assassination

[thorn fjord]

Can you be my hero?

[gusty mirage]

dude I remember one morning I sat in halls of atonement for 3 hours

with a friend

[royal lantern]

why would you not wear a cape??

empty item slot lol

[gusty mirage]

then I had people bitching that I didn't get every ability on the sheet

lol

[spice surge]

Well thats because sark doesnt drop em that often, once we get more bullions im sure more of the heroes venturing into aberrus will be wearing it

[grim jay]

Lie detected

[thorn fjord]

i get mine next week

[gusty mirage]

glhf in keys without the stam

nerd

[grim jay]

You dont have friends, you only have admirers and followers

[spice surge]

I got mine this week because i rolled 98 on it when it dropped

[spice surge]

Bold of you to assume ill be playing keys

[thorn fjord]

laughs in 43% verse

[gusty mirage]

the tank I play with just got his anvil from his chicken boullions

so now I just do a casual 500k overall in keys on the pally

never dropping anvil stacks

[misty kernel]

send them where they belong

[rotund oak]

habibi pump

[cursive owl]

holy fk

hello new goat

[rotund oak]

@potent raven feast with ur eyes

[potent raven]

haha

wpwp

[cursive owl]

zero my new gigachad target

[rotund oak]

wdym bruh

habibi traditional sin gamer

[cursive owl]

brah

hes doing 728 , im happy to get 200k , im a newb getting my eyes opened up for how good u can be

[rotund oak]

eveyrone can get there,keep pushing it will come fam 🔥

[cursive owl]

hell yeah

[willow grotto]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torpid estuary]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dark token]

Not that hard esp with pi

Sin kinda cranks now

If u want the top log check out kush

811k

[thorn fjord]

Put some respect on zero's name bro

[dark token]

Even in a 12 with no pi I hit 700k

With some random pug shitters

Priest ping the ret paladin

Easier to do higher dam in keys where the trash lives longer

Can prob get 8-900k with a pi, good route, in a higher key

[gusty mirage]

was your mage afk

[thorn fjord]

I gotta try out a sin key this season

[past bobcat]

Sin without pi though in raid :/

[spice surge]

Its definitely not :/, even without PI

Still does good damage

[spice spire]

Tell them eleem!

[spice surge]

Sark especially goes so hard

Coming out with the haste buff in p3, boss in execute and BL popped

Boss getting absolutely blasted

[misty kernel]

warlock rain of fire lose too

[gusty mirage]

isn't destro supposed to be broken rn

or did the hotfix make them caca again

[spice surge]

Theyre only broken on really high target counts

[next dust]

the real babayaga

[misty kernel]

bro casual is insane

[grim jay]

what build are you currently running? the ap sudden demise one? 😄

[misty kernel]

82% ebon uptime

[gusty mirage]

so they're caca

got it

[misty kernel]

i swear casual is insane

[tropic zodiac]

Was the tank letting you restealth or are you this kind of beast ?

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• You can add in some sanguine/rupture value from carnage, but chaining allows for higher uptime and smoother energy overall, eliminating a lot of ramp at the start of a pull
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths (chain heavy spiteful weeks are only about -30% on stealths)
• You still have vanish and shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[next dust]

he mains rogue, did you expect anything else?

[gusty mirage]

can he give lessons to other augvokers

because holy fuck some of these dragons are absolutely dogshit

[tropic zodiac]

Sick

[misty kernel]

bro i pug with evokers 60% ebon :S

[gusty mirage]

mfers got 50% uptime on ebonmight complaining about group damage

[misty kernel]

i swear it makes big difference

to play with good aug

[gusty mirage]

it really is

[misty kernel]

i did peek 1.1M at 1st boss coz casual with AOE build

[gusty mirage]

a good aug makes a 15 feel like a 10

I swear

[misty kernel]

i ltrly peeked 1.1M dps at 1st boss coz just good evoker

[keen mantle]

Its a rogue guys

[spice surge]

Wdym? Do you not like to see breath come out when you still have 10 sec left on deathmark cd?

[keen mantle]

just green

[gusty mirage]

yo sick mog

[misty kernel]

i played this

but AUG DIFF

[keen mantle]

Meanwhile my rogue is 528 with 20% avoidance

and im here with pigeon

[misty kernel]

FUCKING AUG DIFFFFFFF

[junior aurora]

no ironwire

cooked

[gusty mirage]

only real gamers play with the candy cane sword mog

[misty kernel]

bro i have vdh and am playing AOe build

if i go ironwire

i will do -10k ST

but ltrly casual diff

tank took 50k overall from us making 2nd boss 1 extra phase tho and pull boss out of breath KEK

[gusty mirage]

a guy queued for my key and was talented into DTB without amp poison AMA

[misty kernel]

ETA GG

[gusty mirage]

[junior aurora]

deadly/wound gg

sanguine week

[misty kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[gusty mirage]

I'm banning you

[limber lion]

Did you queue with me

[junior aurora]

please

[gusty mirage]

did you come to NA

[misty kernel]

@keen mantle TGP AUG + ASSA 2v5 ?

[gusty mirage]

also idk how ret pallies die

ever

[keen mantle]

we can send assa outlaw

wtf you talking about

[gusty mirage]

the only time I've ever died in a key was when I ripped aggro

[misty kernel]

assa outlaw sp ?

[junior aurora]

bubble

[misty kernel]

the sp gonna cry

[junior aurora]

cant even die when u rip aggro

[misty kernel]

where is my lust where is my int buff

xD

[gusty mirage]

I need bubble so I can stand in bad and channel my leggo

[junior aurora]

bop

[gusty mirage]

unga bunga

imagine taking bop in not uldaman

or brh

[junior aurora]

idk my paladin is a filthy frogmaxxer rn

[keen mantle]

Can craft cloak aswell

[junior aurora]

i dont press bop bc it has 70% vers and doesnt take damage anyway

[keen mantle]

@misty kernel jealous?

[gusty mirage]

yo fr tho

when are they nerfing ret

[junior aurora]

lol balance

[gusty mirage]

BRO

THEY NERFED S1 ASSA

[junior aurora]

only thing blizz is doing rn is working on tww and nerfing bronze farms in mop

[gusty mirage]

LIKE 8 TIMES

REEEEEE

and it wasn't even as strong as ret

[shy pecan]

When the leggo goes away

[misty kernel]

@keen mantle AUG DIFF I SWEAR

[gusty mirage]

you think its the leggo causing ret to be broken?

because I'm telling you its not the leggo

lmao

[junior aurora]

maybe templar will just be severely undertuned

[gusty mirage]

and with tww changes when they don't have to sacrifice as much ST to do aoe

it'll be broken af

[shy pecan]

[misty kernel]

@keen mantle am still missing 6 items for assa gear

[keen mantle]

aug rotation is insanely easy and uptime btw , the hard part of aug is all the around stuff , like making others survive and stuff

[misty kernel]

why all lfg augs have 60% ebon ?

[gusty mirage]

wdym I heard aug is the hardest class EVER

[misty kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/question-mark-gif-7704566

[gusty mirage]

"it's hard to get above 70% ebon might uptime"

[keen mantle]

THE SAME REASON WHY SOME ROGUES HAVE 80% AR UPTIME

[gusty mirage]

• every augvoker in lfg

[keen mantle]

oops i said that

[gusty mirage]

I had a shaman who interrupted 3 times in a nokhud last week

that was so much fun

imagine having the best kick in the game and only pressing it 3 times

[junior aurora]

yikes

[gusty mirage]

when he died to the stormbolts in nokhud

[keen mantle]

imagine having long kick

[gusty mirage]

"WHY DID I DIE?"

idk man

[keen mantle]

and have same as tank

[gusty mirage]

you tell me

[keen mantle]

lul

[junior aurora]

whats tank kicking that he cant silence sigil

[shy pecan]

I love when disrupting shouts go off in NO

[queen egret]

Can someone explain on assa St opener, why do we reapply rupture as 2. finisher in KB if its already on the target?

[junior aurora]

lasts longer and gets nightstalker buff

thank god ns is going away lol

[misty kernel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[misty kernel]

he cant Kick its GCD he will die

[hollow knot]

for multi target i just need to keep switching all

or just focus on 1 add

[limber lion]

You use IC to spread bleeds everywhere

FoK to spread poisons

And then you othetwise full single target a big mob with Spatter

[covert kraken]

Hey guys, 2 questions.

1. What ability should I macro Embersoul to?
2. Should I even macro it to an abilty in the first place?

I'm relearning Sin rogue and want to take as many variables out of the equation, for now at least!

[proven jasper]

Iirc you can macro it to dm

and it’s perfectly fine

[covert kraken]

That was my initial thought as the CDs line up perfectly, but wasn't sure it was optimal

[proven jasper]

thats i what im doing currently

[covert kraken]

Ok thanks 🙂

[royal lantern]

2. yes

3. kingsbane or deathmark, doesnt make a real difference tbh

[wide ferry]

@misty kernel u runnin the art precison build?

[misty kernel]

@wide ferry

[wide ferry]

i saw you had 4 poisons on and thought maybe youre runnin cleave

[slender trench]

If you can get pi better playing sub?

Cant*

[ivory flower]

No

[clever sapphire]

it would mean not playing assa so its just worse by default

[past bobcat]

You will probably struggle to parse very well but you can still play ass without pi. Sub and ass sim pretty identical

[silk bane]

i had a ww not even take kick. get on my level nerd

[fallen arch]

Uh that’s just not true

You don’t need pi to parse well

[dark token]

I run this build in tyran

Ama

CT dtb/arterial precision with instant/deadly poison

Better single target than aoe builds without giving up CT for dogshit overall

[wide ferry]

Tank was chain pulling like crazy too, sin is back fo sho

[potent raven]

naisu

i run this in tyran

it feels good but no blindside feels a bit aids but its w/e

[waxen oyster]

what key level

[wide ferry]

10

my ST is awful tho im gonna do some logs and upload em here maybe someone can check em out

[waxen oyster]

Not bad for an assa overall ig

[past bobcat]

Do a lot of the top parses not have pi?

[wide ferry]

brotha im doing like 170k st lmao

def doin something major wrong

[waxen oyster]

i do like over 500s on the few nelths i did as outlaw

overall

[waxen oyster]

oh ret level st

[past bobcat]

But what about AA 🙂

[waxen oyster]

havent run an AA in weeks

440 ish like 3 weeks ago

last AA

[pure moth]

This. I parsed fairly well in heroic without pi or wf or any real buffs tuesday. Only had monk that night.

[waxen oyster]

People’s definition of well is different

[scenic otter]

Church, just clarifying: you’re running the cleave build with CT in M+? If so, where are you taking the point from to get CT? (Sorry if this is dumb/already answered!)

[rotund wagon]

Maybe not as bad as you think. If you’re running AP and don’t have all the gears or buffs and lust it’s not like your ST is anything to write epic poems about.

[dark token]

I drop amp poison

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[pliant terrace]

should uh dks always get pi over sin rogues?

[junior aurora]

is the uh dk good

they should probably get first PI if they are and then any other PI goes on the rogue

[proven jasper]

Literally give it to the better player between the two and its perfectly fine

or that

[pliant terrace]

For now let's just say equal skill for sake of discussion

[proven jasper]

Pi assa in exe or something

unholy on pull

[fallen arch]

^

[dark token]

L @final star

[final star]

padder

[dark token]

0 pad

[final star]

is that

caustic spatter

on sark

I think it might be

[dark token]

add needs to die

before boss phase

[final star]

no they don't

[dark token]

[final star]

with ur L strat

of sending in p2

perhaps

not for ours

we get 2nd adds

[dark token]

ye the sark strat wasnt good

[final star]

all the time save is p1 and p2

and boss damage is all that matters

[dark token]

lust in p1 i dont think is good anyway

we werent going for speedkill

just 4fun

[final star]

lust in p1 is better because you have haste buff in p3

with all cd's

it's poggers

[dark token]

we didnt have with cds

[final star]

L strat

we aren't even speed kill comps yet either

[dark token]

spatter isnt even that much dmg

[final star]

there is a lot more time to be saved

[dark token]

i still win on dmg dealt to sark

its the hold p2 strat holding you back

[final star]

1 extra cd use does more damage on a 40s longer fight

[spice surge]

I did more than both of you and i didnt have PI

Although we had some accidents happening

[final star]

yeah only 2 mins slower than us too

[spice surge]

My ashes procced during my last CD set

[potent raven]

neltharion took one good pull

sad my cds didnt align with bl

[dark token]

you had lust p3 in execute with haste buff

you dont need pi

[spice surge]

[final star]

[past bobcat]

Sin going to pump for amir too?

[spice surge]

Yes chef

[nimble zinc]

on sark do you just do caustic splatter for adds or do you take IC or CT ?

most other fights with adds, i just use caustic splatter with KB, but I wasnt sure if Sark's adds were beefier

[spice surge]

Nah dont take IC or CT, only the big add is really something you'd care much about

But with current gear levels not even

[nimble zinc]

Yeah I only take IC on council of dream in Amir.

[dark token]

ic and ct are only for council fights

[nimble zinc]

and yeah primal council I did better with full aoe / m+ build

[past bobcat]

Cool only a 3500 dps variance between my sub gear and if I re craft to sin which is negligible

[real sinew]

besides tankiness, how much difference is there between outlaw and assa (with pi) in m+

[slate crown]

stats arent real they cna't hurt u

[royal lantern]

i hate that people call tyranical keys tyran

it confuses the fuck out of me every single time

[tall atlas]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[slate crown]

ngl someone in my guild of 15 years has an alias of "Tyran" so your name has confused me forever as I try to stumble to read it

[dark token]

i run this in fort lol

[potent raven]

i like it

kinda meh for st but we/

[clever sapphire]

guys i dont like sark

how do i start enjoying it

[gusty mirage]

he doesn't like you either

[clever sapphire]

its fine

[gusty mirage]

that's the neat part

you don't

[clever sapphire]

the less time i see him the better it is

fack

[earnest remnant]

me and my sub gear doing work

[gusty mirage]

I wish you'd do work on me on god fr fr

[earnest remnant]

well pull up then

[gusty mirage]

can we hang out with @spice surge after

[halcyon crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[earnest remnant]

sure but no kebab banana pizza

[spice surge]

I didnt spatter though, full natty

[spice surge]

Dw im pretentious af with my pizza, so no kebab or banana here

[silk bane]

OH NO ITS THE PICKLE PIZZA I KNEW IT

[spice surge]

I buy fancy wood oven ones with like mozzarella, tomato sauce and nduja sausage

[final star]

jokes on you sub gear is assa gear

[earnest remnant]

not mine

[shy pecan]

Pics

In you know where

[spice surge]

I dont have it right now i meant more in general

[shy pecan]

Next time

[spice surge]

Yes chef!

[shy pecan]

Boss gave me and my coworker gift cards for our welcome lunch. Got some poke

[spice surge]

Very nice

[gilded oasis]

yummy

and welcome to where

[shy pecan]

Welcome to the team lunch

[gilded oasis]

pogu

congrats on the new job. or not congrats if you arent happy about it

[shy pecan]

It’s pretty good. Good pay, good team, good dynamics. Can’t complain

WFH

[gilded oasis]

woohoo!

[vestal wren]

looks nice

[gilded oasis]

hook me up i need a new or 3rd job

[shy pecan]

Haha, if you’re on the west coast, then maybe…

[shy pecan]

Was solid. I love poke bowls for lunch

[gilded oasis]

In Cali but idk researching moving some day

[shy pecan]

Depending on the role and expertise, might be able to find stuff. Can DM me if interested

Or connect you to folks

[gilded oasis]

Lisonna asking the real questions

[slate crown]

And congrats, always good to find a good place esp WFH

[rotund oak]

We got beef

[gusty mirage]

jokes on you my ass in on your ass

[next dust]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[final star]

[formal harness]

are we holding energy aboth 150 or just spam it empty? :^

[spice surge]

Neither

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[potent raven]

why did i fall under map

ohnvm

man wtf sarkareth is confusing

[final star]

haha

it's simple as stand in x place at x time

for the whole fight

as melee

[potent raven]

yep true

i figured now

but took few pulls to even understand dafuq goin on

[final star]

it's quite a quick fight

even now

[past forum]

that's a serious poke bowl right there

[clever sapphire]

aight sark is officially my least liked endboss this addon

[potent raven]

lotta people doing it for the first time in our guild rn including me

needs a lil coordination

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kMfkdpkjWxbabHnQvnpEGo we getting big

i realized after next week i only have one item off full bis

bullions are nuts

[final star]

yeah it's not easy if you've never done it

[final star]

get me some yeezys

a better neck

and sark cloak

I just need to recraft wrists

[dark token]

im still malding over my NORMAL nick of time

im debating neck craft tbh

my neck kinda sucks

[past bobcat]

75% BSL tho

[potent raven]

go farm the nokhud neck

[dark token]

no? i have default uptime

nah i only replace this

with mythic neck

big

[rough minnow]

I am completely new to assa rogue and i see that there are four builds for m+. which would be the best one to start with?

[dark token]

this one

run this until u do a key +15 or higher

[rough minnow]

ty

[queen egret]

When we use envenom as The first finisher in KB, does it matter what cp we are on?

I sometimes find myself on 3 cp there

[dark token]

how

shiv, kb, garrote

thats guarantee 5

[potent raven]

hm yeah

doing 14-15s rn so running w/e i sent

no arterial

[dark token]

ye its a craft neck angle

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ezx3EK92P2Ejkb63gAcfZC

[queen egret]

!kb

[potent raven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dD8mqYQxWt3ugvV8w8pzsx

missing ilvl

[past bobcat]

Yo I must be simming with the wrong talents. I'm simming 350k with similar gear

[potent raven]

send ur sim

[vagrant hearth]

you run wound poison on sanguine?

had this mage insist its better but i am not sure

[past forum]

never trust a mage

[past bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpsEBc3j7Qcd3gno6Eph46

[clever sapphire]

okay so his sim has sark cloak, 525 neck, timestrike dagger, eranog ring, pants enchant, tight spender, 528 chest

(pointed out the differences that would increase his dps over yours)

[dark token]

if ur running a build without amp poison

its probably better in pugs

you lose personal dmg but prevent a lot of healing

[vagrant hearth]

usaully i take silence never even thinked about take wound poison might be worth

[dark token]

like this build can take wound poison

make sure u get this node too

[clever sapphire]

what does silence have to do with anything tho

[dark token]

this build can also take wound poison

this build cannot

[vagrant hearth]

ye that last one ive been runnig

on tyra

[dark token]

(dont run it unless ur doing 15+)

pls

pls

[past bobcat]

Not his sim the other 360k + one

[dark token]

pls

its only a super high key optimization

and not even that good this season

this build prob better for tyra

[clever sapphire]

ah i have an easy answer

80% uptime on bsl

[vagrant hearth]

well i am doing 14+ atm soon going to 15 dont like ct that much

[visual coyote]

Username is sus

[dark token]

most of it is sark cloak

its quite good

[vagrant hearth]

expect AA and BRH i go ct

[dark token]

wdym

ct is required for sin keys if u want to not be bottom dps

its like 10% of ur dam

up to 15% in big keys like AA

[visual coyote]

idk even low keys I run non ct

[dark token]

ur actually inting

in low keys its big CT bleed build

[shy pecan]

Apparently that was just the "normal" size. Coulda ordered a large...

[clever sapphire]

hear me out, low keys, you know the ones where you can time it with 1 dps

[final star]

I fucking hate CT

[clever sapphire]

who cares about the build

[dark token]

everyone should run this build

below 16

[visual coyote]

Nah

[dark token]

yah

it does like

[visual coyote]

CT propaganda

[dark token]

600k overall

[vagrant hearth]

naa man that feels terrible tyra xd

[dark token]

every single key

[final star]

not with the rats I've done keys with

[visual coyote]

600k overall 100k on lashers

[vagrant hearth]

u doing like 200k dps boss

[dark token]

this is ruby life pulls 10

with some wipes and bad pulls

[final star]

I did like 420k in a +8

I can't deathmark

[visual coyote]

Non CT

[final star]

things die

[dark token]

pi diff

[clever sapphire]

ruby is the prime definition of a cleave key tho

[dark token]

and what key level

[clever sapphire]

why would you not run cleave

[visual coyote]

10

[dark token]

becasuse cleave is dogshit

and yes probably ruby it's best key

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-gif-25796820

[dark token]

ye you got warr buff + pi probably its pretty big

warr buff is quite nice

like 40k by itself

the reason cleave build is dogshit in low keys

nothing lives ur kingsbane

in a key where trash can live kingsbane every pack

its good

(aka 15+)

where trash cant you run this build

[final star]

nothing lives kingsbane sadge

[visual coyote]

Nah even in AA the mobs take KB on a 10

[muted ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kVxuMdqSYGNHe9tWVP7J2o isnt Diurna meant to be dps upgrade?

[dark token]

it depends on ur gear

ur probably down bad for haste/crit

[muted ridge]

seems like

cuz rn I got nothing to craft, nothing to take from shoppa

ggs

[visual coyote]

Need to sim with crafted item variants

[muted ridge]

get Tindral neck or some shit

[dark token]

you've got a lootttt of vers and not much crit haste

consider regem/recraft

check this sim out 1 sec

[tulip heron]

is anyone else struggling to pug keys? I'm 518 i lvl and 2.1k mythic score (I know it's not great, but I'm only trying to get 6+), I've been trying for 30 minutes and keep getting declined

[dark token]

this is a pretty low score but retail is honestly dead rn

i would just push my own key as rogue honestly

its faster to invite people than to be invited

[tulip heron]

I'd get a better score if I could get into a key XD

[visual coyote]

Check if they are missing a lust/cr before you apply people sometimes only take those even on low keys on alts

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d3pgbyP394G8WAZnafDW5S

+4.4k

regem/recraft

[tulip heron]

Last key I did, I can carry a 6-7 key no problem, but I don't get the chance 🥲

[muted ridge]

damn

[tulip heron]

I'm literally applying for everything that pops up, must have 150+ declines now

[dark token]

its not that ur low

[muted ridge]

thanks a lot G

[dark token]

its that evweryone applying is like

2.5k

so they just pick them first

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ivjNViwg7EYkfi5kgJBgD3

[tulip heron]

Aye, so I'm stuck in a cycle of not being able to get rating because I can't get into keys XD

[dark token]

ye

just push your own key

trust me

its muuuuch faster

and you get to pick non scuffed people

i have same problem with 14s rn

i did 14s WEEK ONE with like 480 gear

cant get into one now if i pug

if u fall behind io curve, especially if ur not a meta class

ur kinda fucked

if i want io i always have to use my own key

[high jetty]

Join some discord communities honestly

Last season I struggggled to get 3k

While pugging every thing. Joined some discords, made some friends. Got 3.2 ez

And am already 3k. No one cares if you’re not outlaw when you’re friends lol

[dark token]

outlaw isnt even bis anymore

ties with sin

both specs just suck compared to god comp

where did outlaw go

assa now is bigger

[tulip heron]

Oh I got into a 6, party time

[potent raven]

kek

remember start of szn

how everyone was dooming

about outlaw being so much ahead of us

[high jetty]

Well, we did get very large buffs lol

[past bobcat]

Thanks! I also realize I don't have a leg enchant whoops

[potent raven]

sub rogue buffs wait room

[serene mason]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[clever sapphire]

Get your logs fixed first buddy

[potent raven]

wot

[solar laurel]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[midnight mist]

you know whats bigger

[gusty mirage]

ayo?

[midnight mist]

gm oxi

[gusty mirage]

gm cutie

[grand trail]

any ethnical gamers in chat

[slender trench]

Playin without long arms and having to prioritize targets just makes sin feel worse than outlaw tho

Especially since this season has so many melee swirlies

[waxen oyster]

You still prioritze targets as outlaw

unless you think your main bte target doesnt take more

[slender trench]

What?

What talent

[waxen oyster]

your main target takes more damage still

due to ghostly strike

[slender trench]

O yeah I forgot about ghostly stile

That’s true but it’s not as punishing still as say swapping off your kb target

[waxen oyster]

I mean

its not hard to locate the high hp mob

[slender trench]

If you gotta move during a frontal

Or aoe

[royal lantern]

acro literally doesnt exist anymore in 4-5 months

[waxen oyster]

You can literally sidestep

[royal lantern]

stop complaining about not having acro lol

[waxen oyster]

every frontal

and not lose dps

what are you on about

[slender trench]

I said during aoe

[waxen oyster]

name one that you lose uptime

[slender trench]

Like most dungeons have some sort of melee aoe shit where you gotta move out

[waxen oyster]

The one in nokhud you can evasion

[slender trench]

Dragons in hoi?

[waxen oyster]

theres always a mob you can still hit

in that pack

[slender trench]

Yeah so don’t kb the dragon?

[waxen oyster]

and their breath doesnt cost uptime

[high jetty]

Why are you out of range on dragons in HoI?

[waxen oyster]

This is literally a personal player issue

Not the spec

[slender trench]

Guess so

[waxen oyster]

Sin and sub never needed acro

never had it for years

[slender trench]

Acting like it doesn’t matter is silly

[high jetty]

It matters for first pull in AA

[slender trench]

Having range in melee literally helps a lot lol

[waxen oyster]

yeah it slightly expands your melee range

[slender trench]

Can act elitist if you want

[waxen oyster]

hoi it does nothing

[slender trench]

Bro there plenty of times you need to move out of melee range in hoi

[waxen oyster]

If anything outlaw would lose more from 1 empty gcd

than sin would

[slender trench]

Obviously you can work around it

I just used to my dh that while it doenst have Afro

Acro

It might as well in most abilities

[high jetty]

Frog boss is the only time in hoi you’re out of melee

And just don’t kb before consume lol

[spice surge]

Smh getting PI and claiming to be ethical

[waxen oyster]

How do you play havoc effectively and not be aware of uptime

🤔

havoc is honestly more positionong strict than any rogue spec

[slender trench]

It’s hard for me to get used to the short melee range of rogue

[grand trail]

its SP pi so its like half of pi

[waxen oyster]

”short”

dh is literally same range

[high jetty]

That’s a much more accurate statement

Rather than saying we are elutist lol

[waxen oyster]

Unless you’re one of the havoc players that dashes out of melee range

during inertia

[high jetty]

You can also play acro if you want. It’s a couple% through a key. It’s totally preference. But it’s not 15% and you’re handicapping yourself to play it.

[waxen oyster]

nymue and smolderon are the only two scenarios I’ve seen a direct dps gain from acro tbh

everything else is kinda a crutch

Even then nymue is kinda crutchibg

[proven jasper]

big facts spoken

[ebon steppe]

That guy has been deadly silent since you said this

[cloud night]

Is there something that allows mutilate to change to ambush when it procs? Just wondering, otherwise will make space for ambush on my actionbar.

[balmy condor]

blindside changes your mut to ambush automatically

[cloud night]

Oh damn didn't know that, does it also change to ambush when in stealth?

[balmy condor]

no

[cloud night]

So still need it on my actionbar for shadow dance window and stealth?

[balmy condor]

well you have a stealth bar

the bar swaps

so you put ambush on there

and you're good to go

[cloud night]

Ah I see. Tyx for tip!

[slate crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1233411543421681724/rl7mgpak53rc1.webp

[lament pawn]

Do i care playing around sanguine blades?

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[lament pawn]

Is the damage of sanguine blades something i can compare to other logs?

[balmy condor]

in principle yea

but there's way more variables that affect sanguine damage

like just because you did more sanguine damage doesn't mean you pooled better

usually it's actually the opposite cause the tier set takes prio

but I wouldn't worry too much, this entire pooling gameplay loop is like 1.5% at most

[runic hinge]

prio?

[lament pawn]

Ty whispyr

[slender trench]

Bruh 😫

You guys so fucking toxic

Makes sense being the poison fantasy discord

Dh has way more range on its ability death sweep has quite a bit of range

Eyebeam?

[ebon steppe]

[slender trench]

O forgot throw glaive too

Jeez same range

Your right

[keen spruce]

yes i see eleem there with no externals

very ethical

[runic hinge]

Unlike you rng abuser

[keen spruce]

[last oasis]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[last oasis]

is the Cruel Dreamcarver purely for the defensive value? i still have sark dagger simming for 1k more

[spice surge]

Not much defensive value either, mostly just utility with the speed tbh

But yes, its just "if youre gonna buy a dagger because high ilvl weapon is important, buy this one"

Its not any better than the other weapons at dps, and stats overall can change whats best

[nimble zinc]

How comes rogues didn’t get a legendary dagger?

[balmy condor]

same reason why mages don't get a legendary staff or survival hunters get a legendary staff or demon hunters get a legendary warglaive or shamans get a legendary hammer

[slate crown]

Now, can I get into a mythic pug at 501

let's find out

(Answer: no)

[autumn remnant]

With friends u could probably sneak into one

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stable jay]

anyone have a updated guide for ur rotation for aoe, single target, ect?

I cant tell whats outdated vs not

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

those are maintained by people here and are updated

[stable jay]

tysm

can someone explain how this macro works? is it like when you get out of auto attack range it casts shadow step or ect ect somthin else?

[craggy basin]

if you mouse over an alive target and click SS you will step to them

if you dont have someone mouse overed it will just go to your current target

[stable jay]

what does mouse over mean?

[craggy basin]

it just stops you from having to take the extra action of actually mouse clicking a target

if you hover your mouse over something

it counts as a "target" instead of clicking and having the unit frame show up

[stable jay]

mmm okay

[craggy basin]

im bad at explaining i just wanted to make sure your answer somone else might do a better job than me lol

[stable jay]

so its more so a preference thing

[craggy basin]

yes

[stable jay]

i get what ur saying, ty

[craggy basin]

its supposed to make it quicker on your reactions, its nice for step or even rupture so you dont have to worry about tab targetting

but most will say use w/e feels right or comfortable.

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

u explain gud

[unreal heath]

anyone got a caustic wa

[gaunt finch]

does this spec have target caps? i have no clue

[slate crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1233411543421681724/rl7mgpak53rc1.webp

[mystic fractal]

do assa rogues want PI on pull or a few seconds in to get to deathmark? can't remember

[slate crown]

Ideally when we cast Deathmark

yeahh 3/9 M pug x.x raid vault slot for me

[runic hinge]

Wooo lets go

I want that. I want a kazzara dagger

[slate crown]

I'm only 501, everyone else was like 518 +

When we were waiting to fill after kazz trash, some ret with 535 leggo was giving me shit about ilvl

[runic hinge]

I’m only like 506 maybe. So I hear you

Probably would be tough for me to pug too

[rotund oak]

im 518 and still hearing sht about my ilvl

😅

[slate crown]

I think I just got lucky, I was the first person they invited, thankfully I'd done 7/9M back in season two and they probably saw that in logs at least

[rotund oak]

ive got 6/9 still bored to raid again

maybe i should for a random myth track tier piece

[silk bane]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet oar]

Well Boredom switched to anger yesterday for me

When you clear till Sarkareth in 1 hour

And you take 2 hours to kill sarkareth because people were fucking lazy

and clueless

[grim jay]

Sounds relatable

[quiet oar]

i was so pissed

[grim jay]

We were doing mythic with many trials, everything died quick

Except sark

[quiet oar]

Well the funny thing is

We killed Sarkareth relatively quick 3 weeks ago

We had 6 tries more

yesterday

Because peopele were lazy with black holes and didnt sacrifice or didnt clear Rocks

sorry im still so pissed

[rotund oak]

or just parsing and not giving a F 😅

welcome to s4 bro

[quiet oar]

Nah

Thats was laziness

[grim jay]

Dang trading post has some good stuff

Hopefully I dont forget to buy it

Like most of the months

[quiet oar]

Thats the TWW Trading post

Which is jsut imo the uglier Plunderstorm set

[grim jay]

But the weapons are pretty fine

I dont use sets that look like weird pirates anyways

[main cloud]

i dont understand something. pins says that i never want to use double on use while reccomending ashes + grieftorch. could u explain?

[runic hinge]

Where’s it say that

[balmy condor]

it says double active in like 3 places

[toxic pagoda]

anyone using luxthos? would like to ask what are these green dots above rupture and garrote are

[rotund jungle]

hey mates 🙂 i just started my roq again and i bought Diurnas ring and ashes first cause i saw on wow head that the ring is bis, but i see no one runnig it .....everyone running eranog ring, why is this?

[balmy condor]

empowered I would guess

[rotund jungle]

i mean eranog is bis too but diurna seemd a better choice for me as first buy

[balmy condor]

which one is eranog and diurna

[rotund jungle]

yes it is

[balmy condor]

diurna as in the fire damage ring that drops from eranog?

or diurna as in the higher ilvl ring that drops from diurna

[rotund jungle]

ok sry 😄

[toxic pagoda]

gotcha, thanks! seems to be it, as it only procs after i break stealth

[rotund jungle]

i boutght the 535 ring

haste matery

[balmy condor]

okay so that's the filial duty one

yeah

that's just good stats

people run this one because it's a ring with full stats that just deals a bit of extra damage

[rotund jungle]

yea was just wondering no one else kinda running it

[balmy condor]

literally just a bonus

[balmy condor]

cause it's just a ring

[rotund jungle]

yea

[balmy condor]

like it's a high ilvl, good stats

but it's not anything insane

crafted rings are very common

basically the same thing

[rotund jungle]

will just buy the other one next ^^ or second trinket

[balmy condor]

probably second trinket first

[rotund jungle]

ye

mainly goin raid atm so i go for grieftorch right ?

[balmy condor]

ye

[rotund jungle]

thank u very much ❤️

[balmy condor]

np, gl on drops

[brave stump]

whispyr

why i dont see you in my subscribed feed

[balmy condor]

shizo

idk

that sounds like a you problem

[brave stump]

wdym

i want to consume you

but have to check your channel

[grim jay]

[brave stump]

you blacklisted by youtube

or something

but no appearing in feed

[grim jay]

"I want to consume you" is probably the wildest sentence I've seen in that context

[brave stump]

hence why i wrote

😏

[balmy condor]

danke fürs abonniern bruder

[brave stump]

[balmy condor]

sorry the meta is dicka isn't it

[true condor]

[balmy condor]

I'm not caught up on what the youths are doing anymore

hard enough to keep up with english slang

[brave stump]

im

29

[royal lantern]

lmao, dead

[balmy condor]

is dicka something 29's say

or is that reserved for like

15 year olds

[brave stump]

no im more of a bruder

[balmy condor]

probably the turks

tbh

[royal lantern]

brudi ist das richtige wort

[balmy condor]

brudi is cringe

if you're gonna say bruder say bruder

[brave stump]

brudi is more like frankfurt trainstation slang

[cursive owl]

Freebird solo kicking in ~

[royal lantern]

thats the point

[balmy condor]

hate those guys

[grim jay]

Bra

[balmy condor]

im ländle wird ge'schwäbelt

[brave stump]

[grim jay]

Bra is probably the worst word for Bruder

[balmy condor]

scheiß ob'deutsche

[brave stump]

in thüringen haben wir ganz andere worte

atleast i get to vote on sunday

[grim jay]

Vollspacko

[brave stump]

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

there's so many germans

we gotta do something

[grim jay]

Rising again

Wait what

[balmy condor]

big ravenholdt german meetup

[next dust]

i thought u were uk whispyr

[balmy condor]

could not be further away from the uk

I live in california

and my family is from stuttgart

[grim jay]

Whispyr is in my heart, so he obviously is in GER aswell

[next dust]

ahaha 10 km from me

[grim jay]

Duh Stuttgart

[next dust]

funny how small this world is

[balmy condor]

ah, I'll get more specific then

my mom's parents are in böblingen

my dad's are a bit further south in weil der stadt

nice area

full of nature

but very fucking awful for my allergies

[next dust]

sounds nice, was living in a small village full of nature as well for the last 10 years

[clever sapphire]

lul allergies, imagine losing to nature

[balmy condor]

dude it's been getting worse

I used to not have allergies

now every year I feel like it's just worse and worse

I was sitting on the patio last year with my laptop

[clever sapphire]

ITS ALL BECAUSE OF THOSE DAMNED GAMES YOU PLAY ALL DAY YOUNG MAN

[balmy condor]

and a breeze hit me and my eyes watered

sitting like there what the fuck man

[next dust]

get off your phone xddd

[true condor]

whispyr lord i heard there was a chinese brother ask to translate

he translate it quite good

[balmy condor]

yeah

desesseinte

or however you spell it

[true condor]

i see

[balmy condor]

I'm bad with names

he asked me earlier

[clever sapphire]

but damn i could never stand having allergies, 80% of my summer is spent in some random forest wandering around and whatnot

[balmy condor]

seems like a nice guy

[balmy condor]

oh yeah that would kill me

[true condor]

i am not good at sin so i didnt do it and i feel like i need more practise

[balmy condor]

I go for a walk near my house sometimes

and there's a creek running along my village

so the fauna there

is just terrible

walk into the forest bing chilling

walk out of the forest sobbing uncontrollably unable to breathe

[clever sapphire]

[balmy condor]

all sorts of fucking water reeds and leafy plants

fucks me over

[royal lantern]

grass, dust and rye here

grass and dust is cool combination btw :)))

[balmy condor]

I should take a test and find out what exactly it is

[true condor]

glad to see theres more brothers come

[balmy condor]

but there's a bunch

[clever sapphire]

i mean im pretty sure i also have some kind of allergies because my eyes tend to itch more often than usual during summer, so sometimes one of my eyes is red as if i smoked some good shit

but the tests i did all said im not allergic to anything

so im confused

[royal lantern]

its possible to develop allergies just over your life

[clever sapphire]

ye but i have had this since im 13 or so, and i did the test a year ago

but well its not nearly as bad as what you guys have, so i just live with it

and ignore it

[balmy condor]

don't gotta remind me

[grim jay]

Just throw in cetirizin and be done with it

Im allergic to something that occurs a few weeks a year aswell

[royal lantern]

brb taking cetrizin

Update:

https://tenor.com/view/extasyxx-gif-5445833228783569105

[grim jay]

I barely have that tbf

But I also am always tired

So theres that

[brave stump]

cetrizin is legit just "sleep through your allergies"

Sleep till next season

[grim jay]

Aerius is pretty good and doesnt make you tired

But you need a prescription

[elfin knot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hidden dirge]

How do you guys approach the totems on the last boss of brackenhide?
Is it worth to apply rupture and garrote or just spam mutilate/envenom.
Struggled with totem dmg on a +14 yesterday.
I play cleave build, so no sudden demise. Any tips?

[clever sapphire]

grieftorch

[balmy condor]

assa just sucks shit on it

gotta save trinket, spam envenom, and pray

[clever sapphire]

i usually grieftorch 2nd totem or 3rd, depending on if i have comms with the group and know when they dont have anything up

[grim jay]

Not playing cleave would be one thing then

Aswell

[hidden dirge]

yeah, i play grieftorch, was just curios about the dots

[clever sapphire]

dots with cleave build is whatever on the totem

you can apply it for energy i guess

but thats about it

[fallen arch]

@

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[queen egret]

How do I check which “!” Commands exist like !pooling

[brave stump]

!commands

kek

[queen egret]

!commands

I’m new to assa. On aoe, can someone explain to me why we initially spent time spreading ruptures and garrote, only to do it again as we enter kb by using “garrote, garrote, rupture” as second finisher ?

[midnight mist]

It's !help

[clever sapphire]

you spread garrote/ruptures because it gives you energy, does dmg, gives you scent of blood stacks. You do that again during kb because you can spam garrote in dance to spread it even more (gonna result in more dmg overall than just pressing ambush for ST dmg, just make sure spatter is up)

and you would only rupture in that window if its gonna be inside dance and you wouldnt drop envenom

[stable jay]

is kidney shot more of a pvp ability?

[grim jay]

Its a stun

You can stun pve mobs

And you want/need to

[stable jay]

yeah ik, but I never see it in rotations outside of pvp

[grim jay]

Because its situational

[stable jay]

mmmm

[grim jay]

You use it if you need to stun something

[stable jay]

I get that

[grim jay]

Nothing rotational

[stable jay]

that makes more sense

[grim jay]

Else you would kinda need to add "kidney now if you need to stun something" after every builder

[still stirrup]

"move out the way of puddles if one appears"

[potent raven]

dont stun it when it stands in sanguine tho

or you'll get a lot of shit from your tank

lmao

[queen egret]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed frost]

Do we save both shivs for kingsbane?

[clever sapphire]

yap

if you do shiv outside of kb, make sure you shiv the last 6 seconds of kb atleast

[main cloud]

is there any talent that i can drop for acrobatic strikes? i really like +3yd range but i dont want to lose too much damage

[grim jay]

There should be a build on wowhead

But you should just get used to it now anyways

Because you wont have it soon at all

[muted ridge]

too soon

[solid mica]

wait when did they nerf thistle tea, it's only 13.6% mastery now? i thought it used to be like 20 something or am i high

[main cloud]

no way they removes +3yds range ;o