assassination

[gusty mirage]

enjoy your 30 div

[subtle tundra]

i was spamming maps to finish this

[gusty mirage]

I love how that was one of the last challenges I finished

good challenge

[subtle tundra]

so i can LOG OFF

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile @limber lion 's stanky ass got it early

cause he was farming t17s

[subtle tundra]

better than expected

[quiet oar]

Perfectly balanced 50/50 chance

[vestal wren]

people don't realize how big of a neef the change is

[dark token]

It is a big nerf for 2 dust

But for 1 dust it's fine only -5s

You still get 2 sods in your blades window, especially with inevitability it won't really drop

[woeful meteor]

spreadsheet gaming dead

[hardy dagger]

Aye sub deadge go next

[royal lantern]

i do

but im cautious

cus there is still a chance some really stupid stuff comes up with it

[vestal wren]

its just a general problem, dust only rly worked because of 2 vanish charges

so now, you need to make vanish a budget dance to even get the 2nd charge

and with that you get 20 seconds, something more in line with 1x dust

i don't think anyone knows how much 15 sec dust is compared to 30 secs

so i made a quick sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cQJyQGYgKDA5sBMEZpEY6n

[lime edge]

So when are we getting expedient and exsang back

[gusty mirage]

BFA classic

[lime edge]

I haven't really played much assa since late bfa

Sad

[spice surge]

Tbf the apl gets all funky with it and screws over its trinkets and stuff

But ye its a large nerf to it

[vestal wren]

oh ye absolutely, my point was just to give a rough idea how bad it is

a lot of the dynamic cooldown niche also dies with it being so low (20 sec)

it is why i have a harder time applouding for the change, i found the niche to be interessting

[dark token]

Imagine bfa classic but nzoth corruptions exist the whole time

With the vendor

[gusty mirage]

it'll actually be a top 3 expac

and I'm not even exaggerating

it might be better than legion ngl

[junior aurora]

no you’d also need azerite power to be gone

[gusty mirage]

azerite powers were fine

[dark token]

Imo they should remove dust from sub it's not balanced

[gusty mirage]

the acquisition was still ass

but much better by the end of BFA

[junior aurora]

thats what i mean

[dark token]

And give it to outlaw tree

[junior aurora]

well

[gusty mirage]

idk if outlaw needs anymore CDR

they already have restless

[dark token]

They want it

[gusty mirage]

yeah they want a lot of things

[junior aurora]

actually getting azerite armor first few weeks and you couldnt even use all the rings

[gusty mirage]

and if I've learned anything these last 3-4 days

is outlaw rogues need to stop typing/thinking out loud

[dark token]

You could tune dust to a very light w value for outlaw or adjust what abilities it CDs

It fits the spec very well

[gusty mirage]

[junior aurora]

do they think

[royal lantern]

"i want burst dmg windows but also cdr and constant dmg all the time!!!!"

[gusty mirage]

visual representation of #tww-outlaw

[junior aurora]

i thought it was all stream of consciousness

[vestal wren]

we as a playerbase have the tendency to go on to complain about anything we see as a recent problem in a way to see it as "op"

i don't like to engage in conversations about how something is painfully broken beyond repair

[gusty mirage]

you know it's bad when guy doesn't even bother entertaining it

[royal lantern]

is guy even still alive

[junior aurora]

i dont think dust is op, i just think it overcomplicates things

[gusty mirage]

yes

I spoke to him the other day

[vestal wren]

when its nothing more than a thesis

[gusty mirage]

he's just kinda vibing rn

[vestal wren]

reminder

[gusty mirage]

from personal experimentation, retribution paladin is not okay

[junior aurora]

why do they get to keep their range

[gusty mirage]

anyone banking on ret to survive the way it is in tww

is high

[vestal wren]

some of our community members ended up all up in arms about how broken sub was in s1 too

and how it needs to be nerfed, even tho there was no statistical evidence of it

[royal lantern]

was i one of them

[vestal wren]

subtlety looked op in amirdrassil because it was the perfect showcase of the cdr niche

[royal lantern]

dont remember

[junior aurora]

rh is a funny community in that anytime a rogue spec is actually good it likes to self sabotage

[rigid tartan]

As a wow rogue player since vanilla launch I must say I do enjoy current sub to an extent while struggling to enjoy it as much as current assa but what I really can’t enjoy unfortunately is Outlaw Post bfa. Just speaking from my enjoyment of the gameplay loop

[royal lantern]

we all are shity 1 tricks in digferent Stages of denial

[gusty mirage]

honestly outlaw's "issue" is that it really came to life as a spec in BFA and it was absurdly OP in BFA

[vestal wren]

similar to how a lot of haste based classes looked fucking broken on sark

[gusty mirage]

so that any rework since is going to feel bad if you played it in BFA

because it was so oppressively OP in keys

[junior aurora]

bfa outlaw was so fun

[vestal wren]

(haste based = benefit from haste in multiple ways)

[junior aurora]

gameplay wise even

[gusty mirage]

minus bte being a stun

timely BTE into a sanguine puddle

[junior aurora]

well

[rigid tartan]

You might be onto something there 👍 but wasn’t bfa a bit less focus on procs?

[vestal wren]

a raid with extended execute phases on 3/9 bosses would make warrior and assassination look op

[gusty mirage]

yeah it def played better in BFA

[junior aurora]

bfa was more focus on procs

[gusty mirage]

at least imo

[junior aurora]

all ur damage was from pistol shot procs

[gusty mirage]

it fit the gamba theme w/ RTB well

[vestal wren]

a fight with spread cleave on multiple fights would make the same few classes we see always on top on these fights seem op

[gusty mirage]

I think the moves they've made for outlaw have been super healthy for the spec though

it just needs a little more love in terms of tuning/rebalancing

and inevitably people are gonna nerd rage when things change

[junior aurora]

idk im really not a fan of this subterfuge gameplay it has going on

outlaw requiring stealth feels wrong

[rigid tartan]

Yeah but pistol proc being shiny=> you press it is still easy enough to enjoy it passively imo

[vestal wren]

i do only remember one person always seemingly complain when subtelty was good and asking for nerfs

[gusty mirage]

guy

[vestal wren]

this person did it all 3 season consistently

na its seliathan

[gusty mirage]

oh

tbf seli wasn't even min maxing assa

to complain about sub

grumpy old fart

idk I got to play assa for all of aberrus prog despite "sub being better"

[junior aurora]

sub wasnt like head and shoulders ahead though right

[gusty mirage]

it wasn't

[junior aurora]

like sub sucked on sark

[gusty mirage]

it was like

slightly above assa

they were neck and neck all of 10.1

equally mediocre lmao

[junior aurora]

yeah

rogue looked really good week 1-2 bc of all our power being from s1 gear

[gusty mirage]

and this was w/ the bugged exsang that no one noticed

[vestal wren]

assasination "sucked" because of higher trade offs between aoe and st

[junior aurora]

then fell off a cliff

[lime edge]

Why is outlaw always really good in m+

[junior aurora]

on demand aoe damage, never dies, utility

[gusty mirage]

because it didn't exist prior to legion

and it came to adulthood during bfa

when m+ was new and exciting still

[lime edge]

Yea but like

Bfa was like 6 years ago

So it's been a minute

[gusty mirage]

assa played the same for the last 15 years up until this last rework

[junior aurora]

and outlaw hasnt been good the entire time

[gusty mirage]

outlaw seemed good in SL for a while because rogue was absolutely dogshit

wasn't until s4 SL when they bugfixed the outlaw tier and buffed some shit

until it became "good"

[junior aurora]

even earlier in DF sub was the play imo

[gusty mirage]

people forget how good assa was first month of DF in keys

it was literally just better than outlaw and sub lol

45s exsang

[junior aurora]

yea but then you had to play pre-rework assa in m+ with exsang

[gusty mirage]

it was fine though

cause everything rotated around 45s/1min

meaning you had big damage every single pull for the most part

[rigid tartan]

And the dmg reward was high pre nerfs like in raid as well

[junior aurora]

well

exsang was not okay

[gusty mirage]

first month of DF I had the most fun playing assa

ngl

[grim jay]

Dont we all have big d

[gusty mirage]

and I've been a borderline assa one trick since they removed shuriken combo

[junior aurora]

45s cd that you still took when it got moved to 3m lol

[gusty mirage]

ye I mean it was obscenely strong

and we knew it

and we said it

[vestal wren]

it wasn't in s2

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

GRARGHJGHH EXSANG GRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAHHH

[grim jay]

They should bring it back as baseline in a nerfed version

[gusty mirage]

I remember week 1 of doing keys w/ 45s exsang

and I was like nah man

no shot this stays

it's TOO good

[junior aurora]

wonder how many other short cds that exist that you would still take if they had a 4x longer cd

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-i-member-south-park-s20e1-member-berries-member-gif-20603952

[vestal wren]

i somehow forgot

45 sec exsang

[subtle tundra]

We actually had st, didn't need to use our main st CD in aoe to do any dps

😕

God forbid I hold dm and kb cause boss is up next

[junior aurora]

lol tank damage

[subtle tundra]

Cause I be fighting tank

Literally choose my poison

[junior aurora]

also not having cds on pull for bosses as assa feels terrible

[subtle tundra]

Tank st or tank aoe

[junior aurora]

assa st in keys kinda blows rn tho

[subtle tundra]

God forbid there isnt a high hp mob

[grim jay]

Idk sin damage without CDs in packs is still better than sub

[gusty mirage]

yeah its not great

[subtle tundra]

Cause half my kb is going into the air

[gusty mirage]

tbf I think with KB stacks being capped in tww

it'll allow for a healthier balance of damage

[junior aurora]

assa feels unplayable below like 12

i tried playing outlaw tho to compensate and holy hell am i terrible at it

[subtle tundra]

It's basically only a nerf to pi

[junior aurora]

i fought with tanks on st

[manic quartz]

ngl being overgeared for 4-6's boosting mates , sudden demise is kinda funnny

[gusty mirage]

yes and no

in raid, it's a nerf to PI

but in keys it opens up the opportunity for them to buff auxiliary damage

so we're not living and dying by KB

[junior aurora]

hopefully

[subtle tundra]

Well kb did get a compensatory buff

So it didn't really get weaker

[manic quartz]

in tww the new bonespike sounds cool

i like the idea of putting ruptures up with IC and spreading them bones instantly

[subtle tundra]

Probably got stronger when you dont get pi

[gusty mirage]

depends on how the tree looks

if doomblade is still there

you still don't take it

[vestal wren]

i like the change, i am not sure i like all changes to sin

[gusty mirage]

because doomblade fucking sucks

[manic quartz]

yeah i saw the doomblade and was like "why is this here"

[gusty mirage]

doomblade was good in SL

[vestal wren]

but i would put the sin and outlaw changes on the "more positive" site

[gusty mirage]

but we got a version of doomblade without the good part of doomblade lol

[junior aurora]

are we gonna be tab mutilating lol

[vestal wren]

and the sub changes atm on the "waiting for more changes to happen"

[dark token]

Outlaw changes are positive?

Didn't they just get nerfs lol

[grim jay]

Sounds good to me

[junior aurora]

outlaw lost acro and dance dunno if they’re too happy

[gusty mirage]

we're missing the bottom part of the leggo

they didn't lose dance

they have 2 vanish charges, subterfuge is 6s now

how did they lose dance

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

Apparently outlaw without acro is unplayable

[vestal wren]

i think going away from 100% ar uptime is a net positive, tho i am in hot water with that take probably

[subtle tundra]

Or maybe outlaw players need to get out of their asses

[junior aurora]

if you vanish on cd thats just +1 vanish throughout a fight

[dark token]

I mean personally I agree

[subtle tundra]

And stop expecting to be treated like a premium spec

[dark token]

I think outlaw should have less apm also I like the AR changes

[gusty mirage]

this one for sure

[dark token]

But if I was an outlaw player I would see only nerfs here lol

Crackshot worses, uhuh worse, ar worse, no dance

[grim jay]

Idk why apm is a point of concern. Wow in general doesnt really have high apm

[manic quartz]

outlaw nerf are always a positive thing

[junior aurora]

crackshot worse and still mandatory

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-show-pop-copy-why-cause-fuck-em-gif-15886017

[gusty mirage]

how is underhanded worse

[subtle tundra]

Didn't the spec absurd? Permanent ar and shit

Ofc it gets toned down

[gusty mirage]

AR change is "not worse"

it just makes haste not a dead stat for outlaw

oh no

now we can't just stack 2 stats into -20% DR

[vestal wren]

wait, sub without acro is unplayable too!

[gusty mirage]

whatever will we do

[vestal wren]

(i am joking btw.)

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

if people think UHUH is "worse" in TWW they very clearly don't know how to read

[vestal wren]

if acro enabled something, it is very likely to bring a convincing argument to the dev team

[gusty mirage]

"no longer grants 3s of subterfuge"

subterfuge is 6s now

so okay

"no longer affects snd"

you get cut to the chase baseline

ok

[vestal wren]

e.g. i think i might be able to bring the argument to reduce storm costs to rely less on sht procs in cleave/aoe

[dark token]

They lost dance because 2 vanish charges is cdr on only one spell vs previously dance would cdr seperately and they had nightstalker

[vestal wren]

does not mean realz or the dev team consider it true

[dark token]

Nightstalker is remove now right?

[gusty mirage]

yes nightstalker is gone

[grim jay]

Sadly

[gusty mirage]

"sadly"

lol

[junior aurora]

Good riddance

[dark token]

I liked it on all 3 specs

Added some burst

I think dance windows should be bursty

[grim jay]

I didnt mind it. I also am a dust enjoyer tho

[junior aurora]

vanishing at the end of kingsbane

[dark token]

Sin also has some interesting dot snapshot behavior

At least with old sepsis

[junior aurora]

tho we prob still do that if we take MA

[dark token]

Less so now

[grim jay]

Yeah just not at the end

[subtle tundra]

I enjoyed trying shadow dance when it wasnt tied to kb

[junior aurora]

no you’d still want the last 2 ticks to crit

[subtle tundra]

For m+, too bad it was dogshit tuned

[dark token]

Just macro it to KB and forget

[grim jay]

Yeah but it lasts longer

[dark token]

If u want to use it for bleeds in keys send the KB but focus on spreading bleeds instead

[junior aurora]

oh yeah i guess

[vestal wren]

i wouldn't mind it on the sub tree

[junior aurora]

just vanish at the shiv timing

Yeah but then its just another node that says “shadow dance increases damage by x%”

[gusty mirage]

I think the funniest thing about outlaw rogues throwing temper tantrums

is for 2 seasons now

their baseline dps has been the highest of the 3 specs

and they're shocked they're getting a bit of a nerf

[vestal wren]

to be fair, they got a big buff to their cleave

[gusty mirage]

not to mention things WILL be tweaked to compensate for the nighstalker loss

[royal lantern]

dont worry, they will just go into DAE TARGET CAPS??????? otherwhise then oxi

[vestal wren]

it is why you see outlaw played in top keys still

[grim jay]

Are you sure tho

[gusty mirage]

I'm about as sure as the people dooming

how about that

[grim jay]

Sounds about right

[junior aurora]

i mean if we suck bc no nightstalker we’ll get a buff

and that will be compensation lol

[gusty mirage]

exactly

lol

idk why people are freaking the fuck out

about ALPHA CHANGES

as if that's it, it's going live as is

surely ZERO changes

[junior aurora]

only thing to raise questions about are the hero talents

but theyve said they’re working on that

[gusty mirage]

rogue has already gotten more changes in TWW alpha than it did in the entire pre-launch cycle of SL

[subtle tundra]

Isn't outlaws gameplay loop extremely excessive? That can't be healthy in the long game

[haughty flicker]

when i brought up that there will be changes i was told that "they can only comment on what they can see", which apparently means spending hours complaining about the same thing

[grim jay]

I always look at alpha changes from an enjoyment perspective, everything else is whatever

[gusty mirage]

same

[past bobcat]

What would make it best if they made stats good for all rogue specs so you can legit just swap specs whenever you wanted

[gusty mirage]

I think the changes can be interesting

[subtle tundra]

They have a lot of rtb buffs, active for a long amount of time, a lot of cp generation from procs etc?

[gusty mirage]

I'll keep my pitchfork in the closet until we get closer to launch

and I get to play with this shit

[subtle tundra]

Idk shit about outlaw but that's what I understand

[junior aurora]

its ok oxi you’ll be a paladin and ill be a mage if things are bad

[haughty flicker]

im already a paladin dw

[gusty mirage]

there's like a 20% chance I play TWW at all

tbh

my guild might be done done as well

so

[subtle tundra]

Pally ganggggg

[haughty flicker]

deathstalker will save me from maining pally surely

[gusty mirage]

I don't like going through the recruitment process

[grim jay]

Im already preparing my WW for disappointment. My DK is geared anyways tho

WW is just cursed

Always

[grim jay]

Its not that bad and we need you playing

[keen spruce]

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

[vestal wren]

most of the negativity is just very reactional

[haughty flicker]

yeah just put lfg in trade chat

recruitment process is ez

[gusty mirage]

well if < Stay Mad > Area 52 is no longer

then I'm also no longer

[vestal wren]

bigger changes always come in baches and the first iteration always has rough edges

remember, subtelty tree was a monstrosity early on

[gusty mirage]

oh god

it was SO bad

still needs a lot of love imo

[vestal wren]

and the spec still ended up rly good in general

ofc many of the initial problems in the tree still exist

but there is only limited time devs can use to fix one spec

[subtle tundra]

Only reason I'm still playing is that I'm comfy in my guild

Been the longest in the guild

[shy pecan]

Halp?

[vestal wren]

i am curios how many guilds get killed by s4

[keen spruce]

hap

[haughty flicker]

hap

[rotund oak]

[vestal wren]

i am not saying its bad, but i am not sure if there is much long term motivation to play it

[junior aurora]

mop thing should keep things alive a bit longer

[haughty flicker]

i wont lie im a little worried i'll find out at the end of s4 that half my guild isnt coming back

since we arent raiding s4

[junior aurora]

oh thats a mistake usually

once the regular raiding stops its over for a lot of people

[past bobcat]

We are doing one day only just to scratch the itch lol

[haughty flicker]

i wanted to raid ye

[past bobcat]

Until TWW

[junior aurora]

people get their nights back or move on from wow and things

[vestal wren]

we continue as usual

[haughty flicker]

but we even stopped a couple weeks earlier s3 because we werent making progress on tindral

[vestal wren]

had a lot of fun last raid

[haughty flicker]

so its not looking good

[junior aurora]

yeah unfortunately probably deadge

[vestal wren]

i had a 100%tile log on a fight i died

in mythic

(in my item level bracket, because i was the only one)

[junior aurora]

big we take those

just crop the SS to not show its ilvl

[vestal wren]

i need to 😅 a bit

because you look so much worse

with akaaris soul damage seperated

[gusty mirage]

yeah an extended period break like this is bound to cause some guilds to just say fuck it and quit

[orchid haven]

Yo fellows, what would you consider the 3 first bullions buy when you're equally playing M+ and raiding ? Thanks in advance, kinda lost

[normal mist]

Ashes trinket

Grief torch

[junior aurora]

not sure much would change with another few months of s3 instead either tho

[vestal wren]

ashes, torch, weapon/eranog ring

[normal mist]

Eranogg ring

[vestal wren]

usually

[junior aurora]

just kinda a shitty situation with not having a tier 4

[vestal wren]

we have remix soon ^^

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/djcat-funny-cat-remix-party-gif-21878975

[orchid haven]

Ashes and torch are good enough even in M+ ?

[shy pecan]

Yes

[vestal wren]

i did sit most of suturday writing the wowhead coverage

for subtlety

[shy pecan]

Pins cover a lot of bullion discussion

[spice spire]

Tldr ty

[vestal wren]

i could add a tl;dr function to moroes

[junior aurora]

pin coin

[spice spire]

“Read the pins bozo”

[vestal wren]

haha, think that would be a bit too mcuh of a meme

[spice spire]

Too much of a meme is my middle name

[junior aurora]

thats a long name

[spice spire]

Family name

[rotund oak]

bro,ive got a question

nothing srs

Who is Ed?

[spice spire]

@shy pecan

Young Edward as the kids call him

[rotund oak]

[shy pecan]

[rotund oak]

why would you hate someone though

what did the man do

[royal lantern]

not posting enough george pics

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

hideous crime

[shy pecan]

This

[spice spire]

He cycled with drake haven

That was enough for me

[junior aurora]

my playgroup did not fuck with nekusar when i would cycle their decks

[glass root]

YO

I KNOW YOU

[junior aurora]

maybe

[rotund oak]

man was drunk and it was xmas

and what happens in vegas stays in vegas

[junior aurora]

but idk if i know you lol

[shy pecan]

I need to add something to the deck so I don’t deck myself cycling everything

[glass root]

you do bro we do keys

[normal mist]

Damn

[glass root]

i mean you stopped playing but yeah.

[potent raven]

hello bros

[normal mist]

Hello bro

[junior aurora]

im confused

[royal lantern]

hello

[normal mist]

Confusion was really effective

[junior aurora]

ive done keys with the same 4-5 people since bfa lmao

[glass root]

or maby i dont know you ? and im wrong

Wait

[junior aurora]

im on wyrmrest accord if that helps

[glass root]

im sure i did a keywith you

[junior aurora]

maybe a few in a pug?

[rotund oak]

[keen spruce]

[glass root]

no i think i have you on my BNET

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

plot thickens

[normal mist]

[rotund oak]

[junior aurora]

what is ur bnet

bc i can tell you if you do or not

[spice spire]

DN pal

[shy pecan]

[glass root]

Joliya

[junior aurora]

definitely not

[glass root]

Gimme your btag

i can search

[keen spruce]

git rekt

[junior aurora]

its nataclise

[kind forge]

[junior aurora]

not ryolith at all lol

[glass root]

Okay i dont have u

i was mistaken

[junior aurora]

carry on

[keen spruce]

sub players

[rotund oak]

plz continue

[glass root]

then why do i know you...

[junior aurora]

maybe a pug key

[rotund oak]

[keen spruce]

maybe u don't know them

[quiet oar]

my wayward son?

[keen spruce]

EAT MY CHEESE WHEN YOU ARE GOONNNNEEE ♫

[rotund oak]

leave Kansas out of this

[normal mist]

Weird way to say you want to know him

[kind forge]

There′ll be peace when you are done

[keen spruce]

PUT THAT DAIRY IN MY CHEST ♫

[junior aurora]

huhh

[keen spruce]

NOW I WANT SOME MORE ♫

[kind forge]

[keen spruce]

[quiet oar]

Coulve been us

But im no astronaut

[normal mist]

Guys

I'm working indoors

And I still have rain dropping on my head

[haughty flicker]

That’s not indoors

[junior aurora]

u working from the urinal or something

and yeah the moment the rain gets inside the house is when it changes from indoors to outdoors

[normal mist]

Guys

I'm working outdoors

[haughty flicker]

Nice

[normal mist]

Fking factory

They promised to fix the roof problems years ago

[junior aurora]

they are making what at that factory??

[kind forge]

[normal mist]

Huge ass machines related to wood work

[haughty flicker]

They make roofing

[limber lion]

Heheh

[nimble zinc]

ayoo - what are the 2 best trinkets for sin rogue this season?

[normal mist]

Check the pins

All the info you need is there

[haughty flicker]

Not all

They don’t tell me where my dad went

[junior aurora]

he told you you just didnt listen

[quiet oar]

gettin some milk

[gusty mirage]

I'm right here

I've missed you son

[haughty flicker]

That makes the missed chance to hold hands even worse

[clever sapphire]

ashes and grieftorch

[nimble zinc]

Kk that’s what I thought

Also are we running silken lining for mastery now that toxic footwraps are poopoo ?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[solar laurel]

guys whats the minimum Haste require?

[pliant terrace]

I thought double on use would feel like shit but it's actually nice how grieftorch is ready to use right at the end of your opener

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[normal mist]

Tldr there are no minimums

Just sim the gear you have

[solar laurel]

thanks alot ^^

[errant swallow]

Hello fellow assassins

[normal mist]

Hellow

[spice spire]

Hi

[quiet oar]

Hellow everybunny :3

[junior aurora]

meowdy

[marble hemlock]

meowdy fwiend, hope you had a good day~~~ OwO

[nimble zinc]

with grieftoch - i'm assuming we use it outside our KB window right? like on some classes i start with grieftorch on pull but on sin rogue i wanna wait until after my full bleeds/poison/kb window is up

[spice spire]

Yes - depends on other trinket

But most of the time he’s

[marble hemlock]

wowie hes just ignoring me

[nimble zinc]

yeah i figured my other trinket would be ashes.

pop ashes before my kb window. grieftorch after

since theres usually 20 sec between trinkets

[marble hemlock]

you kinda wanna use ashes like 3-4sec into KB

not before

[nimble zinc]

that makes sense.

[spice spire]

That changed apparently

[oblique jackal]

Are there builds for M+ that don’t use KB? Everything dies way too fast

[marble hemlock]

oh did it?

[spice spire]

And you just launch with dm

[nimble zinc]

push higher M+

[oblique jackal]

Hahahha

[marble hemlock]

nice

the amount of times i forgor

[oblique jackal]

Fair

[marble hemlock]

to use ashes

definitely happened once or twice

[spice spire]

That’s what @balmy condor said before I could be lit - 99% sure oxi said the same thing and he was like “oh yeah that’s irrelevant now”

[marble hemlock]

im still upset you didnt respond to my friendly greeting

[spice spire]

Purposeful

[lime edge]

Maybe I play some assa again

[nimble zinc]

it kicks ass, 10/10 recommend

[lime edge]

I do m+

Primarily

Barely raid

[cinder grove]

What level of key is considered high enough for the cleave build to take over in M+ ?

[keen spruce]

ain't nobody got time for that

[gusty mirage]

yes & no

it's still more damage to wait 2-3s into KB to use ashes

but it's also not enough damage that people would notice

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

new week new favorite emote?

[spice spire]

New day

[lime edge]

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire what are you getting me for my birthday

[spice spire]

I was about to send the darkest possible joke

Then decided not to

[gusty mirage]

do it pussy

you won't

[lime edge]

Can u shadow meld into stealth while in combat

No, right?

[spice spire]

I’m just gonna mute @wild lantern for a day

[marble hemlock]

fair

[gusty mirage]

you can on trash, not bosses

[spice spire]

Irl

[marble hemlock]

how do you feel about quake ignoring my super friendly greeting?

[lime edge]

Oh wtf

Really

Wait

Then

Why am I not night elf

[wild lantern]

I didn't do anything yet tho

[lime edge]

How is that not op

Am I dumb

[spice spire]

Read above

[dawn karma]

Hey y'all, So I got my four-set back, and my AOE is slightly broken, but my single target is lacking in sustained damage (Great burst though). Does anyone have a build they wouldn't mind sharing that does well in both? Or is this typical of assassination?

[gusty mirage]

honestly you probably deserved it

[nimble zinc]

i'm still using the same talent trees from s3

since our tier bonus did not change

[wild lantern]

I did nothing to deserve bullying today

[nimble zinc]

ST is about maximing your KB window, mainting all your bleeds/poisons on target

[spice spire]

Mf wants me to ignore the last 4 years

But also hope the day gets better homie

[dawn karma]

Doing my best, but I'm sure I'm slipping here and there.

[wild lantern]

I specified today didn't I

[dawn karma]

refresh garotte last second after an improved garotte to not overwrite the extra damage and such.

[gusty mirage]

you have to forgive him, he's from the south, they can't read

[gusty mirage]

You'll get it with practice, don't sweat it too much

[marble hemlock]

gonna cry myself to sleep now

[gusty mirage]

wait you don't do that all the time? have I been living my life incorrectly?

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/YTHX2cL.png

i thought i was perfectly nice and kind with this one

[storm forum]

Meowdy

[gusty mirage]

also if it makes you feel better I called eleem, stealthi, and fuu legendary and only fuu appreciated my compliment

the nords ignored me

[quiet oar]

Moewdy Seli, i hope you have a wonderful day uWu:3

[marble hemlock]

thanks, you too

[gusty mirage]

friendship with raccoon man and raichu ended, now fuu is my best friend

[marble hemlock]

theyre too busy

its fine

[gusty mirage]

everyone seems to be these days

[wild lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[gusty mirage]

hope you're having a wonderful monday jez

even if you are a crazy person, I still love you

[marble hemlock]

do you?

seems a bit much

dont you think

[gusty mirage]

ofc

Jez lets me verbally abuse her

and I put up with her shitposting memes from ifunny.co

perfectly balanced

[spice spire]

📸

[marble hemlock]

tbf most of those memes are worth it

[gusty mirage]

you seem to be the only person who believes that to be true

[marble hemlock]

but i might be a weirdo with similar taste as that walking warcrime

[spice spire]

Boomer ass

[marble hemlock]

i barely know her

[spice spire]

Man

[gusty mirage]

quake doesn't even know when my birthday is

[spice spire]

You gotta respect the bit

[gusty mirage]

and he says he's my friend

wild

[spice spire]

Don’t half ass it

Isn’t it next Monday?

[gusty mirage]

wow

[marble hemlock]

wait is it today?

[gusty mirage]

no

to both

[marble hemlock]

good

now i thought i missed it

i still dont know when it is tho

so ill still miss it

but thats a worry for another day

[gusty mirage]

I wonder if @wild lantern knows

I should change jez's name

there

that's more appropriate

[wild lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-smile-hungry-feed-me-gif-10862144

[gusty mirage]

[wild lantern]

and ily too boo ❤️ it's very hectic but it's getting better slowly

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage my ass was two days off

Wasn’t it

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/i-prefer-not-to-speak-jose-mourinho-tottenham-gif-19801391

[spice spire]

Yeah I fucked up tho

Should know that without consulting the calendar

[gusty mirage]

its okay I have a surprise dinner I'm not supposed to know about on saturday

[spice spire]

Ruined of fun

Ngl probably nothing Saturday. Mom’s first full day home

[junior aurora]

happy birthday oxi

22?

[gusty mirage]

close

(not even remotely close)

[subtle tundra]

happy birthday

32

baaaaaaaaaabe

[marble hemlock]

oxi

stop baiting

just say the number

and then block anybody who forgets

[gusty mirage]

stop baiting what

[marble hemlock]

whens your bday sweetiepie

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

saturday

[marble hemlock]

oke :3

[marble hemlock]

i hope i remember but im notoriously bad with bdays

i forgot my own half the time

[gusty mirage]

"stop baiting"

[marble hemlock]

i mean

that might just be

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

saturday cuz weekend

when your bday is during the week

[royal lantern]

hey, you dont know WHAT you actually get for dinner

thats the suprise

[gusty mirage]

true, I don't know where I'm going for dinner

[marble hemlock]

we used to do bday parties or celebrations on the weekend even if the bday was on a tuesday

[gusty mirage]

just that I'm getting dinner apparently

[marble hemlock]

so i didnt know

[gusty mirage]

I don't think I've ever celebrated my birthday on the actual day in my entire life

so I forgive you

my brother's birthday is May 15th, so my parents would just always have 2 cakes at his birthday

lol

when I got old enough to celebrate my own birthday, I just never cared to

I'm bad at getting gifts

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble hemlock]

same

[marble hemlock]

but youre the gift that keeps on giving so dont worry too much about it

[gusty mirage]

thanks man

I'm sure many people would disagree with you

[vestal wren]

happy 35th birthday, why celebrate this week when you had birthday last week?

[gusty mirage]

but I appreciate it

[subtle tundra]

i like to think my birthday gifts are good

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

yeah well fuck those people

[vestal wren]

don't worry, 35 is closer to 40 than 30

hope that makes you feel better

[subtle tundra]

DONT LISTEN TO FUU

YOURE 25

!

[gusty mirage]

mentally I'm like 11

so it averages out to about 25

[vestal wren]

we stop aging at ~20

mentally

[gusty mirage]

once I got gray hair I stopped counting

so I stopped counting at 17

[vestal wren]

you can enjoy legos and dino nuggies at any age

[subtle tundra]

i cant wait to bald

! ! !

though i do rock the buzz cut

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

why do dino nuggies taste better than regular nuggies

[vestal wren]

good question

[marble hemlock]

cause theyre made from dinosaurs, obviously

its why kids meals are so tasty

[junior aurora]

one year my mom took me out for a birthday dinner in july

(my bday is in january)

[gusty mirage]

ayo free dinner?

pog

[junior aurora]

we sat down and she said this is ur bday dinner

i was like 12 lol

[earnest remnant]

i slept through 70% of my birthday

honestly best birthday in a while

[grand trail]

Btw are the changes in sims or not implemented yed

yet

[rigid tartan]

Yo just checked overall statistics for this week. We back on top 5

[gusty mirage]

which ones

[grand trail]

the buff 6%

[gusty mirage]

yes

it goes live on NA reset

[grand trail]

cool cool

[nimble zinc]

also quick Q: are we better with 2x sophic on weapons, or 1 sophic / 1 wafting (haste)?

[junior aurora]

2x wafting usually

[nimble zinc]

i did 2x sophic last season but wasnt sure if that was still the standard

[gusty mirage]

either way it's kinda whatever, wafting wins because secondaries get stronger the more ilvl we have

but if you already spent the gold on sophic, you can use that

[earnest remnant]

do i mix match some assa gear for next reclear

to spice things up or do i not care

[gusty mirage]

wdym some assa gear

[earnest remnant]

im fully vers/mast

[gusty mirage]

wafting enchants + crit phial

ggs

good enough

[lime edge]

Is assa s tier now in m+

[gusty mirage]

buzzing runes

[earnest remnant]

probably right

[lime edge]

6% login

[subtle tundra]

its solid A(ss) tier

[gusty mirage]

I'll show you a solid ass bud (I do squats and walking lunges)

[lime edge]

[gusty mirage]

yo I had a dream last night they deleted PI

imagine waking up to the cruel reality that I dreamt about wow

LMAO

[earnest remnant]

i dreamt about lost ark

[fresh kelp]

For those playing mop remix, you going rogue or trying something else?

[junior aurora]

wish blizzard would stop dying on the hill that is Pi

Im playing paladin for mop remix

[gusty mirage]

from the numbers I've seen floated around, if you want to do damage

play literally anything other than rogue

I think boomkin is particularly broken in mop remix

[junior aurora]

the numbers cant be worse than the ones i pulled in that outlaw dungeon i did yesterday

[gusty mirage]

DH supposed to be giga strong

and probably a lot more fun than boomkin

plus you won't get abused for being a boomkin

[indigo epoch]

Wait what? Thought buff was already live.

[slate crown]

Isn't mop remix just leveling?

[proven jasper]

i was just planning to play rogue for that

[slate crown]

why does damage even matter

[proven jasper]

I thought it was for mogs

tbh

[junior aurora]

theres heroic raids at max level

dunno how hard they’re gonna be tho

[gusty mirage]

ye it is, I was just letting him know that when the reset happens after a buff is announced it updates in simc

cause simc pulls spell data

[indigo epoch]

I'm dumb. Carry on.

[gusty mirage]

nah I worded it poorly

you're not dumb

[indigo epoch]

🫡

[gusty mirage]

DON'T TALK ABOUT YOURSELF LIKE THAT

[junior aurora]

if theres one thing my father taught me oxi

[gusty mirage]

[junior aurora]

its never admit fault

always double down

[earnest remnant]

you are wrong

[gusty mirage]

that is my advice to clients when talking to the cops

[junior aurora]

i didnt say he was a good person stealthi

[gusty mirage]

"When speaking to the police, shut the fuck up"

[earnest remnant]

oh is it?

tell them to run as well

works wonders

[gusty mirage]

No

just shut the fuck up

[slate crown]

stfu friday

[junior aurora]

tell them to have their will in order

[gusty mirage]

nothing you ever say to a police officer will ever make your situation better

their job is to arrest someone for a crime

[earnest remnant]

want a neat trick to escape cop cars in denmark?

[gusty mirage]

you offering free evidence is bad

[earnest remnant]

what key level do i need to do for weeklies?

[slate crown]

0

can be any keys or just M0

Oh you mean for vault?

[earnest remnant]

its for vault lis

i havent played this week at all

[slate crown]

uhh

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1233411543421681724/rl7mgpak53rc1.webp

[junior aurora]

8

[slate crown]

8+

[junior aurora]

Gets you myth track

[slate crown]

Go get yer bunyons

[earnest remnant]

welp im out here getting declined for +8 looks like imma have to put this on hold

[oblique jackal]

Dude I feel that so hard

I legit don’t play anymore unless my family is on. Wasting so much time getting declined

[earnest remnant]

i feel descrimated against

signed up to a group where the group leader is a fellow rogue

and he declined me

[oblique jackal]

Ooof

[earnest remnant]

imma find out his discord tag

and ban him

[oblique jackal]

You won’t do it

[strange python]

when do we hit ashes during opener?

[clever sapphire]

relatable, tried to do 1 key before raid. Started 1 hour before raid, after 30 minutes 1 invite, just to get kicked with the message that they dont want assa rogues

[split cipher]

bind it to KB

[potent raven]

We can do my 10rlp

[clever sapphire]

bind it to dm and its perfect for keys also

[strange python]

okay bet. just was wondering if we should treat it like our vanish since the trink decays but i guess that is a lot of main stat regardless haha

[lime edge]

Yo does the quest for 2 bullions go away

Do we know

[junior aurora]

it will uea

its the weekly quest

so get ur 4 mythics done

[lime edge]

It's a weekly?

So are we getting 2 more next week

[junior aurora]

No

[lime edge]

Uh

[junior aurora]

Its the weekly dungeon quest, on the rotation with like arena skirmishes/pet battles/timewalking

[lime edge]

Would it go away even after accepting it

[junior aurora]

Yes

[lime edge]

Fk

[slate crown]

Get em done

[proven jasper]

4 0’s takes like 20 mins

Fr

[slate crown]

yeah you can just focus on M0s

[lime edge]

I have no gear on my assa

I wish it took 20mins

[slate crown]

Do you have whelp crests?

[junior aurora]

become friends with a tank or a healer

[slate crown]

You can craft 486s with whelp crests

[junior aurora]

or just start your own group

[slate crown]

without any sparks

[lime edge]

I might have some

[silk bane]

sick, i can RP in mop reminx like its live retail then! cant wait for rogue

[lime edge]

We'll see

[slate crown]

30 whelp crests per piece of gear (+ mats and such)

doesn't take flightstones

[clever sapphire]

guys does anyone here know why the blizzard friend popups are in the middle of my feckin screen

[lime edge]

Does assa not craft a neck

[junior aurora]

you can if you want

[slate crown]

bug

[clever sapphire]

well thats a given, better question, any way to fix it

[slate crown]

If you're at the "no gear" stage, doesn't matter, craft where you have gaps

[clever sapphire]

or do just remove all my friends

[lime edge]

Wait

I just figured out a hack

I swap to outlaw and get into groups instantly

[slate crown]

this is the way

[lime edge]

Truee

[junior aurora]

if you think that will work go ahead

[lime edge]

And then after weekly done

Go back to assa

Holyy

[clever sapphire]

tried it once, tank left after he checked my raider io and realised i dont do outlaw keys

[slate crown]

What key level to people start having this mentality

to check such things

[clever sapphire]

+2

[slate crown]

because that's mental to me to care

jfc

at anything under a 10 like wtf are you doing

[clever sapphire]

i dunno people are cringe

you also cant really do a key without a spriest in them

people just see it as a NEED

[junior aurora]

spriest sucks until high keys lol

[lime edge]

But s priest is bad

[quiet oar]

I need meta comb for +8

[lime edge]

In low

Yea

[junior aurora]

but so does rogue so we’re all clowns

[clever sapphire]

i wouldnt even take an spriest in a low key

because they are probably fotm

and i dont want any fotm priest in my keys

[silk bane]

jokes on them, im gonna see if i can make something work with sin/sp/aug

[quiet oar]

well doesnt the same apply to sin

[silk bane]

im gonna just stack mast vers though

[junior aurora]

yea sin is unplayable almost

[silk bane]

or imma get one shot

[lime edge]

If ur tank pulls the whole dungeon, unholy is good in low keys

[errant swallow]

!torch

[lime edge]

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[errant swallow]

When are you guys using torch?

[junior aurora]

sin st is not great in keys and on aoe in a low key good luck keeping up with a real spec

[junior aurora]

On cd

[clever sapphire]

after opener

[errant swallow]

After opener?

[junior aurora]

Yea

[errant swallow]

Perfect, thanks.

[clever sapphire]

ashes first, torch anytime after your cooldowns are over

[errant swallow]

I'll take a look at logs now, I was just curious. Buying it tomorrow

[cloud iron]

does sudden demise not just let you look good on low keys

[clever sapphire]

make sure you dont cast torch 20s before pressing your cooldowns, so your ashes doesnt go on cooldown tho

[errant swallow]

You're totally right, thanks

I have my WA ready

https://wago.io/xSQqhDlds

[junior aurora]

doesnt really make you look good next to the bm hunter that got them to sudden demise range in the first place lol

[storm forum]

What on-use stat trinket we liking this tier? Spoils? Ashes? Some 1 min from a world quest? Something else I forgot existed?

[errant swallow]

Ashes + Torch

[storm forum]

Ty

[junior aurora]

spoils is an int trinket fwiw

Ashes is the only 2min agi trinket that makes sense for us

[storm forum]

Oh

Oops

[normal mist]

look guys

https://www.wowhead.com/news/amirdrassil-the-dreams-hope-weekly-dps-rankings-dragonflight-season-4-week-3-340535?webhook#screenshots:340535:2

rogue brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

don't mind me, just BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to the top

[clever sapphire]

time to nerf

[lime edge]

[normal mist]

was thinking about it actually xD

[lime edge]

I play unholy

I'm so good at the game

[past bobcat]

Pi making you guys look good again with the buffs

[clever sapphire]

surely its because of the pi and not because its the raid that fitted assa rogue

[normal mist]

surely

[clever sapphire]

or because sub rogue is 2 seperate entities in logs so its just horrible in ranking

[dark token]

I think assa is legit top 3 spec with pi btw

It's not the raid

[past bobcat]

Yeah ass has good cleave right for free? The talents are good for sin

[dark token]

Yes assa dmg profile is absolutely busted cause of spatter

[violet jackal]

Devastation, Unholy, Assassination, I don't know where this hunter shenanigan came from but i don't like it, also never again are the days of warlock PI

[dark token]

It will be top on any tier where it's tuned ok for ST and gets an external

[past bobcat]

How is fragment for sin compared to ashes?

[rotund oak]

more rets than the other 4 combined

nothing's wrong here

rets are completely fine

[normal mist]

They are fine...

everyone else is just bad

right?

[balmy condor]

I think on paper it’s like 0.1% better with kb but yeah just use it with SOMETHING no need to overthink

[spice spire]

Bless up king

[past bobcat]

Would this same rule apply to fragment?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[gray sandal]

So with sin, would someone be willin to help me like min-max it? I'm roughly a month or two in after not playing for 11 yrs

[subtle cipher]

started running as a tank, jesus the life is so much easier
1 min on the queue and 50 dps to pick lmao

[keen spruce]

Everything is layed out in the wowhead guides and faq here. I’d dig through those first then come back with any specific questions if something isn’t clicking

[gray sandal]

Ah ok ok

[keen spruce]

[proud dust]

would anyone be able to take a quick look at my sin sims? they seem really low but I've only got 2-3 pickups in my M+ droptimizer so I'm curious if something's wrong/ there's something else I should be targeting changing

[runic hinge]

Why’d you let me drink so much. I’m tired