#assassination

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balmy condor
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then 3

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then 4

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cause every time you throw you get it on a new mob

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on council you get it on 3 mobs

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so 1+3, next throw is 4

glossy dust
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so 4 cps

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i mean that is what i said no

slim hamlet
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yerp

glossy dust
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i see tho ty for explaining

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it does sound like an intresting ability ngl

balmy condor
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you end up just kinda throwing them out on cooldown

glossy dust
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also wanna try sudden demise

slim hamlet
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yes ples buff it mr blizzard man

glossy dust
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friend told me its funny when mobs just die

slim hamlet
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Sudden death in low m+ dungeons

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pop mobs at 30% hp

glossy dust
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he was like u just go in there they reach execute range fast and it just goes POP

balmy condor
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yeh on like a +7 or whatever

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they explode

slim hamlet
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That was so fun right after rework

balmy condor
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in higher keys you get the same effect but with deathmark

glossy dust
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but only on the dm mob tho no?

balmy condor
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you just press deathmark on something and sudden demise pops at like 2 mil

glossy dust
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i dont quiet understan what you mean

royal lantern
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work tomorrow makes me wish for a sudden demise

slim hamlet
glossy dust
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you mean the one mob you pressed dm on

balmy condor
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well yeah obv

slim hamlet
glossy dust
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shame on you

balmy condor
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in higher keys mobs have too much hp

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sudden demise ain't doing 15% of a mobs hp in a +32

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it's flat damage

slim hamlet
runic hinge
glossy dust
slim hamlet
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yes

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or not now

glossy dust
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he will forgett i will wait a day

slim hamlet
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because it has been memed 200 times

glossy dust
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change name and ask tomorrow

slim hamlet
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smart

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me too

glossy dust
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idk its weird to me

slim hamlet
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or wait until like the beta

glossy dust
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that the dot spec

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feels more bursty than sub

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i like it but

balmy condor
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that's weird to me as well

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cause sub is more bursty

glossy dust
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is it tho

balmy condor
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yes lmao

royal lantern
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yes

glossy dust
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damn

slim hamlet
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Isn't it that sub does more in burst, but more of our % dmg is in burst

balmy condor
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idk I don't do dumb math puzzles like that

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% of damage in burst

glossy dust
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i mean ye that is kinda how it is but

balmy condor
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who cares

slim hamlet
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me

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soo now I will find out

royal lantern
slim hamlet
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well

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we got bigger bursts I guess but they got more

glossy dust
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that is kinda what i was trying to say

slim hamlet
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both have all dmg in burst so

glossy dust
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the dmg window

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feels more bursty

balmy condor
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yeh

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dm+kb is higher

glossy dust
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but shaming me

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when i said it

past forum
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The sudden demise pop used to make my game lag at the start of the patch, specifically when there was an RP associated with the pack dying

slim hamlet
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Sub still more bursty

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do less dmg outside CD

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but both do tank dmg outside CD

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so

royal lantern
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or smth like that

glossy dust
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bp outside of dance sod is really wet noodles

balmy condor
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yeah I mean sub is burstier because it does 80% of our burst, but twice as often

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outside of cds sub is doing nothing

glossy dust
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is dance + sod

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more than KB + dance?

balmy condor
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yes

royal lantern
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kb outside of dm very mild

balmy condor
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you need the deathmark in order to do damage

royal lantern
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most of the time not even 1m dmg

glossy dust
slim hamlet
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actually that low?

balmy condor
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yeh

slim hamlet
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yea rough

balmy condor
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kb on its own is like 750-1.2mil

slim hamlet
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Beta KB competitions were the time

royal lantern
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peeposhrug most of the time my non-dm kb is bettwen 800k and 1,1m, tends to be in the 880k side most of the time for me

balmy condor
slim hamlet
glossy dust
slim hamlet
glossy dust
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as in it doesnt do anything for it

balmy condor
royal lantern
balmy condor
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so it scales kb like crazy

glossy dust
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oh wait

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let me reread

slim hamlet
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guess which KB is with DM

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xdd

glossy dust
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oh ye there it says

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i didnt see the lethal poisons part

balmy condor
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the comparison is pretty much like kb on assa is sectec on sub

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sub has sectec constantly, and it does consistently X damage

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kingsbane is every minute, but every 2 min it goes crazy, and you got 15 layers of RNG to try and break through on it like a bean dip

slim hamlet
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Just crit

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and also proc windfury 10 times

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and also proc poison on every hit

balmy condor
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yeah

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just do it

slim hamlet
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and also force your priest to PI you

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I can't wait to see hero talents

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For suuuuure this week

balmy condor
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I'm excited

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I'm less excited for how ravenholdt will react

slim hamlet
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Can't wait to ask what is BIS the second it's revealed

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only like 2 of all the hero talents so far have been actual bad

glossy dust
slim hamlet
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There is no shot we don't get good one

past forum
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I feel like our sub shared tree is gonna be more enjoyable but the outlaw shared one accidentally is tuned way higher

slim hamlet
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I feel like tuning has to be pretty easy for hero talents

past forum
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I have no basis for this just random gut feeling

slim hamlet
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besides for the very few that has high synergy with other stuff

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but there has only been a couple like that

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I just want to see them I am a lore/theme nerd

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and this hero talent stuff is very exciting

past forum
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Bear is one of my other highly played specs and luckily both options are absolute heaters

slim hamlet
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The deathbringer one for blood and frost dk made me make a new frost dk

balmy condor
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my only hope is that whatever we get doesn't make people come in here just to bitch and moan

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cause that's seemingly becoming the norm

slim hamlet
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keep coping bucko

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We could get Rider of the Apocalype level of theme and Scalecommander level of strength and we would still complain

balmy condor
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class discords started off as like high level discussion of min-maxing fights and shit and we've moved more and more towards a subreddit with a help desk

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traffic disappears when nothing is happening

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the moment something happens everyone jumps out to shit on it

past forum
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The consistent knowledgeable ppl here changed my perspective on what kinda humans rogues were but the ppl you’re talking about remind me where i got that impression in the first place

spice surge
balmy condor
slim hamlet
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^

slim hamlet
balmy condor
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idk how that actually calculates

spice surge
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20s

balmy condor
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weirdga

slim hamlet
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nvm it is the same

balmy condor
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20s isn't really what I'd define as a maximum burst damage per second

slim hamlet
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The very first burst for sub is a lot higher than the rest

balmy condor
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20s is very much not a peak

slim hamlet
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but sins other 2 mins are a lot higher

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i mean for sub it's the highest point

image.png
balmy condor
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just a weird metric

slim hamlet
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but again every other than the first sin clears

spice surge
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Well ye, but my point was that without PI the burst are very similar

balmy condor
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sure

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with average rng and no pi

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they're close

spice surge
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Sub has higher rng

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or atleast as high

balmy condor
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for the overall maybe but ain't no way you're gonna tell me the burst is as rng

spice surge
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???

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It definitely is

balmy condor
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???

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based on what

spice surge
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Simc

balmy condor
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fuck simc, what is the spec mechanic that is making the burst so rng

spice surge
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2p, crits and shadow techniques

somber sparrow
balmy condor
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okay well we can eliminate crits since sin is suffering from that giga as well

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so you're saying that the rng of the 2 piece + whatever from shadow tech

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is just as impactful as poison rng on kb

spice surge
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Yes

slim hamlet
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the ret paly can have season 4 PI

balmy condor
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but I can't believe that they're closer than that

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shadow tech is kinda insanely consistent in the broader world of procs

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and I don't think 2 piece can carry the rng that hard

past forum
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Maybe on smolderon where you’re praying for shadow rupture every intermission but otherwise probably not

glossy dust
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those procs are no joke

balmy condor
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ok

glossy dust
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also theres this screenshot of the same sub rogue going into p3 fyrakk with a huge diffrence in dps

glossy dust
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ngl kekdog

balmy condor
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idk what I'm supposed to do with this info

glossy dust
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im sorry to hear about that

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nithing really

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atleast its harder to see tho

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the kb tracker do make u feel some type of way

spice spire
slim hamlet
spice spire
slim hamlet
glossy dust
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i wonder - the people that play like for ce guilds here - do yall got wa telling u evrything?

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when i check some streamers like idk hopefull or twicks theres so much shit on the screen

balmy condor
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idk about everything

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I personally use a weakaura pack for my rotation like pretty much every mfer

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and then for boss weakauras there's shit that I need to have for all the stupid private auras and whatever

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assignments on fyrakk intermission is a big example

glossy dust
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wa for your rotation?

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do you mean wa showing cd's?

balmy condor
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yeh

glossy dust
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ye thats standart

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but idk these people

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there was not 1 sec where somenthing wasnt blinking

balmy condor
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but like in terms of weakauras for boss stuff it's just bigwigs + some niche things depending on the boss

glossy dust
junior olive
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anybody kno whats the highest key u can do this week for a good key next week?

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for s4

glossy dust
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next week isnt s4

balmy condor
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idk if they said how or even if conversion is happening for season 4

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cause the whole m+ key level is different

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would assume they're just gonna reset keys

junior olive
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23rd is s4 right?

balmy condor
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yeh

woeful meteor
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either full reset or -20 on your current key

balmy condor
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next week would be the week to do keys for conversion

junior olive
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oh im trippin

balmy condor
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but I don't think it's happening

junior olive
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u right

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lol

balmy condor
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probably a full reset on key

junior olive
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ok ok

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thx

storm forum
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4th raid this week/lockout RabbitCorpse

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send help

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call the overtime police

balmy condor
storm forum
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thx

woeful meteor
runic hinge
spice spire
spice surge
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That was such a great twitter account

keen spruce
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u can do it

balmy condor
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nvm

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fuu uploaded

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goat

ember mural
storm forum
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first P3 pull, 43%, tank sniped all the other seed carriers, it was glorious

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started phase at 46% without hero used yet its actually in kill range

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im screaming inside

shy pecan
balmy condor
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that's really good

storm forum
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We just had another 47% with 1 dead for most of p2

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its actually so killable

runic hinge
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So close

balmy condor
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was the 46% with everyone alive the whole time

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I may have assumed that people were dying

storm forum
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we used our brezes

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so some down for like 10-20 seconds

balmy condor
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I see

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I think after the health nerf and stuff you'd probably want to be 45 or lower going into p3 if everyone's alive

balmy condor
storm forum
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oh yeah its killable

balmy condor
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totally killable yeah

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but not as great as I first thought

storm forum
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mhm

storm forum
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ok, boss dead tomorrow

balmy condor
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🙏

keen spruce
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we ended up switching like 3 of us to full boss damage

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once the collosus' started dying

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and the boss got the absolute business in p3

storm forum
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Our comp is like 2x rogue, 2x dh, 2x demo lock, 2x mage. We are accidentally murdering all the adds so everyone else is full ST.

keen spruce
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I switched all of my CDs on to boss

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i think our DH did too

storm forum
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I should probably do that now that we're getting to p2 with everyone alive

bronze pike
rotund oak
storm forum
quiet oar
shy pecan
runic hinge
midnight mist
flint siren
hot fulcrum
balmy condor
hearty reef
near valley
distant ridge
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and the poor edition

slim hamlet
split maple
digital venture
quiet oar
ember mural
trail tree
spice spire
near valley
forest nacelle
dire marten
stuck knoll
shrewd night
rigid mango
thorn fjord
vestal wren
clever sapphire
fleet coral
glossy dust
strange python
keen spruce
kind forge
gaunt sigil
hearty reef
gusty mirage
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@earnest remnant come collect your family

earnest remnant
hearty reef
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streak broken đŸ˜©

gusty mirage
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stealthi is taking yall to trash panda jail

quiet oar
slim hamlet
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It was supposed to be the end of assassination

gusty mirage
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I don't recall asking for your two cents

slim hamlet
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I don't have that much anyways

spice spire
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I believe it, bum ass

slim hamlet
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It's because I have all my money in investments and other adult things

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Trust

thorn fjord
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Last vault of the season

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SURELY THERES A NICK

slim hamlet
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easy nick

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it's by law

thorn fjord
steel ridge
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Theres another vault next week beare

near valley
clever sapphire
near valley
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cause i don't believe

slim hamlet
near valley
slim hamlet
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Imagine Fatebound gives us roll the bones and outlaw seal fate

thorn fjord
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NIck has evaded me once again

slim hamlet
thorn fjord
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BLAST

near valley
clever sapphire
near valley
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nick has also avoided me

slim hamlet
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I honestly can't imagine not getting it in first vault of the season

thorn fjord
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I would have taken a decent Sub trinket too shrug oh well

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Got skinny arms to 20% last night

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I THINK HE DIES TONIGHT

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But i just jinxed us for sure

ember mural
slim hamlet
steel ridge
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No stop

royal lantern
shy pecan
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Eleem was on a villain arc the other day
 sus

slim hamlet
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I have never seen Oxi and Eleem in the same room

royal lantern
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now that you mention it

spice spire
royal lantern
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ofc a green name would say that

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did we ever see quake and oxi in the same room aswell??

spice spire
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We’ve literally been yapping In here nonstop

slim hamlet
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Something sus here

shy pecan
slim hamlet
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True

spice surge
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This you?

spice spire
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Tell them eleem

slim hamlet
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Have you ever seen you and oxi in the same room?

slim hamlet
spice spire
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?

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Mf I bitched about log reviews. You think I’m doing this?

shy pecan
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Makeitquack, when next draft?

slim hamlet
spice spire
shy pecan
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Okok

thorn fjord
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Just finished taking a dump... Log review? @spice spire

spice spire
thorn fjord
royal lantern
shy pecan
thorn fjord
royal lantern
fallow canopy
thorn fjord
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Would a bidet count as an external?

runic hinge
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Definitely

fallow canopy
thorn fjord
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Then 1

split flame
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we playin assass. for raid cuz its bis for every start of the season?

thorn fjord
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We playin what we like to play out here

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Dont be a slave to the meta

split flame
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im just flexible and perform for my raid team

thorn fjord
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Then play Sub

split flame
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sounds good

thorn fjord
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Sin isnt bad... Just performs better with externals and still falls behind sub considerably

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But its the last week of the tier... You're chillen

clever sapphire
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also imagine not playing the spec you enjoy most next season

gilded oasis
spice spire
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Good name

rotund oak
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streak has been broken

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😩

thorn fjord
storm forum
runic hinge
slim hamlet
glossy dust
bleak sun
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OK 3k4 io reached : 2hr/day only, playing sin only, pug onlykekdog

digital venture
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Gtz! :p

storm forum
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Good job, but also damn pug only is next level masochism there.

digital venture
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Pug is a nightmare tho. Depleted 2 20+keys yesterday due to players still not knowing boss mechanics

runic hinge
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Yeah I stopped at 3k cause I couldn’t pug anymore

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Having a shaman healer talent outta kick in a 23 eb ruined m+ for me

junior aurora
runic hinge
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They dropped it for poison cleanse totem because it was afflicted week. Which in theory isn’t the worst excuse I’ve heard but then we missed the kick on the heal on trio boss twice and I was like wtf is happening

hearty reef
rotund oak
junior aurora
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i play with a priest, no getting bailed out with a 5th interrupt

bronze pike
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who broke racoon tower

midnight mist
vestal wren
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think thats maybe a bit too spammy

midnight mist
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dont ban me

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I apologize

storm forum
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Back foul mod

midnight mist
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guys mods are here

storm forum
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The power of christ compells you

midnight mist
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hide

runic hinge
spice surge
midnight mist
thorn fjord
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Racoons are so dope

runic hinge
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Yeah @earnest remnant is

blazing jewel
midnight mist
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no

blazing jewel
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@balmy condor hellegirlkiss

thorn fjord
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!whispyr

blazing jewel
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Ping all the special names

thorn fjord
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Feels like a trap

runic hinge
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Feels like an easy way to get muted and or banned

rotund oak
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dont wanna get nuked sry

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whispyr's wrath will echo through the channels

slim hamlet
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wait

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!whispyr

near valley
rugged summit
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do u guys think that assa will be on the same spot as in season 3 m+

hallow token
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Saw the Mythic Amirdrassil DPS rankings up on Wowhead. I think it shows assassination and outlaw both need some sort of help (or, hater angle: for everyone else to be nerfed). BUT. What I am really wondering is how useful it is to be monitoring mythic Amirdrassil but not any mythic plus dungeons. Obviosuly it would be difficult. But I wonder if it would be worthwhile.

blazing jewel
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Sorting by all bosses is always a meme and borderline useless information

earnest remnant
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also note sure if being dead middle of the pack warrants anything

glossy dust
blazing jewel
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And for a lot of fights overall damage doesn’t mean anything

junior aurora
blazing jewel
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Boss damage is all that matters on tindral and fyrakk

subtle tundra
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assa HAS to be first

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otherwise its not ok

junior aurora
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when assas first it gets nerfed so noty

spice surge
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Not to mention a spec like sub looks worse on the overall bosses because its horrendously bad on council

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So if you exclude council sub would look better, balance and ele would look significantlyworse

subtle tundra
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im horrendously bad at council(i sit on the fuck that TPs)

thorn fjord
keen spruce
glossy dust
hallow token
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In M+, you can blow out the timer if trash doesn't go down in a timely fashion. Bosses going down quikcly can offset that. It wouldn't be unusual in an M+ for assassination to be 3rd on DPS on trash, and leap to 1st DPS on bosses. But if the overall isn't right the timer can blow out.

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Something that won't track is that our survival buttons, like feint, might mean that we die less, or not at all, which would mean, at least, that we aren't contributing +5 seconds to the timer every time we die. It can add up. But maybe it is impossible to quantify meaningfully.

subtle tundra
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does assa do top st in m+?

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havent done an m+ in 4 months

drifting cloud
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Cheesin ok varas

subtle tundra
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welllllllllllllllll

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back when i was playing it didnt

drifting cloud
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yeah nothing changed

subtle tundra
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maybe people are better than me 😩

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im washed, ok?

thorn fjord
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Are you even still subbed?

glossy dust
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are there any more optimazations besides the few noted on wowhead?

thorn fjord
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Uppers

runic hinge
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Find a priest and pay them to be your friend

midnight mist
clever sapphire
glossy dust
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i do have a question regarding Dance and Vanish tho for m+

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in the guide it says:

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does that mean that instead of using vanish for the last 3 seconds of KB i would use it at the start so i have a improved garotte for the whole duration of DM?

clever sapphire
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vanish is either used last 3 sec for kb or to spread bleeds

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since you always have dance/kb when you dm you will also have improved garrote for your dm

glossy dust
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well depending

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if i read that there more or less correctly im also free to just dance to spread improved garottes

clever sapphire
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ya

glossy dust
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this means i wouldnt have it for my KB window

clever sapphire
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im pretty sure you would just press kb before dance ends, no matter what

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cause sending kb without dm or dance is jsut an oof moment

glossy dust
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ye that was kinda the question with all 3 of them in m+

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i didnt say without dm tho

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the question was kb + dm and vanish

clever sapphire
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well m+ is weird, there is no "always do this or do that"

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kb/dm usually at the same time

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vanish is situational

glossy dust
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id imagine its more worth having a improved garotte during DM and not for the last 3 seconds for MA

clever sapphire
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if you dont have kb/dm and your tank keeps chaining i would vanish to spread my shit

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well im not smart enough to answer a question like that, i never really send dm without kb

glossy dust
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i never said that

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can u please stop saying that kekdog

clever sapphire
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but you are saying improved garotte during dm is better than last 3 sec of ma

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for*

glossy dust
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ye with using vanish

clever sapphire
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but with dance you already have imp garrote

glossy dust
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if i usedance

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outside my cds to spread garotte

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im left with the choice if i want to vanish for improved garotte for DM/KB

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or for MA for the last 3 ticks of KB

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thats like the only 2 ideas that come to mind

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i do wonder tho

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if that like ever happens like that

clever sapphire
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ya thats something im too dumb to answer

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or i dont wanna give a wrong answer

glossy dust
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i could be restealthing

spice surge
clever sapphire
spice surge
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DH and monk too

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Ye and 2x aug

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đŸ‘ș

clever sapphire
glossy dust
clever sapphire
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i did quite a few assa keys this season, and i dont think i ever had a moment where i didnt have imp garrote for my dm

runic hinge
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I just macro dance to kb and just send it on cd and do what I think is best for the pull

clever sapphire
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and i never used vanish to have imp garrote during dm

glossy dust
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oh wait now i remember what my friend said

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ye makes sense

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hes "explanation" was kinda true but sad but he said

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you will rarely full kb on a mob

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so you rather vanish for improved garottes

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and line dance with KB

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ye makes sense

clever sapphire
glossy dust
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then u can also send properly every 1min

clever sapphire
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i mean i just did a 20 for a weekly, i popped dm/kb on a mob, it exploded from sudden demise at like 60% hp

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kb got 2 ticks

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so unless you are running 25s

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kb wont last

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at all

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xD

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so just send kb/dance to spread bleeds

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or thats how i did it

glossy dust
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well ill prob not kb/dance for bleeds spread because idealy i would have them out allready (imo)

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but

clever sapphire
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assuming the tank lets you restealth

glossy dust
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lining dance/kb makes sense

clever sapphire
#

like if i use dance i use kb

glossy dust
clever sapphire
#

yeeee if you link him whispyr video he will chain even more

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anyways, at the end of the day i have no idea if you use vanish for imp garrote or last 3 sec when assuming that you only press kb and dm (without dance)

shy pecan
glossy dust
clever sapphire
#

!restealth

prisma monolithBOT
#

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

  • Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
  • This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
  • You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
  • This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
clever sapphire
#

you can just send this

static shore
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
glossy dust
clever sapphire
#

also tell your tank to chain pull when mobs have 30% hp, not when one mob is alive with 10%

runic hinge
#

Tell your tank you have uncapped aoe so just pull the whole dungeon

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Or else they’re bad

glossy dust
clever sapphire
glossy dust
#

idk how outlaw channel has +200 messages every other 30min

clever sapphire
#

cause fotm spec

#

everyone in there

glossy dust
#

i barely see any rogues roaming

clever sapphire
#

but its usually one question gets asked

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and the 10 regulars start talking about it

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for like 400 messages

glossy dust
#

"iS OuTlaW goNa bE StRonG nExT SeAsOn?"

clever sapphire
#

wowheadnews always baiting me

glossy dust
#

rogue channels do be somenthing else

dark token
#

They have to keep spamming

midnight mist
#

mad

slim hamlet
#

popping AR irl

#

using on cd not even waiting for CD to run out

shy pecan
glossy dust
#

but otlw channel is also 90% zac and zeross screaming

midnight mist
slim hamlet
digital venture
glossy dust
thorn fjord
glossy dust
runic hinge
clever sapphire
rotund idol
ember mural
midnight mist
split jewel
#

for next season, what covenant sims the highest during xmog runs of Sanctum?

balmy condor
#

my brain just irl bluescreened reading that

slim hamlet
glossy dust
#

Hello lads. Do you perhaps know if there will be a crit cap next season? Anything i should be aware of?

slim hamlet
#

34% every season

glossy dust
#

you forgott to change name

#

couldve made him bluescreen irl twice

slim hamlet
#

oh fuck me

#

well

#

I said I was gonna wait until the alpha

glossy dust
#

true true my bad

#

What was it about gear last time? If i run otlw/sub gear it aint that bad for sin?

#

so i could do like m+ otlw and sin for raid for instance? is that like doable without losing crazy much?

#

Besides trinket and weapon ofc

storm forum
#

Yeah iirc vers heavy OL/sub sets are only like 2% behind for sin.

#

We just want stats.

#

All the stats

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As many total as possible

glossy dust
#

well ud probably not be vers heavy on sub id imagine

#

but that is i asume a yes then?

storm forum
#

Yeah

glossy dust
#

otlw and sin season gone be fun fr

#

oh do u know per chance if poison bomb also splatters?

balmy condor
#

yes

runic hinge
#

Okay I run dtb in keys next season

limber lion
#

Have you not been doing that?

runic hinge
#

I messed around with all the builds at the start but I settled on that one for most of the dungeons I ran

balmy condor
#

arterial shock is based

halcyon crypt
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
gilded oasis
#

my mouse thumb has a blister now @spice spire can you sim the dps loss on this for me?

spice spire
#

That’s how much dps you lost

gilded oasis
#

ok I found a 2nd blister I think I should be put out to pasture

balmy condor
gilded oasis
spice spire
gilded oasis
#

its not me its me

spice spire
gilded oasis
#

wow thanks

runic hinge
#

A real life friend of mine told me that someone else told them I’m a shit stirrer in here

gilded oasis
#

I got pics with my fave band last night and looked like a doofus in the pictures so I am kinda the problem

#

Wow thats just accurate Tony I mean rude

spice spire
runic hinge
#

I’m a certified yapper but idk if I’m stirring shit tbh

gilded oasis
#

some people think yapping is stirring shit

spice spire
gilded oasis
#

we just love yappin

spice spire
#

Tired of it ReallyMad

gilded oasis
runic hinge
#

We do love yappin

gilded oasis
#

my blister be hurtin

runic hinge
#

Don’t put a band aid on it

#

Heard those have lead

gilded oasis
#

god I love lead

#

cant get enough

junior aurora
#

the only lead i love is the lead i have over these fools in plunderstorm

gilded oasis
#

đŸŽâ€â˜ ïž

balmy condor
#

I love abestos and lead paint, they're my two favorite pieces of interior design

gilded oasis
#

yummy

spice spire
keen spruce
spice spire
ember mural
runic hinge
trail tree
woeful meteor
split jewel
storm forum
desert inlet
balmy condor
shy pecan
rotund oak
thorn fjord
void mesa
quiet oar
split maple
flint siren
gaunt sigil
vestal wren
fierce sigil
#

Did i read it correctly that somebody Wrote „Outlaw and assa Season“? 🙈

#

Was that Cope or for real? 😂

runic hinge
#

it's whatever you want it to be

royal lantern
#

sub at the bottom

#

why else would it be called sub

shy pecan
#

This guy...

quiet oar
#

As it should be

royal lantern
runic hinge
vestal wren
fierce sigil
#

Ok But i dont Like Outlaw that much tbh

#

So i have to decide between assa and sub

near valley
shy pecan
#

Unless you're playing in WF keys or title down the road, just play whatever you enjoy the most

royal lantern
near valley
#

Could play with your feet and it wouldn't matter tbh in s4

runic hinge
#

will you play with my feet?

royal lantern
#

meme spec is "strong" in the meme season, fitting kekw

runic hinge
fierce sigil
#

Y thats probably true 😂

near valley
runic hinge
#

kinda sus emotes to have tbh

bronze pike
near valley
#

Idk what some of these servers use em for but I'm afraid to ask

grim jay
#

The gap is kinda big tho

vestal wren
# near valley

very likely, it is the only spec around 400k, and it seems like most other classes are around that mark or above

#

talking about patchwerk, even if its not the best estimate

royal lantern
#

what

near valley
grim jay
vestal wren
#

yes, both are more around 430k

#

so they are a bit too good

bronze pike
#

Stay that way

near valley
#

Legendary users tbf

rotund oak
bronze pike
#

Especially arms cause fury is 380k

rotund oak
#

did fuu really said that

vestal wren
#

keep in mind that the sims are irrlevant initially

near valley
#

Yes

vestal wren
#

because bis sims do assume a lot more gear

grim jay
rotund oak
#

Rogue icons collapsing

#

Fuu has fallen

bronze pike
near valley
#

Also Dev's s2 tier set was basically as powerful as s3 just ilvl difference made it a bit worse

#

Then they buffed it and ilvl increase

bronze pike
#

Dev is funny

vestal wren
#

its a fun season

near valley
#

Things like 20% or something

vestal wren
#

so i wouldn't be surprised if tuning wasn't done to the same extend

runic hinge
bronze pike
#

Cause dev has a habit of randomly exploding in keys :)

near valley
#

Yeah I like dev

#

I'm all for it

grim jay
vestal wren
#

but there might be no incentive to tune the season

#

s4 SL was also poorly tuned

bronze pike
#

Fated sl didn’t have much tuning

#

But who knows

vestal wren
#

a lot of the last seasons in history had bigger outliners

bronze pike
#

Alpha tomorrow

near valley
#

Not going to a high retention season

#

Most peeps will dip when remix or beta or cata, etc. Comes out

bronze pike
#

Season 3 is kinda

#

Well balanced

vestal wren
#

s4 will be a colossal failure in my opinion

runic hinge
#

if theyre still subbed tho thats a win for blizzard

#

even if they aren't playing retail

bronze pike
#

It’ll be a fine season

vestal wren
#

but we will get timerunning and some other goodies

#

to pass the time

bronze pike
#

It’ll be up until panda comes out

rotund oak
#

s4 is a mage season

bronze pike
#

Then back to fated when people get bored of panda

near valley
vestal wren
#

if you like m+, s4 is great

near valley
#

Fated was an experiment

#

This is even more low quality

vestal wren
#

if you like pvp, s4 will be great

bronze pike
#

??

rotund oak
#

s4 pvp will be a banger

vestal wren
#

if you loved the DF raids, s4 will be great

grim jay
#

We gotta expect them to move with the times and adjust what they do, especially with all the new hype they did build up, even for a fated season. Fated seasons already are lazy by default. But its Blizzard I guess. I expect atleast one tuning pass tho

bronze pike
#

Literally the same quality as shadowlands fated

royal lantern
vestal wren
bronze pike
vestal wren
#

s4 is literally just something to pass time

runic hinge
#

fury warrior kinda fun tbh

vestal wren
#

blizz admitting that there is a lack of content and giving players at least something

runic hinge
#

pretty brainless

near valley
vestal wren
#

plunderstorm, timerunning, alpha(possibly soon), and maybe some secret pve content?

rotund oak
grim jay
#

The something can still be done well. I dont think balancing stuff roughly is some magical hard work

bronze pike
vestal wren
bronze pike
#

Just cause fated was new in sl doesn’t mean it was higher quality

near valley
#

Value

royal lantern
# vestal wren s4 will be a colossal failure in my opinion

the problem is...... yeha the MoP remix is a cool and interesting twist on the ussual "more exp" event

but outside of that, its litearlly just "do the same raids again" with nothing else, no affixes that make people do dumb dmg etc.... just "yeha, now have fun wiping on fyrakk ghosts again lol"

near valley
#

Value

vestal wren
#

but balancing relies on data collection

#

so they can do a initial tuning pass

#

and after that see how specs perform and adjust

#

problem is, you have gearing during that period and changing raids

grim jay
bronze pike
#

Sin=bis

vestal wren
#

so you need longer to estimate the strengh of specs

near valley
vestal wren
#

i expect some tuning

near valley
#

Tbh it's just something to pass the time

vestal wren
#

but who knows

bronze pike
#

It didn’t take me long to max out the lego cloak tbh

near valley
#

The realnpain would be if your too strong and trivialise everything early

grim jay
bronze pike
#

Your not the only person

#

still a smol minority tho

grim jay
#

Id take the heirlooms from SoO tho, if they are in. So I would atleast speedrun it then

vestal wren
#

wow moves to a more brought model with more than one content

#

classic is a big content group now, probably the biggest of wow

royal lantern
#

its a leveling event

#

if stuff would take long, it would be kinda stupid

bronze pike
#

You’d think there be some kind of a harder grind for it

royal lantern
#

? why ?

near valley
#

It's a collectors dream too

bronze pike
#

Idk y’all probably right

near valley
#

Farm all the bronze to get all the cosmetics and mounts etc.

bronze pike
#

Bronze idc about that’s fine

royal lantern
#

you take a class you wanna level, bring it to 70 fast cus the event has some BIG exp boost, get some cosmetic goodies on the side, and thats mostly it

#

its not a "deep" event

grim jay
royal lantern
#

its litearlly just a fancy version of the "new Expansion soon, here is a 100% exp Boost"

#

still a great idea, dont get me wrong

bronze pike
#

Ya your right I had the “lego has to be legendary” mindset when it’s legit just a achieve that grants a toy

grim jay
#

Yeah for new chars its great compared to just spaming dungeons with more xp

#

Now they only need to add more races to shaman so I can finally get myself to level up the last class

bronze pike
#

All races become ret

near valley
bronze pike
#

Ret troll for mini heroism

royal lantern
grim jay
royal lantern
#

shaman/paladin/druid are just waaay more work then other classes

#

cus of their unique visual stuff

runic hinge
royal lantern
#

vulpera shaman is bis

#

best totems

#

FACT

grim jay
#

Im an alliance guy

runic hinge
#

racist

near valley
#

So

#

Live a fantasy through that I guess

bronze pike
#

Willingly being a kokron

#

Ew

grim jay
#

Would be better than playing a dwarf

#

But still a nono

near valley
#

Only because they don't look as dumb and have mole machines

#

But still dwarves

royal lantern
#

with crossfaction guilds and cross server guilds soon in tww

near valley
#

Very vital

#

Very important

#

Much wow

junior aurora
#

dont be poor?

keen spruce
#

kinda grinds my gears when i click into this channel and I see letters and words instead of Pedros

runic hinge
rotund oak
hearty reef
shy pecan
midnight mist
near valley
fleet coral
junior aurora
distant ridge
quiet oar
split jewel
clever sapphire
rotund oak
slim hamlet
royal lantern
#

ill give it 1 1/2 days until pedro spam is banned kekman

clever sapphire
slim hamlet
#

Pedro is the new reset button for Whispyrs voices

#

It is needed

glossy dust
earnest remnant
#

gif posting is fine as long as it doesent disrupts actual conversations of people that are trying to get help / talking about the spec

storm forum
#

Pedro spam is good for my mental health

#

Every time I wanted to doom last night I just alt tabbed to the great wall of pedros

slim hamlet
#

It's like one of those team building activities

#

The rogues get closer every Pedro

gusty mirage
royal lantern
#

(and because you hate fun)

gusty mirage
#

Not true

#

If anyone hates fun it’s the purples

#

Because it’d be fun as fuck to mute all of you for a month and they won’t let me

royal lantern
spice spire
#

I also hate fun

gusty mirage
spice spire
earnest remnant
clever sapphire
quiet oar
#

Good talk good talk, now lets return to the Sin Channel special

spice surge
#

Fun is overrated, despair is what i aim for

spice spire
#

Ur real for that

clever sapphire
#

i love how our raid roles excel sheet has a seperate place for augvokers

image.png
#

because aug so special, they dont fit anywhere

sharp viper
#

I want to contribute to this channel but i don't have nitro to pedro 😩

slim hamlet
#

gif pedro's are just as good

clever sapphire
#

same

quiet oar
ebon quest
#

so since we are almost at the end of season 3 has there been any confirmation as to which aoe spec does the most dps in say like a Mythic 18-20. I sim a bit higher with the hybrid build over the shock build. but i was curious if anyone did any actual real life testing

#

i lack a consistent enough group to run the same key on the same difficulty to compare the two different specs in any sort of reliable fashion

clever sapphire
#

outlaw

#

9/10 times probably

#

and that 1/10 is sub when tank pulls 50 mobs

ebon quest
#

i meant between the different assassination builds....outlaw is very cleary miles ahead....i just don't enjoy that spec

clever sapphire
#

ah

ebon quest
#

was more or less just looking at the most efficient M+ assassination build

clever sapphire
#

we talking about current 18-20s so 8-10 next season right?

ebon quest
#

that's correct

spice spire
clever sapphire
#

id say its the sudden demise build

royal lantern
spice surge
ebon quest
midnight mist
outer cairn
#

@keen spruce someone said you're old today

ebon quest
clever sapphire
#

everything is gonna melt

#

so choose the thing you wanna play with

spice spire
#

All that to say. It depends

ebon quest
#

hmm those are both fair points

spice spire
#

@keen spruce hbd mister duck man

dark token
#

Guarantee

#

Hybrid build/cleave build relies on getting a full kingsbane consistently which is just thot the case in +18-20

#

Hence you are left with AP shock

ebon quest
#

yeah i do notice things seem to die a bit quick in 20

dark token
#

You need a sudden demise build as a result and AP shock is about big bleeds big demise not kingsbane as much

ebon quest
#

so unless i'm pushing higher keys than just 20's stick with the shock build

dark token
#

Ye

#

I would play shock until like

#

25

rotund oak
ebon quest
#

oh okay, that makes sense. i just like my portals and 483 gear. so that's good to know

rotund oak
ebon quest
#

thank's everyone

nova aspen
#

and a special thanks to pedro

ebon quest
#

well he's the real mvp

slim hamlet
#

I hope alpha comes tonight with hero talents man

#

I am so hyped

ebon quest
#

i'm super curious about what the assassin hero talents will be

gusty mirage
spice surge
steel ridge
midnight mist
spice surge
#

Thee shall not hypeth

slim hamlet
steel ridge
#

Its been 7 weeks, surely we can wait another 7, because even if a supposed alpha nda drops today, the rogue talents will not be in that build F_ F_

midnight mist
#

they will be

#

I know everything

#

im currently playing alpha rn

#

rogue a banger

#

pressing feint rn

steel ridge
#

🩜

midnight mist
spice spire
spice surge
#

Sry tht was uncalled for

alpine juniper
#

I have gotten every class to 3k this season but for some reason rogue is my worst by far. I love SIN but the dungeon performance in the 22-24 range never felt good. By comparison, I absolutely slap as SV Hunter and Ele shaman both of which are in just as bad spots. While I feel this is definitely a GIT GUD BRUH, I also feel Sin as a whole is weak and requires the kingsbane window each pull to fully proc for it to be impactful.

spice spire
steel ridge
spice spire