assassination

[glossy dust]

Oh is that possibly because of deathmark duplicate? THe dmg wares off after deathmark tho correct?

[split jewel]

You Garrote after the Vanish just to refresh your Improved Garrote.

[glossy dust]

for aoe too?

because this is (for me atleast) slightly confusing - assuming point 17 is just having garotte on all adds that will live long enough and its outside KB window

[runic hinge]

For aoe it’s good to garrote for iron wire when you can

It’s dr and silence

[split jewel]

lots of good benefits over a ST ambush/mutilate GCD

[glossy dust]

so there im just solely pressing it for dr and silence? Because at this point id assume everything is pretty much garotted

unless its a crazy big pull

so i should preffer to garotte over ambush/mutilate and only use it to refresh spatter?

[runic hinge]

And to refresh imp garrote as well

[glossy dust]

i see so im spending alot of my time just doting and then fan of knives envenom on the spatter target?

*outside of KB windows

[split jewel]

pretty much

[glossy dust]

Do you use Vanish/dance for your KB windows or to spread improved garrotes?

well actually nevermind

u kinda use dance vanish to spread garrotes in KB window anyway if i understood correctly

[runic hinge]

I have kb macroed to dance but a lot of times I’m just using dance to spread garrotes if I don’t get a restelath. Vanish is almost always for spreading bleeds unless it happens to line up on a boss

[split jewel]

Pretty much that

[glossy dust]

i see so you vanish to spread i-garottes and if it lines u use it otherwhise the part at 3sec is w.e? and thats not a big loss with MA?

[runic hinge]

In mythic+ your garrote is gonna be a lot of your damage. Especially starting out. Getting bleeds out is important. As things live longer and you can reliably kingsbane something and have it live full duration you might care more about cd windows lining up. Especially if you’re doing big coordinated pulls

But when you’re doing anything under a 20 nothing is gonna live kingsbane so trying to juice it to full won’t be reliable

Better to use your dance and vanish to utilize IC

[glossy dust]

Well i do plan to do some higher keys but will probably practice in some 20s

Thats some great advice tho will do thank you very much

[runic hinge]

Even higher keys stuff doesn’t always live kb

Especially on tyr weeks

[glossy dust]

Cool then ill freely use vanish/dance for spreading bleeds isntead for KB windows

ill just skip em then

[split jewel]

And if you run Sudden Demise, it definitely won't survive with Death Mark up

[glossy dust]

this will be fun learning somenthing new

[runic hinge]

I still have kb and dance macro’ed because those are important to line up on bosses but I don’t always focus the kingsbane target like I would. It depends on if I think it will live long enough and if spatter or bleeds are gonna do more damage

[split jewel]

Assassin is fun to learn with all it's little nuances

[runic hinge]

Assa in mythic plus is super fun

[glossy dust]

does Dance proc nightstalker i dont even know rn i know vanish does

[runic hinge]

Yes. Dance does

[glossy dust]

it does

huh weird

[runic hinge]

It also allows you to improved garrote as well

[glossy dust]

intuitivily i wouldve said thats kinda important for the KB window

wait

does that even matter for kb?

[split jewel]

it does

[glossy dust]

only because of MA?

[split jewel]

also gives MA, but the main reason you also use Vanish is because KB damage is at the end

[runic hinge]

It’s 10% damage to cast kb in dance

[glossy dust]

y i understand because of vanish

[runic hinge]

It snapshots nightstalker for the whole duration

[glossy dust]

but if dance does the same as with sub which is not "real" stealth

then u dont get MA with dance?

[runic hinge]

You do get ma during dance but ma doesn’t snapshot

[glossy dust]

so you dance to spread i garottes and that KB ticks have a higher chance of critting?

And for nightstalker?

[runic hinge]

You dance for night stalker and to be able to improved garrote

Sometimes I crimson tempest in dance as well because 10% on a dot that’s hitting every mob can get good as well

[glossy dust]

ngl this is as confusing as sub

this gone be fun - thank you for all the advice

[runic hinge]

Has anyone linked you any Whispyr YouTube videos?

[split jewel]

yeah, SD doesnt have the same feel for Assassin as it does for Sub. But I usually just Macro to KB

[glossy dust]

dont think so

[runic hinge]

https://youtu.be/st6UJOP5Ok4?si=A7i9OyhLQCOeyke8

[glossy dust]

oh i actually think i saw some of his videos - his cd's video and how to move was really good

[runic hinge]

Those are a great starting point

[split jewel]

he's the guy that you ask for sims

[runic hinge]

Just realized he put a s4 video out yesterday

[glossy dust]

hes not unknown to me dw ^^ ill prob get the KB window sat on dummies and then see how it goes from there

[split jewel]

his restealth video is very good as well

[runic hinge]

Yeah. First things first is get your cd window down

[glossy dust]

ill check it

tbh i didnt get to many resteahls with sub because tanks cba so

[runic hinge]

One of my guilds tanks I swear doesn’t let me stealth on purpose

[glossy dust]

nice is that rotation doesnt change so s4 is a good pracitice spot

[glossy dust]

ye on sub its not even thaaat bad but for sin id imagine is like stupid?

[glossy dust]

yo that video is 33min long wdym

[runic hinge]

I mean I just use dance and vanish and I’m a nelf so I make due

[balmy condor]

the first recording was an hour

[glossy dust]

his title does say NOT important

[glossy dust]

how the hell are u talking an hour about restealths

[split jewel]

mention restealth in disc and Whispyr appears

[balmy condor]

because people have wormed it into their brains that you have to restealth to do damage over the last 10 years

I'm fighting a decades worth of misinformation in 30 minutes

[storm forum]

We could talk about restealths for days here

[glossy dust]

he saw a newbie and came to attack

[gilded oasis]

love me a meaty restealth

[split jewel]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[split jewel]

didn't know that was a command

[glossy dust]

4.6&% is everything i read

also

[balmy condor]

funniest part is that I had 30 minutes of dense info backing up all the math

and people still don't fucking believe it

[glossy dust]

first comment

[balmy condor]

actually unreal

[split jewel]

that's the misinformation we really have to spread

[balmy condor]

there is only one thing I want my legacy to be

[glossy dust]

blaming tanks for lower overall

[balmy condor]

if I do only one thing in my time here

it's that we finally move on from restealths in m+

[spice spire]

Sorry ur legacy is catboy

[gilded oasis]

meow

[spice spire]

Not again

[split jewel]

only thing that makes me cry is losing restealths as Outlaw

[balmy condor]

it matters more for them than it does for us

[runic hinge]

[glossy dust]

hm the comment says otherwhise tho no?

im joking dont ban me

[shy pecan]

We talking restealths?

Could we make it a rule that if someone talks restealths, MakeItQuack has to meow?

[glossy dust]

ah ye - for spreading improved garottes ill idealy still target swap right? or does it not matter as much?

[runic hinge]

Depends on number of targets

[glossy dust]

so im assuming more than 3 yes?

[balmy condor]

not if it's 4 or 5

but then yes if it's 6

and then yes once, no once for 7,8

and then yes for 9

and anything above 9

[glossy dust]

what

[balmy condor]

you get 1 garrote cast + 2 free carnage garrote

[glossy dust]

why the hell is it no for 7,8

[balmy condor]

the carnage garrotes always hit things that don't have garrote if possible

so if you have 7 targets

you have to garrote 3 times

[glossy dust]

on the same target

[balmy condor]

so you cast a garrote, hits 3

[glossy dust]

nvm neverless

[balmy condor]

if you hit the same target, it's 2

then again the same target it's 2

3+2+2 is 7

with 8 you gotta swap once so you get 3+3+2

with 9 you gotta swap every cast so it's 3+3+3

[glossy dust]

sounds logical

i aint gona do that tho

but sounds good

[balmy condor]

yeh, most people dont

[glossy dust]

that is a optimazation for whenever

so on sub cds are super improtant

i asume its the same for sin?

[balmy condor]

sometimes more sometimes less depending on the build

but kingsbane is a very large majority of your caustic damage

so generally yeah

[glossy dust]

especially bcs i can just use the window to garotte? as long as i follow shiv/vanis/tee timers for the kb window

[balmy condor]

well the garrotes aren't really cds

bleeds just happen

but kingsbane is the main thing

if its allowed to tick, that's where the burst is

[glossy dust]

so

idk we talked about this bevor dunno if u follwed but

imprvoed garotes that snapshotted nightstalker seem to carry alot of the aoe dmg

and in the aoe opener theres quiet some garottes in it

[balmy condor]

idk if it's "a lot"

but yeh, a decent chunk

[glossy dust]

do i focus on spreading or

from what i remember the kb window is fairly tight

with holding envenom debuff up and

[balmy condor]

that's the balancing act you gotta do

[glossy dust]

being on time with everything

[balmy condor]

you can choose to spread or you can choose to focus on kb

[glossy dust]

i see

man those are gona be some godfearing low overalls its gone be so fun

ty for all the advice as usual

[balmy condor]

np

[glossy dust]

i asume aslo spatter is for anything 2+ enemies so council fight for instance?

[balmy condor]

ye

[glossy dust]

instead of i think it was internal bleeding

cool ty

[dark token]

Depends I wouldn't use it on places like fyrakk or kurog if the adds are not important

[glossy dust]

ye but i tought about gnal, tindral

cant be a rogue and play ethical

[glossy dust]

man these tanks are losing me 4.6% dmg thats crazy

[shy pecan]

@balmy condor Question

[balmy condor]

that's a statement

[shy pecan]

Damn, you got me

Anyway, love you kbai

[balmy condor]

[shy pecan]

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor statement

[balmy condor]

[split jewel]

sims

[balmy condor]

[split jewel]

[balmy condor]

if I could hit filter I would

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/peaches-the-dog-damian-walter-hitting-gif-16355532

[split jewel]

Mists Remix sims when

[blazing jewel]

Can we make this the response when anyone does !stats

[split jewel]

I like the "sim yo self" gif for !stats

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[shy pecan]

Really need that dog hitting the pot

[blazing jewel]

I’ll be the pot you be the dog

[balmy condor]

I got that dog in me

[blazing jewel]

[ember mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1014354006270808144/1171214985662320641/giphy.gif?ex=655bddf4&is=654968f4&hm=d4121dd26a4e749b72dbef5c7519330a060773df1f0730cc3f992bd424c02c8f&

[shy pecan]

Deal

[glossy dust]

can someone tell me how i can change the wa buff to tick diffrently? Id want it to tick from 6sec down in .1 steps

to like get the windows better

[blazing jewel]

What wa?

[glossy dust]

Its a general WA that has KB pop up with a timer ticking down while its active

idealy id want it to go 13-6 in 1sek steps and then show me in .1 steps

[blazing jewel]

You don’t really need to be that precise with that

Kb isn’t hasted and ticks every 2s

So you have 1.9s between each tick to hit the required global

[glossy dust]

every 2sek not every sek?

[blazing jewel]

Every two

[glossy dust]

so i can press on 5sek and still hit the window?

or rather the moment i see 6?

and 3 then

[blazing jewel]

Example being vanish at the end right

Vanish lasts 3s so it can at max cover 2 ticks

So if you vanish anywhere from 2.9s to 2.01s left remaining on kb it doesn’t matter

You will still get the crit % on both of those ticks

[amber fossil]

for M Nym, if we are using Acrobatic strikes, what do we replace to get it?

[balmy condor]

acro+double lethality instead of deeper and double alacrity

[amber fossil]

ty ty

[runic hinge]

Careful someone doesn’t show up and say “just play sub” as if that was the question

[amber fossil]

we finish at 4 without deeper?

[runic hinge]

4+ yeah

[dark token]

Just play sub/law is the correct answer since they get acro for free

Why gimp sin even more by taking acro

Already zdps

[blazing jewel]

Yes extreme Nymue dps check

[dark token]

Bottom of meter pov is never fun

[fallow canopy]

just turn your details upside down

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Blud is yapping

[runic hinge]

I don’t even have to open those messages to know what it says

[blazing jewel]

????

[runic hinge]

I’m done drinking. I’m never yapping again

[blazing jewel]

Whisper into Stu’s ear and have him yap for you

[balmy condor]

asks assassination question

WELL ACTUALLY IF YOU LOOK AT MYTHIC 1285% PERCENTILE YOU WOULD SEE THAT SUB IS FIVE WHOLE PERCENT AHEAD UNPLAYABLE WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SPEAK IN THIS CHANNEL GO PLAY SUB BOZO WHAT AN IDIOT EVEN WANTING TO PLAY A SPEC LMAO

[dark token]

Ye but if you take acro it's 8% ahead

[balmy condor]

1 blocked message

it's actually too easy

[dark token]

That's over 50% more ahead

Than it was

[runic hinge]

Trying to get him to say SHEEEESH. He hasn’t picked it up yet but he’s done a dance when I say it now

He was an absolute terror last night and this morning tho

Non-stop sneak attacks on my slippers

[dark token]

Real mature behavior from a mod tbh

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-blocked-superiority-complex-thanos-gif-22859838

[blazing jewel]

I’ve found mochi talks to me differently than he talks to my mom

[bronze pike]

im sorry whispy

i had to do it

[balmy condor]

my gf's parrot doesn't talk

it's understandable

[gilded oasis]

is that a euphemism

[balmy condor]

no it's just sad

I wish he talked

[spice spire]

Dog?

[bronze pike]

he has to find his voice

[spice spire]

Send parrot pics

[runic hinge]

I’m not at home

Lemme see if I got something I haven’t sent saved

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/woof-woof-charles-boyle-brooklyn-nine-nine-acting-like-a-dog-mimic-dog-gif-22899668

[spice spire]

I worry for you Zar

[gilded oasis]

me2

they gonna make us go into the office 2 days a week now

[spice spire]

What the fuck

Can u do ur job remote

[gilded oasis]

yes

[spice spire]

Then why the fuck

[gilded oasis]

cause it "...benefits of in-office collaboration, cohesion, communication, and better opportunities for mentorship"

cause they like asses in seats even tho when people were in office they just talked all day. I used to take 2 hr walks I surely dont do that right now

actually maybe going back into office will be good for me lol

[spice spire]

True didn’t you say you needed to work out

[gilded oasis]

yeah

I got a cruise to look good on

I mean its to Alaska so maybe ill just be in jackets the whole time.

[runic hinge]

I only found a couple videos of Stu being a weirdo so for his own self confidence I will keep them private at this time

[gilded oasis]

we dont judge stu here we love him

[spice spire]

Don’t be a wuss. Bathing suit in negative degree weather or no balls

[gilded oasis]

it says itll be like avg of 72ish but with wind and middle of the ocean thats still kinda cold

[spice spire]

Nah

[storm forum]

man this acro shit on fyrakk

actually kinda good

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/gattuso-sometimes-maybe-good-sometimes-maybe-shit-gattuso-sometimes-maybe-good-sometimes-maybe-shit-gif-25773176

[runic hinge]

I don’t think I’m speccing outta acro for the rest of the expansion tbh. Feels very comfy

[keen spruce]

I dn't really see the point on fyrakk

you only have to get off the boss a little in p2 during fire storms if the blazes are sketch and I don't think acro would save you there

and he has like an infinite hitbox in p3

[storm forum]

It's nice on pull

nice while chasing boss during push back

nice in p2

[keen spruce]

p1 don't matter tho

[storm forum]

ok the chasing boss during winds is sus

cause i got used to doing it

[keen spruce]

ig in p2 it's kinda handy

[storm forum]

p1 matter

cause we suck lmao

[keen spruce]

how suck

are we talkin

[storm forum]

barely pushing sometimes

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

we dont know why, but sometimes we push almost early

and sometimes we just

gotta do an extra set of soaks

for no reason

[keen spruce]

u mean like

after this set?

[storm forum]

the middle set

[keen spruce]

we're pretty consistently phasing right after the firestorms at 2:20

well during

[storm forum]

we sometimes push before the 4 set on the left

by the roots

during it*

[keen spruce]

why so inconsistent

[storm forum]

idk

[keen spruce]

deadge people?

[storm forum]

i blame the casino specs

im talking about 0 dead

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[keen spruce]

idk ours feels like

100% of pulls

phasing same time

if no one dead

like hit's 70% during the cast of the firestorm puddles

and we milk another 1.5-2.5%

before he flies away

then we lose a seed 5 minutes later and start over

[gilded oasis]

wanna lose my seed?

[storm forum]

we havent gotten to p3 yet

we got close

but some real dumb ways

we lost small spirits

[runic hinge]

I swear people just can’t turn their camera to see what their blaze is gonna hit

[gilded oasis]

lol

[runic hinge]

I’m just yelling “watch your blazes” over and over as a whole group of spirits gets turned

[keen spruce]

I'm waiting for one of our 3 priests

to start gripping blind people

to get their blazes away

[gilded oasis]

I may have blown up a few of our raiders but I never hit an add

I dont think

Oh wait there was a tree one time early prog

[keen spruce]

early days shit happens

but like

450 pulls in

plz stop

i beg

[woeful meteor]

summoning the second scariest gnarlroot of the patch

NR 1 is roaming everbloom

[keen spruce]

turning a tree actually ain't that bad

u just ignore it and it'll get cleaved down eventually lol

we almost took one into p3

[outer lodge]

Got CE last night on our last raid night of the tier 🙏

[keen spruce]

[woeful meteor]

I have to clue about the health values post nerfs when I progged it gnarlroot was a wipe like 100% and cant recall getting one in farm

[woeful meteor]

gz

[keen spruce]

just one tree is fine now

if you don't turn any small guys

[woeful meteor]

summon him for pad

[keen spruce]

we had a .3% wipe

cuz we had to kill the tree

and lost some boss damage

[woeful meteor]

he dies tomorrow

[outer lodge]

100%

[keen spruce]

should die

this weekend

[gilded oasis]

same

[keen spruce]

yeah on that pull tree had 11m hp left

when fyrakk flew away kek

the other .3% wipe we phased him like 2% lower

but ig seed exploded 2% earlier

[runic hinge]

Just kill it

[storm forum]

we're trying

[runic hinge]

I’ll go stand in the raid and cheer you on

From /1

When is your raid time

[keen spruce]

maybe

i join guild disc on phone

and i stream in here

this weekend

[runic hinge]

Don’t you have a twitch

[keen spruce]

ye

but then anyone could come watch

[gilded oasis]

lol

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

lol anyone in here could come watch too

[keen spruce]

yeah but anyone in here is mostly rogues

[runic hinge]

There’s like 45k people in here

[keen spruce]

trusty melee players

[gilded oasis]

yeah and 6 people look in here

[keen spruce]

not the untrustworthy far away players

[runic hinge]

You can’t trust all of them

[storm forum]

if my pc was less shit

id stream

[runic hinge]

My internet isn’t good enough. Damn Elon.

Well it’s good enough for discord but not twitch. But even discord gets wonky

[storm forum]

WERE FUCKING DOOMED

[spice spire]

Utopia is when lanille streams

[spice spire]

132k but close

[storm forum]

AHHHH

casino specs

[runic hinge]

Maybe it was online last time I looked

Idk

Can you @ everyone for me

[spice spire]

No

[shy pecan]

[glossy dust]

that might be the case but i only see 3 or 2 on my WA thats why i wanted to change

[fallow canopy]

dobby is a free elf

[runic hinge]

Congrats!

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

[quiet oar]

oh almost 1K CE Guilds @royal lantern Its happening

[rotund oak]

[royal lantern]

2 weeks before next "tier" btw

[royal lantern]

gz

[blazing jewel]

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

You’re so hot

[vestal wren]

congrats

[rotund oak]

im trying to plot a scheme to taunt whispyr into the trinket madness but he has pins n stuff 😦

what about sub

after the trinket nerfs,anything changes?

[vestal wren]

its ashes/torch mostly

[grim jay]

Coins, here we come

Ring and torch prolly better to be bought with them

Considering the amount of drops that tier

[balmy condor]

ashes/torch for assa probably too tbh

considering icon got cut in half

I would update the pin

but I have a significant amount of alchol in my body

so

probably tomorrow

[vestal wren]

torch def. is rly nice, it is even by default rly close to the best options

[grim jay]

Progress value prolly pretty good again, I know my goofers, they all need some time to remember the mechanics

[vestal wren]

its not only progress

even tho it lost the off gcd capability

torch got buffed, and beeing fairly close in value is enough to always make it a valid option

[trail tree]

Double on use

[rare jackal]

sub too?

[vestal wren]

yes

[slim hamlet]

We have learned that, that is the best time for you to write pins tho

[distant ridge]

drinking to forget about assa damage

[slim hamlet]

at least it is not guzzler + puzzlebox

double channel

[trail tree]

massive true

[slim hamlet]

idk if double on use or branch + a channel would be more despair for most people

[royal lantern]

allright, hear me out

branch+puzzlebox

and you use branch and delay the orbs for max time and use box at the end

[dark token]

[spice surge]

Branch puts other trinkets on a 30s cd

So thats not possible

Dont know if they made puzzlebox also incurr a 30s cd or if its still 20s

[spice spire]

Blud is yapping

[royal lantern]

how long do the orbs stay/the buff stay

[spice surge]

20s

+10s buff

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-cat-crying-cat-cry-why-gif-27571714

[spice surge]

Because what you just talked about is what people tried to do on ptr as sub

With ashes+branch

[royal lantern]

[spice surge]

But its turbo cringe, so blizzard removed it

[royal lantern]

degenerates think alike

[slim hamlet]

2 quadrillion mastery

[royal lantern]

@soft shale Approves

[rotund oak]

the question is why did u drink

[slim hamlet]

we asked him for bis list for pandaland remix

[spice spire]

Real

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/back-of-house-mohegan-sun-backofhousetv-confused-directions-gif-18269095

points vaguely at everything

[gusty mirage]

Tru

[storm forum]

Do we do anything special for p3 Fyrakk? Besides like saving CDs for hero?

[marble hemlock]

depends on the final kill timer and stuff

if you hold for lust after first roar, you might only get 1 use of CDs in p3 if you have good raid DPS

so it might be better to use at the start of p3 and then one more time at the end, to get 2 uses instead of 1

[dark token]

If you are lusting In p2/p3 you probably won't have 2 sets of CDs even if you use right at the start

Only with p1 lust was I able to get 2 P3 CDs after the nerf

I guess it's possible if people die or raid DPS is low

[clever sapphire]

well i had 2 sets

9:18 kill time

but i guess we did have kinda meh dps

[keen spruce]

i landed a plane today

well

i bounced it off the runway and it eventually stopped

but still counts

[clever sapphire]

everyone lived

thats all that counts

[runic hinge]

Any landing where you can take off again is successful

[royal lantern]

are you sure

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rollypolly-cat-love-in-kiss-gif-22827687

[spice surge]

Pilotarc goes hard

[clever sapphire]

everyone important lived

[blazing jewel]

Dude is trying to be a duck irl

[shy pecan]

Was it a small plane?

[keen spruce]

Ye

[shy pecan]

Nice

[keen spruce]

Tiny cesna

[shy pecan]

I took one flying lesson and landing that shit was hard

So huge props

[keen spruce]

I’m at like 10 hours I think? Ish? Stage one of private license almost done. Only like

700 more stages and ratings and hours

Then I can make a living

[shy pecan]

Yeah, sounds right

[keen spruce]

Maybe I stream next lesson

Gotta go find tripod for phone

[shy pecan]

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but you live in an area that giant pythons eat crocs,also giant groupers eat sharks

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-duck-fly-gif-8323075

shmeeps flying lessons

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

I wonder if you can play WoW on plane wifi

[glossy dust]

How does sin behave with cd's? Does holding cd's hurt much? Can i do half and half (somenthing like send smold on pull dance+DM and KB and then intermission everything)?

[ebon notch]

Doesn’t it cost like $150k to get certified

In total

[keen spruce]

closer to half of that

but it can vary

[glossy dust]

Damn you got motion like that

[balmy condor]

Holding cooldowns on any spec is only ever bad if you’re losing subsequent casts because of it, but assassination being a burst spec means that splitting your cooldowns is a pretty awful idea since you’re removing a multiplier from your main burst and putting it on a weaker burst. +50% on 500k is a lot better than +50% on 150k type of deal.

For mythic smold specifically it’s better to send everything on cooldown, and you’ll have full burst for 3rd intermission with lust. If you play for the intermission by holding cds for them, you end up missing a bunch of casts that perfectly cancels out the damage you gained. The downfall of holding on smold though is that you end up forcing yourself to use some cooldowns on intermission 2/4 which are the ring layouts that force you off the boss, where as sending on cooldown avoids those bad intermissions. There was tech at the very start of the season with double Aug where the natural timing of augmentation buffs would then be worth holding for again in order to boost the overall raid damage through that, but after assassination nerfs that’s both uncommon to find and not worth it

[glossy dust]

Thats intresting tho so sub can only hold / do half and half because of dust - every other spec is basicaly send when it comes up?

[balmy condor]

Shadowdust allows sub to have something for every intermission

Outlaw is just “slam on cooldown: the spec”

[glossy dust]

Crazy i tought i could do the same with sin

for instance i have 1 on use on sub and actually hold that trinket for intermission for instance

[balmy condor]

Assassination would on paper want to hold for stuff like smold intermissions, but the timing between intermissions just causes too many lost casts

[glossy dust]

but tbf as sub i can also get ALL cd's

so full blades/flag window

[balmy condor]

For every intermission with 100% damage increase where you held cooldowns, you end up losing a cast

[glossy dust]

And thats still worse than the 100% dmg amp?

[balmy condor]

So you get 1 cast worth 2 casts, at the cost of -1 casts

Which just cancels out

[glossy dust]

I mean ye does make sense

[spice surge]

To have everything for every intermission

[glossy dust]

well probably more like 1.5 casts rather than 2 casts

[balmy condor]

Yeah yeah

[glossy dust]

i do have everything with sub like eleem said

[spice surge]

But ye same point

[balmy condor]

No, it is legit 2:1

[glossy dust]

idk holding trinket felt worth it on smold

[glossy dust]

oh no did you get the logs out again like the restealth videos

[balmy condor]

Ive done this convo like 35 times

Let me see if I can find one where I did the timings

[glossy dust]

Tbf that makes sin easier to play so

cant say no to that

So basically the only time youd hold is when boss fucks off? How long was KB window again?

14 sec

its a bit shorter than the double dance flag/blades

thats nice

[balmy condor]

This was a holding cd set when I did custom sims for smold

That’ll do

[glossy dust]

ohhh

[blazing jewel]

[glossy dust]

deathmark is 2min

i forgott

ye half and half will not do

i for some reason tought its 1 min so you could just hold vanish

ye my bad actually small cd's is KB + dance

[balmy condor]

And so you get dm intermission 1 and 3, and then a dm at the end if it’s slow, for a total of 4 (two in a 100% damage amp, so the value of 4)

And if you dm on cooldown, its pull, between intermissions, and 3, with the dm at the end if it’s slow

And that’s 1,2,intermission

Which is 1+1+2 which is again 4 casts worth of value

[glossy dust]

you lost 3 tho no?

pull 2.50 and 6:10

[balmy condor]

That’s the hold, intermission 3 is 4:30

That was double cdr as well

But doesn’t matter

Shits jank

[glossy dust]

i cant quite follow but

[balmy condor]

Point is, you’re losing casts

[glossy dust]

[balmy condor]

Paladin shit dw

Wrong screenshot

Bad example

[glossy dust]

what

paladin shit?

[balmy condor]

Blessings give cooldown reduction

[glossy dust]

i mean i dont like rets either but

i never noticed cdr from a paladin tbh

[balmy condor]

That’s cause they’re not putting it on you

[glossy dust]

do i have as sin to beg now for pi or

do i get it naturaly

[glossy dust]

what is it called exactly?

[balmy condor]

Depends how many priests you got and how much of a bitch the unholy dk/bm hunters are

[balmy condor]

Blessing of autumn I think

Might be summer

[glossy dust]

summer was somenthing with dmg i checked

[balmy condor]

Probably autumn then

[glossy dust]

ye 30%

damn i didnt even know that existed

[balmy condor]

It’s a very niche and very awkward thing to optimize for

But race to world first guilds, what can you do

[blazing jewel]

Was pretty important on fyrakk prog tbh

Autumn on the blood dk so he can gorefiends both sets of smallies

[balmy condor]

Yeh

That’s the one this tier that was big I think

[glossy dust]

well had wft for the first times in weeks

felt great

its like a drug now

but dont see to many enhance players tbh kinda whack

[balmy condor]

I just trust that windfury gets put down and that my pi macro works

I can’t notice it when I’m actually playing

Only when I log dive after

[glossy dust]

your pi macro?

[balmy condor]

Yeah like to whisper the priest with their weakaura or whatever

[glossy dust]

wait so youre whispering mid fight the priest "give me pi now"?

[balmy condor]

Yeah and then it pops up an icon on their screen cause of their weakaura and they press their pi button which is macro’d to target me and everything is groovy

That’s how most pi’s work

How does your guild do it

[glossy dust]

guild? im a pug andy

[balmy condor]

Oh well there’s your problem

[glossy dust]

had to ask the aug to buff me

he did it tho

[balmy condor]

Wait so that entire convo about smold earlier was for heroic?

[glossy dust]

ye?

mad?

im joking

[balmy condor]

forget everything I said

[glossy dust]

it was a general question as to how i would handle cd's

smold was more of a example because i know what to do with sub

[balmy condor]

Yeah on heroic you’d lose less casts cause the fights shorter

So holding on heroic would make sense again

[glossy dust]

shorter? i think u kill smold faster in mythinc than a pug in heroic

my man does not know the way of the pug

[balmy condor]

Idk, we get to the enrage sometimes

[glossy dust]

nvm then

how nice would mythic pugging be

[balmy condor]

Don’t underestimate the power of bringing 3 trials into a fight

[glossy dust]

is that allready danger level

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

I mean if they die 45 seconds into the fight

And you gotta do 7 minutes of smold with 17 people

Yeh

Gets rough

[glossy dust]

i mean then theyre just bad

or probably nervous

[balmy condor]

That’s why they’re trials, and not raiders

[glossy dust]

most likely nervous

[balmy condor]

:3

[glossy dust]

man trialing for guilds is gona be fun

[blazing jewel]

When our prog tindral was r1 speed and then the second kill was almost the slowest kill recorded

[balmy condor]

When we go into heroic for legendary axe chance and bang out a rank 1 speed heroic fyrakk but then proceed to wipe to the enrage on mythic smold 15 minutes later

[blazing jewel]

When we killed mythic fyrakk the only person in our raid to get the axe was our Hpal

That was great

[gilded oasis]

I hate trialing I get so nervous

f

[balmy condor]

I wonder if we still have rank 1 speed

SIX SECONDS

dude

that's so rude

[glossy dust]

how do i even get to trial for a guild that isnt stuck on heroic - arent expectations crazy high with experience?

[shy pecan]

Just gotta play like you’re not trialing

[balmy condor]

you get into a guild that's like 4 bosses in

[shy pecan]

And have that mindset

[balmy condor]

and then climb your way up

be good in that 4 or 5 boss mythic guild

get into a guild that's struggling to get CE

use that to then get into a guild that clears CE

[blazing jewel]

Okay locking in outlaw

[balmy condor]

perform well there

etc etc

[glossy dust]

why does this sound like a 5 year plan

[balmy condor]

it's like an expansion plan

[blazing jewel]

It’s not

[shy pecan]

Your carpel tunnel, not mine

[balmy condor]

we've accepted trials that were 4/9 Mythic before

but you gotta be real good

[glossy dust]

doesnt sound to bad - guess s4 to practice and then new xpac hopefully with a 4/9 guild

[woeful meteor]

it's a one patch plan

[blazing jewel]

You can jump a lot of wr really fast if that’s your goal

[woeful meteor]

or I guess one and a half

[balmy condor]

yeh if you're cranking it out with the goal to jump up in ranks you can hop a lot

[shy pecan]

I went from like heroic to 3/9 pugger to like 10/12 M in BFA in two patches

[glossy dust]

wr?

[blazing jewel]

I went from 5/X in sepulcher to us 16 in a couple tiers

[blazing jewel]

World ranking

[glossy dust]

oh

[woeful meteor]

just join a random 5/9 m guild end of patch when they take anyone and you can go to CE next tier from there

[woeful meteor]

not everyone is as good as yapgodx tho

[glossy dust]

well the plan is basically to if im going to put in effort i want to be clearing the highest tier

for me its not understandable how you can struggle with heroic end of tier

[shy pecan]

Yeah Scana, we aren’t as talented as you

And plebskitten

[glossy dust]

that being said mythic is obv a diffrent lvl we will see

[blazing jewel]

I was pretty dogshit when I was playing in sepulcher lol

[woeful meteor]

plebskitten could clear us 10 tho

[shy pecan]

TRUE

[glossy dust]

[woeful meteor]

on the other hand

[blazing jewel]

I feel if you are willing to learn a rotation properly and can commit 3-4 days hof is very obtainable for most players

[blazing jewel]

?

[woeful meteor]

spec dif

[balmy condor]

dudes getting a lot of mileage out of gromnak

[spice surge]

Milking him for content?

[blazing jewel]

Yes

[glossy dust]

super high parses i noticed arent even that common - here and there i get people into m+ / raids and theyre blue/purple

[balmy condor]

scana just out here milking that man

[glossy dust]

which is obv good enough

[blazing jewel]

Id milk him

[shy pecan]

[spice surge]

Theres also a bunch of people that fucking machines are doing damage, but as soon they need to do a mechanic their brain implodes

[blazing jewel]

This tier is pretty terrible for high logs = playing correctly

So it’s not a good indicator for actual performance this tier

[shy pecan]

Will it ever be with externals?

[glossy dust]

you mean in general or rogues? because those i mentioned werent rogues

[blazing jewel]

Think it’s mostly boss design right now tbh

Too many damage amp phase bosses or pad fights

[shy pecan]

Fair

[thorn fjord]

Sup foo's

[blazing jewel]

My guild needs to double sell smold or bring 3 rogues for anyone to get a good log

So everyone gets blue/purples every week until that happens

[glossy dust]

oh i generaly dont look to much into pad fights more the pure st fights

[balmy condor]

you're trying to tell me that my fyrakk kill isn't 100% USDA prime rib ethically sourced?

[blazing jewel]

PADGODX

[thorn fjord]

MEAT IS MURDER

[spice surge]

Ecologically sourced bosses

[blazing jewel]

(I know you needed to hit the purple guy)

[balmy condor]

those bumps at 0:00 and 2:30 are just small because it's only kingsbane trust me bro

100% fyrakk damage

[runic hinge]

I’ll show you small bumps

[balmy condor]

should see a doctor about that

[shy pecan]

Gottem

[blazing jewel]

Ngl playing for boss damage with our push times on fyrakk felt terrible for sin

The kb after intermission felt NOT GOOD

Boss flew away for the last couple seconds

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's uh

pretty weird

[thorn fjord]

I wont get a chance to sin on tiny arms till next season

They moved around my cd's so now im holding SB for both golems

[shy pecan]

Sub main 🙂

[spice surge]

Presumably timers will be different next season anyway

But who knows

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

you guys stoked on the whole MOP thing theyre bring out?

I havent even bothered looking in to it

[shy pecan]

[runic hinge]

I’m stoked for a bunch of mounts and easy transmog

[royal lantern]

the biggest thing for WR climbing is honesstly just

how much time do you wanna invest?

[shy pecan]

Does the helm enchant do fire damage?

[balmy condor]

Shadowflame, which is half shadow and half fire, so yes

[shy pecan]

Is the proc rate too low to just have that alone with the Eranog ring?

[blazing jewel]

Yea if you can’t do 3-4 wr climbing gets gated real quick

[royal lantern]

3-4 a week with OPTIONAL raiddays

the optional week 2-3 heroic run

[blazing jewel]

OT banned

[runic hinge]

Someone tell the post office I need new hours so I can raid

[royal lantern]

like

current guild does 2 days

that more or less means you will be lower overall by default

even if 2 day raiding can mean that the quality of the raid itself is higher

you can push allot in wow by just putting a shitton of time in it

[glossy dust]

does anyone have a functioning KB tracker? this thing doesnt even pop up

[royal lantern]

and raid WR are 1 of the biggest parts of it

[scarlet sequoia]

@signal spruce noob

[past forum]

I don’t think helm enchant is enough to get full value out of eggnog ring procs but i think sims might tell you to not worry about that if blue silken sims higher for you

That’s the impression that I got from Whispyr’s s4 gear vid, but I could just be dead wrong about that

[shy pecan]

Yeah, makes sense

[balmy condor]

You’re correct

The helm enchant gets you like 60% of the way there

[past forum]

Yay I managed to not spread misinformation on this day

[shy pecan]

Gotcha. I was wondering how you’d proc it otherwise and never came around to the helm enchant being one of them

[royal lantern]

can i honestly say that S4 looks really dissapointing rn?

like, not even the ussual "Tryan cries about most things"

but rn it looks like as if it is really just "do raids and m+ again but upscaled" and nothing else, not even the "yeha, you can do big numbers" affixes

just doing painfull Broodkeeper/zskarn/echo/Tindral/Fyrakk again and thats it lol

except atleast a bit more in that regard

[dark token]

Wdym mop remix looks great

[royal lantern]

thats not S4

[dark token]

Better than last fated

It is s4 content

It's like 5 new raids in retail

In one patch

Kinda sick

[royal lantern]

"MoP Remix" is a fancy version of the ussual "new expansion soon, here is a big exp boost"

[royal lantern]

bruh

are you drunk

i thought that was whisp half a day ago

[dark token]

Wdym

[spice surge]

The mop thing is neat

[royal lantern]

^

[spice surge]

S4 is not looking very pog

[dark token]

Mop remix is way better than anything they could have done with fated, would rather raid ToT than sarkareth again

[royal lantern]

its a test version of a leveling revamp

thats very very obvious

[dark token]

Sure

But you also get retail classes in all new raids

[royal lantern]

like, the raids will be trivial mate lol

[spice surge]

Imagine fated tot though

That would go hard

[royal lantern]

you litearlly have gems that play the game for you

[dark token]

This literally is fated ToT

With metagems rather than affixes

[royal lantern]

it will not be "bigtime prog" it will be like doing a normal boss rn but even less personal input needed cus you are supposed to level new characters trought it

[dark token]

It's not gonna be as hard as mythic live obviously

[royal lantern]

it will not even be heroic

[dark token]

Normal boss? I saw max wiping to normal on stream for a while

[royal lantern]

the event is litearlly to make NEW characterss

[spice surge]

Mop had insane meta gems too

[dark token]

HC looks actually difficult

[spice surge]

Or well, the sha touched ones

[past forum]

He admitted that they rushed in there and were missing hella power from metagems

[dark token]

Ye sure it's to collect xmog and make new chats

[royal lantern]

ye

its cool and a great idea

[dark token]

But they also put in decently hard raids

[royal lantern]

but its not really a bigger "Longtime" thing

[dark token]

Neither is a season 3

1 raid ur done

This is 5 raids yeah they will be eaiser

But I expect them to be similar difficulty to fated mythic on live

So like 30-50 pull bosses rather than 300

That's fine, still quite fun

Way better than SL s4

[royal lantern]

i really really doub tthat its 30-50 pulls mate lol

[dark token]

It would be absolutely stupid of them to do this and not put in somewhat challenging raids

[royal lantern]

why

its not raiding content

its "see this old stuff again" content

[dark token]

With some tuning

It can easily be both

5 devs work for one week to tune the heroic raids well for level 70

Boom you've got a patch full of content

They knock it out of the park

It's an easy win win for casuals leveling collecting xmog and raiders bored of fated

It's literally fated mop

[royal lantern]

and then people realise that the dps gem is "you do 50% more crit dmg" and fire mage exists and thats that

[dark token]

Idk why people disappointed

[royal lantern]

not dissapointed lol

im dissapointed in S4

[dark token]

This is part of s4

[royal lantern]

cus rn that one looks abadoned af

[dark token]

Releases same time

[royal lantern]

they dont

[dark token]

Ish

[royal lantern]

lol

[dark token]

You wanna farm sarkareth for 8 months be my guest

I'd rather enjoy the 5 new raids

[royal lantern]

s4 will not be 8months

and its 5 old raids btw

with 1 beeing a 2 boss thing

[dark token]

I wished they had done fated nighthold and ToT literally before this patch dropped

And now we got fated mop

Pretty cool

[royal lantern]

• i think you overastimate how most MoP raidfights looked tbh

[dark token]

I know mop had modern difficulty

Shit like seigecrafter black fuse harder than most fights

[royal lantern]

yeha they had some cooler fight, but also 80% where just trivial "dont stand in aoe and ST the boss"

[dark token]

There is no way they don't make the HC raids AT LEAST the difficulty of heroic now

I expect more cause it's the top difficulty

It's free level 70 content if they tune boss numbers 20% higher

[royal lantern]

look at siege where most fights are really kinda w/e, or HoF where thats prettymuch all fights

[dark token]

1 devs worth of work

I don't think they will be mythic but somewhat in between just like fated

Raz will prob be 20-50 pull boss

I'm fucking excited to take our cool new rogue reworks into a bunch of new raids idk

It's retail PvE content

[royal lantern]

reworks?

[dark token]

Ye the 10.2 ones

[royal lantern]

"new"

and the "cool" is subjective aswell

[dark token]

I like how all 3 specs play generally

Sure sub tree could use some work

[royal lantern]

wanna see how outlaws react when they have no tierset anymore

[dark token]

It was fine

They are whiners

[spice surge]

Hope you have an enhance friend

[royal lantern]

and assa still in kingsbane prison

[dark token]

I played outlaw with s2 tier

[spice surge]

Playing 10man without windfury 💀

[dark token]

Kingsbane is the goated assa gameplay

[dark token]

We got windfury gems

My whole raiding guild is going mop

[spice surge]

Ye but you could have both

[dark token]

After we clear fated raids

Should be fine

I played assa since wod

This is the best iteration

8.0 was 2nd best

[royal lantern]

soviet and cooked takes

[dark token]

Ur take is cooked if you don't think our talent tree is excellent atm

[spice surge]

Big garrote more fun than big kingsbane imo

[dark token]

Just lacking some defense for keys

[royal lantern]

its decent-ish

[dark token]

We kinda have both atm garotte still good

[royal lantern]

not excellent lol

it went from utter garbage too OK

[dark token]

Fuck me for enjoying how all 3 specs play I guess

Its way better than s1-2

Tbf sub s1 was good as well

I rate sub s3 similarly

Assa peeps just mad cause they got over nerfed after being OP at start of patch

I get it

The gameplay is actually fun just numbers not here rn

I still got to prog till smold as assa and it was quite fun

And doing keys rn as assa is more fun than previous rotation

Just defensives not there rn

[royal lantern]

no

i just want to do ANYTHING that actually has some form of impact outside of Kingsbane

but sure

need more burst only specs in wow

not like as if 99% are allready that

[dark token]

Burst is the most fun dmg profile in the game what

Big numbers

[royal lantern]

then play sub

[dark token]

Impactful cooldowns

[royal lantern]

then play frking sub

[dark token]

Sub feels less bursty than assa

They have 25s micro cds

We got our 1m and mostly 2min where we crank

Sin is a more burst profile than sub it's just tuned lower atm

[glossy dust]

theres no changes to sin for s4 also right?

[dark token]

No dumbass rogues voted s3 tier

To keep status quo

Envenom cleave build gameplay

Idk why you want sin to turn to outlaw

With 0 burst

[glossy dust]

why is it a worse set than the other options?

[dark token]

That's an incredible shitty way to play and also to never be relevant in raid again

Even when outlaw is op RN they aren't in raid because flag line DPS lol

Imagine assa like that

Bad in m+ and bad in raid

At least outlaw is good in keys

[dark token]

S2 tier emphasized dots over envenom

Which is better/more fun in aoe

And would have made us stronger in m+ while keeping same strength in raid due to thning

[royal lantern]

i love how you always say that

every single time

[dark token]

You said go play sub

I say go play outlaw

Idk we are both exaggerating

[royal lantern]

ye except you bring it up every single time

[dark token]

Assa rn has the best raid and keys dmg profile it ever had

[royal lantern]

as if "you do 90% of your dmg during a 12sec window" and "you just slam shit and burst doesnt really exist" are the only 2 ways anything plays

[dark token]

You can see it by how broken it was at start of patch

[dark token]

If you want something in between you go play sub

I'll stick with my 2 mins burst spec in assa thx

Sub is literally the in between of outlaw and sin

Burst but also lots of dance spam in between cds

[glossy dust]

dance spam?

[dark token]

You press dance and symbols like 1-3x between cds

It's more gameplay than sin atm

But I quite like the huge numbers at 2 mins and chilling in between personally

I wanna blast 2m on pull then pull out the bag of chips and maintain some dots

[glossy dust]

i mean you have like with dust 1 dance window

[dark token]

Sick assa gameplay

[glossy dust]

then you pull cd's again

[dark token]

Depends on boss

[glossy dust]

if you dont send solo flags its still 1 bevor 1 after

[dark token]

Again depends on boss

[glossy dust]

spam is mybe a bit exaggareted

[dark token]

It's 1-3x between cds

Which is more than what sin has

But less than outlaw

Hence in between

[glossy dust]

well sin seem to be big cd small cd

and dots inbetween?

[dark token]

Yes and sub is big small small small big

Hence spam

[glossy dust]

i mean

ye

[dark token]

Idk why be so negative about the game

[glossy dust]

dance sod solo is not that biig

[dark token]

Our specs are pretty good

New content is better than fated

[glossy dust]

isnt kb without deathmark similar to that tho?

[dark token]

I thought I would be depression raid logging for 6 months

[dark token]

Yes but it happens once per 2 mins

Not 4x

[glossy dust]

what

you have dance sod every like min

well depends nvm

it is definetly less frequent on sin

[dark token]

What