It's 25s
#assassination
dark token
glossy dust
idk i like how the tracker says "NEW RECORD!"
i was also told if KB gets parried u can like stop playing
fun times
runic hinge
If kb gets parried it’s a fail your mechanic and wipe the raid angle
royal lantern
If kb gets parried it’s a fail your mechanic and wipe the raid angle
"i think my game crashed"
keen spruce
Fyrakk has a convenient platform to jump off
When your KB gets parried
Don’t even need a mechanic
royal lantern
Fyrakk has a convenient platform to jump off
how often did a DH/evoker fall down for you
keen spruce
royal lantern
happend 4-5 times for us
keen spruce
We don’t have an evoker. Dh a couple of times
Normally trying to drop a fire storm off the edge in p1
Making unnecessary gamer plays lol
storm forum
"Fyrakk just parried 5 mil" is something that I am very afraid I will need to say.
Don't ask how many times our mages and dragon have jumped off I lost count
royal lantern
"Fyrakk just parried 5 mil" is something that I am very afraid I will need to sa...
what drugs are you taking where KB is 5mil all the time
if a parry happens, i keep the voices away by telling myself "eh, would have been a 1,8m anyway"
ignorance is a bliss
storm forum
KB is 5 mil if I casino
storm forum
And if rng was bad enough to have my KB get parried, then it definitely would have swung to good enough to get 5 mil
Definitely how that works
All parried KBs would have gotten max value
69 poison applications, 100% of ticks crit
5 mil was a low ball
gilded oasis
runic hinge
Is that you
slim hamlet
this has to be one of the top most random things to send
slim hamlet
muricans and their little sports
runic hinge
Light the beam
gilded oasis
this has to be one of the top most random things to send
I got more we had extreme pogo and some trick shit dunks
gilded oasis
sacramento winning though RAAAAAAAA
Wooooooooooo
It's really just an excuse to drink expensive beer and yell and sweaty men fr
shy pecan
Pretty much
spice spire
It's really just an excuse to drink expensive beer and yell and sweaty men fr
You really miss raiding eh?
gilded oasis
You really miss raiding eh?
Sure do. I love raiding mang
spice spire
Damn
runic hinge
Same
rotund oak
It's really just an excuse to drink expensive beer and yell and sweaty men fr
that can be done only by watching football(preferably champions league) and its perfectly normal
basketball sucks
it was a fun game anyway
rotund oak
Ive made a trip to Germany to watch Bayern-Real Madrid some years ago
arguably one of the best experiences ive had in my life
Another good one was Tottenham-Manchester City
visited hotspurs new stadium
gilded oasis
Ah that's cool
royal lantern
Ive made a trip to Germany to watch Bayern-Real Madrid some years ago
wait, you where in Bayern?
static glacier
that can be done only by watching football(preferably champions league) and its ...
A lot of sports can give the same excuse, cricket games are just day long drinking sessions
steel ridge
wait, you where in Bayern?
🇩🇪
grim briar
hi y’all, returning after a long break since S1. I seem to remember assa being quite strong at the start of the expansion, how we’re feeling about s4?
velvet bridge
hi y’all, returning after a long break since S1. I seem to remember assa being q...
For what content?
grim briar
m+ primarily, with some more casual mythic raiding
royal lantern
for m+ its in probs its best state ever cus it actually has aoe now
spice surge
Assa is not the best, therefore it is horrible and unplayable /s
royal lantern
still under outlaw ofc
spice spire
Assa is not the best, therefore it is horrible and unplayable /s
Ur real for that
spice spire
Real eyes realize
spice surge
Like the comic where all classes do exactly the same dps, but the guy is upset warriors are last (because its listed alphabetically)
dull cobalt
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gqmCd8fpZJDhcPWX#type=casts&source=78&view=timeline&fight=21
Would anyone be willing to go over my logs here and guide me to be a better assassin. Please and thank you!
austere sorrel
6 KBs for 9mil total dmg means each KB was doing 1.5mil average. I'm just a noob but doesn't that seem low?
dull cobalt
i died just before my 7th KB.. was gonna come up in a couple seconds
what can i do to improve my KB damage?
is my general rotation lacking... priority of spells etc
austere sorrel
I assume you follow the proper KB rotation if you're on M fyrakk..? Def wait for a better player to answer. Just my 2c while you wait
dull cobalt
🫡
woeful meteor
you missplayed your KB window on every KB of the fight
austere sorrel
If you don't have it already, I'd recommend the weakaura to track your KB dmg (and helps with timing), so you know what you're doing
And practice the timing on a dummy of course
royal lantern
you missplayed your KB window on every KB of the fight
huh
i just took a really quick glance and it looked allright..?
maybe im just drunk, idk
austere sorrel
Oh I didn't look at all, on phone at work
runic hinge
maybe im just drunk, idk
Have you been drinking?
royal lantern
a bit
woeful meteor
i just took a really quick glance and it looked allright..?
some are smaller things like going into KB without enough envenom duration cause you didn't finish at 5+ and others are KB without shiv
no shiv is also during pot
dull cobalt
Im misplaying my shiv... am i utilizing my vanish properly too?
woeful meteor
vanish is fine
dull cobalt
i just need to use my kb more and bank both shivs during kb uptime?
and ill get that weakaura.. could you give me the name for it?
woeful meteor
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
austere sorrel
I never use any shivs outside of KB
proven jasper
its notters kb tracker
dull cobalt
https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug
ty!
runic hinge
i just need to use my kb more and bank both shivs during kb uptime?
you should be saving your shivs to cover KB only
never shiv without kb up
dull cobalt
will do 🫡
runic hinge
like here you just shiv twice without anything going on
then for this time you just kinda randomly shiv in the middle of DM one time
Which kinda results in your shivs being off for the rest of the fight
rotund oak
wait, you where in Bayern?
If u are not trolling Its in Munich,the Olympic stadium,if u are trolling it was a sad attempt
runic hinge
Lord knows I don't need another excuse to day drink
royal lantern
If u are not trolling Its in Munich,the Olympic stadium,if u are trolling it was...
no, it means you where ~2-3 hours away from me
spice surge
Dragonslayer1337
rotund oak
<:pepehands:757566347558387803>
oh lol,where do you live?
my father was a doctor (general surgeon) in gelsenkirchen ive visited germany alot
rotund oak
Dragonslayer1337
rotund oak
close too the border to Bayern
Nice!
Im planning visiting again coming october
octoberfest^^
bigboobs,bratwurst,weiss beer
its like heaven
gilded oasis
glossy dust
Is there a full list of stuff u can get from MoP remix?
glossy dust
ye i noticed its on ptr
but this https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-mounts-available-from-timerunning-pandaria-vendors-mythic-garrosh-heavenly-338706 is a list no
just for mounts tho
holy shit there are maany
royal lantern
funfact
glossy dust
most of the mounts are bangers
royal lantern
i have thundering ruby serpent
that one where you need 10 crystals that very rarely drop from enemys in Vale
and i dropped all 10 crystals during BfA Nzoth assaults
balmy condor
and i dropped all 10 crystals during BfA Nzoth assaults
Tbh I think a lot of people did
glossy dust
wasnt rogue one of the unpopular classes?
balmy condor
They’re not that rare
Rogue has been in the bottom 2 least played classes since the game released
glossy dust
Unless population size means somenthing else according to that dps ranking
royal lantern
wasnt rogue one of the unpopular classes?
always has been and probs always will be unless its giga broken for like, 5 patches in a row
glossy dust
sub is one of the most popular ones?
royal lantern
?
glossy dust
well not most popular but
balmy condor
?
glossy dust
it is for the highest percentile tho in mythic
but atleast there its not bad?
can i check somewhere overall like player count on classes?
glossy dust
arent population size individual
balmy condor
I dont know what that means
balmy condor
You’re the one who just said it
royal lantern
https://www.wowhead.com/news/amirdrassil-weekly-dps-rankings-dragonflight-season...
mate, look at the population size, and not the dmg bar lol
glossy dust
its what it says in that table
glossy dust
mate, look at the population size, and not the dmg bar lol
i am
royal lantern
all 3 rogue specs togheter are roughly equal to BM alone lol
gilded oasis
cute town, population 1 its whispyr
royal lantern
and Ret dwarfs them all
glossy dust
and Ret dwarfs them all
ye but besides that
royal lantern
and the sub number is inflated cus sub was OP this patch aswell lmao
glossy dust
its evend out
royal lantern
you look at MYTHIC, where people tend to play whats stronger by default
in a patch where rogue (sub mostly) was bonkers
glossy dust
i mean that is what i said tho
runic hinge
Look at normal
glossy dust
Look at normal
where can i check
royal lantern
now go heroic/normal raids and the numbers get reaaaally low
runic hinge
balmy condor
glossy dust
and its STILL under many many classes
thats not true true its not that far off of mage/druid etc
royal lantern
thats not true true its not that far off of mage/druid etc
"under" druid in 2 druid dps specs when druid has also a tank and a healer AND when this is a tier where druid is kinda poopy
glossy dust
balmy condor
Dudes actually just putting words together
royal lantern
most people will play whats strong there
glossy dust
i just said for mythic it didnt look to bad
royal lantern
and its still on the lower side overall if you think about the fact that Sub was dominating for almost the entire tier
glossy dust
dont have to resay mythic 10 times
royal lantern
meanwhile BM is "really bad" and sees mad play all the time
glossy dust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#difficulty=3
y im checking rn
royal lantern
ret paladin is always high no matter if strong or weak, if its strong you just get more FotM andys
balmy condor
Sub is having one of the strongest tiers in many years
People will play sub in mythic
spice surge
Even if you check mythic, its still very low
royal lantern
Sub is having one of the strongest tiers in many years
and still 5k population size in the link he sended
runic hinge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#difficulty=4 this is heroic
glossy dust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#difficulty=4 this is heroic
y i saw that one with the rets
its crazy
royal lantern
turns out
when the generic fuckboi spec that plays itself
is unkillable
has waaay to much utility in its kit
and can handle any situation
is suddenly buffed into OP for no reason
people gonna play it
and abuse the fact that they dont even need experience to play it
glossy dust
idk why yall mad 24/7 in here
royal lantern
just slam shit
gilded oasis
im mad, i just mopped and my bf just walked through it with dirty shoes
royal lantern
im mad, i just mopped and my bf just walked through it with dirty shoes
death
glossy dust
or other classes that are strong for no reason
runic hinge
just throw out the whole bf
glossy dust
god damn hell falls
balmy condor
Idk bout that
But you’ve also only been here for like 3 days and had the pleasure of interaction with Soviet and tryan dooming
So I kinda get it
royal lantern
glossy dust
you aint that innocent yourself mister
royal lantern
ive checked all 3 channels over some time
sub channel is FotM andy heaven right now
outlaw channel is outlaw channel, we dont talk about that one
glossy dust
theres recipes
balmy condor
Im consistently the most positive person about assassination in here
I get in fights with people regularly over it
gilded oasis
scrappy do
spice surge
Who’s mad
Im mad, people have been dodging in my league lobbies consistently for like half an hour now
royal lantern
<:sitmadge:1098972930605588491> Im mad, people have been dodging in my league lo...
easy solution
delete league from your PC
gilded oasis
<:sitmadge:1098972930605588491> Im mad, people have been dodging in my league lo...
Play Wukong, easy W
balmy condor
So if the claim is that there’s some primordial rage in the channel when talking about assassination and I’m a part of it
Then idk man
royal lantern
additonal benefit: you dont download the malware programm called Vanguard without League on your PC
balmy condor
Cause I’m very regularly on the other side of it
royal lantern
But you’ve also only been here for like 3 days and had the pleasure of interacti...
and hey
im really happy with wow rn
gilded oasis
stocklhom syndrom
royal lantern
just dissapointed that the "normal" S4 season looks lame af overall cus its....really just "more ilvl, do raids again" and nothing else, not even affixes
balmy condor
im really happy with wow rn
You make that insanely hard to believe sometimes cause like 80% of your posts are doom
runic hinge
He's a known hater
gilded oasis
please dont use his words against him wtf
royal lantern
want me to come in and say "the remix idea is great cus it will probs lead to a fully revamped leveling experience, which is great for new players and makes leveling characters better"
royal lantern
He's a known hater <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
quaked raised me well
runic hinge
So true
glossy dust
So if the claim is that there’s some primordial rage in the channel when talking...
will remind u
when time comes
when u least expect it
runic hinge
I'm super excited for remix and the only reason I'm moderately excited for s4 is that we have new talents for bosses
royal lantern
I'm super excited for remix and the only reason I'm moderately excited for s4 is...
what did i miss there....?
new talents?
spice surge
Assa on sark gonna go hard
balmy condor
Kind of a weird threat that you’ll remind me when I’m not positive about something
But okay
glossy dust
new talents for bosses? arent they remix only?
runic hinge
Yeah, we got reworked lol
spice surge
He meant old raids with 10.2 talents
runic hinge
^
royal lantern
oh you mean like that
runic hinge
Yeah, getting to spatter pad on sark is gonna be fun
royal lantern
new talents for bosses? arent they remix only?
that one has no new talents
royal lantern
the only "gameplay change" for it is the gems, which are all either just passive procs and a 2min active one
glossy dust
so you ment old raids new sin
runic hinge
yes
glossy dust
Kind of a weird threat that you’ll remind me when I’m not positive about somethi...
watch your back
royal lantern
oh god
runic hinge
That'll be fun once through each and then I'll go to remix for the rest
royal lantern
broodkeeper
balmy condor
will do
royal lantern
royal lantern
same
glossy dust
and no 400h videos anymore
runic hinge
I had to take ic and iron wire for dathea and this time I will not
royal lantern
ah yes, the oxi special
runic hinge
saving vanish
glossy dust
that restealth video killed everything
balmy condor
my middle name is yappington
glossy dust
you trew so many digits around i cant even tell if its correct
or rather hard to follow
make a video explaining it
balmy condor
problem is, if it was easy to follow it would be like a 3 hour video
because if I show the math in sims and explain that
"oh but sims aren't game"
shy pecan
my middle name is yappington
Pretty sure this guy has taken that name from you with all the yapping he's been doing.
balmy condor
and if I show one log and dive that, then "oh you cherry picked that log"
if I pick a bunch of like 27 keys
"oh well those are high end keys, not low end"
gilded oasis
please show every log and scenario and also keep it under 10 min ok. its not that hard
glossy dust
gilded oasis
samesie tony
royal lantern
"oh but sims aren't game"
sims arent game unless i have a high sim and need to show it everyone so they can see how cool i am
runic hinge
New pin
balmy condor
thereoticaly 7 logs or how much u had arent statisticly enough
I had 20 logs, and with a statistical significance of 5% the sample of raw impact imp garrote had a margin of error of +-6.84% on the mean of 4.618%, or +-0.31%. Doing the same with the damage lost is a margin of error of +-0.05% total dps, which is the same error rate as simulations. I chose as many logs as I did deliberately to match the error rates to each other
so yes, I agree the sample should be bigger
but no, they are statistically significant
glossy dust
i aint reading all that
balmy condor
and I checked the math to prove it
glossy dust
joking let me see if i can bait u real quick
royal lantern
i aint reading all that
BASED
glossy dust
4.618% mean with almost 7% error 
glossy dust
thats not to bad
weird in the video was how out of semengly nowhere there was a 0.5%
that later became 13?
glossy dust
still cant believe tanks are losing me 4.6% dmg
balmy condor
they aren't
glossy dust
they should be more considering of restealths
balmy condor
4.6% is the impact of improved garrote as a talent
based on the log data, tanks are losing you 0.58% of your damage
glossy dust
wasnt the 4.6% what you lose if you get no restealths at all
balmy condor
well yes, going from every stealth and vanish and dance to no stealth and no vanish and no dance
but you still get vanish and dance regardless of how your tank pulls
glossy dust
instead of my kb window? nah
bro listen
i had my fun
but i have yet to touch a sin key
i trust you 100% with your math
balmy condor
yeh I mean it's less about if you trust me or if you've run a key or not
damage from restealths is just very important to me
I have spent a lot of time on it
rotund oak
weird in the video was how out of semengly nowhere there was a 0.5%
in what video are u referring here to?
can i have a link
balmy condor
so I will defend it forever
glossy dust
only 10?
rotund oak
i study whispyrs stuff
glossy dust
hopefully u took notes
balmy condor
I got a brain that needs to be studied ya know
rotund oak
i took some 95-96 parses man,im happy
rotund oak
I got a brain that needs to be studied ya know
thats not even complicated math,calm down boi :p
past forum
"restealths dont matter" was a lil harder to download for me at first but i also hadnt downloaded the "dont hold ur cds, just send them" drive yet either and when i installed they both became more self-evident
balmy condor
thats not even complicated math,calm down boi :p
usually when people say that you have a brain that needs to be studied it's cause they're an idiot
I'm making fun of myself
rotund oak
before i slap u^^
glossy dust
now thats a real threat
balmy condor
if there's anything that doesn't matter it's me aggregating log data so that I can ramble to no one for 35 minutes about a very niche micro-community inside of a video game
past forum
i work in retail food service, i promise you there are many other things that populate the bottom of the "shit that matters" ladder
balmy condor
I appreciate that
balmy condor
i work in retail food service, i promise you there are many other things that po...
retail food service 
past forum
it's truly a lens to the worst in people
strange python
now I pretend to be a food service manager
@balmy condor you're doing great but I need you to work harder
balmy condor
royal lantern
i work in retail food service, i promise you there are many other things that po...
oof
stay strong mate
working in retail can break the hardest spirits
runic hinge
I’m so glad I got out of food service
Ran havoc on my weak mental and addictive personality
slim hamlet
So like
The PTR has been out for 24+ hours and we don't have the BIS abilities list yet?
blazing jewel
@balmy condor WHAT ARE THE STAT PRIOS ASSUMING MY RAT TANK WONT LET ME RESTEALTH IN MY WEEKLY +8
slim hamlet
Same question but I do get on average 2 restealths, so if u can take that in mind too
grim jay
with or without reaching crit cap
blazing jewel
This is a great collective effort in getting this channel deleted
grim jay
changes for the class need to happen in the first place
scaling surely changes things !111!!1!1!
slim hamlet
Also does my puzzle box timing change when I get over 34% crit?
or should I just never go over 34?
shy pecan
You're a good buzzword
blazing jewel
yap yap yap
strange python
The one against rats
balmy condor
I can always rely on you guys to make the voices come back
strange python
If ur lucky u survive
grim jay
I can always rely on you guys to make the voices come back
we love you fam
no need to thank us
blazing jewel
I can always rely on you guys to make the voices come back
strange python
Oh no what happens when whisper and yapgodx enter the same room
strange python
I can always rely on you guys to make the voices come back
I hope you appreciate that the voices you hear are our voices
slim hamlet
I can always rely on you guys to make the voices come back
We are the voices
strange python
Time for a yap off 
shy pecan
Debatable
slim hamlet
I highly doubt
grim jay
shy pecan
/wa
slim hamlet
slim hamlet
I mean
shy pecan
proper tapir
or should I just never go over 34?
Never go above 34% crit, instead start dumping into haste/vers. At 34% crit and 16.7% haste you start using puzzle box while you pool at 0 CP to feed more energy into sang blades
runic hinge
Did he win?
blazing jewel
they had a tornado right behind the stack on drop 3 
was very monka to watch
hes just so ethical
balmy condor
Gratz sheep
woeful meteor
hes just so ethical
gilded oasis
<@167090536602140682> WHAT ARE THE STAT PRIOS ASSUMING MY RAT TANK WONT LET ME R...
hey +8 is gonna be omega hard ok
gilded oasis
keen spruce
just took 30 minutes of additional OT
on top of our 1hr of OT
and both rogues got the mount
keen spruce
gilded oasis
we did 3 hr of OT but didnt kill it OT night. We also only raided I think 45% of our scheduled raid hours this tier sooo
blazing jewel
this tier was so cursed with holidays
royal lantern
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
blazing jewel
my guild was below hours when we got fyrakk
slim hamlet
It's in our blood
gilded oasis
I didnt 
slim hamlet
Since Classic
shy pecan
Grats Shmeeps
slim hamlet
I didnt <:angrywoof:710197097034547261>
gilded oasis
true, i have cursed loot luck
slim hamlet
I used up all my luck for the next 10 years by getting nick of time first week in vault
gilded oasis
can I borrow it now the tier is over?
keen spruce
<@119274470241206273> is your character name supposed to be a wordplay on sneaky...
no it's just a nickname for shmeeps
gilded oasis
damn shoulda asked earlier
keen spruce
but my guild does have a copypasta for me when i sleep in late for raid
blazing jewel
meeps the boss blaster
slim hamlet
these lil guys
blazing jewel
i lost to our warrior and ret
for the damage that mattered you were at 176k for boss
thats pretty solid considering you have to send on intermission
keen spruce
these lil guys
bard meeps?
slim hamlet
What are people doing in wow right now. I kinda want to play it, but I cba doing endgame content because season almost over and leveling some alts feels wack now since pandaland is coming
glossy dust
i swear this KB window is tight
slim hamlet
wadduumean tight
glossy dust
i barely make 2 envenom to not break chain
slim hamlet
its not pillar of frost
gilded oasis
What are people doing in wow right now. I kinda want to play it, but I cba doing...
i login and collect achievement points and log out
slim hamlet
i barely make 2 envenom to not break chain
ehm
haste doesnt give faster gcds for rogue
glossy dust
like BARELY
gilded oasis
are you pooling before you start your KB window? jk I guess
slim hamlet
so that is a rotational issue
glossy dust
but uhm
gilded oasis
and starting it with envenom rolling
blazing jewel
I thought pooling before kb start was a loss
gilded oasis
oh idk
blazing jewel
and it was better to maintain env chains
blazing jewel
haste energy regen does nothing
glossy dust
well shit
slim hamlet
yea just have energy before going into KB
blazing jewel
haste makes your dots tick a little faster which should be more energy but its not as impactful as you think
shy pecan
Pretty sure Whispyr has yelled at multiple folks for saying to pool before KB
gilded oasis
i dont read idk
blazing jewel
nice
shy pecan
No u
glossy dust
haste makes your dots tick a little faster which should be more energy but its n...
ye true - does poison "tick" also? more haste also buffs KB more or is that not the case?
i mean it has to other stats dont go into KB right?
blazing jewel
in a way more haste does buff kb more
kb isnt hasted
so haste wont make it tick faster
glossy dust
ye but the poison applic
blazing jewel
but you will auto attack quicker
slim hamlet
more crit and more vers and more mastery also buffs kb
blazing jewel
if they made haste scale it both ways it would be more problematic than it already is
glossy dust
more crit and more vers and more mastery also buffs kb
how exactly
slim hamlet
and imagine it doesn't give partial ticks so there would actually be haste breakpoints
blazing jewel
when the rework was on ptr kb was like 45% of your st damage
slim hamlet
how exactly
mastery buffs directly, crit makes it crit, vers makes it do more
glossy dust
mastery buffs directly, crit makes it crit, vers makes it do more
hear me out - its somehow weird that it does no?
blazing jewel
no?
glossy dust
nvm
slim hamlet
glossy dust
no i had somenthing diffrent in mind
slim hamlet
blazing jewel
kb is pretty casino
blazing jewel
need ticks to crit and the last few ticks have much more of an impact than any of the others
glossy dust
is the crit cummulative?
30 from MA + lets say 20 from myself are effectively 50% chance to crit?
slim hamlet
yer
blazing jewel
for the most part
glossy dust
for the most part
?
blazing jewel
which doesnt really impact us right now but if you had a damage trinket or something
glossy dust
wdym by not global
blazing jewel
u did the "achthhuhahly" meme but without it being a meme
yes
glossy dust
every ability in that window has 30% more crit chance no?
slim hamlet
wdym by not global
extra action buttons and trinkets I would guess
confirm me yapgodx
blazing jewel
ya
glossy dust
so what is the chance whispyr bans me for @ him asking about crit cap?
slim hamlet
more than 50
glossy dust
gilded oasis
0
blazing jewel
there are 2 specs in the game that I can think of that have a stat breakpoint
blazing jewel
and we are not one of them lol
slim hamlet
there are 2 specs in the game that I can think of that have a stat breakpoint
both frosty bois
glossy dust
bro is trying to get him banned
ungodly
blazing jewel
both frosty bois
I was thinking frost dk and ele
slim hamlet
oh ele do too?
blazing jewel
ele has something with the ele blast build but idk why
shy pecan
Yeah, something about their mastery hard capping
blazing jewel
ah
shy pecan
for the shatter or whatever
"Soft cap"
slim hamlet
well yea
blazing jewel
either way
slim hamlet
it just decreases a lot after 33%
blazing jewel
all those specs the sim will tell you what to do
slim hamlet
but not useless
slim hamlet
yep
buoyant kettle
if i dont care about damage or anything and i just wanna kinda start playing rogue which of the specs is more friendly to a new rogue?
quaint hull
if i dont care about damage or anything and i just wanna kinda start playing rog...
non they are all difficult in different ways
sharp orchid
I feel like im doing something wrong, i see all these sin rogues pumping in single target but i cant do more than 130k sustained dps
balmy condor
press cooldowns correctly every minute
maintain the stuff that has a duration between those minutes
gg
violet jackal
if i dont care about damage or anything and i just wanna kinda start playing rog...
Out of the 3 assassination has been known as the boomer spec
balmy condor
that's cause it is
rotund oak
if i dont care about damage or anything and i just wanna kinda start playing rog...
If u wanna start playing in general,could start sin,its perfect for new rogues(and yes anyone that says you start outlaw is just wrong,its very fast paced and overwhelming for new rogues,sub is where the art of playing rogue is)
runic hinge
since when are spreadsheets art
balmy condor
since when are spreadsheets art
Your words hurt
runic hinge
Your words hurt
Sub is a spreadsheet spec. Assa is art and more flowing and seal fate and pandemic and variable dot timers make it feel much more fun to play. Spreadsheets are of course involved in theorycrafting but you don’t usually need one to tell you what to press when. Also I know you were mostly joking but I feel like I need to justify myself.
Maybe I should bring that up with my therapist
runic hinge
Okay
runic hinge
When did spells start doing a normalized amount of damage
runic hinge
We complain about rng now but imagine just doing less damage cause you low roll every cast too
runic hinge
Wow. That’s why I never rank 1
runic hinge
Don’t tell me what to do
vestal wren
Sub is a spreadsheet spec. Assa is art and more flowing and seal fate and pandem...
dust does add complexity but sub and sin both can be similarly planed around
dust is complex because cooldown design is, it would be a lot easier if flag and blades had similar cooldown lenghs
runic hinge
If flag and blades lined up I might try sub lol
Well I might try it more than hitting dummies. Assa feels very comfy
vestal wren
you can play dark brew(non dust), you would line things up always with it
royal lantern
dust is complex because cooldown design is, it would be a lot easier if flag and...
please
non-dust sub is allright, its just dust that make it feel so...bad 😦
but hey, maybe they do some change for it in the future, who knows
glossy dust
why does everone say that
dust only alters how and when u have cds🤷🏾♀️
the only gameplay change is id u want cds now or later
earnest remnant
shadowdust 
royal lantern
shadowdust <a:puke:1028407244787810365>
cant wait for the stealthi Trickster spreadsheet that shows you the perfect timings to use feint and vanish 
earnest remnant
yah wish
dark token
1 min flag that also gives 30 stacks of vers 
Give us the legendary in deahtstalker tree
It will also make kingsbane give stacks of haste per cp you spend
dark crag
flint siren
I couldn't find anything in the search, but is there some way to disable the button glow on Blindside procs?
I have an addon to hide regular button glows, but it really doesn't like to work with the ones where the original spell gets replaced. Adding Ambush and Mutilate to it hasn't worked at least.
It worked for Shadow by adding the spell IDs for Mindflay/Spike: Insanity, but as far as I can tell, the Blindside Ambush doesn't have a special spell ID that I could find. 
balmy condor
the blindside ambush id is a special spell id but it's a bit of a weird one
the blindside ambush is a container spell of 430023
which then links to 8676
which is the original ambush spell
blindside itself doesn't actually have any spell id attached to it
and the spell itself fully replaces mutilate in the tree
/cast mutilate as an example would cast the 430023 ambush if a blindside proc is active
idk how your addon works, but if you can suppress glows by spell id
you might want to try 1329 as well, since thats the mutilate spell id
flint siren
Oh that is wild yeah. Works like a charm with the addon now. 
Thank you so much!
balmy condor
np
flint siren
Glowy buttons make my brain wanna press them, which is not useful on random filler spells 
balmy condor
well
the good news is that you can't avoid pressing it anyway
while you have a blindside proc there is actually no physical way to use mutilate
so you're hard forced into casting the ambush
static glacier
1 min flag that also gives 30 stacks of vers <:Prayge:801202094845329448>
Brother 1 min flag would be unhinged beyond belief
flint siren
Oh ye, I do like that part of it. Just not it glowing as if it was something to use asap. 
static glacier
would be huuuuuuge
just consider that double vanish openers would legit have hard back to back flag
dark token
Or a node with 30s blades CD reduction
Also would be cool
But that's more boring compared to 1 min flag
dark token
just consider that double vanish openers would legit have hard back to back flag
60 stacks the dream
rotund oak
just consider that double vanish openers would legit have hard back to back flag
ild play sin all day
spice surge
The talents and classes are identical to dragonflight
manic quartz
i'm thinking of switching back to my beloved assa for s4
royal lantern
i'm thinking of switching back to my beloved assa for s4
clever sapphire
going onto the meme spec for the meme season
steel ridge
the more i look at frostfire mage talents, the more i cannot stop laughing about trickster, its unreal 😄
6 weeks since trickster 
slim hamlet
That just means that the real rogue spec had more time to cook
and we get the good ones
royal lantern
split jewel
Deathstalker gonna have us Cheap Shot, and Fatebound gonna have us use Slice and Dice rotationally
slim hamlet
Trickster is the coolest thematically one by name tho
sadge
Suprised they haven't announced they will rework that one like the oracle one tbh
spice surge
Ye but how do you make something trickstery in wow
Without it being magical like alter time
split jewel
pickpocket
slim hamlet
Pickpocket in retail 
split jewel
Pickpocket for Coins of Air lol
spice surge
Permanent tricks is like the best talent thematically
Dust fits well in there, but ig they didnt want that
slim hamlet
I hate those kind of talents in the hero talents
steel ridge
That just means that the real rogue spec had more time to cook
huge cope 😄
split jewel
the big utility/defensive talents should be in class tree
slim hamlet
so many good quality of life talents but they are hero talents so fuck whoever chooses the other one
defensive are fine imo
but the clearly quality of life ones seems weird being hero talents
royal lantern
but the clearly quality of life ones seems weird being hero talents
yep
when i saw oracle priest and the "when you give a teammate feathers, you gets the MS yourself!"
which is like
thats how feathers should work by default lol
slim hamlet
yea
I wonder how fatebound will fit assassination
seems like it will only fit outlaw
rotund oak
Without it being magical like alter time
thats the secret u cant,mage is even more rogue than the actual rogue
the class has literaly EVERYTHING
vestal wren
I wonder how fatebound will fit assassination
we will know once we see the tree
rotund oak
we will know once we see the tree
gonna poke u if i get a mail to join alpha
but kinda doubt ill get it
slim hamlet
unless you are an actual name, hoping for alpha has to be omega copium
slim hamlet
No the theme
royal lantern
(and please change the name jesus christ)
what theme
we didnt even saw the theme
we saw nothing yet
slim hamlet
I am a little scared it will be like the druid ones where it only fits one spec for each
The theme is fatebound
what do you mean
rotund oak
split jewel
RNGesus hero tree
slim hamlet
yea guessing its gambling stuff by the name
split jewel
bleed ticks have a change to randomly give RtB buffs
rotund oak
we dont know anything fam,you can sleep relaxed at night
royal lantern
people start with theme stuff when most trees have nothing to do with that lol
like
spellslinger = random proc dmg
everyone knew that right?
split jewel
Rider of the Apocalypse has the Horseman =x
royal lantern
deathbringer dk = mini kingsbane
royal lantern
Rider of the Apocalypse has the Horseman =x
im gonna laugh so hard when all the reddit bigbrains notice that the tree is the lamest thing ever lol
its litearlly just "you sometimes proc a pet"
slim hamlet
I am not talking about gameplay?
royal lantern
with a "mounted combat" gimmik that doesnt even work in most content
slim hamlet
Theme =/= gameplay
split jewel
best thing about that tree is the charger
split jewel
but thematically, its gonna look cool
royal lantern
cus it litearlly doesnt work outside of worldquests
royal lantern
Theme =/= gameplay
and again, we dont even have a theme yet lol
split jewel
some people just want the stuff to look cool while not hindering current gameplay
royal lantern
so idk why we should jump on that one, we have a name and thats it
slim hamlet
cus it litearlly doesnt work outside of worldquests
dungeons and pvp?
royal lantern
^
split jewel
fate = rng/chance
royal lantern
do people see fate and think "lol gamble lol" ?
spice surge
Not necessarily
slim hamlet
do people see fate and think "lol gamble lol" ?
what else would it possibly ever mean
for any of these specs
slim hamlet
yes
split jewel
deathstalker could be more burst, fatebound could be more execute through chance
spice surge
Or something thats rotating similar to old combat red/yellow/green
royal lantern
^ the tree will probably be manipulation of energy/cp by reducing the RNG stuff of them
with stuff like "when you do X, your next mutilate/sinsester will always proc blindside/pistol shot" or things like that
slim hamlet
So we are magical
royal lantern
all classes in wow are magical
rotund oak
fate = rng/chance
you are just guessing here man
royal lantern
mate, i also really dont like the entire hero tree concept cus its forcing some "fantasy" on us
but im complain when we actually know that there is stuff to complain about lol
rn complaining is just mindless dooming for no reason
slim hamlet
mate, i also really dont like the entire hero tree concept cus its forcing some ...
I have not complained u went so aggressively for me saying "I am scared it will be like druid and not fit assa since it seems more like outlaw by name" more or less
thats it
Very valid considering how druid and some other only fits 1 of the 2 specs
royal lantern
Were just gonna root ourselves to be bound <:ez:587982298104987648>
so its just collosus warrior tree, but with renamed abilitys
rotund oak
fatebound triggers a subconcious connection to seal fate
thats all i can relate fatebound to
slim hamlet
I am relaxed brother
I am saying I hope it wont be like this
That is literally all
clever sapphire
if you assume the worst, your dissappointment will be atleast somewhat better
digital venture
Guys. Back in the time I played retail parsing wasn't a thing so I'm not very knowledgeable about it. I have some 90% parses in some of the m+ I did but I feel like my overall wasn't 90% worthy. Is that a good indicator of performance?
royal lantern
m+ parses are the biggest meme in the game
cus they tell absolutely nothing at all
runic hinge
A lot of people done log m+ at all either
digital venture
Fair enough. What's a good overall damage for 20+ keys as assassination when your party is generally in the 485ish and you are 10ish ills below that?
royal lantern
again, thats not really something you can just say like that
cus m+ has 2000000000 IF's
tank pulling big when you have your cd's? overall will be big
tank pulls single packs? overall will be low
you have a ret paladin+DH in the group that evaporate add groups in 7 seconds? overall will be low
you have a mistake spec-voker in the group? overall will be REALLY high
and dungeon-to-dungeon is different aswell
digital venture
Your point is very valid since I do notice some classes evaporate adds in a sec while I just finished spreading bleeds... In that case how can I improve / know I'm doing good enough / where to improve.
eternal nymph
Log or record yourself and then analyze that
Can always get some help with log analysis here, but it depends on whether or not someone has the time/will for it
Especially m+ logs can be a bit annoying to sift through
But you can also do it yourself, just gotta get used to it.
split jewel
should they add our 4 pc somewhere into our tree?
royal lantern
ye
it encourages pooling with a gameplay component you can "grasp"
waaay better then Sanguine Blades in the "pool for more dmg" regard (cus wtf is that talent, its so bad desinged)
legit 1 of the worst talents in the entire game lol
spice surge
waaay better then Sanguine Blades in the "pool for more dmg" regard (cus wtf is ...
I was gonna write the complete opposite
Emphasizing envenom damage is boring, making dots better is way more interesting imo
vestal wren
+1 i would lvoe a bigger focus on dots
royal lantern
I was gonna write the complete opposite
i know what you mean
i would like more focus on dots aswell
BUT
not with a talent like sanguine blades
"do nothing and you do more dmg passive" is the lamest shit possible
and just horrible gameplay
shy pecan
I mean, sanguine blades was more for the AoE aspect to spend the energy, right?
royal lantern
"yeha i dont do anything cus it makes me do more dmg passive".....idk man
split jewel
my line of thinking was things that interact with Caustic Spatter (poison damage). Would rather see the 4pc stay than them just buffing the rest of our passive nature damage to compensate
spice surge
Tbf they dont need to do either
slim hamlet
I hope we get to keep the 4pc somehow
Spec seems kinda boring without it ngl, at least without any hero talents
slim hamlet
I guess
royal lantern
even makes sense in a naming scheme
slim hamlet
That would be a really damn powerful talent for not being capstone tho
subtle stream
How are S4 trinkets looking?
slim hamlet
Yea but it gotta be good enough to actually change the gameplay
slim hamlet
How are S4 trinkets looking?
Pin
subtle stream
Oof. Grab what you can get/vault is what I’m hearing
forest nacelle
who knows.
subtle stream
Fair enough
runic hinge
I'm getting grieftorch to top the meters on wipes
forest nacelle
same
subtle stream
Can we dinar it?
*awakened whatever
The dinar list looked pretty weak
At least they can upgrade to max
runic hinge
Can't you dinar any raid trinket or weapon?
subtle stream
There was a list posted. A lot wasn’t on there, but idk.
royal lantern
vestal wren
its TTK lol
most valuable bfa trait in the game?
royal lantern
most valuable bfa trait in the game?
@marble hemlock approves
vestal wren
i was joking, just to be clear
spice surge
most valuable bfa trait in the game?
Some classes can make really cool timewalking setups with their bfa traits rn, but pretty much all of the rogue ones are kinda stinky
Which is unfortunate (but obviously not a big problem)
forest nacelle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682965311787761725/1229129066041577542/am...
IM GOING TO PLAY THIS FOR REALS!
xD
vestal wren
Some classes can make really cool timewalking setups with their bfa traits rn, b...
EB was quite strong
is it bad in timewalking?
clever sapphire
royal lantern
lmao
first fyrakk kill CE mount
2nd fyrak kill the skin
the rogue mount drop luck is real
runic hinge
gIBE ME
clever sapphire
killing fyrakk twice lul, we are stuck at smolderon
marble hemlock
<@210784027752398848> approves
i mean its not really ttk tho
singletarget spells doing aoe damage/cleaving is boring, dont @ me
royal lantern
hey, that was just because you where the BIG ttk guy in early bfa
marble hemlock
thats cause it was really good
3 TTKs basically doubled your envenom damage
not at all what our 4pc does
balmy condor
And I said mustard is just ethnic mayonnaise that’s spicy
But we ain’t ready for that conversation
royal lantern
what
balmy condor
Isn’t B tier in the middle of tiers
vestal wren
japanese mayo is bis
rotund oak
(tzatziki sauce might transend god tier but u are not rdy for it)
royal lantern
why not both at once
rotund oak
why not both at once
thats the way 🤘
balmy condor
why not both at once
Cause im not a psychopath
royal lantern
Isn’t B tier in the middle of tiers
everything under A is bad, you know it
past forum
killing fyrakk twice lul, we are stuck at smolderon <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706...
My guild got 2 pulls in a row that would have been a kill with no stupid deaths, then regression raiding procced and we haven’t gotten past 2nd intermission since.
balmy condor
everything under A is bad, you know it
True
Everything under S is bad
That’s why the meta is S and SS and SSS
royal lantern
fact
vestal wren
why not both at once
you say both, let me remind you of this:
past forum
Everything under S+ tier you should actually delete yourself for even considering
rotund oak
you say both, let me remind you of this:
balmy condor
And we just slapped an S on top
And then people just made shit up
SS
As if there aren’t just more letters you could use
past forum
Japan is why
vestal wren
because people wanted to express something thats above A
past forum
Shu, or exemplary
vestal wren
<:WTFF:889032060944130089>
its katchup mayo mix
vestal wren
Super shu?
special or super usually
past forum
Fuggn gottem