#assassination

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opaque oriole
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i mean w/o deathmark

balmy condor
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also what weakaura

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there's like 15 of them at this point

opaque oriole
balmy condor
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that should just work

grim jay
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@gaunt moat

balmy condor
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maybe 10.2.7 though

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we love patches

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breaking everything

neat plank
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I do all my own WAs, everything I download is bloated and eats too many resources

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😛

grim jay
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Couldnt be me

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I rather have enough resources and be lazy

gaunt moat
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did my WA break?

grim jay
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Maybe

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Atleast for him

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Or her

clever sapphire
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works for me

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solo kb

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with dance

opaque oriole
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🤔

clever sapphire
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and i did 3 keys and im pretty sure it worked all the way

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even solo kb works

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without dance

gaunt moat
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Using DM or not shouldn't affect it
maybe try reimporting it? i'm not sure
what happens when you use KB? do you see anything at all?

opaque oriole
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i've reimported that and still same issue, i got it for few seconds looks like it crash when im about to click second shiv

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gonna record that, give me a sec

shrewd nacelle
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guys why cant i join +0s as a 480ilvl

neon oxide
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because loads of 500+ people are doing 0s for weekly

shrewd nacelle
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yes but im an assassination rogue

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i'd pump more than them

normal mist
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Loool

royal lantern
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wuuut

gaunt moat
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@opaque oriole I see other behavior that it shouldn't have (like the coverage percentage staying at 100% in white text)
It looks like the WA think KB duration has finished, and then stays for the 5s extra linger duration (it's not a "crash", it's just the WA thinking the ability has completed).

So, unfortunately i can't test it right now since i took a break from WoW and my sub is expired
but i'm also getting reports that it does work for others
i'd be happy if someone else could confirm if it works or not

royal lantern
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"assassination" and "pumps in m+" are not things you often see togheter dracthyr_kek

normal mist
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Maybe never

royal lantern
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its good rn

neon oxide
royal lantern
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but far from the top guys

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like, faaaaar

opaque oriole
shrewd nacelle
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im doin like 300k in aoe at 479.8 ilvl

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imagine if i was 500

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i'd be pumpin 3-5mil

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a sec

neon oxide
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pls stop being cringe and baiting

opaque oriole
slate crown
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I’m only 479 I haven’t played in months I’m so far behind nobody gonna inv me 😦 😦

opaque oriole
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my friend just checked that on his rogue and it works perfectly fine, not sure why it doesnt work for me

neon oxide
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I just had the same issue, disappeared on 2nd deathmark

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Looks like it happens on SD end?

opaque oriole
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u mean deathmark or "solo KB"

neon oxide
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deathmark

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"solo kb" works fine

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Oh was your issue on the 1m KB?

opaque oriole
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y

neon oxide
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Okay so I had a different issue - mine was on the 2min CD window

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the solo KB worked for

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fine*

rocky sluice
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
placid cobalt
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is Nick of Time bis also in MH?

spice surge
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No

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Ilvl is more important

placid cobalt
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oh ok i was hoping since it wasnt specified

slate crown
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Will be hard to look into it if I can’t produce the issue on my end (and it seems like there are mixed reports so it may not affect me), and I’m a bit busy today. But if it or other issues do happen on my end I can debug it later tonight @gaunt moat

gaunt moat
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Thanks! i really appriciate it
keep me updated if you do find something you fixed so i'll update the string on wago.io

dark quiver
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when do we use vanish?

patent vessel
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buff feels nice PeepoHappy

normal mist
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No you

primal jolt
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because you just killed the auctioneers

normal mist
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The low levels: Aggy

primal jolt
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(you will kill them again once its off cd)

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my rogue art is almost done

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gonna flex so hard

primal jolt
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:)

dark quiver
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ty

clever sapphire
spice spire
primal jolt
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yeah i was pumping today in heroic dungeons

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showed them whos boss

spice spire
grim jay
royal lantern
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just like quake Comfy

spice spire
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No u

gusty mirage
spice spire
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No u

grim jay
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No u

gusty mirage
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No u @spice spire @grim jay

shrewd nacelle
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@balmy condor is the best assassinations player handsdown

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and best content creator tbh

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everyone else sucks massive cocks

grim jay
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What if they like it

shrewd nacelle
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dw only @neon oxide whore mother loves it

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the rest are chill

gusty mirage
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my dude

spice spire
gusty mirage
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in what fucking sphere of reality do you think 1) it's okay to just call people's mothers whores, and 2) tag people to do so

spice spire
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They might know each other

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I am not sure

shrewd nacelle
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exactly

shrewd nacelle
gusty mirage
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terrific, that seems like a direct message angle

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ah okay

shrewd nacelle
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cry about it

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who the fuck even are u

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anyways relax

gusty mirage
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!mute 7d @shrewd nacelle enjoy your vacation champ

grim jay
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Who the fuck even are you @gusty mirage

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Beautiful aside

hexed willow
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Who’s dumb enough to argue with an orange

grim jay
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Arguing is one thing, insulting something else

neon oxide
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He’s a master baiter

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And for the record, no I don’t know them

normal mist
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LOl

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That guy just won 7 days vacation

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Why doesn't my boss do the same

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@gusty mirage wanna be my boss?

gusty mirage
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does that mean I can delegate the 8 things I have to do today to you?

subtle tundra
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Who let him with a phone in the asylum

rotund oak
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ppl too good for keys man

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getting declined on +6s

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511 rogue btw

shrewd night
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Imagine not having a premade for keys

rotund oak
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bruh

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6s

ashen totem
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idk how that happens, my main rogue is like 500 doing 10's

rotund oak
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im trying to do the weekly thing for like 3 hours now

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cant get into a group

shrewd night
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Shoulda played a better class

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Like druid

rotund oak
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real

gusty mirage
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you healing keys bud?

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because balance is dogshit and feral is mid

royal lantern
normal mist
shrewd night
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Im playing both feral and balance, aint no hot turd in hell youd find me healing this collection of dog ass dungeons

gusty mirage
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you don't wanna heal halls of infusion?

shrewd night
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I had a small stroke trying to heal halls yes, so I figured my health was more important than timing keys

royal lantern
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bonus points if the dungeon bugs out and you are stuck in combat for the entire run and cant drink for mana 🙂

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we love HoI

shrewd night
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Druids needs mana??

amber iron
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So, potentially a dumb question incoming.
is there a build for Assassination that does not require shadow dance?
Or is Shadow Dance just that good that it's a must have?

gaunt moat
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@opaque oriole @neon oxide @slate crown
Ok I think i know what's going on.
You're using KB on a dummy target with no HP.
I have something to turn the WA off for edge-cases where just applying KB instantly kills a target.

Coukd you please test on a target with a full/big HP pool?

royal lantern
royal lantern
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the improved garrote uptime+dmg boost for kingsbane is just too much

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cant really avoid dance

amber iron
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Ah, very well
Shadow Dance it is then
was worth a shot.

grim jay
spice spire
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You can. But shadow dance is really that good z it’s many many % lower

grim jay
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Atleast in ST

neon oxide
royal lantern
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no deeper thinking/adjustments required

neon oxide
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I like Shadow Dance, stealth'd DoTs doing more damage is very thematically interesting and being able to vanish or shadow dance to re apply is fun

hearty reef
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gnarl

amber iron
patent vessel
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are we prayer circling for deathstalker to not suck yet

neon oxide
gaunt moat
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Cool, thanks 🙂
The issue I had was that if the KB initial dmg killed tge target, the rest of the code to turn it if didn't trigger.
So i turn it off manually.

But since dummy targets can't die, it was confusing for you.
@opaque oriole @neon oxide

royal lantern
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like, thats not even the "lazy option", thats the best way to use shadowdance and kingsbane

neon oxide
pale brook
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in french if possible

pale brook
raven egret
pale brook
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#show kingsbane
/cast Thistle tea
/use 14
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Cold Blooded
/cast kingsbane

gusty mirage
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tbh the move speed one (idk what dragonkin in french is)

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Dragonnets

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thanks wowhead!

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😄

pale brook
raven egret
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I play in English myself so I never saw the French client, but Dragons are pretty universal to understand fortunately 😂

gusty mirage
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French is a cool language, wish they would've forced me to take a foreign language in university

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I would've picked french

pale brook
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ahah i can talk in english yes but im very limited xD

raven egret
rain mortar
raven egret
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I'm french Canadian myself, learning English was a great step. That said, 3y of Spanish at school when I was young and I couldn't hold a basic exchange still

gusty mirage
raven egret
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in other news, despite having my PI revoked yesterday for all boss except Gnarlroot, I still destroyed most of my raid so, great success

amber iron
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Also.. what's the /use 14 thing?

raven egret
amber iron
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Either way, much appreciated.

green apex
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I am sure this was already discussed yesterday but my god between the Shades and Incorporeals restealthing this week is absolutely cursed

raven egret
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Restealths are a crutch, embrace the light, cleave the heretics!

green apex
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More like spend my extra Bullions on an Outlaw weapon

raven egret
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that makes you a heretic, thought

hexed willow
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Crackshot goes brrr

rain mortar
gusty mirage
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ah I was in the college of douchebags, I mean business

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darn typos

shy pecan
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I hate typos

gusty mirage
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is quake a typo?

shy pecan
marble hemlock
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he clearly meant to call himself QUwUake

gusty mirage
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I'm going to ban you

grim jay
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Oh lord

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Thats so bad

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I dont know what to say

marble hemlock
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thats many people's reaction to what i say and do

storm forum
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It's s4, the unhinged is coming out

marble hemlock
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im universally unhinged

spice spire
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Way too sassy for how little nova is posted

shy pecan
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Just waiting for the next time Nova says something in discord

marble hemlock
gusty mirage
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GOD DAMN

earnest remnant
marble hemlock
spice spire
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Curious!

earnest remnant
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you dont even remember what i look like dog

spice spire
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I’ve never seen what u look like

earnest remnant
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lies

spice spire
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Except I know ur a raccoon

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No I’m like 95% sure

thorn fjord
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@quiet oar Got ash, dream carver and thorn last night 🤌🤌

earnest remnant
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i had it as my pfp for like 3 days

spice spire
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In like 2020? When you were a sub OTP? No shot I’d remember that

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Or see that

earnest remnant
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no like half a year ago

royal lantern
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join trade channel to get something crafted

a druid writing "i hate all those people that only accept meta healers"

leave trade channel

thorn fjord
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Don’t ask me how

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It just was

spice spire
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Oh I fucked up then

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Only know raccoon stealthi

earnest remnant
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ok, just picture the generic male kpop idol

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more or less accurate

spice spire
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Would

thorn fjord
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So he’s not a raccoon… he’s a robot

spice spire
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Sorry

gusty mirage
royal lantern
thorn fjord
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It’s a simple life

gusty mirage
earnest remnant
gusty mirage
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idk what any kpop idols look like

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but stealthi's hot as fuck

gusty mirage
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I'd change my name to #1 stealthi simp

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but then @marble hemlock would get grumpy that I "change my name all the time"

spice spire
gusty mirage
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@earnest remnant confirm?

spice spire
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Man is numbed to me

marble hemlock
thorn fjord
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Damn

gusty mirage
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20s? what am I supposed to do with the extra 15s after I'm done fapping?

marble hemlock
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kpop idol looking mf

spice spire
raven egret
marble hemlock
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stealthi hot af

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and blessed with good gaming skills too

gusty mirage
royal lantern
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cheats

thorn fjord
spice spire
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Oh I do remember that pfp

earnest remnant
royal lantern
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stealthi doing mod power abuse again

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smh my head

gusty mirage
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how do you know it wasn't me

spice spire
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Legitimately thought it was just a random K-pop pfp ngl

gusty mirage
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@earnest remnant depositions need to be banned

earnest remnant
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agreed

green silo
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pls no ban

spice spire
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Good looking man btw stealthi good stuff

gusty mirage
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this shit is fucking miserable bro

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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discovery is an all encompassing term bud

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a deposition IS discovery

thorn fjord
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Oh

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Shoulda brought a snickers

gusty mirage
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discovery is generally any and all supporting documentary, interrogatories, requests to produce, depositions, etc

raven egret
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I need to be my lawyer so I can sue my guild for unlawful removal of PI

thorn fjord
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Ah ok

raven egret
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mostly so I can meme them to death with it

manic quartz
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i'm torn between Torch and Boon, i bought Ashes with my two first bullions and this is the last week my guild even does raids, so im thinking maybe boon for m+?

spice spire
gusty mirage
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How about you learn how to type so you don't have to edit every single message

raven egret
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I kinda like torch for M+ too tbh

spice spire
gusty mirage
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torch is sick for both tbh

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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a lot of on demand damage

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is super nice to have

spice spire
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I’m a boon simp for rogue tho

thorn fjord
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Group wiping and the problem mob is at 10%? TORCH IT

gusty mirage
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you have to factor in the potato brain into the sim dps

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if you play with people who might actually be mops with a headset on

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torch all day

thorn fjord
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Couldn’t find the I’m a mop gif from family guy

raven egret
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chances are boon gets you killed more than Torch too, so then you only feed other people's torches. And thats a shame!

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yeah ok would have to be a mop to die due to boon but still

spice spire
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Shadowstep evasion and cloak suskaygeagreegebusiness

quiet oar
thorn fjord
spice spire
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There’s a reason I like it for rogue

shy pecan
quiet oar
raven egret
manic quartz
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How bad it is to use Ashes/ 2nd on use(boon/grief) as Assa m+

lavish pine
manic quartz
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or should i get statstick trinket

spice spire
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Don’t think it’s that bad but not 100% ashes wants to be with CDs

gusty mirage
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you just make sure you use ashes w/ DM

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and damage trinket outside of CDs

spice spire
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Boon/torch is just agnostic and another cd you get

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Get out of my head oxi

vast loom
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i really like grieftorch as 2nd trinket

raven egret
vast loom
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it comes up right after our CD window

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unless people die on pull MadgeDistort

manic quartz
vestal wren
lavish pine
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And for the second bullion piece of eq would you advise the second trinket or the ring that gives fire dmg? (Seal of diurnas chosen)

manic quartz
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if i play both assa and sub in raid and m+ torch is what im gravitating towards

vast loom
vestal wren
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can talent out of it

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^^

vast loom
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cant catch me running around without a 2nd life tbh

gusty mirage
raven egret
vast loom
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cheat is a dps cd

gusty mirage
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facts

unborn wharf
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!wa

bright turret
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sub lookin rough after a single night of WCL data, seems kind of weird

rocky sluice
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
errant swallow
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Good morning fellow assassins

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Beautiful day, huh

bright turret
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i was speculating something must be bugged

soft shale
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yea we got divorced from aakari again

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happens

bright turret
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cause they are at the bottom of smolderon

soft shale
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just need to marry again after seducing her

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for the 11th time

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like an indian drama

digital venture
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what should I get as 2nd bulion item? I got 2 hc track daggers and a LFR torch? I got ashes 1st bulion :p

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also, excited to log and try the sin buffs!

vestal wren
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so it looks worse than it actually is

bright turret
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How much % are they missing

vestal wren
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well

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lets look

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!sheet

prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
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would say a noticable amount

indigo epoch
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grieftorch or bottle? have both, bottle sims better, having a hard time believing it.

vestal wren
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torch sims without resets

raven egret
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torch stole my heart

indigo epoch
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also, is it just me, or are all daggers pretty much shit this tier?

raven egret
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I promise I am not intentionally misdirecting to another DPS

indigo epoch
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they all seem like sidegrades, no clear winnner for me

raven egret
bright turret
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not every tier is gonna have a dagger with an OP proc

raven egret
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can theoretically farm a heroic Nick from Doti but... yeah

bright turret
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nick of time does exist though

indigo epoch
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you're right i guess, used to nick last season.

bright turret
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get ion on the horn and tell him to add sylv dagger to bullion vendor

slate crown
wild condor
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Hey guys when do we use ashes in our opener? Is it with deathmark?

gleaming geyser
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With kingsbane. You can add it to your your castsequence shadow dance/kingsbane macro if you want

wild condor
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Okay cool and quick question which spec is better to bring to raid, sin or sub?

dark token
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ur pick

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they similar now

still creek
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Is there any updated PI sims after buff? need some numbers to convince RL tonight

gusty mirage
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Would need bloodmallet to update the simc build they use for their charts

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or un momento

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profileset."PI"+=external_buffs.pool=power_infusion:120:1

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off the top of my head, if you toss this at the end of your simc input in an advanced sim

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that should show you your PI gains

flint marsh
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yo is someone able to link me to the icon packs

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or point me in the direction

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lost everything on new pc

vestal wren
vestal wren
flint marsh
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those actually look cool thanks but I remember there being like a "dark" icon pack of some kind in here

vestal wren
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quantity is assumed to be 1 if not present so both is correct

high jetty
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Icon/nelths is 1.5% better for me than torch on single target and dung slice. I wonder if resets make up for that.

Does torch outsim stat sticks for other people generally?

vestal wren
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(added the wiki link to the above)

gusty mirage
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so I wouldn't be shocked to see nelth/icon simming better for other people now

high jetty
gusty mirage
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ye its a very good trinket, I wish they didn't nerf it

rotund oak
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after 2:30 hours got my 2nd inv for the weekly quest

gusty mirage
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because it gave obscene stats originally KEKW

rotund oak
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💀

high jetty
potent raven
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how troll is this

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i need to know

frigid pilot
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sin stonks rn stonks

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whispyr told blizzard to brick sectech

potent raven
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oxi told me to not use deeper

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i trust him

junior aurora
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-1 lethality, -1 acro, +1 alacrity, +1 deeper

clever sapphire
potent raven
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no acro kills me

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in so many scenarios

junior aurora
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its assa you dont need it

thorn fjord
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Oxi always asks me to go deeper

potent raven
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smh it feels so hard to play without acro

kindred mirage
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Why do i need a ring which does fire dmg? Bec as far as i know sin rogue doesnt do fire dmg

potent raven
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ur helm enchant does fire damage

royal lantern
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head enchant does fire dmg

potent raven
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which procs the ring

clever sapphire
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your head is fire

kindred mirage
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ah i see thanks guys

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the cowl

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?

clever sapphire
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nah

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s3 enchant

royal lantern
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decent-ish, but not really worth it

kindred mirage
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ohhh that one!!! ty

clever sapphire
potent raven
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yea lol

clever sapphire
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ya thats me

potent raven
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cuz i play sub and it uses acro

royal lantern
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it also helps that acro is also not really that much of a big thing for assa

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or in aoe makes stuff more akward cus IC/Splatter are not affected by it

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meanwhile outlaw with no acro is unplayable

clever sapphire
potent raven
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outlaw without acro

keen spruce
thorn fjord
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Incoming outlaw is unplayable spec cause brrrr

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Nice they hot fixed the issue pretty quickly

arctic socket
clever sapphire
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took some time for someone to react to it dracthyr_kek

vast loom
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sudden demise in open world content is actually just OP

arctic socket
foggy juniper
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was about to get ashes from vendor but.... is this right?

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though ashes would sim higher

clever sapphire
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whats your current gear? monkahmm

arctic socket
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That’s your trinket 1

clever sapphire
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signet is good for fights that go on for 5+ minutes

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grieftorch is grieftorch, its op, everyone loves it

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anvil?

foggy juniper
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prob gonna grab grieftorch since i do a lot of m+

clever sapphire
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whats your current on use tho

foggy juniper
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puzzle and cct

clever sapphire
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ew puzzle

foggy juniper
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yep

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gotta swap it for manic

clever sapphire
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naaah you need one on use for assa

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and that should be ashes

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just always paired with your 2 min burst

foggy juniper
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but manic :/

clever sapphire
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it just doesnt sim as high because you already have an on use

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what did you grab with your 1st thingy?

foggy juniper
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crit/mast dagger was what was simmin higher

clever sapphire
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1 mean seeing as cct is your other trinket, just go for grieftorch and grab ashes next week

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cause you wont really be getting a good statstick

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and in theorie you could get ashes from this weeks raid

foggy juniper
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but next week i will have 2 on use

clever sapphire
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yap ashes and grief

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or ashes and boon

arctic socket
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Ashes and grief for st

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Ashes and boon for aoe

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Use ashes with your cds

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The other on use out of cds

clever sapphire
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ashes and grief is good for m+ too tho

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so dont think about it as an ST only trinket

foggy juniper
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hmmm boon for aoe, but since manic is op for m+... i would run boon on other slot or ashes?

clever sapphire
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ashes is a must have imo

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it just gives you insane dmg

gusty mirage
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Yeah ashes everywhere, it’s like using 2 potions of ultimate power with every death mark

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It’s too strong

clever sapphire
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the other slot is gonna be grief or boon (im probably sticking to grief no matter what)

arctic socket
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If you’re running with pugs use grief

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Solid group / know dungeon? Hit up boon

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E z

clever sapphire
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but boon will do pretty much 0 for you regarding boss dmg

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but ye what mr onlyfans said

arctic socket
#

Makes your overall look good

clever sapphire
#

if you have a group and they will play around your boon

#

insane dps

arctic socket
#

Boon is like my 4th overall

foggy juniper
clever sapphire
#

i mean grief is just really nice in many dungeons this season

gusty mirage
#

Super useful for bosses where things need to die (Trogg boss in Ulda, last boss brackenhide)

arctic socket
clever sapphire
#

brh totem? GRIEFTORCH, av shield crystal thingy? GRIEFTORCH, ulda totem? GRIEFTORCH, anything extra spawns that you dislike? GRIEFTORCH

arctic socket
#

Yeah

#

Greif torch / ashes big

gusty mirage
#

Plus someone always dies on trogg boss

arctic socket
#

Someone always dies

#

Anywhere

gusty mirage
#

Dps seem allergic to pressing defensives and kicks this season

#

It’s wild

arctic socket
#

Someone else will do it get that last little dps out

clever sapphire
gusty mirage
#

Yes

arctic socket
#

If you can’t understand that means Nut then go, you get ZERO action and it’s showing

clever sapphire
arctic socket
#

Hop off wow go outside

gusty mirage
#

I like their explanation better than yours

#

Guy farting and running toward tears

clever sapphire
clever sapphire
arctic socket
#

From your previous comments, you’re not playing inside anything

clever sapphire
#

no dirty thoughts here

arctic socket
gusty mirage
arctic socket
#

It’s not even tears tho

foggy juniper
#

need to decide if my alt will be a war or ret, help me decide it :3

foggy juniper
#

i love war mobility compared to ret slow ass

clever sapphire
#

ret

#

ret broken

foggy juniper
#

but ret has so much more utility..

arctic socket
#

Ret isn’t slow

#

Huh

gusty mirage
#

Ret easily

#

Esp in these dungos

arctic socket
#

Ret is no longer wheel chair dog

foggy juniper
#

way slower

arctic socket
#

Cap

gusty mirage
#

Cleanse, bop, sac, LoH, brez

clever sapphire
gusty mirage
#

Just too good

clever sapphire
#

rocks dont leave me 2ez

naive crane
#

we go wafting for m+ too?

gusty mirage
#

Wafting everywhere. The dps dif isn’t worth dumping gold swapping or having multiple daggers

clever sapphire
#

also ret is easy afaik, so perfect as an alt

#

just hop on it and chill

#

outdps everyone

foggy juniper
# arctic socket Cap

war have passive move speed, 2 charges and a leap, the leap alone with the move speed talent make it better than 2 charges of steed

arctic socket
foggy juniper
#

meh

arctic socket
#

The slow class is dk

foggy juniper
#

charge op

sand dirge
#

u guys crafting ring/bracers or waist/bracers?

foggy juniper
#

skip some mechanics, its like a worse shadowstep

clever sapphire
#

ret gets invited into a key 10 minutes before a warrior, so its faster

clever sapphire
#

didnt get any good rings

foggy juniper
arctic socket
#

Don’t craft a ring

#

Earnog ring

#

N sheild

#

You can also straight up buy it soon

foggy juniper
#

not to mention historically war always had more ups than ret, if ret is dogshit you are doomed, will need to tank or heal, while war have 2 dps specs

sand dirge
#

on whispyrs bis list its eranog/diurna rings. on simulationcraft its titanic signet/eranog

foggy juniper
#

if fury is meh ( like this season ) arms is smashing

dark quiver
#

any good sin content creator/ streamer i can watch? 🙂

arctic socket
#

Dinurna ring biiig shield

#

That = more hp

#

More hp = more silken uptime

#

= more dps

sand dirge
#

seems legit

quiet oar
arctic socket
#

Checks out

royal lantern
#

didnt use a single deffensive

#

not even bubble

#

just nothing

gusty mirage
#

thank god they're low on defensive buttons

royal lantern
#

dying as ret is an artform

#

you must try REALLY hard to pull it of

gusty mirage
#

the 500 iq play is to try to proc ret aura without dying

autumn frost
#

They were just being considerate of the grief torch users

junior aurora
#

gotta press aura mastery on something useful

arctic socket
clever sapphire
dark token
#

illidan ring

clever sapphire
#

ah from that raid

autumn frost
#

I'm suprised the eranog ring isn't better then the signet of titanic insight

#

Oh i was referring to the pinned message about best in slot

dark token
#

i dont have eranog ring

#

it doesnt win anyway i have so low haste/crit

clever sapphire
#

excuse me, this isnt a holy pala

gusty mirage
#

it's like adding 20k dps via an external helps

dark token
#

was losing previously

#

im not playing sin without pi

gusty mirage
#

understandable

#

if you wanted to do mid dps you could just play sub

potent raven
#

oh

gusty mirage
#

sorry too busy pressing wings and dying to mechanics

#

can't read

subtle cipher
#

LMAO

gusty mirage
#

I wish I was joking

#

I did that first pull in uldaman

#

and stood in the big trogg swirlie and died

clever sapphire
subtle cipher
potent raven
gusty mirage
#

in our defense

gusty mirage
#

I forgot that was even a mechanic

#

because I stopped running uldaman after getting my portal

#

because fuck that dungeon

#

gave me kings rest vibes

#

never a good week to do it

#

tyran week? the bosses suck dick

#

fort week? the trash sucks dick

junior aurora
#

uldaman is fucked yea

gusty mirage
#

like there's no winning

subtle cipher
#

But yeah @foggy juniper ret had way more bad days than war

clever sapphire
#

last week was fine imo

subtle cipher
#

Not to mention the 2 specs

junior aurora
#

any 5 boss dungeon is fucked it feels

clever sapphire
#

well only did a 10

subtle cipher
#

If ret is on a bad state gg

gusty mirage
#

yeah if ret is bad it's absolutely dogshit

#

there's no in between where you go "oh it's decent the utility makes up for it"

subtle cipher
#

At least on war you can bounce between arms and fury

junior aurora
#

wasnt the guy asking for an alt rn

subtle cipher
#

Yeah

gusty mirage
#

ye

#

warrior is safe though

subtle cipher
#

Is like the risk of playing sp

gusty mirage
#

cause you can also tank keys for a good change of pace and prot warrior is looking like it'll be sick in tww

subtle cipher
#

If sp is bad you better heal

gusty mirage
#

or feral

junior aurora
#

tanking gonna be so stagnant

subtle cipher
gusty mirage
#

you either heal/tank/acquire brain damage

gusty mirage
#

which does close to nothing

#

oh no 2 less seconds

#

anyway

junior aurora
#

they nerfed the cdr too i think

#

but still

#

2 charges of chains/silence/misery is crazy

gusty mirage
#

2 charges of chains/silence/misery, bonkers damage, bonkers self healing

junior aurora
#

and then chaos nova on top

#

and chaos brand

gusty mirage
#

and darkness

subtle cipher
#

Hvd was ever bad?

junior aurora
#

only thing they’re missing is a brez

subtle cipher
#

Skipped last 6 years

#

Hdh*

gusty mirage
#

even if it was bad

#

it had chaos brand

junior aurora
#

Havoc has been bad yeah but you still bring it

gusty mirage
#

so you always took them because wizards are always broken

junior aurora
#

vengeance last 2 seasons since their rework has been disgusting though

#

probably moreso than blood in shadowlands at this point

gusty mirage
#

blood dk in SL was ALMOST as broken as bdk in legion

#

BDKs could solo entire dungeons in legion

#

they were literally unkillable

junior aurora
#

BDKs soloed entire dungeons in bfa and sl too just took longer

gusty mirage
#

true KEKW

#

and prot warrior existed in bfa

junior aurora
#

Maybe not bfa actually, twilight dev on a blood was unethical

gusty mirage
#

up until corruption bdk was dogshit

#

you'd only ever really want one for sanguine weeks

#

prot warrior was just better

quiet oar
gusty mirage
#

because outlaw was broken

junior aurora
#

triple outlaw keys

gusty mirage
#

never forget the prot warrior/hpal/2 outlaw rogues/either ww monk or fire mage

subtle cipher
#

Sadly war has 0 utility @foggy juniper but to be a good ret you need to pay attention to other shit too

#

If you want to just dps, go war

junior aurora
#

outlaw was actually fun in bfa tho

subtle cipher
#

A ret that don't use his kit is just useless

gusty mirage
#

bro rip rally

#

I can't believe they gutted it to that level

#

it's actually fucking useless now

junior aurora
#

they need to give warriors bloodlust

#

it fits thematically

#

and prot tanks need something utility wise tbh

gusty mirage
#

they just need to implement the group wide spell reflect leggo from SL

#

bam utility

junior aurora
#

my groups tank rolled off prot warrior this xpac bc it was hard to justify bringing it

gusty mirage
#

so they either need to buff the shit out of its damage

#

or give it utility

#

weird that the tank with the 2nd most utility also had the most damage

#

like all expac

junior aurora
#

which one was that

gusty mirage
#

vdh

junior aurora
#

vdh has the most utility now right

gusty mirage
#

it has the most cc utility

#

but in terms of overall utility prot pal is still king

junior aurora
#

plus purge

#

i guess prot pala has brez/heals tho

gusty mirage
#

cleanse, freedom, bop, sac, loh, wogs actually heal, spellward, brez

hexed willow
#

I feel like bear only really came into force during s2 with how strong its self healing and damage was

gusty mirage
#

but prot pala also has the risk of just getting deleted randomly

#

so it's kinda balanced lol

hexed willow
#

Otherwise it’s been prot/vdh as long

gusty mirage
#

bro bear druids down cataclysmically

junior aurora
#

bear has a lot of utility too but like no reason at all to bring one over a paladin

dark token
#

lol is droptimizer fucked

#

why is everything 502

#

i simmed mythic

hexed willow
royal lantern
gusty mirage
junior aurora
#

the guild im bumming raid clears off rn actually has 2 arms warriors its crazy

royal lantern
#

ye cus arms is stronk rn

#

and fury is kinda dodo

#

aka warriors cry that blizz hates warrior

gusty mirage
#

fury just got buffed, should help a bit

royal lantern
hexed willow
#

Bear’s ursoc and stampede are both niche but so damn good

gusty mirage
#

fury's still not great

royal lantern
#

fuck fury, let arms be better for once

hexed willow
#

And an aoe stop is always good

gusty mirage
#

BASED

#

WE LOVE ARMS

junior aurora
#

Yeah but we just do heroic so spec performance doesnt matter as much

royal lantern
#

fury is the play in 90% of the tiers

gusty mirage
royal lantern
#

and everytime arms is better they go balistic

gusty mirage
#

cuz fury is tanky as fuck

#

so if it does comparable damage you just default fury

subtle cipher
#

As ret you are fucked

#

🤷🏻‍♂️

royal lantern
#

good, fuck ret aswell

gusty mirage
#

nah you can swap hpal with your 18 healing CDs

#

dw

hexed willow
#

Ret is great

junior aurora
#

but again this is a guy asking for an alt

gusty mirage
#

someone decided hpal needed 35 binds ig

junior aurora
#

he can just play his main if ret is fucked lol

hexed willow
#

Great utility, simple, and fun

royal lantern
subtle cipher
gusty mirage
#

the real preschool spec is destro warlock

#

their spellbook doesn't even get halfway down the 2nd column on the first page

junior aurora
#

sorry oxi the utility buttons dont glow on my screen so how do i know when to press them

gusty mirage
#

on cd friend

hexed willow
gusty mirage
#

that way when someone needs it

#

you say its on cooldown

junior aurora
#

oh true

subtle cipher
#

Holy pal is that bad? Did some 12-13s with a play heal and was pretty rough

junior aurora
#

warlock is a funny class to me bc ive never played with a pug warlock that was good

gusty mirage
#

there's SO many buttons its wild

subtle cipher
junior aurora
#

i rolled warlock for a few tiers in SL to see if it was hard to play or something and it was not, so i still dont know why warlock players suck

subtle cipher
hexed willow
#

Same with DH

gusty mirage
royal lantern
subtle cipher
#

It's either Uber broken or unplayable

gusty mirage
#

I haven't touched hpal since s1 of shadowlands

junior aurora
gusty mirage
#

so when I tried it last season I was just confused af

#

lmao

hexed willow
subtle cipher
safe marsh
#

can someone tell me the best way to deal fire dmg for Diurnas ring?

subtle cipher
safe marsh
#

thats nuf?! ez af tyvm

hexed willow
autumn frost
#

what's the depressing neck?

hexed willow
#

The 463 Kazzak neck

#

Blazefury medallion

#

Was only available during the wow anniversary event, random drop

royal lantern
#

we are not outlaws mate

hexed willow
hexed willow
#

Whispyr simmed all the fun stuff

subtle cipher
high jetty
#

Early logs are looking very middle of the pack. Which is fuckin perfect

chilly marsh
#

ashes is that bad in m+ ? this sim looks wrong

sturdy sequoia
#

Cruel Dreamcarver - which buff r we goin in general? mecha?

vestal wren
#

!dagger

vestal wren
#

beast, demon or mecha

sturdy sequoia
#

ty

vestal wren
#

mecha is technically not a "cheat death"

#

you gain hp back when you fall below a certain %

sturdy sequoia
#

yaya i see

hexed willow
#

Dragonkin is amazing since it’s actually 10% speed in m+ and raids

high jetty
chilly marsh
gaunt moat
wispy apex
#

Hello, is it ok to bind dance/kingsbane?

gusty mirage
high jetty
digital folio
#

Dont we lose some dps by not using dance at the later part of our kingsbane ?

chilly marsh
#

no you use at the start to snapshot the dmg

chilly marsh
high jetty
chilly marsh
#

i dont mind boon play got used to it

#

rogue can cloak if needed and SS to a safer place if needed too

#

mine is doing like 35-45M dmg in a key

real pike
#

god I love sin but fight damage depending so hard on timings is getting sad

#

boss dying just before a DM hurts man

hexed willow
#

I find it the most relaxing rogue spec to play

royal wraith
#

What are peeps buying with their bullions this week

#

I'm torn between trinekt options

hexed willow
#

I’m gonna get ashes since I got passed on heroic ashes 😦

real pike
#

I'm getting the stealy cloak

hexed willow
#

I considered the sark cloak but it breaks stealth still and I hate using it in m+/prog

primal jolt
#

nothing like fishing

#

and listening to bangers on spotify

real pike
#

absolutely gutting it breaks stealth

primal jolt
#

!stealthbreak

prisma monolithBOT
#

Stealth can break from:

  • Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
  • Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
  • Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
  • Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
  • Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)
wispy apex
#

Do you still use Ashes after around 3 seconds into KB?

gusty mirage
#

doesn't matter anymore, you can slap it on a macro with DM now

#

but yeah ideally 2-3s in you pop ashes

#

to absolutely min-max

earnest remnant
#

@gusty mirage did you see they took Destro out back and kill it?

gusty mirage
#

when

earnest remnant
#

capped shard gen on AoE

gusty mirage
#

its been 2 years

#

they can get over s3/s4 of SL

#

stop nerfing the poor spec

#

it's already dead

earnest remnant
#

yeah it was only turbo broken in keys

#

now its not

#

legit nerfing their mass AoE by like 60% XDDDDDDDD

hexed willow
earnest remnant
#

it was supposed to get capped back in SL but the talent never got that treatment going into DF

#

but it now seems like they activated that previous nerf again

hexed willow
#

Rip

spice spire
earnest remnant
#

im gonna banana you

spice spire
#

Also RIP destro

spice spire
gusty mirage
#

and I asked

#

what now bitch

spice spire
#

Swear to god I’m gonna post things that’ll make moroes blush

dark token
#

i accidentally used spatter on smold

#

xD

indigo epoch
#

if i craft a dagger, what stats? crit/mast?

dark token
#

dont craft dagger just bullion one

#

its a waste

indigo epoch
#

been spending bullion on outlaw stuff 😦

dark token
#

u should spend on multispec stuff

primal jolt
#

continue playing outlaw then

dark token
#

grieftorch/eranog ring

indigo epoch
#

well sorta, grieftorch is multi

dark token
#

i bought grief/sark cape

primal jolt
#

if youre swapping to sin after the buffs

#

youre making a mistake

#

outlaw is still better

#

assuming you wanna play the stronger spec

indigo epoch
#

i always enjoyed assasination more

#

group didnt lemme go ass till buffs

#

because their dumbasses.

primal jolt
#

you need a new group

indigo epoch
#

nah, they my homies

rain oyster
#

^

dark token
#

enjoying my swap so far

#

smold spatter was kinda int tho

subtle tundra
#

yea i cant get those

dark token
alpine juniper
#

Is Sin Rogue back?

subtle tundra
#

i still do bad damage

#

and ill never get PI

alpine juniper
#

So do I but that is because I am bad. What seems to be the go-to build for M+?

marble hemlock
#

i was surprisingly pumping today

#

i dont even know why

autumn frost
#

We did get a buff

#

And they fixed a bug

hexed willow
#

Imo

autumn frost
#

What do people go for 10+?

alpine juniper
#

Above 10? IG the cleave build from last season is not ideal?

autumn frost
#

hybrid?

hexed willow
#

Hybrid or cleave since you can benefit from the full KB, though I believe arterial is still great

#

This is just from what I’ve heard, I like arterial for the aoe shiv

alpine juniper
#

The issue I have is, I dislike managing tempest with envenom buff

steel ridge
#

!dagger

marble hemlock
#

bossdam on gnarlroot

#

not feeling like shit anymore

#

with PI and decent baseline

gusty mirage
#

but we got there

subtle tundra
#

still PI spec

coral stratus
#

I'm praying raid tonight drops daggers and trinkets. The pirate life isn't for me

gusty mirage
alpine juniper
#

I wish CT did dmg on hit so we could ignore envenom

gusty mirage
#

I think your devoker is missing hands

primal jolt
#

when i make a raid

#

i make sure to invite everyone 30ilvls below me

#

so i can feed my own ego

earnest remnant
gusty mirage
#

not really no

earnest remnant
#

oof

gusty mirage
#

I'll just log on and do my elemental storms like a good lil casual

earnest remnant
#

i looked at my vault

gusty mirage
#

so I can finish this stupid fucking meta achievement

earnest remnant
#

then i log'd off again

gusty mirage
#

omg

#

twins

#

I did that on my pally

#

rolled eggnog ring in the heroic slot

#

unfort

earnest remnant
#

busy playing Lost ark

marble hemlock
#

playing with 1 embellishment cuz i dont have 2nd spark yet OMEGALUL

waxen oyster
#

devoker is fine wdym

#

casual 400k sim

#

already

vast loom
lavish pine
#

Quick question 🙂

What would be best for me to buy with bullion this week?
2nd trinket (currently have ashes) / a good dagger (I have random ones) / A ring (I have random ones)

vast loom
#

i went for 2 trinkets

#

but you can droptimizer it

lavish pine
#

true! forgot about that !! thanks

vast loom
#

plan is trinkets > eggnog ring > random stuff