You're telling me I don't do what moroes says?
#assassination
runic hinge
marble hemlock
ye
assa kinda too far behind imo
and i havent touched either of the other specs in forever so i kinda wanna get ready for TWW
shy pecan
Shadow priest kinda pumps
marble hemlock
to not sandbag
junior aurora
problem with spriest is like
vestal wren
assa kinda too far behind imo
sub and sin are both notocable behind
junior aurora
its priest
vestal wren
but its a consequence of this tiers tuning, almost all burst classes are weaker overall
marble hemlock
sub and sin are both notocable behind
well yeah but sub still has an incredible damage profile and flexibility in how to use their CDs
outlaw is just sustained dps
but assa being so far behind to the point where even PI wont make up for it (which will go to the DK anyway), is just not great
marble hemlock
i mean is that even true at this point
junior aurora
i mean it was nerfed because of pi
marble hemlock
even with PI its just not able to keep up anymore 
idk if thats true, seems like most of the tuning ended up coming down to aug mis-attribution
aka us topping on gnarlroot, igira and tindral cuz of spatter not being attributed to aug at all
royal lantern
idk if thats true, seems like most of the tuning ended up coming down to aug mis...
tbf, thats even worse
cus thats just plain incompetence
junior aurora
yeah i always figured blizz internal logs didnt have broken aug hooks
bc i doubt they use wcl
marble hemlock
well w/e
runic hinge
its priest
yes and I'm the only rogue so who would I give PI to if i'm not playing assa?
vestal wren
to be fair, assassination with pi is on par with sub
marble hemlock
just sad to see how far behind it currently seems to sim
junior aurora
to be fair, assassination with pi is on par with sub
this is what i mean
marble hemlock
to be fair, assassination with pi is on par with sub
yeah that aint good enough, unfortunately
marble hemlock
if a spec is the same as another spec but doesnt need externals, thats just... not great 
vestal wren
royal lantern
to be fair, assassination with pi is on par with sub
"spec with external is equal then spec without external that also has fully custom cd windows" is not really a good point fuu
lol
vestal wren
vs. subtlety
junior aurora
but thats what i mean when i said its a consequence of the spec being tuned for PI
marble hemlock
then again, the downside with sub is that you kinda need pretty high aug uptime to get full value
junior aurora
wish they would just remove PI, seems to stifle their balancing
vestal wren
"spec with external is equal then spec without external that also has fully cust...
oh no, i am not trying to suggar coat it
marble hemlock
and you make your aug friends hate you
vestal wren
subtlety is still not tuned well
junior aurora
like aug is here to stay, they see it as a big success
marble hemlock
junior aurora
but PI has been so bad for the game imo
vestal wren
if other specs are at up to 440k
royal lantern
and you make your aug friends hate you
good
aug players are no friends and deserve suffering
marble hemlock
this must be fun
nah
most aug players i know dont enjoy it
but they sacrifice themselves for the good of the guild
royal lantern
i know
marble hemlock
that deserves respect, not hate
royal lantern
nobody that actually plays aug likes it lol
marble hemlock
seeing how the good augs spend 3-4x as much time on prep (if they give a fuck) than others, thats just not cool
junior aurora
sure people do, its super relaxed for the average aug player
vestal wren
sarkarath is more sin favored, no?
marble hemlock
average aug player doesnt give a fuck and just perma buffs the same player
junior aurora
^
marble hemlock
sarkarath is more sin favored, no?
ehhh
junior aurora
they find who does top dam and just funnel to them
clever sapphire
Devoker is simming 20k more in ST than assa is simming in aoe, my evoker friend just laughed when he saw our S4 sim numbers 
marble hemlock
sark has awkward CD timings
but it might fuck outlaw with the forced downtime intermissions
so id reckon its a sub fight simply because youre not sitting on CDs
vestal wren
i am not sure if sub can get that much benefit from the flexibility of cooldowns in the first 2 raids
to beat the 30-70k dps gap
junior aurora
sub was fine pre rework on sark but idk how that lines up with dust timings
marble hemlock
i mean dust gives you more control, not less
vestal wren
sub still can't rly utialize the haste buff well
junior aurora
dunno im just gonna vibe on frost mage all patch
marble hemlock
i mean you dont really play for the haste buff tho
junior aurora
hit fat glacial spikes
marble hemlock
on sark
junior aurora
do heroic raid
marble hemlock
its not worth to lose 20sec of hitting the boss just to collect the haste buff and also give the raid more debuffs and shit
not hitting boss for 20sec makes up for a lot of the gain you get
so its really only worth if youre already going downstairs because you do bombs
which is a ranged job
vestal wren
fair
marble hemlock
and even then youre typically better off just coming back out instantly with 2-3 stacks, instead of running around to grab 8+
marble hemlock
i think sub will still do very well becuase it makes the hardest part of the fight easier, which is managing adds in p2
royal lantern
mate, again
its S4 lol
vestal wren
idk, we will see
junior aurora
i mean guilds field rosters of more than 20 all the time
vestal wren
its difficult to predict, early weeks of s4 will be in s3 gear still
marble hemlock
theres no affixes this time around to greatly boost raid DPS, and theres plenty of guilds who never progged sark or have to reprog
vestal wren
so classes with higher dps from s4 will take some weeks to gear
marble hemlock
just because you dont care about fated, doesnt mean no one else does
so yeah, for the purposes of considering how to optimize before you had 8 weeks of gearing to hit the same power relative to the difficulty of the content that we have now? it matters.
earnest remnant
pretty sure if Sark HP is just pretty balanced and you dont push him early
Assa is gonna be really fucking strong on it
oak tangle
earnest remnant
just a casual BL on all of your DM windows
oak tangle
before that
earnest remnant
is no joke
oak tangle
can't say
clever sapphire
well doesnt matter where its from, i freaking love it
oak tangle
Assa is gonna be really fucking strong on it
I would be potentially interested in logging in for razageth, it looks to be nice line up / use of caustic spatter
and be blastin on shield phases
quiet oar
keen spruce
runic hinge
I would be potentially interested in logging in for razageth, it looks to be nic...
I am most excited to try out new talents on old bosses
dark token
I would be potentially interested in logging in for razageth, it looks to be nic...
Nah sub boss
Sark is sin boss
Sub can CD every single shield in p2 for razageth
Omega dmg
vestal wren
its interessting observing how diffrent opinions are
dark token
Spatter would be pad on razageth for sin amyway
vestal wren
seliathan just earlier explained how atrocious sin is on sark
dark token
You wanna go full st for p1/p2/p3 raz, intermission 1 dmg won't matter since u can't aoe anyway due to them living short time
(as sin)
So no spatter
oak tangle
yeah i know it'll be strong for sub, but intermission is no longer a feelsbad on sin
dark token
It will still be feels bad and caustic is bait on raz
Both intermissions u won't get much use from it
Since u will hold cds
oak tangle
the three big adds which cleave onto an aoe pack?
dark token
They got rly nerfed and idk if you remember but they died quick even back then
Too quick for sin CDs (troll to XD them anyway)
So you cleave like 4 envenoms with spatter
That's nothing
oak tangle
depends on the level of your guild tbh, in our heroic clear you can fit in a cd on them
dark token
I'm talking only mythic
Cding them is pure pad and rly troll
Maybe kingsbane is ok start of phase if it will be up for start of p2 can't remember how long it lasted
I think only like 30s the whole phase?
It's def not a caustic spatter boss
Unlike sarkareth which is
Even fyrakk is not rly spatter boss either
Basically how u know if boss is spatter or not:
Are adds there when the boss is there? Yes
Are they there when boss is afk in air? No
slim hamlet
Sark is the only boss I am excited about trying I think
Maybe trying Dathea where u aren't just only hitting a target dummy the whole fight
dark token
Ye same I will play sin in council and probably kurog in voti, sub everywhere else. Maybe sin for sennarth too idk depends how cringe being pulled with sub CDs is
dark token
(sin will be buffed, be op for 1 week, then nerfed to last)
Writers reuse the script this expac
In aberrus sin will be good on sarkareth and maybe echo of neltharion too
Other bosses would be meh to play sin on if it's tuned equally to now
dark token
Basically how u know if boss is spatter or not:
Are adds there when the boss is ...
Also if a boss is not spatter boss, sin is bad atm 
Fyrakk semi exception due to big execute and good timings for 2 min shield phase
junior aurora
but even then sub is good at fyrakk
dark token
Ye that's what I mean
Only bosses with 2/3t cleave is sub bad at that's where you play sin
junior aurora
and there arent any of those afaik
dark token
I just named em
junior aurora
that matter at least
dark token
Sark/nelth should be good
junior aurora
tbh i dont even think you bring rogue on sark
dark token
Sin will be good with it
We got one week of new sin on sark and it was op
People didn't know
junior aurora
sin was also getting pi + aug stuff at the time too
biggest problem is waiting for a tuning pass anyway
vestal wren
first 2 weeks will be very similar to what we have now
new tier set and other power mechanisms will get introduced after
runic hinge
Oh so sin op and then nerfed after those two weeks to be mid
vestal wren
well not introduced, but people will have better gear within 2-3 weeks
we might see some tuning at some point
very hard to predict
runic hinge
I would assume so but who knows
vestal wren
sin and sub both look undertuned, so both could see buffs
runic hinge
Let’s hope
clever sapphire
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
quiet oar
old thistle
they could go on and give sin smth similar to replicating shadow
more like replicating bleeds and that would be great
royal lantern
.......you mean IC?
trail tree
no he means replicating shadows duh 
old thistle
slim hamlet
nova aspen
normal mist
flint siren
digital venture
hearty reef
hard river
slim hamlet
I love Pedro so much
normal mist
Me too man. My gf on the other hand, hates me because I keep sending her like 30 Instagram reels a day with Pedro.
spice spire
thorn fjord
Pedro is indeed the homie
Yo it feels so good knowing I don’t have to prog anything till the fall
clever sapphire
Yo it feels so good knowing I don’t have to prog anything till the fall
No S4 raiding?
keen spruce
fleet coral
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:
Shadow Rupture Poisoned Edges Sudden Demise
More generaly:
- fully absorbed damage do not reatribute
- shifting sands does not reatribute damage buffed by external auras (think Smolderon orbs)
More information
thorn fjord
No S4 raiding?
2 day raid weeks and its going to be hella casual
gusty mirage
Me too man. My gf on the other hand, hates me because I keep sending her like 30...
we'll stage an intervention for her
dw
gusty mirage
the only raccoon I love more than pedro is @earnest remnant
normal mist
He's indeed the number 1
fading ocean
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
soft shale
hero talents are a threat right now
with how trickster is
the day fatebound drops i expect channel to implode
subtle tundra
im about to implode
royal lantern
with how trickster is
iirc trickster doesnt even work on the alpha?
soft shale
it works as well as sub worked in last al`pha/beta
unseen strike does proc but not on everything it should etc
soft shale
yea for sure
slim hamlet
Meanwhile other discords are cooming over their hero talents
normal mist
Riders of the apocalypse sounds fucking amazing tbh
brittle jungle
Deathstalker and Fatebound when ?
royal lantern
the paladin-esque charger is the best part
past forum
one of the hero talents of all time
royal lantern
tbf, we can test trickster rn
just play sub, or outlaw with killing spree
and use feint before you use killing Spree/secret tech
peak gameplay btw
truly a HERO TALENT FANTASY 
past forum
Cant wait to fully rp a trickster and macro goofy shit like giggling into all my spells
oblique jackal
Dang so no hero talents yet for sin
normal mist
Correct
oblique jackal
My heart is heavy
oblique jackal
I have arterial fibrillation
normal mist
shy pecan
junior aurora
void mesa
somber sparrow
how can we trust the fuu sim document when he labeled us as "Assassiantion" (embellishments part)
strange python
Pedro.
royal lantern
how can we trust the fuu sim document when he labeled us as "Assassiantion" (emb...
i trust fuu
do you trust me?
somber sparrow
mama warned me 'bout strangers
royal lantern
im no stranger
slim hamlet
do you trust me?
gilded oasis
proven jasper
nova aspen
https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-schrute-thats-ridiculous-thats-a-ridicu...
bears beats battlestar gallactica
beets*
slim hamlet
I have no idea what kinda spell you just put on me
nova aspen
those are dwight's favorite things
nova aspen
oh lol
dark token
Full screen pedro spam getting kinda annoying
Check channel to see what anyone talking about always have to scroll and look and Pedro just interrupts conversations
junior aurora
gaunt sigil
proven jasper
pedro is all we need to discuss atm
dark token
emote is ok but the fullscreen gifs wall of pedro is meh
just add a pedro to end of every message
u can have ur reactions and actual convo too 
proven jasper
Good idea
midnight mist
u can have ur reactions and actual convo too <a:Pedro:1228842194052583424>
like there is any conversation in sin channel
slim hamlet
emote is ok but the fullscreen gifs wall of pedro is meh
Not everyone is rich 😦
cerulean nest
normal mist
Just doing my part
junior aurora
soft shale
normal mist
just dont make polls
If you tell a Pilot to NOT hit an obstacle, he WILL think about it, increasing the chances of hitting the obstacle.
soft shale
farm more skill on next life
unlucky
DO A BARREL ROLL
farming andross every tuesday
some people will understand
desert inlet
sinful holly
how we doing in s4 dear PTR professors
vestal wren
similar to this season
end of season time i guess
runic hinge
garbo is weird to say when assa is solidly middle of the pack
grim jay
garbo is weird to say when assa is solidly middle of the pack
its not meta
must be garbage
sinful holly
Am not sure why you want to be passive aggressive
thorn fjord
That’s not passive aggression
sinful holly
I pretty sure spent most time pvp, i am not a super expert in pve
just doing some 20+ with guild friends so i might be naive
that's fine
junior aurora
but its also like if you're asking how a spec is performing you likely aren't doing content high enough to where it would matter
like assa is more than fine in 20+
thorn fjord
Sin has been more fun this tier than it has in a while in keys atleast
sinful holly
i am not sure if we are really more than fine in 20+
sinful holly
i mean obviously i got to play with lots of DH/Ret they took most of the dmg in aoe with super fast pace
thorn fjord
You can be beating them on boss dmg
sinful holly
also it looks from wowhead data we are just among 2 lowst in myth+
junior aurora
if things are dying fast enough to where you aren't doing damage as assa in a 20 you are doing a key too low for your group
sinful holly
along with affl lock
thorn fjord
What’s your point tho
runic hinge
That's more like a measure of what people are playing at the very highest levels
thorn fjord
Sub is the highest ST spec in game and it’s like the third least played spec
runic hinge
Assa is probably bottom 2
thorn fjord
So by that logic sub is bad?
thorn fjord
Assa is probably bottom 2 <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
I’d bet sv and feral
sinful holly
i don't think the measurement is only by population
or even by population
i can find the old posts
but i also don't see why this conversation went like this
it seems like i am shitting your fav kid
whatever
junior aurora
bc you said the spec is garbo when its solidly middle
the reason it isnt played more is bc outlaw is good
thorn fjord
Because we loiter in here everyday and have people come in here talking nonsense lol
Also what @junior aurora said
And to add to ryo
It’s not meta
So no meta then people auto assume is “Garbo”
junior aurora
like if you start doing like 27+ maybe look into learning outlaw or something
but for 20-25 you can absolutely blast a key as sin
thorn fjord
like if you start doing like 27+ maybe look into learning outlaw or something
They’re never doing 27s 
junior aurora
mythic+ logs are the most useless form of log
thorn fjord
Using that graph as an example
Frost DKs are actually pretty based in keys
Yet look at its position
junior aurora
frost mage also pretty good in keys
problem is when you have another spec thats better on the same class you get all the best players to that spec and it skews results too
sinful holly
if things are dying fast enough to where you aren't doing damage as assa in a 20...
that's not wrong, we are mostly just pvp folks, doing some fun time together, going much higher doesn't give us better loot/vault so we don't normally do higher than 24+ keys, also we normally carry some new alts.
runic hinge
20's aren't 95th perccentile either
sinful holly
i think what i spoke is probably more common scenario
runic hinge
why look at top level keys when you aren't doing them
thorn fjord
Then yes Sin will def work for you
sinful holly
if you want to just argue for elite league or for people who focus on that can make sin solid middle of pack, fine.
thorn fjord
runic hinge
I got 3k io playing sin only and didn't get beat on dps more than 3 times all season. maybe everyone i played with was bad tho
gilded oasis
Yeah Tony you're cracked
thorn fjord
Prob
runic hinge
I really lock in, in keys tbh
sinful holly
20's aren't 95th perccentile either
i don't think all percentile looks much diff
i took some chart in the post
but here's all percentile
runic hinge
Yeah, but warcraft logs don't tell the whole story
gilded oasis
Yeah but the same thing applies.. outlaw is way above and beyond good with less work so why would they play sin?
runic hinge
Hardly anyone I know even logs m+
gilded oasis
I did 25-27s no problem as sin it doesn't start to matter until past that and again only cause outlaw and sub are both really good
thorn fjord
I sure as shit dont
runic hinge
1 aug in my guild does. That's it for people I know lol
sinful holly
alright, i think the point is clear, i don't want to aruge more.
it could be real, only dumb rogue players play sin at myth+, or this log is for just too small sample size.
we middle of pack, solid.
gilded oasis
I know some who do but it's overall not a common logging place. Mainly if people want to check route damage or specific scenarios or how much something hit for
junior aurora
sometimes i log m+ if we do it after raid just bc i forget to turn logging off
gilded oasis
Guess I'm dumb rogue player then
runic hinge
same
gilded oasis
Smooth brain I like to say
runic hinge
I kept my io page clean with only sin keys
sinful holly
yeah, isn't what you guys said if sub/law is better, why sin? so the report doesn't show real picture
junior aurora
wait
thorn fjord
I timed like 80 something 20+ keys this season and i hate myself for it
junior aurora
im looking at my logs rn
most of them are being uploaded by leaderboards now
the points is literally just "what specs do the highest keys"
gilded oasis
I timed like 80 something 20+ keys this season and i hate myself for it
Ye I was only at 56 this season sadge
junior aurora
assa is gonna be bottom bc everyone doing the highest keys is outlaw lol
gilded oasis
junior aurora
68 here
gilded oasis
Do one more
junior aurora
last season 44, season 1 95 lol
sinful holly
assa is gonna be bottom bc everyone doing the highest keys is outlaw lol
that's probably true
but okay, next chart..
same post
thorn fjord
That site is doodoo
sinful holly
alright
keen spruce
thorn fjord
not trying to be annoying i swear lol
gilded oasis
junior aurora
wait is that saying 165k dps overall in a key
thorn fjord
sinful holly
tbh, i think sin/sub needs tank to collaborate to unlock all potential, isn't it?
i mean for regular or random teammates, it might be hard
junior aurora
165k is just a wrong number
thorn fjord
<:prayge:803711491021733888> tbh, i think sin/sub needs tank to collaborate to u...
OL too tbh
junior aurora
every spec needs tank to collaborate
thorn fjord
if the tank is doing shitty pulls then they cant shine the way they do
junior aurora
impacted the same?
runic hinge
junior aurora
big pulls for CDs
anywys, play sin if you like it. its more than enough for what you're tryna do
sinful holly
well it supposed to be just a causaul question, i don't mean to raise such a big deal
when i look at this weekly post, i easily conclude as we are 'fairly garbo' in myth+
not trying to offend homies
gilded oasis
Probably wouldn't have been as big a conversation if you didn't call it garbo tbh
Those posts are just awful tho I wish they'd stop
But people like graphs and lines and colors
runic hinge
It’s the end of the season and no one is playing and the ones who are are bad is what I’m concluding from your charts lol
sinful holly
well if it's consistently in last 2 rank in myth+ of most popular wow site, i feel 'fairly garbo' isn't that offensive
as you explained, could be data source is bias/limited etc.
runic hinge
There’s only 296 runs in that chart and over 1k for outlaw.
gilded oasis
How many runs do you think did
runic hinge
69 unlike ryo
gilded oasis
Ayyy
thorn fjord
I’d 69 ryo
gilded oasis
shy pecan
runic hinge
Yeah that’s fake news lol
midnight mist
OUTLAW R1 LETS GO 
proven jasper
As long as ur sending on cd you can do 200+ ez
clever sapphire
OUTLAW R1 LETS GO <a:LETSGOO:966129852946198659> <a:LETSGOO:966129852946198659>
imagine being r1 with 250k, isnt that what a good tank dh does
clever sapphire
you dont see me anywhere
junior aurora
a lot of talk from an outlaw and not a lot of pedro
clever sapphire
im not oding keys
junior aurora
clever sapphire
doing
midnight mist
runic hinge
thorn fjord
Zac comin in HOT
My guild is still the last guil to get CE... Watch us finish last for the tier... Would be so dope tbh lol
shy pecan
OUTLAW R1 LETS GO <a:LETSGOO:966129852946198659> <a:LETSGOO:966129852946198659>
Sjele was saying nerf outlaw
shy pecan
Some PTR vid he made where the outlaw player was doing like 840k DPS and he was doing like 700k
shy pecan
gusty mirage
when i look at this weekly post, i easily conclude as we are 'fairly garbo' in m...
Wouldn’t say garbo, but essentially nothing lives long enough to benefit from kingsbane + spatter which is a big chunk of sin’s aoe. On top of that, it gives up quite a bit of ST for all the aoe funsies. Then when it got over nerfed it made little sense to play the spec unless you love it because it is noticeably worse. Idk where that site is getting its numbers from but that’s really really low compared to my experience
But ye tldr: assa mid af in keys
midnight mist
non outlaw would actually need externals in some of these keys i think
like a real dps
gusty mirage
Sub is good defensively but still worse than outlaw if you’ve played that
runic hinge
Zac will you teach me to play outlaw
midnight mist
nah never played that
gusty mirage
Zac will you teach me to play outlaw
Push blade flurry and then let Stuart press BTE
runic hinge
Bonk bonk bonk bonk
gusty mirage
He’ll parse an 80
thorn fjord
Bonk bonk bonk bonk
more like bang bang bang bang
gusty mirage
I miss Stuart
gusty mirage
He’s my favorite ravenholdter
gusty mirage
Why we have pedro
You watch your whore mouth when you talk about Stu
runic hinge
I farmed out 40 plunderstorm renown so I could feel like I’m riding him around
gusty mirage
runic hinge
trail tree
finally i have been freed from the jail that is amirdrassil
trail tree
entire fight i was just zoning out, then last phase i was locked in 🔒
vestal wren
finally i have been freed from the jail that is amirdrassil
congrats, just in time
trail tree
my tiny brain couldnt keep up with not being blaze bomba 99
trail tree
gzgzgzgzg
gusty mirage
Hell yeah
trail tree
man now im actually sad, didnt win race to world last
gusty mirage
All the friendos are free
thorn fjord
We were hoping for world last
thorn fjord
Y'all had 214 pulls we has close to 500 though LMAO
gusty mirage
To get people mounts
thorn fjord
This tier had us in the first half thinking it was easy
Then Swift came around like naaaaaaaaah
gusty mirage
Tony tell Stu to beat up dieslow for making fun of me
You didn’t experience the real tswift sir
trail tree
yap we blasted it
thorn fjord
You didn’t experience the real tswift sir
We would have never killed it lol
trail tree
but to be fair this was legit just p1 progress for 90% of it lmao
trail tree
fight is fun though, until its "go again, some dipshit blazed tree" and its like 50 pulls into the night
runic hinge
i wasnt making fun of you 😛
trail tree
at one point i was debating between wanting go to p1 rasz again or stick to fyrakk
thorn fjord
Swift took us 586 pulls and Skinny arms took 472
Those last two bosses were a living hell
trail tree
yeah i gotta lean towards fyrakk
trail tree
i was in the hospital for tindral so i missed that shit 
but i count my blessings 🙏
i got fyrakk, fuck tswift
gusty mirage
We killed smolderon in November 💀
thorn fjord
We killed smold Jan 24 lol
gusty mirage
2 full months to kill the last 2
thorn fjord
So happy to be done
Was hoping to drop in on raid with some of you for the next season
gusty mirage
You’ll never understand the first tindral “nerf” where they added 2 more feathers for no reason so we had to relearn feathers after 80 pulls
thorn fjord
considering its a joke
@gusty mirage you guys have such a clean comp
Nice and symetrical
royal lantern
We had 397
current guild was ~500 on fyrakk
and cus i did 80% of progress on the old guild before they decided to kick me for 2 ret paladins after ret got buffed
280 with them
so over 700 pulls fyrakk
gusty mirage
xdd
trail tree
mental hospital patient after 700 pulls??
royal lantern
you stop caring after some time tbh
the worst part imo is still
that they pulled the "you are here for the entire raid progress, and litearlly when we start reaching p3 we kick you cus ret got buffed and you play assa" bs they pulled off
and that it WORKS
junior aurora
you cant come in here talking about mental hospital patients in their place of worship
royal lantern
cus its actually disgusting behaivor
trail tree
thats rat behaviour
thorn fjord
That’s bitch shit
trail tree
that is a reason of all time for sure
runic hinge
Main hand ilvl is biggest dps increase usually right?
spice spire
cus its actually disgusting behaivor
Rat ass guild
runic hinge
typically it's gonna be main hand > trinkets/tier > jewellery > rest
So as someone who isn’t gonna raid mythic my first bullion is probably best spent on a dagger since it will go to highest ilvl and would typically be biggest increase in dps correct?
royal lantern
ye
balmy condor
sounds pretty reasonable to me yeah
royal lantern
like, 90% of the time, getting a max ilvl weapon is the best thing you can do
runic hinge
Better than relying on vault for a myth dagger probably. And it seems bullion gonna be pretty unlimited
royal lantern
1 item every 2 weeks ye
runic hinge
Can’t wait to spend it all on transmog
junior aurora
Lfr alt time to grab missing tmog
royal lantern
LFR tmog is the hardest shit to get man lol
junior aurora
no its actually piss easy now
runic hinge
Yeah for real. Season 2 wasn’t bad because they had the stuff you could buy off a vendor and convert but I barely have any for s1 and s3
junior aurora
convert wq gear
runic hinge
I’m not here to do world quests ok?
I took my picture of nat pagle and didn’t even finish the rest of it
royal lantern
wdym, free stuff from them for often 0 effort
junior aurora
love getting thousands of gold while flying around
thorn fjord
Wouldnt you wanna get eggnogg ring first?
junior aurora
weapon first bc its biggest upgrade
thorn fjord
That ring is going to be the biggest pain in the ass to get organically
junior aurora
you can get that too
runic hinge
The thing is if I don’t get weapon first I won’t see a myth one until I get it in vault or I actually invest a bullion
royal lantern
Wouldnt you wanna get eggnogg ring first?
im somewhat sure whisp said its not even great anymore
cus like
thorn fjord
Are we only getting a finite amount of Bullions?
royal lantern
the fire emb is not really good anymore
glossy dust
@balmy condor when list when i buy what from coins - im not playing where is it - video is fine too - please?
thorn fjord
the fire emb is not really good anymore
Helm encant should still proc and its good for other 2 specs
Hot take but im more than likely just gearing OL up then sub for this season
Only cause i wont be playing as much as I have
And i wanna play mage at some point
Watch sin get huge buffs
A man can dream
trail tree
looks like he's shredding some gnarly waves ngl
thorn fjord
Its great
midnight mist
checking sin channel and seeing words instead of pedros chains 
gilded oasis
storm forum
shy pecan
runic hinge
trail tree
void mesa
dark token
Fight back against pedro
glossy dust
surely this is just satire at this point?
strange python
How many runs
midnight mist
surely this is just satire at this point?
nice wa pack you are using here
royal lantern
surely this is just satire at this point?
Sooner or later, everyone sees the Time Knife
glossy dust
i dont even wanna know tbh - but this was a random ass run at the end of the season
royal lantern
glossy dust
i havent even seen it bevor
royal lantern
they knew what they did with that flavor text
glossy dust
nice wa pack you are using here
allready did my compliments to it
royal lantern
nice wa pack you are using here
who made it
midnight mist
glossy dust
i said it again cleanest wa / ui out there
midnight mist
who made it
no idea
gilded oasis
Some qtpie probably
midnight mist
glossy dust
<a:SoCute:1021164936929484820>
the important qestion is - are u updating plater für s4?
midnight mist
i already updated it
midnight mist
ye when i was doing m+ on ptr
glossy dust
nice
midnight mist
all colors are up to date now i think
glossy dust
dope thank you for your work
midnight mist
if you are referencing that
glossy dust
its like the only thing to update too
midnight mist
yep
strange python
i havent even seen it bevor
Idk my shitty rogue alt got it on its 2nd run, skill issue bro just drop it faster next time?
glossy dust
Idk my shitty rogue alt got it on its 2nd run, skill issue bro just drop it fast...
bro dont
every rogue
rat rogue i saw in pug
midnight mist
did you get it first vault tho
strange python
All of my alts tho
Today I went on my warrior
I have never done tot before
I was like hm might of the ocean would be nice
Ofc it drops
My main never geht’s Shit 
strange python
did you get it first vault tho <:peeposmile:1187917262280216729>
Bro I need to find you a picture of my mages first vault the mage discord hated me so much
Gimme a second
glossy dust
plater where @midnight mist
midnight mist
strange python
did you get it first vault tho <:peeposmile:1187917262280216729>
Look at this shit
midnight mist
strange python
It’s actually bad tho because whatever you pick is a feelsbadman
I told myself I’ll surely just get Belorelos from raid
Never got it
midnight mist
most of the times there isnt that many at the same time
bro hunter color is hunter color
wdym
its like ugly green
midnight mist
the cool green is monk tho
strange python
Facts
midnight mist
thats for main target big hpo dudes
glossy dust
ye i just saw
midnight mist
or name
midnight mist
name i change color based on threat
glossy dust
yeye but the colors only stand for like the top half
midnight mist
the other guy is a healer and shit so pink
glossy dust
because u also have pink
midnight mist
yeye but the colors only stand for like the top half
ye its only the plate color
midnight mist
the casts bars are all blue when kickable
or red when not ?
red or grey i dont remmber
prolly red
glossy dust
thats the most important
strange python
Does your plater only work with elvui?
glossy dust
he got SUF
strange python
Gosh I yeeted Elvui recently and it broke so many plater profiles
Ye bro but there is some plater profiles that literally look garbage without elvui because of elvui fonts they use
glossy dust
ah u dont have plater?
strange python
I do have plater
midnight mist
ye i use custom textures and font because i prefer it, but you can also just not use it
strange python
Been using some scuffed one since that happens this is my lifesaver 
midnight mist
i dont think my plater profile is the best
runic hinge
Cev’s plater is goated don’t @ me
midnight mist
I like all of my UI, but my plates im not as satisfied with, only the color coding is good imo
rest is average
strange python
I am not a big dungeoneer anyways so I don’t really care as long as it looks nice and from what I’ve seen it does
midnight mist
well its decent
strange python
If you don’t push keys and only do what you have to for gear you just kick whatever you like and it’s fine
So I don’t really care about what target is important and what not it doesn’t kill you anyways
glossy dust
what else would u need anway
didnt pay to much attention how the plater of these high pushers look like
strange python
Ugh you can do a lot with plater
midnight mist
Ye imo color is the very important thing
glossy dust
but do you need it tho
midnight mist
And it needs to be good, you gotta know what everymob is at any moment
glossy dust
like if you color the important mobs
gilded oasis
Cev’s plater is goated don’t @ me
@
midnight mist
Without reading names
strange python
In very high keys you tend to pull a lot so ye
midnight mist
Y
strange python
Yeah but there’s also prio targets for specs that do prio etc
You can do a lot but
It’s personal preference
In the end
strange python
There’s no „if you push high keys you need this in your plater“
glossy dust
ofc
strange python
just kick everything
Good mentality I like it
Just kick what you can you don’t need to think more
strange python
Bro I do it all the time
strange python
I just kick so nobody can post the kick meter from details
strange python
Hell yea
gilded oasis
I only kick air
strange python
Press aoe blind on cd we good
gilded oasis
<:MadgersFinger:906581494640824320>
new pups just dropped
runic hinge
Cuties
gilded oasis
oh you saw
runic hinge
I’m everywhere at once
glossy dust
so with your plater @midnight mist most important are monk and casters?
like as in focus monk kick casters
glossy dust
the blue?
glossy dust
oh i tought it was other way around
Monk color are the main focus of the pulls, usually HP sponges
gilded oasis
I dont use colors I just remember in my brain (I don't remember)
glossy dust
cool tho that u got extra for like stunable casters
runic hinge
I just aoe silence and then press dm and kb and whatever mob that is dies
glossy dust
not that id use kidney but you know
glossy dust
I just aoe silence and then press dm and kb and whatever mob that is dies
peak gameplay fr
runic hinge
One mob just extra fucked every 2 mins
glossy dust
atleast it isnt as stressfull like otlw
runic hinge
True. Assa is just
and then
inner pelican
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
inner pelican
!guide
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Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
runic hinge
storm forum
keen spruce
trail tree
wanton spear
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quiet oar
shy pecan
harsh nacelle
Don't know in which channel to ask so I'll ask my assa homies; im torn between outlaw and assa for s4. I'm a casual player and not that bright tbh. Assa is nice because its not as spammy, though the burst window combos are more difficult to pinpoint. Are there any predictions as to which rogue spec will fare better for casuals in s4?
shy pecan
Don't know in which channel to ask so I'll ask my assa homies; im torn between o...
Just play whatever you have more fun with
And sin’s burst window isn’t as complex as it might seem
balmy condor
I think in general it’s gonna be whatever you’re more comfortable with as a player
Outlaw probably requires less brain, but more spam
Assassination will require more cooldown planning and executing those windows properly
Whatever you can wrap your head around easier will most likely do better
bleak sun
keen spruce
trail tree
normal mist
keen spruce
hushed night
guys i didnt play in a while , why is my assa autocasting my aoe finisher when i have cp and try to fok
hushed night
no i press fok not ct
hushed night
no i dont have such a makro
keen spruce
that's not how things work
hushed night
i literaly got on and was like wtf is my mouse broken and im accidently pressing it but no i checked it
im totaly confused rn
normal mist
probably a hardware issue
keen spruce
sounds like a broken ass game/pooter
hushed night
checked again , if i press ct and have no cp he automaticly presses fok WTH IS HAPPENING
normal mist
It is then an hardware problem
hushed night
i was so confused xD
normal mist
You gotta get up and go get another mouse tho :C
hushed night
im sad, i really liked that one
normal mist
Oh how i feel you
hushed night
its weird still, the mouse is definitly broken
this is the input
78
7 is my fok 8 my ct
and when i press again
78
it does the ct and not the first input of fok
wth is my mouse doing?
sharp viper
check your software and maybe rebind them
modest spindle
on the tooltip of caustic splatter it doesn't mention that it procs off ambush, am i missing something?
marble hemlock
Tooltip is borked on that one, but it works (easy to try out in game)
modest spindle
got it, do garrote DoTs stack?
marble hemlock
no
garrote is just one effect, if you re-apply it, it replaces the previous one, i.e. if you have a stealth-empowered garrote and cast another one a bit later, you will lose the stealth damage bonuses on it
modest spindle
ok i see
manic quartz
i wonder if garrote was the strongest it ever was with bfa shrouded suffocation x3 in azerite items
somehow i remember it doing insane dmg
sturdy ember
Just picked Rogue up, seems so weird that caustic spatter doesn’t work off CT. Or any bleed poison combo for that matter.
oak tangle
huh?
what do you mean bleed poison combo
also, i thought it cleaved any nature damage
glossy dust
tool tip atleast says bleeds
subtle cipher
sin rogue is that far behind compared to the other 2?
sharp viper
Just picked Rogue up, seems so weird that caustic spatter doesn’t work off CT. O...
caustic spatter activation: 1 rupture debuff on target + 1 deadly poison debuff on target + use of mutilate/ambush on said target = 10s of caustic spatter debuff on target
caustic spatter debuff: 45% of poison damage as aoe on non-primary target
glossy dust
Does envenom count? didnt really ever check but it should right?
atleast it says poisoned blades
gusty mirage
sin rogue is that far behind compared to the other 2?
you want my honest opinion or my opinion that won't upset whispyr
subtle cipher
you want my honest opinion or my opinion that won't upset whispyr
honest :3
split jewel
honest is more fun
gusty mirage
I think that assassination was overnerfed, and now desperately needs power infusion to be relevant in raid, and no amount of coping from people in ravenholdt would ever change that if you're playing assa in raid and taking a PI away from a BM hunter you're actively inting your raid DPS which thus makes it kind of unplayable
but if you're just vibing with friends, it's fine
depends on the goals ya know
problem with a spec being "fine" is when the two other specs are just better
subtle cipher
fair
gusty mirage
also the "ST targeted nerfs" kinda ruined assa in m+ and I'm still not over that and I will never forgive the balance team for doing that
manic quartz
i'm giving assa a shot in s4 since i enjoy the gameplay loop
split jewel
I wish they found a different way to ramp Kingsbane other than poison apps, or de-couple poison apps from auto-attacks
glossy dust
also the "ST targeted nerfs" kinda ruined assa in m+ and I'm still not over that...
new villain arc inc
gusty mirage
new villain arc inc
I've been convinced since SL that the balance team just slaps a prompt into chatgpt and that's how they balance
high jetty
We committed to playing BTM to title this season for fun, and I’ll be doing either SIN or arms. It’s not good but it’s not awful either. It’s got giga prio
sturdy ember
By poison bleed combo I mean it should work once you have a combination of any poison and a bleed on the target regardless of what poison and bleed.
split jewel
chatgpt saw too much "pooling" posts and made sanguine blades
glossy dust
I've been convinced since SL that the balance team just slaps a prompt into chat...
hoenstly its s4 might aswell grief no
from my experience so far you aint getting pi over bm anyway so might aswell do negative dmg
errant swallow
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
subtle cipher
i really like sin, but i also like outlaw, everytime i play sin i feel like im griefing myself and my teammatates lol
manic quartz
from my experience so far you aint getting pi over bm anyway so might aswell do ...
good time to have priest friend
glossy dust
good time to have priest friend <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
mine switched to tanking
manic quartz
betrayal of the highest form
glossy dust
not really i just leaned into sin
we also have another giga blaster friend
he was right tho sin is hella fun
manic quartz
i enjoy it the most from all the rogue specs
but still i somehow always gravitate towards sub at the end of seasons
split jewel
Auto-attack no longer apply poisons. Poisons are applied by Mutilate/Ambush/FoK. Rework Improved Poisons so bleed ticks can re-apply poisons.
Should I get out of the kitchen?
trail tree
dont think you ever were in the kitchen to begin with 
split jewel
rotund oak
spice spire
Should I get out of the kitchen?
Blud if you speak it again ur gonna get muted
(This is a joke, but seriously what the fuck)
modest spindle
Hoe much behind is assassination compared to outlaw/sub rogue in dps? Is there a known % or some reference? (Generally speaking, maybe more for raiding)
gusty oak
anyone know whats the best dagger for s4?
rare jackal
I think that assassination was overnerfed, and now desperately needs power infus...
spitting
royal lantern
@balmy condor which TWW embelishment are we gonna use????
split jewel
TWW alpha sims literally do not matter right now...
What we really need right now are sims for MoP Remix
royal lantern
real
royal lantern
<#1014354006270808144>
and interupt the pedro chain?
runic hinge
The hardest choices require the strongest wills
normal mist
and interupt the pedro chain?
you're so real for this
amber stream
Do we still need a +22 for a +7 next season or they removed that? Does anyone know?
royal lantern
everyone starts with a +2
grim jay
everyone starts with a +2
wait really
royal lantern
yes
amber stream
I just need any key, yea?
grim jay
if its +2 you dont need any key at all actually
amber stream
Because season is surely dead, no tanks at all.
grim jay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057796487406420009/1230973678074986567/i...
thanks fam