serious answer, not using abilitys sometimes is a gain, you want energy where it matters, learn the Kingsbane window
#assassination
harsh harbor
Yea from what Ive been reading the key is the KB window
harsh harbor
dont forget to apply poisons <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
I got a weak aura that tells me theyre missing, helps haha
royal lantern
you laugh, but "guys i have 0 energy all the time after 5seconds in the fight??" is a suprisingly common thing that shows up here
and the answer is always "are poisons active?"
dark token
and the answer is always "are poisons active?"
Followup... Did you put on instant poison instead of deadly poison
Cause that will int you
harsh harbor
That doesnt shock me before I got the weak aura id do it fairly often. Particularly with the zoning poison bug
royal lantern
the wowhead guide contains all you need
outside of that its mostly minor things
like the entire "4set pooling" which is a small gain if you do it instead of just smashing abilitys all the time
harsh harbor
For sure, very well written. I usually just ask the vets to see if theres some things that usually trip folks up
pastel roost
Can someone remind me what is the website that let you know when people use their CD on a fight ? is takes its data form logs
quiet oar
!lorrgs
weak vessel
!affix
prisma monolithBOT
Affixes: Tyrannical, Storming, Raging
quiet oar
<https://www.lorrgs.io/>
good fuu 
proud rover
been away from the game for 2 months, is assass still secret OP in keys?
spice spire
It’s Deece
past forum
love me some good iron wire value tho
proud rover
I try Outlaw and perform much worse, like 17% less dps. idk at what point the "worst spec" becomes the best one for me to play
past forum
they're definitely close enough where if you aren't pushing bleeding edge keys then play what's fun/what you perform well as
proud rover
going for 3k right now, I am def not in the best of groups
past forum
can absolutely get 3k as any of the specs rn, even full pugging
runic hinge
I got 3k mostly pugging so its definitely doable
past forum
ya same, and i'm not particularly great nor did i try particularly hard
rotund oak
same,just que'd my own keys,did 3k relatively easy
rotund oak
outlaw being the best and sub behind that
personally i value sin higher than outlaw for raids
rotund oak
ye ik,just thought that you shouldnt rly label sin that easily as the worst
its a veyr beautiful specc
balmy condor
But it is in keys
rotund oak
F keys
limber lion
Lol
quiet oar
quiet oar
I try Outlaw and perform much worse, like 17% less dps. idk at what point the "w...
If you are best at sin, you should prolly stick to it. Sub needs a tank to play around you and if you arent good on Outlaw, i would just keep being Sin. 3K is definitely doable with any of these
proud rover
If you are best at sin, you should prolly stick to it. Sub needs a tank to play ...
assassination feels so much better to me, idk why so many people diss it
vestal cliff
Hey guys can someone explain to me the correct use of evasion? Does it only works on auto attacks from mobs?
vestal cliff
Thanks:) are there any written guides on how to do the raid bosses as rouge with defenses and/or CD‘s?
quiet oar
This here will help with Feint
Everything that counts for Avoidance is prolly working with feint too
But you dont have to press feint for everything on there
vestal cliff
Okay thanks!
manic quartz
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
manic quartz
anyone elses plater cast bars broken lately? https://streamable.com/ia75xi
Does this even with brand new profile
dapper marsh
How's assa in keys? Is caustic splatter prio viable at all in high keys?
orchid pewter
How's assa in keys? Is caustic splatter prio viable at all in high keys?
Thats your main damage
In high keys its fine
But other two specs are just better
tawny geyser
How's assa in keys? Is caustic splatter prio viable at all in high keys?
Above 25 you want to play Outlaw/Sub
dapper marsh
Why is that? Ik outlaw is tanky and has good prio cleave and subs burst is very useful on certain fights, why is assa just considered worse in keys?
clever sapphire
cause assa is not nearly as tanky as the other 2
and you rely on pi
the other 2 couldnt care less about externals
dapper marsh
Makes sense, dust and restless blades are super strong talents
clever sapphire
nah not because of dust
dapper marsh
Soothing shadows?
clever sapphire
you have the healing nodes at the top
and you have the shield when you use vanish
with those and elusiveness there is almost no chance to get oneshot
dapper marsh
Vanish also just gives more cloak and evasion casts cuz dust too
clever sapphire
and assa has, well, a bit more leech
blazing jewel
Both sub and outlaw stack a lot more vers than sin
dapper marsh
and assa has, well, a bit more leech
Yeah I noticed it heals a lot
dapper marsh
Both sub and outlaw stack a lot more vers than sin
Yeah that's kinda big in m+
royal lantern
Yeah I noticed it heals a lot
lets not say " a lot"
blazing jewel
blazing jewel
Think it’s only really noticeable on dh
royal lantern
you wont skip a healer cast cus you have some leech
dapper marsh
lets not say " a lot"
Haha, it seemed like a lot on smoldy specifically
clever sapphire
well the talk was about keys afaik
royal lantern
i mean, in raids leech does even less
cus there is ALWAYS healing happening
the problem is simply: unless leech would create a Moment where a healer doesnt need to heal you, its not really doing anything helpfull at all
clever sapphire
ah also another thing, you get more "value" out of leech when you take more dmg than the other 2
dapper marsh
ah also another thing, you get more "value" out of leech when you take more dmg ...
Big
Yeah exhilarating execution over shield on sub sounds like a more useful form of leech
ripe carbon
finally got witherbark branch
dapper marsh
finally got witherbark branch
Good luck tracking down those tiny blue orbs mid fight, I lost track of them so many times tonight
ripe carbon
ya ill prob find that out lol
43 runs to get one
if raider.io tracks all runs done
limpid sonnet
anyone elses plater cast bars broken lately? https://streamable.com/ia75xi
yuup noticed it today. Def not profile specific either as I see u have quazzi and I used Naowh UI same broken. prolly update incoming soon.
manic quartz
yuup noticed it today. Def not profile specific either as I see u have quazzi an...
figured it out, its details that fucks it up
manic quartz
installed previous version of details and it got fixed (.12307)
limpid sonnet
huh interestting
tbh these days with all the WAs I have, i almost dont even need the cast bar 😄
there's already some lady telling me to kick in my ear after i insta focus the 'blue' colored mob XD
manic quartz
imagine my shock when i joined a key and that shit came up
limpid sonnet
haha
arctic hare
Tell me more about the blue colored mob.
limpid sonnet
Tell me more about the blue colored mob.
its rough out there, sometimes you come to a pack with not only blue but ALSO purple.
arctic hare
Lol, I more meant what does it mean 
limpid sonnet
haha
arctic hare
But agreed
limpid sonnet
some plater profiles color code "has something to kick" mobs
limpid sonnet
imagine in throne of tides u have the squirting/healing mob is blue. the the lighning mob caster is purple. rest of w/e color
not sure but its becoming mroe common slowly as plater has made it easier to do it in their settings
before u had to do some mild coding and listing of mobs it was meh
arctic hare
Yeah, hmm, might look into that at some point, seems convenient, specially as a melee
limpid sonnet
ye its nice, just that every tier/dung someone has to update their code to include it.
its just like those auto-marker warkauras. someone manually says what mob be what marker
so u find someone famous-ish they update it every tier
arctic hare
Quazii, etc?
limpid sonnet
yup
i only know naowh/atrocity/quazzi by name but im sure there are many many more
somber basin
it's pretty easy to do it yourself too and customize it to your liking
like having high hp mobs/prio targets different colour and mobs with important casts etc.
unique plume
Does plater work well out of the box?
tawny bloom
fyrakk jail finally over
spice spire
royal lantern
fyrakk jail finally over
ready for tindral reprog jail?
gusty mirage
that's kinda sus
earnest remnant
lol no
dark token
tbf we switched 2 healers and a tank
earnest remnant
took us 3
Oxi imma need you to send some bad energy to Ryler and pescorus, they are trying to yoink or fyrakk strat
shit aint okay
gusty mirage
Ryler generates his own bad energy tho
dark token
Oxi imma need you to send some bad energy to Ryler and pescorus, they are trying...
lust p1?
3 heal?
earnest remnant
1 tank 3 heal
earnest remnant
GL
tawny bloom
ready for tindral reprog jail?
i enjoyed tindral more than fyrakk
tawny bloom
in total my guild played 5 or 6 p3 pulls
dark token
especialy after intermission change
tawny bloom
of fyrak
i wish i was lying but those shouldnt be more than 6 https://raider.io/guilds/eu/kazzak/Profanities
tawny bloom
i joined this guild in DF and went from 5/11 Sepulcher to CE vault, aberrus i only recleared and subbed in during sark progress but i had lot of irl and now another ~150 ranks in amirdrassil
actually gaming but wish i could go higher
also no pi gaming since volcoross 
gusty mirage
actually gaming but wish i could go higher
y'all are trending in the right direction 
tawny geyser
Erm..game? Give it to those who need please...
soft shale
ok that is a banana
tawny bloom
y'all are trending in the right direction <:Prayge:820260176166518845>
that for sure!
clear basin
in single target should i prioritise staying above 50% energy for sanguine blades? M+
spice spire
No
shy pecan
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
fallow canopy
only 1 prison left
gusty mirage
only 1 prison left
thin portal
hey guys I have stat questions
FAQ says mastery is #1 but simc says to pick my outlaw crit/vers gear a lot of the time.
confused on what stats to get so I just copy some top sin gear setups
Is mastery like Vers for outlaw that we can just try to stack as much possible?
and just ignore simc
😮
keen spruce
sim
normally secondaries are not super important
for assas
or at least the robot will want you to be fairly balanced
thin portal
for example
These legs seem to be bis for a lot of sins, is it just for the 3 stat or crit and haste?
Compared to this with the main stats in FAQ
simc choose the 3 stat legs
drifting cloud
because you have them 7 ilvl higher
if you play branch or ashes your need for mastery changes alot
thin portal
I make them the same ilvl when I sim
balmy condor
Also if you have branch, sims will severely hate mastery
thin portal
I do have branch ye
shy pecan
thin portal
ok
royal lantern
Also if you have branch, sims will severely hate mastery
sims are outlaw playes confirmed
undermining us
runic hinge
If your spec doesn’t like mastery it means blizzard hates you
shy pecan
Fire mage?
runic hinge
I said what I said
rotund oak
If your spec doesn’t like mastery it means blizzard hates you
So it hates outlaw
oh wait
😅
rotund oak
good question
ik hunter and frost mage does
also locks
paladins maaaybe but im not sure
warriors?what about warriors
Rets like haste/vers nvm paladins
fury wars like mastery arms like mastery a bit as well
Ele and Enh shammies like mastery as well
so kinda alot
runic hinge
Listen I don’t actually think this but I kinda do. Like if they care about your spec your mastery will be good for it because it feels thematic and better than just stacking %more damage. But ig they also don’t want everyone to want all the same stats so maybe im wrong.
Ret went from haste/mastery to haste/vers after rework and now ret is broken so im probably just biased
rotund oak
mastery makes more sense for raid speccs tbh outside love and all,no one rly cares
vers makes more sense for pvp and m+
shy pecan
Ele and Enh shammies like mastery as well
When did ele like mastery?
balmy condor
what is a raid spec
rotund oak
When did ele like mastery?
stat prio says it wants a certain threshold https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/shaman/elemental/stat-priority-pve-dps
but there are two specs actually one thats from s2 and the s3 one which needs 88% mastery lul
which is weird
if u have 87% mastery 
balmy condor
ele has a mastery breakpoint cause it's whack
shy pecan
balmy condor
I was talking to hawk about it at blizzcon
don't remember what he was yappin about anymore
I was also 2 drinks deep so kinda hazed in general
balmy condor
hawkcorrigan you ape
blazing jewel
oh
shy pecan
Tier set abuse
rotund oak
half of the dh disc is named hawk
say no more fam
blazing jewel
rotund oak
funny story but i had an old laptop,first time ive joined DH discord was during BFA
the same day i did VGA block burned
that place is dangerous lul
balmy condor
hi ed
quiet oar
ik hunter and frost mage does
Well Surival doesnt like Mastery
and we all know
Survival is the best Hunter spec
rotund oak
Survival is the best Hunter spec
i do like survival as well its cool but is like played at all
Its mostly BM and MM hunters out there
dapper moat
What you guys think? Macroing Whithebark Branch trinket with Deathmark? Or I guess it would be better to use it in the middle of king'bane timer? to get the last tick? 🙂
maybe macro it with vanish?!
quiet oar
Woah who wrote this? Reads like a handsome smart guy
dapper moat
its true, text gives out some sigma energy wibes indeed ^^
pseudo hamlet
wtf
royal lantern
Woah who wrote this? Reads like a handsome smart guy
remove the smart part
and guy
near valley
Well the description definitely fits you
arctic cloud
took long enough
hollow dirge
took long enough
Those are from grandfather at the very least
rotund oak
took long enough
@vestal wren best dagger proc in wow history
its a set but whatever,u know
vestal wren
edge of knight is rly good too
hardy dagger
took long enough
How long did it take?
rotund oak
edge of knight is rly good too
true!
fury of the destroyer though was so crazy in heroic spine
holyfuk i miss cata
quiet oar
edge of knight is rly good too
EON or Legendary proc in Rogue tree ? 
vestal wren
mayb in 11.0, we will see
quiet oar
Hero Talent
rotund oak
How long did it take?
its 3 to 5 weeks for each stage iirc
assuming u wont have issues with 10k gold and wait 12 hours to decipher the ring
its basicly a 3month farm
hardy dagger
arctic cloud
How long did it take?
started it in BFA finished it today
rotund oak
started it in BFA finished it today
u didnt rly farm the clusters did u? 😛
i mean it was like 1-2 per boss on HC25
so outside the trivial quests the entire farm was to clear DS once per week
rotund oak
<a:deadspin:429728311636262922>
its actually less than 3 months its 10 weeks tops
so its 2.5 months
arctic cloud
strafe is your best friend on spine
rotund oak
the tenty mechanic was toxic
with the elementals
u had to lead them above some lava thingies to get stacks and dps the tenty before they explode
royal lantern
strafe is your best friend on spine
nah
just kill a tentacle, stand in the hole and go afk for 2-3min
when you come back you fok once and you spawned the bomb elemental->repeat 2x
near valley
<@194804407706189824> best dagger proc in wow history
Not a lot to go off of tbf
quiet oar
Not a lot to go off of tbf
You are my favourite dagger proc 
near valley
as in the actual fury proc?
No I mean dagger effects that are halfway decent
near valley
You are my favourite dagger proc <:Peepo_UwU:854962335461539881>
Here's a proc for you 
rotund oak
No I mean dagger effects that are halfway decent
idk havent rly used any dagger stronger than fangs,the proc was pretty much today's sblades on every global for 5 seconds
or it was 6
it was 5or 6
royal lantern
also gave mainstat iirc
rotund oak
ye that was passive
royal lantern
tbh, you need to remember that back then, finishers did Overall more dmg
royal lantern
so spamming finishers with the proc was actually really fucking big
rotund oak
dont think edge of night was as strong
no
thats why im spaming fuu to try cata classic
coz he didnt actually play probably one of the best rogue expansions
and sub with fangs was absolutely insane
rotund oak
without sub rogues,heroic spine wouldnt be possible
actually insane how much dmg sub could push in such a small amount of time
strange python
arctic socket
The build you enjoy the most
rotund oak
arterial shock
royal lantern
Without Flying
i mean
your right
and its better Overall
but lets be honest, DfA was just hype af
rotund oak
Without Flying
dfa was a two scale atk,the whirl at start and the finisher,Sectech is 3
royal lantern
i mean, he is right, weebtech is just dfa 2.0
more refined and actually supposed to be a central part of the kit
quiet oar
dfa was a two scale atk,the whirl at start and the finisher,Sectech is 3
Ye i know.
But they basically the same Thing
rotund oak
i dont see the resemblence but if u say so
dark token
i mean, he is right, weebtech is just dfa 2.0
Except dfa counted as an evisc so all your evisc modifiers applied to it
rotund oak
Except dfa counted as an evisc so all your evisc modifiers applied to it
assassination dfa used envenom iirc
dark token
Was that a talent
rotund oak
it actually copied the ''primary finisher'' of the specc
dark token
Never ran that
rotund oak
i dont remember
but i surely remember using dfa as sin
into tirple dps
in arena
very strong vs wars and dks
there was no answer
but ye for sub that applies 100%
got all the evisc amps
earnest remnant
it was main finisher for all 3 specs
rotund oak
it didnt suck that much for sin,at least for pvp,i played sub in cata
all the way sub pve
vestal wren
dfa was mostly used in pvp to stick to a target
subtlety did find a way to play it in pve too
rotund oak
yeah it was a gap closer but also a ''setup'' to oneshot plater users
royal lantern
subtlety did find a way to play it in pve too
honestly, kinda crazy if you think about it
how different sub would be without DfA sneaking its way into sub PvE in legion
royal lantern
that talent kinda changed the spec for a long time ye
earnest remnant
i still remember someone in WoD that added me and called me a cheater for killing him through BoP
rotund oak
lol
earnest remnant
when i was playing assa in arena
rotund oak
scrubs
royal lantern
i still remember someone in WoD that added me and called me a cheater for killin...
paladins and not knowing what their abilitys do, name a more iconic duo
vestal wren
that talent kinda changed the spec for a long time ye
sephuz mid season rework was the first time subtlety had a direction in years
but a lot of it was after legion reversed
secret is the spiritual successor of dfa
rotund oak
i wanna play cataclysm so much now man
vestal wren
tbh its nice to see us going back to wod/legion a bit more in design
with focus on burst rather than trying to smooth out the damage as much as possible
quiet oar
Only need soul capacitor right?!?
vestal wren
subtlety does rly good burst now
royal lantern
delete dust, make assa a bit less kb/1min burst focused and instead ssmooth its dmg out a bit more so that assa/ssub not more or less do the same thing, and its cool
vestal wren
i think dust is just a symptom
the fundamental problem behind dust is cooldown design, subtlety has a shitload of different cooldown timings
royal lantern
ye
imo its also that dust just makes subs cd's.....too fluid
if that makes sense
sour wraith
2 min sod
sour wraith
Ik I was just joking lol
sour wraith
But then neither would reset on encounter resets 
royal lantern
would make sub so pumpy
i mean not really?
if you reduce the cd of ssomething, it loses impact
rotund oak
if you reduce the cd of ssomething, it loses impact
well imagine that flag and sblades would allign 1 more time
more dmg overall more often
but ye
i get what u imply
dark token
delete dust, make assa a bit less kb/1min burst focused and instead ssmooth its ...
Stop
Don't let him cook
Assa is legit perfect apart from some tuning and defensives/utility in m+
The dmg profile is excellent and the spec is very fun
arctic cloud
make assa a support spec 
royal lantern
The dmg profile is excellent and the spec is very fun
mate
i want some difference in the specs dmg profiles
rn sub/assa more or less do the same, just that sub does it better cus of tuning
dark token
Not true, sin has much better cleave and prio dmg, and sub is not a 2 min spec with dust it shifts stuff around constantly
Just because they are both bursty doesn't make em same
Sub is tuned too high in single target, but as soon as you go to cleave scenarios sin is better dmg profile it's just sin is actually tuned low rn
It was over nerfed, the dmg profile is nuts for raid and keys
But it doesn't need a design change to fix that
Just better tuning and some more defensives for keys would be cool
rotund oak
Just better tuning and some more defensives for keys would be cool
tell me heretic but i want sin to be more viable for m+ with some real tankyness
make a node that translates mastery to vers
or something
royal lantern
make a node that translates mastery to vers
bruh
rotund oak
bruh
i wanna see sin doing higher keys man
thats all
cook what u want
make it viable
dark token
could be as simple as a node that makes atrophic poison stronger, or shiv making atrophic poison effect increase like it does for crippling/numbing
but that would probably be too strong for raid
rotund oak
yeah,that would be powerful in pretty much everywhere
unless it was specifically only for the rogue
like the poison reduces the dmg done to the rogue from the poisoned target
dark token
i mean it could be dumb like garroted targets deal 5% less dmg to you, like outlaw
with the pistol shot node
or just a stam node
doesnt have to be clever
spice surge
They probably should remove some of the ones in sub/outlaw instead
Defensive creep has been insane this expac
blissful forge
just give assa 2 vanish charges and same shield node as sub 🤷🏿♂️
and the dps increase from finality with having 2 vanish charges would be minor in raid
problem solved
and gives assa strict more ID value aswell
making leeching poison stronger for assa could also be an option
kinda like dh leech when youre in meta
spice surge
making leeching poison stronger for assa could also be an option
It is already doubled as assa
How much more do you want lol
blissful forge
but imo the 2 vanish charges + shield node is the simplest tho the best option, it gives assa more utility to play around and also some pre-planing e.g do i use the vanish charge now as a defensive, to power up the last tick of kb or to get more aoe garrotes/ruptures out
blissful forge
It is already doubled as assa
oh didnt knew that
blissful forge
im rarely playing sin, only played it in SL S2 and beginning of this season due to its power
spice surge
Its really only in m+ against oneshot sin is weaker
In raid the 12% leech does a lot
rare jackal
Assa is legit perfect apart from some tuning and defensives/utility in m+
preach
limber lion
hell no
spice spire
Ye
sinful holly
Hi Team, dumb question for vault.
This trinket pops up in my vault for myth, does this still worth taking now? I think wowhead stuff is not dated yet for trinket
royal lantern
i mean, mythic lvl dungeon trinkets in vault are rare
you should always grab them if possible
when its 1 of the good ones ofc
gilded oasis
my vault is just boots and cloaks
sinful holly
my vault is just boots and cloaks
yeah i got boots all the time too
especailly after crafted the boot lol
shy pecan
my vault is just boots and cloaks
You got Boots? 😮
runic hinge
raid logger detected opinion rejected
thorn fjord
Add 39 to that pull count btw -_-
royal lantern
raid logger detected opinion rejected
the hell are you doing at this point of the patch tbh
lusty hedge
Hey guys want to roll rogue is assas viable in 22-25 keys ?
lusty hedge
cus outlaw is boring af
runic hinge
the hell are you doing at this point of the patch tbh
dicking around on an alt lol
thorn fjord
dicking around on an alt lol
Playing Persona 3 Reloaded
royal lantern
cus outlaw is boring af
royal lantern
Playing Persona 3 Reloaded
105 hours, allready finished
thorn fjord
105 hours, allready finished
Tell me its not so fucking good
royal lantern
its P3, ofc its good lol
dark token
but 25 is the level where you notice that you fall behind outlaw tbh
27 tbh
It's fine till then
royal lantern
didnt say not viable, said "where you notice that you fall behind"
thorn fjord
its P3, ofc its good lol
I had never played 3 until reloaded... been enjoying it so much... Been going at a slow pace tho... Just finished Midterms
16/17 hours played only
royal lantern
aka "you notice that outlaw takes less dmg cus it has 100000000000 dr talents for free and 200%evasion uptime while doing more dmg overall"
royal lantern
I had never played 3 until reloaded... been enjoying it so much... Been going at...
its persona, the games are meant to be enjoyed slowly
im just a gremlin that stays home 24/7 gaming, and wow is "done" rn, im just raidlogging
thorn fjord
truth
Rebirth next week has me pretty stoked too
I really hope we kill swift this week 
royal lantern
and then into fyrakk prison 
gusty mirage
my vault is just boots and cloaks
I took the ember of nullification because everything else was kaka poo poo
spice spire
my vault is just boots and cloaks
God I wish I had boots in my vault
I’d play wow every week 
shy pecan
Same
worthy ruin
gilded oasis
God I wish I had boots in my vault
sorry wrong boots homie & other homie who also said that earlier
gilded oasis
true that
runic hinge
At least you have Willow and kitten
at least you have a george
spice spire
????
spice spire
yea at least you have someone that loves you
He’s dumb for it tho
gilded oasis
desert inlet
spice spire
<:BOOTSNAP:803866244637392900>
Needed this ty
royal lantern
we all need boots in our lifes
waxen oyster
we all need boots in our lifes
nah i need band of twisted bark for the 3rd vault in 2024
harsh harbor
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
dark token
queueing as a fire mage and insta invites due to arcane intellect + lust
the disparity is hilarious
earnest citrus
what options do you use for sim to accurately depict dmg? I heard dungeon slice is not the best
balmy condor
you don't
m+ is too volatile
too many variables, different weeks, different dungeons
we use dungeonslice cause it models a wide variety of situations
but you'll never find a dungeon sim of any kind that will "accurately depict damage"
cause that's not possible
earnest citrus
roger that so keep the settings that are selecting for dungeon slice. Thanks
balmy condor
yep
woeful meteor
new one is with spatter
runic hinge
Umm, I'm not sure. Probably not. spatter is kinda huge. I'm not sure what I thought IB's dps would be
balmy condor
I mean in single target spatter is 0%
arctic hare
Hey Cev, why doesn't your plater profile have Crimson Tempest set up?
For pandemic I mean
outer cairn
what's order of precedence currently for PI? just curious
keen spruce
uhdk, bm hunter, assas.
MM hunter on pull
dev and aff are up there iirc
then it kinda doesn't matter
havoc and ret pretty okay too i think
but it's a pretty big drop off after the top 3
outer cairn
oh ok. cuz we have two and its going to the sub rogue and bm hunter on pull instead of the uhdk
blazing jewel
Ain’t no way you are using pi on a sub rogue
blazing jewel
It’s actually worse than using it on a tank
outer cairn
all i can say is the uhdk isn't getting it on pull and the sub rogue and bm hunter are and i'm not getting it at all
outer cairn
yeah sub is getting it over me. i don't make the calls. tswifty prog
outer cairn
oh im aware
balmy condor
shy pecan
Grats
runic hinge
wOOO
balmy condor
shy pecan
You're free
outer cairn
he got pi
balmy condor
I do be getting pi
ember mural
shy pecan
rare jackal
nice job gamer
balmy condor
idk
rare jackal
reminds me of this meme
balmy condor
he played all 3 specs during prog
and I have no clue why
but he's raid leading
so idk
rare jackal
but he's raid leading
there it is
runic hinge
gangster
balmy condor
justwarlockthings
balmy condor
there it is
look man, I get pi and aug'd
I don't ask questions
I just stab
and they're happy with how I stab
and then gg
rare jackal
look man, I get pi and aug'd
you buff me out of my ass 🤝 you get to play whacky specs
rare jackal
id take that deal any day
spice spire
Why not 95
balmy condor
Why not 95
skill issue
spice spire
Real for that
brazen zodiac
epic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lucid birch
i was there
spice spire
You carried king
runic hinge
i was there
I’m proud of you
lucid birch
Ty king
cursive owl
good morning everynyan
vestal cliff
Does someone has tipps on how to play council mythic?
steel ridge
Dont die, boss dies eventually, dont consume the last green puddle
vestal cliff
But do i just single target one or do i run around refreshing dots?
steel ridge
Dont follow
follow the tanks
or attack whatever is in front of you 😄 but make sure you are able to soak the bear charge every second time
its a hot mess and you just have to embrace the chaos
vestal cliff
Haha okay thanks man 😄
past forum
Was just thinking about how different Primal Council and all the other Vault/Abberus bosses will feel in s4 post-rework
royal lantern
tbf
assa was actually quiet decent for primal council
just went full bleed spreading + CT and spend the entire fight keeping bleeds running on 4targets
sharp viper
one kill on smolderon and I got both of his trinkets in the two vaults afterwards
rotund oak
one kill on smolderon and I got both of his trinkets in the two vaults afterward...
it sucks give it to me
arctic cloud
i waited 7 days for
dapper moat
I know the stats is not so black and white, and I am simming myself quite a bit, but is there some type of a vague % to aim with your "third" secondary stat Haste? I seem to oom my energy quite a bit outside of the main rotation and was thinking is it more because im a bad pooler or the fact that my haste is only 8%.. Been getting crit/mast gear constantly. Many thanks guys/gals. 🙂
royal lantern
no
stat goals dont exist in modern wow
and running low on energy is normal on assa/sub
if energy would never run low at all, why would the Ressource exist in the first place
dapper moat
ah, ok ty, friend. Yeah simming still shows me crit/mast gems even
you are right about that. 😄
royal lantern
haste does fuck all for energy
1more energy reg for 10% haste and a very very small amount from more bleed ticks
you litearlly cant notice the difference bettwen 0% and 20%
dapper moat
Very good to know m8, thank you.
clever sapphire
you litearlly cant notice the difference bettwen 0% and 20%
speak for yourself, my eyes can tell the difference between 5% and 6% haste
royal lantern
speak for yourself, my eyes can tell the difference between 5% and 6% haste
yeha, you and @spice spire are just build different
quiet oar
speak for yourself, my eyes can tell the difference between 5% and 6% haste
Wtf
You only notice 1%?
clever sapphire
im working on it
quiet oar
I notice it at 0.2%
balmy condor
"killed"
quiet oar
Killed for me
Because i wouldnt get pi
And sub is just Too strong for last three bosses
But Yeah, killed is exxagerated
Thats true
royal lantern
And sub is just Too strong for last three bosses
i mean
assa is 200% fine and good for fyrakk lol
quiet oar
Ye its fine
royal lantern
iirc even does more p3 dmg then sub
royal lantern
which is like, kinda the important phase of the fight
quiet oar
But isnt that only with pi
Iirc without pi sub does more
But can be wrong
Or old data
balmy condor
in p3 probably sub yeh
assa cooldowns line up really nice otherwise though
spec plays itself
earnest remnant
gz on kill
royal lantern
just slam cds on the boss
balmy condor
gz on kill
ty
balmy condor
tyty
balmy condor
just slam cds on the boss
tbh depends on your guild
balmy condor
we had so much boss damage already there was actually 0 point in slamming boss
quiet oar
And i Spam CDs in intermission
royal lantern
i mean, you wanna use them on adds?
quiet oar
(on sub)
royal lantern
P A D D I N G
vestal wren
congrats on the kill 
balmy condor
we still killed way before 4th push
balmy condor
congrats on the kill <:poggers:652288776021999626>
thanks
earnest remnant
sad more people didn't get to experience the 10min fight version
balmy condor
like even with me not hitting boss, we double seed first push and skip
balmy condor
yah
earnest remnant
made it really satisfying to kill
balmy condor
the health nerf seems crazy to me in retrospect tbh
could've nerfed blaze damage or some shit idk
royal lantern
I kb first dark rock
eh, so you did like
cds on pull->intermission shield->both adds->then just on boss
balmy condor
has enough one shot mechanics with healer adds and seeds
royal lantern
tbh, it all just heavy depends on raid dps anyway
balmy condor
eh, so you did like
cds on pull->intermission shield->both adds->then just on b...
ye
I legit did tank levels of boss damage
earnest remnant
i was p2 boss fuckerx
balmy condor
legit parsed a 4 for tank damage
boss damage
whatever
and we still killed sub 9
with me being on add duty
but let me tell you
that dark colossus?
didn't stand a chance
earnest remnant
we are going for a sub 8 kill tmrw
earnest remnant
show only 2nd one
vestal wren
we are going for a sub 8 kill tmrw
good luck
balmy condor
earnest remnant
he got tbag'd ong
quiet oar
Oh because burning dies Too fast?
balmy condor
yah
quiet oar
I see
balmy condor
my job p2 was nuke the dark colossus and caustic the small adds
balmy condor
yeah that was my job too
earnest remnant
(i failed that a few times)
balmy condor
my job was:
- skull fuck intermission shield
- skull fuck the purple rock and the spirits
- don't blow up seed
task completed successfully
I couldn't even pad the small adds though
havoc played ragefire
was joever
balmy condor
yeh pretty much
I get to tickle them with the start of KB
and then he deletes
I wonder when he started hitting adds
agile geode
gz
can u share execute damage?
im curious
isnt assa great as sub for fyrakk because of execute?
forest nacelle
my job was:
1. skull fuck intermission shield
2. skull fuck the purple rock and ...
the last one is my job all the time 
pseudo elm
Sence i started to read this chat i improved alot as a assain rogue and people have been given me tips that i really appreciates. So here i got again. Im trying to improve dps ofc and change gear etc.
this is my current sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nPC6KSNac6T6qLocg9EeJo
Now i can choose a myth ring in vault and my idea was to make some changes and this sim is what i got then
royal lantern
whats the vault overall?
aka are there any other good options, cus you can also just craft a good ring tbh
limber lion
Are you choosing to use Improved Ambush for some reason or why are you using it?
Tight Spenders is 1.2k dps upgrade in comparison
pseudo elm
tbh i just started to test diffrent specs. and that one is the one with highest dps on sim
limber lion
One thing about the sim is that you're simming at 100% corrupting rage uptime
which is not really plausible
pseudo elm
no wait
limber lion
I'd personally recommend something between 80-90%
I use 85% personally
Having 100% uptime on cor rage will devalue crit further and inflate the sim number
limber lion
Even then you're at 100% corrupting rage uptime
pseudo elm
yeah but that one was from yesterday
limber lion
All of the sims you have linked have 100% uptime on corrupting rage
pseudo elm
ill make a new one, anyway about my changes. any other suggestions/input? is it even worth it?
limber lion
Just sim them all using top gear at once
Open the vault window
Then type /simc if you have the addon
and copy paste that text into top gear
it will include all the items in the vault as well in the sim
don't need to manually search for them and find them
pseudo elm
aha okey smooth. ive been searching for them manually, I only took the ring cause im pretty sure the shoulders is not what i need but you never know. Ill try. But the big changes would be to craft new boots and recraft bracers with new stats. To get up too 226k. 225k prob with 85% corrupting rage
limber lion
Here you go
I would do a big sim with both options once again
but the ring looks pretty good
No wait what am I looking at
Can you link me a sim of you simming the vault options?
pseudo elm
but there i got life bound boots. i dont have thoose but i will craft them if thats the best option
Wich it seems to be with the blue silken lining embellish. And the ring from the vault
limber lion
I'm a bit scared recommending double blue silk lining because it's super encounter specific, some encounters you get giga value from it some you get much less
But I've tried simming it a few times now with different uptime, and it looks like double BSL with the ring is the best combination available
The shoulders are marginally worse
Even here with 60% uptime it's within margin to Toxic Thorn.
royal lantern
I'm a bit scared recommending double blue silk lining because it's super encount...
i wonder how high the uptime would be on fyrakk, cus like, you ALWAYS lose hp on that fight lol
limber lion
But yeah my recommendation would be double BSL with the ring
and remember taking Tight Spenders
limber lion
i wonder how high the uptime would be on fyrakk, cus like, you ALWAYS lose hp on...
Yeaah some fights are super rough for sure
pseudo elm
hmm okey, i thougt double bsl would be the best choice to get my vers/haste up a bit, and still keep some mastery. But mabye its worth a try
and another crazy fun thing.
Thats before. I think you posted it too, or if it was someone else dont remember
So thank you for the tips and help last time. Made a huge diffrence and alot more fun to play again.
limber lion
Great! Keep practicing, you'll be topping the ranks soon enough!
Gnarlroot isn't necessarily the best thing to compare your performance on by the way because of the adds and intermissions and whatnot
Use Igira or Velcro for comparing your performance
Good luck!
pseudo elm
true, but still it shows a pretty big diffrence and its not by luck. Im trying to find a good way to see my rotation on the last fight but i cant find it. Would be great to get some pro input there
i see it if i mouse over the whole thing slowly but id like to find where you see at as a list spell by spell and the time it was casted.
limber lion
true, but still it shows a pretty big diffrence and its not by luck. Im trying t...
But that's the thing, it definitely can be because of luck. Especially on Gnarlroot. You can have bad placements of adds on one pull or a team that instakills everything, and then on the next pull have the adds better grouped up together and people killing them slower
That's why it's not a good idea to compare add fights against one another
For performance comparison, always only look at full single target fights.
limber lion
Good luck!
restive hawk
augury on myth track any good for raid or m+?
woeful meteor
no
restive hawk
ok ty mr tamaran
pseudo elm
textbook opener
may i ask what you mean by that?
rotund oak
may i ask what you mean by that?
the opener sequence
its what whispyr wrote on the guide
pseudo elm
okey, yeah ive read it, helpful guide
nimble zinc
i'm surprised we don't need more haste as a dot rogue
wouldn't it make our dots tick fastger/
or like in the case of kingsbane, it does all its damage over 14 sec, surely it would tick like every .4 sec instead of every .6-.8 sec if we had more haste right?
but all my sims are telling me to tke more mastery, more crit, even more vers.
and lets say a hypothetical scenario. if i have timestrike + windfury + PI + lust + whatever other raid buffs, wouldn't my kingsbane do more dmg? because each of those hits is another chance to apply poisons?
pseudo elm
i dont think haste changes that, but im not sure. My sims are telling me more haste to increase my dps
pseudo elm
my thougt is that its the mastery that changes the dps on bleeds. Higher mastery increases the bleed dps. Haste just increase the attack speed and energy generation. Someone correct me if im wrong
nimble zinc
Stat Weights
Agility
20.41
Critical Strike
14.18
Mastery
13.19
Versatility
12.89
Haste
10.01
Off Hand Weapon DPS
2.25
Weapon DPS
114.85
- If you added 595 Agility to your character, each point would add an average of 20.41 DPS (this does not guarantee that 1 Agility = 20.41 DPS)
here's what a stat weight sim told me
gilded oasis
Stat weight sims aren't always the best. Better to sim top gear and combos of gems/enchants and the gear in your bags
Our stats are pretty volatile right now depending on what year you have (trinkets heavily change this) so it can change with just a change of a piece or two of gear.
limber lion
my thougt is that its the mastery that changes the dps on bleeds. Higher mastery...
Yeah that's incorrect
pseudo elm
how i found out that sim wanted me to have more haste is when i sim top gear with enchants and gems.
limber lion
Haste increases the speed at which dots tick as well
And versatility increases all damage by a flat amount
Haste, mastery and versatility all directly affect how much or how fast a dot does damage
Crit is the only one that is not a flat increase
rotund oak
Our stats are pretty volatile right now depending on what year you have (trinket...
was about to write that but changed my mind,its kinda obv when u start running top gear/droptimizer
gilded oasis
Haste increases the speed at which dots tick as well
KB is set though someone said once isn't it? I actually don't know
limber lion
Yes
gilded oasis
was about to write that but changed my mind,its kinda obv when u start running t...
Yeah but a lot of people don't run top gear or droptemizer a lot use stat weight or quick sims
limber lion
Kingsbane does not fall in the same category
It's an ability that does nature damage over time
rotund oak
Yeah but a lot of people don't run top gear or droptemizer a lot use stat weight...
thats so wrong in so many ways 😄
limber lion
Bit different than bleed/poisons
pseudo elm
so lets say rupture. 100.000k dps over 20sec. With more haste it increases to 110k over thoose 20sec? just an example.
ive allways thougt that haste increases the melee attack speed
only
limber lion
Sure, but instead of doing 20 ticks during those 20 seconds
it does 25 ticks
so it's the same damage, but it's more ticks because it ticks faster
same damage, same duration, but more ticks
Whereas mastery and versatility increase the damage of it, but not the tick rate
pseudo elm
okok got it. never even thougt of that
limber lion
It honestly does not matter whether you know how the stats work or not
They're completely abundant and useless relics of the past
They all increase your damage
and they all have diminishing returns
there's no breakpoints to go for
it just kinda doesn't matter whatsoever what stats you get and what you use
pseudo elm
yeah but still fun to learn how it works
limber lion
yup
nimble zinc
Our stats are pretty volatile right now depending on what year you have (trinket...
yeah I thought so, like i recently got a myth ember of nullification from vault, and its high vers, which increases the dmg of al lmy abilities, physical, bleed, poison, nature, etc. but... it doesnt sim as high as my myth sandglass and hero 483 branch
I was told by some guildddmates that the vers would be better in higher keys like anything over +25
even tho ihighest ive done is a 20, and im only 475 at present
limber lion
I dont remember if i asked before, do you play sin?
I'm known from pretty much onetricking Assassination. I dabble with Sub a bit as well, but I've always mained Assassination
For 5+ years now
pseudo elm
okey, so you know what you are talking about then. Wich i noticed
May i ask what dps you get when you sim?
limber lion
With that being said, I do not play the game actively anymore. I quit mythic raiding and tryharding entirely last patch.
My current character is pretty bad
just ain't got the time or interest to play the current patch unfortunately.
pseudo elm
okey
static glacier
I was told by some guildddmates that the vers would be better in higher keys lik...
Myth ember will give you a persistent 1.5%ish DR so in that sense it is better in higher keys where survival is more difficult
runic hinge
May i ask what dps you get when you sim?
225k
I’m 486
Myth nick, myth branch, hero sandglass
pseudo elm
Thats good, im not far from there, id like to have myth nick too. got 2 hero nicks now
royal lantern
reminder that this is a 100% st build, which is not really what you play on many fights this tier
AND YES, STILL A FRKING HEROIC HEAD PIECE THANKS BLIZZARD
vestal wren
AND YES, STILL A FRKING HEROIC HEAD PIECE THANKS BLIZZARD
you are welcome. Just get a drop, its not that hard
pseudo elm
reminder that this is a 100% st build, which is not really what you play on many...
you ever tried sim with blue linen silk as embellishment?
runic hinge
If he was running ashes, bsl would be better but with branch you don’t need the mastery
nimble zinc
Myth nick, myth branch, hero sandglass
yeah is double blue silk better than toxic thorn boots + toxic patch?
nimble zinc
are you guys all running the same sim specs, single target - patchwerk 1 boss 5 min, all raid buffs?
dapper moat
is sandclass trinket mostly for raids and tyranical? I seem to sim way higher with porcelain crab on dungeon cleave.
royal lantern
you ever tried sim with blue linen silk as embellishment?
dont see a reason to do it cus BLS is not really that good this tier overall
too many of the important fights have constant dmg events that turn it off
rotund oak
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4NrCjwugDeFVt53yCmTjsP
probably one of the nicest mogs if u find another belt 👌
dapper moat
drooling those 489 nick of times 😛
royal lantern
good god, i never realised how insane my socketed gems must look like
but thats what the sims say
dapper moat
i have haste gems..