assassination

[potent raven]

i like that

[royal lantern]

but hey, if it works for him, who am i to judge

[proven jasper]

No ic would be kinda hard trolling idk

[clever sapphire]

ye ik

thats why i was confused

[proven jasper]

same

I can see no demise for sure

[clever sapphire]

i just opened his stream to check

[proven jasper]

Plenty of builds that dont take it

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[wanton spear]

oh ur right i wasn't paying attention

he has ic

[clever sapphire]

looks like regular cleave build

love how he is trying to get a reastealth in spiteful week

[proven jasper]

[royal lantern]

we all do man

we all do

[wanton spear]

i don't think he has sd tho unless he changed specs from av

[clever sapphire]

i just refuse to do a key above 10

im not playing that affix

[royal lantern]

based

fuck m+

shit mode

[clever sapphire]

its not even about dmg

[royal lantern]

[clever sapphire]

i just like restealth

thats it

[proven jasper]

Just spam the re key when spiteful is coming out

Maybe get lucky

[clever sapphire]

he is running the cleave build, thats pretty much just ST build with ic and spatter

[thorn fjord]

Gotta pad on the little ghost boiz tho

DUH

[wanton spear]

yea was my bad on the ic my brain wasn't braining

[gusty mirage]

Yo same

My brain never brains

Idk how I function day to day ngl

Constant brain fog

[clever sapphire]

routine

[wanton spear]

for some reason my brain thought ic was ct

[clever sapphire]

no brain

all movement

[gusty mirage]

I drink enough caffeine to kill a small child

That helps a bit

[wanton spear]

wife took all my caffiene away except 2 cups of coffee a day, idk how to function anymore

[clever sapphire]

the most messed up thing about zero is the fact that he is running fragment

ah he is also getting pi

i just realised

the benefits of running with a ret pala

[rotund oak]

who is forcing you to remain silent

point him

ill make bacon out of him

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire

[rotund oak]

good as

🔪

[gusty mirage]

make sure you chop him up into small pieces in case george gets hungry

[royal lantern]

george would NEVER

but quake

[hexed willow]

Make those 2 cups of espresso

[gusty mirage]

did she specify how big the cups can be?

otherwise

may I recommend 2 of these

[wanton spear]

they are kuerig size lol

[gusty mirage]

[wanton spear]

whatever the largest setting a kuerig has lol

like 4 cups

[gusty mirage]

12oz x 2

[wanton spear]

like 18

[vestal wren]

wtf is this

[quiet oar]

Big gulp

[gleaming geyser]

there better be some orange crush in that big gulp

[modest spindle]

is it an usual problem that nobody takes you in group in m+?

been trying for 10 minutes

[potent raven]

yes

do ur own keys or premade

unless u were like 3500+ last season its gonna be rough

to pug atm

[modest spindle]

i tried making my own, sat for 10 minutes and all i got was 1 dps invite

[potent raven]

because anything is better than rogue

[modest spindle]

was top dps for an entire full run of dawn on m0 with shadow priest in party (but they most likely sucked)

[potent raven]

yeah

good sps outdps rogues

[spice spire]

Bless

[thorn fjord]

Diabetes in a cup

[gusty mirage]

very very large containers, usually used to contain very sugary beverages

[thorn fjord]

There’s places called Fat Tuesday that sell alcohol slushies in those big ass cups

They get you tanked

[clever sapphire]

zero just went to do hc raid because he wasnt getting invited

almost 3400 already and even he is not getting invited

[thorn fjord]

And wet Willie’s lol

[clever sapphire]

sums up pug experience if you are not mage/priest/evoker

[thorn fjord]

Imagine not inviting zero

[potent raven]

no cuz

no1 wants rogues esp in high keys

hes doing like 16s+

12-14s is doable gl gettng pug invite to 16+

[thorn fjord]

Unfortunate

Meme season really is the meme season

[clever sapphire]

i dunno, this whole addon seemed to have this invite issue imo (not sure about previous addons)

[potent raven]

the biggest meme is ranged being so strong

[clever sapphire]

last season it was okayish because outlaw existed

[potent raven]

and being unnerfed

[thorn fjord]

I was getting invited instantly S3

[clever sapphire]

ye last season

outlaw

my point

[potent raven]

i wasnt but i was doing 26s-27s max

and it was rough

i pugged all my way to 3,5 and didnt find a team

kek

not assa player tho

sub

[thorn fjord]

I got a little shy of 3100

[potent raven]

i mean my mental was in shambles

pugging

[clever sapphire]

i got bored at 3200

[potent raven]

id time keys in 1-2 attempts issue was getting invited

i just set an autistic goal to reach 3500 lol

[clever sapphire]

queue taking longer than doing a key

[potent raven]

and get CE

cuz it was my first season playing

[thorn fjord]

CE is usually all i care about

Full CE this expansion though 🙂

[potent raven]

yep

[thorn fjord]

We had more pulls on Swift/Fyraak combined than the rest of the bosses

Was hard on the mental

[potent raven]

ye ofc

rough bosses

[clever sapphire]

im pretty sure smold alone took more pulls than the 6 bosses before together

[potent raven]

i killed all post nerf so

[thorn fjord]

Yeah that too

[clever sapphire]

and the last 2 had like 4 times the pulls than smold for most guilds

[potent raven]

a lot of guilds disbanded

cuz of last 2 bosses

is what i was hearing haha

they were rly hard ig

[thorn fjord]

smold took us about 245

swift was like 520

Fyr was like 505/510

[clever sapphire]

i just thought about it, but like you could pretty much outgear the first 2 raids, but this raid getting past the last 3 still takes more than gear

because its all about oneshots

[thorn fjord]

Wait no Fyraak was 472

[potent raven]

i see

pretty crazy

i love raiding tho so im down to pull the boss 1000 times

but my current guild is alright so that wont happen

[clever sapphire]

478 fyrak, 387 tindral for us

[thorn fjord]

Every other boss before smold was less than 40 pulls

[clever sapphire]

we killed tindral just before the 10% nerf

our hardest boss before smold was council with 31

[potent raven]

i was in multiple guilds so i have low pulls lol

[thorn fjord]

22 for us on council

[gilded oasis]

hey we did 22 also

[clever sapphire]

i think after we actually assigned 2 people to ducks it took like 5 pulls

before that we were just winging it

[thorn fjord]

Oh yeah that'll do it

[clever sapphire]

realised a bit late that it wont work without the duck duck job

[thorn fjord]

We had our aug and disc priest handle ducks

[clever sapphire]

we just have 2 bm hunters

putting a healer on priest is insane tho

you only got 4 of those and you are making one into a duck

[gilded oasis]

we did a healer and aug too

[clever sapphire]

disc must hate council in your guild

[thorn fjord]

he didnt want to heal to begin with but we lost 2 core healers from last tier

And spriest was kinda meh

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-quack-squawk-squawking-honk-gif-19638612

[thorn fjord]

Top tier bird

[royal lantern]

whats bottom tier

[wicked valve]

Pidgeons, but they like it that way.

[thorn fjord]

Prob a pigeon

[wicked valve]

twins?

[thorn fjord]

YEE

[ember mural]

Seagull

[wicked valve]

Hard pass. Seagulls have the best cry, and they steal dummies food.

[thorn fjord]

Crows are dick heads too

[wicked valve]

aka mine. They stole my crackers when I was 5. loved them ever sincwe

[runic hinge]

crows are S tier

[clever sapphire]

crows are the best

[thorn fjord]

I remember being in highshool watching a Crow attack my neighbor and his Rottweiler on their walks across the street

Was hilarious

[bright turret]

corvids are the best birds, smart as parrots, but not nearly as destructive and loud

[keen tundra]

What is zeros stream

[thorn fjord]

Prob not too many people streaming wow

Can prob just check twitch wow channel

[clever sapphire]

just look for a rogue

there arent really many melee pov-s

most of them are casters

[thorn fjord]

Yeah just look for any rogue that’s not Pika

Jpc hasn’t been streaming

[safe wigeon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

thats stuart slander right @runic hinge

[gilded oasis]

yeah I love covid too

[indigo epoch]

Wasn't there a command for an image of the correct opener for assas? (Multiple targets)

[limber lion]

Wowhead has all of that

Don't think we do

[indigo epoch]

Okie ty

[runic hinge]

Stuart is loud and destructive for sure. But he’s pretty smart about it

[limber lion]

There's some pretty graphics for the other specs

But Wowhead kinda already does all of that, so it's kinda pointless

[subtle cipher]

thoughts on sin talent changes?

[grim jay]

#tww-assassination

[fossil shell]

So we run CT this season in keys?

[royal lantern]

we always used CT in keys lol

[royal lantern]

some good cooking

[grim jay]

tbf the changes are pretty good, but how it will play out remains to be seen. I kinda liked the big burst and while dm is still really strong, it will be less bursty, which might not be good overall more often than not

[digital folio]

I mean I don't always use CT in my keys, especially in Tyra

Tier set and caustic does enough in aoe

[fossil shell]

yep in higher keys the setup was too slow

we ran the raid cleave build last season so no CT

[dark token]

Ye I tried cleave build this week for tyrannical and wanted to off myself

AP shock much better

Sub much better

Shit gets one tapped by warlocks and spriest doing 2.5m dps

You are completely useless

Go a build with CT sudden demise so they at least expire

[ivory flower]

But if you go CT you don't have enough ST for tyra keys

[fossil shell]

Agree

I think cleave build for tyra weeks better

[ivory flower]

Like you have to make a choice, play the meters or play the key

[fossil shell]

CT sucks to play but makes sense we can run this season on fort weeks

[dark token]

Cleave build has like fucking 3% more st

Wow

So big

[clever sapphire]

if you have 2 casters or a monk/ret just go cleave

feck aoe, not like you get to do any of it

[ivory flower]

Just one tap the mob who can fuk the pull

[fossil shell]

and cleave build just plays faster

[dark token]

Completely garbage build I can do 600k overall as sub

And 350k as cleave build assa

[ivory flower]

Play sub so

[dark token]

If you don't take CT don't play assa in keys

Ur inting ur team

[ivory flower]

Oh I forgot your name

[clever sapphire]

im playing cleave when im playing with a bm and windwalker

[ivory flower]

Xd

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

i dont care about doing dmg to the small mobs that dont even do anything

[ivory flower]

You could go ct if you have a fire mago in your team

[clever sapphire]

lets be real for a second, we are playing rogue, thats already inting the key

[ivory flower]

Or spriest

True

[clever sapphire]

just play what you want and thats it

have fun

i personally hop around shock and cleave

depending on key and group

and how i feel in that moment

[fossil shell]

I haven't even started pushing I'm still gearing so I think in lower keys its gonna feel better to run the cleave build

in higher keys fort week, CT will be nice

[clever sapphire]

lower keys its probably even more the shock

for sudden demise

cleave build is more centered around your cooldown on 1 mob

which wont happen in a low key

[fossil shell]

I'll just have ot get used to it again then, last season not running it became too convenient

since we're running same tier, why do we run CT this season? did sudden demise get buffed? did something change?

[clever sapphire]

nothing changed, we were running CT also last season

[fossil shell]

I never saw any top sin rogues running it last season, every time I checked they were running cleave build, I got to 3100 last season also running it

[clever sapphire]

ye

top sin

you know

high keys

where cleave is beneficial because mobs live

[fossil shell]

lol

but yeah its not like 3100 is top tier but its not shit so that's why I'm not used to running CT then

i woulda pushed higher but got a gf smh

[clever sapphire]

tbf CT was probalby the better build up to 24-25s

people just went to cleave because it was easier

[fossil shell]

In theory you'd think so tbh, it just didn't happen i guess

I think so, its less clunky to play cus its one less think to manage

[clever sapphire]

i mean CT is not really hard to manage

press once every 10 sec or so

[fossil shell]

its not, its just that we ramp so slow to have one more spender in opener means you gotta have less adhd and wait to go through the long opener

[agile wedge]

are those builds you are talking about on wowhead?

[clever sapphire]

welp no idea, i was doin my 23-24s and was switching around shock and cleave like this season

[clever sapphire]

should be

[fossil shell]

I think its to what you're saying, most sin rogues up there just went cleave cus easier and faster, I probably coulda went CT at times

[clever sapphire]

also it just feels nice to go into a pull

spread 5 garrote/ruptures

and demolish that shitty tree in bracken

[fossil shell]

I don't doubt rogues up there were running CT, just didn't look hard enough, mind you i don't check raider io that often to keep up with changes or patterns

[clever sapphire]

or whatever your choice of hatred is

[ivory flower]

Lowkeys just go arterial, when I say lowkeys I mean under11 with our stuff atm

[clever sapphire]

im doin even 8s with cleave

[old halo]

sudden demise is hitting hard in low keys and is pretty fun build

[balmy condor]

oh so you hate yourself

[clever sapphire]

i play keys, i play keys with a bm and windwalker

yes, yes i do

sometimes i ask them if i should just go afk

[agile wedge]

wait the only difference between st and cleave build is caustic? 😄

or am i stupid

[clever sapphire]

ic/iron wire

i think

[agile wedge]

oh that was for raid

below is a whole bunch of mplus builds

[proud dust]

are raidbots sims working correctly for buffed sin?

[balmy condor]

yes

[blissful elk]

Hey Peeps what build are you playing this week on 8+?

[serene vale]

i'm thinking of getting a dagger with bullion. there is a decent chance that i'd get the dream carver from mythic in the future so i was wondering if it's work spending the bullion on a non vers dagger and those are only the cinderblade and the fang of the sundered blade, i'm wondering if i'm thinking about this too hard and which would be the better of the two

[hexed willow]

Lotta options for daggers out there. Eranog ring, grieftorch, and ashes are all very good, contested and gave no equivalent

Daggers have also no competition besides other rogues

[serene vale]

ok, i have ashes and was thinking getting eranog ring next week, maybe i'll get that now and try for some daggers elsewhere ty

[modest spindle]

is this class able to solo shadowlands (nathria) raids? at around 500 ilvl

[balmy condor]

probably not

[modest spindle]

damn

[balmy condor]

it's last expansions content

on a dps

[junior aurora]

need to be a tank probably, like prot pala can prob do it

[balmy condor]

yeh

tanks can do it much earlier

[modest spindle]

saw a clip of a monk doing it

makes sense

[junior aurora]

rogue can barely solo current world content when its fresh

[balmy condor]

usually for dps you'd have to wait until the expansion after

[junior aurora]

let alone a raid

[modest spindle]

blood dk or dh maybe too?

[balmy condor]

all the tanks could

[modest spindle]

alright

[balmy condor]

dps just doesn't have the sustain/defensives to survive stuff

[modest spindle]

yeah makes sense

[balmy condor]

would die to the first tank slam

[junior aurora]

for reference it took until this patch and blizz nerfing it for dps to solo bfa content

[modest spindle]

oh you can solo it?

raids on mythic?

[balmy condor]

BFA

[modest spindle]

yeah

[balmy condor]

the expansion before

yeah

[modest spindle]

that's something

ok

[balmy condor]

usually that's the timeline

[junior aurora]

cant do ghuun or nzoth though

[balmy condor]

like in 10.0 you typically can try to do 8.0 content solo as a dps

11.0 would be 9.0

[modest spindle]

but if i wanna farm SL raids for transmog with groups (there's always group in group finder), am i expected to know the mechanics or how does it work in this patch?

don't wanna go in there and fuck it up

[balmy condor]

I would assume if you go in with a group you wouldn't need to know mechanics

[modest spindle]

ok

[balmy condor]

with a group the bosses would fall over in like 15 seconds

[modest spindle]

that's alright

[balmy condor]

well

[modest spindle]

also what's up with people perma farming molten core??

[balmy condor]

maybe you'd need to know mythic sylv mechanics

she goes immune I guess

[modest spindle]

ok i'll look it up, ty

[balmy condor]

no clue honestly

[modest spindle]

maybe some gold farm?

[balmy condor]

I think like a good 95% of this server doesn't touch old content past running an old raid for a mount or a mog

there's probably some gold strat or something

[modest spindle]

strange, i'm not a big wow gamer but in my couple of months of playtime i've never seen like 6-7 groups of molten core in group finder till recently

[runic hinge]

I heard the molten core groups was like a secret boosting thing

And it’s just listed as Mc

[gusty mirage]

Did Stuart put you up to this?

Big Stu averting our suspicion from the lucrative molten core farming?

[runic hinge]

Big Stu needs to avert my attention from his cabinet chewing

[potent raven]

playing ct on tyra week

[balmy condor]

based

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

Should seen the stink eye he was giving after getting put in the cage early for, chewing on the dishwasher, chewing on the cabinet next to the dishwasher, jump attacking my gfs ankles and chasing me around the kitchen trying to get me too.

[gusty mirage]

I feel like he’s grown too powerful

[runic hinge]

He hasn’t even been chasing golf balls anymore. Only ankles.

He giggles while doing it too

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

allright, thats a new one

started a key, 20sec into it EVERYONE got a DC, all got ported back too the entrance and the "pre key start" barricade was there and didnt go away anymore

[normal mist]

nice i guess

[woeful meteor]

I assume it wasn't brakenhide where it doesnt matter

[scenic nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[high jetty]

We had the same thing in BH 3 hours ago

I wonder if its a BH problem..

[willow grotto]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

it was academy

not BH

[high jetty]

ooh. Me read good.

[scenic nacelle]

just happened again with roll backs on the last 2 keys I did

[shy pecan]

Yeah, something weird is going on with encounters

[foggy juniper]

yep

game is on beta guys chill

indie studio

stop being so harsh with microsoft games

[ashen topaz]

i just got crash at rlp first boss and when we logged back in the dungeon was empty? lol

[foggy juniper]

same

crashed on a 12, empty dg

[short sedge]

Guys we got 4 bullions total this week righT?

Guildie told me not to turn in the weekly dungeon quest until I got bullions from raid

not sure how valid this is

[junior aurora]

should have 5

[keen spruce]

It was a bug on Tuesday not sure if it’s still going on

[junior aurora]

you can turn in

[keen spruce]

I’d assume it’s fine now

[junior aurora]

that bug never existed supposedly, nobody could recreate it

[keen spruce]

[short sedge]

alright coolio

[fair jungle]

got a crash on a baby key gearing up an amigo, finished it for shits on login zero reward

also any sin brothers get randomly unstealthed in mythics? maybe im doing something wrong? small indie company?

[royal lantern]

you have the sark cloak?

[balmy condor]

mistweaker statue or sark cloak typically

[royal lantern]

or a mw monk healing with statue

aaayyyyy, smol minds think alike

[woeful meteor]

evoker legendary

[dark shoal]

neltharion trinket is simming good in dungeon slice hum

[balmy condor]

true

it does

[dark shoal]

should i sacrifice myself and try it out? lol

[brave zenith]

i think its a sim trap

[old halo]

tormboon or grieftorch 2nd?

[brave zenith]

its prov doesmt happen a lot

[old halo]

storm

do both content

[balmy condor]

most just play grief everywhere

[balmy condor]

that doesn't mean it's bad lmao

[dark shoal]

yea I read that, but how can't it proc that much if it's still bis on sp for example

[balmy condor]

the proc is insanely strong

[old halo]

kk, true dps die all the time

[dark shoal]

we apply so much shit on mobs

[balmy condor]

because that's not how procs work

[brave zenith]

i thought it didnt proc alot thats why we werent focused on getting it

[balmy condor]

it doesn't proc a lot

[runic hinge]

It just procs randomly af

[old halo]

nah my guild sux, they die

[balmy condor]

but it's still very good

there's just better

low procs doesn't mean something is bad

it just makes it inconsistent

that's why we have sims

to see how things are on average

[dark shoal]

no fixed window i see

[brave zenith]

@balmy condor ur right i phrased it wrong it feels bad to have proc trinkets in keys when our burst windows are most of our damage.

[fair jungle]

i do, that be it huh

[wicked zodiac]

guys this is my sub stats. Its playable on sin ??

[thorny rain]

is anyone taking CT for M+?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[wicked zodiac]

this one

[normal mist]

Anything is fine

just sim your gear

Sin wants all 4 stats balanced

Once a stat is way above the rest, the other stats gain value

[shy pecan]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[normal mist]

that would have been so much easier 2 mins ago

[wicked zodiac]

ok

[hollow wren]

That's mean my second emblishment doesnt work all this time?...

[thorn fjord]

Got hoodwinked by blizzard

[hollow wren]

I should start to look at stats or on all before gearing something

[thorn fjord]

It’s a casual season anyway

No harm no foul

Keep having to remind myself that it’s a casual season tbh lolol

[hollow wren]

Its my season backing to assa so for me is not casual

[thorn fjord]

Get that practice in before tww

[languid pawn]

Is their any way to determine when running a sim, what rune for weapon is chosen? its currently set to SimC default but when you look at the results i never see which one was chosen... sorry if have been asked before.

[balmy condor]

It worked but it bugged sometimes and people had to take damage and re-equip and shit

[balmy condor]

It defaults to double crit

You can change it in the dropdown, there also an advanced sim you can run using an input from #tc-research if you want to compare them all at once

But generally isn’t needed

Haste/mast/crit runes are all good

As long as you use runes, it’s good

The specific rune isn’t important

[languid pawn]

appreciate it, ty.

[indigo epoch]

!dreamcarver

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[versed mica]

Mechanical is best don't @ me

[dark token]

nah its demon

or human

[shy pecan]

Dragonkin

[versed mica]

I'll take dragonkin as an acceptable answer

[thorn fjord]

This is the only proper choice

Fastvboizzzz

[versed mica]

Why is the humanoid one have a worgen pic

Would be better to have a basic human

Classic WoW human even

[wind pendant]

dragon is actually 10% on the tooltip. i used it for kicks and was surprised

[versed mica]

Wait fr??

[dark token]

the chart doesnt match what buffs do

the buff tooltips dont even match what buffs do

[versed mica]

5% is meh

[spice surge]

Dragon is def the most useful now

[versed mica]

But 10%???

That's cookin

[spice surge]

Its 10% if youve explored the continent iirc

[versed mica]

Lmao what

[spice surge]

"but what does that mean for dungeons or raids?"

I dont fucking know

[wind pendant]

oh there it is

doesnt show that second sentence in game

[shy pecan]

[versed mica]

[restive falcon]

critter bis

[serene mason]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[dark token]

found a very marginally better set of gear that lets us take the diurna ring for absorb shield + more stamina (and more bsl uptime as a result), idk if people care about BIS sims but ye https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s52MLckGFZkfyvuTUTwkv4

the shield would be cool to have

[thorn fjord]

Nice

How often is your guild raiding this season @dark token

[spice surge]

Shield is more BSL uptime, atleast in theory

def worthwhile to have the ring

[thorn fjord]

So the crafted gear text will also include BSL with their respective crafted piece?

[vast loom]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[inner swift]

is 40 42 precent crit overkill? ( sims aside )

[balmy condor]

There is no good way to answer that question

[inner swift]

because all my sims are pointing out items with verse on it

confused abit

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[near osprey]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[rocky sluice]

deathmarrk on pull?

or save on intermission

sorry, smolderon

[dark token]

We clear awakened mythic Wednesday then doing heroic boost + fyrakk mount boost sunday

[dark token]

Lorrgs.io

Can show you where to use cooldowns

[half gazelle]

Hi, sorry to ask - which buff am I going for on Cruel Dreamcarver?

[balmy condor]

Whichever you think looks the funniest

Most go mechanical or dragonkin

[half gazelle]

does that speed boost still apply in raids/dungeon content or only outdoors?

[balmy condor]

It still applies

[half gazelle]

cool cool, thank you ❤️

[celest helm]

seeing this in pins but then none of the top m+ rogues are using it, any idea why

[junior aurora]

it’s tyrannical

[celest helm]

that wouldnt effect much imo though still if i remember correctly it was still played tyr weeks i think in S1? might be wrong tho

[drifting cloud]

most people prob also arent spending bullions on it yet

[celest helm]

that makes sense, assuming most assa keystoners prob raid as assa as well so torch and ashes first buys

[balmy condor]

it's also real awkward to play

and grief already does aoe

and even more single target

them mplussers go bananas for single target

[versed mica]

Really? I always get wedgies, swirlies, and get my lunch money taken in the outlaw discord when I talk about ST damage in keys

[runic hinge]

Damn wait til they find out about raiding

[balmy condor]

it's a 50/50 depending on who's awake at the time

but typically around here if you even consider CT on a tyrannical week you get put on tribunal

it's either "build doesn't matter idk play whatever" or "how could you even consider not playing this maxed out juiced single target build, anything else is -2% single target and you're a CLOWN"

[slate crown]

clowns love to call people clowns

[runic hinge]

Takes one to know one

Wait

Where the fuck is my discord picture border

Wow I can’t even buy it either

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

I am no longer a clown

Discord has taken my identity and thrown it in the trash

[gilded oasis]

@spice spire happy Friday hope you good

[runic hinge]

@spice spire happy birthday

[gilded oasis]

I feel like you're lying but I'm drink so it's ok

[prisma vortex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gilded oasis]

[runic hinge]

[gilded oasis]

🍻

[runic hinge]

[gilded oasis]

I'm gonna see concert

[runic hinge]

I did that Sunday. It was good

[gilded oasis]

Who you see

[runic hinge]

Bayside and armor for sleep

[gilded oasis]

Poggers

[runic hinge]

Who are you seeing

[gilded oasis]

Pat Benetar

[true condor]

gm sin

i learn how to pool energy from master whispyr last night before sleep

[twin finch]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[runic hinge]

No way. I love her

[gilded oasis]

Ya it's been great she's one of my mom's. Faves

She sounds great for 71

Lmfao

[keen spruce]

Who lives in the north half of the US and are you gonna go check out the aurora toniggt

Might go drive out here

[halcyon hamlet]

Oh damn, I was expecting puzzle box to be stronger

[junior aurora]

sim ashes too

but yea puzzlebox not great

[balmy condor]

puzzlebox post nerf kinda ass

irideus can be good but it's 3min

so also kinda ass

[junior aurora]

and the spec works on 2 min cds, so

kinda ass

[slate crown]

can't see shit from my window but I'm in a city and not prepared to drive anywhere rn

[subtle cipher]

i have 10x easier time to join 9-10m+ with my war/ret than with my rogue that has higher ilvl and rank lol

wtf

[gilded oasis]

Ur asss

[subtle cipher]

puzzle box aka shitbox

[true condor]

will it do great bad impact when i miss envenom

like i always use it after the buff expire for like 1s

[runic hinge]

Hopefully can see it on my drive home

[spice spire]

@runic hinge @gilded oasis Hi friends hope you had a glorious Friday

[rotund oak]

yo dont terrorize my man @gusty mirage

🔪

[spice spire]

No

[runic hinge]

I think I missed the northern lights

[gilded oasis]

I'm litty I'm gooood

[subtle cipher]

there is any list of classes that most benefit from pi?

[true condor]

hi quake lord

so fun sin

[spice spire]

I’ve returned mister reality

Eating then logs

[true condor]

OK

so night lord

its 2am for u right

[runic hinge]

Hell Yeha it is

[true condor]

i need to go to hospital 1 hrs later

[runic hinge]

Why

[true condor]

stummy got some skill issue

need to fix it

[runic hinge]

Lmfao I know that game

[true condor]

nah its real bro

real hospital

[runic hinge]

My stummy always got a skill issue

[true condor]

[runic hinge]

Is what I mean

[true condor]

yes but i wish i wont get stummy cancer tho

[runic hinge]

Same

[true condor]

with it suffered

[runic hinge]

Maybe everything will be alright. And we’ll go back to being sin rogues

[true condor]

i practice dummy for 10 mins

looks dmg so low

i feel like i only can do 4-5 envenom in KB

[runic hinge]

Dummies might be a bit broken

[true condor]

yea bc its like no raid buff right

[runic hinge]

no I think they've been bugged

[balmy condor]

250k on dummy

doesn't sound that bad right

idk what numbers are

could be fake news

but seems okay

[copper moth]

MHM

[balmy condor]

yuck

seeing a big green arrow and still needing to play branch

is real demoralizing

[copper moth]

box is just dumb cause of cast right

[balmy condor]

box is dumb cause it's bad

just straight up

[runic hinge]

it's also a 3 minute cd which doesn't line up with our cds and is longer than our cds last

[balmy condor]

unholy dk abused it so hard in season 1 they obliterated that shit

nerfed into the ground

[copper moth]

k so branch till grieftorch

[balmy condor]

branch till high ilvl ashes

grieftorch is the other slot

[runic hinge]

I want nelth trinket but I want shmeeps rng

[gilded oasis]

@spice spire hello

[spice spire]

@gilded oasis Hi

How’s it going

[magic fossil]

guys, stats weight in raidbots wont work properly, anyone know any other tool for see stats weight?

[spice spire]

Stat weights are constantly changing. It’s best to just use top gear to figure it out frankly

[magic fossil]

at this point just sim every single new item right

thanks man

[spice spire]

Anytime homie

[balmy condor]

I mean stat weights are the same thing

Even more so actually

Change any piece of gear and you gotta rerun the stat weight

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

You good man?

[gilded oasis]

[runic hinge]

drink some water before bed

I know how the old people hangovers go

[gilded oasis]

Yeah ive had water and Advil and Excedrin. I didn't drink that much I did have to drive

Now I've got willow

[runic hinge]

:willowhello:

[gilded oasis]

[runic hinge]

I'll have a beer since it's friday

[spice spire]

I’m glad you’re safe homie

Send Willow

[runic hinge]

One beer

(it's not beer)

[spice spire]

Love her Ty

[gilded oasis]

The mods are asleep they won't see this

[runic hinge]

wow she sounds really good

[gilded oasis]

Yeah she looked and sounded really good still. I'm amazed at some of the people I've seen who still sound fuckin good

[balmy condor]

I love Adele

[junior aurora]

i also roll in my sleep

[indigo girder]

quick question; with DtB talented, do i run 3 or 4 poisons ST?

[normal mist]

if you have dtb

you run 4 poisons

[indigo girder]

alright

[normal mist]

why only use 75% of the talent's power

also, not only in ST, but always .

[indigo girder]

check!

[rough moss]

Hi guys, two question
To play with bloodkeeper ring I have to play rolling shadowflame right ? With the 2nd embellishment, should I play the toxic boots or the mastery embellishment ?

[normal mist]

no

Your head enchant is enough to proc the rings

you want to run double BLS

or, if you also play outlaw, double shadowflame

[rough moss]

I don’t have the head enchant yet cause I didn’t play on s3

But y I switch outlaw for dungeons

[normal mist]

I was pretty sure they just did a catch up mechanism so people get their enchant, and its amidrassil week so i wonder if you can't just get it

[rough moss]

Oh ok im gonna check this thanks

No catch up, but no weekly cap

[true condor]

i love adele too before she lost all her weight

makes me feel like most of the deep in her voice gone

[indigo girder]

so, a friend told me the Sarkareth Dagger > Igira Dagger with Nick of Time (Offhand) ?
but why is every guide telling me Igira Dagger is the most valueable one

[magic fossil]

with stats weight its easier to me to know what i have to spare, what i need to improve. In the end sin is running around 70 80% mastery 30 40% critical, i'll try to reach something between that

[grim jay]

if you are just going about your business and dont really care to minmax, thats just fine, but neither going for specific stat setups, nor going for statweights is a good and efficient way

[normal mist]

they all have the same ilvl so its a matter of stats

[grim jay]

and the stats on daggers typically dont matter much

but igira dagger has a gimmick atleast

[indigo girder]

and its the 2nd boss, not Sark KEKW

[grim jay]

I mean you wanna take every opportunity, beside using your bullion unless you have the ring and trinkets already, to take a mythic one anyways

[indigo girder]

ah for bullions its trinkets and ring > weapon?

[grim jay]

vault chances are decent and its 1st boss 2nd boss 3rd boss in the 3 raids

[grim jay]

imo trinkets/ring are harder to obtain for many and you can just farm a heroic weapon with decent mythic weapon odds later even for people without guilds

[indigo girder]

aye

[balmy condor]

That’s… not how stat weights work

[grim jay]

pugging 1-3 bosses mythic is usually easy

[torn atlas]

Yeah I fresh leveled another rogue at the end of S3 and got the enchant in a single run.

[normal mist]

thank you for confirming good sir

[torn atlas]

But that might be seasonal based too. Who knows with how they been messing everything up at the moment

[balmy condor]

Stat weights blindly add X stat to your character and compare the two results. It says nothing about the effects of CHANGING stats, nor does it say anything about the effects of the removal of any stat

So using it as a guideline for what to gain or lose

[grim jay]

its a full run and like 2-3 bosses

now

[balmy condor]

Is completely antithetical to its methodology

[indigo girder]

can also confirm, 1 run to complete quest for enchant

[normal mist]

Lets go!

[indigo girder]

if u r unlike like davyn said, u prolly need 1-2 more bosses after the fullrun

but thats w/e

[balmy condor]

At the end of the day, if you want to run stat weights

I can’t stop you

[normal mist]

OR CAN YOU

[balmy condor]

But I can at least hope to inform you that you’re doing more work for less accurate results

And if that’s what you’re interested in

More power to you

There’s a reason Raidbots keeps hiding it

And its not cause it’s the best thing ever created and everyone should be using it :P

[magic fossil]

it was for me, help me along a lot of years to make little adjustments in my character, but u right, u know more than me, will try to learn better,. Thank you for ur time.

[balmy condor]

change is good

[magic fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/traduun-gif-27169151

[grim jay]

change is just there to weigh down your pocket

change my mind

[torn atlas]

Wouldn't that weight down your thoughts then

[grim jay]

saturday starting off great. already wrote something stupid enough for whispyr to start typing and then abandoning it

[grim jay]

based

I mean in actuality it kinda does, if you change someones mind he needs to think about it intensely, so the thoughts weigh down his mind in some way

damn you are a genius

[limber lion]

It's too early for all this mindfuckery

[balmy condor]

change is there to suck ass to count at the end of a shift

[quiet oar]

[normal mist]

as a former cashier, i felt this

[grim jay]

wait, how did they manage to reduce buttons on bear druid even further

[quiet oar]

Was you Nickname, "Cash royal"

[grim jay]

wtf is that spec

[quiet oar]

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-good-damn-good-that-is-actually-gif-18346670

[lyric vale]

guys if someone has good log on raid can u send ur sim here:)

[grim jay]

help us understand your reasoning

[lyric vale]

XD

sim is showing me 225k per sec its so low and state weight its saying u need more haste idk whre else should i get more haste

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

you dont sim statweights

you sim the gear you have and see if there is something better

people with high logs probably all sim around 330k+ rn

[limber lion]

Stats do not matter

Did you not see the MASSIVE YELLOW BOX that says you shouldn't look at them

You literally have to go out of your way and ignore every warning to sim stat weights

Small tiny link that's a bit hidden

Massive disclaimers

When is it enough

[lyric vale]

so i should just place item simc then place item sim till it get high?

[grim jay]

they should just remove the option tbf

[limber lion]

They should.

[grim jay]

you use the simc addon, type /simc and copy that into the "top gear" raidbots option

[limber lion]

What, just use Top Gear

[lyric vale]

doing that:)

[lyric vale]

got it

[indigo mulch]

Is there a catchup mechanic on bullions?

[balmy condor]

no

[indigo mulch]

Rip my vaccination

[normal mist]

i mean, besides the quest that is available this week, yes

[balmy condor]

I was told no

how do they catch up

[normal mist]

imagine you didnt play for 3 weeks

you can now drop 3 instead of 1

[balmy condor]

so like sparks?

[normal mist]

yeah

[balmy condor]

hm

could've sworn they didnt add that but would make sense

[normal mist]

It's important to mention that this week quest should NOT be part of the weekly bullions, which means we should only have 3 this week

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/best-bullion-purchases-for-all-classes-in-dragonflight-season-4-raid-loot

[balmy condor]

crazy

[normal mist]

Alts this season will be nuts

1 catalyst per week aswell

[gusty mirage]

I hope they continue to carry this approach to everything moving forward

More alt friendly stuff please

[normal mist]

Absolutely, you can just say "well time for X alt now" and be able to 4set and buy like 3/4 bullion items in a week

Also, the bullion vendor SHOULD be a thing on regular seasons

[rough moss]

Not at the beginning but at the mid season I couldn’t agree more

And yea, if you do this week quest, and then pop your alt in 3 week you can buy 4 bullion item and 4 crafted gear

It’s insane

[normal mist]

nearing the end of the season

imma just run LFR with alts and buy all the cool weapon tmogs

[rough moss]

Now that the season are 6 months, getting the opportunity to do this after 3 months is not game breaker

[quiet oar]

Do you really believe in that?

[royal lantern]

lol no

atleast not nearly like it is rn bruh

"kill 2 bosses on LFR 1x a week and enjoy your max level item" is not a good thing

[normal mist]

you cant have it maxed if you dont do content

and its not fun to play like many rogues did, during SL S2, months on end and no dagger

[indigo mulch]

I think there should be some form of badluck protection. Having to kill that boss 30 times for that one item makes me sad.

[normal mist]

I remember i dropped my first Edge of Night week 15

[quiet oar]

Can do it like, getting a "buillon Dinar" item every Mythic dungeon event, and you can upgrade it to the path, you killed the boss on

So you killed the boss only on heroic?

can only upgrade to 522

[royal lantern]

i mean, im in general a big enemy of "just let me buy things from a vendor" approaches

cus that just puts stuff on a timer

see: S2 that was legit dead when everyone realised that crafted gear made everything else pointless

[indigo mulch]

Yeah but also having to do sylv 20 times for dagger is meh aswell

[royal lantern]

there is a approach bettwen "rare item that you never see at all cus of bad luck" and "just let me buy from a vendor after doing it 3x"

[indigo mulch]

Agreed

[royal lantern]

and mate, im a guy that NEVER dropped the sylvanas dagger on any difficulty

trust me, i know how shit it can feel

still think its wrong

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, but they can add something like, if you already have it it can't drop again

To increase the chance that you actually get what your looking for

Something like that.

[clever sapphire]

Thats me with eranog ring

Make me kill a boss 5-6 tines or so

After that i can buy one of his items on the ilvl i killed him

[royal lantern]

then you still just created a "timegated shopping list"

which is proven over and over again to be a bad thing for the overall health of the game

[cursive owl]

good meowning :3

[clever sapphire]

Well its better than wait until i get my free loot imo, cause than i atleast have to work for my loot

I mean sure its timegated

And shit

[cursive owl]

guys i need help, is this boot imbuemend still bis ?

[normal mist]

no

[cursive owl]

oh ok 😄

[cursive owl]

so O_O ? whats now good with 2 embellishments ?

[royal lantern]

like it says here, 2x blue silk

[cursive owl]

i see

diurnas choosen gets procced by the Helmet enchant O_O ?

[normal mist]

Yall should really check the pins once in a while 😛

[grim jay]

yeah they should make separate bullions for seperate difficulties

and only unlock gear to purchase of bosses you killed

[cursive owl]

ill go check the pins UwU

[clever sapphire]

The S3 enchant procs as fire dmg

[cursive owl]

which one is this ?

[normal mist]

head one

[clever sapphire]

The raid quest

[royal lantern]

the head enchant

[grim jay]

just what you said

[cursive owl]

?

[grim jay]

actually

[normal mist]

yes

[clever sapphire]

Ya that one

[cursive owl]

OK

ty ♥

[grim jay]

ngl my motivation just isnt there to do the weekly quest on my alts

but I guess I gotta do what I gotta do

[clever sapphire]

Im also thinking if i just wont do it and miss out on one bullion item

Cause its whatever

Most classes take 2 bullion items

[normal mist]

actually same lol

[clever sapphire]

Rest is just whatever

[royal lantern]

thats the problem

playing alts

instead of only playing rogue

[clever sapphire]

My alts are 2 more rogues

[royal lantern]

why hate yourself and playing MORE wow

[grim jay]

could also pay 300k for 4 m+2

[clever sapphire]

One sub which is 470, and outlaw which is 450 (you can see which spec i like the most seeing as my main is assa with 516 or so)

[clever sapphire]

I dont have 150k on all my chars together

The most money i made during the whole of dragonflight was a few weeks ago when a guildie spared me 100k so i could rep on fyrakk

[grim jay]

do you already hear the whispers getting louder?

telling you to buy a token?

[clever sapphire]

Nah

[cursive owl]

where do i get sparks O_O ?

[normal mist]

weekly quest

center of valdrakken

[cursive owl]

with the 2 bronce stones ?

[normal mist]

In case you missed a week, half spark will drop from content

[clever sapphire]

Also i think 3 should drop from random content from the previous weeks if you didnt do the quest there

[grim jay]

no way I can tank m0 with 410 ilvl right?

[normal mist]

not that one

the dragon on the other side

of the fountain

[clever sapphire]

Which class is the question

Dh? Probably easy

[fallen ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[grim jay]

as if I would play a Dh

green rogue is the class

[clever sapphire]

Well why else would you play a tank

[grim jay]

just to get dungeons quicker

[clever sapphire]

Thats actually fair

I also thought about playing a tank

So that i can spend more time in keys than in the queue

[grim jay]

well I have a group for m+

I do mainly tank with my bdk if I feel like tanking

and I usually dont do melee dps alts

because if I wanna play melee dps I could aswell just play my rogue

I currently just dont feel like pushing tho, since there still might be balancing in 1-2 weeks, I dont have the stuff I want (next week I do) and my heal has his meta slave phase

where peoples (like dorki) words are god given edicts and every 2nd sentence of his is like "but if xy were to play...." 😄

[royal lantern]

ngl

if i had the option to tank, i would probs do it

i just dont really vibe with any of the tank classes avaible

[grim jay]

idk brewmaster is fun but bad

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294

ranged

[grim jay]

and personally I always liked bdk

[grim jay]

only mage

😄

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-ltg-mods-low-tier-god-mods-balls-gif-6304382572771063267

[clever sapphire]

I dont feel like pushing because i get another affix for 10+ keys

[grim jay]

shadow is kinda fun aswell since it kinda is a ranged sin

[royal lantern]

until the next rework

[grim jay]

but the fotm is strong

[grim jay]

yeah that aswell

[clever sapphire]

Shadow is kinda fun aswell since its broken* (95% of shadow players currently wont admit this fact)

[royal lantern]

95%% of shadowplayers didnt play shadow before this patch

[clever sapphire]

Brew seemed fun to me at first, but having so many buttons just to be a worse dh made me not wanna play it

[royal lantern]

shadow always jumps bettwen "nobody plays it" and "its OP and all the FotM guys flock to it"

[royal lantern]

tbf, veng dh needs a nuke

cus its so stupid lol

[grim jay]

I just personally like it, just the fact that some skills still have holy visuals and the constant reworks is kinda eh

[royal lantern]

double sigils is a mistake

[grim jay]

one DH specs needs to be broken

its natural order

[clever sapphire]

Havoc is broken in pvp according to pika video recommendations on youtube

[grim jay]

pvp

[clever sapphire]

I like how if you ask a tank about the tank specs, the answer is every tank is okay, vdh is just so broken it makes other tanks seem shit

If they admit it atleast

[clever sapphire]

Ye i dunno, i dont pvp

[grim jay]

I mean its seperate balancing

and there are more often than not the same broken classes

I literally flew through one ball

[cursive owl]

i gues too much crit hum 😒 ?

[royal lantern]

ye

the problem is just

double sigils is legit broken by default

and on the tankyness side, veng dh is also rn just "take prot paladin+blood dk and mash the best parts togheter" with no real downside

except "a bit bad at getting ranged aggro" i gues

if you can count that as a downside at all lol

like, the "nerf" they did there? did fuck all lol

the problem is that the entire double sigil thing is stupid by itself

[limber lion]

Anything between 0-100% is good.

Literally does not matter

[fervent rune]

whens the best time to use ashes? after KB?

[royal lantern]

macro with kb

[gusty mirage]

I’ll fly through your balls

Wait what

[rough moss]

Simple question but, between KB the only thing to do is to refresh both garrot and rupture and Envenom between, right ?

[royal lantern]

chain envenoms, but yeha

[rough moss]

Is it worth enough to manage energy for sanguine blade or just maximizing Envenoms ?

[royal lantern]

ignore poopy blades

keep envenom buff running

[rough moss]

Okey thanks

[safe locust]

hey an when do you use your Cruel Dreamcarver ?

[balmy condor]

once to pick the buff and then never again

[safe locust]

so on combat start ?

[balmy condor]

no

like you go out in the world

you pick one of these buffs

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[safe locust]

ahhhh

[balmy condor]

and then you never press it again

[safe locust]

oh thats nice ty

[short sedge]

BE careful though

If you play other specs or unequip the dagger for w/e reason, you'll lose the buff and have to pick it up again

[true condor]

My sim told me better use puzzle box but i feel like its quite weird to macro it with DM

[gusty mirage]

Wait wtf lmao

That’s so dumb

Why isn’t it just tied to the dagger

[gusty mirage]

Yeah don’t use puzzle box it’s very very awkward to use with the way assassination plays now

[true condor]

yea but i do only got the puzzle box

the trinket i only got are these