assassination

[fleet coral]

meh i love that elephant guy

[cloud basin]

I have a myth track call to suffering so idk if I'll be replacing it unless I get torch same ilevel

[fleet coral]

i love making logs on hc

[rotund oak]

use icon

[fleet coral]

:p

[primal jolt]

im keeping call to suffering so i dont have to think about another damn thing as rogue

[fleet coral]

so need hc log making trinks

torch only have 1 use at 2 min fights

no one dies at hc

[cloud basin]

So for m+, do we tab target to put caustic on several mobs?

[fleet coral]

nope

[neat plank]

it can only be on 1 mob

[fleet coral]

no need

to change

if target have good health bar :p

ah wait you asked 2nd caustic

no way

[cloud basin]

I'm just dumb then LOL

It's not as hard as i thought it would be to learn/swap from arms.

[fleet coral]

Most comfortable spec

On rogue

[cloud basin]

Indeed. I'm ready to flip coins lol

[uneven summit]

saaaame

[rotund oak]

u dont need ppl to die to reset torch

priest angel form resets it as well

and even if u dont get resets its 2 casts on a fight

thats 2.2mil dmg

[fleet coral]

it means death too

shaman reincarnation resets it well too then

[rotund oak]

yes it does,both reset it

[fleet coral]

xD

[rotund oak]

idk why priest angel form means death

he can press it and free cast

[fleet coral]

cuz when its not talented u didn't get revive yourself

like reincarnation

never played whiteknight tbh

[rotund oak]

thats easily solvable then

[neat plank]

ass is the only spec that still feels like a rogue to me, even though I dislike shadow dance being part of it now

and I'm also bothered by being a slave to Envenom recasts within its timer, but that's going away next tier so np

[rotund oak]

i like rogue as a class in general

focusing on 1 specc rather than the class as a hole i think its wrong

[sharp viper]

only with the pvp talent, in pve it's death only

[rotund oak]

interesting

[neat plank]

I definitely enjoyed rogue the most before they made every tree its own spec 🙂

[hexed willow]

How do you wrap your head around shadow dust for sub? I love the concept but memorizing the different usages on a fight by fight basis fuck with my head

Love the other 2 specs though

[fleet coral]

both specs is rogue is fine

[rotund oak]

its a general guideline-direction thing as for when to vanish.Requires alot of planning and thinking thats for sure

ild say its more of an experience thing as u realize conditions and timing to send cds

but in all the guides stealthi wrote are a very good way to start from somewhere

coz dust sub is a no-joke

very mental draining

[fleet coral]

after 2 opener at dust sub

i'm confused

if i'm playing sub boss need to die asap

Only smolderon fight suits it

3 openers

[rotund oak]

yeah sub numbers fall the more prolonged a fight becomes

in smaller fights its such a high burst profile that overalls look crazy

e.g stealthi was doing overalls in s3 that are relative to s4

[fleet coral]

but u can use it with 3 sequence macro no joking

[neat plank]

I enjoy ass & sub burst because when playing Outlaw and some add needs to die really fast I feel completely limp and weak, have nothing to press to do serious damage 🙂

[rotund oak]

on small kill timers

[fleet coral]

every opener with macro they do

[fleet coral]

really hate outlaw

[rotund oak]

i dont think macroing with current sub works

coz there are small ''time inconsistencies''

[fleet coral]

most complex class on wow

[rotund oak]

its not like sin

[fleet coral]

sin not can be macro friendly for now

[rotund oak]

doubt outlaw is more complicated than sub

[fleet coral]

yep it is

situational gameplay things

[rotund oak]

i dont think so

its very fast paced

thats why its harder

[fleet coral]

sub is stable

[rotund oak]

but in terms of complexity its not there

[fleet coral]

you just need to get used to it

[sharp viper]

yup

[rotund oak]

yeah pretty much thats outlaw

its a fixed rotational thing with procs,even rolling rng is on minimal rn

[fleet coral]

but outlaw situations changing

[rotund oak]

not rly,its just diff outcoems

[fleet coral]

idk actually since last try

it was sl

[rotund oak]

the ultimate difference is when u vanish before dance

and press bte

thats all

sub is rly more complicated than that

[marble hemlock]

die yourself and get a CR then

[rotund oak]

there are conditions in sub that u have to keep ur dance while sending symbols on cd

[marble hemlock]

if you die yourself that also resets torch

[rotund oak]

🫶

[fleet coral]

ultimate solution

[rotund oak]

bird of hermes

amirite

[fleet coral]

but you know there is no solution without dying

[marble hemlock]

death is inevitable, so might as well do some dps before you drop

[fleet coral]

maybe blizz makes cheat death/purgatory like effects count for torch

[marble hemlock]

thatd be too strong methinks

[rotund oak]

bratwurst is one of the best sausages ive ever had

irrelevant but factual

[marble hemlock]

true

thüringer rostbratwurst is my soulfood

[rotund oak]

weiss beer

heaven

[fleet coral]

i'ma go for torch with next bullions

You convinced

[rotund oak]

seli can convince a dying man to stand on his feet and dance

rank 1 skills

[marble hemlock]

i mean, its just a very simple trinket really. and on demand burst damage is never bad

[fleet coral]

2 use trinket makes me sick really 😦

[marble hemlock]

especially for us who basically have no on demand burst beyond our kb

[fleet coral]

i love elephant guy trink

[marble hemlock]

if it were 2 stat boost trinkets id agree

but a damage on use is just kinda chill

[fleet coral]

so envenom buff drops when we channeling it aight ?

xD what a deep calculate

[fleet coral]

sometimes it gives good uptime

[marble hemlock]

its like a 2sec cast

so losing your envenom chain because you crast grieftorch is a matter of bad play

and in some cases it can even be a gain, i.e. casting grieftorch when sarkareth does his breath and you are out of melee for 1-3sec

perfect time to cast grief

[fleet coral]

hmm so there is places grieftorch to hold

but risking death cd ressets

what is the difference need to sim it

[fleet coral]

siming grief pretending like no die resets right ?

[gusty mirage]

ye sims don't account for people standing in bad and dying

so if its big dps for you in sims, it'll be even more dps if you play with monkeys

[fleet coral]

for abberrus playing with monkey teams makes good logs 😛

[gusty mirage]

true

[dawn karma]

Greetings! so question. I'm playing with several builds, all variants/copies from Method and wowhead. I realized last night that my mastery is 72%~, and my haste is around 12. Don't remember my crit. My dps is not where I feel it should be for 480~ ilvl (though I lost my four set bonus with the new season). Is this most likely a rotation/build issue, or did the new season gear/my gems and enchants take my mastery too far?

[spice surge]

You should not be losing your tier set bonus

[dawn karma]

It's just because I'm swaping season teir

[spice surge]

Dont

Until you have 4 new pieces

[dawn karma]

I'm 2/2 on season 3, and 2/2 season 4

ah. I see what you mean.

whoops.

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[spice surge]

Also it doesnt really matter how you've distributed your stats, it has very little impact on your damage

[dawn karma]

Heard. Haste=energy regin, yes? Or am I losing my mind? Mained rogue since wrath, but this is the first xpac that I've been subpar on my dps. At least according to my personal standards/goals.

[spice surge]

Yes youll get marginally more energy with more haste

But again, if you do low dps, its absolutely 100% not because of stats

The difference between "perfect" stats and the "worst possible" stats is not big

[fleet coral]

So wear highest availaible agility gear asap

[dawn karma]

Gotcha. It's a me thing then 🤣 . Appreciate the feedback! is there a specific channel for log posting?

[dawn karma]

Heard. I'll quit looking a secondary, and soly focus on which new piece has the highest agility buff. Normally that's what I check, but I'm not sure how specific I've been looking. Appreciate it!

[gusty mirage]

you can just post it here and one of the greens or me/fuu can make you a thread for it

[dawn karma]

Gotcha. I'll work on getting some thrown together tonight/tomorrow. Thank's for all y'all's feed back!

[thorn fjord]

Mondays blow

Hi everyone

[dawn karma]

Faaaaact. I’m hiding in my classroom while I don’t have students yet. The dread of seeing children is setting in.

[gusty mirage]

brother

I was driving to work, drove past the "problem" area in less than 10 minutes

which is unheard of

and I was suspicious

then I got to the part of my drive that's usually a breeze

bumper to bumper stopped traffic, a light was out

[thorn fjord]

Fuck they got you with the bait and switch

Think they’ll ever let us roll more than one spec in vault?

Sucks having to decide between daggers and other MHs

Would rather let rng do its thing and have both on the loot table

[pure moth]

Just never play outlaw. easy

[thorn fjord]

[quiet oar]

idk man

[royal lantern]

the energy "gain" from haste is absolutely minimal and on the level where you cant even really notice it

like, the base gain is 1 energy more each second for 10% haste, thats 1 mutilate more every min (cus mut cost is 55 energy and stuff)

there is also the "yeha, your bleeds tick a bit faster cus of haste and that generates energy" thing, but thats also very very small and not something you actually will notice or can even play around

[split cipher]

I could feel it in BFA with the haste stact CT build, but beyond having literally 200% haste I can't tell the difference between 10 and 40

[thorn fjord]

Secondary stats have changed since bfa iirc

[split cipher]

DR soft caps, unsure if haste fuctions differently though

[gusty mirage]

functions the same

but ye you're 100% right about feeling the difference in bfa with all the corruption

5% haste on gear hits a bit diffy when you have "increases the amount of haste you gain from all sources by 12%" x like 8

[royal lantern]

ye, ofc you will notice things like 60% or more compared to 0%

or like, just general huge haste boosts like Heroism+Pi at once

but thats not the haste difference you get from normal gearing where its always 2-3% more or less with a gear replacement

[split cipher]

yeah that's what I'm saying, outside of extremes haste energy gen is literally undetectable

[gusty mirage]

the only secondary people can actually "feel" is probably crit

because it's very clear when you fok 8T and get 1 or 2 CP

[split cipher]

fan on 8 mobs, 1 cp

dead inside

[gusty mirage]

it's even more soul crushing defeat when you have like 40% crit

and realize you missed 8 dif coinflips

[split cipher]

My group has gotten tired of me asking what's the odds of failing a 40% 10 times

[gusty mirage]

[visual coyote]

Am I right in thinking the champ nick is as good as a myth dagger and only a hero nick is a better oh. Got the normal one just want to double check I can never step into that dungeon ever again

[thorn fjord]

Verse too because we be living through shit

[royal lantern]

and thats why we get a coinflip spec

[gleaming geyser]

correct; first two of HM DOTI until hero track nick

[subtle cipher]

Assassination

Ability and auto-attack damage increased by 6%. Does not affect PvP combat.

SPEC SAVED??? LESS GOOO

[gusty mirage]

I mean

[subtle cipher]

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't say saved

but def helps

REMEMBER WHEN THEY NERFED AUTO ATTACK DAMAGE BY 4% 2 MONTHS AGO?

I DO

WEIRD THEY REVERSED THAT

[subtle cipher]

what ability even means lol

[gusty mirage]

aura buff for all abilities

so each spec has an "aura" that blizz can use to tweak damage up and down

[subtle cipher]

oh, so 6% overall

[gusty mirage]

so they just tune that number up slightly, and then they can tune white auto attack dmg separately

that's why they specified both

[dawn karma]

Understood. Thanks!

[subtle cipher]

lmao those affliction buffs

[vast loom]

usually an aura buff results in less gain then they said so like a 6% aura buff might come out to like a 4% dps boost

[subtle tundra]

sex percent

wowerz

now nerf kb

[gusty mirage]

ye because they don't include AA damage

but this one does

[subtle tundra]

holy shoiyt!

[gusty mirage]

(:

[vast loom]

well also trinkets and procs and stuff arnt apart of the aura

[gusty mirage]

it won't be 6%

but yeah

it's closer than previous aura buffs cause of the AA buff

[normal mist]

Assa is saved

Aaah

[subtle tundra]

nuh uh we're still pee AYYY spec

[vast loom]

yeah that is true

[normal mist]

No more dooming

[timid talon]

we're back?

[raven egret]

WTF are we allowed to receive buffs!?!

[gusty mirage]

yes now get PI

and still do mediocre damage

but like

[normal mist]

Just pay the priest

[gusty mirage]

5.5% more

the fundamental issues are still present

this is just a generic aura buff to make us cope it out longer

[subtle cipher]

there are no issues

everything is fine

[raven egret]

I ran out of copium last month

[gusty mirage]

like it's nice to get a buff, but this buff does fuck all in the grand scheme of things

[subtle cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/unicorn-rainbow-fly-magical-animated-gif-12782614

[proven jasper]

[raven egret]

It's all suffering

[subtle tundra]

i still wont get PI and do shit damage 🙂

my guild is full of PI beggers

[normal mist]

Beg harder

[gusty mirage]

it's okay, you can swap to sub and cope that your spec does damage because you're able to abuse the fact that everything dies really fast

[subtle tundra]

i dont beg

if i get it, i get it

if i dont, suck me

[raven egret]

I give a /w uwu to my priest, my priest gives PI. Now law can change that

[subtle tundra]

i dont ask

[gusty mirage]

cause sub's damage isn't great either

it's just giga inflated by quick kills

[subtle tundra]

i never ask for pi

[thorn fjord]

You demand it

[gusty mirage]

give me your priest's discord info

I'll make them give it to you

[deft quiver]

What’s with the tier set fix they mentioned as well?

[subtle cipher]

give me your priest address

[ember mural]

Assa buff

[subtle cipher]

he will pi you on ow

[thorn fjord]

Give me your address 👀

[gusty mirage]

so they reworked the way attack speed did stuff a while ago

and that resulted in the attack speed bonus actually causing us to lose dps

because 🍝

[thorn fjord]

We can never catch a break lawl

[errant swallow]

Is this a dream?

[timid talon]

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-over-we're-so-back-gif-8676070423384596188

[deft quiver]

lol, is that a substantial fix % wise you think?

[errant swallow]

Are we back?

https://tenor.com/view/hype-get-turn-up-lit-gif-15908191

[gusty mirage]

the fix is a good chunk of dps, so with the aura and attack damage buff, if you get PI you will do solid damage

[spice spire]

Real

[thorn fjord]

No you're Dac

[errant swallow]

[dark token]

im swapping sin now

sub is turbo dead

[gusty mirage]

I'm hesitant to say good damage

[spice spire]

It’s also a little more % since they’re adjusting the tier as well

Idk if it’ll be more than middle of the pack

But middle of the pack is better than bottom feeder

[timid talon]

Its over for me because i spent my bullion on outlaw, so my fingers are crossed sin still sucks

[gleaming geyser]

middle pack is goated spot

[normal mist]

Same on the fist weapon hehe

[deft quiver]

It was hilarious getting rank 1s this week and only being top 5 dmg in raid

[gusty mirage]

this should even that out more though

[rotund oak]

[gusty mirage]

good buffs, we'll have to see if its enough to make assa top third

def takes it out of the gutters though

[dark token]

how much is the 4p fix

[gusty mirage]

and ngl I cba simming it, so you'll have to wait for either whispyr to wake up or bother fuu to do it

[dark token]

i actually think assa overtakes sub

[gusty mirage]

yeah it will with PI now

[woven frost]

I’m grateful for any buff

[odd ingot]

buff

buff

buff

buff

[dark token]

except on specific fights/fight lengths where sub is good

[odd ingot]

buff

buff

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[gusty mirage]

because before w/ PI you did as much damage as sub

[thorn fjord]

Jesus christ

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

stop pinging people please

not for stuff like this anyway

[odd ingot]

Sorry 😦

[raven egret]

I really did feel the cost of the PI tax last season

[marble hemlock]

deleting it wont make the ping go away, just means he cant see what he got pinged for

but yeah anyway

think this is gonna be like what

6-7% total

[odd ingot]

Last nerf

[gusty mirage]

yep, it's fucking horseshit

esp because they promised us they wouldn't balance around externals

[odd ingot]

we got nerf like 2% right ?

[rotund oak]

Rogue
Assassination
Ability and auto-attack damage increased by 6%. Does not affect PvP combat.
Fixed an issue that caused the Assassination Rogue Season 3/Season 4 bonus to do slightly less damage than intended.

[odd ingot]

And kingsbane affected us around 3 to 4 %

[rotund oak]

[raven egret]

My main alt is a priest, both as a giver and receiver I'm in the delete PI camp 😁

[subtle tundra]

still PI spec, still tww waiting room!

[manic quartz]

isnt ability and autoattack dmg like really good thing 😮

[gusty mirage]

yes

[deft quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-member-memberberries-south-park-i-remember-oh-yeah-gif-20408218

[gusty mirage]

it's a good thing

[deft quiver]

‘Member at the start of S3 when we were dps gods among men?

[normal mist]

Sin receives a buff
Channel: SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE TYPING

[rotund oak]

are we gonna do good now 😍

[vast loom]

maybe i try sin tomorrow 🙂

ive been sub gaming since fryakk prog

[dark token]

we might be bis PI now

[thorn fjord]

Great now the channel is going to be cancer all day lol

[dark token]

it depends on how much the 4set buff is

[raven egret]

I don't even know what the issue was

[thorn fjord]

You guys let me know how it goes 😛

Oxi pins the best pins

[marble hemlock]

dont tell me to touch grass. thats just you being paid by the tick lobby to give me lyme disease.

[dark token]

we go about to warlock without 4p fix or changing pi distribution

[gusty mirage]

it was roughly 7kish DPS from the sims I saw from Koji

re: the bug

[keen spruce]

warlock also got buffed

[gusty mirage]

whatever % that is

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage does smoking grass count?

[gusty mirage]

yeah man go wild

[dark token]

so i guess we tie sub now at reasonable fight lengths

and with PI can do more

[keen spruce]

hi @gusty mirage big fan

[gusty mirage]

hi duck man, I miss you ❤️

[marble hemlock]

hi @gusty mirage big lover

[gusty mirage]

:3

ily2 seli

[thorn fjord]

We take affi buffs tho

[keen spruce]

rogue from far away

[subtle cipher]

those affliction buffs tho

[marble hemlock]

we have a chicken restaurant thats serving 100% halal food, wanna come over?

[subtle cipher]

they are that shit currently?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/sometimes-maybe-good-maybe-shit-gif-15610659

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

the aff buffs weren't insane

number big but only on a couple of abilities

[royal lantern]

YOOOOOOOOO

[thorn fjord]

merry christmas

[royal lantern]

hey look

the auto attack nerf reverted

I WONDER WHY

MAYBE BECAUSE IT WAS STUPID IN THE FIRST PLACE

[gusty mirage]

weird huh

[lavish jasper]

Wasn't it attack speed that was nerfed?

[fallow canopy]

old man that yelled at clouds gets rewarded with validation

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-think-thinking-gif-4280214517394111861

[lavish jasper]

Or am I just membering that wrong?

[gusty mirage]

nah they straight nerfed auto attack damage

with the last KB nerf lmao

[lavish jasper]

Oh I wasn't playing then ye RIP 😄

[cursive frost]

Feels like this buff is best we could have hoped for in one pass

[gusty mirage]

but roughly this puts assa on par with sub damage

meaning with PI we should in theory be a top 5ish spec?

[thorn fjord]

Gotta start dming my priest

Nice things

[gusty mirage]

(rough guesstimates pls no bully)

[real solar]

@gusty mirage good morning

[gusty mirage]

gm king

[real solar]

heavy on good

[grim jay]

no

[fallow canopy]

bout to hit my RL with the oxi screenshot brb

[gusty mirage]

[lavish jasper]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

why no

[royal lantern]

no no no no no no

make it stop

[gusty mirage]

WE'RE BACK TO BEING A PI SPEC BABY

ENJOY

(we never stopped)

meanwhile I'm pressing my 3 button rotation on ret paladin and doing more damage

[thorn fjord]

Cries in pirate

I still dont have a dagger

[grim jay]

idk about the tier set thingy, but the 6% alone is prolly still more than 6k behind sub

and we still wont get pi

[gusty mirage]

how is it still 6k behind sub

[slate crown]

Just saw the post r we happi or angi

[gusty mirage]

6% won't be a full 6% right, because that doesn't affect eggnog ring, grieftorch or helm enchant

[grim jay]

right

[gusty mirage]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

sub is at 374

assa is at 354

[manic quartz]

im at 301 because i suck

[gusty mirage]

354 x 5.5% (assuming 0.5% of the damage is the item shit) is 374k

[grim jay]

my uneducated guesstimate was 4%

[gusty mirage]

well you'd be right if they also didn't buff auto attack damage

because it roughly ends up around 4ish%

[marble hemlock]

i mean tbf

[gusty mirage]

if they don't do that

[marble hemlock]

aas are like

almnost nothing anymore

[wary harness]

its a 6% from the fixed rogue

[gusty mirage]

[lavish jasper]

😦

[wary harness]

so actually its maybe even more than a raw 6% isnt it?

[rotund oak]

hahahahahaha that is actually from the Greek league,a mythical interview after a postpwnd match

[gusty mirage]

I mean even assuming 5%

it's at 372k

[timid talon]

ive been saying this for years, big tick is behind this touch grass movement

[gusty mirage]

which is neck and neck with sub

[grim jay]

2.3% head enchant, 4,6% signet, 1,1% diurna ring

[thorn fjord]

And thats with no PI right?

[gusty mirage]

correct

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/eZLULsY.png

[gusty mirage]

dog

[marble hemlock]

if it was just pure aura

and not aura+AA

is little difference these days

but ye

[rotund oak]

[marble hemlock]

its nice that its both

[rotund oak]

yup

we vibin sin

[keen spruce]

i mean this "one of my most quoted interview answers"

[rotund oak]

even in keys

[keen spruce]

i missquoted exi

oxi

[marble hemlock]

but were far from the >20% melee days nowadays, where aura buffs were deceiving

[gaunt sigil]

Aura buff

[rotund oak]

ik man,still funny sht

[gaunt sigil]

I’d rather specific ability tuning than aura buffs but we take those

[keen spruce]

it's a pretty great answer to any question about how your life is going

[gusty mirage]

First wave of Awakened tuning is in, Assassination is receiving a much needed buff. This is a really really good step in the right direction. Be excited, but be cautious and maybe go outside and touch grass or something idk. Love you all ❤️

EDIT: Fuu simmed it, send him your love right now or I'm muting you for a week

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jMzC7NdpoxWGoxn1zUaCmw
DISCLAIMER: THIS DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE BUGFIX TO THE 2PC, THE SIMS ABOVE ALREADY INCLUDE THE TIER SET FIX MAKING THIS A TOTAL OF 7.3%ISH COMPARED TO LIVE SERVERS AND I HOPE THIS MAKES FROZENSOVIET FEEL A TEENY BIT BETTER ABOUT THIS PIN
Essentially now w/o PI, it's about equal footing with sub/mm hunter, if you slap on an extra 20-21k from PI you're suddenly up there with enhance/havoc/ww so firmly still middle of the pack, but upper middle

tldr: you're not inting by playing assassination anymore

[grand trail]

Is assa back or still ass?

[gusty mirage]

still ass without PI

[odd ingot]

hmmm

[dark token]

even with 4set fix?

[fallow canopy]

love you @vestal wren

[slate crown]

Thanks @fuu

[dark token]

less than 6%

[slate crown]

fuck

[gusty mirage]

it's the 2pc

not the 4pc

[dark token]

not enough

[rotund oak]

😍 😍 😍

[grand trail]

that sim dps

[grim jay]

uh I overestimated the external damage that doesnt get amped 😄

[grand trail]

is still among the worst i think

[hollow dirge]

Does this account in he tier set thingie? Or we do not know what slightly lower means yet? 😂

[gusty mirage]

that was simmed with weekly which didn't include koji's fix for the tier set bug

[subtle tundra]

the tier set wasnt bugged in the sims

or?

[gusty mirage]

so that's with the fixed bug

the nightly has the compensation for the bug

[dark token]

im pretty sure you can sim with bugs=0

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah

[dark token]

and see the bugfix

[vestal wren]

tier bug

if you want to read up on it, thats the simc commit

[subtle tundra]

arent we getting nerfed too?

[slate crown]

wait so you're saying I've been wrong to have bugs=200 in all my sim imports this whole time?

[subtle tundra]

cause.....

[vestal wren]

can just use weekly

[subtle tundra]

we get fixed?

[slim hamlet]

el classico aura + auto attack buff

[dark token]

[gusty mirage]

no, the bug was a dps loss

[slim hamlet]

you love to see it

[dark token]

ah i see

[vestal wren]

the weekly has the commit for the tier set bug not in it

[dark token]

its 5.3% sim increase

but more real world

because of the bugfix

[subtle tundra]

the sub 2pc?

[vestal wren]

no

frozen

its 5.3%

[gusty mirage]

no no, the actual assa 2pc was bugged varas

[vestal wren]

because i did sim with weekly

[grim jay]

nothing wrong with aura buffs if the distribution of the damage is right. stands to argue if it is where it should be tho

[subtle tundra]

ok blud

[vestal wren]

and that does not include the bug

[dark token]

weekly didnt have the bug implemented

[rotund oak]

[dark token]

so you simmed no bug vs no bug

[gusty mirage]

ye

[rotund oak]

oh

[dark token]

and just aura + autotk is 5.3%

[rotund oak]

cool

[dark token]

but REAL WORLD had the bug

[vestal wren]

yes

[ebon notch]

Which bug

[dark token]

hence real world patch is more than 5.3%

[gusty mirage]

so you'll be doing more damage on reset

[slim hamlet]

Was more because we have gotten so many aura + auto attack buffs later in seasons

[vestal wren]

i hope i got the correct auras, but

profileset."buffs"+=override.spell_data="effect.1083092.base_value=3"
profileset."buffs"+=override.spell_data="effect.1083092.base_value=3"```

[slim hamlet]

It truly is a classic

[vestal wren]

feel free to double check

[gusty mirage]

there was a bug with the 2pc causing assa to do less damage

[dark token]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/1394e0ff92dee0de7732107b6325777bf951e968

[thorny rain]

so is sin back on the menu?

[dark token]

so i guess

[ebon notch]

Amazing

[dark token]

sim weekly vs nightly

[vestal wren]

^ this is the bug

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[dark token]

and you can see the bug effect

?

[gusty mirage]

slap a PI on that bad boy

and it's above 400k

[ebon notch]

Lmao

[vestal wren]

lets do that too

[thorn fjord]

PI still sitting around 9% buff?

[gusty mirage]

slap in your boomkins standing in stupid and being made of paper

and some grief resets

and BAM

(still worse than devoker unlucky)

[grim jay]

I could prolly sneak myself a PI tbh

might be worth considering

[gusty mirage]

dw babes, bloodmallet finally populated rogue stuff

[thorn fjord]

Send all the nudes to your priests boys

WE GAMIN

[grim jay]

I have a priest girl

[midnight atlas]

assa rework too strong. nerf. nerf again more. assa too weak now. lets buff it again

[gusty mirage]

the aura buff will lessen the gap here

[thorn fjord]

oh then maybe ask before you send

Dont wanna be that guy

[keen spruce]

5.3% puts us like

almost equal to UH

well

[slim hamlet]

Pesky dev evokers

[digital venture]

will the assa buffs make the spec a little more viable or we'll still be crushed in m+ by outlaw and raids by sub?

[keen spruce]

actually that's not how that works

but it'll be close ye

[grim jay]

dunno where that raids by sub comes from

when ol is better

[gusty mirage]

because sub can abuse the quick kill timers better than outlaw

because outlaw has 0 burst

[vestal wren]

with pi
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dWdFmEQmXmzcf5Y2Y25GdG

[grim jay]

the real question is how good sin will be in m+ now, might be better than sub atleast, unless huge pulls

[proven jasper]

[vast loom]

outlaw is always weird you feel like you do 0 dmg on pull compared to everyone else then over the next 3-4 min you slowly rise

[digital venture]

we are going into amidrassil next reset which lines up with the buffs, wasn't sub godlike in that tier?

[slim hamlet]

Overdrive

[gusty mirage]

nah the next 3-4 minutes everyone else is falling while you're still chilling

[vast loom]

well rising in the meters

you are doing the smae dmg

[gusty mirage]

which tbh is a good niche to have

[grim jay]

pretty good on some bosses, but not all by far to offset balancing

[gusty mirage]

strong consistent damage is undervalued

not enough neurons activated in the monkey brain to make people appreciate outlaw tbh

[lavish jasper]

Wasn't sub randomly rlly good on Smolderon cuz cd timings?

[keen spruce]

yes

[gusty mirage]

ye it got to fit more in the orb windows

[keen spruce]

smold basically made for sub

[vestal wren]

yes sub is rly good on smold

[gusty mirage]

so it looked broken

[digital venture]

it's true that ol has a very flat dmg profile but that's why I dislike it so much, academy 1st pull for sin is amazing xD

[thorn fjord]

Yo and Mutilate no longer takes 2 charges of Fragment anymore right?

Saw someone say that

[gusty mirage]

where did you see someone say that

[thorn fjord]

Here

Think it was Shmeeps

[proven jasper]

It still does definitely

[gusty mirage]

blessed

[keen spruce]

why tf would I say that

[lavish jasper]

Dunno boys I'm playing Assa as it is already, so bigger numbers = Happy Me 😄

[keen spruce]

I don't even play this game

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4p2swJASohEvercW9eXiBH

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

Someone said it was fixed

[vestal wren]

dungeon slice

[thorn fjord]

wtf o.O

[gusty mirage]

it literally can't do that @thorn fjord without them redoing the entirety of how the spell is coded

[vestal wren]

also just keep in mind i assumed they put the assassiantion aura from -3 to +3

[thorn fjord]

hmm

[gusty mirage]

mutilate = 2 dif attacks, each has a dif spell id (one for MH and one for OH)

[odd ingot]

It's... huge.

[vestal wren]

whats 6%, but it could be lower than that

[gusty mirage]

so you press mutilate, and the game casts 2 spells at the same time

look at logs

[vestal wren]

its, slightly ahead of sub

[gusty mirage]

it'll literally never be "fixed" because there's nothing to fix

[thorn fjord]

Shits weak

[spice spire]

Mf thinks I can read

[thorn fjord]

Now i need an ash

[vestal wren]

but not even close to outlaw

[gusty mirage]

what was bugged about fragment

was simc wasn't deducting 2 stacks for mutilate

that was the only "bug"

[spice spire]

Warrior > rogue

[proven jasper]

[faint vessel]

soo I have a mythic + hero dagger combo, is it assassination arc now?

[gusty mirage]

🤝

now blackmail a priest into giving you PI

[steel ridge]

do we know what the tierset fix is about?

[thorn fjord]

This shits going live tomorrow?

[faint vessel]

ye

[gusty mirage]

2pc attack speed bonus was reducing the AP bonus for auto attacks I believe

that got fixed

[runic basin]

Is this the moment we are back or just a good step ?

[keen spruce]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LdPImV63o2PPJ5PO0IjICfUo1jVsmJUCsA3hp38rp2Y/edit#slide=id.p

we're so back

[split jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-we-are-so-back-nightcrawler-lou-bloom-gif-15162091166909902657

[steel ridge]

is that big or not really?

[thorn fjord]

Didnt have sin buffs on my bingo card for today

Thanks dad @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

from the sims, it cost us a good chunk of damage

[thorn fjord]

This was surely your doing

[gusty mirage]

essentially now w/o PI, it's about equal footing with sub/mm hunter

slap on an extra 20-21k from PI

and you're suddenly up there with enhance/havoc/ww

so firmly still middle of the pack, but upper middle

tldr: you're not inting by playing assassination anymore

[thorn fjord]

Upper Middle class is a nice place to be tbh

[steel ridge]

yay

[split jewel]

Off to go catch me a pocket PI

[gusty mirage]

if these get nerfed, this buff is more than enough

which tbh

what the actual fuck is that even

devoker just casually doing 40k more than the median?

[runic basin]

But is it ahead of sub/ol ?

[thorn fjord]

READ

[gusty mirage]

still below outlaw in terms of a 5min sim, on equal footing with sub

[keen spruce]

bruther

[runic basin]

Nice

[gusty mirage]

if there are damage amp windows, outlaw will get shat on by assa/sub

because outlaw has like 0 burst

[keen spruce]

[past forum]

No matter what I’m doing I’m always very capable of inting, thank you very much

[shy pecan]

I dunno if they'll nerf devoker

[thorn fjord]

My gear blows for sin right now

Bleh

[gusty mirage]

proud of you for sticking to your guns 🤝

[gusty mirage]

how

[thorn fjord]

So much verse barely any haste

Mastery is meh

[gusty mirage]

oh dear god

ED

@shy pecan I NEED YOU

[royal lantern]

hey, its a bit much, but let them enjoy the time until they all get send into the aug gulag again

[past forum]

The best part of having balanced stats is getting to need everything cause the “stats are good for you”

[gusty mirage]

fixed with 2x BSL

what's next

haste?

wafting

ggs

done

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

gl hf

[subtle tundra]

crit? phial

[royal lantern]

i have 34% vers rn

[subtle tundra]

gg

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

assa literally has no bad stats lmao

[thorn fjord]

I love you optimism @gusty mirage

You’re right tho

[royal lantern]

thats how all specs should be tbh

[gusty mirage]

I think you'll survive without the 1-2% dps optimization for "bis" stats

[thorn fjord]

Yeah true

[ruby birch]

Intelligence

Or intellect

[gleaming geyser]

int is good for nature damage, surely

[ruby birch]

Whatever the fuck spellcasters use

[wispy ember]

Ability and auto-attack damage increased by 6%. Does not affect PvP combat.
Fixed an issue that caused the Assassination Rogue Season 3/Season 4 bonus to do slightly less damage than intended. now stronger as sub?

[ruby birch]

No

[trail tree]

probably not no

[static glacier]

would the buffs change trinket choice? (im coping here)

[keen spruce]

unlikely

[gusty mirage]

nah nah we need more of that around here

[spice spire]

I won’t

Sorry king

[runic basin]

!fuu

[keen spruce]

not before they give us better flavors of glue

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

smartnesseses

[gusty mirage]

of ashes and grief? probably not. Makes the stat sticks a little bit better though if you cba dealing with 2 on use

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire blizz knew you were about to resub so they gave you a gift

[marble hemlock]

Yep.

[gusty mirage]

could potentially justify dropping grieftorch for any of the stat stick trinkets now

[keen spruce]

incarnate

[royal lantern]

needs 2 others using it

[keen spruce]

grieftorch is just puzzlebox in disguise anyways

[hexed tinsel]

Irideus should be cool rightt?

[gusty mirage]

no

[vast loom]

grieftorch is just more fun 🙂

[gusty mirage]

it's bad for assa

[keen spruce]

no rock

rock bad

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

ye but grieftorch makes fireballs go brrrrrr and funny bar bigger

[gusty mirage]

why does this turn into zac halfway through?

[shy pecan]

What have I taught you @thorn fjord?

about stats

[keen spruce]

idk i was bored

you escaped this one @gusty mirage cuz your pfp is too zoomed in

and it only got your forehead and eyes

[thorn fjord]

Poor Zac lmao

[gusty mirage]

I wish we could have official discord gifs

just so I can save all of yours to RH forever

[spice spire]

I’m not even in here

We in

[hexed tinsel]

embersoul then?

or what

[royal lantern]

exsang icon jumpscare

[keen spruce]

no one yeets george

[shy nest]

how close is assa with the buffs compared to sub?

[robust axle]

Even

[spice spire]

Amen brother

[ruby birch]

Boss dependent and timer dependent

[static glacier]

yeah figured

[spice spire]

We have a pin already froends

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers, ashes of the embersoul always. 2nd trinket between grieftorch and any of the stat sticks

[errant swallow]

BRB re rafting shit to crit/mastery

[forest nacelle]

same

also

how do i pool better?

do i just count 3seconds?

[gusty mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[forest nacelle]

Ooooo a tool

[thorn fjord]

Afk for coffee in between CDs

[keen spruce]

you pool to 90% energy

don't really count it out

[royal lantern]

what a good day

getting Kebab with my brother and assa buffs

[forest nacelle]

i thought it was between 50%-70%?

[gusty mirage]

I'm screenshotting the pin before whispyr wakes up and deletes it and writes his own

my pins never stay

[keen spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG0zGACDAuY

[violet jackal]

Oof

[thorn fjord]

Wonder how whispyr will react when he wakes up

[keen spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNSIr7TB7c

[gusty mirage]

about the same as he always does

angry

[thorn fjord]

tru

[shy pecan]

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

In honor of sin buffs i will have a nice lunch today

Thanks blizzard

[keen spruce]

me go gym

then have shitty lunch cuz trying to lose weight

[bright turret]

can still have good lunch? just eat smaller portion

[spice spire]

Brother lunch doesn’t have to be shorty to lose weight

[gusty mirage]

based

[keen spruce]

smaller portion means hungy sooner

[thorn fjord]

Just drink more water

Trick your brain

[gusty mirage]

just fit in more volume eating

[keen spruce]

bigger portion of healthy means hungy later

[grim jay]

just eat a ton of baked sweet potato. tastes great and smol calories

[spice spire]

Amen

[gusty mirage]

potatoes are actually the real mvp of weight loss

[spice spire]

Sweet potatoes mince turkey kale and onion for lunch today

Bangs

[keen spruce]

i do have a bunch of sweet potatoes already cooked. but i've got hella leftovers i gotta eat

[orchid haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn fjord]

I'll prob get Chicken Kitchen

[keen spruce]

chikin and bison and rice o my

[misty comet]

Salad. Forgot the tuna to go with it.

[lofty junco]

is this still good for if i wana keep the acrobatic strikes? https://i.imgur.com/ercCH4v.jpeg

[spice spire]

Franks my goat

Comes through clutch

[lofty junco]

jsut returned after like 2 or 3 patches

[keen spruce]

for acro you'd move alacrity over to lethality

iirc

[thorn fjord]

Ugh i forgot Acro wasnt in our optimal loadout

t-rex arms again

[keen spruce]

like dis i think

[marble hemlock]

ye

its lethality+acro or alac+ds

gives you a bit more burst since lethality applies to all of KB

less sustained dmg tho

[rotund oak]

seli back to sin streaming when

[marble hemlock]

maybe never? idk

[keen spruce]

Seli dont' even post in #1146207476983812117

[rotund oak]

😦

[keen spruce]

he's not gonna stream

smh my head

[marble hemlock]

i did

a few days ago

stop lying

[keen spruce]

imma be honest

i didnt' scroll very far

during my audit

[lofty junco]

and for the right side?

[keen spruce]

for m+?

probably this in most cases

just drop imp poisons for CT

CT go kinda crazy in big pulls

[lofty junco]

M+ and open world stuff, since i have a lot of story to get done

[royal lantern]

nova posts are rare, but always BiS

[keen spruce]

open work it don't rly matter, either one would work

[lofty junco]

ty for the help

[keen spruce]

[lofty junco]

https://i.imgur.com/3iRsJbM.jpeg for raid this still ok?

[oblique jackal]

A buff !!!

[lofty junco]

[rotund oak]

need tea

tea extends the tier set 4p dmg tech by pressing envenom on top of an envenom buff

other than that ye idk,looks fine

[static glacier]

mastery on kingsbane is big too

[rotund oak]

yup

[misty holly]

It took them 6 months to revert that stupid 3% aura nerf from December. What the hell...

[gusty mirage]

[static glacier]

pi got us nerfed change my mind

[gusty mirage]

why would I change your mind about being right

[wise socket]

aug got us nerfed because the hooks are shit

[static glacier]

xd

actually such a gross spell

[primal jolt]

ASSA BUFFS GANG

[fervent rune]

Do you guys think the buff will put sin on par with sub in raid?

[hoary remnant]

yes and internal bleeding for pure st fights

[static glacier]

depends on fight length tbh

[lofty junco]

btw what is awakened mentioned in the pin?

[wise socket]

season name

[lofty junco]

[static glacier]

fourth season of wow expansion, alternating raids become "awakened" and are harder + drop better loot

[dark token]

no

[lofty junco]

any new zone? or everything else is the same?

[dark token]

SIN WILL BE BETTER THAN SUB

[keen spruce]

it's just a victory lap season. DF dungeons for m+, some new currencies. replay the DF raids

[scenic nacelle]

[fervent rune]

Hahaha man I hope so

[keen spruce]

nothin new

[clever sapphire]

assa doesnt need buffs, nerf assa (10 nokhud)

[lofty junco]

basicaly just gearing season for easier TWW leveling?

[keen spruce]

more or less yeah

[lofty junco]

[keen spruce]

same as fated from shadowlands

[lofty junco]

well i did quit after the first raid of SL

[dark token]

what about sp/mage

[lofty junco]

until DF

[clever sapphire]

we dont talk about those

[keen spruce]

same

[lofty junco]

question is, did they solve the Shadow gameplay?

[wintry trout]

Yooo assassins stonks up?

[lofty junco]

will probably then just try out more things, so that i have more then 1 character with professions^^

can't wait for assa hero talents

do we know when they gonna reveal them?

[spice spire]

Down actually, we lost damage

[keen spruce]

fatebound got posted

a couple of days ago

[thorn fjord]

Someone will me a dagger drop

[spice spire]

I’m being very sarcastic btw

[thorn fjord]

It’s gotta happen

[spice spire]

Sorry

[dark token]

1m details dps (no aug)

[keen spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/archon-priest-and-fatebound-rogue-hero-talent-trees-now-on-wowhead-339164#rogue-fatebound

can also check #tww-assassination for more discussion on all that

[spice surge]

Is the sim in the pins including the fixes to the tier?

[gusty mirage]

yes

it was simmed weekly

koji's commit made it in nightly but not weekly

[spice surge]

I see

[forest nacelle]

after watching this video, my sustain went from 165k on the target dummy, to 185k (roughly) and bursting WAY higher 😄 on retail live before patch >:) can't wait till tomorow now!

[gusty mirage]

@spice surge I suppose we should have koji make sure his adjustment doesn't get implemented assuming its fixed

[spice surge]

Sheeesh, good job man

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

You never know, theyve said stuff was gonna be fixed before

[sick radish]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[forest nacelle]

imagine playing correctly xD

[gusty mirage]

ig we toss a star on it and pray

[dark token]

yes and no

the sim is the new sim dps with the fix in place

but its more than 5.3% gain in real world terms since we did NOT have the fix in place in real world

[rotund oak]

bro gonna have us nerfed before the buffs

or what

[pure bridge]

This one of those cases, where sin is actually dope as hell in keys imo, but just "bad" in raid. Isnt this kind of what happened with spriest and fire mage S3.

[grim jay]

best dungeon rotation so far

[gusty mirage]

its okay t be wrong davyn

I still love you

[misty holly]

How do so many people have abilities after their name?

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

what would you say was the best then tho? 😄

[narrow marsh]

How are the buffs looking 👀👀👀

[gusty mirage]

each channel has one of these messages pinned

or if you'd like I can just manually assign you one

[gusty mirage]

anything that removes uldaman from my life

and the game

dogshit fucking dungeon

honorable mention to halls of cringe

[thorn fjord]

No is dog shit

[vast loom]

like this ezclap

[grim jay]

hard agree, but the other rotations had 2 bad dungeons

[misty holly]

I found it, thank you!

[gusty mirage]

outside of graveyard boss its not too bad

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Having to break stealth and fly around blows

[gusty mirage]

brother you're preaching to the choir

my anvil stacks

[vast loom]

it sucks more for outlaw:)

watching my rolls and ADR just fall off is so sad

we should get a mounted stealth thing in deathstalker

🙂

[shy pecan]

My friends got tired of me saying “My stacks…” when my Anvil stacks dropped off going from one pack to the next

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-old-man-bye-tears-gif-3577944

us to our anvil stacks

[royal lantern]

cant wait for fcking siege in TWW

and 100% that warlock/hunter pets still bug on the endboss

[gusty mirage]

yeah me neither

I'm totally playing tww

[spice spire]

Real

[clever sapphire]

workin on it no worries

[royal lantern]

trading oxi with quake

[dark token]

heres an actual sim with bugfix + buffs btw

bugfix was 2% and buffs was 5.3%

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3FpGaiDmDWwLDHuuxntSzs

[rotund oak]

this sounds more reasonable

🤝

[errant swallow]

Crafted pieces are mastery/crit iirc, right?

[rotund oak]

ye

but sim yourself

[errant swallow]

Ty

[rotund oak]

yw fam

[dark token]

@gusty mirage

[errant swallow]

Will do, I'm just trying to get information while at work

[gusty mirage]

why are you tagging me in this

[dark token]

cause the sim in ur pin is misleading

[gusty mirage]

no its not

[dark token]

it doesnt take in account bugfix

[gusty mirage]

yes it does

lol

[dark token]

it does vs the previous sim

not vs real world assa perf

[gusty mirage]

so how does that not take into account the bug fix

[dark token]

because the bug was ingame

[gusty mirage]

correct

[dark token]

we gained 7.3% power this week

not 5.3%

[errant swallow]

I've gained happyness

[dark token]

bugfix was 2% and 5.3% from aura buffs

[gusty mirage]

uhuh

[dark token]

your sim implies its 5.3% gain

[errant swallow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vPmBbdbcfYAkxQcSprJSPy

[gusty mirage]

my sim implies the aura buff is a 5.3% gain?

weird

[errant swallow]

That's pre buffs

[gusty mirage]

would you feel better if I put a giant disclaimer in big bold letters that says "THIS DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT THE 2PC WAS BUGGED AND IS NOW SUPPOSEDLY FIXED"?

[indigo epoch]

Yes.

[dark token]

yes actually

people check pin and think its less buff than it is

[proven jasper]

[gusty mirage]

I mean considering no one knew about the bug prior to 2 days ago

your hyperfixation about it being "misleading" is a little weird bud

[proven jasper]

Yeah world might end if they dont know the difference between 2%

Tbh

[gusty mirage]

the end result is the total number, correct?

[dark token]

yes

[gusty mirage]

which is... the same as your 7%

sooo

[indigo epoch]

Pfft m+ invites depend on it hahaha

DENIED

[rotund oak]

actually laughed at this^^

[dark token]

its just a slightly bigger buff than the sim shows is what i meant

[gusty mirage]

you claim it's misleading, but the sim just says buff

[dark token]

people will just look at the 5.3% number

[gusty mirage]

a bug fix is not a buff, it's a bug fix