that's actually cursed
#assassination
balmy condor
gaunt moat
are you insane? it's shift+f
hexed willow
are you insane? it's shift+f
Ayyy mine is shift f too
spice surge
that's actually cursed
"using shadowstep after casting poisoned knife applies kingsbane"
gaunt moat
only crazy people don't use shift F for PK
proven jasper
"using shadowstep after casting poisoned knife applies kingsbane"
delete this NOW
gilded oasis
well it was shift 1 but I needed somewhere to put ambush
gilded oasis
nah I hate hitting shift
hexed willow
How do you think they’re going to double down on Kingsbane
proven jasper
FOR POISNED KNIFE??
gilded oasis
I like PK how else was I supposed to keep poisons up and get CP while running around?? hello
plain moon
Gentleman realize poison knife is shift+v
gaunt moat
i can't
gaunt moat
Zar is too far gone
gilded oasis
most my keybinds are on my mouse or ctrl modified
proven jasper
I seriously don’t think ive pressed poisoned knife a single time in my now 3 years of playing assa
shy heron
Shift+v is shadowstep
gilded oasis
I seriously don’t think ive pressed poisoned knife a single time in my now 3 yea...
Yeah well I used it a lot in MOP
spice surge
I threw a poison knife or two on sark to get some extra cp before going down after p1
But its not like it was consequential
gaunt moat
PK is even bugged
gaunt moat
PK doesn't apply two stacks of poison, but only if it's deadly poison
royal lantern
Yeah doesnt pk reset ur poison stacks?
so does litearlly everything else you do lol
gilded oasis
ok well it wasnt always bugged
proven jasper
PK doesn't apply two stacks of poison, but only if it's deadly poison
Yeah this is what i meant
close enough
gaunt moat
basically, it only matters if you're trying to build stacks of poison during Kingsbane using PK
like, don't
(unless you're playing deathstalker, that's ALL ABOUT poison knife)
gilded oasis
(Sign me up)
gaunt moat
get those shift-1 binds ready
gilded oasis
proven jasper
Poisoned knife about to go on the 1 key??
gilded oasis
nah dont be weird
gilded oasis
LOL
storm forum
Hi, did I miss Realz shit posting here or in another channel?
proven jasper
He did shit post a little in the outlaw chat
gilded oasis
realz is a good boy he would never shitpost
gaunt moat
Hi, did I miss Realz shit posting *here* or in another channel?
you know what that means?
we're safe here
gilded oasis
well the tree had nothing to do with us
gaunt moat
yes, but we can shit talk it without reprucusions
gilded oasis
Im ready for my tree 
gilded oasis
yes, but we can shit talk it without reprucusions
but I love drums
storm forum
Thanks
gaunt moat
it took me like 30 seconds to get it
storm forum
I love dooming
gilded oasis
at least you got it
spice spire
I love dooming
You changed
storm forum
Tbh I'm kind of doomed out rn
spice spire
Since you became an edater
storm forum
????
spice spire
???
storm forum
I've always been a doomer
gilded oasis
and Quake's always been a boomer
spice spire
and Quake's always been a boomer
Alright grandma.
gilded oasis
Alright grandma.
I couldn't help it
storm forum
Wait did I do the thing where I think I'm presenting myself as something but I'm too much of a social dumbass to realize I'm doing it wrong?
storm forum
Also I think I got ghosted by my ebf. I've been left on read for 11 days now. .-.
gilded oasis
past forum
but I love drums
gilded oasis
https://tenor.com/view/rim-shot-drums-monkey-bored-ba-dum-tss-gif-17936293
I am a gem
you'll all miss me when Im gone
gaunt moat
Also I think I got ghosted by my ebf. I've been left on read for 11 days now. .-...
I'm just he's just sleeping 
spice spire
you'll all miss me when Im gone
I will
proven jasper
Wrong person 
gilded oasis
damn that was quick
proven jasper
spice spire
Did I miss something?
spice spire
Missed u(s)
tepid hornet
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
gusty mirage
Did I miss something? <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
You missed the message where no one noticed you were gone
spice spire
Good
spice spire
Delete this nephew
crisp pine
group meowing does infact begin in 5 minutes
I'm ready
void mesa
I clicked on outlaw and it said something like 1k+ message in the last hour??
Are they dooming or are they just real happy x)
spice spire
Defensives as damage is unpog
void mesa
Yeah
royal lantern
group meowing does infact begin in 5 minutes
spice spire
Hate it here
shy pecan
clever sapphire
I think it has some interesting concepts
yap, like the 1 hour tricks, aaaand thats about it
regal sable
if distract actually becomes ranged smoke bomb i maybe be pogging
void mesa
That choice node felt wacky and just funny
The smoke bomb thing felt... like a cool brainstorm that wasnt done cooking?
regal sable
90 sec ranged smokebomb that lasts 2x as long as the 3 min smokebomb
clever sapphire
im not even sure whats worse, feint becoming a builder and actual dps cooldown, or that the rest of the nodes could just be a "your finishers do more dmg"
spice spire
Idk. I’m not going to comment on the thought process behind everything because I’m sure people worked very hard on it, and it was a time consuming ordeal.
I can say I’m not a fan of utility/defensives being moved to a damage option, and have always been outspoken about how much I dislike it
void mesa
I think the idea of the Fazed proc may not be too bad, but also, outlaw mayyy become too random proc at some point, or these wont be significant enough and it will be fully ignored
clever sapphire
the reasoning i can see behind it is legit that outlaw and sub are spamming feint currently anyways and thats the only ability really in common with the 2, so they just tried to make that button more effective
hallow token
of ~course~ the first rogue hero talent tree they show is sub/outlaw.
going to have to fix assassination before they can do either of our hero options.
shy pecan
Eh. Not like it matters. If anything, people getting up in arms over the first passes of the tree
royal lantern
going to have to fix assassination before they can do either of our hero options...
fix what
hallow token
fix what
the 3% across the board damage nerf they applied to Assassination back in December, for one thing.
hallow token
just get more vers
I'd want more Versatility to modify the prior 100%, not for trying to close the gap between the prior 100% and the 97% of that.
tepid hornet
i rly like assass but also rly dont like thistle tea what a bummer, but ure kinda forced into it
regal sable
sorry im saying something equally as dumb because ur post made me laugh
if a 3% aura nerf that gets normalized literally every xpac is what makes a spec "broken" and warrant fixing in ur eyes idk
balmy condor
Assassination is a broken and unplayable package
Give me 3% number big
Such a nuanced and well thought out position could only come out of the forums
regal sable
wait im about to blow his mind
7% aura buff earlier so
we're actually at net +4%
you're 104% efficiency
modified by vers
holy fuck assassination is fixed
login
raid rn
royal lantern
the 3% across the board damage nerf they applied to Assassination back in Decemb...
and what the hell has current balancing to do with talent desing for the future
like???????
everytime i think im cooked i read stuff like that
balmy condor
we're actually at net +4%
you got me
balmy condor
Slight correction though, that 7% means 107%
Already factoring in all the + and - nerfs
regal sable
oh so the -3% nerf post 7% buff is actually a 3.21% nerf?
hallow token
What's that from?
regal sable
What's that from?
the spec aura
balmy condor
oh so the -3% nerf post 7% buff is actually a 3.21% nerf?
Well no
tepid hornet
why dont they buff assass if its considerably weaker than the other specs? and was it stronger earlier in this expac?
also how was it in shadowlands?
balmy condor
Cause it’s -3% of whatever it was before
They’re multipliers
Like say a spec aura is 150%
A 3% nerf wouldn’t be 147%
Because that’s not 3% of 150
regal sable
yeah but if the spec is 100% baseline, buffed by 7% to 107%
then 3% of 107 is 3.21?
balmy condor
Yeah, so it was 110.21 before
royal lantern
why dont they buff assass if its considerably weaker than the other specs? and w...
nobody knows why, balancing overall is just finished this patch, sucks but it is what it is
assa was mostly bad in SL
balmy condor
(Most likely they just chopped the decimals off though)
royal lantern
cease
balmy condor
Banned
regal sable
also why is kingsbane so op wtf
royal lantern
thats the deathstalker tree
assa and sub both have rupture
both get exsang
regal sable
YOOOOO
balmy condor
also why is kingsbane so op wtf
People begged for big kingsbane, then dtb+kb exodia got built and now it’s the entire spec
royal lantern
literally sectech???
except it has like, 3x the cd
tepid hornet
why does garrote need a cd to begin with? In what does it help the balance?
royal lantern
and nothing does dmg outside of kb
balmy condor
750k isn’t that big
royal lantern
ye, with cds its like 2million
regal sable
sorry ill stop trolling u guys with pvp talk
balmy condor
why does garrote need a cd to begin with? In what does it help the balance?
Would cause garrote spamming to be a thing in aoe
regal sable
yea
regal sable
whispyr surely ive
said enough stuff in assa chat
for u to know everything i say is pointless
balmy condor
That mini game is held together by spit and duct tape
Even the tuning is just nonsense
spice spire
for u to know everything i say is pointless
True
regal sable
i literally just drop in to see how many ppl will talk about exsang if i mention it
and maybe meme about balance
spice spire
and maybe meme about balance
Lil bro this ain’t the Druid discord
regal sable
omg can i send u chicken pics
spice spire
Pls don’t
regal sable
pls
royal lantern
Even the tuning is just nonsense
you know the shity trickster "cant be dodged/parried" thing?
in pvp that means warrior doesnt have a main deff cd against rogue anymore
they care about PvP btw
regal sable
you know the shity trickster "cant be dodged/parried" thing?
in pvp that means ...
L take
its actually useless in pvp 95% of the time
royal lantern
and 99% of time in pve
tepid hornet
hows assass in pvp?
regal sable
inshallah boss will parry ur kingsbane
shy pecan
its actually useless in pvp 95% of the time
Damn, being feisty today
regal sable
no but rogue rarely kills outside of stun
things dont parry if they're stunned
it means so little
royal lantern
hows assass in pvp?
mate, last time i did any form of pvp was during BfA to get blood of the enemy
regal sable
hows assass in pvp?
outlaw most meta atm but assass is hella fun
@balmy condor is the caustic spatter bug being fixed soon?
balmy condor
What bug
balmy condor
??????
static glacier
the secret bug
tepid hornet
ive been swapping specs back n forth almost a week now, i like most aspects of all of them but i like many things on assas but that damned thistle tea i dont like that as a whole
hallow token
for u to know everything i say is pointless
If you're not good enough to solo with assassination in PVP you can still have fun causing trouble. Like stuns in interrupts and dismantling and shiv for healing reduction and all that, to help tip things in your teams favor. Or stealthing off to unattendaed flags or whatever.
balmy condor
ok so no
Talking to you feels like that scene where doctor strange gets punched out of his body and floats there like a spirit except I have to watch myself have a stroke trying to read words you say
past forum
if you have to ask, blud, you aint never gonna know
regal sable
If you're not good enough to solo with assassination in PVP you can still have f...
why is this replying to me
hallow token
why is this replying to me
it makes mistakes sometimes
regal sable
Talking to you feels like that scene where doctor strange gets punched out of hi...
AY i just dont wanna get
banned
if its not well known i will not spread it
balmy condor
I literally asked you what the bug is
regal sable
yea but last time i talked about a bug in public discord i got banned
not discord banned
wow banned
ripe bone
is it a positiv or negativ bug ? 🙂
regal sable
positiv
tepid hornet
so exploit xD
balmy condor
Figure it out
tepid hornet
Prob
royal lantern
Wtf am I reading
pvp "people" talk
tepid hornet
I have noone to share my pain for dislking thistle tea with why dors everyone here seem to love it its such garbage as a mechanic
coukd it be you are used to it
tepid hornet
thankfully we dont have to constantly apply slice n dice too thats another meh mechanic
regal sable
I have noone to share my pain for dislking thistle tea with why dors everyone he...
if ur out of energy its nice bc u press it and keep playing the game instead of going afk
if ur not out of energy its off gcd dmg increase
royal lantern
yes yes YES
embrace SnD hate
royal lantern
we like tea
"we"
tepid hornet
yea sure could just take it out and fix those problems by not needin it in the 1st place
regal sable
yea but we could take out bleed maintenance and snd and every other mechanic in the game
and u could auto attack for 200k dps
tepid hornet
yea not going that far but idk maybe im weird for not liking it as a mechanic
royal lantern
R u hating again
huh
im proud that somebody starts enjoying rogue and allready hates SnD
tepid hornet
thistle tea - snd = old and outdated
royal lantern
eh, tea not really
balmy condor
tea and snd are definitely old and outdated, but they aren't really causing issues either
royal lantern
^
tepid hornet
no they dont
regal sable
bring back hunger for blood
royal lantern
again, tea is a non issue for rogue cus its just "use when yellow bar low" in most cases
SnD for assa might aswell doesnt exist
is SnD stupid and kinda pointless? yeha sure
is it a problem that needa to be solved? not really when we have free talents that make you never re-cast it anyway, focus on more important things instead
balmy condor
I can't believe I read a 3 paragraph tryan post and went "what a reasonable response"
royal lantern
🫡
tepid hornet
but thistle tea u have to use at least once every kingsbane under 6 sec? so u need to mamage it to have at least 1 right?
shy pecan
I can't believe I read a 3 paragraph tryan post and went "what a reasonable resp...
There's firsts for everything 🙂
❤️ Tryan
royal lantern
thats 1 use at the very beginning of a fight, and then automaticaly will line up for every single kingsbane
cus kb 1min cd and tea 1min for a charge
tepid hornet
So u basically have 2 charges to use when u think u need em
tepid hornet
still dont see how it helps it kinda helps and doesnt i mean i can press tes cause im low yes then what ill do 2 mutilates and a finishiner and im back at the same
maybe im just bad
royal lantern
lets you keep envenom running for a bit longer
tepid hornet
i would pref to just do nothing than actively press an ability to get some energy for an extra finisher but its just the mastery dmg increase makin it mandatory
royal lantern
or you can use a tea to get energy before a kingsbane cus you went a bit careless with energy when it was about to come up
hallow token
still dont see how it helps it kinda helps and doesnt i mean i can press tes cau...
THere's been mentions here and there about letting energy pool. Like maybe in one of Whispyr's YouTube vids.
tepid hornet
around how much haste u guys have
royal lantern
30%
no, haste will not make a big difference in Energy
shy pecan
🙂
shy pecan
They help with dots ticking, yes.
But same could be said with crit, vers, and mastery.
hallow token
i would pref to just do nothing than actively press an ability to get some energ...
fwiw Method has a piece about pooling energy on this page here: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue/playstyle-and-rotation
tepid hornet
Im checkin the whysprvvids now ill see that too
So i vanish every 2nd kingbane btw?
Which goes off with deathmark
balmy condor
yes
deathmark and vanish is 2 min
kingsbane is 1 min
so every other kingsbane will be deathmark and vanish as well
tepid hornet
so the vanish will always be at last 3 sec of kingsbane
The same applies in m+?
I shouldnt use vanish just to spread garrotes on adds for whatever reason?
Just keep it for a kingsbane?
hallow token
If you have a boss fight happening or likely to happen before vansih refreshes, i'd not use it for random garrotes and would save it for the boss. but also, if you are playing shadow dance, that's less of an issue, I think.
royal lantern
The same applies in m+?
vanish in m+ should be used less static tbh
on adds you probs get more value for using it to spread bleeds if you need to do it, or for aoe silencing with garrote
balmy condor
yeh vanish for kingsbane is only in single target
hallow token
am a big fan of the aoe silence on garrote from stealth. very satisfying.
storm forum
Necro-ing the tea talk a bit, but I love tea cause it bails me out when I play badly (don't pool for non-DM KB).
tepid hornet
and always enbenon before i pop deathmark dance kingsbane?
Why is it important to envenom before them?
storm forum
5+ CP env dm shiv dance kb yeah
so that it's up for the beginning of KB
there are fights where you dont do it in the opener though for timing purposes
tepid hornet
but why envenom helps before dm/kingsbane
storm forum
DM is 16 sec and KB is 14
tepid hornet
It only increases weapon poison application chance? What else
storm forum
you only get 1 global between them so they overlap fully, that global is shiv
so you need to send env early if you want 100% env uptime during KB
the poison application chance is really important during KB because thats what scales the KB damage
every poison app is +15% or whatever damage
tepid hornet
Oh yes thata why it helps
so the plan in the kingsbane window is envenom as much as i can maintaining shiv?
static glacier
Necro-ing the tea talk a bit, but I love tea cause it bails me out when I play b...
on this topic, have you / others simmed dropping a env chain to pool for solo tea kb?
storm forum
I don't do advanced sims
static glacier
vs keeping env uptime + chain going
storm forum
im a feelcrafter
storm forum
so the plan in the kingsbane window is envenom as much as i can maintaining shiv...
yes
tepid hornet
feelings matter
storm forum
thank you UwU
tepid hornet
whatever ur gut tells u
static glacier
not attacking you dw
was curious
since it feels bad to run out of energy in kb
for sure
storm forum
yeah tea is just like, 1-2 bail out cards over a fight
gusty mirage
feelings matter
they do, but Lanille's feelings dont
storm forum
gusty mirage
<:pepehands:757566347558387803>
tepid hornet
Deathmark duplicates the dots that were active before u apply it?
hearty swan
i truly love sin.... i was determined to practice it and now it feels so comfy
tepid hornet
If i have a normal garrote, do deathmark, then apply improved garrote while deathmark is running?
What goes then?
balmy condor
deathmark will duplicate the improved garrote
tepid hornet
Duplication is dynamic?
balmy condor
if that's how you want to refer to it I guess
deathmarks duplicates whatever is on the target, and whatever is cast during deathmark
tepid hornet
Whatever version of a dot is applied at any time during deathmark, that wjat is duplicated?
balmy condor
yea
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
most garrote trackers do it via seeing if stealth is active when garrote was cast
oak tangle
Whatever version of a dot is applied at any time during deathmark, that wjat is ...
Death mark essentially just creates a copy of any of the relevant dots on the target. If it was there before dm or after dm doesn’t matter. That extra dot also disappears after dm drops
tepid hornet
yea
oak tangle
You can’t differentiate I guess, but you’re talking roughly 20 seconds of time where you just remember it’s buffed
Did I stealth apply the last garrotte? Yes? Wait it out
tepid hornet
So the main goal of all in kingsbane is keep envenom buff on you and shiv debuff on enemy thats it?
tepid hornet
and top it off with some thistle tea mastery at 6 sec and vanish for stealth crit+ at 3sec
oak tangle
Kb is all played towards maximising the last couple of ticks
tepid hornet
it gets clearer now i might actually not be lost
oak tangle
God forbid you mess up shiv
It’s better to have shiv for the end of kb than the start
versed mica
The last time I messed up shiv I literally died and went straight to hell
tepid hornet
the 2 shivs last for the whole duration of kingsbane easily dont they
oak tangle
Yes
tepid hornet
So i only every shiv every minute on kingsbane, we dont spare charges outside of it?
static glacier
yes
split jewel
The last time I messed up shiv I literally died and went straight to hell
what about when something parries Kingsbane?
versed mica
what about when something parries Kingsbane?
I reincarnate and become the unibomber
balmy condor
what are the odds this happened
the odds that what happened
you pressed kb on a spear?
it got parried?
parried looks like
balmy condor
banger
woeful meteor
parried on opener lol
well imagine you could be a Trickster no more parries
blazing jewel
silk bane
ebon notch
<@167090536602140682> I decided to play sin in raid today
wait i thought you stopped raiding
blazing jewel
idk they put me in main raid today
gilded oasis
Igira parried my KB Im sad
spice spire
idk they put me in main raid today
Sorry for ur loss king
balmy condor
wow killed tpain on last pull for the night
gz
outer cairn
2nd in boss dmg without pi
lol
my mistake. #1 boss damage without pi or a combat pot lol
gilded oasis
probably should be we are sin rogues.
outer cairn
oh i know just find it funny
gilded oasis
this was our top 4 boss damage (I wish I had pets to do all my damage)
blissful forge
this was our top 4 boss damage (I wish I had pets to do all my damage)
how can the sub loose to your assa????
ww monk equal with a sub 
gilded oasis
it was just boss not over all
blissful forge
still
gilded oasis
my mistake. #1 boss damage without pi or a combat pot lol
y u no pot 
blissful forge
cringe that the sub is close to a ww and a hunter in boss damage
gilded oasis
some people also just have bad nights or bad pulls 
bleak plume
Also big true
blazing kraken
does atrophic stack with buffs like devo aura?
grizzled jay
atro best poison
quaint hull
how can the sub loose to your assa????
If Tindral, prob paddington on roots.
gilded oasis
nah I padded more on roots than the sub rogue
he was flying, idk how much that messes with sub. I havent touched it this tier
rotund oak
when the boss turned to do the jav cast
tepid hornet
venomous wounds, its 7 energy per tick of garrote and rupture individually and stacks to 14 with both dots up? or its always 7 no matter if you have just garrote just rupture or both at the same time?
Its just 7 for either of them and they dont stack right?
regal sable
pre sure it says "each time they deal dmg" which means u get 7 on a rupture tick and 7 on a garrote tick
tepid hornet
that on paper on top of 10 energy per sec sounds enough to have a smooth regen, dunno how it feels so dry
spice surge
Mutilate costs a lot
regal sable
^
balmy condor
10 energy per second and 14 energy every 2 seconds
spice surge
Before haste youre getting 17 energy per second, mutilate costs 50
balmy condor
is 17 energy a second
and if you're looking at a 40-50 energy cost per gcd
good fucking luck
lmao
regal sable
Before haste youre getting 17 energy per second, mutilate costs 50
mine costs 60 hehe
blazing jewel
crab build
spice surge
Whats the lore behind the name
blazing jewel
tried to go left and right only
spice surge
Ah
spice surge
🦀
blazing jewel
unfortunate that you cant drop venomous wounds
that would be the true meaning of dry
shy pecan
Could be fun
tepid hornet
True
spice surge
Could be fun
If you invert details sure
shy pecan
Hell ya
spice surge
Always show me enjoyer
blazing jewel
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAOFVVVVEVVRQGJAQCQANVUUFRWJQUBiUUBA
this was crab build
regal sable
buff thistle tea
rotund oak
if you really wanted to...
could if u like torture 
tepid hornet
Shrouded suffocation silence only applies to the very 1st garrote from stealth? or more?
wrong, not that talent nvm
silence is 6 sec ok
But yes, silence garrote is only on the 1st after stealth?
quiet oar
unfortunate that you cant drop venomous wounds
Not with this attitude
balmy condor
But yes, silence garrote is only on the 1st after stealth?
3 seconds
improved garrote/subterfuge
tepid hornet
so anything talent that is "from stealth" works along subterfuge? improve garrote, master assassin, iron wire, shrouded suffocation?
tepid hornet
independent from sub
balmy condor
but yes, subterfuge extends stealth effects
improved garrote is basically just subterfuge for garrote effects
tepid hornet
and iron wire and shrouded suffocation have no duration on their own, they only proc for the 1st hit from stealth, BUT while subterfuge or shadow dance is active, they apply for that whole duration?
balmy condor
what
balmy condor
nah it's just
I know all of those words individually
but seeing you string them together like that
is very different
tepid hornet
so, shrouded suffocation, without subterfuge
it would only proc for 1 garrote coming from stealth
no more than that
balmy condor
do you have improved garrote?
tepid hornet
but while subterfuge or shadow dance is up, every garrote will make use of shrouded suffocation?
balmy condor
yes
tepid hornet
i have improved yes
tepid hornet
just trying to understand very specifically which goes with which to make my weak aura
i get it now ty
balmy condor
np
tepid hornet
so much theory to study
balmy condor
idk why we're tracking shrouded suff though
the combo points track themselves kinda
tepid hornet
maybe i dont need to
balmy condor
idk maybe you do
I don't personally see any reason to
I just watch my combo points
but if you need another something to tell you "hey garrote gives 3cp right now" then more power to you
that's what weakauras do
tepid hornet
mostly wanted to understand if its interaction is with subterfuge or improved garrote
balmy condor
yeh
tepid hornet
i see they work at the same time but individually and i got confused a bit
balmy condor
fatebound?
that's the sub/outlaw tree that got revealed
or is it trickster
oh it's trickster
fatebound dunno
that's assa/outlaw
could be like manipulating rng stuff
chances to proc
that kinda stuff
coins and secret society shit
john wick maybe we get a pistol too
clever sapphire
we getting a pen
balmy condor
"your fate is sealed"
and we get soulcap back
and life is good
we're back in legion
im home
back when m+ was a funny "pull everything we overgear" and you hung out with all your guild mates for hours grinding maw of souls
and then the tank would try and pull actually everything on the ship
and die
and you'd laugh about it cause yeah of course that's ridiculous
take me home
silk robin
i prefer randomness
balmy condor
spec is random enough already tbh
assa atm is one of the most rng specs in the game
silk robin
yeh aside from crit and procs, im talking something like mana tea effect on monks that empower random abilities
agile geode
more than outlaw?
balmy condor
more than outlaw?
on par
top 5 most rng specs dps wise are the rng proc build for enchance, frost dk, outlaw, assa, sub
storm or whatever the enhance build is called
balmy condor
yeh aside from crit and procs, im talking something like mana tea effect on monk...
yeh could be kinda cool I guess if they're tuned close
agile geode
just a defensive cd for dps is not
clever sapphire
trickster seems cool
only thing cool about it is the name 
agile geode
i like the killing spree stuff
balmy condor
the idea atm is that they don't really need to press feint for dps
cause the uptime is high enough without it
agile geode
yea
balmy condor
and it wouldn't be worth the gcd rotationally
so I think it'll probably end up being mostly fine
agile geode
at first impatc it seems like you have to spam it
balmy condor
but the feint stuff is a weird choice
the rest of the tree is great though
it's just the weird feint/distract stuff that's a bit wtf
balmy condor
can't do that
silk robin
might just be for pvp, they did the same with speccing into kidney shot bleeds and snd on use for cheapshot
agile geode
we'll see with more tuning in future ofc
balmy condor
might just be for pvp, they did the same with speccing into kidney shot bleeds a...
not how that works though
they don't make things "just for pvp"
balmy condor
that's my point
you don't
it's basically just flavor text
which is really weird to put onto a hero talent tree
I think it's a pretty minor design gripe overall though
the tree looks good compared to some of the other shit we've seen
silk robin
in whispyr we trust, save us
balmy condor
I ain't got shit to do with it
silk robin
save us all
silk robin
if you can't make sense of the spec then we are doomed, DOOMED
balmy condor
can't wait to do another sepsis cook
getting all of that working was brain melting
idk
the good news is that all the hero talents seem thematic over gameplay
like they're just "cool stuff"
and I think that's much nicer
than like trying to force something that might not work
trickster is just "dispatch and sectec do more damage and you get some passive damage"
banger
neat
spice surge
trickster is just "dispatch and sectec do more damage and you get some passive d...
Deathstalker is gonna be deathmark/kingsbane and shadowblades does more damage 
Gotta prep that cast sequence macro
balmy condor
I'd fuck with deathmark stuff
realisitically if assa is supposed to be a burst spec
I'd rather it be in deathmark
compared to kingsbane
I'm excited for deathstalker too
I smell a banger cookin
normal otter
Do we know when deathstalker concept will be released?
normal otter
Okay 😦
balmy condor
mountain thane was the very first one, and we just got the last warrior one
if that makes you feel better
bronze pike
like they're just "cool stuff"
I also appreciate that
But herald of the sun should have more Tauren paladin lore in it
(Trees nearly perfect so only valid feedback is lore shit) love to sEE It
sinful socket
Struggling on my vault and done some sim's etc but it seems counter intuitive... do i take a signet brand heroic (which has eluded me all this time) or Mythic 489 gloves
Currently have 483 Sandglass and 483 gloves
royal lantern
Struggling on my vault and done some sim's etc but it seems counter intuitive......
are you raiding mythic?
clever sapphire
are you mostly playing m+ or raid?
sinful socket
its for raid primarily, M+ i just fill vault and chill
clever sapphire
answer without you answering: Unless you are doing high end mythic, signet is not worth it
sinful socket
we are about to start Smolderon prog
royal lantern
i gues yeha
but tbh would personaly grab the gloves and just do smoldy heroic for a chance at the trinket
sinful socket
Witherbark/Signet then over the myth track gloves
sinful socket
i gues yeha
but tbh would personaly grab the gloves and just do smoldy heroic f...
ran it each week included this morning already not got it :/ amount of times i lost it to healers or bm hunters rolling off spec hurts my soul
royal lantern
signet just suffers that it is a VERY niche trinket
rotund oak
I ain't got shit to do with it
u lie,u are blizzard double agent with a sinister plan to torture us all
royal lantern
like, its Strong on fyrakk, decent on tindral and smoldy and bad everywhere else
vestal wren
u lie,u are blizzard double agent with a sinister plan to torture us all
time to add multistrike to kingsbane damage ticks
rotund oak
time to add multistrike to kingsbane damage ticks
So naughty
im game
now to cook instant poison proc into bleed'KB ticks
royal lantern
time to add multistrike to kingsbane damage ticks
what timestrike what
rotund oak
what timestrike what
Thats some cook drawn from the deepest dungeons of ravenholdt
we dont talk about it just yet
gusty mirage
time to add multistrike to kingsbane damage ticks
time to make kingsbane murder any king NPCs instantly
I want my immersion damnit
royal lantern
time to make kingsbane put this mask on any king
hey, thats me rn at work
gusty mirage
hey, thats me rn at work
that seems rather uncomfortable
dark token
I'm praying for sin/sub tree to be so goated u never think about pressing feint for dmg
viscid spear
time to make kingsbane put this mask on any king
dark token
We should get a passive in the sub/sin tree where flagellation gets a 30 sec CD reduction and also applies a stacking shadow dmg poison to the target and kingsbane gains you % haste (or mastery) based on how many combo points u spend in the duration
vestal wren
eon poison in the sin/sub tree 👀
dark token
There has to be a giga rupture talent in the tree right
It's one of the only shared abilities
arctic socket
Outlaw gets rupture?
orchid pewter
arctic socket
Feint makes you go pew pew pew
rotund oak
eon poison in the sin/sub tree 👀
yes plz
spice spire
Outlaw gets rupture?
The dream
royal lantern
clever sapphire
It's one of the only shared abilities
wdym, evasion as a dps talent incoming, also its gonna be on gcd from now on because reasons
quiet oar
wdym, evasion as a dps talent incoming, also its gonna be on gcd from now on bec...
Step and spatter are the equivelants
clever sapphire
im glad to see that my cursed takes are spreading
spice spire
thorn fjord
Quake knows nothing of hate
thorn fjord
Best way to review logs
clever sapphire
Oh mate, you didnt press step there
more like a new player comes in, sees that feint is a def cd and places it on a weird spot, just for someone to tell him later that feint is a dps cooldown
thorn fjord
Did the boss die? good mission complete
ember mural
arctic socket
I shan’t be reviewing logs
Can you review my log uncle
thorn fjord
Hows tampa bro
arctic socket
Tampa dis dick
arctic socket
I don’t have one but Imagine
spice spire
I don’t want to 
thorn fjord
unfortunate
spice spire
Y’all really be that old huh
Stay mad zoomer
thorny pond
Stay mad zoomer
Hey Judge
thorny pond
how are you
spice spire
Alive. How are you
thorny pond
atta boy
gusty mirage
Unsubbed for almost 5 months now
spice spire
Jesus
royal lantern
unrelated to assa
but man, the demo/destro tree looks sick af
like, THATS what hero trees should be
fits thematicaly very very good into those 2 specs, simple effects that play into the specs themself really good and make the gameplay better and at the same time dont warp everything around "play around this thing now"
more things like that pls
thorn fjord
Locks usually have it pretty good
gaunt moat
more things like that pls
I hear you
So Imma go ahead and build sin's tree all about poison knife
thorny pond
but man, the demo/destro tree looks sick af
Destro locks seem pretty upset by it
royal lantern
its good because its not trying to be overly complicated and forcing things
its just
"you play like you allready do, but now also gain cool effects that mix it up a bit but dont make huge changes"
vestal wren
but man, the demo/destro tree looks sick af
one of the best trees so far
i hoped that the trickster tree was more about gimicks
and only had some central dps nodes
royal lantern
tbf, its weird how different the trees are in general
you have some trees that are just "you gain 1 new ability that you will use on CD, the rest is mostly passive stuff that makes this 1 ability stronger and generic % buffs"
you have the 2 evoker trees that are litearlly just "you do the same shit you allready do 100% the same, but stronger/more often"
and you have some that litearlly warp the entire gameplay around themself
and they said that THIS was not the goal
so why is it so common then lol
(im not a fan of the entire concept anyway when normal class/spec trees are still lukewarm at best for quiet a few classes/specs)
gaunt moat
You know that situation where couple who have children don't get along well, find a solution to the problem by bringing another baby? (and it never works)
So that.
royal lantern
eh, i get the idea and why they do it
its just.......we are not at the stage where you can pull something like that off
when things like the druid class tree are a thing
Or (ww) monk trees
or sub spec tree
instead of focusing and refining those first, we allready get the first borrowed power system slaped on top of it, and im scared that they just ignore class/spec tree problems now because it will make even MORE problems trying to change them when there is an artifical 3rd tree slapped on top of it
- that imo the entire talk around the hero tree's felt like "casual bait" if that makes sense
they keept repeating "its for increasing class/spec identity! you are a X guy from Y class now!!!" and then pull random terms out of their backside, idk man
like, if that would atleast be the case, but its not really
gaunt moat
what, you don't feel like feint makes you tricky?
royal lantern
how is dark ranger hunter a dark ranger, when its all just "you have 1 dark ranger themed ability that you use every 30seconds on CD and then just do your normal hunter stuff that looks the same"
or everything around rogue
what the fuck is a trickster rogue, or a deathstalker rogue, or a fucking FATEBOUND rogue
what are those terms, where do they come from, whats the "fantasy" behind them
gaunt moat
To me when i think trickster, i immediately think "fazing the enemy to deal extra damage"
royal lantern
or also
why is priest suddenly an oracle with premonitions
since when has wow priest anything to do with future sight lol
gaunt moat
Valen?
i don't have issue with that
I remember like 4 months ago on whispyr's steam Realz said there was a bug he found in assassination that's "emberresing"
and that he's not gonna fix it because sin was really strong at the time and it would make it stronger.
i wonder if he ever got around to fixing it.
royal lantern
idk, i sound overly negative again
if they react to feedback fast like they did with the misstake that was Oracle, its gonna be allright in the end, or just w/e at worst
gaunt moat
They will, maybe in 11.2 11.2.5
clever sapphire
if they react to feedback fast like they did with the misstake that was Oracle, ...
they will just nerf its dmg so even if you choose that hero talent tree it wont be worth to press feint, problem solved
you dont have to press feint as a dps ability anymore
vestal wren
+ that imo the entire talk around the hero tree's felt like "casual bait" if tha...
i like the idea of a karma like system
where some talents fall into the category of X/Y subclass
and depending on what talents you skill, you are X or Y
it would have allowed the addition of hero talents in the regular tree
because now, its unclear if they are borrowed power systems
royal lantern
because now, its unclear if they are borrowed power systems
man, they are, lets be honest
its litearlly slightly more elaborate covenants, but with no lookout system from the start
vestal wren
unsure
war within is a arc so they might want to make the hero tree bigger over time
the baseline problem for me with hero talents is
you don't even know what each spec is supposed to represent
now you throw 3 more hero versions on top
and the only thing you know about them is the name
manic coral
is long arms legit for fyrakk or is it only nice to play with
dark token
is long arms legit for fyrakk or is it only nice to play with
its nice on fyrakk, even nicer on tindral, but imo not worth the dps loss as sin
if u really want long arms, play sub which gets it for free with no loss
that was the main reason i went sub over sin on those bosses
manic coral
i get that
idk im just so bad at sub after the rework its barley even worth it for me lol
dark token
imo if you didnt use it on tindral, fyrakk will be easier to go with out
thorny kraken
quick question, if you have sanguine blades do you always try to stay above 50% energy?
spice spire
No
gilded oasis
@spice spire hope you have a nice Wednesday (I thought it was Thur and now Im sorta sad)
lavish wagon
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No u. Ty though 
Don’t be sad it’ll be a good week, maybe!
gilded oasis
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Don’t be sad it’ll be a good wee...
just finished my free jr frosty and im makin brownies and cookies later so lookin up.
and planning a cruise 
dapper moat
what you guys think about this amulet?
Ouroboreal Necklet
Item Level 441
Binds when picked up
Neck
+1,251 Stamina
+276 Critical Strike (1.53% @ L70)
+1,105 Versatility (0.00% @ L70)
Equip: Dealing Fire damage grants you a shield absorbing 50933 Nature damage. Dealing Nature damage grants you a shield absorbing 50933 Fire damage. This effect may only occur every 1 min. (1m cooldown)
any good on sin? My old one is kinda meh champion versa one too and other vault items seems kinda meh with egg trinket, voiled serpent idol. One that I was concidering is 483 My'das talisman though.
dapper moat
yeah. Will do that then. 🙂
quiet oar
Sin likes every stat
dapper moat
just thoug if someone knew the defensive proc rate of the amu 😄
quiet oar
so it kinda boils down to ilvl and sims
spice surge
It procs every 1 minute
The defensive value is incredibly niche and almost never relevant
dapper moat
k m8
kinda bad vault this week but its ok 🙂 Having already higher trinkets good branch included 🙂
my'das talisman seems to be quite high on bloodmallet, I quess some sin non auto attacks counts as auto attacks with it?
dapper moat
yeah simming concurs 😄 socket time it is then..
keen spruce
Mydas is very w/e on Assas. You want branch or ashes for on-use. Then either pips, sandglass, or signet brand for passive.
gusty mirage
any good on sin? My old one is kinda meh champion versa one too and other vault ...
its aight
gusty mirage
<@226508540746006528> hope you have a nice Wednesday (I thought it was Thur and...
wtf
why do you hate me Zar
night iris
I haven't played wow in a minute, when did they remove exsang
spice spire
This patch it is now sanguine blades
night iris
Did they remove more buttons, I had a hard time playin during first few patches on dragonflight
night iris
I Carnage is also passive now
royal lantern
on the otherhand you gained kingsbane
limpid sonnet
Hey guys I am trying to get my assa going but with all the top-gear and dropimizers i do my assa ST is at least 20-30k below my outlaw/sub. I know my outlaw/sub are more "optimized" i.e. u know more juts crit/vers stacking but im wondering if im doing something wrong.
I have been trying a bunch of stat combos but i know that's not a magic +20k dps button. Is assa meant to be this much lower?
(i've simmed all stat combos this is just an example) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7RR6r9egGdTGoeBNFHBEvG
or a better top gear example; not that im looking for specific items but im just wondering how come there's such a gap between my builds.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ruoJQB1DKZV8tLgFepdwct
oak tangle
In saying that 207k is low for 484
limpid sonnet
ah ok thanks. ye my experience with assa is very limited always been an outlul into sub prison in the recent past 🙂
limpid sonnet
In saying that 207k is low for 484
do you see anything too out of bounds? I have a lot of the classic m+ loot in bags like rings/necks etc i can swap
oak tangle
No branch is a starter I guess
dark token
man sin is kinda better on fyrakk since the nerf
limpid sonnet
alright i do have branch can run that. I didnt know if it followed the classic rule of "ash is easier and not too bad"
dark token
timings line up so well for it
oak tangle
It is kinda like that, but branch is more betta
oak tangle
Signet needs like 3 mins to be worth
limpid sonnet
running branch/ash on sub on tindral kinda made getting orbs easy now
dark token
I hated running branch on tindral as sub
You have to collect orbs right after I run somewhere so not enough time
limpid sonnet
ye it do be like that
oak tangle
Oh the big one is you sim without pi
limpid sonnet
aye intetional, not getting PI in raid but i can see the diff there
too many UH/locks for me to even ask the 1 priest ;D
oak tangle
Ye we get cucked cause we balanced around pi
limpid sonnet
aha gotcha. i might then nnot even think about assa unless i have a secure PI
balmy condor
Ye we get cucked cause we balanced around pi
no we aren't please stop
oak tangle
I mean imo it’s a fun spec, but we so bursty we gain too much from pi
I will amend my statement from balanced around it, to being competitive with top dps with it
Which is a problem sub does not have
grizzled jay
do you see anything too out of bounds? I have a lot of the classic m+ loot in ba...
nice mog, one of the best rogue sets tbh
dark token
We were def balanced around PI, even now most of the sin rogue at 95% percentile are getting PI and it's solidly middle of pack
grizzled jay
I wish 90% of the Leather helms didn't look stupid on Undead lol
dark token
Without PI ur dooming and one of the bottom DPS on ST
grizzled jay
I will amend my statement from balanced around it, to being competitive with top...
its okay, Oracle Priest fixes it 
dark token
The only thing saving sin from bottom logging without PI is a nice dmg profile for sniping add dmg
quiet oar
Wasnt the reason we got nerfed
Or one of the reason
Thst spatter exploded
With These kingsbane dmg
oak tangle
But let’s be honest, would we have been nerfed if pi did not exist
bronze pike
yes
balmy condor
yes
bronze pike
cause sin was a outlier
oak tangle
It was an outlier cause of pi though
bronze pike
yall are obsessed with pi and it lowkey kinda shows
dark token
But let’s be honest, would we have been nerfed if pi did not exist
Yes but maybe not as much or not the 2nd set of nerfs
bronze pike
It was an outlier cause of pi though
nop
quiet oar
Sin was just Too op
bronze pike
sub surviving this long is also a deviation from the norm
balmy condor
the problem is that people go "look look, 99 percentile mythic it's not keeping up" when blizzard is tuning around like 70% heroic
like actual braindead shit
bronze pike
agreed
quiet oar
sub surviving this long is also a deviation from the norm
Ye
Sub not getting the nerf hammer
Is quite suprising
dark token
Sub not getting the nerf hammer
It's fine 
quiet oar
bronze pike
who knows why theyre not getting nerfed. could be ton of reason like how blizzard tunes for the 70 crowd
dark token
I think they just kinda put DF into life support and are actively devving TWW more
There are less changes than usual this season I think
bronze pike
thats probably the case
oak tangle
At the end of the day a spec has to be the top, so as long as it’s not significantly ahead there shouldn’t be that much concern, I get the sin was significantly ahead, but how much of that was pi and aug hooks. That we now lost both
bronze pike
fated will probably see minimum changes as all hands on deck for tww
balmy condor
At the end of the day a spec has to be the top, so as long as it’s not significa...
the tuning came after aug hooks got fixed and they looked at post-fix data
dark token
I think it's more rwf timing to not affect the race
balmy condor
its very simple
sin got tuned down
cause it was too strong
nothing to do with pi
or aug
or any other cope reason
it was just too good
grizzled jay
is sin still a good funnel spec for pi/aug
grizzled jay
PI will soon be gone anyways inshallah
quiet oar
I mean if sin gets tundd around pi
Sub is tuned around wft
Wft for sub is almost same gain as pi is for sin
bronze pike
PI will soon be gone anyways inshallah
we pray
oak tangle
Yeah but sin also gets wft gain
quiet oar
Ye exactly,
bright turret
I doubt anyone in here actually knows how things are tuned
Cause sometimes its just wild
balmy condor
not sure if meming or not
actually I think blizzard as an entire company doesn't have anyone able to interpret data
like stats and stuff
grizzled jay
we pray
they already said Oracle was gonna replace PI (with a better mechanic than that FF14 junk they thought up). 
grizzled jay
Just need the Shadow-Disc and Shadow-Holy ones to heavily incentivize self-PI
balmy condor
I doubt anyone in here actually knows how things are tuned
I mean the community in general has a pretty good idea tbh
they communicate about it pretty regularly with dev notes in the tuning these days
it's not that hard to get a picture from that
balmy condor
there's just a large portion of specifically mythic raiders
that refuse to believe anything
bronze pike
they already said Oracle was gonna replace PI (with a better mechanic than that ...
oracle is being changed tho
balmy condor
and live in an actual bubble
grizzled jay
oracle is being changed tho
that's what i said
spice spire
that refuse to believe anything
I don’t believe this is real
grizzled jay
it'll still replace PI, but it won't be the cringe minigame they stole from FF14
bronze pike
oic
grizzled jay
ye
bronze pike
well as long as pi is replaced by something that doesnt give haste and thus its damage can be linked back top the priest like blessing of summer
then we good
but you'll still have disc pi to worry about
grizzled jay
that's why i said hopefully Shadow-Disc and Shadow-Holy heavily, heavily incentivizes self-PI.
blazing jewel
there's just a large portion of specifically mythic raiders
keen spruce
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blazing jewel
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blazing jewel
royal lantern
tell me I'm wrong
you are wrong
source: im a mythic raider that doesnt believe you
balmy condor
source: im a mythic raider that doesnt believe you
real
balmy condor
aww the murloc gif is gone 😦 sadge
somber bison
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To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
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somber bison
well this is awkward, it still resets for me
balmy condor
well this is awkward, it still resets for me
Did you set it to overall
somber bison
yes
somber bison
im trying on the dungeoneer dummy not sure if it maters
shy pecan
Is it set to overall dynamic damage? There’s a difference between that and overall damage.
somber bison
its set to overall data
theres no dynamic overall dmg to select, only in the options
shy pecan
Yeah that’s why it’s not working
Click on one of the + signs and add “overall dynamic damage”
Like this:
shy pecan
Yeah
somber bison
ehm thanks
nimble zinc
Question. On tyrannical weeks ;like this week. Should I still run the M+ arterial shock build with crimson tempest? I was in an 18 Waycrest earlier and I couldn’t even get all my bleeds up because the other two dps were a ret pally with Lego and a BM hunter that were just nuking everything. Seems like a waste for me to be there. Should I just focus one big target and KB > caustic splatter all the others?
somber sparrow
so legendaries can drop off fyrakk, is what you're really saying? that's crazy talk
shy pecan
Question. On tyrannical weeks ;like this week. Should I still run the M+ arteria...
You just have to do an accelerated opener. Throw up a couple of garrotes and just fire without a usual rotation.
dark token
Question. On tyrannical weeks ;like this week. Should I still run the M+ arteria...
That's literally the point of the sudden demise AP shock build
For keys where u don't have full uptime on mobs before they explode