I'm willing to lose my remaining IQ for shit like that though
#assassination
shy pecan
marble hemlock
all 3 of them?
shy pecan
Yeee
spice spire
U shut ur mouth
marble hemlock
gusty mirage
U shut ur mouth
wtf
spice spire
Don’t disrespect Edward like that
gusty mirage
don't you just roll in here
spice spire
?
gusty mirage
acting like you got clout kid
marble hemlock
he does this all the time
bronze pike
QUAKE
shy pecan
❤️ Seli
marble hemlock
hes like the koolaid pitcher, just randomly bursts through the wall when no one wanted him in
gilded oasis
I am literally the definition of clout
you spelt gout wrong
shy pecan
spice spire
didnt avoid my meat last night
Yeah I did, ur mum was too busy climbing my ropes bud
marble hemlock
she still tastes great for a 60y old doesnt she
gusty mirage
I am literally the definition of clout
What the fuck did you just fucking say about Seli, you little bitch? I'll have you know Seli graduated top of his class in the Navy Seals, and he's been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and he has over 300 confirmed kills. He is trained in gorilla warfare and he's the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to him but just another target. He will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to him over the Internet? Think again, fucker.
shy pecan
Bye
woeful meteor
1.9% inplayable
misty holly
I'm just happy we dodged a second 3% aura nerf. Celebrate boys! 🎉
gusty mirage
I'm eating lunch
can I yoink for a pin in sub
quiet oar
So whisp
bronze pike
Truly sub is in shambles
quiet oar
You basically saying sub is dead now
thorn fjord
I'm eating lunch
Given the time it’s more like supper
quiet oar
And rogue in General shouldnt be brought to raid
gusty mirage
I'm yoinking anyway
drifting cloud
cant believe they didnt buff shiv dmg by 6%
gusty mirage
shy pecan
can I yoink for a pin in sub
No one's stopping you 🙂
spice spire
What the fuck did you just fucking say about Seli, you little bitch? I'll have y...
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Ed. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
royal lantern
cant believe they didnt buff shiv dmg by 6%
YOOOOOOOOOOOO TINIY TOXIC BLADE GAMING
the MW change is kinda oof
6% flat nerf
shy pecan
It’s so weird sub going crazy with all these people that I don’t ever recall being in there
royal lantern
It’s so weird sub going crazy with all these people that I don’t ever recall bei...
FotM monkeys
spice spire
It’s so weird sub going crazy with all these people that I don’t ever recall bei...
Real
royal lantern
the same people that cry X IS NOT VIABLE all the time and are 100% serious about it
royal lantern
Rogue is dead now in raid
ah shit AGAIN???
wild lantern
bro I'm tryna take a shit and I get three fucking pings in here @gusty mirage @balmy condor tf you two on about
quiet oar
Now we are forced to play ret
I would rather quit wow
gusty mirage
bro I'm tryna take a shit and I get three fucking pings in here <@19205909527933...
3.24 gaming or what
you too busy posting about horses in d4 still?
wild lantern
what the fuck is 3.24
gusty mirage
POE YOU FUCKING HEATHEN
quiet oar
ah shit AGAIN???
royal lantern
bro I'm tryna take a shit and I get three fucking pings in here <@19205909527933...
was it a good shit?
spice spire
@wild lantern on national women’s day?!
wild lantern
when it start
gusty mirage
most likely march 29th
spice spire
Girls don’t poop tf
gusty mirage
you think you can fit some leveling in between your horse posting for wowhead?
wild lantern
<@189169390397292544> on national women’s day?!
born to shit forced to wipe homie
wild lantern
was it a good shit?
actually yes, been drinking prebiotic soda and it makes a difference
wild lantern
spice spire
born to shit forced to wipe homie
I ain’t wiped a day in my life big dog
shy pecan
Tryan…
wild lantern
I ain’t wiped a day in my life big dog
it's the coffee
limber lion
Ya'll need Jesus
spice spire
That’s true
wild lantern
most likely march 29th
theoretically...? @balmy condor does this look like a good league or what
I haven't seen shit
spice spire
its 2am assa time
Nah we’re still 2 hours off of demon time
shy pecan
Goddamn you people in the future...
limber lion
I haven't seen shit
No one has
wild lantern
bro it's 7:30pm I had an energy drink for the first time in like 13 years at 1pm and I'm still twitchiing
spice spire
Sucks
shy pecan
royal lantern
made my character for DD2 allready
bronze pike
Whispyr do a 1min sim
royal lantern
bronze pike
:)
spice spire
Whispyr is at lunch
limber lion
bro it's 7:30pm I had an energy drink for the first time in like 13 years at 1pm...
I had 3 energy drinks today and I feel nothing
spice spire
I had 3 energy drinks today and I feel nothing
Ur real for that
limber lion
Whispyr do a 1min sim
Do it yourself
royal lantern
Whispyr do a 1min sim
do 28sec
wild lantern
I had 3 energy drinks today and I feel nothing
brother I would ascend to the molecular plane
spice spire
No man
royal lantern
nah kb is still running at 10sec
limber lion
brother I would ascend to the molecular plane
Sounds like a good time ngl
spice spire
Ur more based by the second damn
gusty mirage
Sounds like a good time ngl
she's a coward
sitting there freaking out over 1 energy drink
that she drank over like 3 hours
meanwhile I had 2 cups of coffee and a ghost energy by 10am
and I'm falling asleep at 7pm
earnest remnant
i downed 4 cups of coffee in 45min today
blazing jewel
Time for smelling salts
earnest remnant
ama
gusty mirage
i downed 4 cups of coffee in 45min today
what roast darkness?
royal lantern
meanwhile im sitting here and feel my heart going crazy for drinking some cola
gusty mirage
the lighter the roast the more caffeine btw
royal lantern
y'all are crazy
gusty mirage
smol trick I learned slinging coffee
shy pecan
Oh, I guess being like 6'9", drinking that much coffee doesn't mean much
earnest remnant
i just drink it
gusty mirage
prolly medium or dark roast then
royal lantern
<a:catHuh:1082978429575626792>
idk man
probably getting a heart attack for drinking 2 energy drinks or shit like that 
spice spire
smol trick I learned slinging coffee
The bucks comin in
blazing jewel
Time to shake in my chair with anticipation for my energy bar to refill
royal lantern
"shake"
gusty mirage
Really?
ye longer the coffee roasts the more caffeine is released from the bean
so super dark roast actually has the least amount of caffeine
shy pecan
Ahh, gotcha gotcha
gusty mirage
despite tasting more like dirt than other blends
shy pecan
gusty mirage
starbucks also saves that caffeine that's released and sell it to bayer for excedrine btw lol
shy pecan
lol
oak tangle
lol starbucks
keen spruce
shy pecan
Sup Shmeeps
thorn fjord
Prob just left sub channel
shy pecan
winged sun
<:kekdog:907207037757296710>
Are u the dog in the emote
shy pecan
Are u the dog in the emote
is a shiba inu, mine is a samoyed in a raincoat
winged sun
Its not a cat
blazing jewel
Prove it
winged sun
Can it meow?
shy pecan
blazing jewel
Idk find out
winged sun
Maybe hes just a wolf that went to dog school and had a cat friend
So now he knows both languages
blazing jewel
Inconclusive evidence
royal lantern
wtf face reveal??
gusty mirage
@blazing jewel oxibrew is so large
shy pecan
How does WW do so much ST damage in keys?
shy pecan
Yeah just didn’t expect them to be blasting ST damage as well
gusty mirage
toes set too stronk
pastel quiver
Ugh, I keep getting cooked in keys. I just don't get it. This was a 13 BRH.
balmy condor
13
runic hinge
Do more damage and don’t die. That helps
Bring specs that are worse than yours so you can pad overall
dark token
Ugh, I keep getting cooked in keys. I just don't get it. This was a 13 BRH.
Screenshot build and gear
Tho honestly it's prob ur execution that's missing but every little bit helps
pastel quiver
Screenshot build and gear
balmy condor
swap out the dtb stuff for zoldyck/arterial
you go for this and then just play for the bleed damage
in keys that low your kingsbane is never going to have time to ramp and you're never gonna be able to get the caustic damage from it
just not possible
pastel quiver
gotcha I will copy that
balmy condor
and then you're gonna basically just try to get out your gar/ct/cds as fast as possible
the faster the better
if it's a big pull you just gar -> gar -> crimson tempest
and then slam the biggest guy in the pack with dm/kb
get rupture up while the kb is ramping up for the caustic
biggest thing to remember is that while there is a huge ramp you can technically do for kb/deathmark, getting up all your bleeds first, then building for an envenom, getting the envenom off then deathmark and then shiv and then kb and you tea the last 5 and you vanish the last 3
no one cares about your perfectly executed 25 second opener if the targets dead in 15
so you just gotta yolo all that shit
and go wild
slam the cooldown even if it's gonna be ugly just to get it on cooldown and doing something
pastel quiver
okay thanks, definitely made a difference lol
balmy condor
okay thanks, definitely made a difference lol
rotund oak
Trying to find sin in class tuning 
balmy condor
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bro fuck this cat
get off my shit
worldly sail
0000
royal lantern
get off my shit
rotund oak
get off my shit
Lin owns u 
desert inlet
subtle tundra
bro fuck this cat
ill fucking kiss you
limber lion
bro fuck this cat
no thanks
royal lantern
what if it was a dog
rotund oak
So many questions that seek answers
gaunt moat
Hi new to rogue.
Is sub bad now? Should i play sin?
rotund oak
No one can tell you what to play my man,both are cool,sin is easier sub is harder and still viable 🙂
gaunt moat
I only play what's best
rotund oak
For what content
gaunt moat
Everything
rotund oak
https://tenor.com/view/fish-hook-fish-hook-gif-20645756
ahahhahahahahahahahahah
U cringers
./vanish
royal lantern
Hi new to rogue.
Is sub bad now? Should i play sin?
rogue ded play paladin
tier lists put ret at S tier
clever sapphire
Ret was played in the mdi, assa/outlaw didnt and sub barely did
So by default ret is the play
Quick maths
royal lantern
rotund oak
dark token
How do regulars not know each other
They are roleplaying
royal lantern
They are roleplaying
thats my excuse now for every single time when i say something really stupid
"hey, i just RP as an idiot"
sharp viper
"hey, i just RP as an idiot"
I'm an idiot RPing as someone slightly less of an idiot
tepid hornet
can u reset boss without takin off poisons?
limber lion
can u reset boss without takin off poisons?
Yes
tepid hornet
how
dark token
Now try on fyrakk
runic hinge
I try to rp as someone who is funny
subtle tundra
Just expect to fail at some point and fall into depression for a couple of months!
brazen zodiac
heard!
dark token
and say "vanish doesnt reset"
ye i cant get fyrakk
to reset
has to be mage
idk why
digital venture
ye i cant get fyrakk
Have anyone tried to shroud the whole group and have someone but the person shrouding to pull the boss? Not sure if that would reset the boss
digital venture
Good to know for reference! :p
That m+ build for low keys that you posted the other day, is there a reason why energy regen is so much low in it vs the standard cleave/aoe build ?
dark token
wdym
check your poisons
did u use instant poison b yaccident
u need deadly poison for energy
you only get 1 poison with that build
forest nacelle
did u use instant poison b yaccident
the amount of time i do this is astonishing, but thats just me 😄
rotund oak
if its 489 it might sim higher than igira though
forest nacelle
my 483 igira simmed lower than my 476 nick in offhand with my 483 nick in main hand. 
rotund oak
ive got 2 nicks 489 and an igira 489 nick is 1.8k dps more
rotund oak
yeah
rotund oak
im bored actually simming rn
im pissed,tried to log HC smold a tank was chasing me with tank soak when i had overheat
fukin' clueless tanks
forest nacelle
i feel that
dark token
where is ur igira dagger man
that sims higher
also its an 18 so i dont need 6% shadow dmg Dr
in a high key i would run igira dagger
dark token
wait he not even useing 2
i dont even have one nick
rotund oak
in a high key i would run igira dagger
yup i kinda thought about it right after
dark token
yeah but did he do 8 20s every week
forest nacelle
he a much better rogue than me, and yet i got the bis weaps (although i did farm the place around 40 times)
dark token
the farmed nicks are easy to get its just time
elder finch
Guys i see people using a lot of shiv instead of mutilate for combo points in solo suffle
Is it worth?
Fan of knives sorry
elder finch
Ups sorry
gaunt moat
@sharp viper
I've never seen pink name before
what's mogknight
digital venture
did u use instant poison b yaccident
Ahhhh okey I did use IP yeah thought you only used DP when going double poison build
dark token
no you always go deadly poison
then u use either amp poison or instant poison if you have DTB
digital venture
@dark token thanks! I was wondering why I was always energy starved x)
runic hinge
<@228156064468697089>
I've never seen pink name before
what's mogknight
They’re keeping the transmog channel from breaching containment
gaunt moat
What if they infect us
runic hinge
What if they infect us <:happy:585741987592798208>
hoary thicket
When opening from stealth in aoe situation can I just garrote the same mob multiple times to spread it to targets without garrote on or will it always waste one garrote?
woeful meteor
wastes one
gaunt sigil
It wastes one but I am too lazy to ever not repeat cast on the same target
Instead of 3-5-7 you’d get 3-6-9 so it’s not the biggest deal
Probably only matters in stupid high keys
runic hinge
I mean it really depends on your globals. If it’s 6 mobs you wanna tab but if it’s 5 or 7 it’s the same globals to not. If it’s 8 you can tab once to one without and garrote twice after your initial and if it’s 9 you gotta find a new mob each time
strange trail
So, I have deathmark and my branch trinket macroed together. How come whenever I hit the macro, only sometimes both the trinket and the deathmark will go off together and other times only one will go off?
limber lion
So, I have deathmark and my branch trinket macroed together. How come whenever I...
Because the trinket is not on the global cooldown (GCD) but Deathmark is.
If you press the macro between gcd's, you will use the trinket but Deathmark will not be used
strange trail
If you press the macro between gcd's, you will use the trinket but Deathmark wil...
Should I just not have it macro then? also im having the same issue with the kingsbane/shadow dance macro
limber lion
Same principal where Shadow Dance is not on the gcd, but Kingsbane is
You just have to spam the macro instead of just pressing it once
Or wait for the gcd to end before you press it
strange trail
Or wait for the gcd to end before you press it
dumb question, but how would I know when a GCD has ended?
limber lion
dumb question, but how would I know when a GCD has ended?
It's the swirlie that appears on top of your abilities whenever you press an ability
A gcd for Rogues is a static 1s
So you can press abilities on the gcd once every 1s
strange trail
It's the swirlie that appears on top of your abilities whenever you press an abi...
oooh okay. thank you so much!
limber lion
Npnp
digital venture
Is Augury any good for assassin? I just got a 470 one. Got Branch and Brand 450
woeful meteor
the char name 
runic hinge
Based
balmy condor
the char name <:flushedW:830272902879510539>
his warrior is named femboyhog
runic hinge
digital venture
Aight, ty! :p
strange trail
Isn't there a thing you can put into advanced sims on raidbots, that sims weapon runes? or am I just imagining this
fervent rune
yeah its all the way at the bottom by raid buffs
idk about the advanced ones to sim all at once though
strange trail
idk about the advanced ones to sim all at once though
So a while ago I saw the string that you put into the advanced sims that sims the runs, does that still exist? or
fervent rune
So a while ago I saw the string that you put into the advanced sims that sims th...
Yeah I just don't know it. I misread and thought of the one where you can select the rune to sim
strange trail
Yeah I just don't know it. I misread and thought of the one where you can select...
I def could have been more specific, and used better wording lol
that was my bad, sorry
fervent rune
nah your good. I was def stoned and misread haha
earnest remnant
Isn't there a thing you can put into advanced sims on raidbots, that sims weapon...
###################
Weapon enchants
###################
copy="Weapons: (haste) Howling rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:howling_rune_3/off_hand:howling_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (mastery) Hissing rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:hissing_rune_3/off_hand:hissing_rune_3
copy="Weapons: (AP) Whetstone rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:primal_whetstone_3/off_hand:primal_whetstone_3
copy="no weapon oil"
temporary_enchant=disabled
copy="Weapon: (crit) Buzzin rank 3"
temporary_enchant=main_hand:buzzing_rune_3/off_hand:buzzing_rune_3
strange trail
###################
### Weapon enchants
###################
copy="Weapons: (hast...
omg tysm!
amber fossil
is it a dps loss to use the mut/ambush macro? Cause ambush wont proc caustic spatter
runic hinge
Ambush does proc spatter
Also you shouldn’t need a macro because they made it auto change for you
amber fossil
it does? only says mut in the description
runic hinge
It was a last minute change to have ambush proc spatter and the tooltip wasn’t ever updated
amber fossil
ahh ok, ty
runic hinge
Np!
balmy condor
what is "the mut/ambush macro"
you can't control ambush procs
it replaces mutilate
dark token
is it a dps loss to use the mut/ambush macro? Cause ambush wont proc caustic spa...
I use a mutilate macro
So I never press ambush except when blindside procs
amber fossil
./cast [nostance:0]Ambush; Mutilate
balmy condor
nostance:0 swaps for stealth and dance right
haven't used stance conditionals in a long time
seems okay to me
would just be ambush in stealth, mutilate otherwise
amber fossil
or blindside procs
balmy condor
well you can't control blindside procs
the game doesn't let you cast mutilate
it physically replaces mutilate in your spellbook and replaces it to ambush
the only way to macro around that would be to cancelaura blindside
amber fossil
I just wasntr sure if it was a loss to use ambush becuase the description for CS onhly says mut
amber fossil
but Tony clarified that ambushg does indeed proc CS
dark token
I don't think you want to ambush in dance anyway since we aren't taking the ambush cp talent, so I think just always casting mutilate is better no? Only use blindside procs for free ambushes
balmy condor
idk man
there's like 45 ways to do ambush/mut stuff
and none of it matters for shit
you got the purists that have mut and ambush on separate keys and then blindside procs and it doesn't matter anyway
you got the people that just put mut on a key and call it a day
you got the people that stance:0 mutilate; ambush
you got the people that nostance
bronze pike
i just click it :3
its next to my mut button and when it glovws i just go SLAM
god i need nitro for smaller gifs to make my point
balmy condor
as long as mutilate is on your bars and you press it constantly idc what else you do with ambush
oak tangle
then there was me, who replaced my stealth bar ambush with mutilate for weeks
balmy condor
that's fine too
regal sable
balmy condor
sinister strike isn't real
regal sable
if u take 2 steps back for acro strike positioning and squint ur eyes it kinda is.....
dark token
Did someone say acro positioning 
steel ridge
at this point they can just remove recuperator (since it doesnt work anyway) and just put acro in that slot and make reverberation and resounding clarity available at the same time 😄
buff reverb out of the wazoo and make us take cold blood instead of dance
rotund oak
buff reverb out of the wazoo and make us take cold blood instead of dance <:kekd...
thats actually a very solid opinion 👌
spice surge
at this point they can just remove recuperator (since it doesnt work anyway) and...
It works for outlaw 💀
regal sable
replace recuperator with recuperate....
royal lantern
It works for outlaw 💀
i honestly wanna know why it broken for 2 specs but not for outlaw
like, whats the magic at work there
spice surge
Cttc and premed extending it
They extend it in a different way than outlaw does, so thats probably whats breaking it
steel ridge
thats actually a very solid opinion 👌
i was prepared to face the backlash, now i am confused.
royal lantern
man
coldblood is kinda stupid cus you just end up doing a macro with it
like, its an ability that is not even offensive or smth like that
it just feels like some vanilla talent shit that is so giga pointless
steel ridge
coldblood is kinda stupid cus you just end up doing a macro with it
Doesnt matter, big crits are cool 
vestal wren
it crits
yes, all parts of it crit
it also adds a layer of complexity
because you now need to decide if you play around lining up cold blood with secret and other cooldowns
royal lantern
does anyone really "decide that"
and not just slams it on a secret tech macro and forget that it even exists
vestal wren
yes people do
pople who optimize
but i think thats healthy game design
the optimization is only a small gain
so you don't feel obligated to do it and can use it in the discribed way
royal lantern
Doesnt matter, big crits are cool <:angery:433318454502752258>
just crit by yourself bozo
indigo epoch
on fall what do folks expect rogues to do for the dragon on the second platform?
im used to just grouping up and running (as it h as truesight)
but some groups expect rogues to shroud...why? it can see through stealth
deft vault
You can distract to one side and run the other side and it wont see you
royal lantern
distract makes the aggro range of enemys smaller in general
distract+shroud is enough that you can wiggle past him
indigo epoch
thanks gang
barren yarrow
Am I allowed to post photos of my toons enhancements in here?
I’d like to know if I’m following the right direction
dark token
im used to just grouping up and running (as it h as truesight)
You don't even need shroud
Best way to do it is everyone mounts up, /pull 3, everyone runs, you try to distract it on the way
The distract is easily missable, I get it only 60% of the time
So you want the group to do it normally as backup
balmy condor
Am I allowed to post photos of my toons enhancements in here?
Probably easier for everyone involved to just post a sim
rotund oak
i was prepared to face the backlash, now i am confused.
ahhahahah
barren yarrow
Probably easier for everyone involved to just post a sim
umm ok, is raidbots?
sorry im very new to that stuff like raidbots and simming and WC Logs lol
prisma monolithBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
balmy condor
that can help if you're unfamiliar
royal lantern
so dont use stat weights
you dont tell your worst enemys to use stat weights
royal lantern
just do topgear and put a checkmark at both enchants
and activate "replace existing enchantments"
thats all
balmy condor
how should i present this to you all?
just post the link
balmy condor
simmed yourself in aoe talents
but that's okay
gear wise looks okay
your offhand has a bad enchant
all the "writs" are the cheap ones
can fix this up real quick give me a second
while that's simming, some stuff to note for you
- the leg enchant you're using is "fine", but generally you'd want to use one of the bigger agi ones for a bit of extra damage, typically the fierce armor kit versus the lambent you're using
- kind of an oversight I think but you're only using 1 embellishment on your neck? Blue silken lining is fine, completely viable embellishment, but should get a second one idk
balmy condor
then just a general psa for stats, they shift around a lot and we don't really have a "bad" stat to avoid. With branch on use you're getting a large hit of mastery, and the sandglass gives a fair bit of haste. With double wafting devotions you get a bit more haste. Because of that you're getting a large influx of those two and generally need less of them physically on gear
so you'll see a lot of like crit/vers, haste/vers, etc
you do have an ashes of the embersoul however, which is the easier trinket to play for QoL if you so choose
and that gives agility versus the branch mastery
so usually if/when you swap to ashes, you're going to want to check for mastery enchants and gems
since you lost a lot of that stat swapping trinkets
it's a bit of a balancing act that only sims can really fix
you can also adjust your runes for it, hissing runes go a long way
your raid talent setup also was a bit off
so you're looking like this now
royal lantern
so you'll see a lot of like crit/vers, haste/vers, etc
can confirm, my current gear is using 3xhaste/mastery gem, 1x a mastery/haste, 1x a vers/haste, and 2x a crit/mastery
all over the place
stats are a myth
balmy condor
yeh biggest thing is just actually having them
like the difference between a crit/haste and a mast/vers gem doesn't matter for shit typically
but the difference between having a gem vs not having a gem
is the important part
royal lantern
ye
balmy condor
does that clear it up a bit @barren yarrow?
rotund oak
Playing assassination on EB and BRH for carnage and iron wire combo
assassination is MASSIVE
hands down better kit that the other two for m+
proven jasper
hexed frost
hands down better kit that the other two for m+
Ok that is copium
No one takes rogue for kit in M+ anymore
Except for shroud maybe
lost light
so my brain is too smooth to fully understand snapshotting. I understand the part where, e.g., a nightstalker-buffed garrote remains buffed after stealth fades. what i don't understand are the rules for refreshing. do you still refresh during pandemic, or do you let it fade before applying it again?
royal lantern
let empowered dots run out
balmy condor
if you stealth garrote you let it finish, rupture you refresh like normal
royal lantern
if you stealth garrote you let it finish, rupture you refresh like normal
wuuuut
i always let the rupture run out aswell
shy pecan
Rupture is only the 10% from NS, right?
royal lantern
ye
shy pecan
Yeah
balmy condor
if you refresh the rupture with for example 4 seconds remaining, you're losing 4/10ths of a second of rupture damage
shy pecan
Rather just have the uptime more than anything for energy and what not
spice surge
sandbagging like ussual
Just a rogue classic 🐱
vestal wren
runic hinge
I wish rupture did more damage
gilded oasis
it does in my brain
runic hinge
Make rupture great again
gilded oasis
runic hinge
I keep thinking about it but I don’t really want to
runic hinge
I’ve been doing bfa stuff cause I missed that expansion
gilded oasis
no one misses bfa (I kinda do)
runic hinge
I came back for the last patch and mainly did pvp so I’m just doing some questing
gilded oasis
I had friends in bfa
runic hinge
Proof?
gilded oasis
uhhhhh
rotund oak
Except for shroud maybe
ye man,who needs kicks and blinds and saps and stuns,we are there for dmg 
bronze pike
relying on vdh for cc when the average pepega explodes themselves with sigil of chains. nah man
barren yarrow
does that clear it up a bit <@345063175785283586>?
hey sorry i was AFK, but yes it does. I didnt realize i was simming in aoe talents which is my bad. I normally do that only because thats what is the suggested M+ build on wowhead lol
barren yarrow
umm, so how did you select items like the gem that isnt in my bag? you just redid it on the gem slot section?
top gear > then crafty yem
balmy condor
top gear > then crafty yem
Exactly yeah
barren yarrow
ok gotcha
keen spruce
royal lantern
keen spruce
blazing jewel
royal lantern
<a:SCfloppaSHAKE:853893512542289930>
PoV: you are a ranged dps that is annoying about uptime on council
blazing jewel
clever sapphire
PoV: you are a ranged dps that is annoying about uptime on council
our hunters accepted the fact that they wont see themselves on the meters for that fight
lost light
if you stealth garrote you let it finish, rupture you refresh like normal
thank you!
balmy condor
royal lantern
https://tenor.com/view/bolt-movie-target-acquired-target-target-spotted-dog-gif-...
fuck them warlock
vestal wren
your favorite boss?
barren yarrow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tqJQjthU1hCKD4rTZLC4vZ
im sorry Whispyr, how did you sim this again? i got 2 xtra slots for gems in neck now and i switched to embersoul trinket
balmy condor
im sorry Whispyr, how did you sim this again? i got 2 xtra slots for gems in nec...
if you take your /simc from in game after all that
slap that up here
and it'll import your character
scroll down past the gear
or don't I guess, you can pick some gear to compare if you'd like
but after that
make sure the replace box is ticked
and then just select whatever you're feeling like comparing enchant/gem wise
everything you select gets compared
barren yarrow
oh i cant copy paste i dont have nitro lol
balmy condor
what
barren yarrow
the /simc report
barren yarrow
yeah ohh i thought oyu wanted it lol
balmy condor
nah
it's your turn to fly now
I'm throwing you out of the nest
like a bird dad
and you either fly or hit the rocks at the bottom of the cliff face and die
gilded oasis
balmy condor
that shits metal as hell
they gotta like do some hardcore parkour
and just jummp
from rock to rock
incredible
nothing better than base jumping geese
gilded oasis
dont hit a rock
balmy condor
bit jank cause like bone spike kinda weird and you turned off like 6/7 of the raid buffs and the embellishment thing still makes my eye twitch
but its good
sim is good
it's a vibe
barren yarrow
what talent tree did you use, im looking at the one you simmed for me to get 190, im just copy/paste from wowhead lol
balmy condor
yah that's the one
zinc quartz
So I dont know if this is the correct place to ask, but I'm really having a hard time playing this spec now days. I feel like I'm playing it correctly, according to the guides posted, but I can't seem to break out of green parses in mythic raids. Maybe I'm just getting too old and slow, I know I'm too slow to play Outlaw 😂
balmy condor
there's a lot on wowhead
cause people bitch at me to add more things
and then I write the little blurbs to say who's supposed to use what
but it's fine it's chill
the bone spike stuff can basically forget about
some weird korean realm rogues were running it cause it was like 500 dps better and people pawned it off as like a secret sauce
but it's kinda shit
the first builds in those lists are the preferred ones
cause I'm smart and put them in order like a good little boy
so you wanna do this in raids
and this in m+
balmy condor
So I dont know if this is the correct place to ask, but I'm really having a hard...
need more info than that to help im afraid
logs
logs are the window to ones soul
zinc quartz
Should I just send specific ones from wcl?
balmy condor
doesn't really matter, once you post a link I have your character name and know everything about you
gilded oasis
balmy condor
my favorite thing to do is people will post like smolderon logs or whatever
and then I open their character and they have like a SUPER bad igira
which just moistens my mumps ya know
and they go "no no don't look at that"
zinc quartz
I have super bad everything lol
balmy condor
aighty
lets take a looker
just a small thing right off the bat, imp ambush is worse than tight spender now
couple free hundred dps
big problem #1
this sucks
you are a burst class, you need a burst trinket
keen spruce
go get stick
balmy condor
big juicy on use
keen spruce
balmy condor
ashes from smold, branch from everbloom
zinc quartz
I know, I can't get either the ashes or the branch :(
balmy condor
either works
biggun
but it's a huge huge part of the class
cause we are the burst or we are nothing
like that one movie with bane or whatever in the football arena
and then he
whatever
anyway
gilded oasis
sim tip #1, dont get picked for mechanics
balmy condor
this makes my eyes melt out of their sockets
but should go without saying don't double up shivs
shiv once before, shiv second when that drops
end of kingsbane is the juice
that's what you're building to
same thing with this racial
what are we doin
it's a big "me do big smash" button
and half of it is gone before we do big smash
big smash all together better yep
next thing with this kingsbane, we build to the end
kb is 14 seconds
so it ends at 28
28 is our climax
there's no tea
there's no vanish
kinda boned
blue balled
zinc quartz
Ok, I figured I was playing the kingsbane vanish thing wrong
balmy condor
bunch of cooldowns here that support kingsbane, vanish for master assassin, shiv, tea, but no kingsbane
and it's kinda falling apart after that tbh I think you get the point
zinc quartz
so I think what I was generally trying to do was get an imp garrote up with shadow dance, and I was waiting for that to run out before using the vanish.
balmy condor
yeh no fuck that
the imp garrote with shadow dance is great
but you're vanishing the end of the kb to try and get it to crit more than anything
the garrote is secondary
priority 1 is the kingsbane
as well as every other priority until like 15
1-14 is kingsbane
and then like okay the imp garrote and envenoming for tier and whatever
zinc quartz
So in stupid old man terms that a senior citizen will understand, how do I properly play KB
balmy condor
shiv timing is a bit weird
but it should always be deathmark/shiv then the kingsbane
that kingsbane just ticks
it's fine
the end of it
you got this
the shiv drops that you cast earlier, so you cast another one
the tea is the last 5, so it covers the end
the vanish is the last 3, so it covers the end
you're placing everything you have so that it reaches the end of the kb
barren yarrow
should i be using this for M+? this is clearly better but its not a raid build i dont think. Sorry! this is just what you simmed for me origionally. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tqJQjthU1hCKD4rTZLC4vZ
OH it doesnt have AOE
balmy condor
yah
single target build single target sim
in the settings at the bottom of the sim
you can swap it from patchwerk to dungeonslice
and then sim your m+ things
but m+ sims are kinda wobbly
good enough
zinc quartz
So other than me being bad, do you figure just playing the KB talent correctly would improve my parses a bit? I'm going to run some pugs and practice it a bit.
balmy condor
So other than me being bad, do you figure just playing the KB talent correctly w...
For sure
Assassination lives and dies on kingsbane currently
zinc quartz
Yeah, the talent honestly confuses me, not going to lie
zinc quartz
Which is why I was confused as I think it was the icy veins guide that said something about burning both shivs during it, but the wowhead guide said one shiv before and one during. But shiv is non-lethal and KB ramps up on leathal, correct?
balmy condor
Shiv is a nature damage buff for 8 seconds
Kingsbane is nature damage
So we shiv before and then again when it drops to buff the whole thing
zinc quartz
Ok, I see that now. So basically for KB I was to deathmark > shiv > KB and then imp garrote.. Shiv again when the first is about to fall off
balmy condor
Yeah
I think it helps to kinda separate out the buttons and decouple things
You have your bleeds, and you have your poisons, and the two kinda don’t interact
Improved garrote doesn’t do anything for kingsbane
And kingsbane doesn’t do anything for improved garrote
zinc quartz
Right, I guess I'm just combining them in my head since I'm using shadowdance pretty much right before KB
balmy condor
So like isolating that you have kingsbane, you want shiv to cover the full duration, you want envenom to cover the full duration, you want tea for the end, you want vanish for the crit chance at the end
And then you have garrote, which yes, is also dance because “stealth”, but it is its own thing
And you just cast it because stealth + garrote = damage
Garrote/rupture ends up being “always have them on the target”
And you just kinda cycle them because they’re maintenance
But they’re not something you should ever really need to use brain power on
zinc quartz
I was honestly stressing with the imp garrote thing, when I probably should be stressing about playing KB correctly
So, on use trinket, don't be trash with KB talent. Anything else you see that stands out? I changed the one talent to tight spender as you suggested.
barren yarrow
ohhhh dungeonslice!
ok thats the only thing i didnt do
I was like how do I have the same talent tree yet 46k dps off lol
balmy condor
So, on use trinket, don't be trash with KB talent. Anything else you see that s...
Nah I mean the entire spec revolves around your burst windows and handling your cooldowns
So once you get kingsbane figured out
It all falls into place
balmy condor
I was like how do I have the same talent tree yet 46k dps off lol
Well you’re 46k off in that sim cause you had a bunch of raid buffs turned off
And the tree was slightly bad cause it was a bone spike thing
But mostly the raid buffs
barren yarrow
rightttt
balmy condor
I didn’t sim dungeonslice
barren yarrow
ok so if i wanna know what todo in dungeons, which one should i do again?
i have the M+ build set
balmy condor
Dungeonslice for dungeons
It’ll simulate a mixture of single target, cleave, and aoe
Where as 1 target patchwerk like we’ve been simming so far is just one boss for X minutes
So that’s better to use for raids
barren yarrow
ahh ok, i also used fated cookie, phials and corruption
so thatll help in dungeons too
balmy condor
It should sim all that baseline already
But you can change it around in the settings as you see fit
barren yarrow
okie dokie
balmy condor
The one thing to check is the weapon runes
I think I set it to default to crit runes
barren yarrow
how do you think sin will end up Season 4 since it was pretty strong early S3 then a huge downgrade
balmy condor
If you’re using the “use simc defaults”
barren yarrow
ok, btw i have a notebook of info that you have me lol
balmy condor
We don’t even know what season 4 is
barren yarrow
all these tips and trick for raidbots is amazing
balmy condor
Or what it’s gonna want for a meta
barren yarrow
true
barren yarrow
im excited for fated
balmy condor
I’m also excited for fated
But not because fated
Fated sucks
But war within alpha comes out right after
And having a lil break is good
Not having to play is so good
Big fan
runic hinge
more time for maplestory streams
runic hinge
big
shell meadow
what is our mastery cap% (and how bad is it to go over it?)
spice surge
what is our mastery cap% (and how bad is it to go over it?)
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
shell meadow
i mean, im at 61% mastery unbuffed, simulation craft is having me replace all my enchants and gems, was just lookin for generalized 'yeah anything over 50% is bad" type info before i went and tore up my gear, thanks though.
balmy condor
yeh that's not a thing
shell meadow
okay, is there a % where its known to start diminishing returns? or is it literally do what the robot says now?
zinc quartz
Whispyr, when you get a chance, can you pick this parse apart. I tried to incorporate what you were saying about KB, but I still think I screwed it up. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A2WzaLCq9f6wQdx4#fight=2&type=damage-done
balmy condor
Whispyr, when you get a chance, can you pick this parse apart. I tried to incor...
this is looking great
the vanish here at the end was late
but this is much better
I'd honestly go ahead and macro your blood fury in with your kingsbane and dance
this sucks
use corrupting rage
and then just an on-use trinket
and you're big chillin
good shit
zinc quartz
Yeah, I knew the phial of choice and no potion wasn't going to help the overall parse, but I just wanted to get the timing of stuff correct.
I macro'd blood fury to deathmark, is that ok?
since it's same cooldown
balmy condor
yeah but if you deathmark -> shiv -> kb
zinc quartz
ah, wasted time, got it
balmy condor
the blood fury would drop off a second before the last kb tick
I guess the gangster move would be to macro it to shiv
zinc quartz
even with the better rotation, I only managed a 26% for my ilvl lol, still a long way to go
balmy condor
ilvl parse is a joke
zinc quartz
but phial...potion...not being in a pug, all that will help
balmy condor
forget that number exists
zinc quartz
oh really? I honestly thought that would be the better indication of how I was performing against people equally geared
balmy condor
yeah you'd think so
but you end up reducing the sample size by an insane amount
and item level turns out to be kind of an awful indicator of how strong a character is
I would assume the moment you get an on-use trinket your ilvl parse will go from a 26 to like an 80
or maybe you end up in a bracket that gets pi a lot
and you get a blue
zinc quartz
I should have taken the ashes when I won the roll weeks ago ><
balmy condor
or you could just grief yourself and equip some 460 gear to bump your ilvl down a couple notches, move you into a lower bracket
and then stomp
shy pecan
Or forget to have an item equipped in a slot completely 🙂
balmy condor
cause like, gotta remember that item level is also kind of an indicator of group as well
I'm 488 equipped for example
if I go pug, my ilvl bracket is still 487-489
but there's a difference if I go in with a pug of 470's
or my guild
and we kill heroic fyrakk
We kill it in like 4:45, skip all of p3
Cause we kill before he phases
Versus a pug that might take 9 minutes
zinc quartz
That makes sense. I changed blood fury to be in the kb macro. I'm having trouble remember when to hit vanish, anytime just before 3 secs left of KB is fine, right?
balmy condor
has to be specifically between 3 and 2 seconds left on kb
master assassin lasts 3 seconds, kingsbane ticks every 2 seconds
if you vanish way early it's gonna hit ticks that aren't fully ramped
if you vanish late you're gonna miss the second to last tick
zinc quartz
My head is currently exploding with all the new stuff to remember, but you've been a huge help!
zinc quartz
It most definetly will
balmy condor
lemme know if
you got more questionsssss
ir uf
fuucking cat
whatever
the log looked better
I believe in you
glossy dust
can u swap to sub and do the same like here @balmy condor
balmy condor
no that spec stinks
balmy condor
I'm just a big fan of resource management and cooldown prep
and sub kinda has that with flag/dust stuff
but all the CDR feels real stinky
and you get like a quadrillion combo points and a billion energy during dances
to where it feels like I'm just spamming like outlaw
which I get is like slow out of dance, fast in dance
haha button brrrrr sectec number high
but idk
just ain't it
balmy condor
it terms of big damage yeah
but all the cdr and mismatched cooldown timers just leave a real sour taste for me
glossy dust
quiet understandable - db is somewhat better in that regard but dust in is like so much in m+
lost light
do we still pool energy in aoe?
balmy condor
do we still pool energy in aoe?
in aoe you have a bunch of bleeds out
so energy is a non-issue
balmy condor
not enough bleed
lost light
got it. tyty
oak tangle
@zinc quartz you can look at some weakauras that have a kingsbane timer which can make it easier to see when to use abilities
LE has one
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
zinc quartz
<@233767926967173122> you can look at some weakauras that have a kingsbane timer...
Awesome, I'll check them out!
digital venture
so if energy IS an issue, I'm doing something wrong
i was doing this the other day, make sure you have dp on, it helps ALOT with energy
lost light
i was doing this the other day, make sure you have dp on, it helps ALOT with ene...
sorry, what's dp?
shy pecan
Deadly poison
digital venture
sorry, what's dp?
as @shy pecan said, it's Deadly poison.
In my case, I was struggling with energy on m+/aoe cuz I was using IP (instant poison) instead of DP(deadly poison)
spice spire
balmy condor
@spice spire explain dp in league terms
ember mural
nova kelp
idk about anyone else, but I'm waiting
runic hinge
What do we mean by dp
storm forum
Tell us judge mcfuckface
runic hinge
@spice spire How do you feel about this damage breakdown
ebon notch
did you do the dp to the mobs
runic hinge
Maybe it's what i forgot
dark token
Things just die too fast in 18's
This is a meme
I have my highest overalls in 18 atal not 29 atal
And with a 3k dh blasting stuff too
Hit 330k the other day doing my weeklies
People just don't play for bleeds
runic hinge
This is a meme
That is my key and it's all bleeds?!?!
Like I can't play for bleeds anymore than I did lol
Nothing lives kb in an 18 dht except the first bear and i got a 2 million SD pop
spice surge
That is my key and it's all bleeds?!?!
Did you spec internal bleeding?
If not theres still more bleeds to be had
runic hinge
Did you spec internal bleeding?
Maybe I should for these weeklys tbh
rotund oak
Stil topped the overall <:EZ:848571203445587978>
what key was it? 
runic hinge
what key was it? <:FeelsWeird:585739277120307220>
18 dht
runic hinge
looks like the other two had no gear but feels weird
488 shaman and 486 hunter
rotund oak
what do u boys do on an 18 
then
rotund oak
im lost for words 😄
runic hinge
3 chested so idk, maybe just not enough mob health to go around
balmy condor
you're at a loss for words that people do vault keys?
balmy condor
fr
shy pecan
gm
balmy condor
why would people want gear
balmy condor
brother how many times do I gotta tell you that ain't the name of my cat
rotund oak
Ive taken the short version of the cat's name which is linux(right?)
rotund oak
yo ive got taste but ok
balmy condor
sounds like an old asian dude
rotund oak
not asian but close enough 
balmy condor
he's like part bengal
rotund oak
(lin would fit so much in there btw)
balmy condor
balmy condor
bengal
rotund oak
hold on im kinda old,brain not fast enough
ah i c now
bengal cat
aka the leopard cat
interesting
runic hinge
I wish I had a maine coon cat