assassination

[limber lion]

import his pack and that's it

don't need to do anything else

[pseudo elm]

the only thing i dont have there is caustic spatter and kb, kb is on a seperate wa.

[limber lion]

Eh

That's not really true

You're missing out on a lot of really important things

and tracking many useless things at the same time

Where's your Envenom weak aura?

[runic hinge]

At one point I had two envenom trackers and a timer going

[pseudo elm]

my envenom weakaura only shows when its up

i only use the buff bar, not the rotation bar. it shows pretty much everything i use. When its up. But not trinkets, caustic spatter, kb or dm. kb got a seperate weakaura that shows above the buff bar when its up.

[minor aurora]

if im only really solid at sin rogue how much of a crutch is that if my guild/team needs a rogue cause we dont have one? i know smolderon and a lot of bosses sub rogue is huge

[balmy condor]

sin is really good on tindral/fyrakk

it's okay on smold, but sub is noticeably better on smold

outside of smold it's chillin

[runic hinge]

Is sub as far ahead if you take out smold

[balmy condor]

nah

but it's still a couple %

[minor aurora]

okay cool that works for me!

[balmy condor]

like yeah it's better pretty much anywhere

but sin in no way sucks

[minor aurora]

like i can learn but in the immediate time frame id like to be playing sin

[dark token]

fwiw sin is good enough on fyrakk im considering running it over sub for next week's clear since our timings suck for sub. The specs are pretty close there

tindral is probably leaning more toward sub (and sub feels way comfier cause of acro) but sin is still decent

[pseudo elm]

Do you have a stream video when you play sin on smolderon?

[dark token]

you can see timings and stuff from top sin rogues on lorrgs.io

dont really need a video, its hard to see these things from vid

[pseudo elm]

isent it worth waiting to after orbs for buff dmg with kb/dm?

[balmy condor]

I have one video from reclear from like december but probably not helpful

[balmy condor]

the beginning of kb doesn't really do much, can just do whatever

no big deal either way

[pseudo elm]

okey, on heroic it made a diffrence for me

[balmy condor]

as long as it's not like deathmark -> wait 10 seconds -> pick up orbs

[balmy condor]

proc rng is way more of an impact than whether or not you're waiting 2 seconds to pick up orbs

not really convinced you're noticing the difference or just proccing better

[pseudo elm]

could be that, mabye i just learned to use them better, but i tried saving dm and only used kb untill phase 2. And it buffed up my dps pretty good.

[balmy condor]

on heroic that'll definitely do it

kill times on mythic mean you just slam on cooldown

[pseudo elm]

and i found it harder to get the whole rotation spotless in phase one. sence its alot of moving around

okey, i have tried smolderon on mythic, that wasent easy. And then i mean to get it all right in phase one. So would be fun to se how other sin rouges do

[balmy condor]

It’s not really that bad

You have your stack points for everything

Tank slam gets a stack point, the tornados spread in a line on either side so there’s a column to run through for the tank soak people

Rinse repeat forever

It’s a mess really early on prog cause people are just panicking

But once it’s a little more organized

Pretty chill

[royal lantern]

tbf, the timings are

slam on nearly cd

[pseudo elm]

Thats a important part ofc, when i tried it the guild i was in were still progressing on smolderon. So it was pretty messy. But still even on heroic thats the boss i got most problem with to max my dps. Prob a little mix of everything, not organized enough, bad planing too. But i still feel that on smolderon i should have the option to choose a diffrent spec

[royal lantern]

[pseudo elm]

That does more consistent dmg

[void mesa]

Smolderon has been a sub fight for awhile now

Their dmg spikes line up better for the fight and the orbs

[pseudo elm]

What about outlaw?

[royal lantern]

we talk about rogue specs here

[pseudo elm]

so you are not a fan of outlaw?

[void mesa]

Outlaw is a flat dmg profile. You put your trinkets in the intermission, and you just send your stuff all the time

No thought or planning involved, doesnt benefit much from the dmg and as such isnt great but isnt bad

[pseudo elm]

Okey, so pretty much a beast mastery hunter then?

Rotation wise i mean

just go for it

[royal lantern]

i will say yes just because it makes a shitton of yellow names angry

not really, outlaw just doesnt really has big burst windows you plan and play around

[gusty mirage]

I'm telling zac

[void mesa]

BM has burst cds and dmg windows. Outlaw aims to get maximal uptime on its dmg buffs and is always sending

[royal lantern]

dont send the french people

[gusty mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1198707147257692260/ZacFetchRavenholdt3.gif

[pseudo elm]

I gotta start trying out sub and outlaw in low keys and normal raids. Its leaning towards sub right now. I really like sin but as an alternetive spec

[shy pecan]

Outlaw people are harmless

Except solo. Don’t be mean to solo

[scenic nacelle]

bring back pre nerf sin, they did it dirty

[royal lantern]

ye, they are on their sugar crash rn

[ember mural]

[shy pecan]

That emote…

[pseudo elm]

Anyone know if any changes are coming in assasination?

[runic hinge]

Yeah. We’re gonna be strong in s4 release then about two to four weeks in they’re gonna nerf us to be mid as hell and leave us there for the rest of the season

🔮

[balmy condor]

tuning is done for the patch

will need to wait for season 4 stuff

[bright cipher]

i am living on strong doses of 10.2.6 copium currently

[dark token]

It's too late

[gusty mirage]

now where would you get that idea from?

[dark token]

Noobs didn't vote for s2 tier set

We keeping s3

It's joever

[gusty mirage]

s2 would've been so fucking cringe

it's not even funny

[dark token]

Nah it's the best set out of the 3 even with the cringe 4pc

[gusty mirage]

we'll add another progression bar WA line

[dark token]

Big CT

[gusty mirage]

except this time for deathmark

to kingsbane in time to abuse the 4pc

[dark token]

I just use a couple different light up WAs rather than the bar, with like 6 ticks on the bar it gets confusing

Like my vanish glows red when to use it, tea glows gold, etc

[earnest remnant]

Based

[runic hinge]

I kinda wish we could to mix and match tier sets. Like s2 2 set and s3 4set could be fun

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-hey-hey-ive-seen-this-one-what-do-you-mean-youve-seen-this-its-brand-new-gif-17294476

[ripe carbon]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

I had a nightmare where that set won and we had to KB partway through Deathmark so we max stack it right as DM ends so the nature dmg empowerment applies to the last ticks. Don’t make it a reality

[oak tangle]

switch up the gameplay for a patch, i'd be down

[static glacier]

You think you want that but trust me you don’t

It’s like this current tier set for dev, same power numerically as s2 but utterly wack in real situations since it prolongs ur cds

[royal lantern]

yeha, down bad

[autumn valve]

Hello, I have a stupid question and I don't know if anyone can give me an answer. I'm a beginner in Cac classes and I wanted to play a dot class. are feral and assa gameplay similar? what are the differences ? I'm having a hard time deciding between the two.

[valid plank]

furries are cringe

[royal lantern]

mate, thats like, 70% of this channels users

+yellow name calling others cringe is 10/10

[spice spire]

Didn’t realize you were 70% of this channel

[gusty mirage]

you're an actual dog

????????

how tf are you even typing with those paws

[spice spire]

?

I’m a judge, ty

[gusty mirage]

my favorite judge

[spice spire]

Low bar fwiw

[gusty mirage]

the Honorable F. McFuckFace

[hearty pecan]

On tswift is it really a matter of preference to play sub or sin? Or are there external buff considerations?

I don’t have to get an orb at all. Im kinda hating sub life cd management. It’s fun on good pulls. Awful when I lose the pacing.

[quiet oar]

Sin is Totally fine

Just need to Do accelerated opener afaik

If you are in the first bomba

But you are no bomb. Duty

[hearty pecan]

No bombs now. I have a feeling if one of our warriors gets the leggo on Tuesday I’ll get sent up

[ember mural]

Whyre you a judge

[spice spire]

Iykyk

[past forum]

Our raid comp was scuffed this week so we had almost no ranged. I volunteered to do hose/duck duty cause dead bosses > parsing on wipes. Was rewarded with mythic pips 🙏 and also 6/9M now, the most mythic prog I’ve ever had.

[valid plank]

sorry, is this a better color to call furries freaks

[royal lantern]

just, dont insult anyone like some wannabe 13y old

how about that

[valid plank]

don’t dress up and think you’re a dog

[rotund oak]

yo im 13y old

without summers and autumns

(and some winters but lets not talk about that)

[runic hinge]

No kink shaming.

[valid plank]

sorry normalise animal kinks

[runic hinge]

Don’t become the thought police.

[past forum]

Nymue so far has been my favorite boss to do as sin. You feel rewarded for properly playing around the mechanics but can still execute your rotation optimally pretty much every pull

Conversely Larodar was hell (for the healers that had to deal with my greedy ass)

[rotund oak]

Sin feels rly good on horsie

especially burn phase

[royal lantern]

you know, the funny part is

for 90% its not even a kink, its just a hobby

[quiet oar]

As long as they dont hurt any Living creature

i couldnt care less

[royal lantern]

bnet pls

why every single time now

[quiet oar]

https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/486284970806083584/1210937933041893446

[royal lantern]

classic fuu

im not gonna download bnet again

blizz fix it

[vestal wren]

you just need to install it again

its like 6 mb

[gusty mirage]

that'll show them

[royal lantern]

ill show you something

(its stupid cat memes)

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

https://imgur.com/YIbxGvP

[gusty mirage]

he just like me fr

[verbal slate]

Do we have anyone in here rocking 4k ish IO i'm wondering what you consider BIS for M+

i'm 2850 but idk if i need to move something around to do more dmg to push 28+ keys

I was using Archon but it seems to have deleted the assassin load out

[rotund oak]

dont wanna discourage u or anything but as assassination u wont be able to do it

if u want high r.io rogues hop in the outlaw channel

and just a heads up

the current highest rogue rn is about 3.9

[runic hinge]

Is anyone actually 4k io

[rotund oak]

dont think so

[clever sapphire]

asking about 4k when he is at 2850

[runic hinge]

Asking about 28’s when he’s at 2850

[clever sapphire]

asking about 28's when he's in assa channel

[runic hinge]

LOL true

[clever sapphire]

is there even an assa player in this channel that plays assa in high keys

even zero went outlaw lately

[subtle tundra]

🥚

[runic hinge]

I think the survivability just isn’t there

[clever sapphire]

im unsure why, but this overwhelmed my brain

[runic hinge]

Idk tho my highest key is a 24 so I’m no authority

[subtle tundra]

agg

[clever sapphire]

i have a 27 brh, so can count it as a 24 also

[dark token]

It gets pretty impossible above like 3.6k

U can't live on half the keys and even where u can live ur bad at add swapping for bosses like brh last boss, everbloom last boss, thorns boss WM

I hit like 3550 and went sub instead which at least can live

Sub and outlaw actually takes like 20% less dmg than sin

It's nuts

Through passive DRs and more vers

[clever sapphire]

sub defensives in m+ goin crazy with the dark brew build

[dark token]

Sin has no defensive talents

Sub and outlaw take like 4

[clever sapphire]

extra leech wdym

[subtle tundra]

i sometimes feel like a leech

[dark token]

That's not even a sin talent is it

That's just the class tree leeching poison

[clever sapphire]

no idea

i just know it exists

[runic hinge]

Sin gets more leech than the other two from the same talent

[dark token]

How much more

[runic hinge]

7% I think

5>12

[subtle tundra]

we need to get overleech

no cap

acting like a

uh shield

sorry cant type a whole sentence

[clever sapphire]

overleech

reminded me of overwatch

so a dead game

[subtle tundra]

shitwatch!

[dark token]

Overleach with 300% max HP cap

Ye this would be good

Sin actually does leech a lot just it's worthless most of the time

[subtle tundra]

yea im just smart like that sometimes

[clever sapphire]

good enough for blue slilken uptime huh

[dark token]

But honestly 12% leach is not that much

If you do 200k St that's only 24k hps

And mechanics truck you for much more than that

Ur HP pool like 850k

[subtle tundra]

i do 200k st?!?

[dark token]

So leaching from a full health hit gonna take like 35s

[dark token]

Just example

[subtle tundra]

i was asking........

[clever sapphire]

no you dont, but he does

[subtle tundra]

i dont have details nor any keys done in the past many time

[clever sapphire]

its fine, neither do we

[dark token]

200k st is pretty good for key bosses

Imo

[clever sapphire]

this assa channel, you wont find key doers here

[dark token]

With no external buffs

[rotund oak]

outlaw should be even tankier than sub

more stamina and vers

[royal lantern]

man, its so crazy

like

its rogue deffensive stuff

and we reached the point where thats not enough

imagine telling somebody that 2 years ago

"yeha, cant push with that rogue spec, its too squishy"

and assa got more tanky with the update cus elusivness is really good now

[rotund oak]

actually ye its very cool now

to the point u dont rly need more than8-10% avoidance in ur gear

or something like that

but sin idk

push above 25s

like trying to break a wall with ur head

its not happening

[dark token]

It's only because all of the 1shots aren't aoe

Well actually I mean some of the aoe ones still get you very low

Like tree boss dht

If you don't feint u die

If you do ur 10% hp

As assa

If I tried on a 30 I would prob die

[ebon notch]

Ret pala had it after rework

Guess what happened

[spice surge]

You mean like sub has?

[brisk flicker]

Hey all, new here. Looking at assassination guides on Wowhead, but also looking at Raiderio and I can't tell what the correct build to go is. I see some builds go down the right party of the tree with scent of blood + sudden demise, but don't take poison bomb or dragon-tempered blades and then other builds go and take that, but don't take the right side. Some builds are even skipping over crimson tempest? I have no idea

[oak tangle]

go with any 🙂 they are all equal the just have slightly different playstyles

sudden demise is a more bleed focussed / multi dotting style, whereas the others are more of a cleave kingsbanes off a single target. I recommend the sudden demise at lower key levels which takes some power away from kb's if mobs are dying before you can have all the ticks go through

[bleak plume]

The cleave build is primarily for high m+ like 23 and above, wouldn't use it below that

Although it's nice for tyrannical weeks for pure st

[lean aurora]

why is assa placed in C Tier for m+? Currently I am doing 20s and I feel like assa is very strong dmg wise. Especially, when mobs are lasting long enough?

[orchid pewter]

thats the biggest problem, they dont last long enough

and even if they do you are not doing more dam than the other 2 specs

[rotund oak]

If u play with Dhs and Hunters and Rets and Fury wars mobs get deleted

bleeds dont even tick 😄

[orchid pewter]

you can do insane dam, if the pull is good, if there is a big target which nobody else is focusing, and you have pi

happens once in a while, but almost impossible in pugs i feel like

[rotund oak]

did this WM 22,before the tree boss tank pulled everything,pressed everything on the witch

i did something like 1mil dps

its all about having spatter before u press KB

big dam happening

also in rise,before last boss the 3 mob pack

thats a full send on the drake

and the packs before lady waycrest

[subtle tundra]

Cause youre mostly comparing to bad players. People that are struggling timing 20s

And 20s this season isn't something to brag about

[quiet oar]

Stop caring about tierlists. Sin is good enough for the most content

Tierlists are just bait

[royal lantern]

yeha its just

yes assa is weaker then outlaw/sub for m+

but it still strong and 1 of the best melee options tbh lol, just kinda sucks in lower keys cus stuff dies too fast so you cant really do your big aoe dmg that has windup

[dark token]

It's fine in lower keys

Just play sudden demise

You don't need windup it pops everything

I do my weekly 18s as assa

It's quite fun

[past forum]

Both dawn keys and Throne are rly fun as ass cause most packs have a good kb+spatter target

But yeah Sudden Demise is a fun way to yoink overall from those pesky dh/ret 😈 assuming they don’t 100-0 the shitter mobs, 1 tick of CT will snipe em

[quiet oar]

EB also good

or not

Abos, Caster

good prio targets

[past forum]

Luckily fall was a quick and easy dungeon for farming Nicks

Super obvious when to cd and what to send on

[rotund oak]

Idk why but i dont like DF dungeons alot

doti is cool though

[dark token]

This season is making me appreciate DF dungeons more

[rotund oak]

is a season that made me not carrying about playing keys outside farming GV chests

generally ngl

i dont like DF

[gusty mirage]

you see I'm on board, until I think about ruby life pools

or azure vault without skipping all the frogs

[spice surge]

After they fixed ruby like 2 weeks into the patch

It was among my favourites this entire expac ngl (including all old ones)

Academy first and rlp second

[quiet oar]

Ye and we have to remember

Thundering

Was a thing

Which made many things more annoying

[storm belfry]

RLP was a banger

[gusty mirage]

its okay to be wrong

I still love you

[thorny pond]

RLP banged my HP bar to zero

And I had no recourse

[storm belfry]

[thorny pond]

Imagine caustic splatter no nerfs in AA

[royal lantern]

imagine caustic splatter in "insert any dungeon or raid encounter in the last 8+ years"

[static glacier]

S1 SL kiting meta woulda been kinda sus for Spatter, woulda been big for IC though

[past forum]

Why kite when you can Thrash

[static glacier]

tanks just couldn't tank. Vdh was meta bc it was best at kiting, took them like two rounds of buffs to all tanks

[royal lantern]

why thrash when you can just not play m+ and enjoy life instead

[static glacier]

engi-belt target dummies / boomkin treants were very high demand

[minor gate]

i dont know if anyone is using whysper's WA but it does display unused abilities when changing specs

thats when on sub

on sin its not as bad but now im wondering if pistol shot would have poison rounds

[balmy condor]

it don't do that shit for me man idk

go into the load settings and change them back to the specs they're intended for

[minor gate]

i didnt touch anything since i got it but the ones that keep showing didnt have the spec load ticked

[balmy condor]

yah

[minor gate]

also thanks

[clever sapphire]

thats me for the last month

took me some time to realise it tho

sad life

[clever sapphire]

is there any basic go to cooldown timings for fyrakk?

lorrgs is everywhere

[royal lantern]

not really anything wild tbh

either cds on pull->shield->boss until dead

or pull->shield->golem->boss until dead

[clever sapphire]

aight so its either on boss or adds

[royal lantern]

depeends if your group needs add or boss dmg

[clever sapphire]

thats still to be seen, we starting today with fyrakk

[royal lantern]

your first 2-3 days will be exclusively p1 anyway

like

takes a good bunch of time until people manage to dodge beams and lines

[runic hinge]

How hard do blaze lines hit on mythic

[royal lantern]

400-500k something

hard

roughly half your hp bar

ye 500k, just checked

[gusty mirage]

depends, are you pressing feint or not

[runic hinge]

Basically double heroic

Bro I’m not doing mythic

But I do feint on heroic

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

why not 26

[balmy condor]

pressed feint

[runic hinge]

Hey don’t parse shame me

[woeful meteor]

[balmy condor]

true

[clever sapphire]

my biggest issue currently is getting the new priest used to pressing pi

[royal lantern]

new guild had a priest that was used to give PI to bm hunters

and is now giving to me

first 10 pulls he was using it on pull instantly

[clever sapphire]

well he used it correctly for like 3 pulls

now he either completly forgets it

or gives it to me after 40 sec

so exactly between cooldowns

is there a wa i could send him so he gets a popup for pi?

[royal lantern]

just go into wago and look for Pi lol

will give you like, 10 different options

[clever sapphire]

just asked, he is just relying on the whisper sound currently

doesnt seem to work well

[runic hinge]

My priest got a weak aura for DM so now it’s been great

[clever sapphire]

ye gonna talk with him about it later

[gaunt moat]

Which talent do i sacrifice for aoe blind on fyrakk?
Deadned nerves? (5% physical dmg reduction)

[woeful meteor]

if you need acro drop deadened nerves

[smoky horizon]

does Bonespike benefite from Nightstalker? guessing it doesnt

[balmy condor]

the instant damage does

[smoky horizon]

-_-

thought i was gonna go big brain

[clever sapphire]

sorry boaz

if it would i would have annoyed whispyr long ago about it

[balmy condor]

big brain making a 3% talent maybe 3.3%

[clever sapphire]

numbers add up

they dont add up to much

but they add up

[faint quartz]

On Whispyr's YouTube cooldown usage video, he suggests a cast sequence macro for Shiv, ShadowStep, Kingsbane, Garrote, Envenom.
What does this look like?
Is there a way of adding Death mark to it? Like, if it's off CD use it, if not, ignore command?
Is there a reason why I shouldn't add Death mark to the list, since it's also supposed to be used as soon as it's available?

[balmy condor]

yeah, so instead of being -3% it's -slightly less than that%

big pog

[balmy condor]

fuck no I don't do that

[clever sapphire]

whispyr suggesting cast sequence? take away his purple color

im not trusting that guy anymore

[balmy condor]

the only thing I suggest with cast sequence macros is removing them from the game

[royal lantern]

maybe its your evil alter ego

[smoky horizon]

I can do the opening sequence in my sleep I think, its just about repitition

[gaunt moat]

@woeful meteor you prefer deadend nerves over recuperator?

[clever sapphire]

exactly, if we find enough shitty improvements for bonespike only, one day it shall overtake garrote

[balmy condor]

[woeful meteor]

deadened nerves is useless recup is turbo bugged and just doesnt work half the time so it's useless as well

pick your poison

[smoky horizon]

Whispyr on council: just bonespike or you reckon I need to use Scent of Blood/CT

[woeful meteor]

dont use either 🙂

[gaunt moat]

well, at least recup sometimes works, i guess?

also why tight spender over imp ambush

[woeful meteor]

imp ambush bad since blindside nerf

wich was 2 months ago

[balmy condor]

yeh like tamaran said, neither

[fallow canopy]

Rypsihw strikes again

[gaunt moat]

i didn't even know blinside was nerfed

[clever sapphire]

aight pi problem solved, sent the priest a wa and now he almost presses it correctly

[gaunt moat]

but i'm looking at the talents taken on wclogs
and only 6% of kills had tight spender, everyone else had imp ambush

[faint quartz]

Exhibit A, your Honour

[balmy condor]

that's not a suggestion

that's a "if you wanna troll yourself go for it"

at the end of the day you're the one playing the game

if you wanna be dogshit you can make that choice

just leave my name out of it

[faint quartz]

Why is it a bad idea? I've never heard of sequence macros before

[balmy condor]

because they're incredibly rigid

[woeful meteor]

swapping talents cause synergys got nerfed is hard

[balmy condor]

you learn nothing about why you're pressing the buttons, you have no control over what you're actually doing

and if your macro fucks up at any point in the chain, rest in piss

[gaunt moat]

you're playing sub now though, can i really trust you... 🤔

[woeful meteor]

I killed Tindral on Sin this week

[faint quartz]

I see

[woeful meteor]

and I play law now

when enhance isn't there

[gaunt moat]

Alright, gonna go ahead and try tight spender, thanks! 🙂

[waxen oyster]

I do this in farm content where I dont feel like calculating the kill time

[past forum]

Screeym, the Evil Twin

[royal lantern]

or maybe the good one

and whisp is the evil

[eager solstice]

assa feels really nice on tindral

[gilded oasis]

nothing feels nice on tindral

[spice spire]

Being benched

[gilded oasis]

hope its padded

[balmy condor]

Need an assa reclear on tindral to remove my disgusting sub green parse

[quiet oar]

Whisp as sub

You give Dom vibes, not sub

[static glacier]

Our healing officer is a 5head, benched himself on tindral

[quiet oar]

Cant be benched, when you dont play

https://tenor.com/view/meme-you-cant-outsmart-me-thinking-use-your-head-smile-gif-17109386

[lean aurora]

When are we leaning more towards the bleed build in M+? Yesterday we did some 24s and I was playing the poison focused build and lacking a bit of dmg, falling behind a demo and a shadow by roughly 20k dps

[balmy condor]

arterial is mostly lower keys like weekly 20s

the higher you go, the more value generally gets put on prio damage and single target

which is where the poison focused build comes in

[lean aurora]

hello mighty whispyr. What build would you then recommend for 24s upwards? Going middle + right side? (if leaving arterial behind)

[balmy condor]

they're all viable

you just gotta pick what you wanna do

if you wanna do more overall, should keep crimson tempest and play like a hybrid thing

people have been playing this

as disgusting as it is

seems to work

if things are dying too quick and you need to move damage out of kingsbane

just go full arterial

move the DTB stuff to sudden demise

it's just what you need

[lean aurora]

yeah I guess its the beauty of the talent tree. So many things seem to be working and you can adapt

[balmy condor]

generally there's 2 big thoughts to do

1. are you taking DTB, cause that's a big jump for kingsbane/prio/caustic damage

2. are you taking CT, if you aren't you're getting a bit more low target cleave and single target, if you are then you're getting a bit more aoe

CT in like everbloom for example has the potential to be one of the biggest damage sources

but if you as an individual think that it's all pad and you decide you're boss/abomination duty

then fuck the CT, grab dtb, smash them

[lean aurora]

seems logic. Thank you very much

[balmy condor]

np

[lean aurora]

when playing the screenshotted build I guess we are using deadly poison + instant? Since we do not have amplifying

[balmy condor]

yah

[normal otter]

What’s your guys thoughts on the current state of assa in m+? I’m not a sin main since I do not have any clue but it always seems that sin lacks behind every other spec in every season. This season it started really well but was burned down afterwards with the nerfs.

It feels like sin always needs to much prep and too much attention to be viable. I love this spec, just curious what the experts think about this.

[vestal wren]

unless you want to push 28s or 29s it is irrelevant

assassination is fine, tuning is just lower than f.ex. #outlaw

[rotund oak]

i think ive found the specc that doesnt have a rotation

(kinda irrelevant but funny and real)

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-mastery-hunter-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

the rotation is basicly 2 lines 🤣

''rotation''

[balmy condor]

did you use any of the toggles

for like

single target rotation

[rotund oak]

idk man,it has both and its pretty much the same

u just multishot for beastcleave thats all

''use barbed shot for 3 stacks with 100% uptime''

''intelligently''

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean beast mastery is famously a simple spec

[rotund oak]

why dont i just play bm

[balmy condor]

but 2 lines is a bit reductive idk

[rotund oak]

sry its basicly 3 my mind was focused on the quantity of spells used

[balmy condor]

yeh it's a lot of shorter/medium cooldowns

barbed shot is short cd
kill command is short cd
death chak is a medium ish

they got some cdr on stuff

they still gotta press buttons

but it's a lot of "press on cd" for sure

[rotund oak]

yup

idk man,ive tried BM on some keys now,as an ''escape'' from playing rogue 24/7

i just do 200k+ overalls 465ilvl

its so simple anyone can play it

[balmy condor]

yep

[soft shale]

it is good that also anyone can die with it

unlike mage

you need to try quite hard

[quiet oar]

Idk, you just need to ignore your defensive

Just dont press any of your 50 defs

[cunning geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ripe carbon]

if i have macro "/cast mutilate" does it still change to ambush?

[clever sapphire]

yap

[rotund oak]

it might appear too much of a reaction but

[young topaz]

Do you always aim to be above 50% energy for sanguine blades?

[spice spire]

No

[coral stratus]

IIRC you want to envenom chain if you have 4 set over worrying about sanguine blades

[agile geode]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[rotund oak]

whispyr sir sorry for the tag but an irrelevant question

do u think rogue suffers somewhat for alot of buttons to press

as in a ''bloaty'' class in general

and if yes which specc do u think is the most out of the 3

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage

fuck externals

[young topaz]

TY!!

[spare nimbus]

!macro

😒

Does anyone have any good macros I need? Coming from wrath so any tips would be super helpful

[royal lantern]

not really many things

can macro kingsbane and shadowdance togheter

and deathmark+active trinkets

thats it

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

yes ping

[subtle tundra]

pignged

[gusty mirage]

[storm forum]

You can macro shadow step to things you really don't want parried too, but use at your own risk.

[raven egret]

We getting hero talents revealed tomorrow, likely to have one of the rogue ones in there

[runic hinge]

Poggers. We get slow mode

[royal lantern]

we get too see the tree that makes outlaw op in m+ again

Or the tree that makes sub broken in raids again

[vestal wren]

wonder what rogue hero talents we get

[raven egret]

Hopium, we see the one that will be amazing and awesome and all

[rotund oak]

ive got a hunch,might be compleetly wrong,we are getting something like an avatar

idk why

this idea is inside my brain for quite a while

[raven egret]

Whatever it is I hope its a Sin one, still not a fan of shadowdust on sub, doubt a hero talent would change that. So, in Sin we trust

[gaunt moat]

For assassination probably something strong they'll be able to nerf to the ground after 3 weeks

[subtle tundra]

nerfed into mediocracy ;3 my beloved

[storm forum]

My bets on sub/ol and it doubles down on the CDR or extra charges

[tepid hornet]

theoritically speaking, if i were to do this

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Kingsbane
/cast Thistle Tea

thistle tea would cast after kingsbane?

[brave gazelle]

Wasn't it rumoured that we'd be getting a shadow clone typea thing

[storm forum]

I think so, but don't do that. You want tea at the end of Kingsbane, not the start.

Like 9-10 seconds after you cast kingsbane

[tepid hornet]

u mean after kingbane falls off?

ok

[storm forum]

Kingsbane lasts 14 Seconds iirc

[brave gazelle]

You tea and shiv with like 3 secs left of kB

[tepid hornet]

yes it does

if i were to macro tea on something, what could that be

or just dont?

[storm forum]

Yeah, tea mastery buff only lasts 5 or 6 seconds, it doesn't really line up well with anything for a macro

[brave gazelle]

Id keep it unmacroed personally,

[storm forum]

Shiv lasts 8 seconds, vanish at the end is 3

If you really don't have the button space, vanish would be better so it lasts for the final few ticks, but ideally don't macro it.

[tepid hornet]

i wont then

but we rly need thistle tea? i cant not take it?

[brave gazelle]

It's nice to use your extra tea charges every now and then when your low energy too, just make sure you save a charge for your burst

[tepid hornet]

so we need it xD

[brave gazelle]

Like all the top builds use it so if you wanna min/max then Defo imo

[storm forum]

I don't really look at the numbers, but I really like tea. It feels good and bails me out when I fuck up pooling for my non-DM kingsbane

[tepid hornet]

in terms of numbers what kind of dps loss would no tea make?

ill just have it though ok

[brave gazelle]

Resource management is massive as assassination, thistle also helps with that am

If you didn't use tea you'd probably have to go with a haste heavier build and that's not really ideal in the current "meta" of things

To get a number you'd have to sim it yourself aye but I'd reckon I'd be quite marginal for most players

[clever sapphire]

sim it is my suggestion, but not having tea sounds like a pain in the butt

even if not for the mastery buff for the last 6 seconds

[tepid hornet]

what are some things that i should rly be tracking? in terms of buffs or whatever

not dots

neither cds

just buffs to maintain and such

[clever sapphire]

envenom is important imo because of the chaining

[tepid hornet]

aura stuff

[clever sapphire]

and thats about it i guess if you dont wanna track cds/dots

[tepid hornet]

no i do but i dont make weak auras for those

its mainly just dots and cds?

[clever sapphire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[clever sapphire]

would also take a kingsbane wa

(im using notters)

it just tells you when to shiv/tea/vanish

really convenient

[tepid hornet]

i could use that i think

[clever sapphire]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug

[tepid hornet]

thanks!

[brave gazelle]

Buff wise you don't really have to worry about snd as envo will keep it up no problem, I don't think you'd need a w/a for any buffs, just for tracking CDs and bleeds

My advice is The thing that'll improve your skill as sin most imo is learning to pool energy so you can envenom back to back for the set bonus, other than doing that the rest of the rotation is pretty scriped so id just hit a target dummy for abit and get the muscle memory down

[tepid hornet]

very well

[vestal wren]

i hope not

[royal lantern]

wdym, more cds for sub

lets make it 70seconds cd aswell

just for fun

[vestal wren]

70 seconds with cdr

[royal lantern]

make playing sub even more of a headache with cd timings

[brave gazelle]

On a different note my guild archived 5/9 mythic last night, big pog

Any rouge tricks or tips for larodar prog?

[vestal wren]

you can use cloak as a dps cooldown on the fight

[tepid hornet]

can i make this macro swap depending on spec?

#showtooltip
/targetenemy [noharm][dead]
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Poisoned Knife
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Shuriken Toss

[clever sapphire]

unsure why you would wanna do that, actionbars change when changing specs no?

[gilded oasis]

rogue has other specs?

[quiet oar]

[clever sapphire]

ye it has sub rogue for smolderon and tindral

[gilded oasis]

weird never heard of it

[quiet oar]

Zar when someone mentions other "specs"

[gilded oasis]

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, windwalker is the best one atm

[gilded oasis]

spinny spin

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

Zar when someone mentions

[blazing jewel]

Quake when he

[gilded oasis]

Oxi

[spice spire]

When I

[quiet oar]

scan

[tepid hornet]

on m+ i use crimson tempest on boss too? st?

[gilded oasis]

no

[pure sinew]

how relevant is the sudden demise pop damage in m+?

[gilded oasis]

about as relevant as Quake

cause he doesn't play, get it?

[shy pecan]

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

Why are you a hater man

[gilded oasis]

drinkin my haterade

also it was funny, admit it

[spice spire]

I admit nothing

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/amber-heard-objection-bullshit-gif-25595945

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/aceattorney-phoenix-wright-evidence-papers-gif-10033464

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

[gilded oasis]

Willow says hey

[spice spire]

Tell Willow I love her and hope she gets a treat and a nap

[gilded oasis]

shes trying to steal my pills is that a treat

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

Don’t kill ur cat wtf

[gilded oasis]

I said TRYING not that I was letting her!

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

Hey girl

[gilded oasis]

[balmy condor]

I think it kinda depends on what perspective you decide to take. Like assassination macros shadow dance, sub macros cold blood, so that “removes” a button, but if you’re just a casual player you probably won’t know that and the result would be everything on its own button. From that perspective I think yeah, it’s a bit much. The mutilate/ambush change is nice for that for assassination, but I think subtlety suffers a lot more from the bloat. Outlaw is spammy but the buttons aren’t actually that crazy, and you could kinda argue that lots of buttons all at once is sorta outlaws theme anyway. Assassination could do with maybe 1-2 buttons removed, sub probably 2 as well. I think the biggest stuff for that would probably be covenant abilities, cold blood/tea. Having something like sepsis for assa is kinda neat, but aberrus last tier showed how confusing it is to play, and it kinda filled the role we have now with kingsbane. On sub’s side it’s much less interesting as well. Bone spike on assa was cool in shadowlands, but we have other ways to aoe now and our ramp is long enough without trying to snipe and cleave bone spikes. It’s just not fitting into the spec. Echoing reprimand I respect a lot for trying to do something interesting with combo points, we don’t see a lot of combo point stuff in general, but at the same time it’s not all that exciting for any of the specs and 7 combo points is already something sub/outlaw have so it’s pretty ??????? In terms of cooldowns. Cold blood is just a dumb ability in general from an era where stuff like that was the interesting choice. That’s not the game anymore. Thistle tea kinda the same thing tbh. Without the mastery tacked on it’s pretty meh, and buffing the energy won’t do anything numerically and cause more headaches, it’s just not really a great button overall. You could also argue that we have a lot of non-rotation stuff, evasion, cloak, feint, vial, step, sprint. Those are a little more off-limits for people when talking about buttons to remove, but hell, removing healthstones or gateways would free up a space too for a lot of people.

From my personal perspective, I don’t think the specs are too bloated, but I’ve also been playing rogue since WoD and I got a ton of keybinds to work with so my perspective isn’t really all that important here since it doesn’t impact me. But it is a lot of buttons for a lot of players out there. Buttons a lot of the time add complexity, but stuff like cold blood, tea, they don’t really add complexity as much as they just add one more thing for your weakauras. I’d prefer stuff like the 4 set, sanguine blades, etc to help push complexity. Like blizzard could ditch all the covenant stuff and lean into pooling for assassination as a gameplay feature instead of the 1.5% dps it’s worth now. That would keep a part of the spec “complex” without adding any buttons, rotation altering without shoving shit like tea into it.

[drifting cloud]

[gilded oasis]

congrats on writing all that on mobile

[desert inlet]

I like tea :)

but really what I like is having energy

ty tea

[gilded oasis]

wish I could tea irl

[desert inlet]

it's such a longer cast irl :/

[balmy condor]

Y’all don’t got thumbs?

[gilded oasis]

Willow took all my thumb

[slate crown]

My least favorite talents with the old talent system when I didn’t have as expanded of a pallet of keybinds were the active talents

Because of the feeling of increasing bloat

(Old as in mop talents)

[desert inlet]

that's pretty old

mop was like 40 years ago i think

[shy pecan]

One thumb huh

[slate crown]

For me the major challenge block for buttons is the GCD vs off GCD distinction. Having tons of buttons which are all on the GCD isn’t really a problem for me

Because you always have the GCD time to hit them and don’t have to combo them in sequence on the same GCD or between GCD

[desert inlet]

waiter!! more off gcd buttons please

[slate crown]

It’s why buttons like Symbols always tripped me up for finding a keybind when setting up sub

It’s also a problem for Dance for me, but dance has a very distinct flow for assa right now so it was easier to incorporate AND it’s used by all 3 specs so placing on the same keybind helped be flexible

[quiet oar]

This was actually a Problem when df came out for me

My sd bind Was the bte bind on my law

That one Was weird to adjust

And for sin ct was in the sd bind

[slate crown]

Not saying I don’t like off GCDs inherently, they’re just a part of the puzzle that can make things harder for setting up keybinds and managing button bloat

[quiet oar]

The Thing is, if you have many off gcd things it feels weird to play another class

Like i had often the Problem, when i played my monk thst i Pressed Tiger in gcd

And didnt realize it. Because im used to have my CDs offgcd

[tepid hornet]

u can blacklist the duplicates of garrote and whatever else comes twice on the nameplates?

or ots the exact same id?

its*

[royal lantern]

monster energy

the offical RH sim sponsor

[balmy condor]

Yeah, different id’s

[tepid hornet]

perfect

[balmy condor]

The deathmark duplicates are in the 400,000 range

The originals should be closer to like 1000

[tepid hornet]

I need to remove the bloat from dots, i dont think i need to have every single dot on the plates do i?

[balmy condor]

Where my sponsership

[balmy condor]

Mostly just gar/rup

Crimson tempest also isn’t entirely necessary cause it’s hitting everything most of the time

[tepid hornet]

great

i dont need the passive poisons either right? i mean lethal and nonlethal 1hour buffs

or its good to track?

from what i see so far i can have only garrote, rupture, shiv, kingsbane? anything else?

[gilded oasis]

naw, I can pound an energy drink then go take a 3 hr nap no problem

[balmy condor]

Tracking poisons could be okay, most people have a reminder to tell them to refresh the hour buff

[spice spire]

Dog?

[gilded oasis]

woof

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Tracking envenom for tier

Otherwise yeh good to go

[tepid hornet]

no i meant the dot on enemy plates

oh yes envenom

noting that too lol

[balmy condor]

Oh, probably just gar rup

Shiv/kingsbane is better tracked on a target level with a weakaura tbh

You’re not gonna cast kingsbane/shiv and then swap targets

[tepid hornet]

hmm i see

[bright cipher]

8 more hero talents tomorrow

[tepid hornet]

assass doesnt have any cd reduction aspects like sub and outlaw right? the cds are standard?

!prekey

guess nothing for prekey needed

the kingsbane/dance macro, its important to put shadow dance 1st?

[gilded oasis]

yes

[tepid hornet]

these 2 cds will always line up right? neither of them gets reduced by anything

[gilded oasis]

yes

[tepid hornet]

ty

Caustic splatter applies with ambush too even though the tooltip doesnt say it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tepid hornet]

excellent

[runic hinge]

I love when you do the long talk

[spice spire]

Big dog?

[quaint hull]

Keep combo points, remove energy, profit.

With sub and assa, you always have energy when you need it. anyways

[balmy condor]

[young topaz]

Most people running toxin thorn foot wraps or BSL?

[balmy condor]

there's a couple people running BSL, specifically for m+, but it's in no way common

[young topaz]

Cool thank you

[young topaz]

Your YouTube guides have been super helpful btw

[balmy condor]

ty

glad you like them

[past forum]

Hard agree. I don’t think I’ve actually felt this level of understanding of a spec before and it’s largely in part to how well you explain not just the what but the why. For me it’s really hard to lock it in when the best guides for a spec are essentially “do this because it make number big, end video”

[gusty mirage]

dont compliment him

he gets awkward when people are nice to him

[grizzled jay]

whispyr feeds off disappointment

[past forum]

sucks to suck, get absolutely appreciated nerd

[grizzled jay]

also hi @gusty mirage hope you are doing okay

[gusty mirage]

[hidden moat]

'

'

[balmy condor]

not the appreciation

[runic hinge]

Bro I’m just into TC. You can’t cure it. I love reading

[spice spire]

You should be into DN

[runic hinge]

You should get some bitches

[shy pecan]

What’s DN? 🙂

[spice spire]

I already got ur pops. Sass me again and I’ll ground u

[spice spire]

(D)isi(N)formation

[shy pecan]

hmm...

[bronze pike]

STOLEN

BAER MOTES

contacting baer boss rn your gonna be in sooo much trouble /s

[spice spire]

Didn’t ask

[gusty mirage]

[bronze pike]

ill "didnt ask" you

[gusty mirage]

As in where did I ask for your two cents?

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/995403973307666583.webp?size=60&quality=lossless

this is mod abuse

[gusty mirage]

[bronze pike]

REEEEEE

[gusty mirage]

@main vessel I’m being slandered

[bronze pike]

@main vessel OXI AND QUAKE ARE BEING MEAN TO ME

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/995403973307666583.webp?size=60&quality=lossless

[storm belfry]

ox

will u be doing weeklies tomorrow

[storm belfry]

do not be mean

[balmy condor]

didn't ask

[storm belfry]

u got me

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

TOPPLe

Hi:3

[main vessel]

hi

[gilded oasis]

@balmy condor 427 pulls

[balmy condor]

its over

[gilded oasis]

kinda madge my first 3 pulls were so juicy

[balmy condor]

did you big damies

[gilded oasis]

330k

ty for yourchanges

[balmy condor]

poggies

fyrakk time

[gilded oasis]

🫠

[balmy condor]

400 more pulls dear

[gilded oasis]

I'm betting at least 572.5

[spice spire]

Wild, didn’t ask

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

@main vessel I summoned you king

Miss u(s)

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[main vessel]

miss you :3

[storm belfry]

keyge

[main vessel]

[spice spire]

God I needed that

[storm belfry]

@gusty mirage

if so inv

[woeful meteor]

oxi probably hasn't done a key in 2024

at least on rogue

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[spice spire]

LOGOUT

[storm belfry]

he was in one like 20 mins ago

[woeful meteor]

the lad in rising tho

[spice spire]

Oxipal won’t take this slander

[woeful meteor]

[gusty mirage]

I was not in a key 20 minutes ago

I've been in raid on my pally

[storm belfry]

oh

[gusty mirage]

also

[storm belfry]

i thought i saw dawn

[gusty mirage]

yeah surely I haven't done any keys on my rogue

[spice spire]

LOGOUT

[woeful meteor]

what u pushin bud

[storm belfry]

werent u in dawn of the infinite

[gusty mirage]

3k io w/o a tyrannical rise

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

20 minutes ago?

no

[woeful meteor]

[storm belfry]

no my sense oftime today is bad

[spice spire]

He was inside the matrix

[storm belfry]

maybe was the person above u

[gusty mirage]

this was an hour ago

[woeful meteor]

I have started key adventures aswell

the trinket is goated

[spice spire]

I’m going to hit filter

[storm belfry]

the hell is taht trinket

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[spice spire]

Boomkin In chat

[gusty mirage]

thats the best trinket ever

[woeful meteor]

wq I did when I hit 70

[storm belfry]

leave my kind alone

u savage

[woeful meteor]

it gives me vers and armor when I take dmg

[storm belfry]

oh

too bad when u take damage u are dead

[spice spire]

I’ll leave them alone when tettles isn’t

[woeful meteor]

I pugged EB for Blood a lot

[storm belfry]

go get pips

[storm belfry]

tettles filthy aug player

[woeful meteor]

Normal and HC failed me I'm coping for mythic alt raid tomorrow

[storm belfry]

i did see him on boomie today tho

[storm belfry]

I will cope for you

[spice spire]

Boomkin literally only a tier above it

Both are gabagool

[storm belfry]

leave my off spec alone

[woeful meteor]

disgusting rng aside from that the trinket tho

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

Resto fine

Balance the

[storm belfry]

it is a shame that my baalnce io has passed my resto io

[spice spire]

Cyon

[woeful meteor]

[storm belfry]

dw i am still healing raid

[spice spire]

If I logged on

[storm belfry]

i would heal u

[spice spire]

I’d unfriend you on principle

But I love u

So I won’t

[storm belfry]

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-gif-21343121

we had a deal

[storm belfry]

I am keyging as resto

see

no chicken

[spice spire]

Sheesh

[storm belfry]

ignore those mastery gems

those are surely not for boomie

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

if u r on tomorrow inv

[spice spire]

It better not be

[storm belfry]

or i will pm u w slander

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

[gilded oasis]

hey I just killed a druid

[storm belfry]

I am alive

[grizzled jay]

just one? as a rogue you can do better. kill all druids.

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Congrats Zar. Sorry I wasn’t there

[grizzled jay]

[gilded oasis]

one was enough for now

[storm belfry]

will u let me make it?

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

I’m sorry

Please forgive my transgressions

[gusty mirage]

Depends when I get home from work or if I decide to work from home

Game time decision ya know

[spice spire]

Game time this pal

[storm belfry]

Okay Oxi

🫡

[gusty mirage]

You know what judge mcfuckface? I’m sick of your shit

[spice spire]

Fair

[gusty mirage]

Also you ignore all the dumb shit I send you on TikTok

[storm belfry]

I wouldn’t

[gusty mirage]

Thoughts?

[storm belfry]

Lmfao

That is already way better than cocomelon

Would never let my kids watch that shit

[gusty mirage]

Quake actually has bangers waiting for him and he just doesn’t watch them

[storm belfry]

My son is into blippi rn

[gusty mirage]

It’s so depressing

[storm belfry]

And little Einsteins

[storm belfry]

Smh how bald of him

[rotund oak]

thx my man,had this conversation with a brewmaster monk from my guild about bloating in classes in general and was mentioned that brewmonk was the most ''bloated'' specc in the game so it moved my curiosity.had to ask

[spice spire]

No I don’t

I’ve watched every single one

It may take me a few days

[rotund oak]

still cant understand how brew is that ''bloaty'' but didnt get into comparison with rogue,cant really know,havent played brew ever

[spice spire]

But when I see a missed message from my goat I read it

[storm belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-18600890

[rotund oak]

[gilded oasis]

banger

[gusty mirage]

@storm belfry @gilded oasis This man just angry reacted me because he picked the Mesopotamian standing worshipper statue and lost

@spice spire explain yourself

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

I fucking lost bud

Pissed me off 😡

[gusty mirage]

[oak tangle]

what's new? I'm fresh from almost 2 weeks in hospital

[grizzled jay]

wb

[gilded oasis]

[balmy condor]

Brew is definitely bloated tbh, got a fuck ton of buttons

[runic hinge]

@spice spire can I get a 48 hour mute so I stop posting I here while I’m harrmwred

[balmy condor]

!mute @runic hinge 48h self mute

[gilded oasis]

Monka

[bronze pike]

brew unironically needs some passives

[gaunt moat]

Slice and Dice should be hanged and quartered.

[little hornet]

branch do we just macro into deathmark? or do we want to use it separately?

[balmy condor]

Branch to deathmark, ashes to kingsbane

[royal lantern]

jade wind

[oak tangle]

lol 48 hours is a long time to be drunk haha

[rotund oak]

Yup went yday from simulationcraft to check the spell quantity and stuff.. Comes out they got about 70 apm,guess alot of stuff obeys to GCD,but they got many procs happening

they also got a ''slower'' version (niuzao) about 65 apm

but specc is like a lottery or something

procs happening

[rotund oak]

cook snd into mastery for sub

i believe

[quiet oar]

Only with this mindset

[tepid hornet]

While pooling i can afk autoattack for 3-4 globals, then mutilate x2 > envenom and repeat

?

[midnight mist]

no you wanna pool on finishers instead of builders

will allow you to chain finishers more easely, and you wont waste energy by proccing while building

[oak tangle]

can still afk for 3-4 globals

just afk once at 4+ cp

[tepid hornet]

Oh so after the pooling the 1st move will be envenom not mutilate for example

[midnight mist]

ye

you get to your finisher cp, then you can start pooling if needed

[tepid hornet]

I like pooling

[oak tangle]

pooling serves as a proxy for envenom buff uptime,

more so than anything else

[tepid hornet]

But its tough to get over the mentality, no casting =dps dlos

Loss*

but here its increase

[oak tangle]

yeah it's cause we aren't gcd capped like most others

[royal lantern]

well, about that

[oak tangle]

hmm?

[royal lantern]

assa is more or less gcd capped

[oak tangle]

how so