assassination

[rotund oak]

u can also stun stuff

or press evasion

but in all u should be very durable in most content

rogue is famous for surviving

[inland moon]

my damage is doing great, maybe im bad at surviving lol

[rotund oak]

it will come to you fam

[junior aurora]

assa not so much

one of the squishier specs now

also rogue in world content is not super tanky

[rotund oak]

well compared to others we are whatever survived the cretaceous meteor strike

😅

but ye sin is squishier,especially compared to other rogue specs

[royal lantern]

you know that the game had a absolutely insane deffensive powercreep when you can say "rogue spec" and "squishy" in 1 sentence and its not even bullshit

[junior aurora]

im talking world content and rogue always been kinda ass at that

if you cant stun the mob gg

[rotund oak]

idk about that

also world content

[junior aurora]

world content is remix content bruther

[rotund oak]

if u have issues with world content on remix u either not using gems or u are doing somethign srsly wrong

on my monk i legit pulled 5 mobs at a time blow them up,didnt even heal

carried by enkindle and rod and slay and stuff

[wide ferry]

Im running the arterial precision build, and the last few dungeons i wouldve cleared well over 400k overall if not for the boss fights, is the ST THAT bad on it, and would it be worth using the cleave build instead? Im pooling, timing my cd's and everything as best as i can but i can barely touch 200k with this build on st.

Uldaman to be exact

[runic hinge]

The difference between cleave and ap is like 3-5%

[junior aurora]

yeah lol the st isnt that big a difference

[inland moon]

69 was awesome pulled fine, at 70 suddently all things changed and had to pull max 2 at time ahhaha

but gems stunlocking ftw

[runic hinge]

It can add up over a long tyrannical boss fight but the difference in your overall isn’t gonna be huge either way

[rotund oak]

its scaling with everything.If u do ur daily raids/dungeons/scenarios n stuff u get the back scaling to ridiculous heights

its carrying u pretty much everywhere

[inland moon]

ye omw there

[runic hinge]

World bosses drop the leggo thread

Once a day

[rotund oak]

true

and that

[runic hinge]

Do the raid scenario and dungeon daily

That’s a leggo thread each

And work on getting trinkets and neck and rings

[rotund oak]

just buy some from the vendors

and gg

[junior aurora]

I still need like 2 heroic dungeons tony carry me

i had a 26 minute wise mari fight earlier

[runic hinge]

Maybe when I get out of work?

[runic hinge]

I got a doctors appointment rn

[junior aurora]

oof

[rotund oak]

u two know each other?

[clever sapphire]

so i jsut realised you dont even need a healer for a 9 academy

[thorn fjord]

so close 😦

[rotund oak]

nicu brotherman

keep the pump going

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I wish i had a WA that reminds me when i have splatter on lol

[strange python]

there's a trigger option for "player/unit info > talent known" in WA

so should be easy to make one

make it slam a gigantic pulsing icon when you're inside a raid instance and have spatter talented

[junior aurora]

plenty of raid fights where you do run spatter is the problem

[strange python]

ah, right, ofc

[slate crown]

sec

[strange python]

could make it just show up out of combat, make it a bit less intrusive, just so you're reminded to check

[slate crown]

If you use talent loadouts to tell you about spatter, I took someone else's ready check aura and added a bunch to it https://wago.io/Jvvr2Z9gf

At the top it tells you your currently selected talent loadout

and it bounces during a ready check

So you can know if you're in your spatter loadout or not

[thorn fjord]

nice dude

[strange python]

that's awesome

[slate crown]

There are some weird edge cases where it doesn't work, the loadout data model is a bit..weird

[thorn fjord]

I use the same loadout though and just swap between splatter for fights tho lolol

[slate crown]

Yeah, you could take this and copy one of the auras

[thorn fjord]

i will def check out the wa tho thanks Liso 🙂

[slate crown]

and set it to show if talent known for spatter's case specifically

If anything it's just a "Hey go check your talents dingus" reminder

[cursive owl]

i am sad 😦

[dark token]

zzz

this AIDS killtime

[cursive owl]

we got 2:21

[junior aurora]

2:21 is almost a good kill time

its in the middle of a kb window right

[dark token]

i press deathmark 2 sec before boss die

[slate crown]

yeah if there were any delays at all to your KBs via needing to place a pool

[dark token]

why sin cd so late

[junior aurora]

yeah so 2:21 would be better but 2:30 is ideal

[rotund oak]

true

put dust on sin

[rotund oak]

[slate crown]

2min 12s rough

[junior aurora]

nah fuck em and adjust

its farm my KB will not be delayed

blizz gave me cloak of shadows im gonna use it dammit

[cursive owl]

forgotton experiments. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qv9p6ftkx8CjPgmK#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=20

i feel sad cause, is it not possible to do more st ? i feel like i sucked hard

[dark token]

killtime diffs

pictured

its pretty funny

@final star how to convince guild to slow down

[final star]

we are fast as fuck

I scuffed my amalgamation

[past bobcat]

Mythic bosses btw lol

Everything dies so fast

[strange python]

mythic raid bosses having similar kill times to some tyra m+ bosses

10/10

[dark token]

i had the assault cook @final star

i grieftorch on pull

and use cds + ashes 15s in to get execute right as boss dies

[final star]

[dark token]

no pi ethics

but eleem

holy

[spice surge]

Fight timings are everything

[final star]

the 31s kill timer

[spice surge]

If we kill 3 seconds earlier

I do 150k more

[dark token]

fragment bigbrain

[final star]

we had no uhdk

😄

[spice surge]

CCT is also very big

It sims very good on short fights because the attack speed for kb goes hard

I also specced lethality

I was gonna spec sepsis but cba

[ashen oriole]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

2x unholy dks steal my pi on fights <= 2 min

[tall jay]

I tried to do gooder!!!! Not as good as you pros but I’m getting better!!! I wasn’t there for sark

[spice spire]

Nah that’s the green name difference

[slate crown]

that real? Can you show your logs?

[spice spire]

Good job homie

[spice spire]

I’d have to log in for that

Miss me with that nonsense

[tall jay]

Thank you

[spice surge]

[final star]

ur blasting still

[tall jay]

Thanks. Trying to figure this silly game out.

[final star]

keep it up king

[dark token]

is this vendored

or purchased

[waxen oyster]

looks like one from vault or boss

[royal lantern]

its literally 90+ on all fights lol

what more do you want

[tall jay]

Idk 🤷‍♂️ .

[tall atlas]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior aurora]

2:30 kill times and full raid buffs and PI actually tryan

[tall atlas]

is the is 1 silken blue ?

no i see it on the ring

nvm

[royal lantern]

yes, and i want a Dragon

which is more likely

WFT doesnt exist

[tall jay]

Any max leatherworkers on stormrage alliance here?

[fading mason]

why do some people play improved ambush over tight spender?

[normal mist]

more cps?

[dark token]

it was the OG best st build from 10.2

they never swapped their talent build

when tight spender became better

[loud hearth]

Vault

[rigid tartan]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[fading mason]

i see thx

[fallen arch]

As trinkets we take Ashes and Grieftorch yes?

For m+ *

[fading mason]

prolly

[fallen arch]

When I sim Dslice however, there’s a couple of trinkets simming way better

Than Grieftorch

[tall atlas]

ooooooooo boiz

43 world for kazzara

boom

[woeful meteor]

in a perfect enviroment without deaths torch isn't that good in m+ and stat trinkets are rly good for aoe

[fading mason]

or boon for the pack you dont have deathmark on

[dark token]

what boss

ur not showing it

assa #3

[marble hemlock]

beat this

[dark token]

HAHA

[marble hemlock]

ofc that was the kill

🙃

[fading mason]

it feel so bad when that happens

[marble hemlock]

who needs more than 1 DM+KB window in a 6 minute fight

[woeful meteor]

just fitting for your guild name, non washed seli wouldn't stand in front off the Boss 🙂

[polar cape]

Where NSFW tag

[marble hemlock]

sark is a dumb boss

wcyd

but ye idk, parry still existing

[rotund oak]

thats ur punishment for not streaming

even ur cat hates u for that

./vanish

[marble hemlock]

true

[distant helm]

@final star took your r1

on zskarn

[final star]

oh yeah

nice private logs

😄

[distant helm]

[final star]

it's like if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it did it make a sound ya know

[rotund oak]

tell that to ceverion now that u are here

[dark token]

ye i did 1m dps on private logs

check my private log dps

[final star]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-rat-crying-rat-profound-sadness-fototeta-gif-27638214

[dark token]

fixed screenshot

holy majoly

this is why private loggers are fake

[rotund oak]

that monk swag lvl is over 9000

[proven jasper]

Bingchilling

[tall atlas]

grant!

how do you get it to show you rank

[rugged gulch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pDgGcnymbHLXvwPh#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=21
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fz89aGTLQqndg6RX#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=7

Can anyone do a quick comparison here and tell me where the massive disparity is. The first log did 465k without PI, 2nd log did 406k with PI. THe damage spread is identical, ilvl is 2 points lower for the 2nd one. Wowanalyzer shows that their performance is almost identical.

Helldrifter had no bad mutilates, 97% rupture uptime, 89% garrote uptime. 75% envenom uptime. wasted 612 energy but generated 494 extra energy over chillyflaps.
Chillyflaps had 8 bad multilates, 85% rupture uptime, 85% garrote uptime, 86% envenom uptime, wasted 232 energy

If you remove the DPS PI gives, youre looking at nearly an 80k DPS difference for a fight that lasted roughly the same length. I cant figure out there is such a massive disparity in damage when both rogues performed almost exactly the same.

[runic hinge]

Variance is cool

And fun

Kb rng is good

[rugged gulch]

Can RNG really account for a difference of 80k?

Chillyflaps envenom dps alone is 30k higher

And fore the life of me I cant explaoin why

[dark token]

80k prob he did something better than u

or better gear

[rugged gulch]

This isnt me.

[dark token]

do u both have pi (or dont)

[rugged gulch]

First log didnt have PI

2nd log did

[dark token]

pi is like 20-40k dps depending on fight length

[rugged gulch]

The lower DPS had PI

[dark token]

[rugged gulch]

I have no fucking clue whats happening

[dark token]

fightr length can change timing by a lot

[rugged gulch]

10 seconds

The 465k dps had 421 ilvl, 406 with PI had 419. Performance is nearly identical yet one did way more damage than the other

[final star]

we killed fyrakk

sub 5 mins

[gilded oasis]

@final star ping

[subtle tundra]

ofc cause its not awakened?

[rugged gulch]

Like a 15-20k difference i can understand, small optimaztions. 60K, 80K without PI taken into account?

That makes absolutely no sense

[final star]

I meant sark fml

[severe sparrow]

it's ok all dragons look the same

[final star]

can't send in p2

boss would die too fast

[dark token]

u guys arent skipping 2nd add?

[final star]

no

[dark token]

we are on half of our pulls

i imagine u could

its quite nice timing

[final star]

we are pushing p1 in 1 min

[dark token]

same

[royal lantern]

its assassination

the spec is in a big regard gamble right now

the dmg swings kingsbane can have are REALLY high

[dark token]

wiping trying this strat with p1 lust and push in 1 min

[final star]

same

[grand trail]

huge

[dark token]

its fake

damage done a lways shows 100 if its not locked in

rankings will show u for real

[final star]

😄

[grand trail]

its still hundred in rankings but wiulkl propably change once locked

[final star]

I did more than you

and I'm r2

[clever sapphire]

arguing about awakened logs is fun

[midnight mist]

skill issue

[final star]

all 3 in a row

[grand trail]

STILL SOLID 4-5

i bet our kill timer is like minute behind 😄

[final star]

like 40s

[grand trail]

yeah though so

[final star]

⏩

[rugged gulch]

The kingsbane bit I can understand, but does that impact envenom damage?

[royal lantern]

amp poison stacking i gues

[proven jasper]

Secondary stats will impact the damage spread also

Might have a decent bit more mastery or something

[grand trail]

do you faster opener when you have SP pi?

[dark token]

hmmm yeah idk how to parse when ur doing this strat, deathmark doesnt line up with haste buff at all

and killtime kinda meh

[still creek]

4 bois in a row here aswell

[final star]

you don't

it's why we don't send in p2

cos if u do

ur fucked

[final star]

[dark token]

nah

it would line up well

if we skip p2 add

but someone died

so we didnt

[final star]

sure but we killed it

40s faster

by just holding for p3

all haste buff + all cd's

[dark token]

ic

[final star]

is nuts

and we 2 healed

[runic hinge]

I’m so proud of you guys

[final star]

and I didn't play spatter

[earnest remnant]

[final star]

we skip the stinky bombs in p1

[gusty mirage]

how dare you

[final star]

no padder kpb

[gusty mirage]

ethical kieron is what they call my boy

[rain mortar]

maybe a littl overbaord on the mastery lmao

[tall atlas]

is the nelth trink elite?

[runic hinge]

Depends on how good you are at proccing

[ebon notch]

link the log

[tall atlas]

how do i control the procing

[proven jasper]

You dont

[tall atlas]

nice

[proven jasper]

You make a blood sacrifice before the pull to appease the proc gods

[kind walrus]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[strong wing]

Is there any usefull WA for assa besides kingsbane one?

[junior aurora]

envenom tracker

[strong wing]

can you share it?

I think delvin's wa aint tracking it

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/lcM4ssa54 progress bar version if you like progress bar

Tick for pandemic range

[strong wing]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[severe sparrow]

oh fuck luxthos doesnt have the tick for pandemic and id been thinking about manually adding it but

hmmm

[slate crown]

Simple version just add a tick at 2s left

Or can use the one above for a dynamic tick

[severe sparrow]

i might just cannibalize yours, reskin it, and make his transparent and stick yours over top of where his should be or some cursed thing

i keep trying to get used to other wa packs with nicer features but im too smoothbrain to undo years of staring at his

[icy storm]

Question - How are so many rogues getting grieftorc as their top dmg in an m+? mine is probably like 6.

[severe sparrow]

probably more deaths?

[slate crown]

If you are going to do surgery on mine, just make sure the existing triggers stay as they are, if you add triggers onto it add them at the end of the list (specifically leave trigger 3 in position). Otherwise feel free

[potent raven]

i just did my first sin mythicraid

and i did okay-ish, zskarn was the only impossible to understand what to do boss

[severe sparrow]

most likely just putting it in a wig so it looks like my existing one ty for doing the hard work so i dont have to

[potent raven]

(cuz i havent done this raid b4 besides 1 time the other wek)

next time i play it, all 99s for sure man

[slate crown]

Oh don't change the tick thickness either. Can change colors or whatever just keep the thickness value for each as they are

(Don't ask why)

[strange python]

Why

[slate crown]

[severe sparrow]

good to know. is there some spaghetti code somewhere that has to do with the edge of them or something?

[slate crown]

No, it's not really spaghetti. Just a way to identify tick #1 and tick #2 in the condition code, there isn't a direct assignment of display page elements.

[severe sparrow]

zskarn i havent gotten around to awakened but i feel like i just stayed on the boss and threw a rupture on a dude if he was nearby (absolute mid non-CE myth raider pro strat)

[final star]

hit boss dodge line

that's the melee way

[potent raven]

i bursted my opener

and got some shit on me

and had to run way

n lost all my dps lol

cuz we 1 shot them all i get no chance

wtf is this raid hah

well lol

[severe sparrow]

you just gotta keep doing it till you get a pull that you dont get picked for mechanics on ez

[potent raven]

yep

exactly

i love assa lol

prolly not going back to sub ever

sadly

only if its good agane

devs dgaf about it

[strange python]

assa is the shit

[strong wing]

I saw people doing shiv then deathmark and other people doing first deathmark

Which way is the most optimal?

[potent raven]

crit/haste recraft sims lower for me haha

guess i have enough of those then

[balmy condor]

Basically no difference, deathmark shiv is very slightly higher

If you don’t want to deathmark shiv then don’t

[strong wing]

copy, thanks!

[chilly tangle]

whats build will be better for 10+ +key?

and i think 50% mastery its to low for asa

[balmy condor]

The bleed build, shock

Stats don’t matter as long as you have ilvl

[half condor]

is assassination better at ST raid fights or tyranical fights than outlaw?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[potent raven]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

depends on kill time and torch resets

if you get a 2:31 kill as sin

chefskiss moment

[half condor]

yeah iam getting tired of outlaw st this season

so iam switching to assa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[waxen oyster]

Outlaw st is fairly strong idk

short kill times will favor sin/sub however

You lose less playing aoe talents than sin does

[potent raven]

hmrmmmmermm

[clever sapphire]

proceeds to switch 2 talent points as assa and call it a day

[waxen oyster]

I mean this is an option but it doesn't do as much aoe as assa potentially can

[potent raven]

feels ike i just did heroic

aberrus is a bit too bad

and they still havent done anything about it

[waxen oyster]

Aberrus is an absolute meme yes

[potent raven]

ppl are so overgeared u get through mechanics

i cant even get to burst 2 times

lmao

well i do but its memey

i cant wait for amidrassil

i wuv it

[clever sapphire]

i also cant wait to sit on tindral and fyrakk 2 raidnights because no other boss exists in that raid

[waxen oyster]

Lmao yes amirdrassil is basically 2 bosses

then again so is voti

[sonic schooner]

Guys i actually never played assa in sanguine week, is it really the play to go wound poisons instead of deadly? Or maybe amp?

sounds so bad to do so

[balmy condor]

youd be correct

[clever sapphire]

4-5% dps loss or so if i remember whispyr saying it today

[balmy condor]

more than that if you're playing some sort of cleave

[clever sapphire]

i think running crippling is even worse tho

[balmy condor]

wound is a lethal

you can't give up deadly

cause caustic won't work

[slate crown]

doesn't sound very lethal to me

[balmy condor]

so you're forced into DTB builds

just from the get-go

cause bleed with no DTB loses like well over 10% from the loss of caustic and deadly

so that's a no-go

in a cleave build you'd then SORT of recoup your costs by talenting into something else, cause you have to talent out of amp

it's insanely messy

[shy pecan]

Just run with a proactive tank and sanguine isn't an issue 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeh

literally skill issue

[slate crown]

And don't use a stun as a stop like an idiot (me) when a mob is in a pool

[shy pecan]

[potent raven]

well i like all amidrasill bosses a lot

theyre just so well designed, idk

and fun to play

[balmy condor]

aint no way you just said council of dreams is well designed

[potent raven]

idk i like em all

maybe cuz its my first tier

dont have much to compare it aganst

[balmy condor]

council of dreams

was legit the worst fight

[vestal wren]

it is if you like ducks

[balmy condor]

in maybe 2 expacs

[potent raven]

i dont like getting ducked ;(

[vestal wren]

duck duty

[potent raven]

but for that i.e id hold cds for a few secs b4 ducks go out

[shy pecan]

I hate ducks

[real sinew]

boss not fun

[potent raven]

just so i can not get ducked in

deathmark kingsbane w/e

lol

[vestal wren]

but more seriousely, the duck mechanic was a failed experiment

[shy pecan]

Ducks

@keen spruce

[slate crown]

Damn better change your name to pro shmeeps hater

[shy pecan]

Bigger quake hater than shmeeps hater

Also not enough characters to change my name to that

[muted ridge]

why do we send Envenom on opener before we yeet Mark -> Kb etc?

[balmy condor]

so that it's up

more poisons for kb is good

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-gif-25474198

[chilly tangle]

so for myth astral shock will be better

[keen spruce]

[worthy cobalt]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[worthy cobalt]

Decisions... Which one are you using?

[half condor]

what was the command

that showed spread sheet

[south tendon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder grove]

Which piece of set isn't optimal and we can get a better non set option ?

I got https://www.wowhead.com/item=202602/violent-gravemask so i'm wondering

[clever sapphire]

the one that sims the lowest for you

[hollow knot]

what is a quick way to get a dagger?

[balmy condor]

crafting

[lofty nymph]

Shadowflame + Bluesilk or Bluesilk + Bluesilk embellishment?

[violet flint]

2x bluesilk is considered bis i think, but you could sim it

[balmy condor]

shadowflame is awful

always 2x blue silk

[tulip heron]

it's not much, but I'm pleased to be holding the banner for assass rogues 🙂

[tulip heron]

I've simmed the crap out of it, double bluesilk wins every time

[lofty nymph]

Thanks Sir

[shy pecan]

[lofty nymph]

Kingsbane into Shiv or Shiv into Kingsbane?

[limber lion]

Shiv first

[covert kraken]

So sin rogue is now top single target raid spec after these buffs??

[high jetty]

Really depends on fight length

But generally. No

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[midnight mist]

generally no ?

[violet flint]

our burst is super nice

[covert kraken]

Fight length due to the number of Kingsbane windows you get?

[midnight mist]

seems pretty good to me kekw

[violet flint]

but falls off untill next 2min buirst window

[midnight mist]

maybe pi issue again

silly pi

[keen spruce]

More deathmarks but ye

[midnight mist]

hey man

im a one trick sin now

im even considering buying ashes

with my bouillon

[violet flint]

that wasnt your first buy? 😮

[cinder grove]

What's the command for logs thread ?

[limber lion]

There isn't one anymore.

Did you look into Wowanalyzer?

If everything's green there, then you can ask someone for some heads up here directly

[keen spruce]

walcom

[cinder grove]

Oh, since I got the message that it wasn't maintained or updated I figured it wouldn't be accurate

[runic hinge]

I’m proud of you

[slender trench]

So what is the single target spec?

[shy pecan]

Don’t believe it until I see you no longer be yellow

[limber lion]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[limber lion]

What message?

Oh in the website itself?

[cinder grove]

Yeah

Once I paste the logs link

[limber lion]

Ah I see

Pretty sure the gameplay is completely the same

As it was in 10.2

Nothing's changed for 10.2.7

[dark token]

It's a 10.1.7 wowanalyzer tho

[limber lion]

Except for trinket usage

[dark token]

Not 10.2

[limber lion]

🥶

[dark token]

All it really tells you is good envenom uptime and rupture/garrote uptime

Rly

[cinder grove]

Yeah, I cant really identify why I got a bad score on logs with it I think ?
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/cdDjkhwTa6gCbK4G/36-Heroic+Magmorax+-+Kill+(3:14)/Khämi/standard/overview

[boreal cloud]

84% at 510 ilvl seems pretty good to me

Just crit more

[cinder grove]

I mean I wa slooking at the ilvl score

that's hte accurate score we should be looking at no ?

[limber lion]

No

iLvl parse is the worst thing to look at

Never look at it

You might get 99's and 100's when you're low ilvl

But then you suddenly get 20's when you're high ilvl

Even though you play the same

[cinder grove]

Oh, I thought the opposite, that looking at the overall was meaningless since people could be much more geared or undergeared

[limber lion]

Some people just have shit gear with a really good trinket and weapons that bumps them up

[limber lion]

Yeah makes sense, but the ilvl parse is even worse because there's people with generally the same gear as you but they can have one or two items that are like multiple thousands of dps better than what you have which bumps them up a lot but the ilvl stays the same

Or they could have really really really good gear

and one item is like a blue item

[boreal cloud]

Parse is just all about fight time tbh

[limber lion]

Like blue wrists

Suddenly you're getting r1 ilvl parses because you're fully decked out in full BIS except for wrists

[boreal cloud]

2:30 fight = Good log

[limber lion]

which don't kinda matter anyways

[boreal cloud]

3:30 fight = bad log

[potent raven]

Tru

[cinder grove]

Yeah, I can't really do much to shorten fight lenght that much lol

[boreal cloud]

Like rank 1 rashok log is 4:30 fight with 3 PIs

[limber lion]

Then there's stuff like your Wafting Devotion not procing that much

[boreal cloud]

Thats a free 98%+ parse if youre not completely braindamaged

[limber lion]

22% with double enchant ain't great

[boreal cloud]

Then you get decent KB crits and ez r1

[limber lion]

Then there's kb crits as well like he says

A lot of RNG involved unfortunately

[cinder grove]

I mean, I dont have any control over it no ?

[limber lion]

Procs, crits, fight length

[limber lion]

No.

[boreal cloud]

Ye you dont

And for not having control, 84 is really good

[limber lion]

One week you do 320k dps

The next week you do 280k

It's just kinda the way the game is currently

If you want a good parse, you have to kill the boss many, many times

[cinder grove]

Alright, that's reassuring, I know I still have to get better at pooling, but I feel like the gain is only marginal ?

[royal lantern]

and have great kill times

and externals if yout spec benefits from externals

[limber lion]

Very much so.

Well, if you do the envenom chain correctly, that's all there is to pooling really

[boreal cloud]

Ye you can always improve

[limber lion]

But yeah there's like a 17-18% variance in dps

Which at these numbers is like 60-70k

It is what it is.

[cinder grove]

But the chain is always broken when I have to refresh rupture right ? There is no way around that ?

[limber lion]

Well, not really

[true condor]

gm sin

[limber lion]

There's ways around it like trying to fish for a max cp finisher and finishing immediately when Envenom is in pandemic

[true condor]

lets check what poops in my vault

[limber lion]

But yeah generally it doesn't really matter that much

If Envenom drops because you have to Rupture, then it drops

Then you just pool back to 80% and continue

[cinder grove]

Okay, I'll keep that in mind !
Thank you so much guys for your help

[true condor]

brothers

wow

should i choose this

[limber lion]

Probably

[boreal cloud]

Also remember youre competing against rogues that do get PI

[limber lion]

If you're not getting mythic weapons from the raid

[boreal cloud]

Actually infinite excuse potential

[limber lion]

Or don't wanna spend doubloons on em

[limber lion]

Hate it.

I wanna be in control of my output

I'm going back to Kingdom Hearts

[boreal cloud]

Play sub then

[limber lion]

Hell no

[marble hemlock]

why is ravenholdt misspelled

@main vessel

[main vessel]

good catch

[marble hemlock]

hope youre doing well

[main vessel]

only issue is that it doesn't really support Kingsbane because Kingsbane is a pain in the ass

[limber lion]

Yeh

But that's what the timeline is for anyways

It's all g

[main vessel]

there are a couple of other small things that Whispyr told me to fix but I've lost the note because

[limber lion]

It's fine, new expansion dropping soon not worth it

[main vessel]

I'm probably gonna burn the sin module to the ground and rewrite for TWW anyway

[limber lion]

Dance dead, Nightstalker dead, MA dead, Assassination dead.

Based.

[marble hemlock]

thats the blizz approach to fixing recuperator i think

[main vessel]

same for Havoc and Vengeance tbh

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[shy pecan]

Need to spell it wrong again if it ever gets to #6968 so you can fix it on the next one

[spice spire]

Love that for u bestie

[main vessel]

I'm gonna set an alert

[main vessel]

considering it's what I did to make sin analysis good for 10.1, it should end up better :^)

[strange python]

has.. has anyone else ever gone through their rio history and added up all the timed keys under "Mythic+ Progression" across all seasons ._.

[spice spire]

You always do a good job

[strange python]

i just did and i dont know if i should have

[autumn frost]

Now that I'm trying to get up to 14 keys. Are there any theory crafters on optimal talents to eke out a bit more? Right now i'm just throwing Arterial Shock build so far. Would probably also want to consider a tyrannical vs fortified build. Also what's this against zerocool? I just remember he's impressive for doing such high keys.

[strange python]

over 3400 since 7.3.2

[stable jay]

in this clip, why do I still have the ability to use ambush again after going out of stealth and my ability bar changes back to its non-stealthed form, besides ambush?

[woeful meteor]

blindside talent

[limber lion]

Yuppies

[stable jay]

oohhhh ok ty, didnt realize I had that on

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor who are you outsourcing these titles to

[royal lantern]

from #tww-assassination

was a heated 10min discussion for the title

[true condor]

wtf

i should open this to sleep

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[honest needle]

is dream carver dagger bis because fang dagger is simming alot higher

whatmakes dreamcarver better

[stable jay]

how necessary is it to use shadow dance? bc it feels like learning a new language to me

[honest needle]

u dance into kingsbane

its very important

[woeful meteor]

macro it into KB and forget about it

[stable jay]

kb?

[woeful meteor]

kingsbane

[honest needle]

kingsbane

[worthy timber]

Kingsbane

[honest needle]

what dagger do we buy with bullions cause fang sims much higher what makes dreamcarver better

[stable jay]

any macro guides yall could reccomend? im clueless as to how I should set one up to do so

[woeful meteor]

nothing, it's just some random dagger to put into the bis list

bis lists are useless in modern wow pretty much

[earnest remnant]

!warn @worthy timber Its all good being unhappy about the direction of rogue, but we dont tolerate any form of personal Dev bashing, its a team of people working on the class and not a singular person, he just hangs out in here for time to time of his own free will, which we should be very happy about.
So if you have any grievances about the class i suggest voicing them through opinions on what you think would be a better fit rather than calling out the devs!

[honest needle]

is the on use good on it was does the on use do on dreamcarver

[woeful meteor]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[woeful meteor]

all some small things nothing that deals dmg

[stable jay]

critter

-10 all stats

lol

[honest needle]

what dagger should i buy with my bullion

cayse right now i have season 3 dreamcarver its only 483

and i have a 493 shard dagger which sucks

should i buy a dagger with bullion or soemthing else

[woeful meteor]

the one that sims the highest for you they are all pretty much the same, wouldn't buy a dagger personally tho, 522 from m+ isn't that much worse and getting the very rare items from raid is annoying

[honest needle]

even tho my daggers i have no are really bad ?

i was outlaw at first so my outlaw weapons dont work for assasination

right now i have grief torch

and i need 1 bulluion

[woeful meteor]

kinda depends on how fast you gear the char

if you gear pretty slow cause you dont have a guild helping you buying weapon is probably a good choice

if your guild can just boost you through keys at the start targetting the harder to get raid items is better

[stable jay]

how would I do so

[woeful meteor]

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane

[celest helm]

does cloak not work on waves on last boss Halls?

[earnest remnant]

nope

only the 1 sec full immunity does

if my memory servers me right from season 2

[slender trench]

!dreamcarver

[royal lantern]

get dragon and call it a day

[true condor]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[slender trench]

all mid buffs

where my damage

[royal lantern]

thats the point

there is no dmg buff

[slender trench]

so what do i need this dagger for

[earnest remnant]

high ilvl = goodge

[royal lantern]

its a mythic lvl weapon?

[slender trench]

true

[royal lantern]

and like stealthi said, ilvl wins lol

[honest needle]

what missives do we put on crafted gear for assaination for m+

[earnest remnant]

w/e it shows when you sim it

assa is like a jack of all trades with stats

so there isnt really an easy answer to it

[slender trench]

why does details say my deathmark did 1% of my damage but logs show it doing 9%

[earnest remnant]

they want a bit of everything

they prolly combine dmg different

[slender trench]

i see

fight didnt last long enough for second deathmark

xD

[spice surge]

The details one shows the damage of the dot from deathmark

Logs have combined all of the extra dots from deathmark (you can press it to expand and show it)

[honest needle]

is crit mastery for crafted gear a safe choice ?

[spice surge]

Anything is safe

Assa doesnt care

[honest needle]

so can i leave it crit vers cause all ym outlaw stuff is crit vers ?

all my crafted gear is current crit vers

[slate crown]

If you multi spec Yeah it’s probably fine. You could squeeze some extra out if you cared to recraft but like

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[slate crown]

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Crit mast is good, crit verse is good. It’s all good

If you want the best answer do the robot stuff

[junior aurora]

leech cape drops lol

[tall jay]

Sick cape bro ! You even even lift? Where’s your stam lol . For real though congrats that’s a killler drop

[ebon steppe]

Is 11% haste（15% with rune） acceptable in m+？gv just backstabbed me

[slender trench]

why does sometimes my trinket + kb + sd macro not work

like it will use sd and kb but not my trinket

sorry deathmark + tirnket

[junior aurora]

you act like i won that cape

need PI next time

[ebon steppe]

Man you should sd first

And dm has a gcd with it

[slender trench]

sd is bound to kb

[strange python]

worth doting sarkareth adds?

[balmy condor]

The big one can get a rup/gar

The small ones die way too fast

[true condor]

whispyr i have a question if we need bres wrist what stat should we go? mastery or crit0

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

[true condor]

okay ty sir

[strange python]

ty

[violet jackal]

waves are physical damage

[runic hinge]

So we evasion them?

[violet jackal]

you walk around

[runic hinge]

[daring minnow]

Coming back to sin. Is there ever a time we Don't use Kingsbane and shadow dance together? If not, safe to macro?

!macro

[runic hinge]

You might desync in mythic plus but I never have

Just make sure you put dance first in your macro

[daring minnow]

Almost think I should macro that and garrote together. Of Course garrote will also have its own coupons

[red wolf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[shy pecan]

You can’t because garrote and KB use the GCD

[unreal parcel]

ok

question

does atrophic stack with devo

[runic hinge]

Yes. One is a debuff on the boss and one is a raid wide aura

[keen reef]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

whispyr asmr

ive got questions

[balmy condor]

I’ve got answers

[rotund oak]

whispyr asmr channel when

[strange python]

Tell me why my dad left then

[tropic tundra]

[balmy condor]

He fell out of love with your mom and couldn’t bare the pain

[strange python]

How

[balmy condor]

How what

[strange python]

How did you know

[grim jay]

Whispyr:

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-your-father-darth-vader-gif-13250196

[chrome harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-ooo-cat-shocked-funny-gif-14366308

[true condor]

[sharp viper]

does that make it less or more awkward if you want to call him 'daddy'?

[grim jay]

Thats a good question

[quiet oar]

Why does Life feel meaningless

[rotund oak]

coz it is,u give ur life the meaning u want

grow up

[grim jay]

Dang

Thats deep

[quiet oar]

I wanted a whisp funny or serious explanation

Not a life lesson Dad

[rotund oak]

im here to act on both coz u know i have to protect whom that i care for

now shut up before i slap u

[shy pecan]

[quiet oar]

I wanted Whisp to explain to me, that thats the feeling of the inevitable heat death of the universe and in a very far away time the Universe will be in the absolute zero phase where nothing moves anymore

[shy pecan]

Nerd

[true condor]

[rotund oak]

like tira will be there 10 billion years later to actually confirm there is no gravitational interaction between stars/galaxies and blakc holes to confirm ''death''

thats some nihilistic nerdgasm

[shy pecan]

[quiet oar]

I like watching universe and space documentations

ok???

[rotund oak]

thats a good thing,should visit a university library and take a read,rly interesting stuff there

was lucky enough to have 2 - 3 lessons during university

[quiet oar]

Im not a reader tbh

Reading bores me unfortuantely

Im more an Auditive and Visual learning type of guy

[rotund oak]

personally didnt njoy reading at younger age,found it boring alot but kinda had my dad opening my eyes early on

invest early,gain later

he was partially wrong,i dont even work as a geologist,just have a degree thats all

[true condor]

gm tira

i fail to did a 13+ nokhud

[quiet oar]

These are fairly low numbers with an aug

sorry to say that

Or did you wipe a lot?

[true condor]

yea healer never give me PI

45s

IDK MAYBE ITS MY FEVER CAUSING ME DOING SO BAD DMG

[ebon steppe]

No fever will just give you some additional fire dmg and maybe trigger seal of diurna's chosen

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pliant terrace]

Noob question: Do you always mutilate, even during stealth windows, unless it's a blindside proc?

[cursive owl]

Royal will hate me for that question again uwu

[pliant terrace]

I genuinely don't know.

[cursive owl]

u use blindside procc automaticly , and mutilate is ure combo generator in ST

[pliant terrace]

What about in stealth?

[cursive owl]

in stealth its ambush

[pliant terrace]

ok thanks

[cursive owl]

@true condor why does your details look so good, i wanna also. do you have names for what u used ?

[true condor]

uh wydm? i made this details by myself

[cursive owl]

OH O_O ?

well i try to make it also but my bars are tooooo thin and yours look bigger, well i need to see again what i can do there but thanks ^^' i gues u dont use any extensions :3

[true condor]

yea

all g brother

[cursive owl]

ok thanks

whats average ST damage with 505 Gear ?

logs say im ilvl 79 - 85% i feel like being 0% xD

[true condor]

idk

[clever sapphire]

do a sim

and check off of that

[cursive owl]

well sometimes im just dumb

ty xD

[grim jay]

Ilvl logs are cursed

[quiet oar]

Wrong

[floral reef]

this is cursed

[quiet oar]

@clever sapphire Is cursed

[cursive owl]

O_O

1,3k dmg

xDD

with flame cowl i got the ringdmg doubled :3

[quiet oar]

Flame cowl

[cursive owl]

yes

[grim jay]

Its not worth optimizing Ring damage over overall damage

[cursive owl]

if my sim sais 280k and i ended up ST on bosses at 240k i think im alright

[cursive owl]

I DUN CARE

i have the cowl now

i like it

i play with it °^°

Periot

[potent raven]

Its bad

[grim jay]

Objectively ye, but whatever floats your boat

[clever sapphire]

i have been pretty tame latley

lately*

[floral reef]

you wouldnt wont any flaring happening in your boat

[clever sapphire]

even unspecced bonespike

[quiet oar]

Maybe not that cursed loc?

[clever sapphire]

i almost did the cursed double on use for arcane mage in keys

thats the most cursed thing besides bonespike in week 1 that i did

[true condor]

idky when aug playing with us our dmg still low

no clue

it should be high bc aug could provide alots for us

[royal lantern]

99% of aug players are BAD

[true condor]

fair tho

[royal lantern]

and just use shit randomly with 0 uptime on stuff

just look how often they use their big breath cd into packs that are either almost dead or when nobody has a CD running

[true condor]

i feel like this season is a disaster for melee

too many things need to avoid

[hollow knot]

is this blizzard tellling us to git gud?

[clever sapphire]

no its blizzard telling you to feck off

[sour pike]

Guys how close should my crit and mastery be for M+ % wise?

[balmy condor]

Whatever sims spit out

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[boreal flax]

Does anyone have any stance bar macros for mutilate vs ambush which doesnt get griefed by blind side

[quiet oar]

wdym

[clever sapphire]

mutilate always gets turned to ambush when blindside procs im pretty sure

[boreal flax]

When you swap stances it gets sus and lags without a stance bar macro, used to use one for sub shadowstrike vs backstab

[quiet oar]

The Stance bar macro

has literally the same issue

[balmy condor]

When you swap stances, your bar does an internal stance bar macro

[quiet oar]

as your bar swapping

[balmy condor]

You’re just replacing the bar with a macro that the bar is already doing

[quiet oar]

!stancedelay

unlucky

[balmy condor]

[boreal flax]

pain

[balmy condor]

Also dunno what blindside has to do with it

[boreal flax]

all good, thank you

[slate crown]

My way around this is to just only use mutilate and keep my bars identical. It’s not really a noticeable damage difference

[clever sapphire]

mutilate on both bars, ambush on his seperate keybind like i used to have with old blindside

[slate crown]

Yup

[pulsar ice]

do we refresh repture insude deaths mark and kb window?

[quiet oar]

I disabled Stance swap

So i dont have to maintain two bars

[clever sapphire]

sounds like elvui

[limber lion]

If it's about to run out yeaj

You don't let it drop ever

[quiet oar]

Ye

But i think you can do the same in Normal UI

Just use another bar than Bar 1

Because Bar 1 has the stealthbar swap mapping

or whatever it is called

[south tendon]

To get along with this question:
When i have for example 15 sec remaining on rupture and KB/SD is rdy:
Is it worth to refresh Rupture early and play a more clean KB or just refresh it in between?
Same for Garrote: If Garrote ends and KB/SD is 5 seconds away, do i refresh Garrote or wait for KB/SD to apply it

[grim jay]

You dont drop anything if you refresh it during kb

Unless you are forced to at a bad moment

So its not cleaner one way or another

Snapshotting rupture, tho not significant or anything at all, is valid aswell and thats a refresh inside of your kb window

And you dont drop garrote at any point either

If its 5s away you can squeeze a cast in anyways

[potent raven]

probably shouldnt take crippling this week

if tank drags them around and theyre slowed its troll

[quiet oar]

Use Wound Poison

[potent raven]

no

[spice surge]

Make sure to shiv right as a target is dying

For the big 92% slow

[quiet oar]

Sanguine Ichor is liking that

gotta pump some big HPS numbers

[tall jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[south tendon]

Completely different question: Is there a list which abilities get reduced by feint and maybe more important which dont? I try to press feint more often and my heal sometimes teases me with "should have pressed feint" but i also have the feeling that other times feint dont even work againt a certain ability

[strange python]

holy fucking hell what the fuck just happened 😄 aca 9, my 2,2k 513 poison build sin rogue & a 525 3,2k outlaw rogue. only reason i'm close is because i got 40 mil more dmg on lashers because uncapped spatter, but still 😄

fuck i love this spec

[quiet oar]

!atro

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison in Raid: link

[quiet oar]

Well unlucky

THats only Amidrassil

[spice surge]

Assa definitely does competitve damage with outlaw in m+ nowadays

[quiet oar]

If avoidance works, feint should work too

[strange python]

it was a full premade of gigachads & gigachads on alts. i expected to limp through cringing in shame but nope 😄

[south tendon]

Yeah should have said for M+. In raids i feel completly save most of the time. M+ is always a little bit more tricky.

[quiet oar]

Thats just trial and error

[strange python]

is elusiveness viable in higher keys? i play it in sub-10s and just press feint for everything by reflex, to get either 40% aoe dr or just the 20% non-aoe

[spice surge]

Usually elusiveness ends up being mandatory in higher keys

Because you simply die to mechanics that arent reduced by the aoe part

[strange python]

i dont think i could ever play cheat again, feint with elusiveness feels broken

[spice surge]

Actually assa ends up dying anyway through elusiveness at very high keys

[grim jay]

Nokhud is fun without elusiveness

[strange python]

ah shit 😄 well i never strive for anything much above 3k so

[grim jay]

If you pushed early, the 13s were already onetapping you

On galearrow and stuff

[strange python]

yeeeah fuck nokhud oneshots 😄

[south tendon]

Hm i mostly go +8 currently. Aim for +10-+12. I have Cheat skilled currently because i need to learn to wait at bosses for half a second. Maybe i should switch to elusivness

[strange python]

at that level, just play tricks ¯_(ツ)_/¯ blackjack feels like a giga key talent

i'm filling out my 9s with elusiveness + tricks and i'm breezing through

[south tendon]

Did they change that? I started to rogue last season and was sure Tricks was a switchtalent with Blind-AE?

[strange python]

tricks is a choice node with "Enemies have 30% reduced damage and healing for 6 sec after Blind or Sap's effect on them ends"

the aoe blind is now a choice node with rend

idk how it was before

uh

gouge* lol

this cluster has to be a contender for the highest density of utility & quality of life of any tree

[south tendon]

Ok seems to be changed some times ago. Never checked it again. And very nice to have tricks in M+. Thanks for the hint

[royal lantern]

there is no world you take tricks when blackjack exists lol

blackjack is stupid strong

tricks doesnt even do anything 99% of the time

[thorn fjord]

@spice surge give me your early kill secrets

I want some top 5s

[potent raven]

Elu is bis

[thorn fjord]

So nice being able to take BJ over tricks

Cant do that as OL I tend to blow my load early and if tricks is on cd I’m getting a ton of mobs on my ass

[strange python]

in low keys where trash does no damage and sketchy tanks play with zero patience trigger happy dps, i'm not dropping tricks. if it helps mobs stick to the tank and lets me burst bosses freely, i'm staying with it until i start pushing for score

[thorn fjord]

Sin doesn’t pull much threat though

[royal lantern]

you pull 0 threat

tricks timer is 2-3 garrote ticks and thats it

[south tendon]

grabs some popcorn and leans back

[thorn fjord]

Yeah it’s a bit of a waste

[royal lantern]

?

[limber lion]

[raw dock]

Academy have the Assassin profile. Tons of big pulls, even on pug route

[potent raven]

do i play spatter on sark

or internal

[thorn fjord]

I run splatter

[ashen oriole]

how is this happening? Avalanche (Frost DMG) goes through Cloak?

[clever sapphire]

probably shouldnt be running keys above 9 this week

[spice surge]

Yep

[clever sapphire]

works for me

[spice surge]

Lots of things go through cloak nowadays

Enjoy

[potent raven]

Timed a 14no

Ez

[ashen oriole]

nice, by design?

[spice surge]

Id assume not, just a byproduct of how their spell datas work

[gusty mirage]

yeah it was a real blast testing shit in dungeons in SL

to see what worked and what didn't

feint was my favorite

parsing through logs

to see if it did anything

[thorn fjord]

Not all heroes wear capes @gusty mirage