assassination

[gusty mirage]

Wdym, big damage every minute plus if they have the leggo that’s a free like 10 million damage every run with insane survivability and even better utility?

[dapper moat]

anyway one more 20 and then only raid this week 😄

[gusty mirage]

Seems balanced

Nerf rogue though

[royal lantern]

ye but paladins cried everywhere that ret is weak, so shut up nerd

[dapper moat]

we are filthy criminals!

[gusty mirage]

Damn

[dapper moat]

we deserve nerfstick!

[gusty mirage]

Oxipal is rising

Then I’ll abandon you all

[dapper moat]

😮

Well I have played only rogue since WoD and only took some breaks but, kinda dont like this new wow meta where palyers have like 9820982407421708407824 alts 😄

[royal lantern]

you know what i love oxi

that there are still people that non-ironic talk about HYBRID TAX everytime ret is weak

then ret is op again and we have 4dps 1tank dungeons cus they have so much group healing

[dapper moat]

blizz needs to keep pala strong so theres off spec tanks and healers in pugs..

on dps wise too i mean

[royal lantern]

i take a main healer/tank over a offsspec heal/tank that is main ret

cus holy shit they are some of the worst players in this game

[dapper moat]

sometimes beggas cant be choosers after waiting pug keys for 2 hours to find tank/heals 😄

[royal lantern]

that implies doing keys

im stupid, but not stupid enough to do that

[dapper moat]

heh yeah.. 😄 I am

but staying on 20 to get the loot

if i wanted to push i would roll new main, but love rouges too muchy much

BfA rotation just felt so muhc easier than atm..

and then leggo boois smashing everything

havent seen many mages even

only palas and BMs 😄

[dark token]

Still grinding for the nick of time

Did 8 keys all season and not one

[rare jackal]

literally me

[royal lantern]

nick was such a fuck you from blizz

first i did over 50 runs to drop one

and then i get 2 in vault

[rare jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[royal lantern]

meanwhile still no mythic lvl head piece

let me get my last max lvl slot blizz pls

[gusty mirage]

Just make a helmet and toss a socket in there

Also why can’t I send crests to alts yet

[dark token]

Aww I feel so bad for you, that must be rough

[grim tree]

Use spec assa in progress mytic is viable or prefer ue sub?

[dark crag]

The item for enchanted crests should be account bound

[gusty mirage]

Preach it from the rooftops

My alt is sitting there with 476 crafted gear like a peasant

[spice spire]

Disgusting

[tepid hornet]

out of what stat would i see most dmg increase other than agility

whats the idea

stack mastery the most?

[proven jasper]

i mean assa can use all stats well so it really is just ilvl until ur basically max

General idea is still crit>mast though i think

[pastel quiver]

Hey all, just hit ~451 on my sin rogue and have 4pc. Starting to do m+ and I'm trying to aim for high envenom uptime. Should I prioritize it over crimson tempest? I'm struggling on learning this class lol. Finally got got energy pooling and snapshotting.

[dapper moat]

I guess it depends much on your build is it bleed heavy or more of a spatter one? Pretty sure in most scenarios envenom uptime is more important than CT.

[shy pecan]

For AoE is what I’m guessing you’re asking about

I think it was mentioned about envenom in being better on up to like four targets because of spatter (plus you’re getting prio damage). But don’t quote me on that

[proven jasper]

I think even in aoe ct is low prio on that list

[shy pecan]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

Ct is pretty high prio on 4+

[proven jasper]

right but youd wanna do all your other setup before ct yeah?

Even in 4+

[balmy condor]

Idk what all your other setup means

But you can basically just gar gar ct

From stealth

If you want to get dm/kb out early you can rup for caustic but dunno

If you’re playing CT you should use it

[shy pecan]

I think people are accustomed to like a ST setup with DM/KB to get out CDs

[balmy condor]

And that’s fine if st is a priority in that situation

[hexed frost]

Getting bored of playing outlaw all the time, can't even push high keys as a pug because we collectively brain fart on 24s on tyrannical.

How's Assa doing on 22-24 keys?

Viable?

[balmy condor]

Everything is viable at that level

[storm forum]

I just did a 24, we're fine. I was a bit behind my OL rogue friend but most of that was fucking up the first giga pull (in Throne).

[hexed frost]

Good to see snapshotting is back. But that means I cannot be a lazy shit with just a WA to tell me press buttons (KiR easy mode gg)

[balmy condor]

Wa to tell you to press buttons is half the spec atm actually

And the snapshotting pretty much plays itself

[dapper moat]

how much should 480 geared sin pull overal dps on lets say average 20 key? Can it be said as a some number where you should be aiming?

[balmy condor]

You macro dance before kb and gg you did it

[royal lantern]

thats a take for sure

a bad one, but a take

[storm forum]

I was counting GCDs at the start of the season, but the WA is so much easier, especially cause we're taking tight spender instead of +1 ambush CP.

wait actually, counting globals would be easier now because we're not taking +1 ambush CP

[balmy condor]

Think 200k is a good baseline to shoot for in weekly keys kinda, there’s way too many variables for anything accurate though

[balmy condor]

Why are we counting globals

[dapper moat]

yeah ty m8. yEah some vague number where to aim at least. I am somewhat off atm.

[storm forum]

if your KB WA breaks

[balmy condor]

[storm forum]

or you didnt have one for the first two weeks of the season

[balmy condor]

If it what

[storm forum]

cause thats what i did

[royal lantern]

outlaw players invading

[storm forum]

cause im a dumbass

[hexed frost]

400K on outlaw on EB on fort so 300K on assa atleast.

But too many variables like tank pull and wipes etc.

[balmy condor]

You don’t have a debuff tracker for kb that just counts time?

[storm forum]

nope

well

[balmy condor]

[storm forum]

my flyplatebuffs was broken

[dapper moat]

u do KB second count from icons?

[storm forum]

cause it hasnt been updated since BFA

[dapper moat]

thats hardcore man 🙂

[balmy condor]

I don’t even know what that is

[storm forum]

it was the addon I used since legion to track my debuffs

[balmy condor]

What

[shy pecan]

Huh

[storm forum]

in BFA they removed KB from the tracked spell list

and it hasnt been updated since then cause the dev quit i guess

[balmy condor]

I just have a big KB icon in the middle of my weakauras to track the cd and the debuff

[royal lantern]

you guys are breaking whisp rn

[balmy condor]

When it hits 5 I tea when it hits 3 I vanish

[shy pecan]

I mean, what's new

[balmy condor]

How is that hardcore

[shy pecan]

Isn't that like every day?

[blazing jewel]

no counting

[balmy condor]

[dapper moat]

Ah might misunderstood it. but I have WA that tells me when to shiv, tea and vanish when KB is up

[storm forum]

i mean, I have WAs now. One has a counter, the other is notter's glowing one

[blazing jewel]

come do weeklies I know you want to

[balmy condor]

Yeah I can’t stand those visual clutter magnets

[dapper moat]

Also have sonar sound when the tick is coming so audio also 😄

[balmy condor]

Big fuck you bar on my screen with 15 tick marks to remind me that I actually don’t know how to play my spec and need constant help to do the same basic cooldown sequence every minute for the last 3 months

Nah

Not for me

[shy pecan]

What WA has 15 tick marks?

[balmy condor]

Brother those kb WA’s were getting up there

Tick mark for ashes

Tick mark for shiv

Tick mark for tea

Tick mark for vanish

[blazing jewel]

imagine having ashes smh

[balmy condor]

Tick mark to wipe my ass

Tick mark to wipe the drool off my keyboard

[dapper moat]

my marks shiv,tea and vanish only but yeah 😄

[shy pecan]

I mean, I remember LE's had just shiv, tea, and vanish

[dapper moat]

yeah LE's one im using

[balmy condor]

If it helps it helps

But Jesus fuck I used it to record a video one time as a visual help

And I actually threw up

[dapper moat]

it helps from the start but im pretty sure that its a terainingwheel u should take off at somepoint but

[balmy condor]

Kb weakauras like that to remind every single thing you’d need to do in the sequence

Would basically replace half my cooldown tracking wa’s

It’s like an actual centerpiece type of wa

[keen spruce]

@storm forum fight back

[storm forum]

i mean

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

theres nothing to fight

[blazing jewel]

come weekly

[storm forum]

i dont use WAs most of the time

[keen spruce]

weekly wut

[storm forum]

but I like notter's cause it tells me a big number at the end

[keen spruce]

i have raid in 15 minutes

[keen spruce]

tru

[storm forum]

and big number make me happy

[dapper moat]

on BfA I was quite stripped

[blazing jewel]

I forget you have a cursed raid time

[keen spruce]

numba go up

[dapper moat]

only WA's following bleeds and tell me when icons for some majors

[storm forum]

I also don't have a WA suite like most other people. So the LE standalone with ticks helps me sometimes.

[keen spruce]

FIGHT BACK

[blazing jewel]

[storm forum]

????

[keen spruce]

[shy pecan]

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

i need a WA that plays @spice spire meowing everytime a KB tick does a crit

[pastel quiver]

Okay thanks, I'm just using the default mythic build on icyveins. I have to read into it some more to see what to prio.

[pastel quiver]

Yeah AoE. I think i just have to practice more

[shy pecan]

Whispyr's comments after that are what you want to follow

[tepid hornet]

What build u guys go on m+

how is it to pass crimson tempest for something else?

Is there something that can be better

Maybe more focus on envenom

[balmy condor]

For anything under like 26’s you’d probably be best just sticking to a bleed based build, arterial being the go-to typically

[tepid hornet]

i like the cleave build u have so that would not be better under 26s?

what about just tyrannical weeks?

[balmy condor]

Problem with that build is if things aren’t consistently surviving through your entire kingsbane, you might as well afk

It’s fine on tyrannical weeks I guess if you’re foaming at the mouth about 10% more boss damage or whatever

But idk

I wouldn’t probably

[tepid hornet]

if i did arterial shock build without tempest?

and pick something else

[balmy condor]

Sounds terrible but if your heart desires I guess

[tepid hornet]

so tempest is the best choice if u cant have cosistent kingsbanes for long enough

[balmy condor]

Tempest is just a good aoe button regardless of anything

[keen spruce]

ok chicken dead

[shy pecan]

Grats

[vestal wren]

congrats

[supple compass]

how is sin st in keys?

and do people generally like the spec rn?

[vestal wren]

sin is adequat, not the best spec atm

the go-to is outlaw

[supple compass]

my main is enh so im looking for something a little easier on the fingers

[vestal wren]

ret paladin probably the best option

[gray hazel]

Sin ST is alright with cleave build

[dark token]

Just go AP shock + arterial demise build under 25 pls I beg

Cleave build is an informed choice not a copy pasta to your low key

[keen spruce]

you're just going to get flamed for doing 0 damage

if you play cleave in low keys

i mean you're going to get flamed for doing 0 damage in low keys anyways

but it'll be even worse

[woeful meteor]

Sin in low keys is somehow even worse than boomie

[royal lantern]

*youre going to get flamed in low keys anyways

they find a reason

why they cant time a +18 key

[royal lantern]

did you ever do a +18-+20 weekly key during tyranical weeks?

bosses need 7min that way

[dark token]

What

I spam 8 18s on AP shock build every week

U realize AP shock build is the third highest ST build we have, it's not that bad

And in an 18, 10k higher boss dps literally could not give af

To lose sudden demise which is carrying ur dmg all key

[royal lantern]

it just feels kinda bad against bosses that take 3 hours cus pug randoms do no dmg tbh

[dark token]

I have never done a 18 boss that took more than 2 mins

Cause my dmg is enough

Especially the groups I mostly app are 2k+ people just spamming weeklies it's fast

There is no situation running cleave build below 25

It's boss dmg copium

U will do absolutely shit dmg rest of key

And take more time than the time u gain on boss

It's only good when you can setup and cleave a full kingsbane consistently on trash which doesn't happen below 25

[gray hazel]

I can’t recall, is the ap shock build the hybrid? Or is that the one that doesn’t use DT-B?

[shy pecan]

Doesn't use DTB

[cinder fulcrum]

Question around shock build. If I’m running say 20-24’s are we just using shiv as a dps cooldown for aoe packs?

[gusty mirage]

congrats duckman

now go back to disappointing us by playing outlaw

[keen spruce]

no more mini game

i'm in raidlog retirement

[runic hinge]

Let’s gooooooo

[spice spire]

Ur real for that

[woeful meteor]

[keen spruce]

https://i.imgur.com/3bfXarI.mp4

[royal lantern]

stealthi at work

[dark token]

Sin in low keys actually good if u know what ur doing

But people don't play CT and wonder why their dmg sucks in 18

[dark token]

Yes if you won't use kingsbane before you get ur 2nd charge back

[runic hinge]

Preach

[dark token]

Like I'm not using kingsbane at end of pack when it comes up

But I'll shiv for sudden demise executr and by the time I run to next pack and start opener i will have 2 shiv charges again

[spice spire]

Real

[balmy condor]

actual gif of @earnest remnant banning another fake steam gift scammer

[pastel quiver]

Is it normal to sim 30k dps less than outlaw and sub using the same gear? obv I swapped out the mh in outlaw for similar wep.

[runic hinge]

yes

[pastel quiver]

okay thanks, thought I was goign crazy

[dark token]

Yes sin sucks without pi

Even pi you are 10k behind in ST

[steel ridge]

Revert the nerfs!

[rotund oak]

Sin nerfs were fukin' unjustified

shouldnt happen

[tepid hornet]

does it matter if u shiv before or after kingsbane?

i mean does it matter for the application?

like dance does?

[fiery berry]

What nerfs? Are there new ones?

[bronze pike]

No new nerfs

Help the guy above tho, idk sim enough to give info :(

[fallen raven]

you should be shivving before kingsbane, shiv nature damage buff lasts 8s and kb lasts 14s so you can cover the entire kb window with two shivs instead of losing 30% damage on the first hit of kb

i don't think it's a huge loss if you do it immediately after but there's no reason to do so either

[tepid hornet]

ty

[storm hedge]

Hey guys started doing tindral prog and noticed that sometimes KB goes on CD but it isn't applied to the boss. Happened to me only on Tindral and only the first KB. Happened maybe every 25 pulls. Anyone had that happen to them? Is there a fix?

[spice surge]

He parried it

Whenever you stand infront of a boss they have a 3% chance to parry your attacks

[storm hedge]

No way, KB can be parried? Jesus. Yea that makes sense. I've always been behind bosses 99% of the time but Tindral is so movement heavy that I often just stand in front. Gonna have to make sure to stand behind him when casting KB. Thanks.

[spice surge]

Shiv can too

Very fun

[storm hedge]

And Deathmark?

[rotund oak]

the last ones months ago

made the specc mediocre

[royal lantern]

welcome to parry in 2024

we make bosses that spin in circles all the time or where cus of fight mechanics you need to attack from the front

but parry is a thing 🙂

[limpid sonnet]

ah you poor souls u wont get to enjoy the majesty of parryless gaming trickster hero talent tree 🙂

(ignore my name)

[past forum]

Idk who is happy that parry is still in the game but for fooks sake it should at least not put your spell on cd

pvp is probably to blame

(and is also probably to blame for current iteration of trickster)

[gusty mirage]

It’s me

I want my immersion

I love being parried by mobs with no weapons either

For the extra immersion

[ebon notch]

Just punches your kb in the face

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

its one of those "why does it exist in that state?" things

like

[past forum]

Okay so I get parried Igira when she turns to do the blade wave. But if we’re trying to keep it a buck can’t you not parry while casting?

[royal lantern]

why is parry a thing but not spell block

either keep both and let everyone suffer, or remove PvE parry lol

(i want everyone to suffer)

[gusty mirage]

Igira is a master fucking swordsman

I just love parry in bosses that turn to cast honestly

It’s the best

That way when you get a Sylvanas or Tindral they just randomly spin around

[royal lantern]

tindral be like

https://tenor.com/view/spin-record-cat-gif-21749933

"just stay behind him????????"

and thats without talking about the endless aoe shit that forces you to move anyway

[gusty mirage]

Also when he randomly drops all threat post supernova cast and punches me in the face

That’s my kinda boss

[past forum]

Oh yeah that’s good

[royal lantern]

allright never had that

[past forum]

Luckily my tanks don’t pull with taunt so you know I got that thang (Evasion) on me (ready to press at any moment)

[gusty mirage]

Our tank forgot to taunt at the end of the cast

[royal lantern]

ah yes, preparing for the INSANE TRICKSTER gameplay

[gusty mirage]

“Did you get meleed?”

“Yes”

“My bad”

[gaunt moat]

At least we know why realz gave us two charges of feint
It was all in preparation for Feintster

[past forum]

They don’t apologize

They fucking flame me for pulling on 0

[royal lantern]

feinster

lmao

gotta remember that one

[gaunt moat]

I made a pun

[past forum]

They have this homoerotic ego flexing battle with threat/survivability

It was cute when I was a caster

Now it’s harmful to my health

We don’t even have a moonkin to pull early and give my tricks a half global to kick in

[rare jackal]

feinster lol

not to be confused with finnster

[static glacier]

is this implemented for sim?

I assume so since dm evokes PI on apl

[spice spire]

Yes

[worldly sail]

this comment has made me a feintster fan

[royal lantern]

P3 PULL LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

[gaunt moat]

Still in the phase 2 mines here

[royal lantern]

P1 wipes again

[gaunt moat]

you get one good pull for that day

[potent python]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[strange python]

does assa have funnel

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition I guess

in the most basic of definitions where adding targets can increase single target damage

sure yeah

if the definition is "noticeably large increase in damage to one target to the point where it's a strength of the spec over other specs", then no

[past forum]

it’s pretty much just enhance that does that atm, right?

[marble hemlock]

boomie

probably the best prio class

[dark token]

Ele is pretty good as well

[viscid vine]

i swear they need to lower the cd on shiv and give us an extra charge

[past forum]

If you press Starsurge with 2+ targets alive the Council of the Moon will come and pluck your feathers out

[high jetty]

Haven’t played rogue since legion, can some one talk to me about m+ builds? I see several options on logs ( which is great) but how does one decide which build to play and when

[silk bane]

what would that accomplish though?

[runic hinge]

100% ap uptime just like I’ve been dreaming of

Double duration give us 4 charges and you get big dam bonus all the time

[bronze pike]

[runic hinge]

[ebon notch]

Ele is insanely slept on

For its funnel

[spice spire]

Any funnelers in chat

[viscid spear]

Funneler?

[shy pecan]

Funnel this

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/965830301093888042.gif?size=56&quality=lossless

funnel this

[runic hinge]

This was my exact thought but I feel like I make that joke too often

[rotund oak]

Ele big pog

[spice spire]

I might @ both

[sinful bolt]

no more talent trees on this discord?

[royal lantern]

it all links to the WoWhead guide cus its written by whisp anyway

[fringe mirage]

WTF i dont know Whats happening but my wafting devotion is not using like before:)

[royal lantern]

huh?

[fringe mirage]

like 9 min fight my wafting used 2 time:))

[spice spire]

Low rolled

Sux

[earnest remnant]

skill issue

just proc more

[spice spire]

Toxic mf

[earnest remnant]

been playing healer alot lately

changing me

frfr

[kind forge]

healers are supposed to be least toxic

[marble hemlock]

stealthi saw the healer uwu slides and thought "i wanna be sending that to people"

[earnest remnant]

gonna start catfishing people

into sending me gold

[void mesa]

That slide may have been the most cursed ppt ive ever seen

[marble hemlock]

ye it was both adorable and horrifying at the same time

[earnest remnant]

i have like 200k gold left

[marble hemlock]

you not doing boosts?

[earnest remnant]

its not good

no we dont

[marble hemlock]

[void mesa]

The scary thing is that some people may send it unironically

And that terrifies me ;_;

[marble hemlock]

why

someone sending it unironically

[royal lantern]

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHHAAH

[marble hemlock]

would just be someone really enjoying what they do

[void mesa]

Cuz its someone unironically using uwu

[thorn fjord]

uwu

[void mesa]

[thorn fjord]

Really hate this game

[void mesa]

Ohdamn 😦

Curiosity, how did the nerf feel for your group? Mine started 2 weeks ago, we're settling into P2 at near 200 pulls

[static glacier]

tindral made me fall out of love with raiding tbh

made me resent healers / ranged since that'll be the people responsible for like 80-90% of the wipes

[void mesa]

Oh lol

[clever sapphire]

good thing the next boss is different

OH WAIT

[static glacier]

[void mesa]

For me its but somehow better than Smolderon, at least the fight/wipes get a bit different

[static glacier]

I respect that our class is very good at surviving / having an easy time

but like

[void mesa]

Smold we just had dummies getting hit by waves for 200 pulls ;_;

[static glacier]

it's just cringe having late dispell having ranged die and nuking the raid for the 100th time

[fallow canopy]

Smolderon is a banger fight tho, don't know if hot take but reminds me of rashok last season

[static glacier]

rashok was more fun imo

[void mesa]

I think Smolderon is a better fight

[clever sapphire]

smolderon is fun

[void mesa]

But tindral is having a better prog on my group

(For now)

[clever sapphire]

tindral is also kinda fun, actually having mechanics and movement

the bad part is that everything oneshots

[static glacier]

tindral is a good fight

with difficulty in the wrong places tbh

[royal lantern]

god i hate m+ andys

like

words cant describe it

[void mesa]

I also think pre-nerf tindral was stupis

[royal lantern]

doing a fucking +18 weekly key

[void mesa]

Doing it now makes me imagine and ridiculous it used to be

[royal lantern]

tank is a 3,7k shitgance tank

that pulls boss to boss with a healer that never did keys above 20

people chain dying

and still doing it

[clever sapphire]

killed it like right before the nerf and it was fine imo, like sure no mistakes were alloved pretty much

but my cooldowns would be fecked with the new nerf

[void mesa]

Its a new learnint process with timings

[clever sapphire]

ah ye thats the 18 weekly experience that we all know and love

[static glacier]

I was past the point of caring about logs

[void mesa]

But the boss looked just, so punishing

[static glacier]

the boss took over 400 wipes, we just wanted it dead

[royal lantern]

reaching 3rd boss in DHT, constantly running cricles rought eggs so he can pad dmg on whelpings, loses aggro on boss the entire time and then tells everyone that they should do more dmg

like

jesus christ

m+ andys

thinking they are good

when they cant even hold aggro on a +18 key

incredible

[void mesa]

I especially hate that one mistake makes it so that no one can practice mechanics, just insta wipe

[clever sapphire]

its not about logs, its that we would have early phased p2 and it would have been weird

[static glacier]

you just hold

[clever sapphire]

ye

thats weird

[static glacier]

rl calls stop at the end of p2, feelsbad but w/e we wait

or you conviniently have 1-2 deaths 🙂

no hold needed

[clever sapphire]

i stopped doing keys for this reason, i dont care about getting those last 2 pieces of gear on max ilvl

cant be bothered with a shitshow each week

[royal lantern]

like

[clever sapphire]

wait you have to dmg stop?

[royal lantern]

higher then 3,3k = giant ego and still sucks at the game cus all they do is just abusing broken classes/specs lol

every single time

[static glacier]

if you'd push the boss too fast p1 yeah

p2 is timebased

[clever sapphire]

p2 phases at 40%

[static glacier]

iirc we had death so didn't have to hold

with all alive we sometimes held for like 4-5s

[clever sapphire]

we were phasing it at 44%, so with the nerf we would have had phased it a lot earlier

[clever sapphire]

3,3k is usually where they hit their breakpoint

atleast from my exp

they dont go above 3.3

if they actually suck

[static glacier]

respect to all the m+ enjoyers

but like

I see no point to bash ur head against the pug wall trying to pug 27s

just to deplete 9/10 of them

personally I only do stuff above 23 if guildies want it and I treat it as a weekly for vault

[clever sapphire]

23+ and weekly for vault doesnt add up tho

[static glacier]

blizzard failed to make it rewarding beyond ego / bragging rights. if 25+ gave myth track i'd be all there

[static glacier]

idk, friends wanted 26 everbloom and I wanted a weekly, checks out

[royal lantern]

spam "High keys" and fail them all

get that 1 lucky group that carries you trought it after 19 failed ones

number goes up

"im a high level m+ player, im good at the game"

[clever sapphire]

if 25+ gave myth track you would have 95% of the playerbase crying out loud that its locked for the pros

[static glacier]

you're right

[royal lantern]

good reason

[static glacier]

but still, there needs to be more than just a title

[royal lantern]

cus that would be BS as hell

might aswell remove raid gear at that point 100% lol

[clever sapphire]

yap

make mythic raid gear into transmog

hc gear is the highest

problem solved

[royal lantern]

not like as if 90% of your slots are m+ gear at this point 🙂

[static glacier]

I think 3.5-7k score is harder than ce

tbh with you

[royal lantern]

m+ beeing better for getting raid gear then raiding itself

[clever sapphire]

3.5 is just having 10 hours a day to spam keys

[royal lantern]

nah lol

you can bruteforce score so hard

[clever sapphire]

yap

[static glacier]

same with raiding, no?

[royal lantern]

just reroll FOTM

and spam keys

[royal lantern]

raiding is WAY more commitment in all forms

[clever sapphire]

you wont catch a heroic raider skilled player on mythic fyrakk, yet you can catch him at 3.5 score if he is playing meta and spamming keys

cause those players will be bench warmers

[static glacier]

the logistics of it being 20 people instead of 5 for sure, but outside of that it's a group of people bashing their heads against content, strategising and going again

[royal lantern]

^

except most dont strategize

[static glacier]

zug zug

[royal lantern]

you can litearlly pug yourself to 3,5k

[static glacier]

I agree

have a friend of less than stellar quality

3.5k on mw

still clowns in 20s

[royal lantern]

if the content doesnt even need voice coms, you know that it isnt that deep by default

like

this season?

trash doesnt do shit

most bosses doesnt do shit beyond "survive this 1 hit ability lol"

[static glacier]

tbh with you

raiding doesn't need comms

[clever sapphire]

it needs a raidlead

[static glacier]

unironically

[clever sapphire]

because there will always be 2-3 players that can play the boss without one sure

but 17 will need it

[static glacier]

you could play the last 3 bosses with bigwigs alone

comms HELP

but you don't NEED them

same for keys

[clever sapphire]

you wont get past larodar without comms

[static glacier]

why not? set people assigned on a mrt note

for the fire fighter shit

[clever sapphire]

well what do we see as comms

[static glacier]

Im one of the people who 100% zone out and stop listening during raid

[clever sapphire]

this

[static glacier]

thing is people fixate on stuff like rotational gameplay when it doesn't matter

[clever sapphire]

someone told our raidlead he is talkin too much, 10 people spoke up that they would die to half the shit if the raidlead wasnt saying that shit

[static glacier]

a 50 log kills the boss like a 95

you're 1 out of 14 dps

people get mc syndrome and lose sight of the bigger picture

dps checks aren't real, mechanics are if you're still progging this late

[clever sapphire]

smolderon is a dps check, tindral is a dps check because ability overlaps at the end will kill you, roots will kill you if you have shit aoe, fyrakk dunno but he has a big ass shield so a legit dps check

[static glacier]

you telling me your group didn't fail a single mechanic, got to enrage with everyone alive

at 485 average ilvl?

no shot

unless your mage is a vanilla andy pressing only frostbolt

[clever sapphire]

6:28 fight, 2 people dead

dunno when enrage starts

[static glacier]

any missed orbs?

[clever sapphire]

no idea, boss died like one and a half months ago

just checked death log

[earnest remnant]

pre nerf tindral is the best boss of the expansion

hands down

[static glacier]

it's a great boss, just very unforgiving

[clever sapphire]

tindral we killed at 7:07 with 1 death

and it was close to the ability overlaps

(pre 10% nerf)

[vestal wren]

i rly liked grimtotem

[static glacier]

for guilds like mine and below (2 day wr 600+) I've never once felt a dps check was real, it's missed either due to deaths or someone heavily misplaying a mechanic and not getting to dps for a long time

[vestal wren]

even if it wasn't a particularly difficult boss

[clever sapphire]

you mean the one where you had 16 seeds or so with a 3 sec timer?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[clever sapphire]

im glad i never got to experience that

[fallow canopy]

x2

[clever sapphire]

im pretty sure we would still be wiping in p2

[royal lantern]

mate

if 3 sec seeds would still be a thing

im convinced HoF would still not be filled

[clever sapphire]

just do mechanics better

[royal lantern]

i actually liked the spider boss

[clever sapphire]

spider boss made my first dragonflight guild disband

[vestal wren]

chatgpt, how do i delete messages of other users in discord?

[royal lantern]

tbf, probs helped that assa had double step

which just lets you 100% ignore the main mechanic of the fight

[worldly sail]

i hated spider boss because some people in my guild had a bug where they kept spinning for no reason

[vestal wren]

my 2c on spider

[clever sapphire]

i hated it because some people in my guild had a bug where they would die to slippery ice

[vestal wren]

i am not saying every game gets it correct

but if i play games with ice mechanics that impact movement

it is very noticable what games get it wrong

[gusty mirage]

Naw, there were enough people to fill it progging fyrak before that nerf hit

[vestal wren]

and what games make it a nice change of pace

[worldly sail]

blizzard should just import ice mechanics from trackmania

[lethal heart]

tindral and fyrakk pre nerfs were good one time fights

[vestal wren]

wow does fall into the first category

[lethal heart]

but if you had to farm them for multiple months

its joever

some weeks oyu'd fail to rekill

[vestal wren]

there was nothing fun about the slippery ice

[clever sapphire]

which one? cause they changed it like 3-4 times no?

[lethal heart]

gear barely gave you anything, you'd skip like 1 shitty overlap maybe

[clever sapphire]

looked fun as a dh

they just speed slid up the stairs

[vestal wren]

looked fun as dh

*dk

press cooldown -> ignore it entirely

[gusty mirage]

If those bosses didn’t get gutted the way they did I legit would’ve just afked until war within

[clever sapphire]

SAAAAME

[gusty mirage]

Tindral was the most satisfying boss kill of my wow career

[vestal wren]

rashock was a banger

[gusty mirage]

Rashok was the best boss this expac hands down

[lethal heart]

i think raszageth was best for me this expansion

[gusty mirage]

Rashok was just so good especially early on

Tuned perfectly

[static glacier]

Early rashok reminded me of sludgefist

pre-nerf

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

no endless bullshit micromanagment for the raid leading side

no WA bullshit

no mechanical bullshit

just clear mechanics, punishing if you screw them up, everyone needs to play good

im honestly feel bad for RL for a long time now

that endless raid preperation stuff must be so exhausting

and just getting worse and worse all the time

[vestal wren]

i thought the visuals for the fight ended up a bit weak

[dark crag]

The raz flying swiping like fyrakk visual now would've been good

[gusty mirage]

Literally a of a boss

[worldly sail]

rashok killed the guild i started dragonflight with, tindral killed the guild i joined next i love dragonflight

rashok was a real banger though

[vestal wren]

yep

[potent python]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[subtle tundra]

Felt like we just hit the good rng one pull and we won

💀

Though noticing prog as clearly was cool

[gusty mirage]

Yeah most of the satisfaction was knowing I wasn’t going to see that boss again until after it got murdered

[clever sapphire]

im never gonna see that boss again

even if we are reprogging or in S4 i will bench myself

xD

[subtle tundra]

Wild how my opinion of the boss for reclear is so wildly different from others

We can boost 2 people on it and 1 shot the boss

[gusty mirage]

by the time we killed fyrakk the boss got deleted

so our reclear was chill

lol

[royal lantern]

oxi

we saw p3 for the first time yesterday

[gusty mirage]

hi

pog

with the hp nerfs that's legit dead any pull now

you gotta do 2 MAYBE 3 seed drops

and it dies

are you lusting p3

[royal lantern]

"saw" means " tree was exploding and he transitioned into p3 at the same time"

STILL COUNTS

[gusty mirage]

new strat is to lust p2 ig

[royal lantern]

ye, guild is using hero when p2 starts

[subtle tundra]

On fyrakk?

[royal lantern]

not really usefull for me, but eh

[royal lantern]

ye

[subtle tundra]

Idk we still lusted p3

[royal lantern]

you are also not progressing the fight varas

[subtle tundra]

It did feel like it though

Half alt raid

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

😭

[royal lantern]

how many paladin mains suddenly showed up

[subtle tundra]

Idk I'm not doing both runs, my alt isn't seeing raid

I dont think folyr mistweaving in raid is legal

[royal lantern]

tbf

you say that

but then we had 8 p1 wipes in a row again

[gusty mirage]

I mean that happens

is what it is

[royal lantern]

its a weird fight

i dont like it at all

but hey, the new guild is really cool, raiding is fun with them

so its w/e

[gusty mirage]

we love it when the homies are enjoying themselves

[royal lantern]

the trashtalk is peak

[oblique smelt]

What's the site called that shows when people use cooldowns, i haven't raided at all this tier, and got asked to help old guild with Smolderon prog

[woeful meteor]

lorrgs io

[vestal wren]

https://www.lorrgs.io/

or warcraftlogs

[oblique smelt]

thank you

yea i couldn't be bothered to scroll through wclogs

surprising that people use on cooldown, guess that lines up with 3rd intermission then

[vestal wren]

if you click on the name, you get send to the log on wcl

on lorrgs

[soft shale]

for smolderon i had this kinda but kill times changing a lot

[royal lantern]

eh

not really

thats old AF hacha

smoldy at this point is just "use on cd" tbh

[soft shale]

yea just send it

[balmy condor]

Only works to play around aug and you’re still getting 6:45 kill times

[lucid knoll]

top13 fyrakk parse lets goooo

[gray horizon]

guys i have a silly question

I'm getting two basically identical sims based on if i enchant/gem crit or mastery

which one would "feel" better though

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

you will never be able to tell the difference in any stat distribution from changing gems or enchants

[gray horizon]

you never know man

[ember mural]

[shy pecan]

You wouldn't. It's not like you're going from 0% crit to like 50% or something. It's like maybe 1% change from one to the other.

[keen spruce]

I definitely know

[blazing jewel]

[blazing jewel]

are you 9million io yet

[limber lion]

How much do you feel the effects of bloodlust?

[gray horizon]

0

[limber lion]

There you go

And that's like 20 enchants worth

Still nada

[royal lantern]

i do

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/get-well-soon-cat-cute-gif-6655604552655359480

[keen spruce]

i'm retired

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

i dont

its monday

full work week ahead

and 2 weeks until DD2 release

:c

[gray horizon]

ok neat ty guys im switching back to sin for fyrakk

i dont like sub or outlaw in raid

[royal lantern]

nobody likes sub in raid rn

[gray horizon]

i'm just bad at it tbh

i feel like i'm crushing it, at the top of the meters for every pull, then i look at logs and i'm grey parsing lmao

no clue what i'm doing wrong i hate that spec

[keen spruce]

if you're still in prog, no parses will be good

[royal lantern]

parses are a meme during prog

and sub is such a giga RNG gamble for parses anyway

allright, thats rogue in general rn

[keen spruce]

[gray horizon]

😦

lol

[proven jasper]

Parsing is fun!

[gray horizon]

reeee

[keen spruce]

our poor warlock

[gray horizon]

hows sin feel on frank?

[keen spruce]

5th on dps

2 parse

[royal lantern]

chill

[keen spruce]

we just started this week

[gray horizon]

i like chill

[keen spruce]

but it's pretty chill in p1

unless you get the first set of puddles

in your opener

[gray horizon]

oh yeah that would be garbo

[keen spruce]

but that's the same for everyone

[royal lantern]

my tindral kill was a 4 or 5

turns out, when only 7 people are alive when the boss dies

its slightly scuffed

[gray horizon]

just a little bit

[royal lantern]

assa is chill on fyrakk

send cds on pull, again on shield, then depeending on what your raid needs

[lucid knoll]

if you get used to it, you lose 2gcds max

just always cloak first firestorm and it is ez

[keen spruce]

we only had like one day of pulls

so no one is used to anything

[lucid knoll]

yeah, that is fine

just always cloak first firestorm

no matter if you get puddles or not

[blazing jewel]

Make sure to tell your tank to not move the boss whenever your poison bomb procs

It’s very important

[royal lantern]

everyone knows that pb only procs when the boss is moving

[compact wing]

You can literally keep 100% uptime on boss during firestorm without cloak tho

[lucid knoll]

true, but I usually don't bother on first ones, and just cloak

since you don't really need it in p1

maybe sometimes when your healers don't dispell you for long

[keen spruce]

i didn't really notice firestorms ever being like

a thing i paid attention to

there's always a spot to stand

[agile wind]

hey im just coming back from playing Warrior but i dont know what talents to do for assasination rogue, i dont know what dance and bone spike is? i do not have no set piece currently can anybody tell me what my talents should look like?

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

[compact wing]

Normally just cloaked the blaze/baits lineup before 2nd rend

[gilded oasis]

we're ramping

[runic hinge]

I gave up at 3k

If i had a team maybe I’d push a bit higher but pugging makes me wanna die

[gilded oasis]

i get pity mon night keys from my tank bf

[runic hinge]

My whole guild is done for the patch

[gilded oasis]

my whole guild does that at the beginning of the patch except the 5 people that play together

[runic hinge]

I'm on the board

lmao

[balmy condor]

Let’s fucking go

[runic hinge]

Don't look at the log

[balmy condor]

I’m looking at the log

[silk bane]

are you a log? cuz i like looking at you. nerdrizz stonks

[runic hinge]

NO

I scuffed it super hard

we hit 2 intermissions and i fucked my re-open

Also they gave PI to a fury warrior

[oak tangle]

dead is dead though

[steel ridge]

classic

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

Decided to pug

Happy to have any boss kill at all

1 am tuesday morning was certainly a time for it

[storm forum]

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

i think tindral is going to kill my guild tomorrow

dont tell them i said that though

[runic hinge]

This was certainly something

My brain was full of panic

[shy pecan]

lol

Nice DM window

🙂

[runic hinge]

People were dying!

tbh I thought we were gonna wipe

[storm forum]

shiv dm shiv

gave me an aneurysm

good job

[runic hinge]

Full panic mode

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/lfg-gif-24650070

[runic hinge]

Also snd running out just as the intermission ended really fucked with my head on how to open

[keen spruce]

o ye gotta go smack the tree

while he's immune

to keep it up

or your group needs to burn branches faster

[runic hinge]

yeah we were in intermission forever, I just joined a random pug

tbh I thought we were gonna die in the second intermission it took so long

[rotund oak]

logs in pugs,just dont bother 😛

[runic hinge]

Was just looking to see how badly I played lol

[gilded oasis]

I can feel the panic

[dapper moat]

btw is there any paid services where you can get anylytics of your logs? 😄

[rotund oak]

yup u should always (ideally have envenom buff) into DM=>shiv=>KB=>Gar=>envenom(envenom gar can be to each others place,depends on cps and envenom buff)=>2nd shiv when 1st falls=>pot at <8sec and vanish <3sec

[dapper moat]

i do pretty much this and still parce 60-65 😄

i think my energy pooling outside the window is the problem

also i prepot from counter 2-1sec

and not when i start my dm window

not sure if its a big thing

[rotund oak]

parsing in general depends of alot of stuff,e.g do u overlap ur envenoms to get xtra dmg on aoe/cleave fights

downtime

death( xd)

kill timer

gear

[dapper moat]

quite often overlapping envenoms i think, should i always let one almost to fall before casting a new one?

[runic hinge]

3 people already dead and a branch still up and cheat procced and I already Heath potted. Then suddenly he’s out and I’m like oh shit snd is gone now what. Mind blank like I haven’t done the opener 1000 times

[rotund oak]

if u are specced into spatter and have to cleave e.g on gnarroot on mythic there are set of adds,for high parse u need to allign KB with adds and play spatter to pad the adds

that also applies on igira for chains

[dapper moat]

aaah i see ty m8

[rotund oak]

u press KB on chains

[dapper moat]

pretty sure i cant get the adds affected with my KB yeah

[rotund oak]

u just need to be prepared 😛

[balmy condor]

Pooling in its entirety is only worth around 1.5 to 2%

Just btw

You’re not gonna fuck a parse just because you didn’t pool sim perfect

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

Like yes it’s gameplay that’s optimal

But it’s not really all that important

[dapper moat]

good to know also m8 many thanks

[balmy condor]

Just making an effort to pool is basically 90% of the way there :P

[dapper moat]

yeah like sap quided, pretty sure mys spatter game is bit off atm 🙂

[rotund oak]

its more interesting to firstly focus on ur ST

coz its the dps that trully matters

[balmy condor]

At the end of the day if you didn’t crit the last 2 ticks of your opener kb you just kinda sigh and go next

[oak tangle]

i take solace in my guild that the fights where i have not been top dps in the past was fights where there was free add damage

[dapper moat]

is it big drop if pre-potting from start instead before the DM? As im sure pot last through the KB window anyway

[balmy condor]

Probably not but why would you

[rotund oak]

sniped some rly cool weeb emojis and im not afraid to use them

[balmy condor]

banger

[gaunt sigil]

[dapper moat]

yeah its a good point. I think cos the boesses are stillq uite new to me I have pre potted from start to minimize thigs to remember when DM window starts 😄

[balmy condor]

just macro it to deathmark

[dapper moat]

yeah gonna do it, atm have my branch macroed but adding pot also. Many thanks again 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[gaunt sigil]

I gave up on branch

Ashes gamer from now on

[dapper moat]

because the collection gameplay?

[gaunt sigil]

mhm

[dapper moat]

yeah its hard for me too 😄

[gaunt sigil]

It doesnt make sense on fyrakk

I quit using it on tswift

[dapper moat]

if ashen drop, i def try it out too

[gaunt sigil]

its just unfun

[balmy condor]

I should use it on tindral tbh but I'm so lazy to change gear

[gaunt sigil]

I just sit on ashes all the time now

[balmy condor]

tindral doesn't even count for all stars

[gaunt sigil]

The only time I equip branch is for smold when I play sub

[unique plume]

You can macro a pot with death mark?!?! For real?!

[balmy condor]

yeah?

[rotund oak]

its actually recommended by whispyr's guide

the purple dude above my head^^

[tepid hornet]

but on deathmark-pot macro why is pot after deathmark? Is it better that way?

[royal lantern]

?????????

[lusty kraken]

it's irrelevant which one is first, they get popped at the same time regardless

[balmy condor]

yeh I'm also very ?????????????????????? on that

potions aren't on gcd

[regal sable]

why is exsang icon called "sanguine blades" now

(in discord not in game)

[royal lantern]

cus exsang doesnt exist anymore...?

[regal sable]

u cant make it go away

even if u really want to

it will always exist in our memory

[royal lantern]

now sanguine blades needs to go away aswell and its 👌

[regal sable]

maybe u need to go away 🤨

[royal lantern]

i wish

[clever sapphire]

wdym go away, it doesnt exist

if i dont interact with it besides talenting it, it does not exist

[regal sable]

are we playing niya for mastery or dreamweaver for the haste when we use sepsis

[clever sapphire]

[royal lantern]

im sure it was mastery

not haste

[regal sable]

why is ur pfp a worm @royal lantern

is it for fishing bait

or

[bleak plume]

@balmy condor if u make macro to first use kingsbane, then second line in the macro is pot, kingsbane initial hit won't benefit from pot, right?

[royal lantern]

....mate

a macro is using everything at once

thats the entire point of a macro, putting multiple buttons into 1

[gaunt moat]

You can't tell me what to do. i'm putting every ability as its own macro

[dark token]

This is correct tho, it's possible it's not on the same server tick as your kingsbane

It depends if the blizz implementation if the whole macro is processed and executed in one tick or the lines are executed sequentially

I always put stuff like this for safety, just in case. It doesn't hurt
/Cast shadow dance
/Cast kingsbane

Rather than the dance after the kingsbane

[bleak plume]

I've always been macroing my "power-ups" strictly before the damage/healing effects ever since... Forever

Pretty sure in vanilla If you macro'd your spell before a trinket, it would not benefit

[tepid hornet]

spiteful is such a sad affix for a rogue wtf?

[bleak plume]

Afk week

[tepid hornet]

it shoukd exist considering is countering a whole class

[royal lantern]

not really

free CP for sub

free CT targets for assa

all rogue Specs benefit from spitefull tbh

[tepid hornet]

Yea depends if u play with random pugs i guess

[royal lantern]

not really

free cp generator targets/targets that boost CT dmg are always good

[bleak plume]

Aka pad on shades

[royal lantern]

no?

the fuck?

[bleak plume]

But your overall's gonna be lower on spiteful weeks in low m*

M+*

[royal lantern]

getting tatget boosted CT out is always good

having more targets gor a longer time for FoK/sub Weebstorm to generate CP is always good

stealth doesnt matter really

spitefull is annoying at worst

[bleak plume]

You're gonna tell me opening with a 1cp garrote is the same as opening with 3 crit buffed garrotes?

Yes it matters

[royal lantern]

🙂

@balmy condor

people dont belive me again

[bleak plume]

In high m+ it doesn't matter that much, you have time to set up

In low m+ where trash explodes it matters

And yes I've seen whispyr's video, I've played to 3.3k m+ and done a bunch of boosting this season

[regal sable]

in low M+ where trash explodes literally nothing matters bc the mobs r dead

[clever sapphire]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[clever sapphire]

all?

well if we consider outlaw as a warrior spec

then true

[royal lantern]

yes all 2

[dark token]

Outlaw also gets free cp gen from pressing blade flurry in shades

So it's not like its awful

[bleak plume]

Restealths matter even more for outlaw lmao

[royal lantern]

outlaw is fucked ye

but we talk about rogue rn

[subtle tundra]

dont they reset cds by just attacking spitefuls

just like subby

[royal lantern]

they want stealth for upper lower up down left right whatever handed that talent is called iirc

[subtle tundra]

they want stealth for my left hand up their asses

[bleak plume]

Outlaw wants to spend as much time as possible in subterfuge to halt AR ticking down, which spiteful prevents

[subtle tundra]

i was gonna type some mean shit about outlaw

but im changed

[royal lantern]

hi changed

[subtle tundra]

cheesed to meet you

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

You changed

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

he doesnt push m+ anymore

and made a mental recovery

[cunning geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn fjord]

We all get a nick today right?

[rotund oak]

got two a month now brother

[thorn fjord]

let me borrow one

[rotund oak]

ild trade u one if i could had a 3rd poping on my GV last week and took a socket

(but dont tell that to stealthi,he's gonna nuke me)

[thorn fjord]

Thats insane lol

[rotund oak]

yup my last-month-GV are all insane

i only need a myth track legs and ashes and im done

[gusty mirage]

I didn't do a key, so probably not

[thorn fjord]

I stopped going for 2-3 M+ vaults back in January lol

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

So ive been banking on the 1 slot luck lol

[spice surge]

Not doing keys anymore 🤝

[rotund oak]

[gusty mirage]

I have my full raid vault slots for my socket

[thorn fjord]

You guys are still reclearing?

[gusty mirage]

of course

3.5 hour reclear

full clear

[thorn fjord]

Nice

I think we hit 550 pulls on Swift tonight

[gusty mirage]

jesus christ

[thorn fjord]

Roster boss and other issues have been kicking our ass

Very unfort