assassination

[gusty mirage]

[proven jasper]

Yeah man that rogue gaming hard

Close

[subtle tundra]

the 519 rogue

[midnight mist]

the sin damage is reatributed to the priest

its a bug with chinese details

[proven jasper]

Wtf

[grand trail]

i think im just not good enough to play assa in 15+ keys, you get away with more as outlaw

[potent raven]

ayeee

inspired to get on wow n sit in queue after seeing that ngl

cba tho

[midnight mist]

[grand trail]

vhd restoshami warrior retri assa rogue

kinda crused team on this week .D

[subtle tundra]

sure play melee cleave whatever

struggle in 15s

or play godcomp and bing chill

[earnest remnant]

just play godcomp

and stuggle in 15s

why settle for less?

[subtle tundra]

youre onto something

[gusty mirage]

imagine playing wow when you could be playing lost ark

[subtle tundra]

im queueing lfr on paladin..

[silk bane]

imagine playing lost ark when you could be dying of dehydration in EDC

[gusty mirage]

imagine going to EDC on my birthday and not inviting me

wtf man

[earnest remnant]

i have had the game downloaded for 2 months

[silk bane]

how could I invite you when you leave me on read in DMs

[gusty mirage]

????????

[earnest remnant]

only 135 hours over the last 2 weeks

[silk bane]

thats a weird looking racoon

ngl

[gusty mirage]

ARE YOU A CAT OR A RACOON

PICK ONE

WTf

[honest oxide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[earnest remnant]

im undercover

[gusty mirage]

damn

you got me

[earnest remnant]

hiding from feds

uknow

[silk bane]

its okay oxi, we go next year

we bring kyle too

[hexed canopy]

!pi

[runic hinge]

I miss Kyle

[hallow token]

Apparently in the top 2000 mythic keys, assassination is taken less than 1% of the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C9W5LGVM-8

[earnest remnant]

shits crazy

[silk bane]

im sending him stuff every now and then to keep him up to date on all the RH stuff

[potent raven]

what about sub

[silk bane]

for when he comes back

[subtle tundra]

wow, who could've known

[potent raven]

less than 0,1%

[runic hinge]

What percentage of keys is top 2000

[gusty mirage]

I miss that madlad

[silk bane]

he should be back in a couple of weeks i think

[gusty mirage]

very low

[silk bane]

no ones actually doing keys as sub. the assa one is also literally 2 people

[subtle tundra]

i wont push as assa cause it doesnt deserve to be more played

[gusty mirage]

like less than top .1% low

[silk bane]

real

[hallow token]

I get declined on 2s.

[potent raven]

[hallow token]

imagine being so precious about the meta or whatever that you'll decline a rogue with a decent ilvl and completion times.

[runic hinge]

That’s gamers

[gusty mirage]

people just want to be carried

[subtle tundra]

youre not getting declined from +2 cause of your class or spec

[gusty mirage]

so they want giga juiced classes

so when they inevitably die on every trash pack and every boss

they still +3 their key

[waxen oyster]

Idk I have no issue getting into 10s or below

but i also play pirate in keys

[hallow token]

why, then

[subtle tundra]

cause youre not 525 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

you'll have an easier time getting into 7s-10s than you will anything less, unironically

[runic hinge]

Because there’s 100 other dps applying

[waxen oyster]

pov only 523 ilvl

[subtle tundra]

nah there isnt 100 dps applying to +2

[runic hinge]

You’d be surprised

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't be too sure about that one big dog

[runic hinge]

With the key squish

[gusty mirage]

maybe not 100

but like

[waxen oyster]

there’s like 50 i bet

[runic hinge]

Everyone who did low keys is down there

[gusty mirage]

you're getting 40-50

[royal lantern]

????????????????

[runic hinge]

Plus it’s a lot of crest farm

[waxen oyster]

honestly i prob get into pugs

only because 523 is like 10 ilvl higher

than 90% apps

[gusty mirage]

people look at 2 things when inviting all DPS: score and ilvl

99% of the time they don't even check the spec

[waxen oyster]

me when an rdruid is yapping about “stopping” irrelevant aoe dam

mf if you have time to write paragraphs mid pull

play the game

[gusty mirage]

I once got kicked from a group because I wasn't reading party chat middle of the pull

[waxen oyster]

i swear

healer mains are so entitled

[gusty mirage]

"HELLO? ROUGE????" (always misspelled)

"You have been removed from the party"

oh okay then

I also got declined from a heroic fyrakk on my rogue once

after getting CE in January

that was neat

[waxen oyster]

my favorite pug moment

is people who think shroud means you can walk on top of mobs

[potent raven]

thats just rouge experience

[gusty mirage]

or people who start screaming when they fall a bit behind

[brave gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[waxen oyster]

also rets without fyralath

surrprise me

everyone and their mothe got it s3

[potent raven]

is this a build

or is that gonna be shit

[gusty mirage]

I didn't get it until week 1 of this season

[waxen oyster]

it was awkward on warrior

since you dont press until after cds

[gusty mirage]

should be aight, but DTB w/o amp is kinda monkaS ngl

[potent raven]

yes

thats waht i jus thought

[gusty mirage]

its the same on ret dw

except hammer of wrath extends wings

so you sit there with your thumb up your ass

waiting for wings to expire

[potent raven]

ok jus take amp and drop zoldyck and arterial

next week maybe

need this rn

ok so btw when u sign up to grps if its higher than 10 just sign with a note

"mass rage dispell" or w/e

works 50% of the time

[runic hinge]

This sims super high but I didn’t like it that much

[potent raven]

i see

y not?

[subtle tundra]

really?

so i want to spam hamemr of wrath?

havent read a single guide i press buttons

[gusty mirage]

ye how is big dam during wings

so you wanna use it as often as you can

[subtle tundra]

damn!

cool!

[potent raven]

i will try that build just for fun

[gusty mirage]

experimentation is the best part of the game tbh

[potent raven]

yea not my key anyway

[runic hinge]

Sudden demise feels good so you don’t feel like bleeds are wasted if they don’t full elapse and scent is super strong

[subtle tundra]

a quick 7 minute 30 sec diurna kill

lfr

[waxen oyster]

dont you get wings if someone dies

[gusty mirage]

Sí

[real pike]

are people taking caustic spatter or the rupture one for sennarth?

getting flamed for my add damage 😦

[scenic nacelle]

Any fight that has more than 1 target I’m taking Spatter

[real pike]

cool ty

[wide ferry]

Guys for kingsbane, are we hitting SD and Kb consecutively? Because on the kingsbane LE timer weak aura, it has a slot for shadow dance a couple seconds after popping KB, i always thought you hit them both at the same time

[real pike]

always SD just before KB

I macro it

[wide ferry]

thank you!

[real pike]

nps

[spice surge]

Well you wont hit spatter on the adds on sennarth anyway

So unless you want to hit the small adds while hitting the big add, spatter doesnt do much

[potent raven]

ok that build was kinda awkward

not great with so many bleeds

and no scent

ct is so bad in nokhud

[subtle tundra]

🤨

Wat

[junior aurora]

did u press the button

[potent raven]

maybe cuz it was a 12

[real pike]

maybe my guild is stupid but I do haha

we take the medium boi next to the boss

[junior aurora]

the shadow dance slot is where it runs out

assuming you mean the red line

[wide ferry]

For Arterial Shock build, were essentially losing our tierset (envenom explosions) ?

@junior auroraahh got it

Nvm, i meant poison bomb, were losing

[real pike]

what's the website where you can see what % of people took each talent on a certain boss? I think it's the top 100?

[potent raven]

ну

warcraftlogs?

[real pike]

oh is it just on there

[potent raven]

yea like this

u just sort it by boss/class+spec

but uh ye change the raid

[real pike]

sweeet tyvm

[potent raven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/31

so here

u only select class

[real pike]

that one madlad with twist the knife haha

ty ty

[wide ferry]

We poppin a tea alongside the beginning of our deathmark, kingsbane, sd shindig?

i see a few rogues blating on yt and they seem to be doin that

mastery buff?>

Sorry for the million questions also, i havent played sin since s2

[potent raven]

u should watch https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdpGDTwuSqRBdXYnMBF1ayg

whyspirs vids

[waxen oyster]

blating?

[potent raven]

he explains everything in detail

[radiant stream]

You should always use both tea charges on every kingsbane till you only get 1 charge

[wide ferry]

blasting* sorry jimmmy dean sausage fingers

[radiant stream]

Using tea outside of KB is a loss on dmg

[shy pecan]

You do it with the last six seconds of your KB to buff the final tick

[potent raven]

thats how i do it^

[waxen oyster]

youtube guides are full of misinformation

[wide ferry]

@potent raven @shy pecan thank you thank you

[waxen oyster]

ironically the only good ones are direct stream uploads

with no thumbnails or anything

[potent raven]

yes ultimately watch the vids

[shy pecan]

Whispyr has some video guides worth checking out on YT

[radiant stream]

If you check warcraft logs youll see everyone throws 2 teas on each KB one at the start one 6 secs left

[shy pecan]

You don’t throw tea at the start of KB

[waxen oyster]

why would you tea at start

[radiant stream]

Ask top 100 players on warcraft logs

I just copy

[waxen oyster]

you have excess energy with dm and lust

[radiant stream]

I guess mastery buff is more valuable

[waxen oyster]

you pop two eventually you’ll run out

[junior aurora]

ok hes not entirely wrong

[radiant stream]

Than the energy you would gain outside of dmg window

[junior aurora]

you use two on the first kb bc you want to get tea cd rolling

but after that you dont care about having tea up for the first half of kb

[radiant stream]

Rule I do is if I have 2 charges always throw 2 on KB if I havcve one only 6 secs left

[waxen oyster]

i mean if the first tea didnt overcap you

then maybe its fine

[wide ferry]

Someones gotta shoot me some dagger transmogs cuz all mine look like garbage

[radiant stream]

In fact, you will always get 2 charges on each deathmark

[waxen oyster]

dagger mog depends on mog itself

[radiant stream]

So you should always tea 2 times on deathmark + KB

[shy pecan]

[waxen oyster]

sin artifact skins are my usual goto

or challenge mode soul eater

[next dust]

how many bullions are we at boys

[shy pecan]

You run one tea with each KB. And it’s on a minute. So you won’t have two up for each DM.

[waxen oyster]

6

[shy pecan]

And should be at four if you didn’t do last week’s weekly dungeon quest

[next dust]

any way to be at 6 without quest?

or no catchup on that

[shy pecan]

Nope

[next dust]

allright

[shy pecan]

If you miss out, you miss out

Unlucky

[next dust]

yeah started tanking

and i missed the quest

its okay tho

[potent raven]

u wanna buy ashes?

[waxen oyster]

i divide dagger mogs into two daggers

low fantasy+realistic or "bright shiny sticks"

[potent raven]

ive 0 dag mogs i basically just started playing and never collected anything

any suggestions

[shy pecan]

Just get a wakizashi

[radiant stream]

Rasz on pull, rank 1 mythic warcraft logs

[potent raven]

hes french doesnt count

[junior aurora]

yeah, to get tea on CD

[potent raven]

jk sry

[shy pecan]

What someone does for rank #1 doesn’t always mean it’s what’s right

[radiant stream]

Rank 2:

[shy pecan]

There’s variance, externals, and other things involved

[spice surge]

Its what some would call the "accelerated opener", aka what you would do if you need deathmark up as close to 2 min as possible later on

[silk bane]

mah fav people

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[gusty mirage]

[shy pecan]

You’re my favorite at least

[silk bane]

youre my MOST FAVORITE person

[tall atlas]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3J9BxNWfGCz6v7Tr#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=21

ok so

[radiant stream]

I think that the ammount of dps you gain using tea outside of that window is less than the dmg amp you get durong KB with it

[tall atlas]

anyone know why this was so shit

i was on boss dps only is that why

[balmy condor]

Would have to dig into spell data, it’s a remnant from old vanilla-era, and the tricks stuff is just a byproduct of how the spell works. Tricks transfers the aggro you generate, but it doesn’t get multiplied by the tank aggro multipliers they have. So while you might be doing 5x their damage and transferring that aggro, your aggro is a drop in the ocean cause they can sneeze on a mob and generate 10-20x that

[waxen oyster]

yes

you’re not gonna parse overall on dathea if not on adds

[tall atlas]

promise?

[radiant stream]

You are not using 2 teas on KB with deathmark xD , joking but is the discussion we were having

[balmy condor]

Why would he use 2 teas on kb during deathmark

That would be a mistake

[spice surge]

Adding onto this, fairly sure the aggro you generate during shadow dance is greatly reduced

[tall atlas]

you just use one no

[radiant stream]

I dont know, I just see that every top player on warcraft logs does it

[tall atlas]

at 5s

[radiant stream]

I'm copying and I improved my parses as well

[balmy condor]

Correct

[silk bane]

yeah pretty sure dance reduces aggro

[marble whale]

@balmy condor i only found -8% threat on select spells from vanilla dunno if is still active

[tall atlas]

thanks dad

[balmy condor]

I was top 20 all stars in amirdrassil and never double tea’d in my life idk man

[junior aurora]

the tea they’re using in the opener is to get the cd rolling

[silk bane]

weird flex but okay....

[balmy condor]

“Top players” do shit wrong

Literally constantly

[radiant stream]

I'm pretty sure you gain more dmg that way than using a charge outside of the window

[waxen oyster]

@potent raven bloodweeper

best dagger mog

[balmy condor]

Sims highly disagree

It’s barely a gain to tea the last 5 of kb

[spice surge]

Also "top logs" this season is even more diluted than usual

[balmy condor]

The tea at the end of kb is barely 0.2%

[spice surge]

Since its spread across different raids

[radiant stream]

It feels strange that every top player does it and every guide states the opposite

[balmy condor]

It does

Welcome to top players thinking they know better

[waxen oyster]

top players

or just logs

[radiant stream]

Why all of them do it wrong?

[waxen oyster]

that happen to be on top

[balmy condor]

Because they’re idiots

[proven jasper]

Theyre idiots that happen to do the most damage

[spice surge]

Also when your specs damage varies by 17% each pull, doing something rotationally that is worth 0.5% doesnt matter that much

[junior aurora]

it doesnt show private logs either right

[waxen oyster]

there’s only a few consistently good players i’d trust more than others

i.e nibren and some other ones

[silk bane]

also variance, pi, kill timers, just because someones rank 2 vs a rank 5 doenst mean rank 2 is better...

[balmy condor]

Yep

[wide ferry]

@silk bane facts

[shy pecan]

Exactly

[spice surge]

But again, its not a big difference

[wide ferry]

Having a group thats cohesive and works around dps's cd's alongside PI and aug i mean youre talking a HUGE dps variance compared to someone doing the rotation 100% without that in a pug

[shy pecan]

You’re a big difference

[tall atlas]

did i do anything wrrong on that pull or was it just i was on boss group

[waxen oyster]

slow kill too

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fh7kZXDLAK19b6Qr#fight=41&type=damage-done

that’s soviets 460k on boss

[tall atlas]

my casts cd windows and chains were ok ye

[radiant stream]

I dont know that guy but also uses 2 tea charges:

xD I stop now

[balmy condor]

Come back with proof it’s better and I’ll update all the guides

[radiant stream]

Nah I was just discussing it, not big deal to me

[balmy condor]

It’s been a problem for like a year now it’s not just you

[radiant stream]

Oh I didnt know this was already discussed previously, I was just wondering. Sorry if it bothered someone

[balmy condor]

Nah it’s not a bother

It’s just one of those reoccurring things every couple of weeks

And people keep doing it for some reason

So people keep seeing people do it

It’s just a cycle of stupid

[radiant stream]

I guess everyone is in my boat, I don't usually read all the discussions here, too many messages for me to handle :/

[balmy condor]

And that’s fine

That’s why guides exist

[spice surge]

"Guides say x but people do z, why?"
Is an absolutely perfect question to ask, youre not bothering anybody

[slate crown]

Also if i'm reading this right, that second tea was half a second too early and wouldn't cover the final Kb tick, right? KB cast at 11 sec, fades at 25 sec, tea lasts 6 sec, cast at 18.5 -> fade at 24.5.

[tall atlas]

its more of a dps increase to use a tea for chains mid dps phases than using 2 on the DM

from what i understand

because then youre sat with no energy for ages

[spice surge]

Very short fights can make weird exceptions come out

[balmy condor]

Correct

[radiant stream]

That was a log from a random message of a guy here, even though he threw it on a incorrect timing doens't change the fact that uses it

[slate crown]

Yeah for sure, was just pointing it out

I understand it's beside the point you were mentioning

[balmy condor]

Just shows you don’t need to min max for good parses

[spice surge]

Speaking of parses, can they make windfury available to all shaman specs already

[waxen oyster]

no fuck ele

[slate crown]

I'd been working on SoD sim APLs for a bit and my brain is in the steady-state, fight length ~6 minute mindstate, and I had to contend with the fact that SoD's fight lengths start at maybe ~3 mins at the start of the patch and contract to like 20s for an encounter, honestly a reason why I just hate dealing with that content, it makes the fight a clownshow of pre-determined GCDs to maximize those 20 seconds

[shy pecan]

[silk bane]

no thematically doesnt match ele /resto

so they wont

unlucky

[spice surge]

Ye i was looking into some zaqali speed stuff earlier with a 20s fight too and its just ugh

[slate crown]

People trying to optimize to get 100s when all of them are trying for 20-25s encounters and I just told them to write their own APLs for those cases I don't care

Like, the answer is "crit more" when it's that tight

[fierce hill]

Parses are a meme anyway most of the time you have to play "worse" to get a better parse by padding like a brainded troll.

[spice surge]

Boss dps parse enjoyers

(except sometimes those are scuffed too)

[royal lantern]

Razageth

i TOTALLY need to use all cds into the shield that dies with 0 problems anyway

multiple times

[spice surge]

And you ideally have other people dont do it so it lasts longer

Tindral is the same

[slate crown]

Question about tindral shield actually maybe I misunderstood this but it's been in my mind since rwf

does the shield buff snap damage to it?

[subtle tundra]

ironic that you probably parse higher on alt runs on tindral

[slate crown]

Like I remember seeing on jpc's stream his KB ticks were monstrously high after a shield, they seemed out of the ordinary ticks

like, 1m+ ticks

[subtle tundra]

1m tick isnt out of the ordinary

[slate crown]

Not just that but like the agro

[subtle tundra]

pi is one hell of a drug

[slate crown]

I've done it too where I'll get agro on tindral after the shield because of ticks

idn

maybe it's nothing

[runic hinge]

I always forget to tricks during tindral and I get aggro after shield.

[balmy condor]

I’ve never gotten aggro after shield

[runic hinge]

Do more damage

Jk

[dark token]

i did pandaria sims today

[spice surge]

Just evasion

[ashen topaz]

first time doing over 400k overall as assa 😄 (im 502ilvl :P)

such a fun spec

[gusty mirage]

I mean the fact that he just drops his entire aggro table when he does the intermission shield is fucking stupid

[runic hinge]

Yes. But it gives me a reason to press evasion in raid

[magic meadow]

Can someone tell me which item we do fire damage to proc the rings?

[runic hinge]

Helm enchant

From amidrasil

[magic meadow]

ahh yea

[potent raven]

ok this is definitely good

turning off scrolling text too

going beastmode

[royal lantern]

wait what

[gusty mirage]

tindral drops his entire aggro table during supernova

[wide ferry]

After vanish during KB, we garrote rupture then garrote?

[slate crown]

Just refresh garrote, then you just keep doing your normal rotation (i.e. build with ambush, spend with envenom). You can refresh rupture if you want but rupture boosting during stealth windows is kind of whatever.

I.e. if you vanish at 5 CP, envenom, garrote, ambush. If you start at 0, garrote, ambush, envenom

[woeful meteor]

tindral sprinting at mirror images after intermission

[split grail]

Is there a soft cap on mastery. I'm at 106% in remix and I don't know if I should be using different gems

[runic hinge]

for remix it doesn't really matter, you're gonna just have ridiculous stats either way

[quiet oar]

So basically DROP_TABLE right?

(database joke)

[brazen zodiac]

i wish i could say the same

[split jewel]

why on earth is our mastery split up between lv 1 and 41 while leveling x_x

[balmy condor]

From the Ancient times

[potent raven]

damn right

aa 14

[balmy condor]

Nice

[clever sapphire]

beating fotm players always a nice feeling

[potent raven]

lol yep gotta do this every key now

sometimes they can be ok

but aa specifically is padland always gotta reset details after first pull

[past forum]

This was the mistake I knew I was making that took me the longest to stop doing (forcing in a buffed rupture whenever possible). Idk why but goblin brain said “rupture WA is shiny, must press”

[dull flax]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[shy pecan]

I laughed

[slate crown]

Yeah I turned off my “next rupture upgraded” glow for my rupture aura by default. I still show if the current one was buffed, just not upgradable. Will be able to completely remove in TWW and excited to simplify that aura

[eager rock]

guys quick question I havent played rogue since bfa

didnt snd used to give energy regen?

ontop of the attack speed I mean

[royal lantern]

SnD wasnt a thing in BfA mate lol

that abomination came back with SL

[glossy lagoon]

little unsure about what to do after the opener

after the vanish -> garrot refresh

[balmy condor]

you vibe

that's when you just envenom chain until next kb

[glossy lagoon]

OHH we vibin

is there any point in just spamming envom or just chain slowly until kb

(assuming you have energy)

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[glossy lagoon]

i see i see

[eager rock]

prepatch, but I found what I was looking for

[glossy lagoon]

@balmy condor why do i see people shiv before kb+dance in their log? i know you are suppose to shiv during deathmark

[balmy condor]

I ain't them

[glossy lagoon]

all i needed to hear

xD

[tropic tundra]

well it's both right

[balmy condor]

the first one probably doesn't matter too much

but dunno

weirdos

[tropic tundra]

because you apply deathmark - shiv and then dance KB

[glossy lagoon]

1 more question, so other than envenom chain you just try to keep up garrot and rupture( also improve garrot enter stealth)

[tropic tundra]

to apply shiv debuff for KB's full duration

[balmy condor]

yeah dm->shiv->kb is correct

shiv->dm->kb is the weird one

but it's probably whatever

most likely just higher highs cause you fit the last tick into lethal dose

but it's pretty much a wash

[balmy condor]

of course

garrote and rupture is like

half your energy

dropping them at any point in time is huge trolling

[boreal cloud]

Do I keep up CT in ST?

[tropic tundra]

no its a loss

[balmy condor]

4 targets

no less than 4

[tropic tundra]

whispyr simmed it yesterday and it was -3%

[boreal cloud]

Even in CDs?

[balmy condor]

did I say 4 except in cds?

it's 4

[tropic tundra]

yeah because our cd makes...

[topaz fulcrum]

xDDDDD

[balmy condor]

never less than 4

ever

at any point

with anything

in any situation

4 or more

[topaz fulcrum]

i dont even fuck with CT tbh

[tropic tundra]

[boreal cloud]

Well CD buffs bleeds and not envenom sorry for asking

[balmy condor]

what

no it doesn't

deathmark duplicates gar and rup

[boreal cloud]

Deathmark

Wait what

[balmy condor]

its got nothing to do with ct

[boreal cloud]

[boreal cloud]

[spice surge]

If anything its worse during cds

[balmy condor]

yeah

[spice surge]

Because deathmarks doubles amplifying

[boreal cloud]

I swear it was different

Was that changed in rework?

[spice surge]

No

[tropic tundra]

probably until 9.3

[balmy condor]

it's always been like that

[tropic tundra]

[topaz fulcrum]

yeah during cds globals should be uptime and envenoms

[boreal cloud]

[tropic tundra]

anyways the point is that ct itself is just not worth the cp cost in st

[boreal cloud]

Back in my days on jailer prog that was different

[tropic tundra]

our cd wasn't even dm til then

[runic hinge]

ct does no damage ST

[balmy condor]

blizzard did everything in their power with the 10.2 rework to make CT even worse in single target

[boreal cloud]

Good tbh

Feels like ass to use in ST

[tropic tundra]

yeah

[spice surge]

It kinda feels like ass to use even on aoe

[tropic tundra]

its something like early SL ferals casting magic dots

[spice surge]

Even though i know its good numerically

[boreal cloud]

Idk in AoE you have infinite energy so its whatever

[ashen topaz]

in Aoe opener, how many targets do i wanna garrote? just garrote garrote rapture?

[tropic tundra]

i mean, the question is 'is it better than just another envenom'

[ashen topaz]

or should i try to garrote more with vanish/SD

[tropic tundra]

you can garrote 3 times in 7+ targets

[ashen topaz]

tru, mb

yea thats what im doing, garrote garrote rapture garrote

[glossy lagoon]

@balmy condor i having trouble keeping up rupture and envom at same time

what is the timing on that

[balmy condor]

you maintain rupture

and if you can't maintain envenom, you don't

[spice surge]

When you run out of energy to maintain envenom, you do some irl stretches for a bit

Until youve got 80% energy and start hitting buttons again

[glossy lagoon]

but is there any advnace timing like 8 second before rupture drop you build or right after you refresh envom you build to get rupture

[balmy condor]

no

[glossy lagoon]

ok so the idea is to maintain rupture and its ok to drop envom just build back to 80

[balmy condor]

you just refresh rupture in pandemic like normal

[glossy lagoon]

and you vibe

[balmy condor]

and if your envenom drops then whatever

[glossy lagoon]

got it

[ebon steppe]

I guess the envenom here should be 5+ combo than 4+？

Step7

[balmy condor]

no

[tropic tundra]

Building cp at 5 mostly result in overcapping, feral druid logic

[balmy condor]

building to 5 before deathmark is technically better

but it's a min-max that isn't really useful

I tell people to finish on 4 the entire guide

so 4 there is fine

would be more confusing to say 5cp there for most

and then I'd have to explain why it's specifically 5 there, and not 4, hope people read that instead of thinking it's a typo

headache

mess

disaster

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ebon steppe]

Got it, thanks mate

[true condor]

the basic cp for imp garro is 3 cp when seal fate proc its 4 cp?

[celest helm]

is there a way to sim an item you cant equip? for memes i want to sim what tome would do for rogue

[slate crown]

Seal fate can't proc on garrote application because it cannot crit.

Imp garrote is always 3.

[balmy condor]

raidbots just lets you

there's no limitation on that

[celest helm]

when i do gear compare it doesnt exist for me

[balmy condor]

yeah

you gotta force it in

[celest helm]

how do i do that, i havent done that before

[balmy condor]

get the id from wowhead

and then you gotta replace the id

[celest helm]

oh bet ty

[balmy condor]

there's a good chance it will do exactly nothing btw

if you can't equip it in game, it's likely that even if you do force it onto your character

there is no spell data to support that in any way

which means it'll just brick

[slate crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1233411543421681724/rl7mgpak53rc1.webp

[true condor]

hope vault crit/mastery wep

[rotund oak]

Sarkareth dagger or dreamcarver 🤝

or both

[true condor]

i dont do raid now

inner group kick me off

[neat plank]

how do you guys play on Bromach? do you ever KB the totem or just tunnel the boss and apply bleeds on totem? I feel like if I do that it takes us forever to kill the totem (+12). Do you save any vanishes for it and just use it dry without KB or anything like that?

[rotund oak]

u can get those with bullions bro

🤝

[true condor]

yes, but my next bullion is for the mastery ring？

[rotund oak]

the tanking ring?

[true condor]

i think wep is the last bc i got some good choices now

yea

[rotund oak]

thats fair

can still take it afterwards

[rotund oak]

ive got 528 dreamcarver and kazzara dagger

ill prolly buy fang now

insta upgrade to 528

its more dps

[true condor]

yea will wait after vault come

imagine theres a good weapon in it

[rotund oak]

u can get two good daggers from the GV

thats true

out of 6-7 iirc

[true condor]

maybe craft one?

idk looks like a good choice also

2 BSL for me rn

like the god want me to do sin

everything he gave me is absolute perfect

avoidance neck

Critmas ring with slot

also a haste mas wrist with solt

[rotund oak]

no dont craft,better craft a 2nd shadowflame or food embelishment

[true condor]

i just shift my SFL into BSL

but sap

i do have a question

[rotund oak]

yes my man

[true condor]

vanish could let entangled expire right

[rotund oak]

if u vanish it removes roots

also clos

[true condor]

yea i people susing about me

[rotund oak]

F them

play whatever u feel more comfortable with

assuming u dont render ur dmg

or make urself vulnerable later on

always plan ahead

no matter the spec

we are rogues

[true condor]

[pulsar ice]

Do we keep garrote up outside of kings bane and no steath window?

[balmy condor]

what is strath

[pulsar ice]

Edited

[tropic tundra]

garrote rupture should be always maintained

[balmy condor]

yeah

garrote/rupture is like

all your energy

[tropic tundra]

unless somehow the target is dying in a second and your garrote rupture are somehow magically about to expire

[pulsar ice]

I see thanks

[slate crown]

I'm still confused by strath, is that a translation thing?

[pulsar ice]

No it was my phone auto corrector

[slate crown]

ahh

[pulsar ice]

Making some weird shit

[slate crown]

mystery solved

[tropic tundra]

relatable, I have keyboards for 3 diff lanaguage

its a pain

[pulsar ice]

Exactly 😂

[tropic tundra]

[tall atlas]

is ther still a rogue raid cheat sheet?

[tropic tundra]

probably only amirdrassil one but you can check out lorrgs.io

[grim jay]

Baby dont hurt me

Uh wait

[boreal cloud]

CDs on all the later bosses just depend on how fast your guild pushes and where they lust

Other than sark I guess because no % based phasing

[midnight mist]

sark has % based phasing

in p2 its very easy to early push

p1 is a little harder but i believe people were pushing p1 early in s2

people behind like

color only prolly

[true condor]

zac in sin

[grim jay]

Is zacssination back?

[royal lantern]

zac pops up here all the time

[subtle tundra]

zac in sin... my worst nightmare that comes alive sometimes

[royal lantern]

?

[south tendon]

Hi together. Im currently playing the shockbuild in M+. Sometimes the groups live a little bit longer than my first round of Garrote/Rupture is ticking on them.
First thought is reapply it and let Sudden Demise do the rest. I used Shadowdance at the start of the pack for Kingsbane so i dont have a stealth to reapply it easy. So long run and tag every mob on its own and reapply Rupture/Garrote which feels a little meh especially due to the cd of Garrote.
So i tend to just use it on maintarget and Envenom until the group is dead.
Which way is here the recommended?

[spice surge]

Iirc they didnt push p1 faster because it screws with the timings (aka nobody wants the 50% haste from coming up at like 1:45 instead of 2 min)

But they BL:ed p2 to skip breaths/adds

[midnight mist]

possible ye

[midnight mist]

love you too varas

but im a sin one trick now

i have seen the light

[subtle tundra]

man i want to love you but youre making it so hard

[midnight mist]

what did i do

[subtle tundra]

outlaw and french..........

[midnight mist]

I speak more english than french nowadays tbf

and since im a main sin now

[subtle tundra]

oui monsieur

[tropic tundra]

[earnest remnant]

we did

[true condor]

another sinlaw

zac

[earnest remnant]

with the normal timers you come at around 2:15 anyway

[digital folio]

You should mostly see rupture and garrote as your energy generators, sure they do some damage and you get the agility boost with the one talent but especially at the end of the pack you should mostly focus on envenom and CT to finish them off, keeping 1-2 garrote and 1-2 rupture for energy is enough

[spice surge]

Oh, but did you BL on pull still

[south tendon]

Yeah then my gut feeling was right. Thx for that.

[earnest remnant]

i think we did

not sure

[true condor]

if we are going to use wound poison next week, what talent should we replace

[midnight mist]

cant wait for nelth to be imune the whole p2 this week

or is it next week idk

who knows

[true condor]

i am using this

[midnight mist]

cool looking build bac

[true condor]

yes from lament

[ornate escarp]

hey guys quick question how much mastery % u guys have rn:
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/de-de/character/eu/draenor/drnomercyhd
since i rerolled from outlaw i still have thorns boots and was wondering if i should go 2bsl or 1 bsl + shadowflame for raid dmg.
since rn im at 84%

thanks for your input guys

[earnest remnant]

imma keep it real here bac

if you are playing assa

you are not gonna run wound

[royal lantern]

the general "rule" you should play after is

on pull, spread the dots wide with IC and then proceed into kingsbane spatter spread, can also just do things like "kingsbane+dance->garrote->envenom->garrote->garrote->envenom" to spread a bit during it

when you dont have IC and no ways to get it, Focus on keeping your bleeds running on priority targets/big targets that wont die because somone looked funny at them

also, in m+ you mostly should use vanish for IC/as a mechanic avoidance tbh, which gives you another window for it

[north bay]

How Hard is assa to learn/play in m+ ? (compare to outlaw for example)

[earnest remnant]

not bad

only thing you need to get to grips with really is tracking multiple mobs with dots

[north bay]

I already know that stuff from rDruid

Because i'm playing outlaw right now but I'm thinking on trying Assa i never tried that spec

[earnest remnant]

then you are like 90% of the way home

[hollow dirge]

what's left is making sure you use kb windows properly.

[earnest remnant]

the bleeds are the enabler for you dmg

[north bay]

Sounds good !! does snapshots exist too like in feral ?

[earnest remnant]

the the rest is just cooldown usage, which is rather easy, KB/DM on prio mobs

Kinda yeah

but not the same extend

its just Garrotes

from stealth really

and you snapshot KB with shadow dance whenever its possible

[north bay]

it fucking sucks in feral 😂

[earnest remnant]

yeah here is just bleeds applied from stealth

[north bay]

Sounds better to play around

[earnest remnant]

so you empowered garrotes or KB with shadow dance

thats all you really care about

[north bay]

And is it like on cd like outlaw ? or you Have real cd to place a the good time ?

[true condor]

rly bc its for sanguine

[royal lantern]

kingsbane is 1min cd, deathmark is 2min, they aling by themself

[earnest remnant]

its a tank affix

tell em to kite better

[true condor]

okay

[spice surge]

You dont want to give up like 10% dmg for wound

[midnight mist]

sin cant run wound ?

[royal lantern]

pug tanks when they cant stand still for 2min straight:

[midnight mist]

sussy spec ngl

[earnest remnant]

all of Assa's cds are streamlined
30sec
1min
and 2min

[true condor]

thats why i cant learn sub, bc sub is too hard for me

[midnight mist]

pug tanks when they havent moved the last 10 min and you suddently press boon

[earnest remnant]

time to zoom

[south tendon]

The part with Vanish is one of the bigger problems i cant really play around. For singletarget/Bosses or in the raid its simple. Use it at the end of bane and fine.
In M+ our tank is a very fast and agile one. I normally play mage so i dont care but when i twink i have to nearly constantly remind him that it would be fine if i could go in stealth between packs. This works so and so. So often times i use Vanish to start a pack because i couldn't stealth before.

[true condor]

too much calculating for a 10 score in math exam player

[royal lantern]

imo the wound poison talent should ad the heal reduction effect to instant and deadly poison, cus rn its so weird that the poison spec cant run an additonal poison lmao

[earnest remnant]

thats perfectly fine usage of vanish in m+

dance can be used in the same manner

[royal lantern]

did first boss RLP, tank didnt move for first whelps and just let them come, then for 2nd whelp group i use boon and he instantly jumps to the Other end of the arena

[earnest remnant]

id do that too as a tank

fck people playing boon

im gonna start gearing my shammy once my rogue is done
just so i can knock away mobs

w/e i see a boon

[royal lantern]

i mean sure, that is a usage for it?

not having stealth on Opener is not really that much of a negative for assa, its more on the annoying side

shittalk tanks for not letting you stealth for boss fights

[royal lantern]

ye

torch gang

just used boon for a while cus i dropped a heroic boon on week1

[earnest remnant]

i played Ashes+class trink in dungeons as assa yesterday

peaking 1mil on single target

[midnight mist]

[earnest remnant]

is quite interesting

[midnight mist]

What if you play both tho

[earnest remnant]

then i knock them

fuck booners

[midnight mist]

I just step tho, bad tanks can't stop me

[earnest remnant]

ill keep knocking them

you didn't know you queue'd into me and my 2 other shammy friends

you are done for

[midnight mist]

Kinda troll to play the knock away talent instead of the knock up tbf

[earnest remnant]

you say that

but sanguine week is coming up

[royal lantern]

isnt that a affix for +10 only

[midnight mist]

Oh ye true

[earnest remnant]

u know what im gonna run the knock up talent

and the 2x stun totem talent

[midnight mist]

Lol

[earnest remnant]

imma stun lock em in sanguine

[royal lantern]

and slow totem

[midnight mist]

Slow poison it is

[earnest remnant]

time to be a menace

and you spam Earthquake

[midnight mist]

Imma run the boosted slow poison talent

[earnest remnant]

for more knockdowns

time to see how much i can get sanguine to heal

[midnight mist]

I ain't inviting any racoon into my keys that's for sure

Not in sanguine weeks

[earnest remnant]

you wont know its me

im undercover

even my steam account is incognito

[midnight mist]

"im undercover"
Username: xxRacoonSubOneTricks69xx

[earnest remnant]

does this look like a person that would int sanguine weeks to you?

[royal lantern]

no

[earnest remnant]

tbf that would be my face staring you dead in the eyes while i do it

[royal lantern]

looks to polite for that

[midnight mist]

Does look menacing

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[true condor]

whats talkin about

[clever sapphire]

aight its time to suffer, creating a mop remix rogue

[spice surge]

Its fine playing assa

[clever sapphire]

phew so i dont have to go sub

[midnight mist]

Go outlaw I heard it was banging

[clever sapphire]

[midnight mist]

No cap

[clever sapphire]

i trust green name over yellow name

im just gonna take this completly out of context, cutting away the rest of the sentence and be happy

[lavish hazel]

is there any chan for mop remix?

[radiant yoke]

!stealthbug

!stealth

[strange python]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evokers legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[strange python]

that's the one that works in assa channel

[quiet oar]

Wdym by chan

[quiet oar]

!subtbug

[normal mist]

#1240570632798736385

[brave stump]

on how much dmg am i missing out when i play deathmark cds without shiv

for affix

[earnest remnant]

quite a bit

but why hold shiv to soothe 5 mobs

[brave stump]

because pugs

[true condor]

why blizz doesnt make shiv could spread

huh

[earnest remnant]

when all raging does is make em immune to cc

just kick em

use cc early

[boreal cloud]

[true condor]

i feel much tough when in the first pull of hollow

the wolf just running away

cant control them

[brave stump]

or just play the second shiv in kingsbane

idk how cursed it is

[true condor]

helled

[dark token]

if ur gonna do it

shiv the last 6s of ur kingsbane

[brave stump]

ye

[dark token]

and hold 1 charge for sooth

[brave stump]

thats what i thought

Or just hold my cds until it will drop them to 30% so second shiv will soothe them in cds

[grim jay]

Idk, just only run keys with a class that has a real sooth

And you are fine

[devout mist]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[ebon steppe]

That's exactly the problem if you put a no damage skill into rotation
I'm just so glad that feint thing is gone now

[boreal cloud]

Blizzard should make cloak an offensive CD

[ebon steppe]

What about 5s cd

[elfin knot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fallen ginkgo]

does anyone have the Seal of Filial Duty simc input? wanted to do a topgear sim

[south tendon]

You can add it for yourself:

Right under the currency is a Item search. Its like the old Gear compare just better. Search the item, add the itemlvl and it will pop up in your gearlist

[fallen ginkgo]

oh wow thats new? thanks for explaining, gonna try it out!

greyed out tho 🤔

ah nvm, gotta set ilvl

[tropic tundra]

Yeah that thing was previously in gear compare sim, they just moved the whole feature inside top gear

[fallen ginkgo]

Was about god damn time! Such a nice addition

[neon oxide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent raven]

i do but

just use it if i have to

but i keep 1 charge

[clever sapphire]

lvling is still not for me, got to lvl 17 before almost falling asleep

[potent raven]

same

i need more entertaining content

like wiping in keys or to raid bosses etc

[clever sapphire]

i thought the remix thingy would make it interesting

but nah

im still playing like its normal lvling

[quiet oar]

Well you need to lvl up tbh

To "feel" it

[clever sapphire]

ye no thx

you cant convince me to lvl more

[quiet oar]

I wont

[royal lantern]

i can

you can enjoy bonespike and its resets

[clever sapphire]

ye no it takes too long to get there

[south tendon]

Just throw a lvlboost at the rogue

Not worth the lvlexp. Just good endgame

[barren yarrow]

I feel like bone spike isn’t useful in dungeons but does anyone run that?

[clever sapphire]

oh i already have 3 rogues, just wanted to try mop

[clever sapphire]

nope

the pathing to it is also cursed kinda

[barren yarrow]

I figured.

[tropic tundra]

isn't the spell never used at all except for outlaw in sl keys

the idea is really cool tho

[clever sapphire]

it had a bit of shine in S1

tww fixes this hopefully

but i dont think we will talent into it if doomblade stays above it

[tropic tundra]

literal doom

[spice surge]

Leveling as assa was fine, you just garrote+rupture a mob and its dead

[clever sapphire]

i mean it wasnt hard or anything, its just leveling in particular that i cant stand

[tropic tundra]

i just like questing in rpg so it was ok in remix

trying vanilla oblivion this month as well

[true condor]

bro

thats

so fun

i just DM+KB

then everything ruin

[clever sapphire]

always press evasion with dm

i do it 9/10 times

[quiet oar]

Where dodge

[barren yarrow]

honestly I haven’t played assa since they removed the ability that dots targets. I think indiscriminate carnage is what’s it called now.

[boreal cloud]

Bonespike with the legendary where it shot 2 was great

Now its ass

[shadow tulip]

Idk what to think, but I guess CP not expiring on REMIX is unintentional, right?

[vestal wren]

would consider that a bug

[shadow tulip]

I'm happy for it, just doubt it's intentional

[barren yarrow]

Would I use shiv then KB? Or KB then shiv?

Also if this is in a guide somewhere please let me know lol

[bleak sun]

Shiv then dance kb

[barren yarrow]

dance for poisons?

[dark token]

its not a cp bug

its a combat bug

in remix u can be PERMA in combat

becuase of the tinkers

[barren yarrow]

Trying to figure my rotation out for raids and M+

[drifting cedar]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[dark token]

in raid we had to release each boss we died because perma in combat

[bleak sun]

For crit+the opportunity of reapplying garrote boostd

[clever sapphire]

now thats a lie

wasnt this last updated in S2 or so

[drifting cedar]

Didn't mean to do that but to put a log up for someone to review in order to help me

[dark token]

i mean

this stuff

is all decent

[barren yarrow]

Doesn’t have any up to date logs for assa. But I’ll find some on wowlogs

[true condor]

almost there

so unlucky, tank press windows in his last pull

then died

[barren yarrow]

Gotta love that

[crimson zephyr]

Hello, had a longer break. I still have the toxic thorn footwraps and life bound bindings. Can and are they worth upgrading? Thanks in advance https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/blackmoore/âthzura

[clever sapphire]

its pinned, in short if you dont wanna waste gold on crafting bsl its gonna be fine

[fiery ore]

!fu

[cursive owl]

Guys

im completely Confused

there is a guy , playing ST Raid SKill tree in an academy +7 and bombing adds down with just cuastic spatter doing 1,3 million dps , is this normal ? why do we have a mutli target talent tree even ?

[subtle tundra]

to do aoe

[cursive owl]

i clearly see st skilltree works just fine for AOE O_O

[spice surge]

Yes using spatter+ic and rest ST build is alright

The full aoe build is gonna do more aoe though

If you want more aoe, you spec more aoe, if you dont, then dont

[potent raven]

academy is a crazy dungeon for assa man

[cursive owl]

can i post the video here somewhere and u can tell me if i am legally blind ? or is this just legit. caus im confused as fk seeng this one

[potent raven]

i dont see why not

[cursive owl]

hold my peer

beer*

this video is 7 days old, same person released another video with double the overall dmg and let me see this one first

[potent raven]

who is it

sybelissa?

has to be him

[cursive owl]

yes

[potent raven]

or w/e his name is

[cursive owl]

70% MASTERY O_O

[potent raven]

only person to ever post rogue vods on yt that are no outlaw

yeah u get 70 with 2 embelishments

and some gear

[cursive owl]

Brah

get me out

[potent raven]

mine rn

[cursive owl]

2,5 million aoe DPS ?

[potent raven]

gears kinda shit cuz i have vers to survive so

yea

on first pull

u can do a lot

[cursive owl]

ye

pumping like a maniac

[potent raven]

its not that impressive

in a 7

u shoul watch zerocool

guy does that in a 17 xd

[cursive owl]

i it O_O ?

whats currently aoe DMG cap on a assa rogue ?

[potent raven]

my overall in academy 14 yesterday

[cursive owl]

O_O nice

[subtle tundra]

wtf is a damage cap

[cursive owl]

like

[potent raven]

he prolly means

target cap or

[cursive owl]

nu

[potent raven]

?

[subtle tundra]

nah my iq is lowering from this

nvm

ignore me do your thing

[cursive owl]

there is a point where there is no more dmg increase

[potent raven]

like diminishing returns from something or what

[cursive owl]

whats the current highest AOE dps measured as assa

[subtle tundra]

🤨

[cursive owl]

is what i mean

[subtle tundra]

sure let me pull my spreadsheet

holy moly!

[spice surge]

No clue nor do i think it matters

[cursive owl]

if u say +7 2,5 mill aoe is common O_O

[subtle tundra]

when you have a 30 mob pull, yea

[potent raven]

its cuz of the damage u do to the small lashers there.. its not that impressive

[cursive owl]

im happy to get 400k out of a pull with my shit rogue

ahhhhh

i see