assassination

[shy pecan]

Viet Nam

[thorn fjord]

oof

[marble hemlock]

he pays in dong

[thorn fjord]

delicious

[shy pecan]

Hahahahahaha

[rotund oak]

ok i was very wrong

[junior aurora]

about what

[rotund oak]

stealthi is korean right?

[junior aurora]

yea

[marble hemlock]

are you a nguyen, tran or le?

[rotund oak]

ye vietnam is several thousand miles away

[shy pecan]

I mean, @spice spire and @junior aurora probably wouldn't have assumed I was Asian from my voice

[shy pecan]

Hint: I use inphamous as my nickname 🙂

[junior aurora]

Thats why i assumed you just grew up in portland

[marble hemlock]

nguyen it is then

[junior aurora]

and i assume you are in portland bc your a blazers fan lol

[shy pecan]

This MFer lol

[shy pecan]

Also this lol

[marble hemlock]

tbf the odds of getting that one right with 3 guesses is like... 50% i think?

[spice spire]

I assume nothing based on voice

[shy pecan]

Fair

[junior aurora]

it can be 66% if they let you change your answer

[marble hemlock]

so pham it is then i suppose

[shy pecan]

gj

now I just doxxed myself

[spice spire]

They cracked the code

[shy pecan]

jk

[spice spire]

The very hard code to crack

[marble hemlock]

jk, theres millions of them

[shy pecan]

Actually, surprisingly, I looked up my name and there weren't a lot of

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/KDk2VtU.png

not even top3 smh

[shy pecan]

Top 3 overrated tbh

[rotund oak]

those are the most frequent surnames in vietnam?

[marble hemlock]

ye

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[junior aurora]

i worked with 2 vietnamese people and they didnt have any of those last names

[rotund oak]

holysht bro

lol

[junior aurora]

one was a truong and one was a vo

[rotund oak]

only 4?

[marble hemlock]

the top 4

but together they make up like 50% of the entire population

[shy pecan]

Yeah, Truong and Vo aren't as common

[rotund oak]

wait isnt vietnam supposed to be close to 100mil

i mean the population

[junior aurora]

those mfers always made me mad as shit

walking into the breakroom smelling all the good ass food

[marble hemlock]

ye, and those 4 alone are >40mil

[junior aurora]

as i walk to the vending machine

[rotund oak]

thats nuts man

[thorn fjord]

sadge with the 70 😦

[earnest remnant]

i sound like im 12

[shy pecan]

That's a lie

[earnest remnant]

and that im perma tired (which is correct)

[rotund oak]

korea vs vietnam

[thorn fjord]

rogue that won the torch was only 460 IL 😦

hater

[earnest remnant]

nuh uh

[rotund oak]

welcome to pugging,its where u never win anything

[shy pecan]

I've heard you talk. Might agree with the tired part though

[junior aurora]

he needed it more it sounds

[earnest remnant]

i talk quietly and without emotion

its great

people think im mad all the time

which is great

cuz then i can avoid talking to people

10/10

[rotund oak]

more like a depression indication,also stop being mad,we want you happy

[shy pecan]

That was a nice chill night when we were all hanging in disc chatting with Realz

[earnest remnant]

im never mad

[shy pecan]

and then zac comes in and Realz is like "okay, bye"

[earnest remnant]

im unbothered

unaffected

[rotund oak]

Hulk never said

lul

[earnest remnant]

just cruising along

[shy pecan]

Can confirm

[rotund oak]

much enjoying the chill vibes then

but u need some positivity man

the blood to pump

thats life

how can u be one of the best rogues around here

and not have that flame

idk

[earnest remnant]

sorry blood type is 0 negative

no positivity allowed

[rotund oak]

hahahahah

[junior aurora]

bc he presses the buttons at the right times bruther

[shy pecan]

Don't let your highs be too high and your lows be too low. Or something like that

I dunno, not a doctor

[earnest remnant]

thats why we keep em all mid

[rotund oak]

not enough to my experience but might be wrong again

[earnest remnant]

cant get dissapointed if you have 0 expectations

[shy pecan]

Yup

[rotund oak]

thats not how life works

in for a slap^^

u got probably the highest potential ive seen on a rogue btw,jokes aside

[junior aurora]

is it potential if its realized

[rotund oak]

trying to inspire the man bro

[shy pecan]

The guy just presses buttons and chills

[marble hemlock]

Tbf I couldnt tell the difference between a 2y and 12y old raccoon

[shy pecan]

He’s 27, get it right

[earnest remnant]

[shy pecan]

For assassination spec related retail stuff, yes.

Are you using CDs on CD?

Do you have a log of your performance?

Kinda need more info other than I’m just doing low damage.

[royal lantern]

@spice spire the logs call

[rotund oak]

26

[slim hamlet]

Thought that was the yapsters job

[shy pecan]

This is part of your problem. You need to work on your rotation:

[gleaming geyser]

Not casting garrote on opener and not a single evenom for the first 25 seconds

[shy pecan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JFdR6Q7ZGTWyKmk8#fight=2&type=casts&source=3&view=timeline

Need to re-read the rotation guide and/or look at Whispyr's videos about it...

[junior aurora]

thats shroud of concealment right

[gleaming geyser]

new tech

[shy pecan]

Yeah, that's shroud in the mix

[runic hinge]

sick new dance tech

[junior aurora]

move the keybind

take it off ur keybinds even

you can just click it if you need it

[shy pecan]

Just click it.

[junior aurora]

also you only need to press slice and dice once

at the start

[shy pecan]

And you never want to press it during your CDs

This another example of not really understanding the rotation:

Probably dummy is your best bet. Spend like 30-60 minutes trying to get the rotation down pat.

[gleaming geyser]

and beyond the rotation, you need to understand why you`re actually pressing those keys

[shy pecan]

You hit DM and no SD/KB

Which came like 20 seconds after:

[junior aurora]

you can macro SD/KB together if that helps you

[shy pecan]

Shivs are kinda all over the place

[gleaming geyser]

you also didnt cast rupture between 0:37 and 1:30

not once

[shy pecan]

It all points to not really understanding/comprehending the rotation, so I'd suggest just reading the guides/FAQs

[thorn fjord]

Usually only going to be shiving within CD windows anyway

Keep that in mind

[shy pecan]

The wowhead guide has a very detailed sequence of how to play out ST and AoE fights

[thorn fjord]

Man I haven’t played sin since early Jan

It’s almost May 😅

[runic hinge]

I haven't played sin since 5 minutes ago

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/may-its-gonna-be-gif-21401434

[shy pecan]

Damn, that’s like a couple of days

I hate autocorrect

[thorn fjord]

A couple of MAYS

[junior aurora]

i relapsed back to mage so

haven't played sin since jan too probably lol

[thorn fjord]

Gear up my mage alt plz

[runic hinge]

I'm playing spriest this season as a main but I'm still gonna play sin on the side

[junior aurora]

its all dinar loot

[shy pecan]

Devoker time

[junior aurora]

just run azure vaults 100 times to get the crests you need and hope you get the trinket

[shy pecan]

Or just run it once and get the Tome on the spot (unless you’re talking about the Umbraskul one)

[thorn fjord]

I got my bis MH on my first nelth run

That was cool

[runic hinge]

I want a tome

I've only done 2 AV so far tho

[shy pecan]

Btw I thought I was like screwing you up by moving outta all your FOs and blizzards. Then realized you did 50% more dps than either of the others 😛

[thorn fjord]

Damn yall are running keys together?

I feel left out

[shy pecan]

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shy pecan]

I just tanked one key, that’s all

[junior aurora]

my current tank doesn't bother to accomodate me so ive gotten good at dealing with it

so you dont have to play around me i can adjust

[shy pecan]

Just add me on b.net and I’ll be a VDH bot again

I was gonna get yelled at by the destro lock so… lol

[thorn fjord]

DM me your bnet

[shy pecan]

Kk

[thorn fjord]

@runic hinge you too bologna

[junior aurora]

when we doing a key

3 dps and a tank we just need a healer

[thorn fjord]

can just bug @storm belfry

😛

[spice spire]

Oh no

[shy pecan]

Don’t worry, I gotchu

[junior aurora]

tbf not really much to go over for that log

its literally just a "go read the guide" angle

[spice spire]

Bless up.
You get a no flake pass now

[thorn fjord]

At this point which spec do you guys think is more niche... Sin or SV

[shy pecan]

Stahp

[junior aurora]

its like comparing high school basketball players

im not watching it either way

[thorn fjord]

lolol

[shy pecan]

I could also technically heal on my druid or evoker… and make someone else tank

[pallid rampart]

I’m just starting to do pve on my sin I’m very familiar with rotations builds ect for single target I got my two set Tuesday wondering if I should go for 4 set for raid and m+

[junior aurora]

should go for 4 set yes

[pallid rampart]

You use it even for pure st?

[shy pecan]

Yes

[junior aurora]

4 set is strictly superior to anything else you could wear?

[pallid rampart]

OK cool thanks

[vestal wren]

yes

all rogue tier set bonuses are worth more than competing items

[primal jolt]

i have an issue with my macro

i macrod kingsbane and shadowdance

aswell as use 13 and bloodfury

it works fine

but sometimes it doesnt use both kingsbane and shadowdance

it just uses one of them

[thorn fjord]

Which one do you have first in the line

[primal jolt]

and none of the things is on a gcd

the 2 spells

cds

[thorn fjord]

And i think if you have a pot use in there it might fuck it up too

[manic quartz]

kingsbane is

[primal jolt]

here

[old halo]

happens to me also, usually im too far from target so no kingsbane

[thorn fjord]

I think KB has to go second

But it might not matter

[gilded oasis]

KB needs to go after Shadow dance

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

Thats what i thought

[gilded oasis]

and if you are on gcd or have no energy or out of range KB wont pop but SD and everything else still will

[manic quartz]

its because sometimes you might press the macro before your previous GCD is finished so, it will use everything except kingsbane

[thorn fjord]

let me check my macro

[old halo]

i also put use 13 with deathmark, cuz most trinkets are 2 min

[balmy condor]

Gotta put dance first

[primal jolt]

kk tysm

[thorn fjord]

yeah

mine is simple

/cast Shadow Dance
/Cast Kingsbane
/use Ashes of the Embersoul

[old halo]

dont forget the celebration fiework

[thorn fjord]

Thats macro'd to Rupture

[old halo]

XD

[thorn fjord]

and DM has a /moo in there

Cause im a cow

[old halo]

lol

[thorn fjord]

im dead serious too lol

I have fireworks and the weather toy macro'd to Rupture

lol

Wait no weather to DM also

And its on rupture too lol

[old halo]

you are a true pro gamer

[arctic socket]

Mooooo

[thorn fjord]

Guildies will randomly say in disc “why the fuck is Dieslow mooing during pull”

[gilded oasis]

I could never, there would be 5 moo's being spammed

[hexed willow]

You should toss in a [group:raid] for the pot

[old halo]

wuts that do?

[gilded oasis]

Im gonna get only use it if in raid?

[hexed willow]

Yup

[old halo]

must use pot every 5 minutes on cooldown for all content, im addicted

[hexed willow]

It makes it so that if you only use pots during the raid

[old halo]

also must use saltwater every 5 minutes in bgs XD

[junior aurora]

just buy 200 pots

[gilded oasis]

i just have a different macro on my M+ bars ez

[old halo]

im alchemist, i have at least 1000 on hand at all times XD

[junior aurora]

yea then who cares if you use them outside of raid

[old halo]

yup, i stock up when mats are cheap and get hella multi procs, 96 is my highest

3 star guarenteed

[subtle cipher]

didnt found on guides

what food we use?

[runic hinge]

Feast

[old halo]

main stat

[runic hinge]

Or fortune cookie

[old halo]

or mastery

[subtle cipher]

fated fortune > ?

[white pumice]

Guys, the wowhead guides says 2x garrote on opener 4-6 targets. Do i garrote another mob or the same target?

[gusty mirage]

don't use fated fortune cookies

you can't use them in keys

https://www.wowhead.com/item=204072/deviously-deviled-eggs use these instead

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/can-i-offer-you-a-nice-egg-egg-offer-gif-16874341

[gusty mirage]

ideally, you target another mob that isn't garroted because the smart targetting will get all 6, or just be lazy and garrote the same one

cause realistically, that 1 extra garrote on 6 targets is whatever

[keen spruce]

i keep that thang on me

and by thang i mean 400 eggs

[gusty mirage]

4 or 5 target just double garrote the same mob

[urban lily]

only do raids

[urban lily]

if you only do raids fated is better, otherwise deviously

[gusty mirage]

they give the same amount of primary stat

and the fated fortune cookies are more expensive

[junior aurora]

yeah but you get a roi from the cookies

does it make up the difference? Iunno i aint doin that math

[gusty mirage]

just tell me you like gambling without telling me you like gambling

mr. poe player

[junior aurora]

in my defense i

dont have one

[keen spruce]

egg

[normal mist]

It seems we can actually already break s3 tier

[gusty mirage]

the cursed egg

[royal lantern]

the blessed egg

[junior aurora]

is egg just a wyrmrest accord thing, raid general chat spams egg all day long

[normal mist]

and mix it with s4

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

i think so

[gusty mirage]

that's def news to me

[keen spruce]

i haven't seen it since i left that server

[normal mist]

just tried it

[keen spruce]

many years ago

[normal mist]

imma show

[junior aurora]

well it still happens lol

[gusty mirage]

neat

[normal mist]

give me a sec

[keen spruce]

[gilded oasis]

[junior aurora]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

@vestal wren @balmy condor

[junior aurora]

blizz said just grey it out placebo style

[gusty mirage]

CLOWN FIESTA SEASON CONTINUES

[junior aurora]

they wont notice

[gilded oasis]

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

I was testing using these pants with tier

[gusty mirage]

dude this season just gets better and better

[gilded oasis]

I hope this gets fixed in 5 mins but we remain bugged still

[normal mist]

then tested 3+1

[gusty mirage]

if you can equip 5 dif pieces

embrace the latest bug

and geting shadow rupture as assa

[junior aurora]

unfortunate reveal on monday when most people will have 4p tomorrow morning lol

[normal mist]

Thats true 😐

[balmy condor]

You can do 3+1 for that

Don’t need 5

[gusty mirage]

oh

even better

[gilded oasis]

wait didnt we vote the other tier in

[junior aurora]

No, s3 all specs

[gilded oasis]

isnt that s2 text tho

[junior aurora]

Season 2 appearance

[balmy condor]

Can you log it

And send to me

[junior aurora]

why does this have the wrong set bonus

[vestal wren]

whats the tldr?

[junior aurora]

did you somehow catalyst an item to s2 tier but at s4 ilvls lmao

[balmy condor]

3+1 gives 4 piece

[gilded oasis]

ok so im not crazy?

[normal mist]

forget about those pants, it was a test to see if i could catalyst a TIMERIFT item and fully upgrade it THEN catalyst it

[junior aurora]

Ah

[normal mist]

but no it doesnt work

[vestal wren]

oh ye, haha

[normal mist]

Helping gf with dinner, afterwards i can. Or if anyone have 3+1 help Whispyr out!

[gilded oasis]

I have +0

[thorn fjord]

Between the eggs baby

[hexed willow]

3p old and 1p new?

Cause I can test that situation out

[balmy condor]

Ye

I mean we already tested

Royal showed it worked

[hexed willow]

O

[balmy condor]

I need a log

[hexed willow]

I saw the 4 and 1 not the 3 and 1

[balmy condor]

Well 4 and 1 giving 4 piece wouldn’t be much of a revelation

Cause uh

4 is 4

[thorn fjord]

That would just be working as intended lol

[spice spire]

Hard hitting analysis

Love it

[hexed willow]

No but 4 and 1 was giving sub and assassin bonus

[proven jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-5455397

[spice spire]

#1231592737221120152

[balmy condor]

That’s already reported idc bout that bug

[thorn fjord]

Oh that was a legit reaction to what we were talking about lol

[spice spire]

I’m a hater

[thorn fjord]

Awakened season

As in wake your ass up and figure out what we broke

Have fun

[thorn fjord]

Do sims account for the sub/sin bug as well?

[balmy condor]

Idk which one we’re talking about but sims don’t account for any of the bugs, so no

[thorn fjord]

Makes sense

[hexed willow]

I don’t think it would sim an abusable (minorly) bug

[vagrant hearth]

hii so you takes ashes as first item with bullions i mainly play m+

or boon?

[old halo]

nice little added bonus for doing pvp

oops i ment for guild discord lol

[hexed willow]

I personally am going take grieftorch because my guild likes to have individuals die and it’s spec agnostic; I’m hoping to get an ashes week 3

[bright turret]

kind of hard to go wrong with guzzler in general

its gonna be a huge gain over whatever you're using anyways

[royal lantern]

meanwhile my m+ runs

all the fucking time

jesus christ

[old halo]

i mean if you play with boxes....

[royal lantern]

tbf

the box name tank druid there

[old halo]

dats on you

[royal lantern]

was a case of "lets do 134% adds"

[clever sapphire]

how is pala not top dps

[royal lantern]

every single ret pala im grouping with is like that

like wtf

[clever sapphire]

i feel like it takes skill to not top dps as ret

[subtle cipher]

deathmark doesnt get empowered by nightstalker?

[thorn fjord]

we got those

Our spriest was floor pov

[clever sapphire]

what kind of cursed keys are you guys even doing

[royal lantern]

RLP +9

[thorn fjord]

that was an 8 nelth lol

[royal lantern]

[clever sapphire]

ye im not touching rlp

unless thats my only way to get mount

[spice surge]

Idk rlp is fine

Good even, i like that dungeon

[royal python]

Isn't that an outlaw log

[junior aurora]

he's the neltharus weapons

[royal python]

Report ban for fake news

[balmy condor]

It does, we just don’t do it

[normal mist]

@balmy condor DM'ed you

If anyone wants to check aswell: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qADXWYpfLZVTgCkG#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=11

[neon oxide]

It's a very minor min/max point but what is the best nightstalker, im assuming it's a deathmark'd kingsbane?

[normal mist]

You always vanish on the last 3 seconds of KB

[spice surge]

Not sure what you mean by best nightstalker

[neon oxide]

Royal answered my point, they got what I meant

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-ok-great-good-thumbs-up-gif-16351183

[old halo]

https://discord.com/channels/@me/1178867846260998164/1178867907653013574

crap

https://wago.io/8WWlvpYa9

this helps for the kingsbane vainsh timing if needed

[leaden thicket]

[subtle cipher]

just did hc brood, trinket went to the guy that died in the first 10 seconds

this game fucking sux lol

[limpid quest]

hi question: awaking mark of mastery whats best piece head or chest or does it matter? first piece

[balmy condor]

tier pieces are always the same stat

[limpid quest]

Thanks Whispyr!

[normal mist]

@balmy condor managed to give it a look? Never really did logs so idk if it was what you needed

[urban lily]

yeah the loot system beying full rng is uber garbage

[balmy condor]

it wasn't really but it's good enough

[normal mist]

My bad man, I didn't even had it installed, usually my RL uploads the logs

[balmy condor]

it's all good

it works

[normal mist]

[hallow token]

how tf is any assassination rogue getting 250k+ in anything. I must be terrible. This is so depressing.

[runic hinge]

Practice

[slim hamlet]

Depends on what

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/spirit-fingers-sparky-polastri-bring-it-on-gif-12542280936596301674

[slim hamlet]

outed as a mage player

[royal lantern]

idk, im pressing buttons

[proper tapir]

In M+ a lot of it comes from abusing massive AOE situations for juicy envenoms (CS/EE/PB)

[pure bridge]

Any Uldaman past a 10 is a prime spot to finish over 350k.

[royal lantern]

almost as if dmg overall is a stat that tells you fuck all

🤔

[proper tapir]

^^^ false false false, after a key if I do well overall I notice that I lose like 20 lbs and get about 6 inches taller. At first I thought maybe it was all in my head but my wife confirmed it... she said, "oh yeah, totally, yup that's a real thing"

[junior aurora]

i get about 6 inches wider too crazy

[thorn fjord]

Had me in the first half ngl

[random quarry]

i got shard of azzinoth at hero. How are we feeling about this?

[silk bane]

not good

[runic hinge]

Free upgrades to hero for one dagger ig

[neat plank]

I never feel, I sim 🙂

[gilded oasis]

pog sin rogue on bottom

[flint tusk]

Goes to show how we got tuned based on encounter design during amirdrassil

[gilded oasis]

also bugged but idk how much that contributes

[flint tusk]

Yeh was just about to say that 😅

Think whispyr said it was 4% st 11% aoe

Probably going to be impossible to see any tuning with the raids rotating

No fixed reference point but it’s fine given the season.

[midnight spire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1233411543421681724/rl7mgpak53rc1.webp

[quiet oar]

Sin rogue might be bottom, but atleast its Not a sub

[rotund oak]

[unique plume]

Sinners, what do we craft with sparks this season? Any shake ups?

[hollow wren]

ill make 2x blue silken linning on wrist/waist

[raven egret]

Wonder how the balance will look like when ilvls stabilize, right now warlocks seem fckin insane to me in m+

[primal jolt]

whats the best passive trinket paired with ashes?

[royal python]

Has caustic been fixed

[marble hemlock]

Both of your questions can be answered with the same response: Check the pins. 🙂

Signet or Grieftorch as 2nd trinket

It's mostly fixed but there's still some wacky stuff with Caustic in raids.

[primal jolt]

so ig id go signet with ashes

ty

it was a bit confusing

I DID READ THE PINS!

i just needed reassurance

[clever sapphire]

are you planning on raiding

or m+ tho

[primal jolt]

aye

raid

[clever sapphire]

signet is mostly for fights that go for 5+ minutes

unless it changed this season

[marble hemlock]

No worries, every soul sent to the pins is a saved soul.

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty mirage]

Don’t get signet

[primal jolt]

tell me

enlighten me

i don't wanna use two active trinkets

[quiet oar]

Caustic seems fixed ?

@balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

Link me log

[quiet oar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qxPHhFRLmM8D7NZ6#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=211&ability=421979&view=events this one is another

send you the other one sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CapPX8JD4mx1LWjr#fight=41&type=damage-done&view=events&ability=421979

Both from today

[balmy condor]

Yeah looks good

[haughty flicker]

yay

[primal jolt]

[clever sapphire]

now i shall be constantly above the tank on council

yay

[primal jolt]

yeah im pretty excited to out dps the tanks tonight

maybe even the holy paladin

[slim hamlet]

Will we be over aug evokers in logs now?

[spice surge]

If assa aint beatiing people on sark

Then its completely doomed

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

u playing sin on council or its not u

[royal python]

Has it fixed for both NA n EU

[zenith hatch]

relax i just got our representation in top 100 rogues, assa still we raise

[quiet oar]

its not me

i just checked it

out of curiousity

[potent lintel]

Is it possible to upgrade season 3 items.

[copper vortex]

you cannot

you can transform season 3 item to season 3 tier though

[potent lintel]

How about maxing out season 3 items to season 3 max?

[copper vortex]

thats not possible not only cause its unavaliable but they also removed all our crests from season 3

[potent lintel]

ah i see

[fringe mirage]

lol look at assa in ranking what happened to us...

[arctic socket]

Are we at the bottom?

[fringe mirage]

yes

[subtle tundra]

bugged and undertuned

🙂

[fringe mirage]

even i single we are worthles than outlaw WTF

[potent lintel]

What caused us to be at hte bottom we were B tier last season

[arctic socket]

Bugged?

How is it bugged

[subtle tundra]

it was bugged for the whole week until today

it did less damage 🙂

[arctic socket]

huh

[copper vortex]

is there patch notes for that?

[subtle tundra]

how is this news to y'all

[visual hemlock]

Let's see if things change with week 2, if we are below augmentation, I won't be accepted into normal raid...

[copper vortex]

i rerolled to rogue last week

lol

[arctic socket]

I haven’t played

[subtle tundra]

it was a blue post acknowledging the bugs

[arctic socket]

sin will raise up

[subtle tundra]

sure...

we will get PI to be middle of the pack

[arctic socket]

Where is sub / outlaw ranking

[subtle tundra]

pog tier

[arctic socket]

Oh just Reroll then

[inland shoal]

yeh bros we back

eranog EZ

[subtle tundra]

youre in some weird ass group cause the adds should die in max 2 seconds

[arctic socket]

Just play in bad groups to shine

How does sub do aoe now

[clever sapphire]

just perfectly time your kb so the last 3 seconds line up with the adds

🤯

[subtle tundra]

im amazed if i get a tick of spatter kb

the adds have like 2 mil hp

they die in a global

[inland shoal]

its mythic twink raid

so yeah everyone have kinda bad dmg

[potent lintel]

Ideal situation would be to get one of the BIS trinkets in vault and then bullion for dagger

[royal lantern]

if B stand for Bottom, yeha

cus assa was down bad there allready

assa with externals doing less dmg then sub without

[rigid tartan]

Where do you think assa stands compared to rest on council mythic post bugfix?

[subtle tundra]

still downbad

[gusty mirage]

Essentially based on how quick heroic kills were, assa + PI looked pretty good. Plus caustic helped pad some of the sadness on the last 2

[spice surge]

Gnarlroot and tindral are pretty much perfect bosses for assa too, so that made assa look better than it would in other raids

[subtle tundra]

Spatter hard carried us

We couldn't be carried by boss design before so we had to be decent

(before when our spec wasn't all burst and didn't have any innate aoe)

Give me back sl assa 😭

With deathspike 🤤

[clever sapphire]

[royal lantern]

deathspike

another thing ruined by outlaw

https://tenor.com/view/rain-sad-man-man-in-rain-gif-23062134

[subtle tundra]

True

Anything combo point and vanish related is ruined by outlaw design

[hexed willow]

Who’s excited for a vault??

[fleet coral]

me me only killed 2 boss at myth xD

[hexed willow]

Same praying ring comes from the vault

[haughty flicker]

im excited to get absolutely nothing of value

then afk for two weeks until pandaland remix

[inland shoal]

with spattter nelth and sarkareth also could be good for assa

[clever sapphire]

im not even sure that the hopes are good "ye the bosses could be good for us because we can pad"

[jaunty hill]

It hurts so bad Sin is ass again.

😩

[royal lantern]

again?

[gusty mirage]

Ye anything with innate cleave is going to be solid for assa because caustic will help you feel less sad

Although the sark adds used to get deleted pretty quick

[torn atlas]

Double ass even

Maybe call us ass ass sin?

[jaunty hill]

I like ass ass sin 😂

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/almost-like-we-never-left-ryan-ian-bohen-stories-from-the-bunkhouse-yellowstone-gif-17625631

[clever sapphire]

8 brh, outlaws bis neck drops, i never had a neck so i couldnt trade him soooo sadge

anyways time to reroll outlaw right?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-11928667053720670991

[royal lantern]

remember

playing outlaw means no "sbs is actually a good ability trust me guys!" from you

[clever sapphire]

not even im using it

jokes on you

and even i always say its not good and dont play it

[royal lantern]

ik

[clever sapphire]

wait i was in a key with an outlaw and 2 monks, im pretty sure all 3 of them wanted the neck

[royal lantern]

skill issue tbh

[clever sapphire]

tru

[royal lantern]

nap time

when i wake up we have a hero tree, trust me

[spice spire]

Cope

[thorn fjord]

Disfunction

[clever sapphire]

wait where did the guy with the dathea log go

also shadow rupture still proccing

[hallow token]

Assassination is dead last on overall in Vault of the Incarnates, and near the bottom on boss damage. I do not think fixing Splatter and Sanguine will change that much, but I'd be happy to be wrong about that. https://www.wowhead.com/news/vault-of-the-incarnates-weekly-dps-rankings-first-week-of-dragonflight-season-4-339079?webhook#screenshots:339079:3

[clever sapphire]

that includes council tho

[thorn fjord]

Damn look at MM

Back from the dead

[clever sapphire]

so it makes things a lot worse

[gusty mirage]

I mean the first 2 days assassination did 30-40% less damage

Sooooo

[thorn fjord]

As it should

[gusty mirage]

Not saying it’s going to be top 5 for abberus but it won’t be dead last

[thorn fjord]

[clever sapphire]

sark gonna make us number 1

[gusty mirage]

Yes those adds that’ll die in 10s will make assa number 1

SURELY

[thorn fjord]

I dont even remember the sark fight

[gusty mirage]

Think of those two ticks of caustic

[clever sapphire]

wdym, insane haste gain

sark gonna give us pi

if the priests dont want to

[gusty mirage]

The priests don’t even want PI

[clever sapphire]

ye i dunno, i tried boys

[gusty mirage]

Cringe fucking externals

Shit game

[clever sapphire]

oxi got the maths against me

[hallow token]

Having ventured into other melee DPS specs, what I want for assassination is to feel like I am getting a fair return for all the work required.

[clever sapphire]

no amount of cope can save it

[gusty mirage]

That would require blizzard to 1) not over correct strong specs based on two fucking weeks of heroic raid data, and 2) not balance around externals like they said they wouldn’t do

[violet flint]

any comments about this?
i feel like having a passive (like icon) 2nd trinket would be better than grieftorch

[gusty mirage]

Weird how a strong spec is top the first two weeks of heroic while all the CE guilds are farming heroic still for gear

[gusty mirage]

Icon probably the best passive trinket for assa if you cba balancing two on uses

Which tbh I don’t blame you, two on use is cringe as fuck

[violet flint]

yeah, thats what i was thinking since i really hate 2 on use

[gusty mirage]

They should’ve just not nerfed icon a 2nd time

Like it’s a meme season who gives a fuck

[thorn fjord]

Foxy Oxi

[gusty mirage]

Recycling old content and pretending it’s a new season is a joke

They implemented nothing but bugs lmfao

[thorn fjord]

Its cheap

But here we are

[gusty mirage]

Their aggressive trinket balance is a hilarious waste of time for a season that’s irrelevant

Just let people be OP who cares

[thorn fjord]

Like DF pre-patch

those were a fun few weeks

[violet flint]

but thanks for the input oxi, as i thought i would be able to replace grieftorch

[gusty mirage]

🤡 game

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

launches POE

[gusty mirage]

That’s just a clown company

“Small indie” company owned by trillion dollar conglomerate tencent

[vestal wren]

subtlety lost the most with 16 ranks

[spice spire]

Good

[gusty mirage]

Give it 3 more weeks when the wizards finish gearing

Then all 3 rogue specs are going to be mediocre af

[vestal wren]

suffering is a good passive option
https://www.wowhead.com/item=204211/neltharions-call-to-suffering?ilvl=535&spec=259

[gusty mirage]

Suffering rng tho

[thorn fjord]

You're a wizard harry @gusty mirage

[vestal wren]

but torch is pmuch passive

[gusty mirage]

That agi proc outside of CDs is a tragic waste

[violet flint]

also, can anyone give me a reason as to why we use wafting devotion rather than sophic devo for our weps? isnt haste more or less our worst stat?

[hallow token]

if ashes removes ### haste, getting haste back somehow probably doesn't hurt? I"M GUESSING.

[vestal wren]

if you want a less rng, essence/icon/pip

[gusty mirage]

There’s a weird thing with higher ilvl and secondaries becoming more valuable iirc

[violet flint]

currently using pip/ashes from last season

[gusty mirage]

Fuu and whispyr would be better at answering why

They’re the smart ones

I’m just a glorified internet janitor

[thorn fjord]

Lies

[vestal wren]

its just that

stats at some point become more impactful than primary stat gain

typically in the later patches, blizz already reduced it a bit by playing with stat growth curves

s4 is when you can switch to stat food from main stat

[violet flint]

ok

[thorn fjord]

Stepped in a puddle before walking in to the office today and my socks are fucking wet and i've only been here an hour

Think im going to cry

[violet flint]

makes sense, so basically the diminish returns from main stat just doesnt make it worth in comparison to the haste as we basically have 0 on our other gear pieces?

[vestal wren]

also towards stats

and i hope this does not backfire

but with how much stats we have in s4, the drs become more relevant

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal wren]

it is why you see profiles which ended up slightly more one sides like on sub outlaw

now invets a bit more in crit/haste/mastery

assassiantion avoids this in general because stats are spread quite evenly between all 4

[proper tapir]

Didn't they remove the vers multiplier on Trinkets in like 10.2? Does anyone know if Grieftorch still has it? The wowhead tooltip is showing a vers multiplier.

[violet flint]

alright, thanks for the insight fuu

[vestal wren]

like this is the amount of stats relative to the highest one on sin

vs. subtlety

[vestal wren]

they removed damage amps working on trinkets

in 10.1

mostly something relevant for sub/outlaw

[violet flint]

my stats rn are like mainly mastery at like 75% and then about 32% crit and 20% vers and like 14% haste

[vestal wren]

even then some things still work on trinkets

e.g. find weakness from subtlety still gives benefits to physical damage trinkets

[vestal wren]

you in general don't think too much about stats

topgear is all you need

[violet flint]

yeah, looking at that secondary stats sheet, it looks like ilvl and any stats are basically more important than optimising for mastery/crit

[somber sparrow]

sorry that was me, I deleted it because I read the pin that was updated to say caustic was fixed lol, so figured it wasn't needed anymore.

[clever sapphire]

ye but still funny that the tset is not fixe

d

cause you still had shadow rupture procs

[somber sparrow]

yeah, i did change to sub and back to assassination to see if that was working. 2% of my damage, i think it was more than timestrike

[vestal wren]

hey, don't you dare to use shadow rupture on assassiantion

we are not in tww yet

[clever sapphire]

you mean this that he used?

[vestal wren]

2.03%

damn, you got unlucky procs

[clever sapphire]

wait so with new tset you have sub and assa set

crazy

where shadow envenom

[vestal wren]

only if you equip 4p + 1p (old and new)

and then switch between specs

its a known bug, supposed to be fixed soon

[somber sparrow]

if you have 4 piece S3 and 1 piece S4, spec to sub and back to assassination and then it activates it somehow

[clever sapphire]

well im still 0 set so not like i could do it

so top logs gonna be with shadow rupture

now not only do i have to get lucky kingsbane crit but also shadow rupture procs on assa

[junior aurora]

assa using 3 tier set bonuses and still bottom

[somber sparrow]

this is the log btw https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DvaMGQwHqJRVj3tm#fight=146&type=damage-done&source=1801 sorry i deleted it

[vestal wren]

you can do the same on sub too

but the 2p from assassination isn't that big for sub

[junior aurora]

wdym you can boost deadly poison

and ig if you run dark brew it does literally nothing for sub? Lol

[restive falcon]

When we eventually run ashes/grieftorch, we still use ashes first then wait the 20sec for torch to be back up?

I wanna assume it would be same for sub as well

[inland shoal]

yea that correct

[arctic socket]

Got my greiftorch

[clever sapphire]

yap, always use the stat giving trinket with your cooldowns

[thorn fjord]

Nice

Heroic?

[arctic socket]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

Pog

[arctic socket]

Time to log off for the rest of the season

[thorn fjord]

I got a normal boon but I’ve been too lazy to use it

[arctic socket]

Boon is crazy in aoe

[thorn fjord]

Also 3m cd feels bad

Yeah I know

I’ll start using it eventually

[arctic socket]

Got a herioc boon on my paladin

And lord is it spicy

Probably feels weird using it on rogue at least on my paladin I can bubble

[thorn fjord]

Wish hook worked during boon too

[arctic socket]

[thorn fjord]

Can cloak

[arctic socket]

True

spec chest death

[thorn fjord]

Cheat death on CD or you’re doing it wrong

[clever sapphire]

wdym hook, i have 2 shadow steps and cloak

no way i die

[gilded oasis]

and evasion

[thorn fjord]

its 12est why are the servers still down

https://tenor.com/view/judge-judy-times-up-what-time-is-it-gif-5714654

[trail tree]

eu problems, i afk wait until tomorrow 5am to hop on

[grim briar]

have we heard anything about tuning plans this season? being last feelsbadman

[junior aurora]

pray for better days

[sacred arch]

[thorn fjord]

That’s it I want my money back

[lusty kraken]

assa nerfed, sub meta

[thorn fjord]

You spelled OL wrong

[hexed willow]

Sin meta soon

Just give it 1mo to 12y

[junior aurora]

and you better enjoy the 2 weeks its meta before it gets nerfed again

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[chilly marsh]

when you use Ashes of the Embersoul? at the end of KB?

[gilded oasis]

surfs up 🏄‍♂️

[thorn fjord]

HERE WE GOOOOOO

Fuck off my vault was hot fucking milk

3 slots taken up by crafted shit already... a garbage ass ring that nobody wants and more garbage

So triggered

[gilded oasis]

with DM or slightly after but I think just macrod to DM is fine

[thorn fjord]

fuck this game

i quit

[gilded oasis]

can I have your gold?

[subtle tundra]

Oh it's reset already and no tuning

[gleaming geyser]

👀

[subtle tundra]

Bet if assa was topping wed have gotten nerfed

[royal lantern]

lmao

you assume it needss to be top

when they did it when it was Mediocre

[neon oxide]

that is one of the worst vaults ive ever seen, gz

[neon oxide]

I do more dps as assass than sub and outlaw in raid -shrug-, just tried outlaw again and I suck ass at it somehow

[safe wigeon]

why assassin has no pi meter in bloodmallet

[subtle tundra]

Being bad at a spec has nothing to do with balance

[gusty oak]

i got diurna chosen but its hero.. should i pick that or just grab the awaken version?

[gray hazel]

Awful

[clever sapphire]

i would take the weapon (i still only have a 502 champion weapon )

[royal lantern]

?

free max lvl tier boots

how is that awfull lol

[clever sapphire]

i hope i get ashes in vault tomorrow

so i dont have to use token for it

[royal lantern]

or just the dagger and be happy with a max ilvl weapon and not needing one anymore

[spice spire]

Puzzlebox

It’s bad

But imagine

[gusty mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[royal lantern]

i dont need to imagine

i played S1

[clever sapphire]

S1 was caster rogue in raid

grieftorch resets for days

puzzlebox

[royal lantern]

with flare+puzzlebox, the "2sec channel gameplay"

[potent lintel]

Just to be clear. Are the tiers set powers from season 3 active?

[royal lantern]

if you dont use a "new" tier item, yes

[gray hazel]

S1 me would have been pleased lol

Honestly thinking of taking pvp cloak lmao

Or socket

[thorn fjord]

Thinking of quitting the game

[bright turret]

wasnt expectin vault to access all 3 raids, heroic ashes don't mind if I do

[royal lantern]

you mean like

this horrible season

or fully

[potent lintel]

So a full tier set from season 3 doesnt work?

[scenic otter]

I think he’s saying… So if I equip a S4 2-set with an S3 2-set, I only get the bonuses of a 2-set. Is that correct?

[royal lantern]

it does

[subtle cipher]

help me decide lol i already have a 506 legs that i could use a catalyst, i have the hand part of the set, but my chest is 480..i could get this and catalyst it :3

[royal lantern]

get the legs

cus you dont know when you will get legs like that again

chest can be bruteforced farmed or crafted

[subtle cipher]

well, i have a 512 legs already

i could just catalyst it too

[thorn fjord]

Life tbh

Nah im not quitting but holy fuck was my w1 vault dog shit

[royal lantern]

oh

[thorn fjord]

it aint fair

[royal lantern]

i mean then take the chest lol

[subtle cipher]

506* tbh

[royal lantern]

its just, i always go for the max level that is not easy obtainable

[subtle cipher]

but hero too

[royal lantern]

cus everything under mythic level CAN be grinded if you want it

mythic lvl is either vault rng from shit+, or raid drops which are 1x a week and contested

[subtle cipher]

indeed, my legs is 506, the thing is, if i get the legs i can farm a chest/helm and catalyst both and finish 4p this week easily

otherwise i will need way more rng

[royal lantern]

i mean

wait with vault then

do the raid first

see if you drop something

then grab it

[subtle cipher]

gg

[scenic otter]

Sorry, I just want someone to correct me on this. Don’t want this dangling out there if I’m wrong…

… if I equip a S4 2-set with an S3 2-set, I only get the bonuses of a 2-set. Is that correct?

[royal lantern]

both turn off

only equip S4 tier stuff when you have 4 pieces

[scenic otter]

Oh F, ok thank you.

[patent vessel]

sim says to take cloak but

i want tier :(

[hexed willow]

If you don’t currently have 3p it won’t recommend tier

[junior aurora]

yeah tier is the best choice if you are gonna get 2k io / heroic end boss down this week im pretty sure

bc then you can guarantee 4p

[subtle cipher]

yeah thats why im almost going to tier too lol, even if i end up dropping some pieces, having 2/4p is too good

[indigo ginkgo]

or just dont pick , go do content then came back to chose

[subtle cipher]

do hc raids without 2/4p is sad

[quasi stump]

I have a question, It seems like Nick of Time is the best weapon for my offhand, but how do I get it? is it just normal heroic galakronds fall?

[gilded oasis]

M0 or M0 hardmode dawn

from 2nd boss

[vale lantern]

anyone know if hardmode bosses are still bugged if u wipe on them?

did it last night and they gained effects of tyranical if you wiped on them

[gilded oasis]

Prob still bugged. I had heard it was just 1 boss doing that but maybe not

[vale lantern]

but not the buff i.e iridkron went from 1.18b health to 1.5b health when we wiped on him

[royal lantern]

i have 0 tier pieces

nothing dropped

[thorn fjord]

I had 4p last Tuesday yall doing something wrong

[gilded oasis]

I got 1 piece in vault

[thorn fjord]

You got two from finishing raid and had 1 catalyst so the rng was just getting one piece

[hexed willow]

You get 1 from finish raid on heroic

If you get a curio is up to the loot gods

[thorn fjord]

You get 2

[hexed willow]

?

[somber sparrow]

waiting for the sim and stuff but... that boon looks tasty.

[hexed willow]

3-4 Curios per raid, and then achievement?

[thorn fjord]

I did one catalyst got one tier piece from killing raz and got two other pieces from just completing

[gilded oasis]

assuming you get a curio, I didnt on heroic or normal

[hexed willow]

The curio isn’t guaranteed

[thorn fjord]

Weird

[hexed willow]

I didn’t get one 😦

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord are you referencing the curio people roll on

or what

[royal lantern]

i have the mark of mastery and thats it

[gilded oasis]

I won 0 pieces from raid. JK I got 1 belt

[royal lantern]

nothing else dropped

[hexed willow]

I got heroic helm, achievement, and catalyst

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

because you get 1 for KSM/AOTC

that's literally the only guarantee bud

[thorn fjord]

They were two pieces that looked like quest items i had in my bags after completing heroic

[gusty mirage]

yeah the other one is the appearance

lol

it adds special effects to your shoulders/helm

[thorn fjord]

Then how did I get 4p

[gusty mirage]

because you won a roll for a curio idk

[hexed willow]

Thats my guess

[gilded oasis]

or won a roll on an actual tier item

[thorn fjord]

Only tier i was given was the token from Raz

Nothing else

[hexed willow]

Trust me I’d be shouting from the streets if I got 4p haha

[thorn fjord]

Had to catalize another piece

and had 2

[gusty mirage]

clown fiesta season bro

idk what to tell you

maybe it bugged and gave you 2

https://www.wowhead.com/news/naszuro-and-fyralath-legendary-items-bugged-and-cannot-be-upgraded-339091

[gilded oasis]

same. and I didnt get a mythic chest to cata cause someone wanted it to upgrade their normal tier

[gusty mirage]

not like this season is bug free

[subtle tundra]

idk man logging in to see this on my details aint making it any better

[gusty mirage]

oh your first mistake is you're playing a rogue in m+

have you tried agility fury warrior

I hear its pretty good in m+

[subtle tundra]

it was m0 😦

[gilded oasis]

everything gonna die too fast in m0

[gusty mirage]

I wish I'd die too fast irl

I mean what

[subtle tundra]

nah it was cause the spec was still bugged

in doti

[hexed willow]

Oh yay I get to go back to hard mode doti and be disappointed again

[subtle tundra]

very cringe regardless

[hexed willow]

Gotta make sure I go back to sin loot specialization

[rain oyster]

Remember when assass was good for 2 weeks then blizz nuked us? 😃

[royal lantern]

BUGS? in THIS SEASON?

[subtle tundra]

this is how my vault looks

huge!

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

Well i know 1 rogue spec thjat is pretty decent

[royal lantern]

like your pp?

[subtle tundra]

yesyes

[quiet oar]

Whats next? Legendaries that cant be upgraded ???

[pure bridge]

My guild cleared regular Mythic Fyrakk last week for mount and apparently those bosses counted for Mythic raid vault this week. Waiting on Blizzard to hotfix it and yoink everyones loot.

[quiet oar]

Would never happen!

[quiet oar]

wdym

[gusty mirage]

which spec is that

[quiet oar]

All loot is in the loot pool

[quiet oar]

Your sons spec

Outlaw

[gusty mirage]

that's a warrior spec bud

[quiet oar]

[gusty mirage]

regular mythic amirdrassil counted as fated mythic in people's vaults

[pure bridge]

We didnt do Awakened Mythic, but our GV vaults are all Mythic Raid level.

[quiet oar]

ohhh

wait

So you did heroic awakened

[pure bridge]

Its pretty free if they dont hot fix it, since you only need 6.

[quiet oar]

and did Mythic Amidrassil

and heroic awakened got overwritten

[pure bridge]

We thought it was a Front End bug, and it was supposed to be Heroic.

But nope Mythic Awakened.

[quiet oar]

LOL

Well

[gusty mirage]

yeah

uh

🤡

season

[subtle tundra]

goes to show how many ressources they put into this patch

[pure bridge]

Guildies vault

[quiet oar]

I shouldve 3 mythic chests

[gusty mirage]

think about how many bugs they put in

that was at least 3 resources

[quiet oar]

It doesnt show for me

[subtle tundra]

i have bugs beneath my skin

mmmmmmmmmm

pull my skin off

take it off

take it off

aaaaaa

[gusty mirage]

tbh my guild's known about it since tuesday and no one cared enough to put together a mythic run lmao

[quiet oar]

Your skin should respect your personal space

[gusty mirage]

cause we're not raiding this tier

[royal lantern]

also fix the weird red wires, they are not in order

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/personal-space-rickand-morty-gif-11240922

[subtle tundra]

the wires arent connected properly

cut them

cut them

cut them

[pure bridge]

We've just been doing Mount runs, which is the only reason we had Mythic vaults.

[gusty mirage]

ye we cancelled our mount run

cause 2 people quit the guild lmao

and we're just doing it tonight ig

[gilded oasis]

yo ill app

[pure bridge]

Even without the 20-30 ilvl boost, the 10% nerf to Mythic made the bosses super easy to kill. This week the bosses will die like 1-2 minutes faster.

[rotund oak]

lmao

[rotund oak]

man has the suncaller 1st item

give me his number i wanna ask him something

[pure bridge]

Its on GCD now so casters apparently hate it ??

[rotund oak]

is it?

hold on gonna ask

[pure bridge]

Still blasts, just feels real bad.