assassination

[balmy condor]

so

okay

[junior aurora]

45 seconds into a fight they’re gonna start doing some real damage

[balmy condor]

maybe we don't agree on the definition of burst

burst is damage in a short window

[rotund oak]

oh ye true,that would take time

so not rly burst

[balmy condor]

unholy would mean

A LOT

[azure basalt]

R a m p

[rotund oak]

but it could be,if we double vanish

[balmy condor]

to that

cause assa would have 0 burst

[rotund oak]

yup

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

sry im stupid on the definition section

[quiet oar]

Can erase the last part of the message

[junior aurora]

tiramil woke up and chose bullying

meanie

[quiet oar]

Sap knows how to take me

[drifting cloud]

phrasing

[junior aurora]

[azure basalt]

I’m going to bed and I’m choosing pain when I wake up in 4 hours for work

[quiet oar]

I mean it in both ways

[rotund oak]

🫶

only snowflakes cant take me head on

u solid

[pseudo hamlet]

Are there any preferable places to put Blue Silken Lining Embellishments?(like "no boots, because there are better boots in [x] raid")
Or it doesn't matter and I can just put them wherever I want?

[rotund oak]

ring is a safe one,braces,waist and boots the rest pref

assuming u would cook a tier slot for the food embelishment

[balmy condor]

pins yep

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks.
Will go with belt/boots. Got already nice wrists+rings 😄

[junior aurora]

just had an azure vaults where the tank died twice on first boss

like huh

[subtle tundra]

i swear it cant just be me

i do 0 st

in m+

literally the frost mage doing twice my st

[junior aurora]

frost mage does big st in m+

[subtle tundra]

i was playing the full st build

so i also had mediocre aoe

[drifting cloud]

the trick is

to kill every boss in 2:20

[subtle tundra]

playing outlaw

[subtle tundra]

not really cause guess what

you use DM for aoe

so its on cd

🙂

[drifting cloud]

pull timer for dm before boss

[subtle tundra]

this spec is a fucking shame

cause i wanted to push m+

[drifting cloud]

you can be the 4th affix

[junior aurora]

dm on cd before a boss? just die

[drifting cloud]

also helps if youre not 15 ilvl lower than your guildies varas

[junior aurora]

let the cd catch up while they rez you

[subtle tundra]

10 ilvls wont double my dps

[drifting cloud]

ok next solution play with a worse mage that isnt crims

we can get there

[subtle tundra]

OK thats true

[drifting cloud]

the mage in my key did 180k overall

[subtle tundra]

i was comparing myself to mdi champ

[drifting cloud]

you need that guy

[subtle tundra]

not a good thing to do for my mental

[junior aurora]

"why am i doing shit damage when im 10 ilvls down on crims"

wonder why

[brave gyro]

Ok, you play the ST spec, but then you still use DM right before boss on a tyranical week?
Obviosuly it's not a general rule, but maybe you could pace your CDs better?

[subtle tundra]

if i dont use my cds, then how am i supposed to do more than tank overall?

[brave gyro]

well, if you guys timed it, it's probably fine. But I guess you gotta prio either killing the boss or overall

[subtle tundra]

its a 10, we +3'd it

im looking at the numbers cause i want to play assa

but i cant tell my guildies i want to play assa with them when its this bad

[brave gyro]

[drifting cloud]

you should ask kush what he thinks about rogue in m+

hes a big fan like you

[subtle tundra]

he'd probably say to spec outlaw and not complain or smth

[drifting cloud]

hes playing alot of sub I think

[brave gyro]

I mean, as a class-enjoyer, and not a spec-enjoyer, yes.
But I do empathise with the fact that it never feels good for a spec to be dead by comparison

[subtle tundra]

well ive made assa work before in m+

before df

this expansion just kinda killed it

for me atleast

[brave gyro]

i mean, S2 was top, right?

for a bit at least

[subtle tundra]

dont remember that

[balmy condor]

not even a little

[brave gyro]

i skipped s2(s3?), i just remember looking at a couple streams and all were playing assa, so take what i said with a grain of salt

[spice surge]

Didnt know sub could buff stamina and give other people PI nowadays

[balmy condor]

part of the whole rework in season 3 to add aoe to the spec was because it was so tragically bad in m+ in season 1 and 2

and that's after we got a couple of aoe buffs in season 1

kind ironic how terrible season 1 and 2 were, we got aoe, and then no one cares anyways cause all the mplussers are so hell bent on just max single target

[drifting cloud]

everytime I open stream hes on rogue ok

[subtle tundra]

well, when the meta specs are meta cause they do hella ST without sacrificing aoe, ofc its what people are looking at

i much prefer back when our st cds didnt do anything in aoe

because our aoe wasnt so closely tied to our st

i could play the key as assa and say i do giga ST its alright

now? i cry

[spice surge]

Its just a bit rough having the cleave tied to the target (and especially requiring it to live dm+kb to get full value)

In keys where theres a big mob you can get kingsbane value of consistently sin is good

Huge burst prio nice niche fr

[potent raven]

what are ppl playing as thei 2nd trinket

ashes and torch?

in m+

[spice surge]

Although the 5 target 90% slow from shiv crippling is nice sometimes, its also kinda cursed to be "forced" to have crippling on or lose damage

[subtle tundra]

though it has been proven time and time again, nr 1 reason why specs are meta is dmg

who cares about our silences

or aoe slow

or whatever

[balmy condor]

bro just forgot about mind soothe

💀

[subtle tundra]

yea cause all priest brings is mind soothe

not PI

and not stam buff

[spice surge]

I mean sure, but thats not relevant to what i was saying

I was complaining about crippling giving dps

[balmy condor]

damage is the nr 1 reason they're meta

(aug existing)

[subtle tundra]

ofc there's exceptions

[balmy condor]

I mean

there's many

I'd argue damage is probably the least relevant thing for timing keys these days

[spice surge]

For some reason theyve tuned keys to not have much damage checks anymore

[subtle tundra]

yea but this is about being specs played

[balmy condor]

people get one tapped by mechanics before they run into a damage check

[subtle tundra]

if outlaw did bad dmg nobody would care they are tanky af

[spice surge]

People also dont know shit about non-meta specs

[balmy condor]

yeh that's wow player brainrot

[subtle tundra]

people look at the best dps, then list their advantages

i can look at assa, say its bad dps and list its disavantages

[balmy condor]

I can make my thumb touch my forearm

[junior aurora]

i can make your thumb touch your forearm

[spice surge]

Can you make your finger and your thumb in the shape of an "L" on your forehead?

They dont stop coming

[junior aurora]

same

[balmy condor]

L facing you or facing me

[royal lantern]

L facing me

[balmy condor]

which way are you facing

[junior aurora]

stage center

[spice surge]

The way that gives me the most allstar points on wcl

[junior aurora]

directionals are ffxiv

[royal lantern]

mate, i dont even know what they mean/how they Work lol

[balmy condor]

um acktuallie it's center stage

you only say stage left or stage right

[junior aurora]

🤓

[dark token]

Yeah cause sp/warlock/mage doing 1 million overalls

I wonder why there is no dmg chck

[primal jolt]

oh wow guys look what i got on greed

its so cool being the only rogue

ever

i thought i was alone in the world until i joined here

[unique summit]

From 1st boss(catalisted, 2x procs avoidanse+socket)

Did I spent all my luck to this head?

[spice surge]

A little bit perhaps, but its very nice

[primal jolt]

delete it so you can need on the next one that drops with speed

[grim jay]

duh I had that just yesterday. I have a guildie thats healer and he's just watching people like dorki all day, he keeps spouting stuff like "x has better pi value here and there, y has better aug value here and there" while its actually wrong, because he doesnt know shit about dps aside from what those streamers say that may or may not even play dps 😄

[orchid haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

Ye i had lots of outlaws here saying "sub cant live this" last season in m+ when i could easily live it

[grim jay]

its wild. some dont even understand the basic concept of gains through stuff. like people think for example the 15k a target gets through PI is worth more than the 30k another one gets through PI just because the first person does more damage overall

[orchid haven]

@balmy condor Hello mate, quick question about gear recommendation for bullions, I see that you tell us to take the council dagger but in sims the Sarkareth sims higher (!fuu), is there anything that gave the council one the edge in your recommendation ? Thanks a lot mate

[grim jay]

but someone told them x is insane for PI so its just that way for them forever

[balmy condor]

dagger is dagger is dagger

doesn't really matter which fucking dagger it is

as long as it's dagger

[ruby helm]

What if really pointy stick

[orchid haven]

Rofl

[balmy condor]

it's all just minor secondary stat differences at the end of the day

[grim jay]

need to make the butt test beforehand then

[balmy condor]

so like yeah bis setup with access to all the gear and all the permutations, the sark dagger might be 50 dps better

but frankly I couldn't care less

and neither should you

just take a dagger

[orchid haven]

Ok thanks for the tip

[spice surge]

Just get igira dagger for the extra speed buff

Free speed proc

[ruby helm]

yeah isnt big deal to my understanding unless leaderboard pushing, but in that case ur most likely playing outlaw

[spice surge]

Even when leaderboard pushing

It doesnt matter

Like whispyr said, its like 50 dps difference

When youre doing 400k

[ruby helm]

That 50 makes a big difference when it comes to killing the critters that sneak in there

lol

The rat didnt stand a chance

[balmy condor]

I was rank 16 assa allstars in season 3 with acro on basically every log

and that's like -3.5%

you'll be fine with a dagger that's 50dps worse cause of a variance in secondaries

[junior aurora]

well thats bc obviously you're holding out on the real sims

[balmy condor]

damn, got me

I'm hiding my public logs where I do exactly what I put into my guides

[junior aurora]

hidden in plain sight, the nerve

[grim jay]

whispyr just channels our negative emotions and weird behaviour, so he does more

[balmy condor]

+1 filter hit

nice one

[grim jay]

[junior aurora]

damn how are you all getting autofiltered

[balmy condor]

bro just yaps filtered words

[junior aurora]

did he use the hard r or something

[spice surge]

Get filtered bozo

[grim jay]

whats the hard r word

tell me

[junior aurora]

you're the bozo that got filtered

you tell me

[grim jay]

its my second time in 7 years

[balmy condor]

can confirm

I went to check

it is indeed #2

[junior aurora]

imagine getting filtered

[grim jay]

im close to getting canceled

I imagine

[balmy condor]

3 strikes and you're out bucko

[junior aurora]

i've already cancelled you

first mistake, last mistake

[balmy condor]

imagine if we actually had a 3 strike rule

[junior aurora]

OT would be empty

[balmy condor]

I'd have to ban like

3/4ths of OT and 1/2 of this channel

[grim jay]

can you actually get banned by that if you do it too often tho?

[balmy condor]

no, but when you hit filter it posts your message in staff

[grim jay]

ah so you still review why

[spice surge]

🫡 take me out

[balmy condor]

so all the green+ names see the channel pop up

and we all chortle

and pointlaugh

[grim jay]

I'm fine with that

[balmy condor]

me as well mr eleem we go down together

[grim jay]

the real question is why does it say 2017 when I've been on the discord before. Idk if I ever changed accounts

[junior aurora]

mine says 2022 but i have messages from bfa

[spice surge]

Aoe banana incident

[grim jay]

it would need to be atleast like 2015

[junior aurora]

2018

[balmy condor]

if you leave and rejoin

it resets

[brave gyro]

Im just i lost my #7777 tag with the new acc name thingies

[balmy condor]

that's why mine says 2022

cause SOMEONE

banned me on ACCIDENT

(not @shrewd night)

[spice surge]

[grim jay]

nvm I mightve changed account bcs I had no access to my mail account

#freenetemailgamer

good old days

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/stray-stray-game-video-game-game-robot-gif-26571323

[balmy condor]

never forget

the great banana incident of '22

[thorny cloak]

man, hard to chose between hybrid and Arterial shock. Both are pretty fun...

*arterial precision.

[grim jay]

I personally prefer ap

no real reason

just the feels

[thorny cloak]

sudden demise is satisfying. Same as poison bomb. My main issue is chosing my transmog (one is more bleed oriented than the other).

[balmy condor]

Kinda based

[grim jay]

ah I see

the issues

[balmy condor]

Wait wait

Don’t tell me

I can guess

The poison set is the green set from blackrock foundry

And if it’s not a set, it’s the helm

[grim jay]

I bet on the tomb set

[thorny cloak]

not at all, mate xD

[balmy condor]

Damn

People love that helm

[grim jay]

I hate it

ngl

[balmy condor]

I’m not a fan either but I see the appeal

Especially from like warhammer40k nerds

Those guys eat that shit up

[grim jay]

I like sets like the tomb of sargeras one, or the emerald dream/nighthold set

kinda edgy ig

[balmy condor]

Edgelord detected

@sharp viper Obliterate this man he likes the basics ass bitch sets

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-angry-punho-fechado-de-gif-26104429

[grim jay]

I like that one aswell

[manic quartz]

now im interested, what helm?

[thorny cloak]

that's the poison one.

[thorny cloak]

(could not resist when draenei where allowed to be rogue... i've been playing rogue for 18years, and waited for it since BC...)

[balmy condor]

Un momento

This set

The helm

[thorny cloak]

the helm goes pretty well with the necrolord back.

[gusty mirage]

Yo that’s sick af

[balmy condor]

Man I never have the urge to make a male draeni but those mfers are built like a truck and I think about it every time I see them

Maybe I’m just gay

[sharp viper]

Nothing wrong with being attracted to trucks

[manic quartz]

eww

[thorny cloak]

nah, you just have taste !

[sharp viper]

taste for sea men?

[thorny cloak]

hahahaha xD

[thorny cloak]

the idea of backstabbing someone while having the weigh of optimus prime is really fun.

[junior aurora]

wheres the carach angren set

transmog at

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Sneaking up with the clip clop

[gusty mirage]

[junior aurora]

what if ur car was a transformer but you said "ill get gas in the morning" and he had to get in a fight overnight and lost bc his gas tank empty

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[thorny cloak]

which ask the real question: what does a transformer eat ?

[gusty mirage]

It’s too early for this shit y’all

[junior aurora]

you either appreciate art or you become a sheep oxi

no actually its too late

for me to be awake

but ive given u

up

[gusty mirage]

How about that ryolith

You like that?

[junior aurora]

now im bricked up at 8 am

gfy

[gusty mirage]

Maybe I will

Sign up for my patreon for behind the scenes footage of me fucking myself

[junior aurora]

drop the link

[balmy condor]

Nuts

Get it

Like nuts

But the metal nuts

Cause they’re transformers

So like

[royal lantern]

i just woke up, open discord and this is what im seeing

[balmy condor]

The metal

It’s a play on words

Cause

Nvm

[junior aurora]

i cannot say the unhinged thoughts that just came into my head

or im gonna end up like poor davyn, perma banned

[thorny cloak]

no, please do tell. i'm not fluent enough to understand everything.

[gusty mirage]

Usually you have to pay extra for smut

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

quick question

do uldaman trogg boss totem scale with tyranical or fort

[subtle tundra]

erm what the sigma

[royal lantern]

yes i know, its supposed to be tyranical, but its fucking wow and nothing makes sense on first glance

[junior aurora]

why is it easier to kill this week

[true condor]

does my haste so low

i tried my best to make it high tho

[primal jolt]

this game is so unplayable because poisoned knife costs 40 energy

[true condor]

i got this

idk whether it will make it soft

maybe i just ask for a priest to get PI

then i could enjoy sin

[royal lantern]

your secondarys have no real impact on gameplay bac

you wont notice a couple % more haste

[primal jolt]

real way of enjoying sin

[cursive frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusky carbon]

are my stats ok for 508 ilvl?

[primal jolt]

deffo need more speed

7% wont cut it

also no avoidance?

[normal mist]

I agree, need more speed

[primal jolt]

what is this 2001?

[normal mist]

He is fast enough to dodge AoE DMG

[primal jolt]

ok but 10% would look soooooooo much better

7 is just too randnom of a number

[dusky carbon]

NotLikeThis

[primal jolt]

[normal mist]

Celestius, assa likes all stats. Just sim your gear

[gusty mirage]

everyone ignoring the real tert

avoidance

smh

[true condor]

oxi lord check my haste

good beginnin of sin

[gusty mirage]

slap yo' character into top gear

and trust the robot man to tell us the truth

[primal jolt]

OK NOW LISTEN i dont wanna flex

but this is a big flex okay

[gusty mirage]

it's always* right, except when it isn't

[primal jolt]

i cant keep myself

from posting it

[gusty mirage]

proud of you

[primal jolt]

i became an EXPERT fisherman

and i would like to be treated as such

[true condor]

where do i get a potion macro

[dusky carbon]

yeah i feel like sim really favors haste for me but it seems like i have a lot of haste

[true condor]

[normal mist]

[primal jolt]

[normal mist]

If you were outlaw, I'd say get more critical and versatility and get rid of the rest, but assa does want all stats equally so it's really a matter of simming

[primal jolt]

ye get 100% in all stats

[gusty mirage]

open the macro tab, make a new macro, shift click the potion, shift click the spell, done

[primal jolt]

thats at least in my opinion

[normal mist]

Atleast 100% yeah

[primal jolt]

or be like my mistweaver last season i had 110% mastery

[normal mist]

Legion assassination, way over 100%

[primal jolt]

you can never have enough mastery

[dusky carbon]

i sim myself like crazy... was just wondering if it looked ok is all

[normal mist]

I mean

[dusky carbon]

i usually use runes to fill gaps with my gear

[true condor]

wow whispyr also tell us this secret techniche

[normal mist]

Worry about getting ilvl

The stats come with them

[gusty mirage]

mastery is a funny secondary stat

cause % doesn't dictate anything, cause the % scales differently for every spec in the game

[primal jolt]

ok if youre so smart about simming how do i sim myself to be top dps of every raid

explain that

[gusty mirage]

you reroll mage

[subtle tundra]

got igira dagger mythic with avoidance

too bad its wasted on me

[gusty mirage]

nothing's wasted on you varas

[subtle tundra]

it is when i dont play the game

[gusty mirage]

you're just a small town boy, living in a lonely woooooooooooooooorld

you took the midnight train going anywheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere

[subtle tundra]

im so lonely

[junior aurora]

already done

why is the ele sham with 10 more ilvl than me beating me now

[gusty mirage]

skill issue

[primal jolt]

dw it wont last

[junior aurora]

sorry im not taking responsibility for this

[primal jolt]

theyre back at the bottom next expansion

where they belong

[subtle tundra]

that is a skill issue if its an ele

[gusty mirage]

idk ele sham kinda fucks rn

varas wanna handle my motion this morning

[junior aurora]

yeah ele isn't bad

[gusty mirage]

its in 20 minutes

[primal jolt]

it will be

it has to be

[subtle tundra]

your lotion??

[primal jolt]

ele shaman being higher than C tier is cursed

[subtle tundra]

ok?

[gusty mirage]

close enough

[junior aurora]

ele shaman usually does damage it just doesn't do omega damage nor does it have raid buffs so perception of the spec is in the tank

[true condor]

i have a question teachers, why would we use shiv after deathmark

[primal jolt]

ele shaman damage

[true condor]

[gusty mirage]

to cover kingsbane

you want shiv bonus throughout all of kingsbane

[junior aurora]

my problem is i need to be greedier with the aoe on my mage

[true condor]

oh

[junior aurora]

stop taking ST talents on fights that spawn adds bc thats when i start losing ground

[gusty mirage]

if you die it's a healer issue

if you don't do enough ST that's on the tank for not pulling trash onto the boss

and if that doesn't help

just say you lagged

[junior aurora]

back in nyalotha

[true condor]

so its like DM, shiv for a beginning, then Dance empower again, then Kingsbane boom boom

[junior aurora]

we used to pull trash onto raid bosses

to cheese parses

[gusty mirage]

what kind of cheese

[junior aurora]

it didnt remove the damage

for some reason

[subtle tundra]

ok but how did we get a 7% buff, are a PI spec and still below average?????????????????????

[junior aurora]

bc unholy is number 2

and is a better pi spec

[subtle tundra]

nah blizz can gobble my nuts

! ! ! ! ! !

[primal jolt]

thank god were still below average

i can keep complaining

i got worried after the buff

[junior aurora]

lol at sub though

[primal jolt]

yea i might have to roll sub now

[subtle tundra]

sub logs are bugged

they dont register a lot of their dps

[gusty mirage]

skill issue tbh

seli and soviet were cranking yesterday

idk what to tell you

and seli's old

like dinosaur old

[subtle tundra]

did they show their numbers compared to the rest of the raid?

i just saw numbers

100 logs and gnarlroot dps

LOL

and they both were getting PI

[junior aurora]

just get pi

[subtle tundra]

its impossible in my guild

🙂

[gusty mirage]

yes

[subtle tundra]

they are pi beggers

[gusty mirage]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xtCYaGFNhArM7b21#fight=51&type=damage-done @dark token seems to have done just fine

[true condor]

could i ask for a log review

[gusty mirage]

correct

you need PI to do top damage

that is an accurate conclusion to the reality

[junior aurora]

and assa would be lower middle of the rankings bc we aren't getting PI

if we get PI we'd be higher up

[gusty mirage]

assa with PI = great
assa without PI = mediocre as fuck

delete PI

thanks

rebalance my spec around not PI

thanks

[primal jolt]

same way ret is balanced around the legendary, assa is balanced around PI, Windfury, and Aug

:)

[subtle tundra]

also there's 1 99 parse

WAIT I HAD 76

WOAHHHHHHHHHH

(i literally went into the lava to give my teammates grieftorch reset)

[gusty mirage]

there isn't enough coffee this morning

[junior aurora]

dont do that and youll do more damage

[subtle tundra]

my kb

his kb

[junior aurora]

same % of your damage

[limber lion]

Sounds like a skill issue

[quiet oar]

You need a better gaming chair

[limber lion]

Just crit more, get better procs

[subtle tundra]

🤑

[limber lion]

[royal python]

Voice of the silent star stealth bug is hell

[primal jolt]

hes cheating bro

[primal jolt]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[dusky carbon]

do you guys thistle tea with deathmark?

[limber lion]

No

[royal lantern]

jesus christ dont give him validation

[limber lion]

You tea with KB

[royal lantern]

you know it always goes wrong

[primal jolt]

you always deathmark with KB

[royal lantern]

[limber lion]

And at low energy

[primal jolt]

and in KB you use tea

use tea during downtime but always keep one for KB

kingsbane is kb

[dusky carbon]

yeah i was doing it with DM and KB final tick, but read it was wrong then i was looking at church's logs and it looks like he double teas his DM>KB

[true condor]

how could we use torch? after kb blust?

[limber lion]

Which is incorrect.

[primal jolt]

theres weakauras that show you when to use tea

[limber lion]

You tea with KB and with low energy.

[primal jolt]

like notter kb weakaura

[limber lion]

Immediately if you don't have another active trinket

[true condor]

oh i see

[limber lion]

If you have Ashes or whatever, then you Ashes first and Torch right after the 20s is over

[true condor]

ty cever lord

[subtle tundra]

i feel like a god killing myself for grieftorch resets

[primal jolt]

[true condor]

[limber lion]

🤝

[subtle tundra]

its more dps

[dusky carbon]

do you guys try to only garrote / rupture above 50% energy?

[limber lion]

Why would it matter? No.

[primal jolt]

😭

[limber lion]

Sang works dynamically

It does not snapshot

[dusky carbon]

ah i didnt know that

[limber lion]

If you have bleeds up and get to 50% then they will start doing more damage

Yupyup

[dusky carbon]

so do you try to stay above 50% energy always or you dont pay attention to energy?

[primal jolt]

pooling

[limber lion]

Well kind of but not really.

4p chaining is more important

[primal jolt]

you can learn a lot about pooling by whispyr on youtube

he has a lot of sin guides

[limber lion]

The Sang is just extra flavor

[dusky carbon]

i know im asking a lot of dumb questions, but im trying to raid with assa now instead of sub and im doing less dps than a rogue i oversim by like 40k....

trying to figure out the nuances that i must be missing

because im following rotation i feel like to a T

[royal lantern]

killtimers

you know

the most important thing

and fight dmg patterns

[limber lion]

It's just practice makes perfect

[royal lantern]

if shit dies while 1 guy has CDs running and you dont, yeha you will be lower lol

[limber lion]

Link a log

[dusky carbon]

this was the one time i beat him but again i should be like 40k higher than him... so this was probably my best performance of the night... im Gormak

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WLatRHA7KdZBF3wV#fight=31&type=damage-done

then this is me losing

[royal lantern]

i read Gromnak first

[dusky carbon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WLatRHA7KdZBF3wV#fight=41&type=damage-done

i do have fragment and he has embersoul which is probably a decent part of it...

[royal lantern]

fragment is bad for assa

like

BAD bad

[dusky carbon]

but i wasted my first 2 bullions on an outlaw MH for M+ing

[gusty mirage]

that's not a waste

[primal jolt]

btw are you keeping ur ruptures up? he has like 6 more casts than you

[dusky carbon]

my only other option is call to suffering

[gusty mirage]

fragment isn't terrible

it's just a 3min CD which doesn't line up well with our CDs

[dusky carbon]

i do try to keep up rupture... i think i let it fall a couple times for a few seconds

[gusty mirage]

we prayge you get lucky and yoink an ashes this week from raid

[limber lion]

They fixed it.

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Get on with the times old man

[dusky carbon]

it didnt drop 😦

[gusty mirage]

did you try getting it on a dif difficulty?

[dusky carbon]

prayge for vault otherwise i will have to forgo weapon next week

yeah LFR and normal lol

[gusty mirage]

scammaz your way into a heroic and yoink that one

[dusky carbon]

oh no i meant it didnt drop on heroic... tried on all 3

[gusty mirage]

oh

[limber lion]

Gar 94% and Rupture 88%

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

Read this

[primal jolt]

WAIT you didnt buy ashes with your first 2 bullions?

[gusty mirage]

considering they said they bought a MH so they could play outlaw in m+

[dusky carbon]

no i jebaited myself with outlaw and then aggroed my carpal tunnel

[primal jolt]

ah

[dusky carbon]

but i still outlaw in M+ so i can get invited by pugs lol

[primal jolt]

i had a stroke there for a second

didnt read it

[limber lion]

I made that command and I don't like it. Should fix that someday maybe

[gusty mirage]

ye not a bad decision tbh

most of the early gearing is done through keys anyway

and you're gonna get more chicken soup cubes eventually

[junior aurora]

can get 2 this week from the dungeon weekly

so you can buy ashes

and then next week youll get a 3rd item

[gusty mirage]

ye you get 3 this week, which puts us at 5 total, then 1 next week

[dusky carbon]

yeah my playtime is way more skewed towards M+ right now so it feels alright but feelsbad for raid

i bought griefer torch lol

[gusty mirage]

also a good choice

[limber lion]

Did you read it

[junior aurora]

then tues/wed you can get ashes

[dusky carbon]

yeah... just will have to give up dagger but i will likely just take ashes instead

[limber lion]

Take that as a no

[gusty mirage]

ye frag will carry you over until then, I wouldn't sweat it too much

[junior aurora]

can craft dagger

[gusty mirage]

plus the raid daggers aren't anything special tbh

[limber lion]

Am I muted

[dusky carbon]

sorry cev

you asked me if i read that about pandemic

[limber lion]

It's okay

Yes

[dusky carbon]

i have a pandemic WA and i try to... i probably just dropped a couple

[junior aurora]

man it would be such a power play if you just replied with an image showing all of cev's messages blocked

[limber lion]

It's a glaring issue in the rotation and a simple fix

[gusty mirage]

just refresh early if you're not in dance/kb windows

[limber lion]

Should be around 98% uptime on both

Not having em up affects energy gain, damage overall, Sang effectiveness and so on

You have 7s and 5s to reapply Rupture and Garrote respectively

[dusky carbon]

yeah... im not sure what happened in those fights particularly that made me drop it

[gusty mirage]

a few seconds of lost pandemic are better than letting it drop completely

[limber lion]

It's all good, mechanics and whatnot can trip anyone up

[dusky carbon]

the other thing i noticed is his KB is just doing WAY more damage than mine

also his DM

[gusty mirage]

I reckon if you check the opening DM and KB window and compare the two

it'll be closer than you think

[dusky carbon]

but i promise you im shiving at 5-6s and vanishing at 2-3

[gusty mirage]

but the fact that he has ashes and you have fragment

[junior aurora]

tea?

[limber lion]

Not on PC atm so can't check but could be just enchant procs or bad crits

[dusky carbon]

yeah tea at 5-6

[gusty mirage]

means he gets more oomph out of his CDs

[dusky carbon]

i was double teaing....

but woops

wont do that anymore

[junior aurora]

yeah check crit differences

[dusky carbon]

he was critting more for sure

[gusty mirage]

cause if you use frag on CD, you get it opening window, then you get it on the solo KB at 3min

whereas he gets ashes for both DM windows

[dusky carbon]

ahhh i didnt do it on the solo KB i guess i should have

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't necessary say you should have used it then, but it's just he's getting giga buffed from ashes each DM window

whereas you're only getting 1

if that makes sense

[dusky carbon]

thats a good tip because i wasnt getting a 3rd DM

[junior aurora]

im looking at the larodar and you did the same kingsbane damage

[dusky carbon]

ah i was probably looking at the more embarrassing fights that i didnt want to share 😄

[true condor]

dude

this spec

is like

[lavish pine]

Can you share that wa? 🙂

[primal jolt]

😭

[true condor]

i am playing something

special

full of enjoyment

[dusky carbon]

im using luxthos... it has pandemic built in

[primal jolt]

my friend has basically identical gear to mine and hes simming 70k more dps

hes ret

[limber lion]

All basic wa packages should have pandemic built in

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[limber lion]

Pick any of these and they all have it

[lavish pine]

Awesome!! Thanks

[limber lion]

Even got it on my Plater

[gusty mirage]

cevrion's plater? more like ceverion's STINKER

GOT EM

[limber lion]

:O

[junior aurora]

looking at the log now and it looks like your biggest problem is just uptime on dots

but i think cev said that

[gusty mirage]

I'll see myself out

[dusky carbon]

alright well thanks guys... if thats all you see then i think thats something i can work on

also using fragment with 3min KB is smart

i think a big problem too is not knowing the fights as well because i didnt play S2-S3

[limber lion]

You use it according to fighy length

Either with 3rd dm or with the 3min kb

But yehyeh

Basic stuff

Doing the fights over and over will help with figuring out the timings and whatnot

[dusky carbon]

would it be trolling to hold DM to 3min mark if it lined up with the fight?

[junior aurora]

most of the time yes

[limber lion]

If you knew you wouldn't miss a cast, it's fine

[junior aurora]

but if you know the fight length you can hold

[limber lion]

That is how you would squeeze out more damage on a 3:20-4min fight

But it's a very specific fight length and a bit risky most of the time

Unless you know for sure.

[junior aurora]

and once you get an ashes youll go back to 2m anyway so i wouldnt worry about minmaxing it too hard

[dusky carbon]

hmm k maybe on igira and nimue then

yea truue

[limber lion]

It is definitely something I would personally do

But I minmax everything to a degen level

And find enjoyment in that

More than doing the same thing everytime

But it all has its risks, depends what you're trying to achieve

[dusky carbon]

btw probably a stupid question

but is 76agi rune really better than double haste/mast/crit?

it doesnt seem like it is but i must be missing something

[junior aurora]

yeah but for someone struggling a bit as is i wouldnt complicate it yet

[dusky carbon]

the other thing i think im probably messing up is not optimizing my 4pc

[limber lion]

Afters maintenance that is the #1 most important thing

[limber lion]

Me either

[dusky carbon]

so do you always just pool until envenom is at like 1s and then do it again?

except for KB where you are just sending envenoms?

[junior aurora]

envenom has a pandemic range you can shoot for, i think its a little bit more lax than 1s

[limber lion]

Yup pretty much

[limber lion]

1.5s assuming 5+ CP

[dusky carbon]

yeah you are right its 2s

or i guess 1.5 is more precise 😄

[thorn fjord]

sickest gameplay loop EVER

[limber lion]

Better to slam at 1s than 2s

[junior aurora]

well its 2.1ish at 7 cp right

[limber lion]

Not ish

[junior aurora]

i recommend getting an envenom weakaura that shows you the pandemic range

[dusky carbon]

i probably need to buff the size of my envenom WA then 😄

im just using luxthos but yea i guess it doesnt show pandemic

[junior aurora]

i have one thats a red progress bar that has a white bar where the pandemic is

[limber lion]

Luxthos should do

[dusky carbon]

i guess i can go practice in the rest of the LFRs i didnt do 😄

[thorn fjord]

Pretty interesting that my sin kit does not want Diurnas

Like at all

[gusty mirage]

well that doesn't make sense

like at all

[junior aurora]

did you sim without helm enchant and thus cannot proc it

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dgnT3BuCSF5S8JQJ5n8kLn

simmed with helm enchant and Torch

[gusty mirage]

"doesn't want it at all"

2nd result

weird

[junior aurora]

within variance lol

[thorn fjord]

I didnt even bother looking at that lol

[gusty mirage]

also pepelaff

toxic boots

everyone laugh at this guy

[thorn fjord]

Im a creature of habbit

[junior aurora]

if you change those to BSL

ring will go up

[gusty mirage]

go figure

you have lower mastery than 2x BSL

and the sim wants heavy mastery rings

MINDBLOWING

[thorn fjord]

I wont be able to make em for another few weeks

[gusty mirage]

false

you can make 1 right now

you fucking liar

[junior aurora]

maybe he crafted outlaw weapon

[thorn fjord]

Oh true

[gusty mirage]

recraft that into 1x BSL and slap a crafted boots with BSL and see where the ring is then

#tc-research message

yoink the string from there

[true condor]

will it be so low for the dot uptime

for a new sin

[royal lantern]

i mean, you want 99%+ if possible

dropping your bleeds is the worst thing you can do

[thorn fjord]

Bsl can go on rings right?

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[dusky carbon]

so i have silken crafted bracers... does it matter if i do boots or waist as 2nd silken crafted?

[normal mist]

Not really

Afaik it scales with ilvl

[dusky carbon]

hmm i think helm actually might be better because more agi

[queen lagoon]

while on the crafted items subject, what stats should i aim for the bracers and belt?

[dusky carbon]

100% dependent on sim

[normal mist]

Anything really, depends on what you have less I guess

[queen lagoon]

ah i see, thank you

[normal mist]

Assa wants all stats balanced

The less you have of a stat, the more valuable it gets

[queen lagoon]

i thought maybe getting mastery/crit on it would be better since it's first and second in stat prio

[normal mist]

Outlaw, per example, you want to push for high values of versa, followed by crit

[normal mist]

Yes, but if Whispyr was here he would tell you to just sim and do what sim says

He has to put a stat prio on the Wowhead guide or people will lose their mind

[queen lagoon]

understood, will sim all the stats then 😄

thanks a lot! ❤️

[normal mist]

But this only happens as Assassination

If you intend to play the other 2 specs as well, I'd advise on critical/versa crafted items

Since all 3 specs gain from those 2

(although, someone correct me if I'm wrong, I think sub preferes versa / mastery with CRIT as a 3rd stat)

[thorn fjord]

Crits >= Mastery almost for sub

Er sorry

Verse >= Mastery

[normal mist]

Thanks, I'm never sure about sub stats

[gusty mirage]

close

[normal mist]

[gusty mirage]

mastery is king for sub

[thorn fjord]

Just finished doing some sub stuff. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c6C12tMuwjtKETBP5YXCmA. BSL should improve this too

[verbal kestrel]

Hi I haven’t played sin in a while, does it still have issues with energy generation?

[thorn fjord]

Kinda annoyed i decided to focus OL from the start lol

Hindsight is 20/20 though

[royal lantern]

scrap the "from the start" part

[dark token]

EU logs aren't in stats or rankings

[gusty mirage]

varas just wanted to complain

[dark token]

EU sin rogues >>>> NA sin rogues

[gusty mirage]

don't mind him

[dark token]

We got seli and cev

[gusty mirage]

cev doesn't play the game

[normal mist]

And yet a king

[normal mist]

Not really but we aren't a spammy spec

We have energy when we need it

[thorn fjord]

We ain’t got universal healthcare

[gusty mirage]

@final star are you guys still running awakened splits

[thorn fjord]

Flightstones are the dumbest currency blizzard has came up with that I can remember

Fucking stupid

[gusty mirage]

lmfao some dude just got pissed that the judge is taking forever

and just left the zoom

[verbal kestrel]

What does that mean in terms of rotation? Do we not always hit a button as soon as the gcd allows us? Do we have to save up energy to do certain abilities

[normal mist]

Yes

[royal lantern]

outside of kingsbane windows, you use envenom to maintain the envenom buff

and not asap for dmg

[normal mist]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[normal mist]

@verbal kestrel all you need to know

[verbal kestrel]

Ohh ok thank you I’ll check out the video

[subtle tundra]

I've been unhappy the whole expac, ofc I'm complaining

[subtle cipher]

a crit/mast one like this would be set for life right?

[final star]

no

we are just doing 2x full clears now

[normal mist]

If you move up like 10 minutes we had a talk about stats

[gusty mirage]

does this mean we can be best friends again?

[subtle cipher]

eh, kinda off, cant keep simming cuz other pieces of gear will change so will the sim

cant craft one of these each time i swap some pieces of gear

[normal mist]

Do you only play assa?

[final star]

[subtle cipher]

yes

[normal mist]

Then crit mastery and call it a day

[subtle cipher]

gg

[normal mist]

🫡

[thorn fjord]

Touch grass angle

[subtle tundra]

Yea that's what I've done the whole expac surprisingly

Raid logged the whole way with the exception of the first 2 weeks of each patch

Considering I used to sit the whole day in lfg to do 3 keys a day that's pretty bad

[normal mist]

Is your life better?

Asking for a friend

[subtle tundra]

Went through a depression arc

I'm better

[thorn fjord]

Sometimes we need to hit a little bit of depression to come out better from it

Was actually having this convo with friends yesterday.. Happiness in perpetuity is unhealthy

Need the ebb and flows of emotion to really be better overall imo

[spice spire]

You know what else is unhealthy

Playing outlaw

Checkmate bozo

[subtle tundra]

I hate how grey life is

[normal mist]

I totally agree

[thorn fjord]

Feel you man... Especially with the monotonous grind of work/school day in and day out

[normal mist]

Quit one

Jokes

[subtle tundra]

For me it's about people, nothing is white or black, it's a shade of grey 😔

[normal mist]

Don't leave school

[spice spire]

Nah gotta find joy some where

[spice spire]

I got 50 of them for u if u keep actin up king

[normal mist]

You seem like the type of Rogue that has been thru rough times. Stand up King

[subtle tundra]

I go gym

[normal mist]

Life can be as good or bad as we perceive it

[subtle tundra]

💪

[normal mist]

You also a gymbro

Let's go

I've been a gymbro for 2 months now

[subtle tundra]

Let's go

[thorn fjord]

Gym bro way better than my solution

[spice spire]

Lotta rogues have gone gym bro in the last year

[thorn fjord]

I self depecracate and abuse substances

[spice spire]

At least 7 regulars?

[thorn fjord]

wont ever be me. Fuck the gym lol

[spice spire]

How about you abuse your friendships and lean on them bozo

[normal mist]

Yesterday I was swarmed in the #off-topic

By gym bros

[thorn fjord]

Friends become more few and far when you have a kid

[spice spire]

I’ve been kinda halfassing for a bit. Last night was a push night and I feel it

[thorn fjord]

Keep at it bro... I wont ever hate on the gym for others.... It does so much for your mental

[spice spire]

Wouldn’t know. Can imagine. But still. Friendship is the best help whether randos online or irl friends

It’s def helped my mental

[thorn fjord]

For sure... When im starting to dip into the negative thoughts i come in here

[normal mist]

And cats + dogs

[subtle tundra]

Nr 1 thing for the gym at the beginng is to get comfortable so you don't quit

[thorn fjord]

Especially at work

[spice spire]

Last 3 months I’ve been going super hard 6 days a week (within reason)

[subtle tundra]

Once youre comfortable you can start pushing yourself

[spice spire]

Couple 5 days here and there

[subtle tundra]

So you always have a comfortable state to go back to

[thorn fjord]

Were you trying to lose weight or gain mass? @spice spire

[spice spire]

Lose weight regain strength

I’m “comfortably” curling 55s again. I’m only 15 pounds off from where I was before

[thorn fjord]

Damn bro

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[thorn fjord]

You'd prob kick my ass irl

[spice spire]

No I wouldn’t

[marsh ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[normal mist]

He would hug you

[spice spire]

True

I pop bones tho

[normal mist]

We need around 12 hugs a day btw

[thorn fjord]

I dont like people touching me

[normal mist]

Same been in a healthy RS for 6 years, still don't like most of the random touching

[spice spire]

Same

If it’s a consensual thing or I’m close, hell yeah. But usually most I do is go in for the handshake hug

[normal mist]

The manly hug

Do you guys tell your friends you love them?

You should

[spice spire]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

Yeah for sure.. My chick touching me? Dont mind it at all. I actually love it... Random people who im not romantically involved with? Dont fucking touch me lol

[subtle tundra]

Kevin knows how much I love him

1 month and 4 days left

Until I see him

[normal mist]

Who's Kevin?

[spice spire]

Good shit varas

[subtle tundra]

My friend who lives in NA

[normal mist]

Ooooh

Good guy Kevin then

[subtle tundra]

Visits every summer

[spice spire]

Oh shit NA varas

Damn nvm

[thorn fjord]

The boys are back in town

[subtle tundra]

Last summer he went through a bad time cause of a woman 😡😡😡 ruined my summer

[normal mist]

Months into my relationship with my gf, she heard me say "I love you motherfucker" and I almost died from laughter when her face looked at me with killer instinct, until she understood it was my best friend

[normal mist]

Some women bad

Mine plays hunter, same thing

[thorn fjord]

Mine plays Fallout

[subtle tundra]

But we're so back

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-back-we-are-getting-doug-back-we-are-back-gif-1666356383831166652

[thorn fjord]

You're in Germany? @subtle tundra

[normal mist]

I can hear that gif

[subtle tundra]

I'm very Romanian

100% pure

Dacian blood

[thorn fjord]

nono i meant where you live haha

[subtle tundra]

Romania

[thorn fjord]

Whats the night life like out there

my brain cant even imagine it

[subtle tundra]

It's pretty good

Way better than London

not as good as the popular ones

I've heard of Amsterdam and Berlin being the top ones

[thorn fjord]

I wanna party in europe for like a week lol

I've still never been

I wanna party in Spain

Get trashed in Madrid

[subtle tundra]

Bucharest is too small for that

[shrewd nacelle]

good morning chat

@gusty mirage hi

[normal mist]

Hello

[autumn frost]

!tealth

!stealth

How bad is the stealthbreak from the voice of silent star. Is it very noticable? Does it happen like once every two minutes? I already deal with stealth break from my potion.

[cloud basin]

whats that command about the envenom chaining?

[thorn fjord]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[spice spire]

If it hasn’t been fixed, yes

I’m not sure as I didn’t play last season but Ik it wasn’t fixed in s2 and was noticeable

[gusty mirage]

it happens every single time someone comes in range of you

cause it gives you a buff that you're "stealing" stats from them

like if everyone's in range you're chilling

but it's extremely fucking annoying to play around

[autumn frost]

That sounds terrible.

Maybe useful in raid

[thorn fjord]

Wouldnt be an issue in raid

[autumn frost]

outside of that sounds like something not to use

[gusty mirage]

yeah in raid it's fine because you're usually with other melee (i.e. wft group)

and it picks the closest people to you iirc

but tbh @autumn frost it's annoying but not unplayable

[cloud basin]

what do we have for dealing with incorp? Isit is just kick and kidney shot?

[gusty mirage]

personally for m+ I'd avoid it like the plague, plus with sin being squishier than outlaw/sub you can't really afford to drop the stamina for the stat proc

[gusty mirage]

blind is best bet

[thorn fjord]

Gouge would work too no?

[gusty mirage]

gouge would, but it's duration sucks

blind will apply full duration even w/ airborne irritant

[autumn frost]

Also it's dependant on the mob facing you right?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

ye