assassination

[steel ridge]

and shadow priest apparently is "off-meta"

and destruction, ofc 🙂

[dark token]

nah

its turbo meta

what

[clever sapphire]

my friend messages me every wednesday how shitty his vault was (always filling his dh and mage slots even with raid). And im like "cool, havent opened a vault in 2 months and im happier since"

[steel ridge]

yeah but its eligible for the break the meta event 😄

[dark token]

what

how

it does 2-4x more keys than havoc

[steel ridge]

demon hunter is banned entirely

[dark token]

blood dk should also be on there

lol

[steel ridge]

it do be weird sometimes

[slim hamlet]

Those are certainly interesting picks

[runic hinge]

When is the btm week

[limber lion]

But they have their own event with the 5x DH vs 5x DH

[gusty mirage]

is kreem one of the team captains

[limber lion]

Hopefully not

[steel ridge]

now thats a new one

[slim hamlet]

It has actually been a thing since wod

[limber lion]

It just comes down to the popularity of each spec via raider.io metrics

[limber lion]

Meta vs Meta has never been a thing

[slim hamlet]

The joke was that DH wasn't a thing in WOD

[dark token]

not sure how holy paladin qualifies

but blood dk does not

[limber lion]

Could be referring to the event, the comp of 5x of the same spec or whatever

terrible joke

gg

[slim hamlet]

Isn't it like 50% random.org

[limber lion]

https://raider.io/news/622-break-the-meta-returns-for-dragonflight-season-3

[dark token]

sure i guess shadow is underplayed in lower keys

[limber lion]

Holy Pala would have been next on the list

but they probs wanted to have more than just 3 healers

[slim hamlet]

I wish they only had the actual most poopoo specs for something like this

[dark token]

i see they break it out by role

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[limber lion]

Yeah, but it probably comes down to the event not being popular enough if there's like 5 specs to play in total

[slim hamlet]

Are you the mayo in grilled cheese guy?

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[dark token]

??

[slim hamlet]

Maybe not only 5 but I would remove all warlock, enhance, definitely spriest and probably also sub

What kinda key are they doing actually?

[dark token]

aff tho

holy paladin has similar spec representation to blood dk across all specs and all keys, but per role blood dk is higher because there are less tanks

seems kinda weird

also including shadow priest in a community run break the meta event

they should probably look at 27+keys for "meta" classes and allow the others

not 20s

if its blizzard run i understand why spriest is included

[slim hamlet]

Depends on what key level they're doing whether healer and tanks even matter

[limber lion]

They do both

[dark token]

but rio has no excuse really

[limber lion]

"When determining which specs are eligible for BTM, we sort the participation data by Class Frequency, and then we look at keystones +20 and higher. We also sort by +25 and higher to determine if there’s any massive outliers in the highest key ranges."

[slim hamlet]

Has spriest been changed since mdi?

I don't actively play right now so not following fully

[limber lion]

Like this is what +25 looks like

Spriest is not super duper giga popular like you make it out to be

[dark token]

this is what i consider meta

[slim hamlet]

I mean meta in my mind doesn't mean popular

[limber lion]

And now you're looking at 30+'s

LMAO

[dark token]

yeah

[slim hamlet]

Like assa being broken start of patch in raid but outlaw still being more popular doesn't make outlaw the meta

Most of the time the meta is also most popular but you know

Spriest is defo meta unless I missed something heavy

[limber lion]

You realize that the meta has to change entirely for 30+ keys

It makes no sense to look at 30+ keys

for a non-meta event

like spriest is dog in keys lower than that

[slim hamlet]

Is it MDI style or TGP?

[dark token]

not really, its just less played not bad

its really good in low keys as evidenced by mdi popularity

in low keys

it was in basically every mdi comp

[slim hamlet]

I meaaan

[dark token]

and reprsents likes over 16% of all dps in the top most keys

[slim hamlet]

Its good in MDI because it fucks the super high health mobs in the 200 mob pull

[dark token]

its like 2x as popular as outlaw at top end

or 4x havoc

[limber lion]

Yeah

In keys where neither of those specs do nothing

[slim hamlet]

But yea idk how that is on the list

[limber lion]

in 50 mob pack pulls

[dark token]

the metagame at the top end of play is what is the "meta"

[limber lion]

Of course Spriest is better and more played than the target capped classes

like lol

[dark token]

there is stuff turbo popular in games because its fun for low ranks but its not meta because its not good in pro play

[slim hamlet]

There is no shot spriests were manually dotting 20 mobs in mdi

[runic hinge]

You dot while tank gathers and then crash what's left

[limber lion]

But yeah

[slim hamlet]

Imagine just no one takes spriest in the tournament

[limber lion]

There's no point to look at the classes doing +30 keys when you will not get to +30's with Break the Meta

You don't get to play Veng DH, Prot Pala or BDK

[slim hamlet]

I am expecting 100% pickrate tho

[limber lion]

Or the best healers

I'll be surprised if anyone clears a 30

[slim hamlet]

That just makes spriest better

[limber lion]

with a guardian druid holy pala s priest combo or whatever

lol

[slim hamlet]

Wai0t

This is on live servers??

[runic hinge]

top 10% of keys is barely doing more than 20's

[limber lion]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

yikers

[limber lion]

You register

then you play normal games

normal mythic+

with a group that consists of non-meta chars

and then you push as high of a score in mythic+ as possible

and whoever gets the highest scores win

[slim hamlet]

Yea yea I get it

Just rough when no one got these alts really

[limber lion]

Yeah

[slim hamlet]

I guess it truly is for the weirdo mains

Well spriest is definitely in then

[limber lion]

That's why doing a super small pool of specs wouldn't really work

[slim hamlet]

Is it like the max io in the time or the highest key for each team?

[limber lion]

highest io in total

[slim hamlet]

And I am guessing they can't be for example aff in one key and destro in another?

[limber lion]

Should be fine

It just looks at all runs you've done that follows the 5x non-meta rule

and adds the score together

[slim hamlet]

Warlock + Druid/Rogue + Spriest + Holy Pala + Bear

gg ez

Not sure about druid since they might just die, but with all 3 of bear, pala and spriest it might work out

Kinda hyped to watch it now since it is on live

[junior aurora]

can also rock warlock/mage/spriest

[slim hamlet]

Yep

Fat int buff too

[junior aurora]

Doubt youd play holy pala

I think they’re ass rn

[limber lion]

Arcane?

[slim hamlet]

I just dont know how well arcane CDs is for these dungeons

[limber lion]

ehhh

[slim hamlet]

I know jack shit about mage

[limber lion]

doubt it

arcane is giga target capped

like cute big burst on 5 targets

[slim hamlet]

I mean holy pala is the only one making anyone survive anything was my thought

Depends what level of keys we talking

[junior aurora]

depends on the dungeon

[slim hamlet]

if not oneshotty then easy hpriest for me

[junior aurora]

there was a team running arcane in mdi

[slim hamlet]

Based

[junior aurora]

with warlock/mage/spriest you dont even need a healer

[slim hamlet]

The idea of not needing a healer just makes hpala better no?

[junior aurora]

idk do they do the most damage out of the specs left?

[slim hamlet]

0 idea

They're just the best at "oh shit" / preventing oneshots of the ones left

[subtle kettle]

If they are playing ret aura they probably beat the rest of the options

[slim hamlet]

Unless the priest change is bigger than I know

Haven't looked at it

[gusty mirage]

omg its me

I'm there

[limber lion]

Big

[royal lantern]

i was part of that once aswell

im famous now

[junior aurora]

thats not a pink icon

[deep meteor]

hey, for fyrakk mythic progress would you rather use ashes 483 or branch 489? like does the ilvl difference make up for the lack of convenience?

[royal lantern]

ashes

branch is BS as fuck on fyrakk

[deep meteor]

aight ty

yeah on the first tries we did, I always had to risk too much, but sim is so high compared to ashes

[dark token]

Maybe prevoker is good post buff

Could go like guardian druid, prevoker, ww, arms, enh or rogue

Seems good

[normal otter]

is there any chance sin will see some buffs for season 4? Just saw that they already patched some classes for season 4 but sin was not included at all.

[limber lion]

always a chance

but we're not devs so we don't know

your guess is as good as ours

[subtle tundra]

those buffs were for old tier sets, we get to play with s3 one

[gaunt sigil]

I don’t care about the sim lol, I just geared for ashes and use it all the time cause it’s so much nicer to use

[deep meteor]

seems to be the case for most people, I finally got it today

[leaden sundial]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[fossil light]

Hey quick questions: what are some things you assassination rogues wish was different with your specs? What are some things that feel bad (gameplay wise)

[royal lantern]

kingsbane is too much the main focus of the spec right now, the ability should do dmg, but sheesh, its just EVERYTHING right now, causing your gameplay outside of kingsbane to have 0 value cus nothing does any dmg anyway, and kingsbane itself is a giga rng fest cus of crit rng/proc rng/makes the spec a external spec, and you dont want to be a external spec

[clever sapphire]

sim wont make up for all the mental dmg i get from branch

[clever sapphire]

wdym, i enjoy a 2M kingsbane with 100% uptime on shiv/envenom and a 4.2M kingsbane with a 70% uptime

[royal lantern]

the swings

are just stupid

like mate, i litearlly had a 5.2M kingsbane last progress day

with 90%envenom uptime

meanwhile 100% envenom uptime sometimes doing 2M

all cus of RNG

[fossil light]

Sounds like some people like kingsbane and some dont; and would like some options to make that not forced

How about in AoE?

[royal lantern]

i like kingsbane, i dont like that its just waaay to much of your dmg

ability itself is cool

[fossil light]

I see

[clever sapphire]

its fun, until its the only fun

[royal lantern]

assa should do a bit more "general" dmg

and not just "only kingsbane"

kingsbane hitting good? good

kingsbane beeing everything? bad

[fossil light]

For sure, although it would also mean if damage is given outside of kingsbane windows it will likely be take away from kingsbane otherwise OP

Similar to hunters asking for more trueshot window damage

[royal lantern]

yes, thats how balance works

take dmg out of X and put it into Y and Z

[gusty mirage]

I wish the spec still did damage, the change led to kind of a boring gameplay loop where if it doesn't do big numbers it's not particularly exciting

Good thing about the damage being all KB, is when its a big number it feels good, but when it gets tuned down like it did you're like eh

[balmy condor]

It does

[gusty mirage]

uhuh

[gilded oasis]

Does damage to our mental every day

[gusty kestrel]

just get coached by whispyr

he can show u the way

[gilded oasis]

Yeah oxi get some coaching

[gusty kestrel]

clearly he knows stuff u dont

[runic hinge]

Yeah oxi pay for coaching with feet pics

[limber lion]

Personally for me the reason I fell in love with Assassination was the complex nature of maintaining bleeds and poisons on multiple targets.

I think my 2 favorite seasons were 8.3 (mainly because bleeds had a massive emphasis and were most of our damage, not Envenom/KB/Poison Bomb. Not a fan of the giga haste back then) and 9.2 because the way you did damage was spreading dots, maintaining CT and having to make decisions whether to use Rupture or Envenom depending on how long the target lives for instead of always defaulting to Envenom. I'm personally not a fan of Caustic Spatter + KB whatsoever because it just forces the player to ignore all bleed rules entirely and just focus on slamming cooldowns on cooldown on the biggest mob in every pack.

Just makes the rotation a bit stale in my opinion when the gameplay loop is always "spread 3 garrotes and then use all cooldowns on the biggest boy in every pack"

[subtle tundra]

i think whispyr is off the meds

[limber lion]

Instead of having to think whether or not you should hold cds for something important coming up. You just do the same thing every single time regardless of the pack size, cooldowns, what's coming up, team comp and so on. You might have VERY little variance because of the aforementioned things, but it's super small and usually it's always just "gar gar gar cooldowns, go next."

[gaunt sigil]

I like practically everything about Assa rn besides the reliance and KB and the dps loss of taking acrobatic strikes. I enjoy KB but I wish it wasn’t such an important factor in your overall dps

Plus it can get parried which makes me want to Kurt Cobain PoV

[steel ridge]

assassination currently feels great, the best it has been for years, imo. the only thing i dont like is not having acro available. everything else is comfy as heck! a revert of the early 10.2 nerfs would go a long way tho 🙂

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

I couldn't disagree more with every single point.

[balmy condor]

I can’t keep fighting it man the spec is perfectly fine

[gilded oasis]

How long have you been playing assassination? Just curious

[limber lion]

I hate this new phenomenon of people complaining about not having Acrobatic Strikes

[steel ridge]

4 years nonstop

[limber lion]

It's as if we've always had it and they suddenly removed it even though we had it for like one or two seasons.

lol

[clever sapphire]

agree, i couldnt care less about not having acro

[steel ridge]

i am not complaining, i just want to have it because its so close but yet so far

[limber lion]

It's true

They should remove it from the class tree entirely

and just give it to outlaw baseline

[steel ridge]

nah they should give it to every melee in the game

[gusty kestrel]

thats it, ure going on twitter again

mr. god complex

[limber lion]

Exposure is exposure, hope to see you in a concert some day :3

[gusty kestrel]

already got a seat reserved front row

[limber lion]

[subtle tundra]

MAN how i enjoyed 45s cd exsang

at the start of the expac

bring that BACK

i was using BLEEDS

[proven jasper]

I miss when BLEEDS did damage

[vestal wren]

remove KB, replace it with (i am joking)

[limber lion]

I think just removing the need to main-target one target for 16s straight in every single pack would help a lot.

[subtle tundra]

yea........................... imagine having to spread bleeds but youre in kb

meow

[runic hinge]

If you ain’t first you’re last

[balmy condor]

Feels like that’s the argument sometimes

[runic hinge]

I don’t think wow players can be happy

Except me. I enjoy the game a lot

[royal lantern]

did you just leak the deathstalker tree?????

[vestal wren]

don't give them ideas

[royal lantern]

sub with exsang

NOW you have gameplay bettwen dance

apply rupture even MORE OFTEN

[shy pecan]

[vestal wren]

reading through statements in here

do assassination mains now like subtlety more than assassiantion

because you have more dots to manage in aoe

i think cev mentioned the dot management to be his favorite part of the spec

[royal lantern]

are there even assa mains left after the barrage of nerfs

[gilded oasis]

Huh?

[proven jasper]

[gilded oasis]

Yes

[limber lion]

It's true. S2 Shadowlands with Deathspike, lovely.

wasn't super duper great for st though

[runic hinge]

Are you doing the meta achieve

[limber lion]

but the gameplay loop for aoe was perf

[gilded oasis]

The wha

[royal lantern]

elemental storm+forbidden reach+zaralek part alone is enough for me to not do it

[runic hinge]

For all of DF

[royal lantern]

sorry, but cba doing those shit bussy work achievments where you wait for rare spawns and rotation rng lol

[gilded oasis]

Probably. I like achievements so I usually do them. If not during the expansion then it's something I go back and work on in next expansions

[runic hinge]

This would be like veilstrider and only be available until the end of DF

[subtle tundra]

fuck...... i miss kevin...........

FUCK

[vestal wren]

bonespike palyed well in s1 too iirc (s1 sl)

[gilded oasis]

Then probably yes before end of df lol

Mmmm bonspike

[limber lion]

Talking about Deathspike in particular

SBS without Deathspike was a bit weird in AoE because you would have to make a choice between FoK and SBS, and 99% of the time FoK was just better

But with Deathspike it actively became part of your rotation and something to track and maintain

[runic hinge]

Fun. I think I’m gonna try for it as well

[vestal wren]

i found the beta version of sbs fun

[clever sapphire]

bring back deathspike

[clever sapphire]

fun fact, i enjoy spreading rupture on sub more than i do on assa

[proven jasper]

i wish rupture was more than just an energy machine for us in aoe

[vestal wren]

i think replicating range behaves weird

i noticed it on the most

if you play replicating but it does not replicate because of the range

even tho you as a player would assume it would

(it is a skill issue tho, just need to learn the ranges/spell)

[royal lantern]

wdym "skill issue"

blame blizz like everyone else

dont admit mistakes

smh my head

[haughty flicker]

god i hate blizzard

making me look bad

[vestal wren]

things beeing non obviouse is also a design decision

[royal lantern]

i hate this fucking game "logs in and plays it"

(i love wow btw)

[vestal wren]

so learning how each spell works is part of the wow exprience

tho i wish everything was intuitive

[gaunt sigil]

Agreed

I really wish there were more viable builds on more specs

Most specs have one tree that for the most part is far better than others

[royal lantern]

i mean, that will always be the case

cant really avoid it

at best some side options

[gaunt sigil]

I mean there will always be a BiS tree but I don’t see why we can’t have more valid options

[haughty flicker]

Because blizzard is afraid they’ll mess something up

[gaunt sigil]

That’s why I’m excited for hero talents

[haughty flicker]

That’s why they only make sweeping changes to abilities on major patches

[royal lantern]

they litearlly just made a UNTESTED HOLY PRIEST REWORK that nerfed 1 of the worst healers allready

[haughty flicker]

They could try to balance less used talents more frequently, but then they run the risk of making some abomination in the middle of the season

[haughty flicker]

Which kind of proves the point lmao

Prefer abominations to occur at the start of the patch so we can complain about them for months instead of losing complaint uptime

[gaunt sigil]

I’m just looking forward to hero talents being (hopefully) 2 separate play styles while still managing balanced gameplay

[royal lantern]

lol

[haughty flicker]

I’m looking forward to using one tree the whole time

[gaunt sigil]

It’s wishful thinking I know but I still have some faith

[royal lantern]

i pray that the trees will NOT do big gameplay changes

and just stay as shity passive things

[haughty flicker]

I just hope there isn’t one tree super far ahead for st and one super far ahead for aoe

[limber lion]

Poison Knife now applies a debuff that increases damage you deal by 10% for 10s

[royal lantern]

hahahahhahahahhhahahahahhahahahahahha

[royal lantern]

during cloak of shadows that bonus is increased to 30%

[gaunt sigil]

I just want some variability in talent choices, not just everyone save the talent tree to use the next year

I want there to be alternatives

[limber lion]

You have a low chance to proc Nature's Wrath which increases your agility by 29000 for 1s

[royal lantern]

mate, hero talents are litearlly just talent with a shity name put on them

there will be a clear best choice

you default into it

and forget it exists

[gaunt sigil]

There will always be a best, I’m not worried about that

I just want more talents to be more viable

[royal lantern]

if anything, hero talents make less talents viable

if, lets say the Deathstalker tree will go heavy into stealth stuff

well ok

shadowdance+kingsbane for burst is hardlocked now

[limber lion]

always has been

🔫

[royal lantern]

just a quick example Mr. Ravenholdt tyrant

like, look at trickster

[clever sapphire]

current trickster for outlaw is legit "play killingspree or dont play trickster"

[royal lantern]

that tree doesnt give outlaw more options when it says "play Killing Spree now"

1 of the trees means litearlly "you play killing spree"

and if the other tree has something simelar

its "play X talent on fatebound, or play killing spree on trickster"

[clever sapphire]

other tree gonna do the same with bladefury trust

[gaunt sigil]

I mean honestly that’s more variance than we have now

[clever sapphire]

outlaw has 2 builds currently tho

[royal lantern]

i dont see how getting hardlocked into specific talents is more variance?

[gaunt sigil]

Ok basically

[royal lantern]

i mean, i KINDA get what you mean

[gaunt sigil]

I want A build is best build

But B build is still viable

And C build is maybe an option sometimes

For the most part in raids rn, it’s A build always A build

[clever sapphire]

well assa has multiple M+ builds, so we kinda have variance

[gaunt sigil]

I like what outlaw has going rn where it has 2 viable builds.

[clever sapphire]

gonna be hard to find variance for raid

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah, that’s why I hope hero talents are relatively balanced between the two choices you have. I don’t care if one is better than the other

[royal lantern]

how is that different from how it is rn

[gaunt sigil]

Well rn most alternative builds are too big of a dps loss to play without throwing your team

In my ideal world there would be 2-3 builds you could play that all perform within let’s say up to 3% of each other

It’s unlikely and probably an insanely difficult task but I just think it could bring some more enjoyable builds. I think it be fun if you and a guildie were on the same spec, different build, but competitive with each other.

[balmy condor]

kinda what hero talents are

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah, that’s why I’m excited for them

[balmy condor]

inb4 one of them is just insano garbage

[gaunt sigil]

I’d cry

[balmy condor]

I swear to god if deathstalker is burst-centric but RNG

[royal lantern]

rogue allready has its mandatory "wtf is that shit, what did they think?" tree with trickster

its REALLY fucking hard to get worse then that

[balmy condor]

I will kill a villager in minecraft

[balmy condor]

trickster is fine

I like trickster

[royal lantern]

can we demote purple names

for beeing legit insane

[balmy condor]

you just press feint before dance and then move on with your life

being tanky during cds

idk

it's not that bad

most of the time I'm already pressing feint around my kb's

[runic hinge]

No no. You have to feint on cd or else you do zero damage

[balmy condor]

would basically just be the same thing

[gaunt sigil]

Inb4 They remove shadowdust from sub and put it on Deathstalker

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't mind that

would still be shit on sub

but shadowdust on assa is gud

[gaunt sigil]

I honestly think shadowdust would be fun on Assa

[runic hinge]

I wish we got veinripper or something like it. That might be cool

Probably too broken

[royal lantern]

what drugs did you feed whisp tonight

or is the lack of sleep finally killing his brain

[gaunt sigil]

Estrogen

[junior aurora]

shadowdust on assa lol “we heard you dont like doing little damage out of kb windows, so we got rid of the gap”

[gaunt sigil]

I personally wouldn’t mind that

[bronze pike]

trickster legit would be better for sin than it is for sub and outlaw

[balmy condor]

shadowdust on sub is a mess because sub cds are already a jumbled mess

but assa is very rigid

so

would be fine

[gaunt sigil]

^

[runic hinge]

Just speeds everything up

Sounds fine

[gaunt sigil]

Sub is such a mess

Sub has like 6 things you are trying to line together where Assa just goes

DM + KB go brrr

[haughty flicker]

they gave shadowdust to the one spec that doesnt want it

what a game

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah pretty much lol

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1101555284285063188.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

[strange python]

ok fellas this is a stupid question but 2 Betrayer's Cinderblade 1 at 476 (the ilvl im aiming to unlock trading the crests up) but i also use cruel dreamcarver but mine is from lfr (i think) and its 463 ill upgrade the second dagger to 476 but should i replace the dreamcarver since its a lower ilvl?

[shy pecan]

Sim it. But usually ilvl > everything in the early rounds of gearing.

[strange python]

ok ty ❤️

[frank basalt]

trying to setup my actionbars and shit, what do people normally put on the stealth bar that changes?

[unique sorrel]

imo i never use stealth bar

[balmy condor]

nothing

it's the same bar for me

[unique sorrel]

static bar is king

[frank basalt]

is there a way to disable it with default ui

or just copy paste the abilities

[balmy condor]

copy paste

[frank basalt]

ty

[gusty mirage]

hear me out, what if we had one CD at 2 minutes, one at 1.5 minutes, then 3 others at a minute with two of them reduced by spending combo points, and then we toss a 2 pointer that reduces all those CDs by 30s on a 2 minute CD

surely that wouldn't be an absolute clusterfuck

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s a disaster

But for assassination shadowdust would be chill

[gusty mirage]

actual spreadsheet spec now

[spice surge]

Most requested thing during ptr was to make flag a 1 min or a 2 min cd to alleviate some of this, but oh well

Trinkets not being affected by the dust cdr also fucks it (not that i think it should reduce it)

[dark token]

Its so chill when I play sin

Just 2 mins exactly the same every time

[balmy condor]

Lowkey don’t mind this if it were assassination but sub is such a jumble

[woeful meteor]

wouldn't dust just be kinda useless

just makes it a 90 sec spec instead of 2 min

with zero interesting gameplay interaction

[gusty mirage]

I mean outside of smolderon dust isn't very interesting for sub

dust just needs to be deleted

[woeful meteor]

double cold blood is nice

[balmy condor]

This alone is interesting enough

It’s not about making it a 90 sec or a 120 sec

[woeful meteor]

went crazy on Fyrakk today

[balmy condor]

It’s about having the choice to do that if the fight demands it

[woeful meteor]

Dustwalker Tierset in 11.0

Dustwalker in Sub/Sin tree

make sub CDs even worse

[gusty mirage]

why do you hate me

what did I ever do to you

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/m20i0W8.png

haha noob

get owned

[gusty mirage]

why are you 410 ilvl

[marble hemlock]

thats the number of parses bro

https://i.imgur.com/BI5AUfj.png

im

massive gamer on fyrakk

[gusty mirage]

oh

[woeful meteor]

was floorpov for all of p2

[blazing jewel]

that looks like my one attempt on smold with sin

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

im barely playing the game on fyrakk

[balmy condor]

Are you internal bleeding gamer

Or what

[marble hemlock]

calling everything in p2/p3

[marble hemlock]

ofc

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

i also dont get PI

or aug buffs outside of 2mins

cuz we have an unholy DK who is hogging the PIs

as he should

only 1 aug/priest is cringe af as assa

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[marble hemlock]

but idc, carrying the raid with my calls so

im doing my job

[woeful meteor]

with the amount of energy sub generates and spends during Blades, you just get 100% uptime and vanish is used to get 1 min flag, spec fixed

[gusty mirage]

I'm going to harm myself and its your fault Tamaran

[woeful meteor]

pls no

[spice surge]

Youre getting the starfish straight jacket

[balmy condor]

Why does this matter

[gusty mirage]

YES

[marble hemlock]

cause our raid performance is tuned around it?

[spice surge]

Does assa even have anything that aug doesnt attribute properly anymore?

[marble hemlock]

think at this point its all fixed

[balmy condor]

????????

[spice surge]

Shouldnt matter at all if you have an aug or not

[marble hemlock]

otuside of some absorbed dmg shenanigans

it doesnt effect parse% ofc

[balmy condor]

Tf are you talking about

[marble hemlock]

but our baseline is obviously lower since we scale harder with externals

[spice surge]

Ye but nothing assa specific right

[marble hemlock]

nah

[balmy condor]

Pi okay -10k

But Aug doesn’t matter for shit

[blazing jewel]

I HATE LIZARDS

[gusty mirage]

I'm telling Zuckerberg

get ready to get cancelled on meta nerd

[dark token]

For some reason my raid believes unholy dk pi is useless

[blazing jewel]

real

[marble hemlock]

not for parses, but who cares about parses. our baseline is just lower because we are a good aug/pi target. were not doing teh same dps as a feral baseline, because theres a certain expectation we'll be getting certain buffs

[dark token]

I don't bother to correct them since it means whenever I choose to play assa I auto get PI

Since we have one pi on a hunter and one "free pi that's useless"

[marble hemlock]

i mean its dk > bm > rogue, until execute at least

[dark token]

The two unholy dks in the group don't complain so

[marble hemlock]

so ye, unfortunate

our killtime is awful as well, need to shift CDs to use them at start of p3 and then on CD

instead of holding for BL

cuz missing out on one set of CDs that way

[gusty mirage]

doesn't uhdk have an execute talent similar to zold

[balmy condor]

That’s just not true

[marble hemlock]

ye

[marble hemlock]

then we would be doing more damage still than other classes, even without receiving externals. are we?

[balmy condor]

We’re an above average spec without receiving externals

[marble hemlock]

based on what?

cause sims certainly arent saying that

[balmy condor]

Logs?

Sims are really whack this patch cause there’s a lot of caustic cleaving and amp phases

[spice surge]

Blizz nerfed assa before fixing the aug stuff so their data was all silly

[marble hemlock]

ye

[balmy condor]

They know how much was affected

They’re able to do math just like we are

We also got tuned after the fix

Idk

I’m getting actually so sick of this conversation every day

Dooming that an objectively decent spec is somehow shit

For reasons that don’t make sense

[marble hemlock]

idk if im looking at volcoross, im sitting at the same percentile as other people in my raid, doing the same dps. but im getting PI. hard to feel like im "middle of the pack" at that point

same on nymue, which are kinda the only solid singletarget fights this tier to compare a baseline

[balmy condor]

How fast are you killing those bosses

[marble hemlock]

everything else is damage amp dogshit

i mean volcoross is 2 sets of CDs, 3:20 killtimer

nymue is 3sets, 5:10

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

Well it was the best spec, and now its a decent spec.

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[marble hemlock]

sorry if im not feeling like im middle of the pack if i do the same damage as other people while getting external'ed

[balmy condor]

But it’s far from shit

[gusty mirage]

the problem is when we're told that they don't balance around externals

when they very clearly balanced assassination around externals

[balmy condor]

They don’t

[gusty mirage]

how don't they

[balmy condor]

They didn’t

wdym how don’t they

[marble hemlock]

and if im bottom third without PI while parsing the same or higher than classes above me, i dont feel like a decent spec

[balmy condor]

They know what specs are getting pi

Are we just assuming blizzard is completely clueless about everything

[marble hemlock]

like, im not saying its terrible, but it doesnt feel great either

but tbf, thats largely due to how much stronger sub is by comparison, which isnt necessarily a baseline tuning thing, but just how this tier works with their cd timings

[gusty mirage]

When blizzard can prove to me they're not completely clueless, I'll stop assuming that

I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt because they're the devs

And I'm definitely not going to give anyone on the balance team the benefit of the doubt

this is the same balance team that over-nerfed assassination in season 1, and then we got to watch them buff 6 dif specs to levels that would've made pre-nerf assassination blush

[marble hemlock]

my main issue is that we were on the top early on, with fucked damage attributions specifically on caustic, and we got nerfed for that. repeatedly. despite not actually being at the top when not receiving externals then either. so yeah, the current situation feels a lot worse, thats just how it is.

i dont think id "doom" as much if we had started in this situation, but we didnt. and theres no justifiable argument for the repeat nerfs we received other than "it looked too good on the meters" when that was largely due to aug/pi at the time

[balmy condor]

I can say what I want

If y’all have your own thoughts then I can’t do anything about it

You want blizzard to prove it and I’m not blizzard

Is what it is

[marble hemlock]

agreed

[gusty mirage]

I mean my thoughts are my reality. When competing for a limited number of power infusions, and at best assassination does the same damage as sub w/ PI, I'm costing my raid DPS. Which makes it not an option for me

If they want to balance around heroic and externals, just say that. Don't lie to us and say "we don't balance around externals" because that's just simply untrue. Ask demo locks how they felt about that statement in 9.1

[ebon notch]

it was crazy how little damage demo locks were doing without PI

legit floor pov spec

[marble hemlock]

it was also much more egregious as is the case for us, thats for sure

assa largely got fucked becuase 2 important metrics showed it as an overperforming spec: we got all the externals ingame, so obviously we were way ahead there, and it showed highly in the first few weeks, because this is a good spatter tier, and spatter didnt redistribute aug buffs at all for like a month and a half.

so yeah, we looked good in game, we looked good on wclogs, so expectedly, we got nerfed. but if blizzard had all the numbers and knew how externals affected those results, i feel we wouldnt have seen 3 separate nerfs (while another non-PI rogue spec only got 1, and ended up outperforming us without PI), unless other things were teh reason for those nerfs. but until they actually say that, then yeah, ill go with "blame pi/aug". i just dont have any other information to go by

anyway, love yall

[balmy condor]

K

[oak tangle]

Whether or not the balancing is done on externals or not, it would not make a hell of a lot of sense to balance around mythic, the far superior significant majority don’t go past heroic. And as you say sub performs better which if you are mythic raiding that’s a sacrifice you’d more likely be willing to make.

[gusty mirage]

the first part of your statement makes absolutely no sense compared to the rest of it

When they claim they don't balance around externals, and they very clearly do balance around externals. That's problematic

[marble hemlock]

some games tune differently than others, but imo blizz has typically tuned around mythic, not heroic.

[gusty mirage]

I can stomach "We're nerfing this because it's too good with PI"

[marble hemlock]

or rather, blizz has tuned around "what is the spec capable of if played at the highest level"

[gusty mirage]

I can't stomach "Oh we're nerfing this because it's overperforming" because that's a broad statement and applies to much more than just heroic raid

[oak tangle]

I meant that I’m not commenting on whether or not they do balance around that, purely that having the specs balanced at heroic and below is a far more important concern

[gusty mirage]

Sure, then communicate that

Shadowy implications from vague statements made over the years is a shitty way to relay how you plan on balancing the game

[marble hemlock]

dunno if id agree with that, so far ive always gotten the feeling that theyre tuning around specs played at a >90percentile level, or their representation in highend content

[gusty mirage]

I mean they very clearly balance around heroic raid

and have done so since SL

but they won't explicitly say it, for whatever reason

[marble hemlock]

i mean if its parsing in heroic raid, thats still mythic raiders who are doing those parses, init?

[gusty mirage]

The frustration comes from their communications treating me like I'm stupid

[marble hemlock]

so unless theyre tuning around the 40-60th percentile performance of specs in heroic, i dont really see a difference between "tuning for heroic" or "tuning for mythic"

[gusty mirage]

I believe the implication is they balance around the 75th percentile in heroic

[fallow canopy]

don't worry guys Oracle priest will surely save the externals

[gusty mirage]

but that's just speculation

[marble hemlock]

due to how much overlap there is, and how often mythic raiders still do do heroic especially early on. the first heroic parses dont come from heroic raiders, they coem from mythic raiders doing heroic

[gusty mirage]

because words are hard ig

[oak tangle]

The difference is a 5-10 % swing is acceptable in heroic, but in mythic you would not take something that performs that far apart

[marble hemlock]

so if the tuning in week 1/2 is based on heroic, thats still very much mythic raiders, cause the heroic raiding guilds dont even clear heroic week1

[gusty mirage]

like the initial KB nerf that dropped this tier, I wasn't even upset

it needed the nerf

[marble hemlock]

100%

spatter as well

[gusty mirage]

but the aura nerf + the auto attack damage nerf

that came after they already nerfed it twice

like bro

[marble hemlock]

kb/spatter nerfs were more than fine imo, the rest... well, its been talked to death

[ebon notch]

the tuning this tier is honestly pretty impressive

statistically speaking

[marble hemlock]

overall i think their tuning has gotten a lot better

it was never atrocious, really. tuning like 20 different specs to be within 10% of each other is already impressive enough

it just feels bad to get bonked multiple times twice in the same expansion and then see most of the other classes eclipse you.

didnt expect to see the s1 nerf situation repeated immediately in s3. but it is what it is, wcyd.

[fallow canopy]

in VotI there was a warlock spec that also paid the price for PI sins right?

[ebon notch]

eh there have been some tiers where the balance kinda

felt like it took a back seat

[marble hemlock]

not really

[fallow canopy]

oh I must have misremembered mb

[marble hemlock]

both uhdk and demo in voti and specifically aberrus, were kinda left alone for the remainder of the patch

despite being insanely busted with pi/aug

[gusty mirage]

that was demo in sanctum of domination

[marble hemlock]

ye

[gusty mirage]

they got blasted where demo was actually tank dps without PI

[marble hemlock]

demo in sod got absolutely demolished, when it was largely PI and shards that made it skyrocket to the moon

which was unfortunate cuz it meant that most guilds ended up playing at least 2 warlocks, typically 3, while not having enough PIs for every one of them every boss or the following tier, and that just meant that you basically wanted to end your life if you didnt get PI as the third warlock

thankfully its not nearly as bad for us now, we "only" lose like 5%

[fallow canopy]

at least you can play sub if you are on the super competitive tier

[marble hemlock]

i dont want to tho :x

but thats a me-issue ofc

[junior aurora]

always feels bad when the solution is to re roll

[marble hemlock]

i mean its not a reroll

but rogues in general have been way more spec-focused htan other classes

[fallow canopy]

fair at the end of the day its a game and playing the class that's more fun to you its best

[marble hemlock]

its been normalized for mages or warlocks or hunters to swap specs

[ebon notch]

i mean this iteration of sub is actually insane

[marble hemlock]

for rogues that wasnt really ever the case, cause for the most part, rogue only had 1 functional pve spec in raids for a long ass time

[junior aurora]

maybe its playerbase amount

[ebon notch]

its so flexible while having such massive burst windows

[marble hemlock]

nah its just... we never had more than 1 functioning raid spec

sub was a meme except for the second half of cataclysm and parts of wod, so the viable pve spec typically bounced between combat or assa

and then since legion it was just kinda assa dominated for like 6 tiers

outlaw didnt find its niche (and id argue still hasnt) since the rework in legion

[junior aurora]

its niche was m+ blasting in bfa

but then they keep fucking with it

[marble hemlock]

even that was just because they bandaid fixed it with wits

the baseline outlaw in bfa was unplayable as well

[fallow canopy]

streets will never forget cannon barrage

[junior aurora]

outlaw in bfa m+ with deadshot was totally playable

[ebon notch]

blame outlaw for not being prog viable at a high level

[marble hemlock]

in s1?

no one played outlaw in s1

[cursive frost]

just reverting the 3% nerf would make me happy

[junior aurora]

m+ in s1 sucked anyway

dogshit seasonal

[cursive frost]

but we will see how we are tuned in s4

[runic hinge]

Blizzard is just a bunch of mbas in suits saying “sub should be good again”

[marble hemlock]

sure, but it doesnt change the fact that outlaw was a dead spec in s1

until wits came around

(and sub was taken out back and shot in the face 173 times)

[gusty mirage]

remember when the poisoned knife/shuriken toss azerite trait was one shotting people in s1?

s1 bfa wasn't real, and no one can make it real

[junior aurora]

dont think we're going to see much tuning in s4

[marble hemlock]

ye i mean it was just sub funnel and assa sstuff

[junior aurora]

esp not for specs that are using current tier set

[spice spire]

It can hurt you

[cursive frost]

a man can dream lol

[frank basalt]

is it normal to be incredibly energy starved while levelling?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[spice spire]

It’s returning in classic

Yes

Very

[junior aurora]

rogue levelling is miserable

[marble hemlock]

yep

[junior aurora]

just play sub probably and one shot things to max? or outlaw maybe

[marble hemlock]

one of the reasons its one of the least played classes. its just not a fun class to level

[frank basalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/584896494306459658.webp?size=64

[gusty mirage]

sub and outlaw are the preferred leveling specs

[junior aurora]

i mean i dont think any dot based spec is a good levelling spec

[gusty mirage]

and even then its kinda miserable

[frank basalt]

do i just cope and spam dungeons to max or something

[marble hemlock]

boomie and lock both are good cause you just dot up 10 mobs and kite them

cant really do that as assa

[spice spire]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

ye outlaw in dungeons is pretty solid

[junior aurora]

even lock you can just go demo and kill the mobs without needing to kite them

[frank basalt]

took me like 40 mins to sort keybinds dont wanna do it again for a diff spec lol

[marble hemlock]

throughout all stages of the leveling

[junior aurora]

and druid just go tank and tank dungeons to max

[frank basalt]

i mean specifically for assassination

[marble hemlock]

sure. its not about whats best, but if its actually possible. youi can totally do the dotting and kiting/stacking shit up thing with those specs

and it works

for assa, it doesnt

[runic hinge]

I leveled to 70 as sub lol

Shadow strike evis and whatever is dead

[junior aurora]

yeah i mean rogue is probably also the worst open world spec

you aint soloing shit

[marble hemlock]

[ebon notch]

unless you kill it in 2 shadowstrikes lmao

[frank basalt]

open world assassination honestly feels like i'm playing classic

lmao

[marble hemlock]

but, and this is important

its waaaay better than it used to be before the dragonflight talent rework

[runic hinge]

Holy moly two games in one

[marble hemlock]

it was a lot more miserable in previous expacs

[junior aurora]

lol

previous xpacs were bad

[marble hemlock]

still remember getting fan of knives at like level 60 or smth

[junior aurora]

70

[marble hemlock]

no aoe builder for 50+ levels

[junior aurora]

bc they just never changed the level you got it at since tbc

[marble hemlock]

and the worst of all

getting venomous wounds at level 53 or smth

no energy on dot ticks for 50 levels, that was good stuff

[fallow canopy]

anyone that did/is doing fyrakk m, do you hold your 3rd DM for infernal or send it on boss before he flies up?

[balmy condor]

Depends what the goal is

I’m on add duty so I send kb on dark colossus for the first set, and kb+dm on dark colossus for second set

If you don’t need the aoe damage send it on the boss

[fallow canopy]

I see thanks, mostly just getting a feel for the timings rn since we are finally and barely getting through the first set of adds

[oak tangle]

Yeah there is 2 sides to levelling, rogue, and dh
1v1 battle to the death or pull massive packs and heal for 20% health every time you kill something

[marble hemlock]

ye its basically...
1st on pull
2nd in intermission
3rd on boss between addwaves
4th on bloodlust
5th when ready (if fight lasts long enough)

the alternative to that is to pop the 3rd DM on the 2nd adds instead like whispyr said, its still ready again for BL

with how the bosskilltimes work out these days, many guilds dont get that 5th last DM anymore, so you should pop the 4th at beginning of p3 instead (youre usually holding on to that for like a minute or so just to line it up with BL+execute) and then use the 5th when it comes off cd

[gaunt sigil]

Im so close to top 50 in hero

If only I had consistent wft/pi, its almost always either one or the other or sometimes none

Not like hero parses matter that much but I am still trying

[runic hinge]

My kill timers for heroic are just insanely bad

[gaunt sigil]

Cant wait for reclear

Gonna kill the dumb dragon on assa this time

I hate sub so much, I shouldnt have played it but I did so many reps on in the guild lead said I should just stay sub and not troll

I honestly think I woulda done more damage as assa

Im just so garbo at the other 2 rogue specs

I dont really care to master outlaw and sub is just a mess

I only kinda learned outlaw cause its easier to pug keys, but anytime its a premade I just go assa

[clever sapphire]

I once got kicked for being specced outlaw. Because most of my rio was with assa, and i barely had any outlaw keys

[strange python]

Hello friends i have the branch trinket from the m+ dungeon (wod one with the plants) but its a bit rough to use it is the one from the dawn of the infiite better? i mean i can sim but is it less work to use it?/

cuz you gotta kite the orbs with the branch etc

[steel ridge]

mirror from dawn is just click and boom, but the cooldown is 3 minutes and that brings its own problems

ideally you want ashes of the embersoul, which is the perfect middleground of those two

(ease of use, 2minutes, powerlevel)

[strange python]

yeah got no luck with the embersoul

did normal today but got the cataclysm one from the vault

[steel ridge]

how many smolderon kills in total?

[strange python]

think 2

lol, this is a brand new character. switched to rogue this month after a lot of years of just playing lock

[steel ridge]

well, then you are not unlucky, just early

[strange python]

someone in the raid was helping their friend when it dropped so they rolled on it

just unlucky

[steel ridge]

stick with the branch and just passively collect the orbs if you dont want to play the minigame

they will reach you if you dont sprint to china

[strange python]

lol kk

imma farm the dungeon

[steel ridge]

i thought you already have branch?

[strange python]

yeah but its a lower version once it dropped a better one

for a hunter

[clever sapphire]

I mean easiest way to play branch is move to the left, move to the right, wait for the last

[strange python]

his was like 460+ but the upgrade was lower

[steel ridge]

its the end of the season, its a brand new character, you will be fine with a 463 branch for now

[strange python]

so i thought maybe with this one i can get to 476

[steel ridge]

in like 3-4 weeks or something you will put all your gear in the bin

and get showered in 500+ ilvl gear

[strange python]

oh crap

[steel ridge]

so enjoy your gameplay and dont look at the numbers, improve as a rogue.

[strange python]

ill do that. experience will come with time and pratice

trying to play warlock now feel someone broke my knees

[steel ridge]

ye rogue is pretty mobile

[sick garnet]

Nice transmogg, i bet the gas mask from the love is in the air event would look good with it

[clever sapphire]

btw signet is a "sim bait", its only good if a fight goes on for 5+ minutes, so i would replace it with any other statstick if you have one

[steel ridge]

ashes + pips = goated

[clever sapphire]

after having experienced ashes, i cant go back to branch

even if sim says that branch is better

[normal otter]

Sorry for asking this stupid question, but I can’t check it myself right now. Is season 4 ptr already out?

[steel ridge]

no

[clever sapphire]

i have progressed even further, convinced my officers that i should just go onto the shadow golem because fire golem dies too fast

[dark token]

Ideally you cd the boss anyway, one kingsbane is acceptable tho

[clever sapphire]

well im happy with my progress already

i started with kicking add and focusing fire golem

than i got away from kick

now i even get to send CD on an add thats gonna live it

and if we get to the point where we are wiping because we need more boss dmg, i can just tell them that i could do more boss dmg

[worthy cobalt]

trying to practice kingsbane on training dummies, but I feel like Details! aren't showing the correct numbers always on testing dummies? Is it just me coping or is this a fact?

sometimes im hitting 1.7 mil, sometimes i get 200k, when I feel like I'm doing the same thing (also recording it and reviewing)

Sure, there is RNG - but this much..?

Anyway, fams, which combination of these would you run? (479 ilvl)
raid / m+

as discussed above, Embersoul is nice - but would you pair it with sandglass or pip, given that Sandglass is 483?

[clever sapphire]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

good kb tracker

but 200k should never happen

like you would have to go afk for that

do you by any chance press vanish at the end sometimes

that resets your details

now only 1 tick shows

[worthy cobalt]

Ahhh, that must be it

Good thinking, makes sense

[clever sapphire]

also i would personally run ashes and either sandglass or pips depending on a sim

[worthy cobalt]

seems to be 1.8k more dps on sandglass in sims 😄

[clever sapphire]

assumed so

well got your answer in that case

[worthy cobalt]

and 700 more dps with branch but harder to pull off perfectly

min/maxing? more like minimal maxing :3

[clever sapphire]

feck branch

ashes ftw

[worthy cobalt]

the WA was great, thanks!

[clever sapphire]

also just a fun fact for you, you can have a 2M kb on opener with everything perfectly hit, and you could have a 4M kb opener with only 70% uptime

[worthy cobalt]

I'm 479, idk which numbers i should be pulling honestly... I feel like I know how to do everything and in general I feel like I am doing decently. But the dps meters dont always agree

Is it just Assassination life?

[limber lion]

branch ain't that difficult

you just pick up the 2 orbs instantly and then afk

[subtle tundra]

but it sure can fucking suck!

[limber lion]

No, Assassination has some variance but not that much.

But Assassination is currently the lowest simming spec in the game

So there's that

[worthy cobalt]

Yah, I'm using that as copium

I was looking forward to the 10.2.6 buffs

😐

me_irl

[clever sapphire]

or you could just not play branch and enjoy it

[limber lion]

I enjoy doing dps and don't mind it

You just press w for a second and that's it

But yeah, take this with a grain of salt. All classes have their own apl's and whatnot, but this is kinda what the dps charts look like atm

[clever sapphire]

its probably not that big of a deal, but i havent seen anything besides the last 2 bosses for months now, and you wont catch me playing branch there

[limber lion]

Most classes are like within 10k dps, then there's Assassination that's massively behind everything

[clever sapphire]

i remember when people were complaining how outlaw is simming so far ahead of everyone, now he is in 5th place

how times change

[worthy cobalt]

Are we excited for our s4 raid set? I was on break during that period, so I haven't played with it. I noticed there were no changes to in in the patch. Are we going to our deserved #1 spot ya think?

[steel ridge]

if it wasnt for big amp phases and lust in execute, assassination would probably be bottoming out in the wcl statistics

[worthy cobalt]

Oh wait, is it the Lurking Spectre? I played Subelty on that patch... The assa set seems to not be very interesting? More damage without needing to think

[limber lion]

It's the same set as you currently use

Nothing changes

Everything stays the same

[worthy cobalt]

HUH

[limber lion]

The set you use was voted for by the community

[worthy cobalt]

isn't s4 near gear going to recycle s2

[limber lion]

Every class has a tier set from season 1-3 that was voted for in the community

[subtle tundra]

💀

[worthy cobalt]

ooooOOOooohh???

[spice spire]

No

[limber lion]

But the community voted for s3

[worthy cobalt]

😂 okay, I didn't realize. Thanks!

[limber lion]

So it's gonna be the same thing

Nothing's changing

[subtle tundra]

reading comprehention strikes again

[worthy cobalt]

aight, cool

[limber lion]

comprehension

nice one Varas

[spice spire]

I can’t read

[subtle tundra]

i am not english

[worthy cobalt]

more like not having even read the information in the first place lol

[subtle tundra]

i am excused

[limber lion]

it's true

[worthy cobalt]

i just saw the patch notes, and everyone had shadow crucible gear tweaked

[subtle tundra]

oh so its an S instead of a T

noted ✅

[worthy cobalt]

so i did some assumations

aka assumptions

[subtle tundra]

some season 1 and some season 2

[worthy cobalt]

yah, makes sense now, thanks

[limber lion]

I don't see the appeal in the current tier set so that's a bit sadge

but it is what it is'

[worthy cobalt]

so is our s3 set the best or wot? we're at the bottom.jpeg
(which might be for spec reasons, of course, but still)

[limber lion]

People didn't vote for a number

They voted for the design

[subtle tundra]

as long as it isnt season 2 im aight, i hated the concept of dmg increase after DM

[limber lion]

So all the s1 and s2 sets got buffed or nerfed accordingly

We will still be at the bottom and nothing will change

Unless we get buffed

[subtle tundra]

as cev said, the vote wasnt for the numbers just for the effect, thats why sets from other seasons got buffed

[limber lion]

Very typical that a spec that favors PI gets mega nerfed and then people move on to PI other targets

[subtle tundra]

kb needs a nerf, bleeds a buff

[clever sapphire]

you could just buff bleeds and leave kb as it is, its not like we are so strong that some ability would require a nerf for us to get a "buff"

[limber lion]

No but the gameplay loop of KB is cringe

so might as well

[subtle tundra]

too much rng swing from kb, nerfing it makes it less ;3

[clever sapphire]

well the rng swing gonna be the same, now its gonna swing between 1.5M and 3.5M instead of 2M and 4M. I agree with cev tho

but im not sure that nerfing kb would make us not play kb or play it any differently

[limber lion]

That's not how it would work

It would not go from 2-4M to 1.5M-3.5M

More like 1.5M-3.2M

or even 3M

or whatever

[limber lion]

Yeah most likely not in single target for sure

[clever sapphire]

my brain is too far into raid, havent been in m+ for quite some time

i see the point now

rework bonespike to deathspike too while at it

even more bleeds to manage

(ik bonespike is permanent but you get my point)

[limber lion]

Deathspike was actually fun and good

[subtle tundra]

deathspike 🤤

[limber lion]

Swap Sepsis/SBS where Doomblade is

And make Doomblade into Deathspike/Toxic Onslaught

depending on which talent you use

dank

[clever sapphire]

would be pog

i enjoyed both deathspike and sepsis in SL

even played sepsis in keys in S4, it was hella cursed but i enjoyed seeing a big sepsis during dmg phases

tried making it work on smolderon, but its just not it

[subtle tundra]

deathspike in SL made low target cleave fun

it was a way to get full CP from 1 button guaranteed

even if limited, made openers fun

[clever sapphire]

funnily enough, for me it wasnt even that i got full cp from it. I just enjoyed the animation for some reason

it was fun to spam bonespikes

[strange python]

• is better than the combo im rolling with now

[clever sapphire]

ye its gonna sim better

[limber lion]

Branch + Sandglass is bis

[clever sapphire]

but besides the last 3 bosses and maybe council you wont get much value out of signet

[strange python]

nice ty, i got signet from vault and embers, not so lucky

[gusty mirage]

PREACH BROTHER

[spice spire]

Cev took a large sip of based juice this am

[dark token]

Do any trees have trio choice nodes?

[clever sapphire]

you mean a choice between 3 abilities?

[royal lantern]

no....?

[dark token]

Yeah this

[clever sapphire]

nah

[dark token]

I'm just curious if any did that

Might be interesting for covenant abilities or something

[clever sapphire]

not even druid

you could just make it baseline that covenant abilities have their legendary effects

since those made the abilities more fun

and more fun is better

[royal lantern]

stop right there

[clever sapphire]

never

my brain has been fried from fyrakk

cant stop wont stop

[royal lantern]

fun

in my videogames

[clever sapphire]

ik right

it should be a chore

[royal lantern]

why play videogames if you dont feel miserable 24/7

[clever sapphire]

i play league, i get my daily dose of salt and rage from there

[glossy dust]

@normal otter

[royal lantern]

@glossy dust

[glossy dust]

who the hell is u

[royal lantern]

[glossy dust]

[harsh harbor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[desert blaze]

Hey guys, new here, apologize if this has been asked multiple times. Are you guys pressing your ashes trinket with kingsbane? Thank you for your time

[runic hinge]

Yes. You can macro it right to KB

[dark token]

i dont recommend this as it offsets your ashes from deathmark if you ever use kingbsnae without deathmark

like in keys this situation happens pretty often

i tried macroing it and it was offset every assa key i did

[keen spruce]

in raid it's fine

except on like smold where you KB without deathmark

on pull

but yeah in keys

[dark token]

ye so its better to just have it unmacrod

[keen spruce]

it can get pretty bad

[dark token]

its one button press

sin isn't that piano key heavy

it's fine

[keen spruce]

it's also better to hit it a few seconds after KB anyways

so having it's own bind is just better regardless of desyncing

but also i just bind that shit cuz i'm gonna be in fyrak prison until the end of the tier anyways

[dark token]

next tier too

[keen spruce]

i'm not playin next tier

[haughty flicker]

Next tier lmao

[gaunt sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/chibi-chibi-cat-chibi-chibi-chaba-chaba-chibi-chibi-chaba-chaba-ruby-ruby-raba-raba-silly-cat-chibi-cat-gif-17753216221998742537

[spice surge]

How did they do no cooking on s4 though

[balmy condor]

HUH

[clever sapphire]

awh my gawd, we saw p3

for like 1 milisecond

but

we saw it

boss dies in the next hour surely

back to p1 wipes

YAY

[gaunt sigil]

Fyrakk? Expected

[clever sapphire]

yap

it was just hopium

[royal lantern]

another 10% pull

into intermission wipes

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[clever sapphire]

they even took my pi

and gave it to a dk

[gaunt sigil]

I got banned from PI after smold cause of Assa nerfs

We have 2 and they go to UDK and BMH

[clever sapphire]

what a coincidence

same

[gaunt sigil]

Even though I parse much better than both they get PI

[clever sapphire]

same

im usually above the dk

[gaunt sigil]

Im just hoping our UDK doesn’t care to reclear

I’m bout ready to pay for PI, WFT and Aug

The other day I got PI on arms warrior

Like where is that shit when I’m on my rogue