assassination

[keen spruce]

I didn’t even know you were drinking last night

[proud dust]

here's the sim if anyone's feeling generous (I think this is appropriate for this channel but I might be wrong) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pgVo6ooLdHyysnmeLndZ4f

[runic hinge]

I was very drunk lol

[keen spruce]

I had an airplane bottle of sparkling wine

And a N/A Pilsner

[restive goblet]

Hey yall. Any one have an opinion on Madness of the Betrayer? I don't see it on Blood Mallet so I kinda have nothing to go off of how it fares against other trinkets ya know?

[keen spruce]

Idk what that is so I’m assuming it’s bad. And if it’s not on bloodmallet I also assume it’s bad.

If you could sim it

But probably gonna be bad

[balmy condor]

isn't that some classic shit

I've never even heard of that

[restive goblet]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=32505/madness-of-the-betrayer

Yea drops out of Timewalking BT

[balmy condor]

oh

well there's the answer

timewalking doesn't drop stuff that's worthwhile

[keen spruce]

From the text it looks like it would be very mid. And TW stuff normally tuned way down

[restive goblet]

Makes sense

thank you ❤️

[keen spruce]

Not worth the trouble unless you’re like a fresh 60 and just need something to equip ig

70?

What’s the level cap

[restive goblet]

70

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

brother

💀

dudes been playing dragonflight for nearly 2 years and doesn't know what level cap is

[keen spruce]

I see everything in frogs

[balmy condor]

seems pretty juiced what's the issue exactly?

you're missing an ashes

fire proc ring would be a bit more as well

but overall this is pretty by the book

[proud dust]

okay good, just was somewhat below my outlaw sim and I wanted to make sure it was appropriate, ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

yeah the diff there is probably just the ashes

hold on one sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8yjpxGM6n7ExWbAb2DzEa

yah

pretty decent increase just from those two

[proud dust]

okie doke, ty very much

[balmy condor]

[turbid mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ocean drum]

one quick question: does sanguine blades snapshot or is it calculating while the respective bleeds are ticking?

[spice surge]

When the bleed is ticking

[balmy condor]

it does damage every tick

[ocean drum]

so we want to stay above 150 energy pretty permanently?

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[ocean drum]

thanks mate! ❤️

[rough moss]

Ok so I spend the evening trying sin on m+

This is so much fun

[prisma vortex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Welcome to the fun chill spec

[spice spire]

Nope high octane only

[open plume]

so 13% haste will make this spec feel like trash right?

[runic hinge]

Spec never feels like trash tbh

[open plume]

I stand there for 10 seconds watching my energy regen

[balmy condor]

yeah

welcome to assa

[open plume]

ohhh

its supposed to be like that?

[balmy condor]

yes

[open plume]

hmmm

[balmy condor]

energy management spec

[rough moss]

It’s worse on sub imo

[runic hinge]

That’s when I take time to type in discord

[open plume]

lol

[runic hinge]

When I gotta pool

[balmy condor]

sub is pretty slow outside of cds too yeah

[keen spruce]

spec

[open plume]

I thought I was doing something wrong

[split cipher]

Blindside waiting room spec

[slate crown]

We go, then we chill, then we go, then we chill

such is the way

[rough moss]

@balmy condor just watched you pooling video, gonna try on dummy tomorrow

[keen spruce]

shiv window, perfect cast sequence accuracy and timing, perfect global management

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

then

for like 40s

and still get beat by ret paladins drooling on themselves

[open plume]

I actually like, sorta like venth boomy. big burst window then chill

[balmy condor]

okay quick, do I do 4 shorter videos, one for each dungeon, or do I lump them together into groups of 2 like we actually tested them

[keen spruce]

4 vids

release on consecutive days

better algo

[haughty flicker]

4 vids= 4 hiyas

[balmy condor]

yeh that's what I was thinkin

[slate crown]

for tww dungeons?

[haughty flicker]

so choice is obvious

[balmy condor]

yeh

[keen spruce]

keep em between 10-20m

[slate crown]

Yeah 4 vids

[balmy condor]

oh I won't have content for that

[keen spruce]

just uhh

[balmy condor]

we ran them for SEO images

[keen spruce]

throw some b-roll in there

[balmy condor]

so half the video is just me ducking into some side area to screenshot

[runic hinge]

Get the cats on cam

[slate crown]

Yeah make cuts to you in your chair talking to the camera filling time

with repeated b-roll in the background

that's blurred

so it isn't obvious it's a repeat

(Don't take video making advice from me I'm not a content creator beep boop)

[balmy condor]

well I was gonna just

pull up the video

and then talk over it

and then gg

[keen spruce]

need 10m

to satisfy algo overlords

[slate crown]

I don't think they have to be 20m

[balmy condor]

it's 8

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

midrolls are 8+

[slate crown]

IS the 10m rule still a thing algo wants you to hit?

I know that was a thing at one point ages ago

[balmy condor]

10m rule was for midroll adds

[keen spruce]

ig it's 8 now

[balmy condor]

to up your cpm

[keen spruce]

u can squeeze in 8 minutes

if you run out of dungeon content

[balmy condor]

I can do 15 easily

but I'll split them up

[keen spruce]

then just do some react content

to posts in here

or in your comments

[balmy condor]

you laugh you lose video

[keen spruce]

as an outro

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

Do it

I dare you

[keen spruce]

if u react to questions or comments in here

we can clip them

and post them as responses

when people inevitably ask them again

[balmy condor]

yeah

[keen spruce]

you can do your whole rant on restealths

[balmy condor]

that's gonna be a thing

[balmy condor]

I can't do a rant for that

[keen spruce]

then we can just save it

demonitized

[balmy condor]

the #1 feedback on that video was that I was old man angry screaming at clouds

I think my next attempt at restealth video will just be ted talk style

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-buress-right-booing-gif-13861878

[balmy condor]

I'll make a google slide deck

[keen spruce]

whispyr trying to tell the world to stfu about restealths

[balmy condor]

spreadsheet with sources and analysis

[slate crown]

You need a stage with a spotlight and a headset mic and a turtleneck

[balmy condor]

citing all my shit APA style

[keen spruce]

gotta bring the heat with the data

i mean it won't help

but like

ig u gotta do it

[balmy condor]

I told one guy that years of log analysis and sims have said restealths aren't important

and he goes

"who said that, where is that coming from"

BROTHER ME

I AM THE SOURCE

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

dude expected me to have like a 25 page research paper on this or someshit

I mean that's probably what I'm gonna need to do

but jesus christ

[keen spruce]

okay but counter point ... it feels bad

[runic hinge]

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/shutupangry-gif-26036331

[keen spruce]

Timothy 4:4
For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths.

[gilded oasis]

can you do a chair review video too

[balmy condor]

no

[gilded oasis]

ok rude

[keen spruce]

could do a cat review

[gilded oasis]

amen

no hes old and grumpy just wants to talk about restealths

[keen spruce]

i dont' think he wants to talk about restealths

[gilded oasis]

I think he secretly does

[open plume]

Is this a bad idea?

[runic hinge]

If he doesn’t wanna talk about restealths then why is he making a video about restealths

Take out the tea

You should use that in the last 6 seconds

[open plume]

will do

[keen spruce]

you don't tea with KB but as long as 14 is ashes then the rest is fine

[balmy condor]

because I have to man

[open plume]

yup its ashes

[keen spruce]

technically

you're supposed to use ashes like 3-4s after KB

but also that's annoying and lame

[open plume]

use tea when im below x energy?

[keen spruce]

outside of CDs you use it for energy management to extend your envenom chains

during CDs it's just used with 6s remaining on KB to buff the final ticks

[balmy condor]

no

just use on kb

[keen spruce]

seli lied to me

[slate crown]

I put mine on DM so it can always be with the bigger burst window, in case KB gets desynced pack to pack in dungeons when there's misc downtime or w/e

[balmy condor]

seli is 2 months behind

[slate crown]

So I don't use ashes on an off-KB accidentally

[balmy condor]

using it 3 seconds into kb hasn't been relevant since the kb nerf

it's completely equal to using with kb

[keen spruce]

in key's i'd probably macro it to DM ye

[keen spruce]

ic ic

[gusty mirage]

Don’t let these number monkeys get you down brother. Chase that 0.01% optimization

[keen spruce]

I don't even play wow

tft retirement home

[dark token]

Ye that's why I activate it manualyl

With my KB

[slate crown]

I still out of habit

press my branch keybind

[dark token]

Not like sin has a lot of apm compared to sub anyway

[slate crown]

so I could do the same as well

just place it there

[dark token]

With sub you need to manually ashes then sectech I just treat sin as the same

[open plume]

welp, putting poisons on your weapons makes a BIG difference

[slate crown]

[open plume]

I was like, what am I doing wrong. I literally stand here for 15 seconds waiting for energy. Then I put poisons on...

[cloud basin]

so do i buy grieftorch tomorow even if i cant use it right away?

[slate crown]

If you're not going to use it right now, why buy it right now?

[cloud basin]

i mean dunno what else id buy lol

[slate crown]

Do you have to buy something?

immediately?

[gilded oasis]

yeah its burning a hole in his bags

[slate crown]

We play assassination

we literally pool our resources

[cloud basin]

her but yes

[slate crown]

the same can be said of currencies 🙂

[gilded oasis]

pools closed

[slate crown]

😦

[cloud basin]

i mean i wouldnt use it right away cuz i have this

could also buy a necklace

nvm

they dont have the tindral neck

[digital venture]

guys do you DM > Shiv or Shiv > DM? For some reason that just came to my mind

[cloud basin]

i DM shiv

[digital venture]

I do too, but I wonder if DMing with shiv on the target has any effect extra

[spice surge]

Well shiv does close to zero damage

So you dont want to use it in DM if you can avoid it

[digital venture]

ok that does make sense, as you tecnically have a limited number of globals to fit in the DM window. If you shiv b4 DM you save one. Thanks!

[gilded oasis]

env DM shiv dance

[spice surge]

mb ye you need to shiv in it otherwise you lose uptime

[graceful halo]

has anyone had it where mutilate just doesnt exist in your spellbook? legit cant find it

[balmy condor]

if you get a blindside proc, mutilate gets replaced

but aside from that, wouldn't know

[graceful halo]

i think its perma stuck as ambush...

[slate crown]

It may be on the class tab

not spec tab

I think sinister gets updated to it?

[graceful halo]

not there either. wee!

[gilded oasis]

have you logged all the way out and closed game and gone back in

[graceful halo]

not yet im mid DOTI

[gilded oasis]

then you could try making a /cast mutilate macro to use in the meantime, see if it works

[graceful halo]

ooo havent tried that. i just swapped to outlaw lol

[gilded oasis]

lolol

[slate crown]

Is doti per-boss lockout or is it per-instance lockout?

[balmy condor]

per boss

it's regular mythic dungeon

[slate crown]

Nice

[empty crag]

are most running blue silk x2? or are people running toxic boots?

[balmy condor]

I'd hope everyone is running blue silk x2

@slate crown pick a time, and a time interval

[slate crown]

4:35, 15 seconds

did I win

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[balmy condor]

okay

maybe a bit bigger

I'm talking these dungeon vids

15 seconds apart would be a wild upload cadence

[slate crown]

oh lmao

[drifting cloud]

69min, 420hours

[balmy condor]

💀

forget I said anything

[slate crown]

5:30, 1 hour

[haughty flicker]

why did the time change

4:35 was a good one

[balmy condor]

1 hour apart

sounds reasonable

[slate crown]

Oh boy new whispyr content, just got home!

ANOTHER ONE?

AND ANOTHER???

[haughty flicker]

i'll set my alarm

[balmy condor]

get an egg timer

it's even funnier cause I get progressively more upset with every dungeon

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

aight

Tis done

bottom of the hour for the next 4 hours

me go touch grass

[haughty flicker]

how am i supposed to go to sleep now

wtf

[paper blaze]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[balmy condor]

you can hiya tomorrow

[drifting cloud]

shadow who hates dungeons uploads dungeon footage, content changed you

[balmy condor]

I don't hate dungeons, I just hate the unfun m+ meta of pull one pack at a time, hold w with no route variance, haha get one shot by every mechanic

but also the main thing we went in for was screenshots for wowhead article images

not to omega test dungeons

so

more a scenic stroll + yapping

[drifting cloud]

I cant know that, the videos arent live yet!

[balmy condor]

also the only dungeon that didn't bug out was the priory

the rest just had bosses not spawning, gates not opening up after a boss kill, broken rp

[drifting cloud]

sounds somewhat normal

or well Im guessing beta hopefully cant be far off

[balmy condor]

I assume (hope) there's gonna be a lot of iteration

cause oh boy

[drifting cloud]

all fixed in next build for sure

[balmy condor]

Surely

Should also be in #tww-assassination whoops

[graceful halo]

so i geuss if you swap specs with blindside procced you lose the ability to mutilate until you relog

[tropic tundra]

have you tried /cast mutilate

probably this would also cast ambush nvm

[balmy condor]

Huge

Makes sense with the way it’s coded

[drifting cloud]

how does it make sense, where my ability go whispyr

[tropic tundra]

its in stealth mode

[drifting cloud]

so if you dont use a blindside proc would mutilate just disappear aswell

[tropic tundra]

mutilate

[balmy condor]

in order to make ambush replace mutilate on a blindside proc

the game literally overwrites mutilate

Like if you have a /cast mutilate

With a blindside proc

You cast ambush

Because mutilate does not exist

It points to ambush

Spell book and everything

[drifting cloud]

so in this cenario you have to actually relog, reloading wouldnt help

for example?

[balmy condor]

For all player-visible sources, you don’t have mutilate anymore, you just have ambush and ambush

So yeah

Reloading UI doesn’t work

Cause you swapped specs with a blindside proc

It locked that in

The timer never expired to swap it back

So it just freezes like that

Relogging would reload aura states and the spell book

And give you mut back

It’s actually kinda even worse than that, cause it doesn’t replace mut with ambush

It replaces it with a container

Which could be anything

But this container is ambush

[slate crown]

Here this is your builder now 📦

[rotund oak]

just watched the video

[nimble zinc]

Q: how does a rogue keep up with a tank thats continously kiting mobs? we keep picking up trash and i dont have a chance to restealth and my dps is wayy the f lower

[dark token]

You keep bleeding things my dude

Assa is quite good in this scenario

As long as you run a reasonable build with CT and scent of blood instead of cleave build garbage

[nimble zinc]

i mean i keep applying garrote / rupture / fan of knives / crimson tempest, but my dps is wayyyyyyyy lower

like single pulls of 3-5 guys i can pop 400k easily at 483 ilvl, but when its like 7-12 chains nonstop im only doing like 200-250k

[dark token]

You should be maintaining your 400k or whatever

[nimble zinc]

like i cant take advantage of indiscrimante carnage if i cant re stealth tho

like rupture spreads easier when ihave stealth

do i just keep swappiung targets and rupture them one at a time?

also im used to saving shadowdance and vanish for KB window, do i use it just for IC in M+ pulls?

[runic hinge]

I use vanish for ic unless it lines up for kb on a boss

[runic hinge]

And when I have kb and dance macroed but I’ll often just use that window to apply bleeds

Unless you’re doing really high keys most things won’t live your kb anyways

So no need to sit there and baby sit it if you need to get bleeds out

[rotund oak]

fok=>tab=>rupture also vanish and press ur trinkets

also to do 400k in any scenario is cool but ur ilvl is on the low side

[rotund oak]

and this is wrong,u never save anything

only in very niche situations

[rotund oak]

quick question

fatal concotion doesnt buff KB right?

i mean not even from the wpn poison scaling which KB ramps from

indirectly

[shy pecan]

Yeah, pretty much all this with regards to restealthing. Don't need to use Vanish only on bosses

[nimble zinc]

Yeah I played my rogue for the first time today. Was still 480 ish from end of season 3. First time I played him in like a month.

[crystal hill]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nimble zinc]

Awesome thank you guys so much

[shy pecan]

Was just running weeklies with @junior aurora just now and I was chain pulling packs but he still was pumping as sin without the restealths and on the longer pulls

[nimble zinc]

Does this guy have a twitch or YouTube I can watch?

[shy pecan]

lol no

we were just hanging and last minute keys with friends

[rain mortar]

Peaking at 2 million on aoe pulls feels gooooood - don’t remember a time in recent memory I felt this good in m+

[lime edge]

got ashes from raid holyy

saved 2 bullions

[junior aurora]

dont speak lies

i was not pumping

[runic hinge]

Were you trying outlaw again

[junior aurora]

no i was sin

but they were only 8s

kingsbane didnt even last 4 seconds on the highest hp mob in the first big pull of RLP

[runic hinge]

That’s gonna be my highest key this season

[drifting cloud]

I believe you can do a 9 Tony

aim high

[runic hinge]

I could. But do I want to?

[drifting cloud]

keys are very interesting or I only get the most interesting of pugs

[runic hinge]

I’ll probably get convinced to do higher keys by friends but trust I’ll complain the whole time.

[drifting cloud]

had a lock that did 100k less than me in an 8 hoi and that guy apparently timed it on 13

[runic hinge]

That is wild

I got in a +2 group for my one rogue key I did last week and it seemed like that was the first key the 3 guildies in there had done

Using party chat to talk strategy

Was a little adorable

[drifting cloud]

and I accidentaly opened the rp mage streamer and saw him in a 12

and proceed to realize my pug mages are x3 worse than that

[junior aurora]

tony ill get you into at least a 10 by the end of this season

but ill go on my mage to prevent direct comparisons

[runic hinge]

Good. I don’t need to see how badly I do compared to other rogues

[junior aurora]

i like the mage more this season

rogue feels bad in keys rn

[slate crown]

"Accidentally"

[drifting cloud]

just had the directory opened and since wow is dead game outside of classic content releases he was like 3rd by viewers

[slate crown]

He's out here living his best life and I'm here for it

[drifting cloud]

yeah its fine was just surprised to see him in a 12 thats all

[slate crown]

Yeah

can bsl go on jewelery?

Answer: yes

[restive belfry]

Q: is better assa than suti without pi?

[autumn raft]

Is sin stronger than sub now in raids?

[tropic tundra]

not really, but all sub players aren't playing it because of a cringe bug in wcl

the big part of their burst spell secret technique is somehow seperated from the rogue player and this results in ~60k dps loss in logs

[autumn raft]

So sub is stronger in raids\m+ still them

[cursive owl]

i dont get my aoe combo out in m+ groups >w< dealing roughtly about 120k , any advise ? like i know i should run higher keys but, ... ilvl 488 KEKW

[lime delta]

how many targets do I need to cast crimson tempest?

icy veins guide makes it sound like I should be maintaining it on single target

[grim jay]

No

[grim jay]

Potentially yes

[grim jay]

If you dont have wft potentially

And unless its smolderon or maybe raszageth

[hallow token]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[marsh zinc]

Can someone tell me what's more important

Playing the t set with the envenoms

Or staying over 50% energy

Or should both be possible at the same time and I'm just bad

[thin furnace]

Tier set

[hallow token]

You will have to pool energy sometimes, it is ok.

[grim jay]

You dont really play around staying above 50% at all

[runic hinge]

4+ targets

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[marsh zinc]

When I reapply rupture do I spam to try and chain envenom then?

And during DM I can't really delay envenoms but should I use tea to stay healthy on energy as long as I have the 6 sec tea at the end?

[runic hinge]

Dm will have you saturated on energy so you’ll be spamming envenom. You can use tea whenever you’re low on energy

And then if you use one charge during your opener it’ll be up for every kb because it is a 1 minute cd and so is kb

[marsh zinc]

I did try using 2 charges for every 2min cds and 1 in between without dm

[junior aurora]

should i get some vers?

[quiet oar]

Nah you are fine

[normal mist]

No

[quiet oar]

YOu are slightly above the crit cap

[normal mist]

Keep increasing mastery

[quiet oar]

Should try to get more mastery instead

[junior aurora]

thought there wasn't any breakpoints

[grim jay]

Bro playing warframe in WoW and going for Red crits

[normal mist]

Only for CRIT as a rogue

Play destruction and that crit might be worth

[grim jay]

But it was 32 and not 320

[junior aurora]

oh this is my mage

the breakpoint is 30% lol

[grim jay]

32

Its always 32

[junior aurora]

28% with crit flask

[grim jay]

(even if frost mage wants 33.34%)

[junior aurora]

only 900 more rep to go in this stupid area

[normal mist]

Easier to just get 100

All attacks will crit

[runic hinge]

Enjoying cobalt rep farm I see

[junior aurora]

frost mage doesn't really care about 33%

its cool if you get it

but going over is good too for aoe

[normal mist]

Shatter adds how much?

50?

[junior aurora]

33% makes shatter 100% chance

[grim jay]

33.34

[normal mist]

So shatter 66?

Ohhhh

Germa66

[junior aurora]

shatter triples

[normal mist]

Thanks I was so lost I almost found the one piece

[grim jay]

Shouldve left you wandering off then

Wouldve been a good thing ig

[junior aurora]

stats at the end of the grind

[normal mist]

I'll perish before the one piece is found

[junior aurora]

the only thing standing between me and the giant dog

meaning check once a week to see if i rng'ed correctly

[nova kelp]

just remember the fishing hole also has to be "good" or better before the daily appears

[analog hornet]

A tank told me that I can instant kill Bromarch (Uldaman) at 25% when the totem drops.

Is it really possible if you put the big burst in there? 😅

[normal mist]

Never saw that happen but I don't play assa in keys rn

[grim jay]

Idk sounds like some substances were involved

Sin is a dot spec with a longer burst phase and 25% max HP is a big number

[junior aurora]

i have never seen a fishing hole go below rich

[clever sapphire]

in m0 maybe

[clever sapphire]

i do but i dont touch uldaman

[grim jay]

I kinda like it on sin ngl

Also aint too bad unless you play with bad people

[normal mist]

I was actually wondering if there was any weird interaction between assa and blowing up the totem or something

[analog hornet]

He said that the 2 caster troggs and the totem give a 240% dmg boost. With AS-Build it should be possible when all bleeding is fresh and Shiv/Shadowdance is active.

+Deathmark

[normal mist]

But the DMG boost is for the boss

Not for the party

Right?

[clever sapphire]

i have no idea how much hp the boss is at at 25% since its key lvl dependant and also i dont know the hp of the boss at all

but executing a boss at 25% seems like something i cant see happening outside of m0

maybe a +2 if you are really well geared

[analog hornet]

It was a 9 🤣 Tyranical 🤣 i cant belive it 🤣

[normal mist]

The DMG boost part

It is for the boss/adds for sure

Not the party

[clever sapphire]

ye he just meant rupture/garrote 2-3 mobs for scent stacks and so the boss oneshots

but on a +9

thats a lot of dreaming

and the adds probably die before you can even get a few bleeds out

[brave stump]

• frost mage doesnt really care
• its cool if you get it

WE GOT A COMEDIAN

FROST MAGE = COOL

sorry pre coffee im

[subtle tundra]

@gusty mirage i need you

[vestal wren]

people prepearing to play frost mage in pandaland remix

[clever sapphire]

pandaland is gonna be another rogue

[tropic tundra]

not sure which class to pick up since i have max lvl with every class

[royal lantern]

take something with chill leveling then

idk, hunter

[grand trail]

I have like 7k vers and raidbot is like more vers please

[tropic tundra]

yoga rogue

[grand trail]

Haste=vers=>agi>crit>>mastery gaming

[royal lantern]

me, 1week ago running around with almost 40% vers

[grand trail]

This bug in logs for sub make me buy ashes next week

Was chilling with mythic fragment

[grim jay]

Ive been holding the buy from this week anyways because I still didnt drop a single mythic dagger

Would love to just buy ashes

[clever sapphire]

i bought ashes and grief

running with a 522 and 483 timestrike in offhand

i just bought what sounded fun, its not like i wanna minmax out on a currency i will get every second week anyways

[grim jay]

Terros has always either been 1 or 2 daggers, but he just refused last time, same as kazzara and igira

[clever sapphire]

igira was 2 daggers for us, but i was benched

and other rogue too

im thinking if i insta buy dagger or wait until terros kill

[grim jay]

Rather wait

Terros most of the time dropped one iirc

Vault also has a decent chance

[potent raven]

Yup

Week 4 of season out im still 522 dagger

[subtle tundra]

Kind of your responsibility to tell your gm about that

Boos drops dagger and no rogue in the raid

He can't remember every loot drop

[potent raven]

Tru

[clever sapphire]

yap but i thought the other rogue was in, only saw it after the kill that he was also benched

[clever sapphire]

ye probably gonna do that

[lime edge]

yo guys

uh

why doesnt this work

[potent raven]

No

[grim jay]

I mean

[lime edge]

i can do it manually

but not on macro

[potent raven]

#showtooltip
/cast [combat] Shadowmeld
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth

[grim jay]

It looks like shadow meld isnt spelled right

[lime edge]

oh

let me try that one

[rotund oak]

are u moving when pressing it?

[potent raven]

You still have to press meld in combat then stealth

[lime edge]

no

wasnt moving

[rotund oak]

iirc melding requires standing still

[potent raven]

And it wont work on boss fights

[rotund oak]

okok cool

[lime edge]

i know

[potent raven]

Or global combat

[lime edge]

its for packs

[potent raven]

Just restealth

U press meld then stealth

And stand still too

[lime edge]

yea thats what the macro does

wdym

[potent raven]

Press the macro then stealth*

[lime edge]

im confused

what

[potent raven]

?

You still have to press stealth

After you meld

To restealth

[lime edge]

i was trying to get the macro to cast stealth

[potent raven]

U cant

U need to manually press it

[lime edge]

oh

[rotund oak]

did u copy past ''ShadowMeld'' or typed it

[lime edge]

i mean it used shadowmeld

my spelling wasnt the problem

im gonna try the non combat thing

[rotund oak]

sometimes it is

sometimes its not

[potent raven]

Nah its just that u cant restealth w a macro

Need to press it separately

[lime edge]

weird

[rotund oak]

thats weird but ok

[balmy condor]

also meld in general

fucking blows

[rotund oak]

i dont have a meld stealth macro btw

never used it

[balmy condor]

cause you don't actually break combat

sometimes it just keeps you locked in combat

for no reason

shit is ass

[potent raven]

Yeah its pretty inconsistent

[lime edge]

hm

[potent raven]

I was combat locked on rlp n couldnt take drake up meld didnt help there

[rotund oak]

btw quick irrelevant question

[balmy condor]

it's such a meme lmao

[lime edge]

should still be better than human no

in m+

[balmy condor]

so many assa rogues go "but mah stealth"

and then go nelf

and can't meld

bozos

[rotund oak]

watching ur vids and all ive realized u like taking photos

u like the art or a hobby?

[balmy condor]

we went in as a wowhead group

specifically with the goal

of taking photos

that was the prio

[rotund oak]

oh cool

[balmy condor]

I just took the opportunity to also record the runs

but like

if you see these articles

the pics gotta come from somewhere

so when alpha pops

there's always mass-photo sessions

in order to get pics to use for articles through beta and the start of next expac

[rotund oak]

hope it gets to beta soon i wanna play it

got beta access from epic version

[subtle tundra]

Meld my balls

[potent raven]

Ic works w. Meld

If u do it right

[balmy condor]

if by that you mean meld->stealth

then yeh

meld alone won't give ic

[potent raven]

Yes

[balmy condor]

a lot of people confuse the two

cause you can just meld mid-boss and get an ambush for example

that doesn't do anything on assa

[strange python]

Why can you meld ambush tho I am so confused by meld

[balmy condor]

think of it like sepsis

sepsis gives you access to a stealth ability

but doesn't give stealth

now in the case of sepsis, they forced it to give imp gar

cause like

would be dogshit otherwise

but like sepsis on sub

the strike you get doesn't teleport you or anything

meld is the same thing

[strange python]

Ohhh shit that makes more sense this is the first explanation that makes sense in my head and I’ve gotten loads of them

[balmy condor]

meld gives you the opportunity to go into true stealth if your combat situation allows for it (m+ trash, not on m+ boss or raid bosses)

and otherwise functions like that fake stealth cast

outlaw used to semi-abuse it for ambush casts for stuff back in the day

but it doesn't do anything of interest

it's only good if, and only if, you can get into actual stealth

at that point it's basically just +1 stealth

[strange python]

Meld is really dogshit is it

[rotund oak]

meld is inconsistent,thats all.It might backfire due to range if u got bleeds running near a target,pulsating dmg n stuff

[balmy condor]

meld is mostly just pvp shit honestly

[rotund oak]

and for keys

coz u get range and press it

kinda safes the skip

[balmy condor]

assa rogues are just fiending for restealths so bad they see anything with "stealth" in it and lose their minds

must be good

[strange python]

True but meld skips were always a bit wonky weren’t they

[balmy condor]

ye

cause meld is just

real jank

[normal mist]

Sometimes maybe good

Sometimes maybe shit

That's my experience with meld

[balmy condor]

yeah

[strange python]

Nightelf banned

[balmy condor]

it's either omega cheese and useful

[strange python]

I am void from now on

[balmy condor]

or completely worthless

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

never in between

[potent raven]

Dwarf or belf

😆

[strange python]

Dwarf ugly is my problem

People hate me for it

[potent raven]

i hate u too

[strange python]

But dwarf is absolutely unplayable for it

For me*

[rotund oak]

Human,Dwarves,Orcs,VE 🤝

[strange python]

I am sorry but I just cannot like small races

I don’t like goblins gnomes vulperas you name it

Smol make character look bad

[rotund oak]

Also Cows

[strange python]

I forgot that exists

I’d rather be a dwarf than that

[rotund oak]

Rly solid man

[strange python]

Racial good but

[rotund oak]

in terms of appearance yeah its not ideal

[strange python]

Big cow only meme transmogs

[rotund oak]

yup

[strange python]

Those are funny

Well of course racial wise dwarf is goated no question

[rotund oak]

sht is illegal

[strange python]

I just cannot take the loss in visuals if I was into keys then sure I‘d do it

But m+ is my arch nemesis if I didn’t have to do it for raid I wouldn’t do it

[rotund oak]

im not into key or raiding rn,mostly pvping

but in general ye

small isnt good

outside gnomes ofc

super op

and mechagnomes coz they got everything,benchcraft,default cheatdeath

stuff like that

[strange python]

I would stop playing wow if I was forced to mechagnome

[marsh zinc]

At least vulpera can enter buildings while mounted

[strange python]

Cool n all but if I gotta swim in dungeons because I am too small and everyone else is just walking

It’s a gg go next angle

[marsh zinc]

Other side flashbacks

Dude just chilling while I'm swimming

[strange python]

Some dungeon last season had that issue too

Was it ataldazar?

On rezan

[royal lantern]

BASED

fuck mandatory m+

[marsh zinc]

Never played vulpera again after DOS

[rotund oak]

vulpera might be the cringiest sht ive ever seen in wow

[royal lantern]

didnt we raid togheter

[balmy condor]

would you stop playing wow if you were forced to || ||

[rotund oak]

[strange python]

Honestly I said I would stop playing but I think I am just gaslighting myself

The amount of times I said I am quitting

[balmy condor]

lying on the internet

unbelievable

[rotund oak]

[strange python]

Impossible how could someone do that

[royal lantern]

i would never lie

[strange python]

The internet would never lie

[rotund oak]

based

[strange python]

Why is this duck sus

[balmy condor]

do not duck

[strange python]

You cannot tell me when to not duck

[royal lantern]

do not the duck

[kind forge]

almost got confused seeing a red Armin

[balmy condor]

almost got me too

[potent raven]

Fake armin

[dark quiver]

nelth trink sims pretty high in dslice, simbait or nah?

[quiet oar]

Its armins alt account, so He can safely play sin without people judging

[potent raven]

lmao

[pseudo hamlet]

It's one of the best passive trinket for M+ for sure, though it's kinda RNG with the proc.

[rotund oak]

armin is a nice guy why judge what ppl play

unless ofc u are into dh

everything has a limit

[slate crown]

Red armin red armin red armin

[autumn raft]

i struggle doing good dps in the brackenhide hill pulls for example

do i just spam rupture or what

2-5 targets i do good but when its like 10 i fall far behind

[spice spire]

Spread your ruptures and garrote and then just hit the envenom button. Maybe at ten you should pop a CT

[autumn raft]

yeah but if shit dies fast the ruptures barely tick

[still creek]

what build are you running?

[royal lantern]

you ST the big trees and keep CT running tbh

the small stuff just dies

and when you have a protagonist spec in the group, you wont do AoE dmg anyway lol

[autumn raft]

can assa top charts on big pulls like that?

[still creek]

Yea, just find the biggest mfker in there, keep caustic spatter on him and just FoK -> Envenom spam tbh

[autumn raft]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/dragonflight-talent-calculator#4--259$afg1hijkl0mmnoq1r1stuvzAADEFFG0HI0JLM+acddefghijlmnooquvvwyzAEFGHJ1K0L*

this build

dont have 4 set yet idk how big diff it makes

[still creek]

ive beat destro locks and spriest in those pulls several times, but as assa you just need stuff to last abit for full KB value

[royal lantern]

if stuff dies fast, no

assa wants stuff to stay alive for some time

and everyone else just nukes them down in 10seconds

[autumn raft]

also dont remember how much offhand matters, i guess its still minimal dmg output from a 424 to 509 right

[royal lantern]

offhand has like

almost 0 value

its mostly a secondary statstick

or using things like Nick of Time that have additonal dmg procs

[autumn raft]

but i read that rupture and garrote has smart targeting, still gotta swap targets right

[royal lantern]

yes

smart targeting rupture/garrote ist for IC

not by itself lol

[autumn raft]

yeah i mean for IC

[polar timber]

was caustic always capped to 5

[autumn raft]

i mean can you spam garrote into 1 target with IC and it spreads to 10 for example

[regal solar]

Hey, i don't know if it's the right channel to ask, but i find hard to track who have garrote and rupture in IC, is there a WA or something to help ? maybe plater can do that ?

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

You might find your answer in one of those @regal solar

[regal solar]

Oh thanks gonna check

[still creek]

yea, if theyre in IC range ofc. Only difference is that you will garrote 2 mobs instead of 3

*2 other mobs, that is

[normal mist]

I don't personally use any of those so I can't point you in a straight answer, :c

[regal solar]

I tried the pooling practice tool, and i only learn now that Thistle tea give mastery ahah

[marsh zinc]

Imagine how good and bad it would be

[normal mist]

Boy oh boy xD

[regal solar]

So to AoE, i need to garrot rupture all with IC, CT once and then Caustic all adds ?

[alpine juniper]

I am debating dropping SV Hunter because blizz forgot they existed. How is Sin rogue doing?

[normal mist]

In raid? Pretty good.
In m+? Pretty good.

In our hearts?

The best.

[alpine juniper]

The only downside is I hate having to track envenom and tempest at the same time. Is that still a thing in aoe?

[normal mist]

I mean you want to put CT up and refresh it is but it isn't a big deal

[neat plank]

I just have a big Envenom WA icon under my character with the time remaining so it takes almost no brain power to track

[normal mist]

That's a way to do it

A simple one actually

A reminder to the old schools that I still play with TMW addon and no rogue WAs

[alpine juniper]

It's really tracking CT & Envenom and maintaining both is annoying since you have tons of other bleeds to manage. In S3 there were builds that didn't take CT And those felt fun

[normal mist]

I played the cleave one

With no CT

Pretty much played it all season up to 2800

[regal solar]

Soon i'll be 2800, i'm at 145 atm let's blast

[alpine juniper]

I did too, got to 3k, but I also got to 3k on every class last season lol

3k was free last season.

[normal mist]

I only farmed the 20s for portals and stopped

I feel no gratification in playing above the reward tracks

I hate m+

[alpine juniper]

I feel you, I typically do just 20s but decided that since no one has ever gotten every class to 3k that I would do it and be the first.

[normal mist]

Lots of respect my man

Up you go

[regal solar]

i only did 1300 max in df 🥲

[normal mist]

Skill or time issues?

[regal solar]

I just hate MM+

And skill issue, at a certain level of key ofc

[normal mist]

Same. I do it because it speeds up the gearing process

[alpine juniper]

I'm regretting not doing the weekly on my rogue. I sat her for season 4 but with SV so bad right now...

[normal mist]

It's fine

Season isn't going anywhere soon (oh wait remix is coming)

[surreal vale]

Its boring with out a season afix i think

[normal mist]

I see, you like to see the world burn

[strange python]

Depends I hate m+ with a passion but encrypted I’ll take as an affix every day of the week

I kill a mob that gives count and also buffs me? Hell yea

[neat plank]

if I hated m+ Im not sure I'd even bother playing 🙂 raids just arent enough content for an entire week

and in m+ I have a stronger sense of class identity, in raids Im just one dps, my class doesnt even matter

[normal mist]

It happened 1/2 times total right?

An affix where you'd gain power

[strange python]

Of course it’s very hit or miss

[grim jay]

You could raid and play other games in the meantime

[strange python]

Just saying it can be very fun

[normal mist]

I loved the season

[neat plank]

I have to go all in on 1 game at a time, cant divide interest for some reason 😝

[normal mist]

Where we'd kill demons for stats

That was fucking amazing

SL season.....

2?3?

[earnest remnant]

4

[normal mist]

That was an awesome season

[neat plank]

Its either obsession or nothing for me, and when the fire burns out Im done

[grim jay]

Couldnt do that

I always play atleast 2 games

[neat plank]

What are you playing atm

[grim jay]

WoW, BDO and sometimes r6 for the shooter urge

[spice surge]

V rising goodge

[neat plank]

🙂

[normal mist]

I'm actually feeling the itch to play monster hunter world again

[neat plank]

What does BDO do better than WoW?

[grim jay]

Well, combat and animations

[neat plank]

Combat feels better?

[grim jay]

Its action combat, way more apm than everything in WoW and has a lot of skill expression. Games with that typically struggle with what wow does tho

Good raid/group content

[neat plank]

Are BDO rotations simpler?

[lime edge]

Depends on the class

Some no some yes

[neat plank]

Im tired of WoW ritation simulator, doesnt even feel like a class

[lime edge]

There's big variance

[grim jay]

Well

Depends on what you do I guess

[silk dirge]

In reviewing my logs, it seems that my envenom's are hitting for roughly 100K less than other rogues (325K vs. 425K). Any thoughts as to why my envenoms are hitting for so much lower on average?

[grim jay]

Many endgame classes have rotations of like 15 skills with animation cancels, back attack conditions and often more dodging/being mindful of enemies than wow m+

[haughty flicker]

and some are two buttons

succ lahn go brrr

high variance

[neat plank]

Im a 2 button enjoyer

[grim jay]

But bdo is an insane grind

[neat plank]

BS BS Evis, dream rotation vanilla ass rogue

[haughty flicker]

bdo combat and visuals are really good

but the rest of the game

[grim jay]

It got better but you still run in circles hour after hour

[haughty flicker]

i can only enjoy in small doses lmao

[normal mist]

Gear?

Might be an answer

[silk dirge]

I am comparing against same ilvl rogues. But I did not compare stats such as mastery.

[normal mist]

That might also be a factor

[silk dirge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1RfZThNQXPJGKwVF#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=10

My logs. Yes, I know they arent great. That is why I am trying to figure it out. Recently swapped to rogue from DH.

[spice surge]

Well the ones you are comparing to are likely using their deathmark on pull with all their cooldowns

While you are randomly using it without any cooldowns up

Also stop using your dreamcarver on-use

[silk dirge]

Yeah I know the blew the DM on pull. Not sure exactly how I missed it. I typically use it on pull. Working on muscle memory still.

Thank you for the tip on the Dreamcarver!

[pure moth]

If you noticed you didnt pop it on pull. I would wait till it lines up with shadowdance/kingsbane combo so you atleast benefit from it. Our optimal damage is done when things are lined up.

[ashen topaz]

Vault time!!

[keen spruce]

[ashen topaz]

and 3rd bullion item time!!

party time!!!

hmmm

trash

[thorn fjord]

I already have mythic track chest

Love vault day

[royal lantern]

honestly, idk what i can even get from vault

[thorn fjord]

I wanted legs

[royal lantern]

which isnt a generic "item with slightly higher ilvl"

[past bobcat]

Pray for ashes

[royal lantern]

you think i didnt buy that one in week1?

[brazen zodiac]

🥺

[thorn fjord]

Nice

I’ve got a heroic ashes… the mythic one significantly better?

[royal lantern]

i can get a higher cloak i gues?

ye cloak/neck/belt, thats it

and offhand i gues

[strange python]

Vault honestly felt pretty useless after week2

[vestal wren]

socket provider

[cursive frost]

Is it weird ring off brood is simming higher than eranog ring?

[humble ginkgo]

how bad is assa in full crit vers gear

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal wren]

basically, assasisantion wants a mix of stats

so you ideally just want to spread stats

[quiet oar]

It did for me too, but i have very low Mastery

[cursive frost]

Wonder if once I get more stats it’s going to flip flop

Even though I’m already like 520

[thorn fjord]

@vestal wren does the crafted string account for bsl also?

[vestal wren]

there are 2 versions for crafted in the pins in #tc-research

the reduced one, you need to press the small [+] button to add bsl

[thorn fjord]

Does it add in the actual crafted piece as well?

[vestal wren]

basically copy/pasting the string adds all crafted items

but the reduced one does not add the same item with effect

so things like silken, shadowflame, etc need to be added manually by simply pressing the [+] button on the stat variant you want and clicking it

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha i'll just use the long one

Thanks 🙂

[vestal wren]

like this

the full list includes all variations, but raidbots is not designed to deal well with the amount of combinations

so it will lag, but does not require you to use the [+] for bsl or other options

[thorn fjord]

Used my first spark on toxic thorn boots 😑

So ill plop BSL in my wrists this week and just wait it out

[vestal wren]

not the worse, its quite good on outlaw

[thorn fjord]

Yeah that’s why I crafted it

Wasnt expecting the sin buffs tbh

Wish mastery wasn’t useless on OL

[scenic nacelle]

It’s great for cleave on OL

[rotund oak]

one of the loots in GV that makes an impact

not that it matters alot this season,just saving some time

[brazen zodiac]

ye it'd be epic but i bought it week 1 D:

[rotund oak]

got it on normal from raid,im gonna buy the ring now

got kazzara dagger and dreamcarver

so im gucci from daggers

[subtle crown]

Has anyone used earthen writ on one of their weapons with wafting on the other (off hand in my case)? According to sims it was around a 1% increase. Would that likely be due to my mastery being around 38-40%?

[rotund oak]

it would make sense ye

but you can always go with that until u get more mastery loot

[subtle crown]

So wafting will likely still be my go to once mastery is high enough then?

[rotund oak]

wafting for ST yeah

should sim sophic for m+

[past bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jMSvU4CVDYQimVCYUugWLj what are you sin gamers simming for rn

[copper matrix]

yo, is there any plater profile for assa? looking for some kind of color indication on undotted targets

[rotund oak]

!ui

!platter

hmm

[normal mist]

Random ass question

how does one acquire Veteran track gear this season

[shy pecan]

!wa under Cev’s

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

Hc dungeons - adventurer track
M0 - champion

[sick forge]

Do you play 3min on-use like
with Deathmark.
Deathmark without
Hold on-use 1min
With Deathmark or?

[normal mist]

we usually dont

bad interactions with a 2min spec

But i'd put it on KBs since your DM will have Ashes

[past bobcat]

The difference though on 5min sim is very minimal from ashes to fragment tho

[normal mist]

No idea, i rather ask that kind of info to Whispyr

All i know is that grief good, ashes good

[grim jay]

just look at what the sim does

[grim jay]

kill timers are a thing tho

if you have 4 min timers you get a different amount of trinket + DM usages with either

[proven jasper]

Fragment is a 3 min cd iirc so

Already loses value from that

Doesnt line up

Ashes is 2 and you have it with every set of cds

[rotund oak]

ashes+grieftorch is the play

for everything

pretty much

its a comfy state where u can keep up bleeds and send ur big nuke with ashes and send torch before/after ur smol nuke

sin feels amazing

[proven jasper]

Def

[past bobcat]

Ashes and ring are same % upgrade might just send ashes instead of ring and pray heroic or normal or mythic drops

[paper blaze]

if i had to go wit h ashes + a pasive one one should it be? i was simming icon and nelth one and it says nelth its way better in ST and Aoe

[lime edge]

Btw how does sin proc diurnas

[rotund oak]

head enchant

[lime edge]

Oh

That's kinda scuffed no