assassination

[true condor]

it sims better tho

[short sedge]

Isn't puzzle box a pre-pull kinda thing

[balmy condor]

definitely not

[quiet oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[true condor]

should be macro to DM and make a huge boom in the first blust?

[true condor]

so unlucky tira, the ash left me

[balmy condor]

use it the gcd before dm

[manic igloo]

Sin feels fun In dungeons finding hard to keep up with bm hunters and ret palas though not sure if it's a get good thing or not xD

Tips would be welcome lol

[gusty mirage]

Ret is absolutely bonkers rn damage wise

You won’t really compete with them

Unless they suck

[quiet oar]

So the 515 Ret that got beat by my 493 Demo WL sucked?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[quiet oar]

Thats surprising

He promised big dmg

People would never lie on the Internet

right?

[gusty mirage]

You are also uniquely assembled

[gusty mirage]

True, it’s actually against the law

[royal lantern]

really hard to impossible unless they play like dogshit tbh

[quiet oar]

I mean you have to know that

[royal lantern]

can just do "dmg mitiagation" there tbh

like, first pull of the dungeon? dont use cd's, the paladin will evaporate the pack by himself and you wasted your stuff

[split cipher]

I've found holding cds first pull is the option playing with pumpers in weekly 8-10s

[royal lantern]

just enjoy the ride with a ret and be suprised how they manage to die on a spec that is legit invicible

[quiet oar]

or legit do no Utility at all

Like stunning an incorporeal

[royal lantern]

skills turn undead and never used it like chad

"Im not here to do anything except pressing divine storm loser"

[manic igloo]

It was a toss up between playing sin or sub but I just ended up picking what I like thematically

[royal lantern]

mate, most people should play what they like overall

cus with the exception of some extreme cases it often doesnt really matter much

[quiet oar]

But my WR 1500 Guild wont kill the Boss i if play the worse spec

[manic igloo]

Luckily I play with a friend group for m+ as generally the pug community is questionable so it doesn't matter all too much for me

[quiet oar]

Ye

With friends you can vibe

[gusty mirage]

Questionable is the nicest way to put that

[subtle tundra]

true bestie

[gusty mirage]

I had a 505 spriest do less damage than the prot warrior

That was neat

[celest helm]

so Diurnas ring is considered BIS for assa rogue but it looks like we have such few things that proc it, thats still BIS? anyone have any logs for how much it does on average for a fight

[royal lantern]

my WR500 guild wont get HoF when we start Fyrakk progress 3 weeks ago and just slowly get into p2, and now need to replace you with a ret paladin that saw 2 mythic kills in total

(yes im still salty about that one because of how ridicolous the brainrot was there)

[gusty mirage]

Helm enchant ends up covering most of the procs, plus it has full stat weights of another ring + the damage proc

[royal lantern]

it has the same stats as any other ring, so its really just a gain

and like oxi said, head enchant procs it enough

[celest helm]

would longterm BIS not be both rings from vault then? cuz filial is shit load of mastery and also a shield sounds decent

[limber lion]

Stat does not matter

Having the most amount of stats is bis

And an effect that does 1% of your damage as extra ia better than any combo of stats

[quiet oar]

I wanna add, they put a 5-6 raidday week before HOF was closed

and still didnt get it

[dark token]

Yes

[royal lantern]

OFC THEY DIDNT GET IT WHEN HOF WAS AT 20GUILD MISSING WHEN WE WHERE STILL AT TINDRAL

JESUS CHRIST

RAIDLEADER WR CHASING

ßßPOGHAPSH

[quiet oar]

And zeross bragging about having more EXP on the Boss than me with

after that

[subtle tundra]

ok i simmed myself for st in m+, i sim 209k ofc im fighting the tank

holy shit

[dark token]

My sub sims for like 300k on St in keys no buffs

Get yourself some gear mate

[subtle tundra]

im 507

crafted TWO items

[gusty mirage]

Did you buy your 2 items?

[subtle tundra]

using ashes aswell

[quiet oar]

Can you sue his old Guild, for the Mental damage they caused on Tryan?

[dark token]

Did you do keys

[gusty mirage]

How the fuck is my pally higher geared than you lmao

[subtle tundra]

cause i dont play

[dark token]

U should be at least 510 if you didn't afk content

[gusty mirage]

You think I do?

[subtle tundra]

didnt even do hc

[dark token]

Max your crests every week

[subtle tundra]

i did 6 mythic bosses

[dark token]

The raid doesn't matter

[subtle tundra]

and 2 dungeons

i dont want to do m+

buddy

[gusty mirage]

This mfer

[limber lion]

480 gang

[quiet oar]

If you dont play the game

[dark token]

Max your crests and get 510 for afking

[subtle tundra]

bro

[dark token]

So like RLP +6s bro

[quiet oar]

is "Gamer" fitting to your name

[subtle tundra]

i dont want to do m+ when i feel bad for playing

[dark token]

They take 10 mins

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

He’s still a gamer cause he played himself

[dark token]

You feel bad cause your gear bad so you perform bad

[subtle tundra]

i feel like im wasting my guildies time

[dark token]

So if you gear more and you realize sin actually pretty good atm you will feel happy

[subtle tundra]

10 ilvl will mean i confidently beat the tank

still 100k less st than other dps

[dark token]

In keys?

Or raid

[subtle tundra]

keys

i dont give a shit about raid tuning

raid tuning is literally irrelevant

[dark token]

I admit sin kinda meh in keys even with the buff but you can still blast weekly keys

[subtle tundra]

dps doesnt matter unless you raid world 10

[dark token]

Just play AP shock

[subtle tundra]

yea ofc never said i cant
but going into a tyrannical boss without deathmark and doing tank dps

i cant play like that

i dont want to

[dark token]

Save deathmark and CDs for boss then

[subtle tundra]

and then do tank dps on aoe?

[dark token]

You should have time to do both

I just send kingsbanes on trash only

Hold dm almost whole key

On low keys

DM just makes your spatter target get 1shot

[subtle tundra]

i dont need you to convince me to play

i wont play anyways i dont care

[dark token]

Unless it's a high health mob like the dragons in halls of infusion

[subtle tundra]

im just saying, assa is complete dogshit tuning for m+

it got solved with PI in raid

while its still unplayable in m+

[dark token]

Ye it's bad but so is rogue in general

Casters are op af

Why you think i only do weekly 10s

[royal lantern]

thats german for "spamming random keys on your keyboard cus you cant belive how stupid somebody can be"

[manic igloo]

First bullion item I got was ashes and will be able to get another one tonight but I'm not sure whether to get grieftorch or seal first

[subtle tundra]

like half my guild is playing m+

i want to play too

but i cant

[dark token]

Sim it

[royal lantern]

i just noticed that ß was the first letter btw

[subtle tundra]

i'd feel bad for asking to play with them

[dark token]

you can still get a title on sin btw, it becomes better in higher keys

[manic igloo]

🫡

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/memeblog-monkey-gif-18207748

[subtle tundra]

you dont have to tell me

ofc you can

title is achiveable on any spec

[gusty mirage]

Varas do you need a hug

[dark token]

I was pretty close to title on sin last season just low effort pugging when I think it was worse tuned than now

As long you play well your mates will prefer you over a pug

[grim jay]

is that a threat or a promise

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

buddy ive pushed on assa when it was bad before

i know all this shit

[dark token]

So what's diff now

I think assa is better tuned than shadowlands or s1 for keys for sure atm

[celest helm]

can anyone explain what this actually means for Ashes of Ember

[subtle tundra]

nah assa in sl was playable

[spice surge]

It procs once half your group has died

[celest helm]

1/2 ?

[limber lion]

That is half yes

[celest helm]

so requires 10 people dead in order to proc interesting

[spice surge]

But its not part of the trinkets stat budget, its just a random flavour thing that rarely matters

[celest helm]

can it proc in m+?

[spice surge]

Since most of the time when half of your group has died, its not looking so good

Yes

[celest helm]

cool, wont really think of it much was just curious

[dusky carbon]

are cleave dummies bugged? they are only taking 1-10 damage from me

[limber lion]

First I've heard of it

[quiet oar]

Ye

They are bugged

[dusky carbon]

lol what are the odds i finally decide to practice a M+ setup for assa and they are bugged haha

[quiet oar]

Its a sign

[limber lion]

Try different dummies

[quiet oar]

Just send it, you are good enough without practice

[limber lion]

Like in Dazar'alor

That's where I do most of my practice

[dusky carbon]

Lol I'm definitely not good enough... I think I've done like 1 key ever as assa. Only ever done M+ as sub or outlaw

My ST just sucks on outlaw for some reason so I was thinking of trying the cleave build for assa instead

[quiet oar]

Was a joke, but as Cev said. Try Dummies in Dazaralor or any other capital city

Ashran also has good dummies iirc

[dusky carbon]

I know you were joking but still

Do you all have a preferred M+ build? I was leaning towards cleave

[dark token]

Pls don't play cleave build until 15+

It's completely garbage below then

[dusky carbon]

Like new 15+ or old

[dark token]

U gain 3% st for doing piss dmg all key

New 15+

Completely not worth

It relies on being able to get a full dm + KB spatter on random trash

You don't do that until 15 or 17+

[subtle tundra]

assa st is ummm not good

[dusky carbon]

It sims like over 10% higher ST for me

[dark token]

If you want good single target in Keys play sub

[limber lion]

Play anything you want

Doesn't matter

Have fun

I play the bleed build

[dark token]

^

[limber lion]

Because it's the most fun

To me

[dark token]

Bleed build is much better in lower keys both fun and dmg wise

[fallen arch]

Agree

I’m having fun with that build in keys

[dusky carbon]

Is that just the standard with crimson tempest and no dtb?

[fallen arch]

Yes

[spice surge]

Cleave is fun when you can get the kingsbanes off, when you cant its not fun

[limber lion]

And SD

[fallen arch]

Arterial Shock I think its called

[dark token]

I probably wouldn't play cleave until 17+ even

It was always a high key optimization build

[limber lion]

I wouldn't play cleave ever personally

[dark token]

But people running it in low keys and inting themselves and their groups while circlejerking over 5% st dmg on boss and -100k overall in the key

[fallen arch]

The boss damage does feel bad though

[dark token]

Spoiler alert ur sin

[fallen arch]

Ye

[dark token]

Ur boss dmg will feel bad regardless of build

Cleave doesn't fix it

I didn't even notice the diff

[fallen arch]

How the tables turned since Shadowlands s1-2

[subtle tundra]

i used to go into keys saying "trust me, huge st"

[fallen arch]

It was the complete reverse

[dark token]

Now ur huge prio dmg

Good for timing

[subtle tundra]

we also had prio just not so much we insta kill one mob, just enough to get shit equal 🙂

[fallen arch]

And on big packs you go kinda wild

[dark token]

Again sub rogue is the best st spec for keys except on bosses with summoned adds or something like last boss brackenhide

I do regularly 300-350k st on key bosses

Always top on it over sp/warlocks etc

Sin st becomes better once you can get a second dm in execute range

But that won't happen till higher keys again

[fallen arch]

I do have a question on keys

Do you use ct on pure single target?

[subtle tundra]

you dont ct until 4 targets

[fallen arch]

Okay thanks

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, I've been using CT on two/three targets also good to know

[true condor]

time to mythic

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyway, I have a question about our tier bonus and Caustic spatter:
Does the position of the character matter? Like, should I've been closer to other targets while envenoming the main target?
Or the damage "splashes" from the target?

[marsh zinc]

can u guys recommend a good video guide

[spice surge]

Its from the target

[pseudo hamlet]

So, for example, when we're attacking Igira - it would do the same damage to the spears(if they're close to her), not matter of the position I am taking?

[spice surge]

yes

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks 😄

[true condor]

a good start

[royal lantern]

Bac rising 💪

[true condor]

💪

[dreamy parcel]

I did a 10 last night and my dps was terrible 😞

[junior aurora]

bac is out here tripleboxing mythic doing more dps than half this channel

what a god

[true condor]

is it some kind of joke

i am new, i cant defeat masters

[quiet oar]

There are 2 Imposters

In that details

[true condor]

yea details issue

dunno the reason, some chinese name will be replaced my name

i got a lots masters teaching last night

i even sleep with whispyrs pooling vedio

[quiet oar]

[true condor]

i love the time when kingsbane executed

[dreamy parcel]

Finding a way to enter stealth in m+ when the tank is chain pulling seems to be my main problem, especially with the ghosts that chase you. How do you counter this?

[keen spruce]

don't hit the ghosts

unless it's fixated on you, they don't put you in combat so sometimes you can sneak in a restealth while there's ghosties up

otherwise just throw a rupture on the or something

to keep the energy up

and just keep blasting and don't worry about restealthing

cuz it doesn't matter anyways

just get to the next pack asap

[clever sapphire]

That sounds like a lie

Just dont do keys above 9 this week, easy

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

I have never experienced getting a restealth that way

If i spam stealth there may be a milisecond when nothing is alive and i get a restealth

[keen spruce]

krill issue

[clever sapphire]

But getting one when ghost is alive but targeting someone else?

I found my solution

Skip this week

[keen spruce]

i mean it's not gonna be very common

cuz of spatter

[clever sapphire]

And go cleave if i get invited to a 10+

[spice surge]

dill issue fr fr

[clever sapphire]

Because with cleave my brain doesnt care much about getting a stealth

[rough moss]

Tyrannical + spiteful = deleting the game for a week

[true condor]

wait

wut

why i use raid dagger then a huge dagger in my body

[clever sapphire]

Nothing can surprise me this patch anymore

[silk dirge]

On a council style encounter, should I be trying to keep rupture/garrote up on all targets?

[limber lion]

Ye

You don't need to go out of your way to do so, but if they're next to each other. Wouldn't do 3 targets without IC though

[silk dirge]

Gotcha. thank you for the explanation. So the "raid cleave" build isnt the best choice for a council style fight.

[limber lion]

Eleem probably about to slam some numbers and knowledge

[spice surge]

I thought "surely vicious venom is actually pretty good and the simc implementation is undervaluing it", but it turns out its as shit as it sims because the nature damage from it doesnt scale with literally anything besides mastery.
Shiv? Nope, 2p? Nope, other talents? Nope

[spice surge]

Yes but actually no

[royal lantern]

in raid you just swap bettwen using spatter or not

nothing else

[limber lion]

Funny enough I thought VV was terrible but the sims were pushing it super hard on everything. I can't remember what change made us drop it eventually

But that was back in 10.1 and 10.2 I think

[spice surge]

In 10.2 it was the buffs to sanguine iirc

Just more efficient damage per energy from that talent compared to VV

[limber lion]

Yeaah could be

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Glad, VV bad all my homies hate VV

[spice surge]

Thought i had a scoop when my napkin math said it should be way better

But nah

[limber lion]

I just looked at logs and it was doing like 0 damage so I just started taking other stuff instead

[spice surge]

It does seem to do more damage to low level targets, so there might be some double dipping on general damage amps from bosses (like gnarlroot or tindral)

[limber lion]

And complained to Whispyr about it

[limber lion]

Fun another Doomblade scenario

[spice surge]

But ye its doing like 30%+ less damage than i would expect it to since it doesnt scale with shit, it is what it is. Woof woof talent ig

[limber lion]

Good, fuck generator-related talents and buffs

Except Gar

Give me all the garrote talents

[spice surge]

BFA shrouded suffocation, my beloved

[royal lantern]

garrote garrote garrote->im doing dmg

[quiet oar]

Imagine as a dot spec your dots Do dmg

But cant have that, Subs dot Hits harder

[royal lantern]

cant imagine, lets buff MR

affliction moment

[true condor]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[gusty mirage]

sepsis s2 DF my beloved

[violet jackal]

More mutilate talents, also buff poison damage when energy below 50%

[limber lion]

What in tarnation

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

let the man cook

wtf

[quiet oar]

I hope its Not burned

Im hungry

[gusty mirage]

yo me too actually

[woeful meteor]

remove kingsbane again

[gusty mirage]

WHO HURT YOU @woeful meteor

was it stealthi

[quiet oar]

Wtf

[gusty mirage]

[quiet oar]

Kingsbane is a king

[woeful meteor]

somehow enjoyed s1 the most of the sin iterations in DF

[quiet oar]

I love Legion sin

[woeful meteor]

that one had no KB and

[quiet oar]

And thats why kb has to stay

[gusty mirage]

that one for sure had KB

wtf

[woeful meteor]

you mean legion or DF S1

cause s1 had kb for .5 patches and then got choice noded into DTB

[quiet oar]

Legion had kingsbane

Because you couldnt play sin

[gusty mirage]

KB/IC my beloved from s1

[quiet oar]

Without it

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[quiet oar]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

45s IC, 45s ER, 45s Exsang

[woeful meteor]

s1 I didn't play m+ live was good

[quiet oar]

I miss artifact weapons

[woeful meteor]

[quiet oar]

[subtle tundra]

I miss 45 sec exsang

GRARRRR

[royal lantern]

can somone put varas down?

[quiet oar]

Just Hug him

[gusty mirage]

he'll tire himself out soon

dw

[silk bane]

nah hes real for that

[quiet oar]

How about exsang 1 minute

With dust

[silk bane]

OH MY GOD LEMME EXSANG MY SEPSIS VANISH FOR MORE EXSANG WITH SEPSIS

also make sepsis bleed so works with exsang

now were cooking

wait, i think i see stealthi outside my door.

funny hes got a gun

OH NO

[quiet oar]

Does He look angry

[silk bane]

cant tell, he keeps yelling "stop running i just wanna talk"

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant

is this true

[quiet oar]

Wait armin

[gusty mirage]

or are you being slandered

[quiet oar]

i even have more cooking

Even if this is sin

Give exsang to Sub

So you have to Snapshot your Shadow Rupture very high

and use exsang

So your main dmg is Rutpure and Shadow Rupture

[silk bane]

oxi did i ever tell u that in 2nd year i took business law, and said something really weird in like the first class, and for the entire semester my prof made fun of me, and even put me on the final exam?

[marsh zinc]

do i always press ambush over mutilate ?

[earnest remnant]

pure slander

id order a drone strike if anything

i wouldnt personally show up

to much liability you know

[arctic socket]

How come the dreamcarve dagger is on our bullion buy list

Someone care to explain that too me

[gusty mirage]

because its a dagger

and daggers are necessary to use our abilities as assassination rogues

lmk if you need further clarification

[arctic socket]

Yeah

That doesn’t seem right

Did they add anything to dagger

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[arctic socket]

Hmm nope

[gusty mirage]

I'm confused what you're confused about

[potent raven]

im confused

why i dont have that dagger

[earnest remnant]

im confused on your behalf as well

[sage token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

The fact that it's a dreamcarver is not why it's on the list. it's a myth track dagger that you can buy with vendor sheckles

[marble hemlock]

yeah, why would the single most important item to your DPS output be on there?

[clever sapphire]

you mean grieftorch right

[indigo epoch]

any of the dagger choices better than another for M+? cheat death a chance or 100%?

talent elusiveness/ take cd on dagger?

[earnest remnant]

its not really a cheatdeath

its just a tiny heal

[indigo epoch]

lame

which would u run stealthi?

[earnest remnant]

movespeed if i had dreamcaver

[indigo epoch]

thanks m8, good enough for me

[marble hemlock]

movespeed or leech below 50% health imo

[indigo epoch]

thank you.

[gusty mirage]

+1 to movespeed

[arctic socket]

Dagger before greiftorch tho? Wild

[arctic socket]

Is it still bugged?

[earnest remnant]

no

[marble hemlock]

If you don't have a dagger, it'll be the biggest upgrade to your DPS.

By far.

[arctic socket]

But that would me I would to go and upgrade it

And get flight stones

[spice surge]

Same as with trinkets, or any other slots

[spice surge]

Imo the leech is completely useless, youre essentially never below 50% in any group content.

[quiet oar]

Maybe in your groups

But in some pugs

[spice surge]

The only time its decent is If your healer is dead in m+ or when questing, but seeing as assa already has 12% leech

10% more aint gonna matter

[quiet oar]

You spend more time below 50% than above

[arctic socket]

Movement speed / stam is bis

[spice surge]

You definitely dont, even in bad groups

Youre moreso hovering around 70% or so

[rotund oak]

plz continue im here to read the argument

[arctic socket]

But

22% > 10%

So

[dark token]

It's a mythic dagger if you don't raid mythic or get unlucky with m+ vault

[quiet oar]

It was exeggerated ofc, i just want to point out that its also not "never". Because especially on Bosses like 3rd boss AV and Nokhuds tempest

it definitely has some value

[dark token]

If you do get a mythic dagger obviously don't buy it

[quiet oar]

i remember in Doti 2nd boss having it perma up

[arctic socket]

I do the first at least 4 bosses on mythic

So I might just skip that lol

[pulsar void]

Guys silly question but is it a big dps loss if you go deathmark, kingsbane, shiv, shadow dance, ashes, garrote, envenom

Compared to kingsbane after dance and before garrote and using ashes trink with Mark?

Hekili tells me that the first

But wowhead guide is second option

[arctic socket]

You wouldn’t get the night stalker empowered kingsbane

If you dance after already pressing it

[pulsar void]

Thanks!

[clever sapphire]

yap big loss, follow wowhead not hekili

[arctic socket]

^

[spice surge]

10% less kingsbane damage no beuno

[pulsar void]

And ashes with Mark?

Or after?

[arctic socket]

Bind ashes with death mark

[clever sapphire]

i macro ashes into deathmark

[slate crown]

Can do deathmark or kingsbane, whichever, just make sure it's overlapping kingsbane

Ashes isn't a snapshot like the 10% from dance is

[arctic socket]

Marco it with deathmark so it always lines up

No reason not to

How many bullions are we at now

6 total?

[clever sapphire]

6 next reset

so you should have 2 items and 1 bullion currently

[arctic socket]

Ye I do

[rotund oak]

u also should have 2 crafted items

just sayin

[arctic socket]

I don’t have gold for that

[clever sapphire]

just wanted to say, sounds like rich people talk

[rotund oak]

both cost me 40k

tops

[arctic socket]

Well I actually have the gold for it just not the crests lmao

[rotund oak]

ring+belt

[clever sapphire]

35k more than im willing to spend

[arctic socket]

Why waste a ring craft?

[clever sapphire]

i also crafted ring tho

[rotund oak]

coz u dont rly want a 2nd ring

just one

and there are wrists for me for sub

and also sin

ring is a safe place

comfy and cheap

[arctic socket]

I have always crafted belt / neck

[rotund oak]

neck depends

idk

maybe

ill juice up a tier slot for food embelishment

and im golden

[arctic socket]

I need to juice up my tier

Haven’t got any tier yet from raid

[earnest remnant]

i need the balancing devs to juice up sub

[rotund oak]

yes plz

[arctic socket]

Juice up sin

[rotund oak]

ive prophecized it

[arctic socket]

Our dps is dodo

[rotund oak]

sub gonna get a smol something

idk what

[rough moss]

So by SDing before KB you get the dmg buff for the entire kb ?

[earnest remnant]

you just got juiced

[rotund oak]

but my magic ball says so

[clever sapphire]

yap, you snapshot nightstalker onto kb

[earnest remnant]

Assa just got a 7% juice increase

it is sub's turn now

[arctic socket]

Yup that’s how snapshottint works

[rough moss]

Ok good to know thanks

[arctic socket]

They need like a 12% one

[earnest remnant]

that only works with Nightstalker, just saying

so you dont go and do some weird Catalysm snapshot shenanigans

[rough moss]

But with the ashes bonus decreasing, wouldn’t be worthier to cast it at mid kb ?

[quiet oar]

How about a 5% Secret Tech nerf?

[earnest remnant]

how about this

[earnest remnant]

that used to be the case

but then they nerfed KB

[quiet oar]

[earnest remnant]

so now it doesent matter

[arctic socket]

[clever sapphire]

sectech so secret, it doesnt even show its dmg in subs logs

[rough moss]

Oh ok got it

Thanks

[quiet oar]

Better nerf akaari, almost counts as a 21th member

in mythic

[earnest remnant]

he is lost

[arctic socket]

Nerf ret / spreist

[earnest remnant]

gone

buff sub so i feel like playing the game again plz

[arctic socket]

That won’t come back until next expansion

[earnest remnant]

i usually do high m+

[runic hinge]

Orange name changed you

[earnest remnant]

but sub is shit

so i dont feel like playing

[arctic socket]

Did a shadow nerf happen to sub?

Seems like their damage is lower

[earnest remnant]

nope

just bugs in logs

[arctic socket]

Or did everyone else’s damage just get that much higher

[earnest remnant]

and other classes getting more dmg this season

[clever sapphire]

i forgot who, but someone has been saying that sub is so much better in m+ than assa, and that he is doin 300-350k dps on bosses in keys being above sp and mages

[earnest remnant]

being top on bosses is fine

[arctic socket]

How do you aoe damage as sub

[earnest remnant]

being 200+k below on overall is not

dot stuff
and press blackpowder

cycle cooldowns

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[earnest remnant]

thats about it

its kinda like assa in that regard

[arctic socket]

I enjoy sin

But not in keys

[rotund oak]

ur ppl need a racoon podcast

[arctic socket]

I don’t wanna hate myself and play outlaw

[rotund oak]

discussing sub with the homies

[earnest remnant]

only rogue spec i dont enjoy playing is outlaw

not a fan of DF outlaw

[subtle tundra]

im an active hater

[rotund oak]

im a DF hater

[deft scroll]

i only enjoy sin in keys. the crackshot gamble makes me angry as outlaw and sub just feels meh and the overall is crazy bad.

[arctic socket]

The people I the outlaw channel

Wild

[earnest remnant]

dont have to tell me, im the one that has to keep those idiots in check every now and then

[rotund oak]

mostly kids

[arctic socket]

What’s more of the boomer spec

Sub or sin

[earnest remnant]

Assa

[rotund oak]

sin

[deft scroll]

assa

[arctic socket]

[rotund oak]

sub is where u got all the rogue knowledge

and the mindset

[earnest remnant]

Sub is the weird kid you wanna avoid at school

[rotund oak]

to minmax

[earnest remnant]

but once you get to know him he is kinda cool

[rotund oak]

sub is a fucking art

[arctic socket]

You speak from experience huh stealthi

[rotund oak]

str8 up art

[arctic socket]

Sub is pretty fun

Big numbers

[earnest remnant]

i was very much the opposite i was loud af

very annoying

[arctic socket]

Do you have to mute yourself during raids?

[earnest remnant]

i dont have too

but i do

cuz i sing along to my music

[arctic socket]

Blast some edm

[earnest remnant]

nuh uh

metal core

[arctic socket]

[slate crown]

I'm still just vibing with wow music most of the time, with my music WA flipping on FFXIV music during bosses

[royal lantern]

truest thing i ever saw in RH

[arctic socket]

Nah dude

[slate crown]

The particular boss theme I have right now has great timing with the music on tindral

[arctic socket]

If you play with wow sound

[clever sapphire]

is outlaw even still that good? even zac is playing dh (or atleast he was on dh yesterday and also right now)

[arctic socket]

You’re weird

[slate crown]

right on the time with needing to fly

[slate crown]

I mean the boss music is expliclty not wow music lol

[arctic socket]

Dh is just better

[royal lantern]

mate you type in a channel filled with people that play a 20year old game

we ALL are weird

[arctic socket]

Nah

[slate crown]

Yeah also what channel do you think you're in

[arctic socket]

Listening to any wow related music

Is weird

[earnest remnant]

sorry mate im playing lost ark atm

[arctic socket]

I’m playing Poe

[royal lantern]

the channel that created #1080572530554835072 and #1231592737221120152

[arctic socket]

[rotund oak]

im doing arenas

feeding

[royal lantern]

oof

[earnest remnant]

condolences

[rotund oak]

hard

[earnest remnant]

imagine playing the shittiest game mode in the shit game

[arctic socket]

I love playing sub for arenas

[earnest remnant]

thats alot of shit

[slate crown]

I lovewhen people try

But I have yet to have someone give me the correct comm

[arctic socket]

You’re pressing

A button

[slate crown]

where it gives me 42069

AFTER the cut

[slate crown]

I'm commenting on the 42069 not the amount lol

[rotund oak]

ive crafted two engiheads for 20k this week

[earnest remnant]

i havent logged in this week

maybe i should at some point

[arctic socket]

Stealthi log in

[rotund oak]

u arent rly missing anything

[arctic socket]

Then log out intently

[rotund oak]

season is cringe

[arctic socket]

Didn’t method stop this season

[earnest remnant]

i should do the weekly quest thingy for buillons

[arctic socket]

Raidin wise?

[earnest remnant]

i dont raid with method

[subtle tundra]

or dont!

[rotund oak]

there is a catchup

[earnest remnant]

see the thing is varas

[rotund oak]

even if u dont

[earnest remnant]

id would make me feel bad if i didn't

[slate crown]

I was under the impression the weekly specifically didn't have a catchup

[subtle tundra]

its worthless for me cause i wont have the crests needed to upgrade

[slate crown]

The x2 from the quest

[royal lantern]

it has

oh wait the weekly

idk there

[rotund oak]

oh u mean the weekly two bullion quest

[subtle tundra]

and everyone in the raid would have bought every important item

so ill get it when it drops

[slate crown]

Yes

[rotund oak]

ye that doesnt have a catchup

iirc

[slate crown]

I'm trying to gear my 450 warrior up from season 2 to do dungeons before EOW lol so I don't miss the quest

[earnest remnant]

anyways im gonna get it done when i do my 4 weekly keys on tuesday

[rotund oak]

i thought the dude meant the dream weekly

[dire berry]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[manic igloo]

seems for my second item, seal of diurnas chosen sims higher than greiftorch in my current gear

im guessing for that i would need to change a embellishment to shadowflame?

[kindred flare]

I’m curious about that too. I’ve got seal and it’s not doing a ton of damage just procing from the helm enchant. Seems like flaring cowl or shadow flame would be a better idea but they don’t sim higher, so I guess it’s just a tiny bonus.

[tall atlas]

which embis should i go for if i play sin in raid and OL in M+

or should i just go sin in M+ kek

[kindred flare]

I like sin in m+. Great in decently high keys.

[subtle cipher]

spiteful is so miserable as a sin rogue, tank will just leave them there, and you wont restealth lol

thx god they are getting rid of all this bullshit on tww

[tall atlas]

be a nelf

[royal lantern]

!stealth

[runic hinge]

they do flips

[royal lantern]

what was the comment again

[runic hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[subtle cipher]

nelf garbage

[royal lantern]

oh ye restealth

[subtle cipher]

void elf >

[royal lantern]

elves are garbage

the only good elf is a dead elf

[runic hinge]

void elf doesn't flip so it can't be bis

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

[subtle cipher]

elves are chad

[subtle cipher]

but they rotate

n elf animation stealth is uber ugly

[royal lantern]

you play a elf

your opinion on stuff looking good or bad is invalid

[subtle cipher]

):

at least i look good on stealth

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-nelson-muntz-ha-ha-laugh-lauhging-gif-3610625

[quiet oar]

Dont worry sey

Tryan plays Vulpera

[subtle cipher]

LOL

we done here

[runic hinge]

Vulpera flip, so they can be bis

[quiet oar]

Nightelfs do flip too

[royal lantern]

8 in a row once

[subtle cipher]

tryan, are you a furry?

[royal lantern]

??? yes ???

[quiet oar]

Actually he is a scalie

[royal lantern]

mate, thats 1 of the probably most well known things here

[runic hinge]

I do be flipping

[royal lantern]

Dracthyr Rogue inc in TWW

Now give them transmog and its 10/10

[subtle cipher]

sexy stealth

[quiet oar]

A fellow CM set enjoyers

Greetings to you fine sir

[subtle cipher]

always

[quiet oar]

or madame

[buoyant moat]

so for ashes of embersoul do we use this in sync with Kingsbane or toward the end/lining up with Deathmark?

[pulsar void]

I asked this earlier, with deathmark

[clever sapphire]

macro to dm, forget about it, profit

[buoyant moat]

Rgr

[normal mist]

👀

[royal lantern]

macro with DM or kingsbane, doesnt make a difference really

[buoyant moat]

gotya

[vestal wren]

its quite fast, so go for it champ

[rough moss]

Guys got a question, the top 1 rogue on mythic gnarlroot is a sin, when I check his log, I guess he’s doing the exact same st rotation except using fan knives instead of mutilate, and keep doing is single target rotation, did I miss something or sin is melting adds pop ?

[royal lantern]

?

they use FoK for the adds that spawn

[rough moss]

Yea but except that, you don’t have anything else to do to cleave ?

[proven jasper]

spatter?

[rough moss]

And the toxic spatter talent

[proven jasper]

thats all it takes to cleave tbh

Fok and spatter

[haughty flicker]

What else is he supposed to be doing

[proven jasper]

yeah idk

[rough moss]

Idk lol wanted to be sure, thanks

[royal lantern]

funfact

i learned in the last raid that the big circles on gnarlroot can hit everyone and not just ranged dps

cus i NEVER had it on me the entire time and just assumed its a ranged only mechanic

was confused af

[proven jasper]

ive gotten it before too our guild is so down bad on ranged

[haughty flicker]

Yeah my guild has so few ranged

If one dies it’s kind of fucked

Ranged mechanics on melee instantly

[proven jasper]

Same lol

We finally managed to get someone to actually stick to mage for mage buff and we end up having most of our ranged swap melee lmfao

[haughty flicker]

I won’t lie I’ve actually secretly wished for a long time I could enjoy bm so I could swap to ranged

Help comp while also just payphoning it

But I can’t bring myself to do it

[proven jasper]

I could probably enjoy mm but eh

The only ranged i ever really had a blast on was destro

[haughty flicker]

Mop destro was the last time I enjoyed a ranged lmao

[proven jasper]

Mage is so sleeper in raid

But pretty fun in keys

[haughty flicker]

Spriest actually isn’t bad currently but I think I just like the big numbers

[proven jasper]

yeah i think id like spriest but i just cba

[digital venture]

Did the rotation for sin in m+ changed with the build posted in TC channel?

[proven jasper]

S2 dragonflight destro with the madness talent was soooo fun

And then they killed it

[tame iris]

assassination faq channel is pretty lacking compared to the other two. anyone know why?

[clever sapphire]

if its not pinned in this channel, its not researched enough yet for it to get updated

[slate crown]

Because maintaining two sources of truth on a bunch of research and recommendations is really frustrating and I don't blame Whispyr for not trying to maintain both a discord FAQ AND a wowhead guide

[clever sapphire]

whispyr made sure that wowhead is in depth, so no reason to maintain the discord version

[slate crown]

When all the information between the two would be essentially identical

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ashen topaz]

guys for kingsbane rotation, its basically doing as much 4cp+ envenoms as possible so the dmg goes higher if i understand correctly?

(new to rogue/assa)

[slate crown]

That is generally the goal, yes, along with maintaining buffs throughout it that increase its damage. Wowhead's listed sequence acheives this optimally, overlapping and sequencing abilities to ensure max envenom uptime while also overlapping important buffs

[ashen topaz]

Ok, thanks! i will check that out

[runic hinge]

100% shiv uptime is very important as well

[ashen topaz]

yeah, i was trying to do that too

basically before Kingsbane and refresh during

[runic hinge]

I would suggest practicing the wowhead opener for like a half hour on a dummy and then your KB sequence should be muscle memory and you're good to go

[ashen topaz]

yeah, was planning on doing that :)! thanks, just finishing 4 m0s for bullions before i forget lol since im low ilvl

[runic hinge]

imagine you put pedro in the second helmet

[keen spruce]

I was gonna put whispyr

but there's like

over 200 frames in this gif

[runic hinge]

lmaooo

that's a lof of work

[keen spruce]

and that shiv icon took so long and still looks like cheeks

[normal mist]

i didnt even notice the shiv icon

[normal mist]

if you didnt mention it

[keen spruce]

that makes me feel like my hard work is paying off ty

[normal mist]

I can tell you why

the text takes away the focus

[slate crown]

I do quite like it now but I will admit, the first time I saw it I wasn't exactly sure it was shiv, thought it was some distorted peepo. It's obvious after the 3rd viewing but immediately it wasn't. still love it

[normal mist]

im not looking at the helmet

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/look-harder-monkey-lion-king-reflection-rafiki-gif-17120778

[normal mist]

would have been funnier if there was another shiv icon to where he pointed

xDDD

[keen spruce]

"i didn't even notice the shiv icon"

https://tenor.com/view/panda-angry-triggered-smash-computer-gif-17473293

[potent raven]

Real

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/munsonated-gif-26549638

[keen spruce]

i need to find some free program that does key framing

[digital venture]

I'd like to give it a try and see how it is vs the other builds. 🙂

[clever sapphire]

oh i didnt say about it being bad or not to try or whatever

everyone is free to mess around with builds to their likings

[woeful meteor]

it's a build without iron wire you are hard trolling when playing it

[royal lantern]

cus everything is in wowhead anyway, and the guy didnt saw a reason o write the same stuff 2x when its 100% the same information

[keen spruce]

[digital venture]

Dang it. Nvm then IG

I thought they managed to cook something out with IW

[midnight spire]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[proven jasper]

Did u do this by hand….

[woeful meteor]

tbf the standard max dmg dungeon build in slice doesnt have those either it just swapped dashing for 1 scent

[gilded oasis]

by webbed foot more like it

[proven jasper]

TRUE

[keen spruce]

no it's from tc

but the final version had LWS

and dropped one point in zoldyk

[clever sapphire]

feck IW, dh has enough silence and whatever anyways

and we all know not playing with a dh is not playing at all

[keen spruce]

a better way to maximize dungeon dps at the highest level

[proven jasper]

If youre actually looking for a tool to do motion tracking cinema 3d is great

[keen spruce]

is just play outlaw

[digital venture]

I rarely play with a DH tank as my premade usually is a pala tank or a monk tank

[keen spruce]

[proven jasper]

but also expensive these days

[keen spruce]

if your'e gonna play assas then be useful and take IW

[proven jasper]

if u dont take iw in keys whispyr wont visit you in ur dreams

[digital venture]

Agree.

[keen spruce]

ye but i will

[digital venture]

I'm an old man my wrist can't take outlaw x))))

[proven jasper]

[keen spruce]

i have a zit in my ear

and i wanna die

[proven jasper]

Owwie

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Sux

[gilded oasis]

be a bro, get it for him

[spice spire]

Dog?

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

Me when he

[quiet oar]

Me when quake the

[dusk kiln]

Hey, how can you get nick of time in hero track? 522

[normal mist]

by doing dawn of the infinite on Hardmode

and being lucky

[dusk kiln]

Ah

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

@gusty mirage i told my gm i'd play ret

[violet jackal]

why is every paladin a dwarf,

[subtle tundra]

kind of the best dps

and with dwarf active

[gusty mirage]

neat

[subtle tundra]

ill buy hc, surely they increased leggo drop chance

or something

[waxen oyster]

why would you not be a dwarf

on any class that can be

[violet jackal]

i would never volunterily be alliance on god

[waxen oyster]

alliance better

horde players stinky

you guys live in mud huts

and have dirt roads

[violet jackal]

I don't play fantasy games just to be human or ally with humans

[waxen oyster]

thats every race

i dont see many dwarf pallies though

[runic hinge]

Blonde hair blue eye human paladin like the normie I am

[waxen oyster]

could be worse could be male human ret in judgement

40 y.o boomer showing

[forest nacelle]

paladins.

[waxen oyster]

i wear warrior t3 so i cant even see my hair

[runic hinge]

I definitely play ret but I don’t wear judgement and also I am not male

But I’m not playing ret when I didn’t farm the leggo at all last season

Don’t need to kill Fyrakk for two months just for it to still not stop

[waxen oyster]

skill issue tbh

[royal lantern]

cus blizz decided that dwarf is kinda OP which is cringe af

(racials are cringe)

[subtle tundra]

sounds like something a non dwarf would say

[woeful meteor]

yep, just spam toys to look differently

[forest nacelle]

speaking of racials, dat stat % racial for humans going away? or is it just the rep bonus?

[waxen oyster]

just rep

[forest nacelle]

shweet

then im safe.

[waxen oyster]

recalibrator is the best toy

[quiet oar]

False

Murloc Transformer

is

[violet jackal]

both incorrect it's actually sparkle wings

[manic igloo]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[violet jackal]

@limber lion ion 7/30/2022 said it so it must be true
sparkle wings are mandatory for giga deeps.

[normal mist]

my grind to t3 warrior is going strong

already at 1.1M

[waxen oyster]

buying what

[normal mist]

selling

LW crafts

[waxen oyster]

no i meant what’d you buy

[woeful meteor]

it's beautiful take me back

[normal mist]

Oh, the whole set

[waxen oyster]

oh shoulders most expensive

by far

[normal mist]

shoulders head =

[waxen oyster]

yea

[waxen oyster]

the rest not too bad

whats that

[normal mist]

exactly what you think it is

raw material mats required

for each slot

[waxen oyster]

is that from the new system

oh

yeah i got mine off bmah

[normal mist]

i know :C

I won't have that luck

i'll just craft it

Dreadnaught and Bonescythe are my favourite sets of all time

[waxen oyster]

crafting shoulders might be cheaper

[subtle tundra]

that rotation 🤤

[waxen oyster]

than bidding bmah on them

[subtle tundra]

BRING IT BACK

[waxen oyster]

nowadays

[normal mist]

Now, with the Follower dungeons system

i've found my new best friends

These guys hang out with me all the time

[slate crown]

Ohh right follower dungeons I've been meaning to try that

how are they

[normal mist]

idk, i've only used them for insta queus to BH

to craft toxic boots

BUT

[waxen oyster]

lmao smart

[normal mist]

check this

this is an AMAZING feature

[waxen oyster]

is that primal storm

[normal mist]

i don't like primal storm

looks bad

Wind with storm SHOULD look better than it actually does

[waxen oyster]

its pretty low effort of an illusion

[potent raven]

pretty rough playing sin thsi week

[normal mist]

My first and only duelist illusion

the worst one.

[waxen oyster]

unchained fury exists

[normal mist]

I can't remember how that one looks :c

[waxen oyster]

uhhh

bad

[digital venture]

why is Seal of Filial Duty siming higher than Seal of Diurna? I'm wondering what to get with my bulion

[quiet oar]

Mastery

Or Stats in general

Because its 535

[digital venture]

does it not account with the proc dmg orit's not significant?

[quiet oar]

It does

But looking at your gear

You dont have many ways to trigger it

[digital venture]

I have head enchant and torch

[quiet oar]

Ye

[digital venture]

I guess I should get torch 1st then?

[subtle tundra]

youre also simming dungeon slice where stats matter more

and seal proc means less

[digital venture]

I'll redo the sim then later and see, but Im leaning towards torch

[subtle tundra]

torch is 100% guarantee good

[digital venture]

exacly my guess

[autumn raft]

Is assa rhe top performing raid spec atm?

[subtle tundra]

if you receive PI, and if youre raiding amirdrassil, yes

[autumn raft]

What about crucible etc?

[spice surge]

All 3 specs are fine

[subtle tundra]

might not be best in other raids

encounter design overall favors assa in amirdrassil

sub will prob be better in others

cause uh

vault bosses have 0 hp

[autumn raft]

Hows outlaw St?

[subtle tundra]

they will die in 1min

wont be good

it has 0 burst

so its not good in raid

[autumn raft]

Sub is still viable m+ i guess

[subtle tundra]

uhhhhhhhh

what ive been told is that sub is dogshit in m+ 🙂

if you want the best in m+ and raid you need to play all 3 specs

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-ash-ketchum-i-want-to-be-the-very-best-like-no-one-ever-was-gif-9418824218269499270

[subtle tundra]

and the differences between each spec can be really big depending on the content

[old obsidian]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[dark token]

Nah it's better than sin for sure

Maybe 5-10% worse than outlaw

[old obsidian]

hey brother

the command for Whispyr plate? jajaja

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[old obsidian]

!Whispyr

xD

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[old obsidian]

Thx very much!

[ebon quest]

is there a way in game to track your blue silken lining uptime in a dungeon? short of logs?

[quiet oar]

Ye Logs or autas in Details

[slate crown]

Details has a buff uptime module thing, don't know how reliable it is

[quiet oar]

Auras