you have a metric fuck ton of utility
#assassination
runic hinge
ret in keys is pretty good
Playing human pally for WCM and just hoping you get every soul thorns so you can show off
pseudo elm
okey ive been reading pretty much everywhere about this and i cant find anything good enough imo. And its about that prio in raid vs m+. I thougt for a long time that the key was to get alot mastery. Looking at murlok.io thats not the case. Its usualy around 65% and 20% haste and around 20% vers and 30-40% crit. But i wonder in raid whats the best stat prio there? Im doing rotation and everything right but im stuck at around 200k dps if everything goes as planned
gilded oasis
you can bench 2.2 of me
spice spire
Jesus
shy pecan
okey ive been reading pretty much everywhere about this and i cant find anything...
It’s whatever you sim best with the gear available to you.
gilded oasis
what is murlok.io I hope its just gifs of Whispyr.
Stat weights change depending on your gear and mainly trinkets tbh. Best bet is to sim yourself to see either gear upg or what stat its leaning to in like gems (not stat weight sim)
wait is this all just pvp shit
shy pecan
No, there’s some M+ stuff
pseudo elm
I really like assa and ive been struggeling with for some time to learn how to play it, but im starting to think i need to start getting gear so i can jump to outlaw
gilded oasis
idk it says pvp guide
pseudo elm
sim on raidbots you mean?
spice surge
I FOUND THE BUTTON TO CHANGE DONT MEME ME
Ok 
shy pecan
sim on raidbots you mean?
Yes
Just use top gear and click on the trinkets and items that are potentially best for you
spice spire
I FOUND THE BUTTON TO CHANGE DONT MEME ME
Too late bozo
shy pecan
pseudo elm
do any of you guys that plays assasination play any of the other speccs too?
shy pecan
I played sub and sin
pseudo elm
sin?
shy pecan
Sin = assassination
royal lantern
do any of you guys that plays assasination play any of the other speccs too?
in SL yes, in DF no cus DF sub/outlaw play like absolute crap
pseudo elm
how is that compare to outlaw and assa? take smolderon for expample. assa totaly sucks on that boss. everything is about the 2 cd´s. and with that many mecanics you really need to have a specc with more consistent dps
shy pecan
in SL yes, in DF no cus DF sub/outlaw play like absolute crap
You play like crap 
royal lantern
assa doesnt suck on smolderon lol
sub is just OP as hell there cus dust is a flawed talent
assa is a 100% normal spec there like all others
pseudo elm
well yeah sometimes i play crap i know when thats the case. its just about learning when to use the cd´s on diffrent bosses ofc
storm forum
OL is funny on smold cause they just take 2 on use damage trinkets and alternate them on intermissions
runic hinge
I played assa on smoldy and topped my raid so it can't be that bad
royal lantern
OL is funny on smold cause they just take 2 on use damage trinkets and alternate...
sub does the same btw
pseudo elm
how much dps did you do?
storm forum
Sub can suck my ass
runic hinge
Smold you just send everythiing on cd always
dark token
Sub can suck my ass
runic hinge
242k
royal lantern
Sub can suck my ass
based
pseudo elm
thats pretty good. im stuck atm at 200k. not on smolderon though
do you save deathmark for phase 2 after orbs?
runic hinge
I did a normal raid for 1 boss today and played sub and I decided that isn't for me
blazing jewel
assa doesnt suck on smolderon lol
heroic splits 
runic hinge
do you save deathmark for phase 2 after orbs?
I sent every cd on cd
storm forum
Last time I killed a mythic boss as sub my guild fell apart so I'm using that as a scapegoat instead of all the other fucked up stuff that was happening in our guild.
gilded oasis
Last time I killed a mythic boss as sub my guild fell apart so I'm using that as...
real and based. sorry to hear that you played sub so poorly you broke a guild
storm forum
Thanks
gilded oasis
pseudo elm
I sent every cd on cd
whats your stats priority?
runic hinge
Idk, I just sim every day
gilded oasis
yeahh it just depends.. When I wear branch in ST my prio goes to haste, when I wear ashes it goes to mastery, m+ pings between crit and mastery but its like 800dps change so
dark token
whats your stats priority?
runic hinge
I sent a sim just now for fun I can get .7% dps if i craft 2 items and change my gems
gilded oasis
.7?! OP
shy pecan
Stop. Looking. At. Stat. Priority.
pseudo elm
why? that gotta be importent
shy pecan
It's not as important as you think.
gilded oasis
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
dark token
why? that gotta be importent
the gif has the correct stat weights
runic hinge
the gif has the correct stat weights
no trolling
pseudo elm
i did a sim a couple of days ago and it said 197k, i did 200k on first boss in mythic so that gotta mean i atleast know what im doing
its not that i want all the ppl stat prio im just curious. i want to improve
gilded oasis
then you should be asking about your rotation you are executing probably not your stats
shy pecan
^ This
dark token
200k on first boss 
pseudo elm
and i m+ im not happy with my dps. not at all
gilded oasis
and in the end your damage comes down to rotation, did you get a mechanic, did you get a mechanic during KB? did adds live long enough to pad, did someone else pad harder? did you get PI? did you get aug buffs
dark token
i think u should focus on executing ur 1 min and 2 min burst exactly correct
and let sim worry about gear
storm forum
First boss has adds we can burst down and a damage Amp phase, we should be doing way more than our Sim dps on gnarlroot
shy pecan
What Zar said. Execution is far more important than your gear. If you're not hitting your buttons properly, that's the reason why you're likely not performing.
gilded oasis
I mean m+ comes down to just as many things plus, did you finish ramping your KB on one target or did it die before KB ended, are you spattering correctly are your bleeds up do you know when to send CDs or hold (harder to tell in pugs and not knowing their pulls)
m+ takes more planning and knowing what your situation is, its not the same every pull unless you are playing with a consistent group where a boss pull is literally scripted minus who gets mechanics (sometimes)
and sin m+ is a lot of tabbing and also knowing when to stop tabbing and doing some caustic damage and hoping adds live long enough for KB and/or DM to finish out
shy pecan
I wanna say a lot of poor M+ play is people just holding CDs too long for that "perfect pull" and missing a lot of uses because of it
gilded oasis
depends but yes
pseudo elm
one thougt ive had is in between the cd´s ive noticed i go under half energy pretty often so i spend time waiting on it to. and then i evenemon is not up all the time
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
gilded oasis
you wont have 100% envenom time in raid and most certaintly not in m+
pseudo elm
because when i do my cd rotaion i allways get on top of dps list again. but after second deathmark im stuck further down
runic hinge
you wont have 100% envenom time in raid and most certaintly not in m+
You might not but I’m different
storm forum
TLDR for the TLDR: if you have 4 piece, spam until 0 energy, and then pool until 90% energy.
gilded oasis
You might not but I’m different
storm forum
It's okay to let env drop when you're pooling
runic hinge
Maybe I try pugging some mythic bosses this week
blazing jewel
first 3 are pretty easy to pug
pseudo elm
but still if sim says 200k dps. i should do changes on my gear
runic hinge
You should sim top gear and use the best stuff in your bags
You play is gonna matter more than your secondaries
gilded oasis
and turn off windfury and pi and any other outside buffs you dont actually get because its just skewing your sim number if you're so stuck on that number
runic hinge
Hit some dummy’s and work on perfecting your opener and your 1 min KB window
pseudo elm
whats the diffrence on your dps on KB with and without DM?
storm forum
A lot
pseudo elm
ah okey, mine too
storm forum
Like 2x
pseudo elm
like me
storm forum
DM duplicates your weapon poisons, which makes KB ramp twice as much
gilded oasis
Tony's non DM KBs are actually more than when he DMs its crazzy
pseudo elm
i can come up to 2.2 with dm. and without not very often over 1m
storm forum
Tony is just built different
gilded oasis
yeah thats just how DM works with KB
storm forum
Yeah that sounds about right.
pseudo elm
but after that cds, my dps just drops. so it feels like the problem is in between cds
blazing jewel
thats how a burst spec works
shy pecan
Yeah, because that's how it works
gilded oasis
thats kinda what we do
shy pecan
Scana too fast
drifting cloud
scana plays sub dont trust him
gilded oasis
between cds we are just playing the envenom chain game
pseudo elm
that i know but i should get back up again when its time to pop them
shy pecan
Yeah, because I'm old 
blazing jewel
scana plays sub dont trust him
storm forum
KB is also very rng. My nonDM KBs are between 850k and 2M, my DM KBs are between 1.7m and 4.5M. And yeah, we just do little damage outside of those, it's just how our build is.
strange python
Can someone tell me why the fuck Tindral is parrying/dodging sooo much on pull?
And before you are smart I'm not in front of him
storm forum
Our CDs are insane and we're relatively weaker outside of them to compensate
gusty mirage
scana plays sub dont trust him
he also plays with my heart
storm forum
Tindral does a lot of spinning
gusty mirage
blazing jewel
not that washed
blazing jewel
<:sadbubbles:651117956012572676>
this is a good emoji
storm forum
Tindral loves to parry when he's spinning
gusty mirage
Scana actually did keys with me yesterday
imagine volunteering yourself to m+
what a pal
shy pecan
spice surge
And before you are smart I'm not in front of him
Well if hes parrying you are infront of him 
But likely your tanks are turning him a lot more than they need to, but later with the shrooms they definitely need to turn him
shy pecan
That'd explain the starting Raal fight by Oxi 
blazing jewel
pseudo elm
well thanks for the advices, ill sim more and i think ill try to get better at pulling my energy in a good way. finding some way to use multilate and eveneom consistent
spice surge
Just silly of blizzard to allow him to parry
blazing jewel
PARRY WARBREAKER
gusty mirage
Well if hes parrying you are infront of him <:peeposhrug:657382266921812009>
Bu...
he sometimes does the sylv thing too which is kind of annoying
randomly turns to cast
spice surge
Ye
shy pecan
smh my head
storm forum
sub deserves to get parried more
backstab should be auto parried if not used from behind
blazing jewel
do I send this to my dh
storm forum
blazing jewel
50% miss
storm forum
id be down for that trade
gusty mirage
imagine how much they'd have to buff it by to make that remotely acceptable
large kbs
storm forum
instantly kill kings
strange python
Well if hes parrying you are infront of him <:peeposhrug:657382266921812009>
Bu...
This is on pull. Like nothing is happening when I'm running after him on pull
gusty mirage
instantly kill kings
the lore demands it
storm forum
swap talents if the boss isnt a boy
blazing jewel
kill anduin
storm forum
Realz better put Queensbane on the april fools patch notes
runic hinge
kill anduin
Marry @gusty mirage fuck @spice spire next question
blazing jewel
gusty mirage
spice spire
blazing jewel
marry oxi fr hes got the good food
spice spire
What I’m saying
gusty mirage
and you never have to see him because he works 80 hours a day
spice spire
But you got the looks
It’s only like
Ten hour days
4 days a week these days bozo
spice spire
Just took my life falling apart to advocate for myself damn
gilded oasis
my health insurance is sending me in circles I blame you every time
drifting cloud
Marry <@192059095279337473> fuck <@226508540746006528> next question
you crazy you marry quake for sure
spice spire
my health insurance is sending me in circles I blame you every time
Dog I work for the uninsured
I don’t do insurance
spice spire
spice spire
you crazy you marry quake for sure
Simp
gilded oasis
drifting cloud
oh my bad
gilded oasis
can it be fuck fuck fuck instead or?
gusty mirage
can it be fuck fuck fuck instead or?
spice spire
gilded oasis
we can be hip and make it marry marry marry
spice spire
Who’s the third person
gilded oasis
stealthi
spice spire
If I’m not the kill ur inting
gusty mirage
If I’m not the kill ur inting
we've covered this, we couldn't do that to George
spice spire
George can go to the happy couple damn
limber lion
Go on
pseudo elm
im not happy with it. its about the same that i am doing so my rotation is okey. so next thing is gear
my stat prio
limber lion
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
gilded oasis
do we wear toxic thorn without toxic patch. I thought if you went blue silk it was like double blue silk
or some shit
limber lion
do we wear toxic thorn without toxic patch. I thought if you went blue silk it w...
Very personal to every character
pseudo elm
it is, its 2 embellishment
limber lion
Just use whatever sims highest
pseudo elm
this is my highest
gilded oasis
Just use whatever sims highest
oh so you're saying sim yourslf and just trust the sim and don't feelycraft it cause you dont like it?
limber lion
Damn that's crazy
gilded oasis
wild
blazing jewel
am I cooked or do you not have a head enchant on either
- you have imp ambush on still
limber lion
Yup
pseudo elm
no i dont. i dont got the myth pieace yet
shy pecan
Doesn't matter. You can use it as many times as you want.
limber lion
It's not a consumable
pseudo elm
aha, dident know that acctally.
gilded oasis
quake you wanna make fun of me?
limber lion
Alright time to do a quick simmy
gilded oasis
also no gem sims if you care, with bark you prob dont gem mastery
pseudo elm
oh so you're saying sim yourslf and just trust the sim and don't feelycraft it c...
its not about that, i just curious what other people have and think. i want to improve my dps thats all
limber lion
There you go, this will probably take a very long time to sim
but that will tell you what to do
gilded oasis
anticipation is killing me
limber lion
gonna be a slow, painful death then
gilded oasis
bless
shy pecan
I mean, I'm looking at the log of your kill and right off the bat...
pseudo elm
when is that?
shy pecan
Your M Gnarlroot kill on Saturday.
limber lion
Yeah pulling off the correct rotation definitely helps elevate your dps
pseudo elm
prob not my best play night
shy pecan
I mean, that's your top log...
pseudo elm
woow
limber lion
Change all gems to haste + vers, get head enchant, get primary stat gem, change weapon enchants to wafting devotion
runic hinge
Double wafting. That’s sick
limber lion
and use tight spender instead of improved ambush
runic hinge
Zooming
limber lion
You might probably want to change the ring enchants to haste as well
but I was sitting at 15.8m iterations out of 16m already so I couldn't fit em in
pseudo elm
this was really fun to see. thanks alot
shy pecan
You still need to execute your rotation properly. Like not hitting double tea during your DM windows, utilizing Tea/Vanish properly to maximize your KB potential. Not overwriting your improved garrote after dancing.
pseudo elm
i did that prob cos of i went to low on engery, to get back up over 150
shy pecan
You shouldn't be running out of energy during DM because you have four bleeds up
runic hinge
You don’t need to be over 150. Sanguine isn’t something to play around
shy pecan
And that too
pseudo elm
isent it? 30% increased dps on bleeds
runic hinge
You’re also full sending during cds and chaining evenom outside of it
shy pecan
You don't play around Sanguine Blades
runic hinge
isent it? 30% increased dps on bleeds
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
runic hinge
Read that and then go to whispyrs YouTube and watch all the newest vids
Maybe just all of them
And you’ll be better at assa for it
gilded oasis
missed opportunity to use ass instead of assa
runic hinge
gilded oasis
pseudo elm
no need to make fun of it. im asking to learn so
limber lion
He's not making fun of anyone
gilded oasis
no it wasn't making fun of you sorry, I just call it ass and amuse me
limber lion
Just making fun of the word assassination
gilded oasis
I promise
pseudo elm
okey mb then. np
runic hinge
Lmao gottem
gilded oasis
Theres Whispyrs vids if you dont wanna search em up
blazing jewel
There you go, found almost 10k dps for ya
OMG HES A WIZARD
gilded oasis
zar is an ass ass
true
blazing jewel
BIG DPS HACK
gilded oasis
no hes a rogue
blazing jewel
gilded oasis
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oeco8p59LfQ98yGxqFc6wA
thats a wierd sin build my dude
limber lion
that has spatter on it lol
Yeh, most peeps probs don't care enough to change to IB
old halo
of F, thats sub
old halo
what channel am i in lmao
blazing jewel
during our first volc kill I accidentally had spatter on lmfao
storm forum
what channel am i in lmao
offtopic-2 channel
spice spire
Krill issue tbh
limber lion
no need to make fun of it. im asking to learn so
Yeah that's good man, we're all here to learn
pseudo elm
well thanks alot for the help guys, mabye ill write an update on how good the changed worked for me
limber lion
We all start somewhere
pseudo elm
changes*
spice spire
Cev is right. You got this homie gl
shy pecan
I'm just looking at other logs and you do the same things on other pulls. Just need to fix your fundamentals to how you play in CDs and should be fine.
gilded oasis
and pray for no mechanics during KB
spice spire
and pray for no mechanics during KB
I pray I get mechanics during kb but I’m different
pseudo elm
yeah, tbh some of the misstakes is prob just sloppy from my side. Not all ofc but some
gilded oasis
I pray I get mechanics during kb but I’m different
I wish I can be like you when I grow up
gilded oasis
yeah, tbh some of the misstakes is prob just sloppy from my side. Not all ofc ...
tis alright ive played rogue since Cata and I still vanish too early sometimes and say "oh shit" and chill in vanish so KB still crits
shy pecan
gilded oasis
Get back to the retirement home
can't make me
limber lion
I played in Cataclysm but super casually
only started playing for realzkies in Antorus
spice spire
tis alright ive played rogue since Cata and I still vanish too early sometimes a...
Batman couldn’t get that one outta me
I was combat in cataclysm
limber lion
I was parsing only purples on mythic on my first ever mythic tier. Good times :')
spice spire
Swapped sin after daggers acquired and it’s never been diff
limber lion
You start somewhere and then you take off
gilded oasis
then mop came and we were BING CHILLING
limber lion
soon you'll be parsing r1's only
spice spire
And thank fuck too. If I had to play dragon soul combat one more time I’d have actually deadge
limber lion
and teaching us how to play
spice spire
True and real
pseudo elm
tis alright ive played rogue since Cata and I still vanish too early sometimes a...
Do you vannish after the improved garrote ends that you did after KB?
gilded oasis
you want to vanish the last 3 seconds of KB
pseudo elm
ahaaa.
limber lion
is this boomer town or
gilded oasis
sometimes I do it at 5 or 4 cause Im getting antsy
limber lion
Lmaooo
spice spire
Listen man I’m on mobile
gilded oasis
bro I typed 5 and then 4 times trying to get to 3
gilded oasis
Im just brain dead
limber lion
I suck giga dick on mobile
gilded oasis
I cant hit the right buttons
limber lion
I'm the slowest mobile typer
spice spire
But also yeah Zar is boomer as fuck
gilded oasis
ruck ruck
spice spire
Listen you
blazing jewel
actual sin players are here
spice spire
I'm the slowest mobile typer
I doubt that I’ve seen some wildly slow typers
blazing jewel
I havent played sin since nerf stuff
limber lion
I havent played sin since nerf stuff
Me neither
blazing jewel
with the vanish at the end of kb do we still env
spice spire
Also autocorrect can suck one today
blazing jewel
or is it a gain to rupture now
limber lion
Still Env
gilded oasis
Env
limber lion
You only Rupture if it's in pandemic
gilded oasis
but I rupture cause im built diff
limber lion
You don't play around snapshot Rupture at all
gilded oasis
I literally cant stop
blazing jewel
im playing sin in alt raid
pseudo elm
ive been using vannish totaly wrong then. Ive been aiming for another improved garrote. and ofc using env for crit
blazing jewel
gm will not control me any longer
limber lion
ive been using vannish totaly wrong then. Ive been aiming for another improved g...
You always want to Garrote once with Vanish for Improved Garrote if your garrote is not improved prior
So that's a good thing
gilded oasis
ive been using vannish totaly wrong then. Ive been aiming for another improved g...
yeah move it down a bit and youll be good.
limber lion
But yeah you need to delay it until KB has 3s or less remaining
to take advantage of Master Assassin as well
blazing jewel
pseudo elm
another thing, rotation guides ive checked shows that i should use shiv before shadow dance. i dont i use it after shadow dance for crit.
limber lion
Shiv is not a button you use for damage
limber lion
You use it to buff the nature damage of other things
like Envenom and KB
Do you have Envenom up before you KB
pseudo elm
yes, allways use it before
limber lion
The reason you Shadow Dance together with KB is to maximize the overall damage of everything that you're doing. KB, Shiv, Env, DM, everything
Dance lasts only 6s
So if you Shiv before Dance, you'll still have the entire Dance window fit inside the Shiv window
But if you dance before you Shiv, that means that you get 1s less of Dance during KB
limber lion
As well as making the garrote reapplication and stuff wonky
Just do yourself a favor and learn the recommended rotation
pseudo elm
it was just a thougt i had and yes. i felt that i got enough time to use everything during shadow dance. i did know mabye i was wrong so thats why i asked
limber lion
Yeah you just want to maximize overlapping of all possible cooldowns as much as possible
So you use Deathmark first which is the longest cd
pseudo elm
and trinket before dm
limber lion
Then Shiv, Dance, KB
Yeah and potion together with DM/KB
You just want to overlap everything in the world together for big deeps
and then feel like a wet noodle when everything ends
that's the way of the assassination
smiles
:)
pseudo elm
thats mine?
limber lion
But yeah learn the opener right because it's the same thing everytime. It doesn't change at all
What changes is how you play around the 4p and that's what the !pooling command is for that you saw previously
limber lion
thats mine?
No, that's probably Whispyr's.
Just a showcase of what it should look like
balmy condor
it was just a thougt i had and yes. i felt that i got enough time to use everyth...
Yeh, we press Deathmark and shiv before dance because we want to avoid wasting gcds in dance. Instant damage and big snapshots only like kb and garrote
blazing jewel
Whisp would never use branch
pseudo elm
vannish 13 sec after kb
balmy condor
Whisp would never use branch
???? I love branch
blazing jewel
limber lion
vannish 13 sec after kb
Well not quite
As long as it's less than 3s of Kingsbane
you're fine
If you use it when KB has 3.1s remaining, it's wasted
willow grotto
When will the sub be nerfed? When the assa was strong he was already nerfed 3 times
limber lion
better to use at 2s than at 3.1s
balmy condor
That vanish might’ve not hit the second to last tick
It’s like 0.3 seconds late
But idk
limber lion
When will the sub be nerfed? When the assa was strong he was already nerfed 3 ti...
that was also the beginning of the patch where they aggressively nerf classes and encounters
balmy condor
Looks fine
blazing jewel
A lot of leeway with the vanish timing because of how kb ticks
gilded oasis
thats mine?
no thats Whispyrs, sorry had to put flowers in a vase
limber lion
no thats Whispyrs, sorry had to put flowers in a vase
that sounds like an innuendo that I don't understand
blazing jewel
They will probably do balance after m+ season ends
pseudo elm
If you use it when KB has 3.1s remaining, it's wasted
why is it wasted then?
limber lion
I also love putting flowers in vases
balmy condor
that sounds like an innuendo that I don't understand
I’ll put my flowers in your vase bud
gilded oasis
that sounds like an innuendo that I don't understand
naw my bf brought home flowers and I had to put them in water
balmy condor
why is it wasted then?
Master assassin is 3 sec
limber lion
I’ll put my flowers in your vase bud
man got me sweating
balmy condor
3.1 > 3
pseudo elm
ah ofc
balmy condor
You miss the tick
limber lion
naw my bf brought home flowers and I had to put them in water
fair fair fair
jaunty warren
Yeh, we press Deathmark and shiv before dance because we want to avoid wasting g...
That answers a question I had about why we don’t dance the dm for the damage boost…Ty
limber lion
snapshotting this ain't doing much
pseudo elm
well Ceverion and Zar i really appriciate your help and input, really. Most wow geeks would just sneeze at me. so thanks alot
gilded oasis
but then it might be 1%
balmy condor
That answers a question I had about why we don’t dance the dm for the damage boo...
Yeh dancing the dm sounds good in theory cause you’re snapshotting the new garrote until you realize you’re just gonna cast a new garrote anyway
And then it’s like well
I’m gonna garrote regardless
limber lion
well Ceverion and Zar i really appriciate your help and input, really. Most wow ...
No worries. Get your gear sorted, rotation checked out and you're blasting in no time!
pseudo elm
I will for sure.
limber lion
jaunty warren
Makes sense thanks much
gilded oasis
hit a target dummy a bit, it really helps when trying to get the rythm and muscle memory down
keen spruce
target dummy goodge
keen spruce
ye
limber lion
gilded oasis
yum gulag is that like goulash
jaunty warren
Ok so how do we deal with mechanics that take us off target like smolderons rings ? I feel bad hitting kb and the running away
blazing jewel
Cloak
keen spruce
gilded oasis
imagine not wasting cloak 15s into the fight
gilded oasis
but yeah cloak or just try to run out fast and step back in fast to have minimal downtime on that if you dont have cloak up
keen spruce
it's mostly just planning
like on smoldy
you cloak during first intermissino
for uptime
during kb
then you don't have CDs for the next one so it's fine to run out
and you have to use gate anyways
then 3rd one the rings don't make you get off the boss
with lust
and dam
then 4th one your CDs come back after rings iirc
jaunty warren
Wait….the smoldy rings have a consistent, repeating pattern for each intermission ?
blazing jewel
Shmeeps also has secret tech on how to dodge all the tornados on smold
gilded oasis
Heroic is random (?) still but mythic the rings for all intermissions are set patterns
gilded oasis
Shmeeps also has secret tech on how to dodge all the tornados on smold
is it cloak?
blazing jewel
Oh no
limber lion
I've heard that Shmeeps has a spreadsheet for every single ability and what defensive works on what
blazing jewel
@keen spruce
limber lion
Make sure to dm him whenever you have a question about that
gilded oasis
putting Shmeeps on speed dial
jaunty warren
Stares at smeeps …so this key info is hidden where ?
blazing jewel
jaunty warren
Not signing up for his onlyfans
blazing jewel
Shmeeps secret smold tech
His brain was expanding
4000iq
Let me see if I can find it
gilded oasis
duck planting like a treeee
blazing jewel
How does he do it
gilded oasis
its work order only unless you are JC
pseudo elm
saw now
limber lion
https://clips.twitch.tv/HyperInquisitiveSnailOpieOP-m4L6FPsTLO8xhM-l
gigachad
you know he was hovering that cloak like a motherfucker
the second he clips a nado, it's cloaktime
gilded oasis
idk if we're ever gonna rekill smold
blazing jewel
limber lion
lmao good one
pseudo elm
ive tried smolderon mythic, its really hard.
thorn fjord
Its not too bad tbh
gilded oasis
I found it quite fun by the end of prog
gilded oasis
🤮
pseudo elm
and to get all the people to worry about where to send the swirls, that seems to be the biggest issue. atleast in the guild i raided with
thorn fjord
We're way more pulls in on swift and i still dont feel like guaging my eyes out
gilded oasis
Im jealous
thorn fjord
and to get all the people to worry about where to send the swirls, that seems to...
Its def a fight of self responsibility
gilded oasis
Im tired of the same people dying to first nadoes, and 2nd and then 2nd platform
pseudo elm
when you are at smolderon do melee stay at boss with the swirls?
gilded oasis
I think he means the ones that shoot nadoes
sweet dawn
Ohh
gilded oasis
we made a line on either side of the boss cause Ls are too hard and also range like to be in melee instead of in range so melee had to run out kekw
thorn fjord
Oh man range got chewed the fuck out one night because of that
sweet dawn
We kinda stand on the outer side of the boss/arena and ranged stand near old lava pools
thorn fjord
We tried the two line strat and our smoll brains couldnt handle
But we kept having range come in to melee every single time
RL fucking lost his shit lol
gilded oasis
Once we started the two line strat it was better for us but yeah
gilded oasis
But we kept having range come in to melee every single time
It's so annoying lmao
It helped that a hunter and mage and dragon started baiting in Africa so it was 3 less people in spots
ebon apex
so how bad is it to catalyst head instead of legs? my plan is to get legs crafted w toxified patch, and tack on thornwraps. 4/4 tier set
i read ideally you would catalyst legs and get the head piece crafted
balmy condor
Pretty much irrelevant
gilded oasis
just like me
gilded oasis
young briar
Guys whats the pandemic timings for Garrote and Rupture
gilded oasis
!pandemic
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
young briar
Just want to know and what time left i need to re-apply
young briar
im bad at math
gilded oasis
28
young briar
well 28
spice spire
7.4?
gilded oasis
8.4
young briar
so at 8 secs left i wanna refresh?
young briar
thats what im doing, im making a WA package
gilded oasis
18 * 0.3
spice spire
5.4
young briar
❤️
gilded oasis
also there are packs out there or do you enjoy making your own . you can also modify existing packs
spice spire
That one is in the command
young briar
I like making my own, i read bars much better than icons and i cant find one that suits me
gilded oasis
ok have fun then!
gilded oasis
I think you might be able to convert them from icon to bar. You can also explore some and just take the way it works if you like what one is doing and dont want to recreate the wheel
gilded oasis
I think <@240643985587044354> has a pretty sick bar weak aura set
bar city
spice spire
True
desert inlet
young briar
thats essentially what i did
gilded oasis
I know you used to have bars marking things. Sorry homie <a:smoge:88312492071912...
theres a lot of bars still but some icons looks like
you were only half wrong
gilded oasis
Big W
young briar
Any WA gurus about?
spice spire
@slate crown
young briar
https://discord.com/channels/172440238717665280/1206748456752910406
Made a post in the weakauras discord
young briar
(Unless it requires custom code)
this probably does
it works, but just to be able to publish it
balmy condor
https://discord.com/channels/172440238717665280/1206748456752910406
Made a post...
Yikes
young briar
oh no
young briar
ive been yikes'd
balmy condor
Cause it’s hooking into the frames of the bar
It doesn’t really give a shit what’s in the slot
young briar
Can i make it give a shit?
balmy condor
I would assume not
Think of a grid or a chess board
Chess board you got like e4
That’s a space on the board
You decide to put garrote, or a bishop, onto e4
But weakauras doesn’t know that there’s a bishop on e4
It’s attaching the glow to the actual space
Not whatever is inside that space
shy pecan
Yeah, Whispyr's correct on that
balmy condor
If there’s code that could read it it would be insanely jank I would think
young briar
Basically makes garrote and rupture glow for the pandemic windows, Shiv to glow before expiration, and Thistle Leaf Tea to glow when theres 6 secs left on kingsbane
balmy condor
Like if there’s a way to read the value of an action bar slot, you could set up a hashmap, read the abilities out, then assign the glow back to the corresponding frame that you saved off
The problem is I’d be pretty surprised if the things needed to do that are accessible
shy pecan
I'm guessing there is
balmy condor
And if someone has an action bar addon?
Forget it
Lmao
That would be a frame from an addon then
young briar
The problem is I’d be pretty surprised if the things needed to do that are acces...
Tbh id assume not, just thinking about it, why is there so many Class WA packages going about like, Naowh and them lot
balmy condor
Like yours is elvui bar6 button4
If I don’t have elvui, it would need to read a whole different set of bars
If I had bartender, it would need another whole different set
young briar
Yeah exactly, so my thought was in the "custom options" section, to just have a button to click with "Assign" next to it and then just click the frame for each spell
but im assuming thatd be impossible
shy pecan
You could... Is it ideal? Eh...
young briar
For example in the M+ Automark weak aura they got all this shit
shy pecan
Yeah, definitely more of a @slate crown question, but pretty sure it's not going to work as you want it to
balmy condor
Yeah but that’s just reading out the party frames
young briar
Yeah, definitely more of a <@228712200385200130> question, but pretty sure it's ...
fair enough, worth a shot Eh
young briar
Yeah but that’s just reading out the party frames
true, you are right, my wishful thinking was to do the same but for frame assignments, oh well. Thanks for your input Whispyr!
shy pecan
Yeah, the automark is different because it's going over the nameplates and unitframes and those are universal. This one you'd have to input like ElvUI or BT or the general Blizz one
for a casual user, they might not be smarter enought to what the specific name of the bar + keybinding would be. And if they change it...
balmy condor
It’s an interesting problem
shy pecan
It does exist because the Blizz UI can do it with procs and stuff
young briar
Can you see the utility the WA brings tho, to allow you to not have to think about timings, just pay attention to glows
balmy condor
It does exist because the Blizz UI can do it with procs and stuff
Yeah but they can do it because they know where abilities are placed because it’s storing keybinds
shy pecan
Yep
balmy condor
I can’t think of an addon that actually stores info
They all just hook into the frames themselves
Kind of insane that the game even lets you get close to it though
Like think about how crazy it is that we’re even entertaining the idea
Wow addons kinda dummy powerful
young briar
just imagine doing content without addons
balmy condor
Honestly the personal resource bar thing they added ain’t bad
Dot specs still kinda fucked with debuff tracking
But aside from that
It’s kinda not terrible
royal lantern
just imagine doing content without addons
99% of it is no Problem
its really just mostly dot based specs + some bosses in mythic raids that need them
slate crown
I just sat down am I still needed
slate crown
Can you see the utility the WA brings tho, to allow you to not have to think abo...
I have to be honest with you, this isn't "utility" in my book.
This trains you to play wack-a-mole
and not to anticipate and learn what to press with the class and know what's coming up and how to dynamically react
It's one of the main reasons I also hate hekili
That said, I see your post over there, most of what I would say Whispyr and raincoat dog has already covered, I think I've looked into this for something else (pulling action info from frames) for dynamically placing a Keybind text onto an icon
and found it was not possible, but let me review what I looked at before
slate crown
Yeah exactly, so my thought was in the "custom options" section, to just have a ...
Custom options can have a string input field, and presumably you can re-create this same field using custom condition code and region data to create an external glow frame. That's the starting point, but I'd need to dig into available functions WeakAuras provides to do this. If there is a simple region function that literally takes the frame name as input, you could pull the custom options config value into this and have it work. But, custom options could not have a selector button
shy pecan
That said, I see your post over there, most of what I would say Whispyr and rain...
I like how you just refer to me as raincoat dog now
slate crown
I'll try to be concise and keep each point short:
- You can instruct people to go and find their frames and enter it into the condition fields, which allows them to use the "Choose" button. I would advise against this because it is a maintenance nightmare (what if they move their buttons around because they're practicing different keybindings? and other problems).
- You can use a string in Custom Options if a function exists to glow external element in region data, I'd need to dive into available functions for that. This, however, has the problem of requiring people know how to find their frames, and expecting (or worse, instructing) them to use
/framestackto do so is all sorts of error prone. - There could be more you do by finding the right frame automatically but this assumes a ton of knowledge of other addon frame names (assuming they even name them) and is likely to be frowned down upon by the weakauras team. I won't add a conclusive answer on the WA discord because this is their terriority, they're likely to give you similar pushback.
young briar
and not to anticipate and learn what to press with the class and know what's com...
Ive been playing Assa since S1 of DF, stopped playing for s3 and im jsut coming back, and im not terrible at it, just making things easier for me basically
But i see your point
i only use it for pandemic windows
slate crown
Yeah, my point is mostly about distribution for public use
if it works for you because you know the ins-and-outs, then that's great
young briar
Right in that instance yes very fair point
shy pecan
i only use it for pandemic windows
My suggestion: make those bars glow when in pandemic windows if you want to make available for public consumption
slate crown
I like how you just refer to me as raincoat dog now
What can I say you got a cutie in a raincoat in ur pfp am I going to pass up that opportunity?
shy pecan
young briar
My suggestion: make those bars glow when in pandemic windows if you want to make...
i like this idea
slate crown
Yeah making the weakauras themselves glow is very standard and much, much easier to manage and maintain, far safer
Also like, I've made a pack as well and the thought of going into every. Single. Aura. and specifying a frame name in addition to all the other settings would be maddening
young briar
Exactly why i proposed the question 😄
slate crown
Just a ton to maintain and keep updated.
If there were a way to automatically detect which frames are which, then perhaps that would be something you could do, but then you've got decently complicated code in every aura which is bad for maintenance, and you should rather have a single, central aura which manages all the external glows at once so the code is centralized. This, again, makes that singular aura monstrously more complicated (because it now needs visibility on the status of all the other auras) for the tradeoff of making the individual ones more reasonable.
I've got more I can say but I'll cease the rant here.
gilded oasis
yeah careful if you say more than 5 words you get memed on
(I almost died to a spiteful to type that)
slate crown
It's ok, now I get to learn about external glow action functions for my own amusement as a result of this.
shy pecan
(I almost died to a spiteful to type that)
Less typing, more killing things
jaunty warren
and found it was not possible, but let me review what I looked at before
For me this would be huge…I need the keybind as reminder from time to time…so I have a few hacks but having WA icons pull defined keybinds would be awesome
slate crown
I can see it being possible to grab it, but it would be very complicated.
Also, what if you have the same button bound twice? Now the code is confused as to which to show.
runic hinge
(I almost died to a spiteful to type that)
Krill issue
oak tangle
Obviously this all hinges on you looking at your action bars for procs / pandemic
But why are just regular weakuras that track those abilities not just as useful.
I’d make the argument it’s far better to have your brain associate an ability to a button, than have to read the button number and press it
A lot of people no longer even have their action bars showing
I’m a lover of progress bars, because you have a way of easily seeing / predicting when you should do something. For instance in your example of tea and shivs, I have a progress bar show up for kb, basically like the one Le made but my own. Purple tick means shiv, white tick means vanish and green tick means tea
Just from practice, I know my vanish is on the f key, shiv is on q and tea is on x
woeful meteor
oak sky
:halondrus:
halcyon hamlet
Sin went from 3600 A- tier to now higher than outlaw?
runic hinge
Sin best rogue spec confirmed
balmy condor
mere mortals cannot begin to comprehend the power of color coded tier lists
rotund oak
Sin best rogue spec confirmed
sin is a beautiful specc but the best?kinda doubt
halcyon hamlet
I mean its from subcreation
halcyon hamlet
was subcreation never realiable at all?
balmy condor
the rule is:
if it's a tier list, it's not fucking relevant
runic hinge
sin is a beautiful specc but the best?kinda doubt
Not sure you can read but page is right there
midnight mist
balmy condor
no one who knows anything has ever made a tier list
tier lists are for clicks
not for useful statistics
halcyon hamlet
i thought subcreation compiles data?
earnest remnant
no one who knows anything has ever made a tier list
ill make a tierlist
a Monster Energy Tierlist that is
and if your favorite isnt Aussie lemonade, then you are just objectively wrong
orchid pewter
All in piss tier, and water S tier
balmy condor
i thought subcreation compiles data?
they all compile data, it's just that "compiling data" means just lumping everything together, removing all the stuff that actually matters, and then vomiting it out into something digestible like a tier list
earnest remnant
All in piss tier, and water S tier
there is water in them in so making them S tier, gotcha
midnight mist
The only real tier list is the apm tier list
gilded dune
It’s a tier list for this week’s affixes btw…
orchid pewter
there is water in them in so making them S tier, gotcha
balmy condor
subcreations tier list in the past just looked at like the top 500 keys run, averaged the score, and then spit that out into the tier list
which like, okay
but then you had absolute clown shit happening
midnight mist
It’s a tier list for this week’s affixes btw…
Proof that sin doesn't need restealth
balmy condor
like a spec that cleared a key 2 levels higher was lower
cause the average was lower
and 4 io points being the difference between A and D tier
cause that makes sense
earnest remnant
well 4 can be quite big
earnest remnant
id even say 4 is quite large
rotund oak
Accurate Tier list
earnest remnant
true and real
royal lantern
id even say 4 is quite large
you are a 5
gilded dune
Proof that sin doesn't need restealth
Sin just needs spell reflect from warrior kit, then it won’t need poisons
balmy condor
no matter how you flip it, tier lists end up just being overly simplified metrics that remove all nuance from what's actually causing those specs to be higher or lower
might as well just press shuffle on it
royal lantern
Sin just needs spell reflect from warrior kit, then it won’t need poisons
reflecting stupid nerfs back at blizzard
smart
orchid pewter
Only good thing about tier lists is the conversation happening while its being created
halcyon hamlet
might as well just press shuffle on it
well, time to play survival, see you on hunter discord bois
balmy condor
I have to do trinket tier lists for wowhead every patch
and I hate it
same with bis lists
can't stand it
it's not useful
but I have to, because that's what people click on
balmy condor
fuck no
gilded dune
reflecting stupid nerfs back at blizzard
They nerf you and buff spriest, the only reason they thought you needed a nerf in first place 💀
balmy condor
I don't even care about the bis lists enough most of the time
I just slap the first piece I find at max ilvl into the slot
quiet oar
@vestal wren Send your T-List
royal lantern
well, time to play survival, see you on hunter discord bois
survival is the chad spec anyway
balmy condor
having "bis" and "best in slot" means you show up higher on a google search, they're keywords that people search for
quiet oar
survival is the chad spec anyway
balmy condor
tier lists show up
they're easy to look at
people eat it up
they come back to the page
more clicks = more ads = more money
now everyone else goes "oh fuck, more money"
earnest remnant
do u really go on ptr and test each trinket on m+ and raids n stuff?
put them all into a bowl, shake it and pick a few of em
balmy condor
and they add tier lists and bis lists into everything
so now it's cluttered
so now they have to flood it with more bis and more tier list and more buzzwords
rotund oak
put them all into a bowl, shake it and pick a few of em
man i dont wanna know how those tier lists are done anymore.Ill do everything like i sued when i was young,test them myself
balmy condor
and it's just a vicious cycle of everyone trying to one up everyone else for more clicks
gilded dune
Mage alt actually ducks with my head, outlaw so simple compared to even fire
royal lantern
now everyone else goes "oh fuck, more money"
wanna start talking about capitalism :3
balmy condor
wanna start talking about capitalism :3
yeh I mean this is what we get for having a "free" internet
it's either user data, or ads
that's the payment
and no matter which it is
you clicking on a webpage means it's revenue
it's just a consequence of how the internet works
and then you get like wowmeta and noxxic and shit
actual AI generated garbage pages
quiet oar
balmy condor
that serve only to farm clueless people
they try their best to just flood their pages with SEO terms
and then pray that some poor fool clicks on their nonsense, sees shiny colors
and comes back over and over
royal lantern
actual AI generated garbage pages
~50% of search results on the internet are AI generated allready btw 🙂
🙂
🙂
balmy condor
ya
quiet oar
~50% of search results on the internet are AI generated allready btw 🙂
AI Deez
balmy condor
especially gaming news is so giga AI generated
it was an actual issue in the d4 wowhead news team
gilded dune
You know that tier list is wrong because a ret is over 3.9k and they say A tier not S, who in the Chrysler snorting lines off a gorillas ass came up with this
balmy condor
they started seeing d4 news posts from other pages
that just ripped the wording from their posts
cause it was AI generated
just reposting the same shit lmao
dystopian af
royal lantern
cant wait until wowhead replaces the guidewriter Whispyr with Waispyr
balmy condor
my job is fairly safe
wowhead/icyveins/method are respectable enough pages to hire actual experts
gilded dune
As in nobody else wants to step up to the plate?
balmy condor
nah
just in terms of not being AI replaced
if another person steps up and tries to take the slot then that's fine
if they educate better than I do, they should have the job
but the guides themselves are written by experts, and you can't AI generate an expert
at least not any time soon
plagiarizing news posts is one thing, but synthesizing information in a digestable manner
is very difficult
gilded dune
Nah, is small scale. Complex AI will never work the way we sci-fi it up.
royal lantern
its more like
we dont even have AI
its just a tech bro term that became mainstream for it
its not a self learning Programm or something like that, its litearlly just a slightly more advanced algorithm that puts things togheter
(by stealing them)
like, chat gpt doesnt know what it answers to somebody, its just a algorithm that "learned" "if somebody writes that sequence of words, i write this sequence"
runic hinge
like, chat gpt doesnt know what it answers to somebody, its just a algorithm tha...
Same here tbh
vestal wren
<@194804407706189824> Send your T-List
balmy condor
based
icy acorn
especially gaming news is so giga AI generated
worst is when you look for something game related and encounter one of many sites that look exactly the same with way too much text and still not getting an answer off of that
better to just go to reddit or whatever
woven frost
The twist is Whispyr has been an AI bot for years. He’s fooled us all.
woven frost
Going to have to start communicating in CAPTCHAs just to hide from the bots
balmy condor
spaghetti
icy acorn
we got him
runic terrace
So we downed Smolderon yesterday and are now progressing TSwift. It looks like I will have to ST the fight. How good is Assa compared with Sub when only considering single target damage?
Most top players in logs are playing Sub, but I'm not sure about pure ST
balmy condor
if you're getting pi, around the same
if you aren't, slightly worse
cds line up nicely though
runic terrace
Thanks @balmy condor !
balmy condor
np
oak tangle
and if your favorite isnt Aussie lemonade, then you are just objectively wrong
aussie lemonade?
oak tangle
you should do a tier list of all the tier lists
where you rank their innacuracies
and they are all in D tier
balmy condor
I don't think I'm physically able to without having a brain hemorrhage and bleeding out
oak tangle
i wanna know what this aussie lemonade is though, cause like, we don't have that
this one?
oak tangle
they don't sell that shit here
oak tangle
lol, i looked it up
icy acorn
I don't think I'm physically able to without having a brain hemorrhage and bleed...
whats the difference to some questions youre being asked?
earnest remnant
balmy condor
whats the difference to some questions youre being asked?
the idea that I'm helping a real human that doesn't know any better helps me cope
icy acorn
thats a hard cope indeed
balmy condor
having to sift through actual shit and point out every inconsistency
would break my mental
oak tangle
what do you want the sin / sub hero tree theme to be
balmy condor
burst
balmy condor
sure
I don't wanna try and predict whatever it is past like high-level stuff
cause like the ones we've seen have been so wildly different I feel
vestal wren
shadow poisons
surrender 2.0, its rogues turn
oak tangle
ye, fair. i'd imagine something along the lines of a burst cd / buff
probs night stalker or someshit back
plain moon
shadow vials spec, new support rogue build
balmy condor
frostfire with the stack stuff is giga diffy to like the warrior stuff
oak tangle
now that i said it, they'll probably call the hero tree 'nightstalker'
vestal wren
som of the hero talents seemed fairly ... boring
royal lantern
som of the hero talents seemed fairly ... boring
all the trees they showed us yet can be summed up with:
1, just giga generic dmg amps stuff where you use smth on cd
vestal wren
i like it, analytical approach 
royal lantern
2, actual dogshit with the paladin/priest tree
and frostfire beeing the only tree that looks somewhat decent
royal lantern
I don't think I'm physically able to without having a brain hemorrhage and bleed...
hemo is sooooo 2014, its brain exsanguinate now
or brain sanguine blades for the 2024 zoomer
upbeat needle
Sin players literally play the game to be afk after every builder
love pressing mutilate and waiting 20 seconds to press another button
royal lantern
assa has the same apm as sub
58
its a 1sec gcd spec
60is litearlly the hardcap possible
vestal wren
and frostfire beeing the only tree that looks somewhat decent
tbh what i hear is, the probability to see bigger changes to the system to make it more appealing
royal lantern
tbh what i hear is, the probability to see bigger changes to the system to make ...
my biggest fear honestly is that they start to ignore the "normal" class/spec trees
upbeat needle
then don't play it lmao
i cant play it when im afk after every button !!!!
vestal wren
assa has the same apm as sub
isn't it more like 55 vs. 60
balmy condor
i cant play it when im afk after every button !!!!
bro who fucking cares, go back to outlaw so you can smash your face into your keyboard 300 times a second
ain't nobody ask for your opinion
vestal wren
my biggest fear honestly is that they start to ignore the "normal" class/spec tr...
i mentiond this on wowhead in the wishlist. I think the baseline tree needs to be good to make the hero talents work well
upbeat needle
bro who fucking cares, go back to outlaw so you can smash your face into your ke...
stop
im actually a sin enjoyer.
royal lantern
isn't it more like 55 vs. 60
idk, lets not act as if thats any difference tbh, both can high and low roll on energy stuff and its sometimes more/less, so it doesnt make any difference
vestal wren
trench, its all fine. You can dislike assassination. But try to keep the vibe positive
royal lantern
@midnight mist le french, stop baiting