#assassination
rotund oak
hard river
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spice spire
On topic 
thorn fjord
N'zoth was assasinated after all
spice surge
N'zoth was assasinated after all
Thats what they want you to think
runic hinge
Big assassination
spice surge
Nzoth patch, back when garrote went hard
midnight mist
hey
royal lantern
mistake spec that ruins the game?
midnight mist
we did nothing
royal lantern
you didnt even exist back then
glad hamlet
who is they
Augvokers, always blame the Aug
royal lantern
shooosh
midnight mist
you didnt even exist back then
š
spice surge
who is they
Yes
glad hamlet
Our GM plays Aug so it's just tradition to blame him for everything
shy pecan
you didnt even exist back then
Goddamn dude
desert inlet
spice spire
Ty
shy pecan
shy pecan
aint no way you downloaded that shit
Iām on my phone and too lazy to search 
spice spire
Blud posted a video
shy pecan
slow carbon
jaunty crystal
slate crown
limber lion
Stop.
runic hinge
marble hemlock
haughty flicker
glad hamlet
spice spire
That was not enough delay
haughty flicker
not even remotely enough
glad hamlet
It said post this cat with considerable delay and I posted the cat with considerable delay in the gif itself
dark token
spice spire
Never had been
jaunty crystal
isn't it like 20k dps worse or something crazy
dark token
Let's see Paul Allen's logs
balmy condor
Im not sure no KB build is it man
Yeah weird
balmy condor
isn't it like 20k dps worse or something crazy
Itās much worse than -20k 
Itās like -35k
bronze pike
gaunt sigil
it sims better on short fights than signet brand for me
gaunt sigil
meh
Id rather play arms
than continue keying on rogue
Its a for fun thing at this point
Not enjoying keying on rogue much anymore so I just dont
keen spruce
gaunt sigil
and like
My gear is pretty good for the most part
it'd really only be for vault to find a second nick and a new neck
but my neck is tert so
gaunt sigil
I mean yeah oh myth nick for me is only like +700 or smthn
I did get 3 new bests on tonights sale run with no externals 
proof assa parsing is hot garbage lol
our first myth reclear is happening after reset which will be nice
praying to demolish my old kills
runic hinge
Bro I wish my raid killed bosses that fast
runic hinge
Wtfff I want more orange
balmy condor
every time I hear you talk about your raid I can't help but pity you
runic hinge
Yeah. I like them, theyāre nice but I shouldnāt complain unless Iām willing to raid elsewhere
balmy condor
plain's sale run isn't even that fast
we did last 3 every week until all the strengthies had their axe
so like end of february
and then there's stealthi and colour
and those mfers are cooking actual strats just to go faster
keen spruce
colour very fast
balmy condor
if they went into heroic it would be joever
runic hinge
Smolderon in 2:30?!
balmy condor
brother I looked at their farm logs and they're doing 15% more raid damage than my guild
I don't understand
how colour can crank so fucking hard
balmy condor
Smolderon in 2:30?!
I have a 2:28 but it was invalidated cause I got double PI'd cause the priests forgor
balmy condor
THATS MY FACE WHEN YOU SAY THESE THINGS TONY
runic hinge
Itās hard out here
balmy condor
Paladin detected
runic hinge
7:14 
balmy condor
Mods, ban this man
balmy condor
7:14 <:despairge:1196599931281096825>
Fyrakk is a bit cheesy for speed
Cause we donāt actually get p3
We kill him right as he jumps up to end p2
So we skip the whole rp and shit
haughty flicker
Paladin detected
i got the axe early ok
and we were progging smold at the time and i'd rather play ret over sub
balmy condor
Okay kinda based
runic hinge
Okay but if I leave my guild for a better one what if Iām not top dps for every boss?
Thatās a dopamine loss that I canāt handle.
haughty flicker
i feel that
balmy condor
Thatās a dopamine loss that I canāt handle.
true, quake left his guild for a better one and look at him now, he doesnāt even play anymore
Slippery slope
runic hinge
My job might change in July and if I get on a day shift I might look around and apply some
Might change hours*
spice spire
true, quake left his guild for a better one and look at him now, he doesnāt even...
Real
haughty flicker
i see no downside here
runic hinge
I like playing wow so unfortunately I donāt wanna end up like quake
spice spire
I also enjoy playing wow
runic hinge
Imma hopefully have the DF meta achieve in 3 weeks
spice spire
And yet I already have the dtf meta achievement thanks to whispyr
runic hinge
gilded oasis
Are legitimately bonkers
can i borrow some of those
gilded oasis
come say hi to willow before I end stream
runic hinge
can i borrow some of those
P2 happens and 2 of your healers just die randomly every pull
balmy condor
And yet I already have the dtf meta achievement thanks to whispyr
The what meta
I mean Iām also dtf
But uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
shy pecan
come say hi to willow before I end stream
wtf you didnāt mention Willow was streaming š
gilded oasis
wtf you didnāt mention Willow was streaming š
yeah she got shy so we stopped for the night
shy pecan
gilded oasis
we'll be back tomorrow
shy pecan
Okok
rotund oak
<:besad:507266809431326729>
haughty flicker
<:Suske:986176442624782336>
nothing to see here
plush gorge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
amber yoke
I kinda fell in a rogue coma for a couple months.
does sudden demise work properly now?
ebon notch
nothing to see here
Is this mythic
amber yoke
The fuck I couldve sworn there was a lot of complaints at the start of the patch about it
haughty flicker
Is this mythic
no
ebon notch
Still better than I could do on heroic
balmy condor
The fuck I couldve sworn there was a lot of complaints at the start of the patch...
The execute part doesnāt sim for obvious reasons and it can be wonky while leveling in scaled zones I think? During ptr it was proccing off every tick on dummies but it has a 30 sec internal cooldown now, idk
Itās not the most straightforward of effects but for like 99.9% of cases thereās nothing wrong with it
If youāre max level at least it should work as intended
split cipher
Should demise pop on kb damage?
earnest remnant
what does sudden demise do?
split cipher
Bleed damage, thought the tooltip said but kb is a poison right? Or am i thick
split cipher
I get 1.5-2mil sd pops in keys on my kb target
Maybe that's just the deathmark damage then
craggy latch
Question, i know to always sim, and I do sim my character extensively.
But just asking the big brain sin rogue here, how much mastery is enough for sin?
I'm already at DR with mastery, and my sims therefore suggest more crit and vers. Guess my haste sitting at about 18% is sufficient. Does pushing past first DR on mastery benefit us much or is first DR enough?
This is specifically for m+
For ST sims it suggests more haste
shy pecan
storm forum
DRs dont matter too much for us, we dont avoid stats when they reach that threshold or anything, but they are a small part of the reason that our stat weights are so balanced compared to other classes. We just like stats, when we get a lot of one stat, other stats become more relatively valuable. The DR affects this, but it would be true without the DR too.
Also I should tell you to stop looking at stat weights.
rotund idol
And use dslice for dungeon and patchwerk for ST and trust the sim
storm forum
My currently best simming ST set up has mastery, crit and haste relatively equal, and then like 3k vers on top of that.
(And I'm not supposed to admit it, but my stat weights are all within like 1.5 dps of each other)
(They really are pointless, they don't show us anything meaningful)
spice spire
Trinkets also matter a bit for stats
thorn fjord
You matter
spice spire
The children matter
No they donāt because you donāt bozo š«µ
arctic socket
You wouldnāt get the joke
arctic socket
austere sorrel
Do you need to do a Fall to get the loot table in your vault?
rotund oak
https://tenor.com/view/nick-gopher-yell-shout-ahh-gif-19096092
dont hate me but ive had 4 nicks this season in my GV
./vanish
thorn fjord
Ive gotten every back piece atleast twice LOL
thorn fjord
That is awful lol
rotund oak
ive got a 489,im forced to use it
thorn fjord
That sucks
thorn fjord
I just pressed the button on smold and hoped for the best tbh
arctic socket
ive got a 489,im forced to use it
Nah
Itās only like a .4 dps diff
Just tell yourself ashes is better
rotund oak
<:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
its 8k dps more than any other trinket ive got
arctic socket
N use ashes
rotund oak
i dont have ashes
rotund oak
idk ask blizzard
rotund oak
ive lost all rolls on ashes
even when ive rolled 100
i cant get ashes
its forbidden
period
arctic socket
You poor thing
rotund oak
dont rly care at this point brotherman dw
arctic socket
arctic socket
You bold to think
thorn fjord
lol
arctic socket
People gonna play next tier
spice spire
The strong willed gamers will
spice surge
Idk if youre still playing now
arctic socket
No
spice surge
Why would you stop once the new season comes out lmao
rotund oak
there is a smol possibility ill stop playing rogue
runic hinge
Next tier Iām running double passive
spice spire
Also many higher end guilds require raiding, just less during fated
Which is strange
But yeah
spice surge
Idk they said they have exciting news, maybe theyve done some cooking, well see today on the ptr
spice surge
Im not very hopeful though
spice spire
Ok boomer
spice spire
Jealousy is an ugly look xoxo
arctic socket
royal lantern
cant imagine progressing mythic in 3 raids next season
progress?
there was no progress lol
you fought giga nerfed bosses with all the OP gear from all raids combined and a additonal affix that gave even more dmg in SL
mythic bosses dropped in 2min
rotund oak
<:kekdog:907207037757296710>
havent done aberrus or vault on mythic yet 
thorn fjord
Wonder if theyāll bring in older modern raids tho
rotund oak
came back on aberrus
craggy latch
Use top gear / droptimizer instead
Yeah I only use those. I just use an addon that shows when I hit first DR on stats. I dont fuss about though and I rely on top gear and droptimizer to tell me whats best
Another question I have is with regards to which sim is the best for our dps profile.
ST is straight forward, bur when simming for aeo, is it also just the basic patchwork 5 target 1min or is there a better selection?
rotund idol
Another question I have is with regards to which sim is the best for our dps pro...
Dungeonslice (dslice)
gilded oasis
The strong willed gamers will
no, just those of us who hate ourselves
gilded oasis
o
plucky canopy
does sin benefits from cdr of pally? or does shadow dance does not get cdr from that as it doesnĀ“t get any at galakrond?
scenic nacelle
I had a dream they buffed sin, sad to see it isnāt true today
balmy condor
Yeah I only use those. I just use an addon that shows when I hit first DR on sta...
you can basically forget that addon exists, there's a hard breakpoint for ele sham mastery, but aside from that there's really no decision to be made from knowing where on the DR scale you're at, sims will account for it anyway
balmy condor
Another question I have is with regards to which sim is the best for our dps pro...
if you're trying to do like only aoe, 5t 1:30 is about as low as I would go to not skew the results into oblivion but lowkey it's still just dungeonslice, it already has so much aoe and variance built into it that its just the de-facto best solution for anything not single target
split jewel
for s4, what are the chances that M0 Nick of Time ends up on the BIS list 
runic hinge
50%
balmy condor
does sin benefits from cdr of pally? or does shadow dance does not get cdr from ...
depends on your definition of "benefit", autumn does work on everything. It's a cycle of summer->autumn->winter->spring, each with a 45 second cooldown, so in 3 minutes you get autumn once which gives a 30 second 30% cdr speed, or about 10 seconds of cdr. The real issue here is that you'd be desyncing with your on-use trinket so it's pretty much never worth it
balmy condor
for s4, what are the chances that M0 Nick of Time ends up on the BIS list <:PogO...
m0 and bis in the same sentence should already make you question yourself tbh
runic hinge
m0 and bis in the same sentence should already make you question yourself tbh
Itās gonna be champ track equivalent this season so it might be. But probably not worth scuffing your vault with 4 m0ās for a single item outta ten dungeons
balmy condor
okay but hear me out right
runic hinge
balmy condor
whats better than m0
plucky canopy
depends on your definition of "benefit", autumn does work on everything. It's a ...
oh true, trinket.. just thought of our tindral kill just now, where i ended up with cds halfway through
balmy condor
literally m-anything higher than 0
shy pecan
The real answer is not having to suffer and complain about not getting it week after week and doing an m0 for a champion lvl weapon
balmy condor
like why are we doing m0's for a champ track weapon
when you could do a +7 and get it on hero track
what are we doing
split jewel
Mega Dungeon isn't on the M+ rotation
runic hinge
No mega dungeon
balmy condor
blizzard already deleting their own content and the expansion isn't even over
pog
shy pecan
balmy condor
they've been allergic to keeping anything for more than 6 months
for like the last 5 expansions
split jewel
don't worry, Blizz gonna add Sanctum to the rotation so we can get those daggers instead
balmy condor
it's insane
plucky canopy
they've been allergic to keeping anything for more than 6 months
meanwhile power infusion still existing
runic hinge
don't worry, Blizz gonna add Sanctum to the rotation so we can get those daggers...
Only if I can buy them with a dinar
split jewel
Only if I can buy them with a dinar
balmy condor
spend months of dev time making a whole ass mega dungeon with lore implications and original art etc etc etc
shy pecan
Watch, hero talents gonna have EoN proc and sin and sub rogues rejoice
balmy condor
it enters m+ rotation for one season
then it disappears forever
who the fuck is coming up with that as a plan
idk
I don't fucking get it
it's like blizzard makes content just to delete it
shy pecan
balmy condor
actual brain damage
split jewel
guess it wasn't part of "Dragonflight's greatest hits"
shy pecan
tbf, it took like infinite months to balance rise so maybe it's a good thing...
runic hinge
Time to sim gems again
balmy condor
tbf, it took like infinite months to balance rise so maybe it's a good thing...
yeah but I mean that's the whole thing
they make content that's meant to be deleted in 5-6 months
and then it takes them 3 to tune it
?????????????????????????????????
runic hinge
I'll go sim an m0 dagger I guess
If you donāt put it on the list then people wonāt scuff their vault for the whole season and complain when they donāt get it
Then I can also accuse you of sandbagging when I finally drop it
split jewel
rogue-only doti M0s
another nasty realization is that you can also run the mega dungeon on heroic, but that's only veteran
oh no:
runic hinge
DOTI PRISON
split jewel
at least demon hunters will probably sit in group finder with us
craggy latch
I'm gonna go from not having nic of time to not having nic of time. kek
split jewel
haven't been able to get a hero/myth one this whole season
true rapids
at least you only have to do it up to the 2nd boss 
runic hinge
at least you only have to do it up to the 2nd boss <a:SHRUGGERS:7525347947215586...
The hard mode piece drops from the chest at deios
split jewel
meanwhile outlaw just has to farm Neltharus
true rapids
The hard mode piece drops from the chest at deios
i thought it just increased ilvl as a whole my bad, the chest can be what any piece of gear from the megadungeon?
runic hinge
Any piece yes
true rapids
gross
runic hinge
Tbh Iām just not doing it
Double myth track daggers will be 1% worse at worst and I am not sure farming a 1% upgrade that can be failed by any party member randomly is worth my sanity for a fated season
balmy condor
493 nick > 519 reg dagger in offhand
true rapids
must be nice, don't even have 1 myth track nick yet 
runic hinge
493 nick > 519 reg dagger in offhand
By how much tho
runic hinge
Ohhh
balmy condor
if you can get a 528 dagger for some reason you'd need a 506 nick
so we'll call it like offhand nick is worth 20 ilvl
close enough
split jewel
think you'll be able to upgrade champion nick to 515
balmy condor
yeah
it seems really high though
cause mythic apparently is 519?
so like
tf happened to hero track
idk
we'll see
split jewel
4/4 myth looks like it might cap out around 528
balmy condor
I don't give enough of a shit about season 4
split jewel
yeah, s4 is meme season
spice surge
Thought they would cook up something, but nah, its just fucking plain spaghetti again
split jewel
just wait for SV to come out of nowhere and be SS-tier again
shy pecan
Thought they would cook up something, but nah, its just fucking plain spaghetti ...
No meatballs to go with it, huh?
true rapids
Eranog ring drop farming again
vestal wren
Thought they would cook up something, but nah, its just fucking plain spaghetti ...
wasn't there even a tweet or bluepost stating that it won't be the same as fated
maybe i missremember
lusty kraken
Instead of flaring cowl you can just get the shadowflame embellishment
steel ridge
Its not fated. Its awakened 
spice surge
Well duh but like, they implied there would be other changes, and ig theres no raid affixes
But like
bruh
runic hinge
Instead of flaring cowl you can just get the shadowflame embellishment
Bomb dispenser and signet brand
steel ridge
its just plain recycling from what i can tell
runic hinge
Thatās good for the environment
lusty kraken
Ofc they are recycling, what did people expect 
steel ridge
Nothing
spice surge
Ofc they are recycling, what did people expect <:KEKW:879653749516271676>
Before they did the vote for tier i thought they'd just give us either all sets at the same time or allows us to mix&match and have like 2p vault + 4p amirdrassil, that would be recycling in an interesting way
or 2+2+2
steel ridge
how, tier is 5p
spice surge
Just add a cloak or something
steel ridge
omni tier cloak
runic hinge
Bring back 8 piece tier sets
steel ridge
Counts for all sets
spice surge
But my character is gonna play pretty much identically as it has this season in the next one 
steel ridge
Blizz are playing it safe, just extending
lame
but well, atleast it makes fiery bird farm easier with 520 ilvl
quiet oar
Before they did the vote for tier i thought they'd just give us either all sets ...
I wish they did that. I thought thst Too, but they took the lame lazy way
steel ridge
TWW beta when
split jewel
i'll settle for the rest of the rogue hero talents
spice surge
I wish they did that. I thought thst Too, but they took the lame lazy way
And for assa/sub theres almost certainly not going to be much interesting things going on with trinkets either. As burst specs you want an on-use that give you stats, aka ashes (maybe puzzlebox if they unnerf it) and then icon
lusty kraken
Are you guys ready for another season of sub being the meta spec?
split jewel
not with those champion nick of time
runic hinge
Are you guys ready for another season of sub being the meta spec? <:OMEGAKEKW:82...
Itās a meme season. I aināt playing sub even if thereās a fire
winged quail
royal lantern
Are you guys ready for another season of sub being the meta spec? <:OMEGAKEKW:82...
season?
im ready for the next expansion beeing that way
cant wait for Deathstalker sub beeing BiS in raids and fatebound outlaw in m+ 
runic hinge
And me one-tricking sin anyways cause fuck em
balmy condor
I'm going to enjoy not logging into live servers for the next 6 months
normal mist
To be fair, me too LOL
Unless some super cool event with lots of tmog and unique items is released
tall jay
As long as our sims are awesome like normal @balmy condor lol
spice spire
I'm going to enjoy not logging into live servers for the next 6 months
God ur so real for that
balmy condor
As long as our sims are awesome like normal <@167090536602140682> lol
yeah there's still all the guides and the sims and the youtube videos and all that as necessary
runic hinge
God ur so real for that
No he isnāt
tall jay
Btw way I finally got my myth track Nick of time today
balmy condor
tall jay
Ty ty now to retire on top right?
runic hinge
Time to farm tavian
spice spire
Only thing Iām farming is Stu videos
tall jay
I def need another 489 weapon. I have all the daggers from raid at 483 and a crafted 486 on lol
runic hinge
He was being a menace this morning
spice spire
He just like me
fringe oxide
Are we back to farming doti as well for nick of time next season?
Heroic tier nick of time would probably be a good offhand and maybe even main hand for a heroic raider?
I just read up what you guys said before 
runic hinge
Iām using bomb dispenser to proc and you canāt make me wear the flaring cowl
haughty flicker
dont have to worry about proccing ring if you never get it
need to spend dinars on cosmetics cant use for gear
red wolf
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
dark token
I'm insta using dinar on ring
gaunt sigil
Has anyone had issues reclearing larodar this week?
We ended up skipping it cause it seemed bugged, it kept just randomly targetting different people
I didnt have it recorded but there was a moment where one of our tanks literally runs to the other side of the arena, doesnt press buttons, no taunts, and the boss walks over and charges them
violet jackal
every Blood Death Knight i watch Disconnect during a charge on that fight but boss still dies usually
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
limber walrus
Iām using bomb dispenser to proc and you canāt make me wear the flaring cowl
don't forget to throw in the Volcoross neck, so we can get the absorb
gusty mirage
to absorb nature damage?
balmy condor
very important to absorb nature damage on all 3 of the mechanics this expansion that do nature damage
impossible to do nymue without it
runic hinge
Weāre also doing nature damage so we can absorb a little fire damage too. As a treat.
past forum
If only we got season 2 tier set for more sources of nature damage
runic hinge
Yeah. We definitely need more nature damage
storm forum
Yummy nature damage
runic hinge
dense jolt
what procs ashes of embersoul's 'dire circumstance'?
serene flicker
A large chunk of your team dying
balmy condor
2/3rds I think
fringe oxide
Ah so that's a 50/50 every pull.
light warren
How much did assassin end up changing from season 2? \
if I came back would it feel completely different?
balmy condor
it's a bit slower and sepsis is garbage but kingsbane replaces it as "the button that everything revolves around"
cd timings are much more straight forward since everything lines up
aside from that pretty much the same
light warren
cd timings are much more straight forward since everything lines up
Ic timing for pulls? i would assume thats the cd.
balmy condor
oh you're talking m+
m+ pretty much the same thing as before but better and you have outlaw blade flurry
light warren
yea mb wasnt specifc in my comment
alright cool. was scared too come back and have to relearn a new class or something.
balmy condor
yeah nah
not that different
should feel very similar
still garrotes from stealth and crimson tempest
rupture a mob and slam single target cds into it
all the usual assa stuff
there's a lot of nuance atm about how to open on things because if you press deathmark+kingsbane on something it kinda just explodes
so that might be finnicky
but all the usual stuff is still the same
light warren
Nice. last thing i heard before i left was changing how bleeds apply in aoe or something and wondered how that effected the main rotation. Never used kingsbane so yeah probably would be something new.
balmy condor
main things to understand are basically just kingsbane+caustic and why that's something important, sudden demise deleting things when you weren't expecting, CT changed but not really, and carnage is a passive from stealth
gameplay wise press kingsbane/deathmark on something as soon as possible to get it to ramp, spread bleeds, win game
light warren
looking on wowhead i notice no more Echoing and no more poison bomb. no more enevenom spam for procs?
and i guess shadow dance is for the new passive IC
royal lantern
echoing?
light warren
echoing reprimand
is evenvom still in rotation or is it just mutilate now becuse of caustic?
royal lantern
oh ye, shity covenant abilitys
thought you meant the BfA azerite trait 
light warren
changes seem healthy to the tree but also seems like there might be a bit more micro managing
oh wait enevom also for slice and dice i forgot
balmy condor
looking on wowhead i notice no more Echoing and no more poison bomb. no more ene...
depending on the build poison bomb is still around
envenom just aoe's from caustic now
and the tier caustics too
envenom is still the main spam thing but assassination as a whole is a cooldown spec now
you live and die based on kingsbane
the shadow dance is to buff kingsbane
light warren
yikes. so it plays more like sub? where ur just waiting most of the time
light warren
I didnt play too much sub but when i did it was like boring boring boring big window where i press everything boring boring
balmy condor
you're still juggling bleeds all the time and you're energy capped in aoe from all the bleeds so you gotta CT to eat the energy, but you still have too much so then you gotta spam envenoms out
kingsbane+caustic is just a large driver of burst for the spec
it's not like you do 0 damage without playing around kingsbane
but it is a noticeably large portion of it
royal lantern
I didnt play too much sub but when i did it was like boring boring boring big wi...
yep, thats assa now, enjoy
š
light warren
yep, thats assa now, enjoy
meh, doesnt sound as bad. sounds like they just added an extra burst window for it
balmy condor
if packs lived for like 2:30 minutes
it would be that
because like
you get your bleeds from stealth, you're cranking, you have cds going, you're cranking
and then you just run out of steam eventually
dance is 1 min, kb is 1 min
vanish is 2
so you're kinda just juggling those throughout the key
if a pull lasts forever you're gonna be pretty sad between dance/vanish and have to manually multidot and stuff
I like that gameplay but I get others might not, and it's not particularly rewarding to do so currently
but none of that really matters even because packs just explode
light warren
if a pull lasts forever you're gonna be pretty sad between dance/vanish and have...
it was somewhat like that. only time i swapped to dot was for energy issues or if i wanted to save IC. but both of those were uncommon
balmy condor
people's main complaint in m+ atm is that the big prio target dies before their kingsbane finishes
and that's a 14 second cd
so like
~20 seconds until the big boy dies
light warren
is M+ easy right now?
balmy condor
depends on what your definition of easy is
light warren
idk. i was 3k in season 2 so i did 23 24 keys
balmy condor
m+ difficulty is "don't get one shot by this mechanic you can't stop"
timer is hardly ever a concern
you hit a wall before that typically
either a wall of "that just kills me"
or a wall of like "we don't have the damage to break you out of the roots on waycrest"
royal lantern
is M+ easy right now?
for most people yes
3k-3,1is right now the old "+20" range in difficulty
then you go slightly higher and shit 1hit kills trought deffensives
aka
legion m+ again
light warren
legion m+ again
never played legion. Legit only played DF season 2 and that was it lol
always saw content around the game and wanted to prove i could be good at it. but now im having withdrawals and want to get back into it possibly. saw the BR game they have and was like dang wow would be fun
royal lantern
m+ right now for most ranges is almost trivial
timers are extremely generous
close to 0 bigger mechanics, not many interupt heavy packs that wipe you for missing 1 kick etc...
balmy condor
legion m+ again
don't slander the good name of legion m+ by comparing it to whatever this dogshit is
royal lantern
you could easy pug +20 in the first week
that goes up to ~23-24 keys
and then you do 25 and everything is a 1hit kill
light warren
legion m+ you could actually pull more than 5 mobs
did you enjoy brackenhide
royal lantern
brackenhide was allright after some nerfs
except for assa cus LOL kill totems in 6seconds
balmy condor
did you enjoy brackenhide
brackenhide after like 25 nerfs was okay
issue with brackenhide was unstoppable kicks and the bosses were aids
light warren
Loved wipping on the first boss......
balmy condor
first and last boss are actually awful
light warren
or last boss totems were SO much fun
balmy condor
but just the trash itself was pretty okay
royal lantern
first boss in the first 2 werks having a immunity/paladin requirment 
light warren
didnt get to play that one. did it in some random dungeons seemed alright. pulls were fun.
I want to say VP was my most hated but not really it was more so that assassin was useless in it
royal lantern
favorite dungeon this expac was academy
you dont like dawn of the whatthefuckisthis or 18bosses uldaman or halls of bringapriestandwalkforages????????
balmy condor
uldaman was kinda okay but fighting everything in a 3 inch wide hallway is not it
light warren
Uldaman was fun i feel like. Loved tanking it.
royal lantern
narrow halls and wow camera + visual clusterfuck where everything is under 20aoe effects
the wow classic
balmy condor
halls could've been a good key if no gauntlet and the run wasn't insane
but that dungeon also just feels like they filled it with mobs and went "oh they aren't deadly enough"
royal lantern
i like how they went for fated season "halls gets checkpoints now!!!"
balmy condor
and then just buffed everything by 600%
light warren
was just going to mention halls on a bad modifier was the definition of hell
balmy condor
like the core of the dungeon
is really good
but then they just shoved random nonsense into it
like those first packs with the beam
that just 2 shots you out of nowhere?
fucking why
balmy condor
those orbs too
yeah
just a good dungeon ruined by really weird choices in mechanics
light warren
i would have a group i trust go in and we would just die. enraging or whatever the mod was plus those things
aint no way ur doing that dungeon that weak
light warren
yep orb pull and the hallway after frog boos was the run killers
royal lantern
the frost dragons just doing 3x the damage of everything else
bring a priest for massdispell and also we nerf mass dispell cus too many groups used a Priest for mass dispell!
balmy condor
sort of a really weird tuning when you get to the frog boss and go "pfew, a break, we get to breathe"
and then you kill the boss and go
"oh fuck"
and then get to the next boss and go "we did it, breathe again"
those dragons feel like more of a boss than the bosses
light warren
my 24 key clear was on a fort week and i was the happiest man alive after it was over.
Underot, Neltharus were probably my favorite
Freehold was AMAZING but very tank dependent on the route
balmy condor
I love freehold
and then they brought it back in dragonflight
and removed half of the fun parts
and I'm just like
?????????
y'all don't play your own game
what is this
they gave us a bad council boss, removed the events which changed pathing
added true sight and some mechanics, buffed some bullshit mechanics you can't interrupt
and then removed the stormcaller self-damage
karmic bane
hey trying to figure out if there is something wrong with fury warrior sims, does anyone have a ptr sim for the rogue specs
balmy condor
we don't have ptr sims for the rogue specs
karmic bane
hm ok ty
vestal wren
and removed half of the fun parts
"no fun allowed"
balmy condor
"no fun allowed"
m+ is massive success because pulling huge packs and blowing them up is fun
blizzard for the next 4 expansions: NUH UH YOU CANT DO THAT THATS NOT FAIR
also blizzard: here's the MDI esport competition, it's one of our most successful competitions and it revolves around doing the thing we've been trying to remove from m+ for the last 7 years
vestal wren
you spelled "refine and improve on the formula" wrong
balmy condor
blizzard just shooting themselves in the feet constantly
vestal wren
i think mdi has a problem of having the first days the most interessting ones
balmy condor
"they're pulling too big! Cap the AoE!"
and then make bosses like gnarlroot and tindral and fyrakk
with giga aoe
vestal wren
because you want to see the pulls/group constellations
and they need some "clever use of game mechanics" and risky pulls
light warren
"they're pulling too big! Cap the AoE!"
capped aoe felt so weird on assasin. and then theres just a monk beside me in netharus doing 200k more dmg in the big pull lmao
vestal wren
to stay interessting
vestal wren
there is a certain irony
that Legion got m+ just right
while beeing the iteration least deisgned around m+
every dungeon after ended up designed m+ first
light warren
i think i would play M+ in any condition because raiding does not feel rewarding
vestal wren
bfa had some good ones like freehold
light warren
I dont want to sit in a raid group for 5 hours twice a week with people who dont put in the effort outside of raid to learn.
balmy condor
it's funny cause I'm the opposite
light warren
end of last season we had people swapping to alts while also bringing in new people. I couldnt be asked to play in the raid group if we are going to wipe on the same boss i can do with my eyes closed.
balmy condor
raid is the only thing rewarding
vestal wren
i think its diffrent content
i don't enjoy the m+ grind
not rly into 10+h/day m+ farm for 3 weeks
serene flicker
I just like winning. Whether itās raid, dungeons, or PvP. Nothing feels better than killing the enemy.
vestal wren
but i can see how people who are are angry that their peers don't want to spend the same amount of time in m+
light warren
i was top 3 dmg in my group but i told my raid lead im just pushing for 3k + io and I am not coming to raid. he said well people who show up now will have prio next season. man im not coming next season.
balmy condor
vestal wren
you playing wow single player oriented
balmy condor
sounds like not a mythic prog group tbh
light warren
nah they cleared heroics mostly.
balmy condor
yeh
light warren
they tried to do mythic a couple times and i showed up. but that group couldnt clear for shit
balmy condor
I mean I would be miserable doing that too
light warren
didnt care to find another group that was empty for mythic
light warren
would be like pugging +18's
i did do that lmao
balmy condor
batman couldn't beat that out of me
I would never admit to pugging m+ keys
that shits cancer
vestal wren
tbh it would probably be better to find a group/guild aligned with your goals if your group barely manages to clear heroic or first mythic boss
light warren
Although 18s werent TOO bad. you would have some people just speed clearing for weekly
clever sapphire
pugging 18s is fun. Put something on second monitor and ignore the key
its either gonna be a 10 minute key
or barely timed
no inbetween
vestal wren
yes, but your guild is putting in less effort time and get less progress than you want
so best option is probably to find one that fits your expectations
and allows you to prorgess mythic
light warren
Yea, my main point was that i just joined too late I think and my thought proccess was anyone that was comptently doing mythics were either not in my realm or were full.
I played on Dalaran
Parses is 6th right now. Cool to see they are still going strong.
damn the guild i was in cleared 3/9 mythic actually
maybe they improved this season
DAMN both the guilds i was in cleared 3/9 mythic
vestal wren
smolderon is the first big wall this tier
clever sapphire
3/9 is probably easier than hc fyrakk
vestal wren
so most guilds that are doing mythic as a focus should get up to smolderon
clever sapphire
the only "hard" boss before smolderon is council
cause thats usually just a shitshow
rotund oak
there are pugs in europe that kill 6/9
vestal wren
council is not hard
clever sapphire
so first 6 are kinda free
vestal wren
could argue lerodar is
esp. given how many problems you can run into with bad tanking
rotund oak
real raid starts in smolderon
vestal wren
smolderon was nerfed and should be doable for most, still
rotund oak
nah dont think so
vestal wren
what is a big issue atm is how difficultly scales
vestal wren
people underestimate how easy it is to fail on the boss
rotund oak
ppl play from rotten laptops
vestal wren
and lose patience given how relatively seen easy the ones where before
clever sapphire
smolderon was nerfed and should be doable for most, still
a friends guild is around 310 pulls into smolderon and only 20%, so i dunno about that
earnest remnant
there are pugs in europe that kill 6/9
8/9*
earnest remnant
we cleared up to fyrakk in 1 hour
but
it is a formed group of the same like 20 people every week
rotund oak
well you boys are 9/9 already and with competitive raiding experience
earnest remnant
so not entirely a "pug"
rotund oak
yup
vestal wren
would say organized group
earnest remnant
just a mix of alot of different people from different guilds
vestal wren
rather than pug
earnest remnant
ranking anywhere between top 15 to top 120
rotund oak
imagine having a pug gorup with stealthi blasting 400k dps on every boss
literally doing the dps 3 dpsers do on pugs
light warren
yea my dps on raids werent great. my mythic kill on kazzara was like 122k for a 5.5 min fight
earnest remnant
i cant do shit
bronze pike
Simply donāt fly
rotund oak
fashion icon
bronze pike
5head
earnest remnant
fucking wish
vestal wren
it aint that pretty
wdym, looks fine for an alt
earnest remnant
nah its awful
light warren
it aint that pretty
is this where the dmg is at now?
clever sapphire
yap
clever sapphire
inflation
earnest remnant
is this where the dmg is at now?
more like this
bronze pike
Purple is goodge
vestal wren
more like this
nice gnarlroot parse
light warren
yea i was purple parses aswell for raids
vestal wren
assassination on igira 
light warren
pink for mythics
earnest remnant
thats a progress parse
it just has my highest percentile shown
thats the sub one
if we only take sub
vestal wren
nice
earnest remnant
now we have no wft in the guild so now im just chilling doing other things
doing mythic clears on 3 chars a week
clever sapphire
doing mythic clears on 3 chars a week
casually flexing on all the noobs that dont even have fyrakk down (im one of them)
light warren
my assassin rank and everything is gone
earnest remnant
casually flexing on all the noobs that dont even have fyrakk down (im one of the...
well i only kill fyrakk on one of them
the other 2 are 7/9 and 8/9
rotund oak
if we only take sub
uve killed smolderon so much u should be thrown into jail for genocide
lul
blazing jewel
doing mythic clears on 3 chars a week
DAY RAID ALERT
midnight mist
hello scana
blazing jewel
hello
balmy condor
doing mythic clears on 3 chars a week
Colour unethical split farmers
balmy condor
So ethical
earnest remnant
DAY RAID ALERT
its still in the evening dumbass
royal lantern
cant call Others L when you fucking split farm mate
balmy condor
Stealthi unethical split farmer to take back to colour so that we canāt accuse colour of being cringe splitters
royal lantern
thats the biggest "lost grip on reality" shit possible
blazing jewel
splits arent really that bad tbh
balmy condor
They are when your guild canāt even play 1 character
blazing jewel
heroic has been so easy the past few tiers you can bring a turbo rat through it just as a body
earnest remnant
playing alts for fun during downtime has nothing to do with splits
u peeps are cooked
royal lantern
splits arent really that bad tbh
sure mate, sure
royal lantern
thats like a chainsmoker telling you that its not that bad 
earnest remnant
do you want your tier set week 1 or nah
i had 4 set week one without splits
get wrecked bozo
balmy condor
Gearing is already so fast tbh
balmy condor
Ye
vestal wren
gearing is about beeing reasonable with loot distributions
if you fuck up, you delay tier set and progress for your guild (like we did in our guild)
marble hemlock
look how ethical I was
why you playing spatter on fyrakk
spatter on fyrakk = not ethical
blazing jewel
Isnāt ib like 1.5%
earnest remnant
yeh
cursive frost
Wonder what the optimal trinket setup is going to be in s4, hopefully not bomb dispenser
dapper moat
Anyone else here who has Porcelain Crab simming way higher than Ashes of the embersoul on Dungeon Cleave? š I get it that Ashes is more of a ST trink but still.
dapper moat
aye, atm. its ashes and sandglass on ST for me :/ low, snadclass even š©
gusty mirage
why you playing spatter on fyrakk
Why would you not play spatter on fyrakk
Like if youāre not padding youāre not doing damage lmao
marble hemlock
fine by me
whether souls die 3sec before fyrakk spawns or 4sec before fyrakk spawns, i consider having done 0damage to them either way
spice surge
Its also a decent chunk extra damage on the other colossus
But i cant imagine many guilds struggling with colussus damage rn
gusty mirage
But i cant imagine many guilds struggling with colussus damage rn
We started to when everyone decided to swap off add damage for us
I was vibing playing dark brew so I had no dps for them
marble hemlock
Its also a decent chunk extra damage on the other colossus
theyre both dead before boss spawns too so
useless damage
if anything, killing them early makes it worse
means you drop envenom buff between colossus dying and boss spawning
so thats one less 4pc proc
hallow token
Heyyy so I wanted to circle back and thank you again for your patient advice. I've been practicing the tips you pointed out and my opening DPS and overall Kingsbane rotation are much better now. Thank you.
spice surge
Good job man! 
gusty mirage
gaming 
soft shale
and as always remember crit often and crit high
clever sapphire
If ever in doubt, just crit more
Whispyr thaught me this on sunday when i said i get 2M kb openers
(Actually he said just do more dmg, and it worked)
bleak plume
Heyyy so I wanted to circle back and thank you again for your patient advice. I'...
Lovely, have fun:)
lusty kraken
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal lantern
If ever in doubt, just crit more
crit more, proc enchant, proc wft hits, highroll dmg numbers, highroll poison applications
skill based game btw
runic hinge
skill based game btw
having good rng is skill
runic hinge
Ask @keen spruce
woeful meteor
@royal lantern I want to see a kill and now this 
royal lantern
huh
woeful meteor
your gm streams
woeful meteor
RH stalker
need be aware of the competition on the server, quake is right tho log finding is fun 
shy pecan
spice spire
need be aware of the competition on the server, quake is right tho log finding i...
Need access to the spreadsheet king?
woeful meteor
there is a spreadsheet
woeful meteor
Tryn's gm or mine?
earnest remnant
both
spice spire
there is a spreadsheet
For logs to watch ye
earnest remnant
quake the biggest lurker ong
earnest remnant
tbf i had no clue either
woeful meteor
For logs to watch ye
earnest remnant
but ive always kept to myself mostly
earnest remnant
spice spire
You were pumping in sod
spice spire
I mean ur always pumping but it became a bit of a meme
So Iād just have regulars from all chats
Pre CF stealthi
Pre CF Makeitquake even
earnest remnant
i sucked at sylv
shy pecan
@royal lantern Did you change your character's name?
spice spire
Ik dk was private but it also didnāt help that DK absolutely had sylv on lock forever
woeful meteor
he did
spice spire
He had like a 12k p3 or some shit
shy pecan
earnest remnant
yeah i only managed to get around 11.3k in p3
mans was on some mad crack on that boss
spice spire
Yeah heās high key cracked
earnest remnant
last few tiers we would just dm eachother screenshots of logs we had
"beat that mfer" typa beat
spice spire
Yeah if only he didnāt become an adult and go to accounting.
Sure heās still cracked out of his mind if he plays
earnest remnant
shadowdust took away the rest of his youth
spice spire
Real
balmy condor
ask me wut
how is your day
balmy condor
keen spruce
how is your day?
keen spruce
runic hinge
ask me wut
About how having good rng is integral to being skilled
lusty kraken
how bad is assa dooming for next season? 
keen spruce
no dooming cuz none of us are playing fated
balmy condor
keen spruce
lusty kraken
wdym all class discords are always dooming
keen spruce
we doom hard when appropriate
balmy condor
only the idiots in the class discords are always dooming
runic hinge
Iām excited
Dinar loot being able to go to max with crests means I get get myth raid trinkets without being a mythic raider
keen spruce
truuuuuu
runic hinge
Iām about to be so juiced
balmy condor
if people are already dooming about hypothetically being not the best in a throwaway season that isn't even out yet
they need to actually get a fucking grip
those peoples lives are too good
how is that the thing to worry about
subtle tundra
frank hollow
Hey. Can someone link me a rookie friendly assa build for m+ 20 range.