilvl

Dual wield classes need to pay double

[inner urchin]

Weird though, my warrior's second highest offhand still gave me the equivalent of my highest (515) free

[royal lantern]

cus your warrior is probs using a 2hand weapon, and 2hand weapons have double the costs then 1hand weapons

[inner urchin]

oh

that's lame asf

[quiet oar]

Warrior is special

[inner urchin]

lmao

oh well

[royal lantern]

like, a ret/dk/arms upgrading their 2hand weapon has the same cost as a dh/rogue/enh upgrading main and offhand

only fury warrior is a bit special there

but fuck fury lmao

[inner urchin]

The one special treatment fury gets I suppose

[stuck knoll]

Firstly fuck you

Secondly

[royal lantern]

i wish

[stuck knoll]

Warrior has arms which is a 1h spec

[royal lantern]

2h weapon

[stuck knoll]

So getting a weapon maxes out slots for arms

Ye but it only uses 1 weapon

[autumn remnant]

ngl tho this spec is very different in terms of what stats to go for, on outlaw I just do versa, on sub I just do mastery. this spec seems to like everything

[stuck knoll]

Is what I meant

Not 2

Could phrase it better but we

[royal lantern]

ronkley, we mean the same thing and talk past eachother

[stuck knoll]

[slate crown]

So, "Discord Servers"

[stuck knoll]

Happens

[grim jay]

Fury players are special in different ways

[cursive owl]

guys, i got Diurna ring, Grieftorch, Ashes, what else to buy with the Soup Cubes ?

[grim jay]

Whatever you need

[stuck knoll]

Do you have a weapon?

Just droptimiser it

[cursive owl]

[grim jay]

Post a pic or droptimizer

[stuck knoll]

Or start on stuff for other specs

[cursive owl]

u can droptimicer the soup cubes O_O ?

[stuck knoll]

Ye

Season 4 raid vendor

Is the name of the option

[cursive owl]

i see

im at work so no screens, i try raibots for it

O-o

OH

i can take the back

[normal mist]

But don't

[grim jay]

I try to avoid the back as much as possible

[normal mist]

It still takes us out of stealth

[cursive owl]

OH it does O_O ? ok

then ill take the Dagger

[inner urchin]

Wait, silent star breaks stealth?

[quiet oar]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evokers legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[inner urchin]

wack

[normal mist]

Ring isn't an option?

[quiet oar]

Only when i put it on your Finger

[inner urchin]

[normal mist]

[cursive owl]

i was to tell the same, only if i put it on your finger UwU

but ! , i dunno

[grim jay]

[normal mist]

Holy damn, I do have 5 fingers on each hand

[cursive owl]

Ring so good ? LUL

i mean Realy good stats and free ABsorb

[grim jay]

In sounds disgusting

On would be fine

[normal mist]

My non native English speaking ass betrayed me once again

On/in/at is so ughhhh

[inner urchin]

Both Diurna's/Filial rings are good yeah

[cursive owl]

mhm

but i wanna switch out diurnas ring

[normal mist]

And that ring does go up to 535 = even more stats

Why?

[grim jay]

Idk filial aint that good with the limited slots you got

[cursive owl]

joking wanna trigger ppl xD

[inner urchin]

Helm enchant + CSB + Shadowflame patch seems to proc it reliably enough

[cursive owl]

we had this shit convo before ,

[normal mist]

Boy we did xD

[cursive owl]

i still hate the ring but i gues, ill have it then

[inner urchin]

I mean, get what you want

I took a "bad" trinket for one bullion pick because I like it

[cursive owl]

wasted 1400 Versa >w<

[normal mist]

Wasted?

[cursive owl]

yes

[normal mist]

Say cap

[cursive owl]

1400 Mastery better

[inner urchin]

false

[cursive owl]

NO CAP

[normal mist]

Here we go again

[slate crown]

Wait does the bullion version go up to 535?

[normal mist]

The shield ring yes

[grim jay]

But it "feels" better

[cursive owl]

<< i know the stat prio , bu i pref mastery over vers

[grim jay]

[inner urchin]

[slate crown]

The damage ring does not?

[cursive owl]

i also pref crit over mastery , cause for me it feels better to play with :3

[royal lantern]

kinda based

[grim jay]

No bcs its from eranog

Early boss

[slate crown]

Ah right

Makes sense thx

[stable jay]

thoughts on which to get? the neck item is a downgrade and the back item is a 6 ilvl upgrade so they are kinda meh but between the pants (I need new pants) or the puzzle box? (I have greiftorch and embersoul)

[quiet oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[stable jay]

id say the pants

[cursive owl]

pants bis stats

[normal mist]

Almost all the special items from the raids go up to 535 (sark back, diurna shield ring, Raza bow, Fyrakk trinkets, etc)

[stable jay]

damn is it that bad?? 😅

[grim jay]

Id get sockets

But I also wouldnt sit with that ilvl for long

So it depends on what you do

[stuck knoll]

You can also sim that stuff vs GV sockets

[stable jay]

the pants are a 30 ilvl upgrade from my current ones

[stuck knoll]

Which is probably the best course of action

[cursive owl]

take em

its T set

[stable jay]

ookay

[cursive owl]

the Agi increase is High

[grim jay]

Idk you can just get better ones from a dungeon

[inner urchin]

You can yeah, but free pants

[quiet oar]

Ye

[cursive owl]

depends if he/she got tokens for catalyst

[grim jay]

But free sockets long run

[quiet oar]

You have like 6 Charges

[grim jay]

And not potentially 1 dungeon long upgrade

[quiet oar]

on catalyst now

[inner urchin]

Only if socketables are good ilevel to start with

[quiet oar]

if you didnt use one

[cursive owl]

True

[inner urchin]

True yeah, there's a lot of catylist charges at this point

[grim jay]

Its crafted for atleast one item brother

[inner urchin]

Oh I know

[stable jay]

I have 3 awakened raids left for the week, should I do those first before picking the pants over the tokens?

[inner urchin]

I've seen some wack people not get wrists/bracers as their craftables though

er

Wrists/Belt

[cursive owl]

OK

Question

[inner urchin]

potential answer

[normal mist]

You can't feel mastery btw, but you can feel CRIT and versatility