assassination

[woven frost]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-tune-fine-tuning-fine-tuned-copium-walter-white-gif-4796770362564082802

[subtle tundra]

coped too much in sl, no more copium nowadays

[spice spire]

Real

[keen spruce]

blizz don't give af about m+

although now that HoF is closed and MDI starting

they probably buff fire mage next week

[subtle tundra]

the only m+ buff for assa i remember was fok 30% dmg increase

and fok was...2-3% overall...

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[sour rose]

does the ambush from blindside apply spatter?

[fleet pagoda]

yah

[uneven bronze]

Does everyone have to remove their thorns on tindral at the same time to spawn the treants or is it done in batches?

[rotund oak]

what acceerated opener do u boys use on laro?garote=>snd into DM=>shiv=>kb=>garrote=>rupture?

[quiet oar]

We did it on second roots in P1

Where we used freedoms and Cloak and stuff

[uneven bronze]

all of you at the same time?

[quiet oar]

Ye

[uneven bronze]

damn it hurts like freakin hell

[quiet oar]

Can skill Blackjack

and Aoe blind

to reduce their dmg

But that dmg shouldnt be a problem

[uneven bronze]

yeah we're still early in prog, so its probably that until we get it right. One of the hardest parts in the fight or nah?

[plain moon]

I wouldn’t say it’s one of the “hardest parts” but you get there so early it will prob be a part you wipe to a lot while people get the hang of dodging beams

Like I think there’s parts later that are objectively harder but by the time you get there everybody knows how to do beams and roots by then so you won’t wipe to it too much

[rotund oak]

!opener

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gaunt sigil]

I do normal opener on larodar and just hold slightly

The only fights I do accelerated opener on personally are nymue and Tswift

[keen spruce]

you don't need accelerated for nymue

cuz you're holding your KB for add anyways

Larodar you do gar-rup-bush-snd-DM

same with swifty

[plain moon]

^what shmeeps said

although idk how i feel about calling it "bush"

[gaunt sigil]

I never KBd add lol

I always use accelerated opener and send CDs again before add

You have enough time for it to tick fully

Maybe I am supposed to but I never did

We never had add issues so I assumed it was fine

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-the-bush-gif-21380725

[plain moon]

I think add spawns at 1:17 specifically

so i guess you CAN do that, but seems weird

but you would have to do some sort of giga accelerated opener

skip rup and ambush in the opener i guess if u wanted to do that

[gaunt sigil]

Idk if I will do accelerated on reclear after fyrakk, I just know I was doing it for prog

I honestly don’t remember exact reasoning

On why I did it

[plain moon]

its not like holding KB for add feels good anyways, i'd bet most are like that just doing whatever were used to on it

at least in my guild kill times change up on that boss so much that it would also be hard to be sure you'll get an extra cast or not if ur not holding

[rain mortar]

does aoe blind still work on tindral adds?

[gaunt sigil]

Unless something changed recently, yes

[balmy condor]

yah

aoe blind/blackjack on the trees

doesn't work on roots

[balmy condor]

[gaunt sigil]

I did ok still tho

Ok nvm

It was only an 86

With PI

[blazing jewel]

Come come it’s time for your meds

Make the voices go away

[balmy condor]

bro ghost gaming is dying

unlucky

my content

[blazing jewel]

Is dead*

[gaunt sigil]

^

[blazing jewel]

The clip of blazon flying into all the tindral orbs at full speed was one of the best clips this tier

His monitor lit up his face orange

[gaunt sigil]

I shoulda clipped when I flew into not one but two beams starting first intermission

[shy pecan]

RIP in pepperinos

[plain moon]

Where clip?

[blazing jewel]

Secret

( idk )

[plain moon]

Fair lol

Is the SS of him offering ppl money to stay in his guild real?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[plain moon]

That’s crazy

Shows he cares a lot at least

[spice spire]

Real

[shy pecan]

[runic hinge]

Is this dude a bad person or something? Idk the lore

[balmy condor]

He’s a giga dent brain who guild leads a mediocre CE guild but has a god complex as if he’s the savior to lead them all to hall of fame, regardless of if that means overtiming for a week straight or being ridiculously cutthroat about anything roster related

[dark token]

Most of his audience watches to make fun of him

[balmy condor]

And he streams the whole thing but plays like shit and his heart rate monitor never drops below like 125

So it’s pretty funny

[runic hinge]

My heart rate only ever goes up when we’re close to the last boss kill. Maybe he should get his health checked

[spice spire]

190 near kill

Someone has the sticker

Who was it

[woeful meteor]

oxi, guy or skip

if not all 3

[spice spire]

I wanna say remy actually

But ur probably right

[woeful meteor]

his health improved tho didnt even hit 170 in Tindral

[spice spire]

Respect that

Unironically

[plain moon]

Late CE level got to be the craziest raid bracket. You got some people who are way overly invested and make it their whole life, meanwhile some in this bracket cba to even read class/boss guides

[woeful meteor]

https://www.twitch.tv/blas0n/clip/TubularSuperNightingaleHassanChop-L8y-nb4hu8lVWYRW?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

probably his most iconic moment

[plain moon]

that actually made me lol

[woeful meteor]

just rewatched some clips kinda forgot this wasn't even the kill

[keen spruce]

holy

[shy pecan]

I think it was the AMA about raid leading he tried to do that got to me

[feral mason]

I would instantly quit with a bum like this as my RL

[thorn fjord]

lol why tho it’s funny

[rotund oak]

thx,ill send @blazing jewel nudes

[blazing jewel]

what

[rotund oak]

nothing baby

😅

[runic hinge]

I didn’t understand a word he said

[woeful meteor]

But that's how you raid lead

[spice spire]

@blazing jewel nend sudes

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

@blazing jewel

[woeful meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[uneven summit]

anyone using a WA for kingsbane timings/performance?

that they can recommend

[rotund oak]

the first on wago

[slate crown]

!wa First on wago (Notter’s) for tracking output, second on wago (LE) for timings. LE also in profile here

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thin portal]

which one is the icon timers

[balmy condor]

would be LE's

[thin portal]

k

ooo

LE pack is pretty cool

[royal lantern]

something Something self Advertisement

[runic hinge]

Reported for self promotion

[uneven summit]

gotcha, thanks

[uneven summit]

opportunities were spotted

[rotund oak]

mr whispyr boss sir

the accelerated opener is gar=>rupt=>ambush=>snd=>DM etc right?

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

yas

[cedar yew]

Do any of you pro sinners macro stuff together?

[midnight atlas]

dance + kingsbane

with dance before kingsbane in the macro

[cedar yew]

Yea I have that one already. Can you put deathmark in there aswell? Or is that a terrible idea/not possible?

[quiet oar]

Is deathmark offgcd

But i dont think its a good idea

Have a sepereate binding for it

[oak tangle]

I have vanish and garrotte bound, and before people get Madge at it, if you don’t wanna garrotte make sure you vanish inside a gcd

[limber lion]

No.

[limber lion]

No.

[limber lion]

But... why???

You have a separate bind for Garrote anyways, right?

[balmy condor]

dance+kingsbane is perfectly fine

but

vanish gar?

that's wild

[raven flower]

hidden tech

hidden for a reason

[quiet oar]

That sounds so cursed

ngl

[cedar yew]

Dammit

I want a 1 button rotation

[limber lion]

Just sounds completely unnecessary

[balmy condor]

why are you playing wow

it's not even like

wrong spec

or wrong class

it's just entirely the wrong game

[cedar yew]

For the friendships

[balmy condor]

[cedar yew]

The true endgame reward

Isn't that why we all play?

[balmy condor]

..n...no?

[raven flower]

thought I was in the wrong discord for a second

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

most people play for the raid/m+ content cause it's challenging and the combat is engaging

but I guess I've now met someone who plays for the opposite of that

goes to show you how different humans are idk

[cedar yew]

Nah I'm just lazy 😂

[balmy condor]

most complicated ret paladin rotation

[cedar yew]

If I can macro stuff in I will. Saves me energy, being a dad

[midnight atlas]

Classic era mage raiding is for you

You already picked the most chill rogue spec so if you want to pool energy irl i dont have a better answer

[balmy condor]

I mean in theory you could macro everything into one cast sequence that just goes mut shiv garrote rupture mut ambush envenom deathmark kingsbane

and then make a keyboard macro on a numpad key or something

that then spams that key every second

and you just toggle it on

and then right click

you CAN do that

the question is are you okay with only doing 10% of your damage

[midnight atlas]

Until boss moves out of melee range for 2 ms and your macro is gone

[balmy condor]

well it would just skip and go to the next one smile

[raven flower]

isn't there an option that keeps pressing an ability as long as you hold the key button down? just plop some weight on there and enjoy your dad beer (tm)

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

there's trigger on key press or key release

but not on key hold

[midnight atlas]

Or raise your kid to do your rotation for you

[raven flower]

or am I wrong

[balmy condor]

oh wow

that must be new

[midnight atlas]

Thats for casters

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

but that'll work

[misty holly]

I played Everquest as a rogue for years when the rotation was, I shit you not, press backstab once every 6 seconds. That's it. I loved that game, loved the community I played with every day. An MMO doesn't have to be complex to be fun.

[royal lantern]

df launch

since evoker came out with their charge spells

[balmy condor]

okay?

[midnight atlas]

Last time i tested press and hold casting didnt work for rogue abilities

[balmy condor]

idk what to do with this information

but thank you

[misty holly]

Me and Holy are kindred spirits.

[royal lantern]

during that time, that was also peak mmo combat

we are not in 2004 anymore

[balmy condor]

then play everquest

we're not talking about everquest

what

my whole point was that if that's the gameplay you want, you should play a different game

and then I get hit with the "a different game has gameplay like that"

yeah no shit

[royal lantern]

why is wow not a turnbased rpg

[balmy condor]

did you know diablo 3 has 1 button rotations

[midnight atlas]

And its not like rotations are hard to do in this game, you just need to understand how a spec deals its dmg and have comfortable binds. Then you can do any rotation for hours

[rotund oak]

it does yes d3 has that

can confirm

[oak tangle]

Is a relic from the bygone ages where it was best practice to do that, but I do agree unnecessary

[balmy condor]

the bygone ages of the two expansions between legion and dragonflight

[oak tangle]

Yup, I learnt to play in BFA so it’s all I knew

[balmy condor]

makes sense

[drifting cloud]

wonder what xpac will I learn to play in

[clever sapphire]

unless he plays classic

and mains a ranged like frost mage

[quiet oar]

Just be an Aug in Keys

Press 1 button until you cant

then press the 2nd button

till you can press button 1

(thats how an aug described it to me)

[arctic socket]

Sure he wasn’t bm?

[clever sapphire]

maybe a ret pala

[spice spire]

Real

[quiet oar]

BM have 3 buttons

Kill command, Barbed shot and cobra shot

[quiet oar]

And send you Breath of Eons at any time, except when CDs are running on your DPS

I saw some Augs pressing Breath right after KB expired

[spice spire]

They’re real for that

[oak tangle]

Checks out, movement keys not one of them

[spice surge]

Aug in keys is payphone
Aug in raids is plugging in your logs into the augvoker website to get an mrt note on who to buff and then mald at the fact that your ranged is 40 yards from the boss so you cant really buff ranged and melee at the same time because of your tiny range fucking it all up

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/stable-ronaldo-pay-phone-hahahaha-lol-gif-20871661

[quiet oar]

I love the halondurs meme with that

Because it was fucking real

[spice spire]

Same with echoes of nelth

As melee

[quiet oar]

True

Except you are lucky as me

[spice surge]

During fyrakk one of our augs said "please kill this boss so i can delete this cursed fucking character"

[quiet oar]

And get almost every big explosion

[spice surge]

Then once we killed it the entire guild spammed his mailbox with bananas

So he couldnt delete

[spice spire]

Yeah but you just go to the exact same spot every time

0 thoughts head empty

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

Des true

But i really like the tindral melee mechanics

The flying is a cool idea

[quiet oar]

I mean blizz could delete aug aswell

Like so much negativity, or its the bubble im in

[spice surge]

ye the flying on tindral is actually surprisingly cool

[quiet oar]

But even Aug players dont want to play aug

[spice surge]

Cant believe they managed to make the gimmick dragonflying boss one of the best bosses

[quiet oar]

Ye

Most of the times gimmicks are a bit

meh

[spice surge]

Very out of character for blizz, but well take it

[quiet oar]

Like fatescribe

was meh

Kealthas in Nathria

[oak tangle]

I mean was Taragrue not liked? That was kinda expansion gimmick

[quiet oar]

Tarragrue

[spice spire]

Hated the grue

Spent more time rerolling powers than killing boss

[quiet oar]

Yes

I loved Elisande

Was also Gimmick fight

But cool gimmick

[rotund oak]

Carapace of Nzoth

me liked

alot

[spice surge]

Aint no way

[rotund oak]

why 😦

i liked that u slapped the thing,then went to the other room and then slapped it again

[spice surge]

Guess im biased because i played bm hunter

[quiet oar]

Is that the Football thingy

[spice surge]

And its like the worst fight ive ever done

[rotund oak]

no,carapace was before nzoth

football was azshara torture

[quiet oar]

Have you don Spoils in Siege of Orgrimmar

[spice spire]

Okay boomer (I don’t remember this fight)

[spice surge]

Ye but that was mostly aoe pad

[quiet oar]

What was the goblin

Blackfuse?

[rotund oak]

yup

[spice surge]

Carapace consisted of me needing to keybind all of my pet movement stuff

[quiet oar]

WHere someone had to run the treadmill

[rotund oak]

yeah

[quiet oar]

and kill a weapon

[rotund oak]

and the pipes

[quiet oar]

that was cool too

[rotund oak]

for the bombs

i liked carapace more

[spice surge]

Blackfuse is a banger boss

[quiet oar]

Star augur

In Nighthold

[spice spire]

The best fight was actually lei shen in current content

[quiet oar]

Star Augur was so nice

[spice surge]

Imagine if backhand p2 wasnt mid

[quiet oar]

Ok

BRF

[spice surge]

P1 and p3 backhand is crisp

[quiet oar]

Had so many cool fights

ngl

Like that is prob one of the unqiue fights

raids*

[spice surge]

P1 of sark this expansion is probably among my favourites too ngl

A shame the rest of the fight wasnt as good

[quiet oar]

Ye P1 was really intense

P2 was payphone

and P3 was just hit boss

[royal lantern]

i really really liked painsmith tbh

[rotund oak]

i also liked the deaf dragon

in cata

how was she called

sinessa or something

it was like 1st boss on CN but harder

[quiet oar]

@spice spire But you call me a boomer

[spice spire]

You are

I knew sap was a boomer

[quiet oar]

If im a boomer+

You are ancient

[spice spire]

Stay mad

[quiet oar]

Im 26

Still zoomin

(With knee and back pain)

[spice spire]

Already migrated to sin from outlaw

Checkmate pal

[quiet oar]

So Knee and Back pain

is a sin trait

[spice spire]

Ye

[viscid flare]

Damn im fitting right in then

[spice spire]

Amen

[quiet oar]

But

It got better

Or is wearing a knee compression cheating

and this still makes you a sin

[spice spire]

Correct

[raven flower]

smh can't even walk pain free without addons

[quiet oar]

Damn Retail livers

cant live without weakauras

[royal lantern]

yo wtf

i dont have that

[subtle kiln]

so your nervous system is fucked, even worse

one step closer to Assa > BM hunter

[royal lantern]

nah, im just Insomniac

[rotund oak]

but hunter discord says bm hunter is hard

[lament shoal]

Hello guys, im a new player and i need some help with my PVP gear.. is there any site/ guide/ for stats or items i should buy with my Honor?

[thorn fjord]

#pvp

[royal lantern]

thats why you never take any "X spec is hard!!1111!!!" serious

its wow

they all are made to be intuitive to play and somewhat more complicated to minmax

[quiet oar]

wdym

Rogue hardest class

by far

[royal lantern]

and litearlly every single "what spec is hard/easy????" turns into "thing I play is hard, the others are easy"

cus people need to stroke their ego or smth like that

[quiet oar]

I mean

I dont know about Rogue being intuitive

[royal lantern]

why not, on a base level they are

assa: put bleeds up and then dump cp into envenom

sub: do dmg during shadowdance by using bigger hits

outlaw: press glowly buttons

[quiet oar]

Yeah ok base level

While there are no glowy buttons

If Bte would glow in stealth

would probably be very intuitive

[royal lantern]

then you spam sinester instead

[quiet oar]

I mean yeah on a base level is everything easy

[uneven summit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorn fjord]

QQ is raid bots crazy or is there an actual difference between the two crafted rings?

One is showing .4% upgrade and the other .2% same stats

[clever sapphire]

sim it again

[thorn fjord]

Yeah just did and now they’re both .2

Weird

[clever sapphire]

difference probably so smol that each sim gonna give another result

[thorn fjord]

Flavor pocket inc tho

[agile geode]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[woeful meteor]

it's just variance, but ye never craft ring-bound first, flavour pocket is nice and being able to put something like silken lining on titanic if needed as well

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I already had a titanic from last tier

Just going to upgrade that

[woeful meteor]

think I have 3 insights cause I always forget to recraft upgrade

[green apex]

If I go double on-use (WItherbark, Ashes) how blursed am I?

[spice spire]

Very cursed

[green apex]

I've got a M pips that I could use over the H ashes anyway, just wondering if the Sims just blast the Ashes on CD or if it would line up w/ my 2nd KB

[woeful meteor]

you would line it with second KB, but without DM KB doesn't deal much dmg so double on use kinda sucks

[green apex]

Thanks all.

[grim tree]

Id viable play assa in raid or sub is better?

[thorn fjord]

It’s more than viable

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn fjord]

Follow your dreams

[vestal wren]

you overthink it, if you want to play assassination go for it

outlaw is overall the most played spec in raiding and m+

subtlety is the most played in mythic raiding

[grim tree]

I'm going to start clearing mythical but I want to play more so that sub will I get fewer numbers than others?

[bright turret]

if you are just starting mythic it really isn't going to matter what you play

[thorn fjord]

Also boils down to your proficiency with the spec

[bright turret]

sub is bis, but sin/outlaw are still strong

[thorn fjord]

If you can play sin better play it… you won’t be sandbagging

Sin has execute fwiw

🤷‍♂️

[keen spruce]

did yall watch the most recent poddy c

they were talking about abilities feeling good to press and how it kind of started in BFA when blizz tried putting big button on GCD to make them more impactful

and max said

"yeah like vendetta they put on GCD and it felt bad but they turned it into deathmark, this upfront hitting ability"

[vestal wren]

lol

i only got one clip linked from it

when they discussed mdi

it seems most clipping or doing bosses out of order will be banned

[thorn fjord]

Clipping I get but boss order?

[vestal wren]

you could clip bosses on each other too

[runic hinge]

yeah that 14k damage do be hitting

[brazen zodiac]

sorry what does clipping mean fuu?

[vestal wren]

so i kinda get it

if you e.g. jump on a table

and the mobs don't find a way to reach you

and the game teleports them to you

[brazen zodiac]

oh i see.

ty. cx

[vestal wren]

i think thats a easy example to explain it

[brazen zodiac]

yeye

[thorn fjord]

Shadowland dungeons had some crazy clipping

[vestal wren]

basically any technique to make a mob teleport to a specific position

i did like the discussion tho

because max did end up saying, they should allow every exploit/etc

tho i asusme there is a problem with this, it is very hard to keep competitive integrity

we had in the past events like the great push, where bug abuse did lead to advantages that did decide between win and lose

[keen spruce]

the mdi talks were good

just that comment made me lol

[vestal wren]

so my idea would be

just like

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[vestal wren]

its just an example, maybe less technical

but just like we collect bugs on a central source on the tracker

maybe it would be beneficial to do the same for mythic+

so you had one central place to report and also look up stuff

and it would help with several things

blizz could say, anything on the tracker up to date X is fair play

this way, you would have "everything goes"

but also competitive integrity, bcause everybody has the same information

[gaunt sigil]

Any tips for an Assa rogue heading into Mythic Fyrakk?

[spice spire]

Do dam kill boss (no, I didn’t login this tier)

[novel arrow]

Does anyone know if we get a full Spark this week?

[modest glen]

any tips for affix this week? feel like groups never let me restleath cause of ghosts sadge

just energy starvation the whole mythic +

[spice spire]

Vanish and dance more

[modest glen]

gotta put on mah dancing shoes

[narrow eagle]

i need abit help here for some reason when i spread my bleed on opener i do less dps i c sim Dont spread bleed alot
is sim working fine ?

[shy pecan]

Sims are fine. The question is whether your opener is fine enough for the content you're doing.

(Unless you're talking about dslice, to which, you shouldn't be comparing your numbers to that)

[narrow eagle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tjVWU1D9u7jMEBgJM7BS2i

[shy pecan]

Okay, so the question is whether or not the opener is fine enough for the content you're doing

If things are dying by the time you start doing your opener, then that value from your sims won't matter

[silver escarp]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[narrow eagle]

i know but im testing on dummy 🙂

is [Zoldyck Recipe] count on sim is active all time ?

[shy pecan]

I mean, you didn't specify from the first question so...

And target dummy health is always at 100%

[wild birch]

!aug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:

Shadow Eviscerate Poisoned Edges Sudden Demise

More information

[dapper gorge]

is there any chanel for log reviews?

[spice spire]

Rawdog it I can thread

[dapper gorge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bA7c3VKmW2Jztd1L#fight=15&type=summary&source=11 not mine but a close friend and Im trying to help him

[nimble zinc]

Question for Raid cleave situations - like gnarlroot, tindral, council, etc. -- Is the only difference in talents that you take is Caustic splatter instead of Internal Bleeding? Do you take IC at all? And if you do what do you get rid of to pick it up?

Also I kinda wish they'd either REALLY buff poison bomb, or just get rid of it and give us the 2 points back.

[plain moon]

Correct, you can take IC on council of dreams is the one exception

[balmy condor]

Council you take ic instead of dashing, rest is just caustic

[nimble zinc]

thank you! 🙂

[balmy condor]

Problem with this is that it has to serve as a gateway to 3 keystones

Can’t make it a gateway to that much power and have it also be super strong on its own

Like doomblade into sepsis/bone spike

[nimble zinc]

true i guess 😐

yeah rip shadowlands abilities

[balmy condor]

If doomblade was worth even half as much as a normal talent we would never not be playing bone spike or sepsis

So it got slaughtered

And now it’s worth like barely a quarter

[clever sapphire]

bonespike, will always miss him

[nimble zinc]

sounds like unnecessary gatekeeping

why not just get rid of doomblade and make sepsis/bone spike one node closer?

[runic hinge]

Tuning

[balmy condor]

Cause then we would always play sepsis/bone spike

It would be a required point in all content

It’s just the kingsbane problem on a smaller scale

[nimble zinc]

[runic hinge]

I wouldn’t mind sbs coming back tbh

More dots ya know?

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane is like an 11-12% talent

If you make it 11-12% and also free to take

You always take it

Because you would be actually braindead not to

So then you either gotta nerf kingsbane into the ground

[nimble zinc]

God i hope they never do that

[balmy condor]

Or you leave it as is, which creates rigidity in the tree, for example like Deathmark and other 2 min cds

And then people bitch that the tree is so rigid

Or, you have to buffer kingsbane with talents that spread out the value

Poison bomb being one of those where it’s not a crazy strong talent by itself

But it has to dampen kingsbane being crazy

You could do the same steps with sepsis or bone spike

1. Nerf into the ground
2. Leave it and make it required
3. Dampen previous points

And we saw that happen over and over again

Exsanguinate

Was a crazy crazy talent

Very high in the tree

So we go to the 1,2,3

2 isn’t the design intent of exsang

3 would require a lot of points moving around, and the expansion was already releasing

Neither of those options work

So 1, and exsang got obliterated

[nimble zinc]

dang

[balmy condor]

45 second to 3 minute, 100% to 80%

[clever sapphire]

man i wish that assa had also a way of playing where its completly centered around dot management, and it would do better dmg on prolonged fights if your dots never drop. But kingsbane build would still exist if a more bursty option is needed (or for m+)

[nimble zinc]

Yeah i just think its dumb that Assassin isnt top dawg in raid rn

they were freaking designed for it

[runic hinge]

There was a good 3 weeks

[balmy condor]

One of the ideas floated around many years ago was a bringing back hemo as another bleed, making it increase bleed damage, but all bleeds applied to the target are a third the duration

Was originally designed as an exsang buff

[slate crown]

There was an idea in the general channel a bit ago. I would have liked to see a more sustained option where you nurture your dots overtime where their damage slowly increases (with safeguards in place to not turbo fuck your damage by downtime)

[balmy condor]

But it’s actually really hard to make that work without cancer gameplay

[clever sapphire]

ye i can imagine it being pretty hard to properly execute

[balmy condor]

Also idk what this is supposed to mean really but specs aren’t designed for any one type of content

[clever sapphire]

the thing that popped into my mind is S1, where if you played assa on council it was completly about dot management and your cooldowns were all secondary dmg

i enjoyed that a ton

[nimble zinc]

[clever sapphire]

they probably had a build like that in mind with the sudden demise side of the tree

[balmy condor]

Not really

Sudden demise side of the tree is encouraging multi dotting but just by the way sudden demise is designed it’s never going to be a corner stone of a build

[slate crown]

Like conceptually, lore-wise, I like the idea of assassination being damage that slowly builds up without the victim noticing at all, while they are distracted by other damage, and by the time they do realize because the damage has ramped so high, it's too late. Contrasting that with the upfront mega burst of KB+DM. This is kind of zoldyck I guess though.

[balmy condor]

Kb is that

[slate crown]

That's true

in a shorter window

I just meant over the course of like, multiple minute fights, not over the course of 14 seconds

[spice spire]

I will not make the joke.

[spice surge]

Restraint is a sign of maturity

[spice spire]

It ain’t here

[past forum]

yeah some people like to use restraints

not rly my thing tho

[thorn fjord]

Top trinket in the sim is the one the robot sends first right?

[slate crown]

https://imgur.com/xWmxxNJ

[thorn fjord]

That’s a weird looking skunk

And by top I meant top slot

[cedar yew]

Anyone able to have a look at my log from tonight and tell me why I'm shite?

I think I'm doing it correctly but I'm energy starved randomly and DPS is never consistent

[woeful meteor]

can you link it?

[cedar yew]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aWy1HcbMNVnmkG2B#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=30

[quiet oar]

I mean you dont have perma energy

[clever sapphire]

dear god those trinkets

[cedar yew]

I've only been playing sin for about 4 days.... Still farming 😅

[clever sapphire]

did you not press mydas once on hc gnarl

[waxen oyster]

outlaw trinkets

[cedar yew]

Ah fuck thought I had that macrod

Ty for finding that 😂

[woeful meteor]

1. No Windfury, no monk, no PI
2. wrong Talents
3. Opener completely wrong DM at 21sec
4. Didn't use 1 trinket
5. same dm mistake at 2 min
6. wrong phial

[clever sapphire]

tamaran probably gonna give you a better review, but why did you press fok on nymue

(he already gave it, nvm)

[runic hinge]

14 seconds is a perfectly average amount of time

[waxen oyster]

you made me double check the year

[thorn fjord]

thats what she said

[waxen oyster]

to make sure i was reading a 2024 log with elemental chaos

[clever sapphire]

pff 14 seconds? gimme 5 you slowpoke

[cedar yew]

What tree should i be using?

Openers I'm still very wonky on. I've seen a few variations

Trinkets I'll fix.

What phial should it be 😂😂

[runic hinge]

Corrupting rage

[waxen oyster]

corrupting rage

[cedar yew]

Ok Ty

[thorn fjord]

We get yelled at for using Rage

We as in my raid group

[clever sapphire]

yell back

[woeful meteor]

tepid vers is better than elemental as well

[waxen oyster]

why its not alot of damage

unless you're on fyrak

[thorn fjord]

Tepid is the play usually for prog if your guild minds you running Corrupting

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean i think fyrak is the only fight my hp has felt ever in danger

[runic hinge]

Tell your healers they’ll parse better if you run corrupting

[waxen oyster]

because healers just let you marinate with 15 stacks

[thorn fjord]

brother im a broke boi i aint buying corrupting

[clever sapphire]

(its also on the first page of wowhead assa page)

[waxen oyster]

corrupting damage is kinda w/e if you're an alchemist too

[clever sapphire]

this

so true

[waxen oyster]

we have them in the guild bank

just dont take them outside raid

[woeful meteor]

also your pooling energy badly missing tier set procs, but I havent looked at Sin logs in some time so I dont know how much you hit when done right but missing 35% isn't it

[cedar yew]

Thank you cursedLoc 🔥

[clever sapphire]

take them inside raid, use them after raid for your m+, now you took it inside raid, but used it outside

[waxen oyster]

claim not to be an alchemist

saynig you need more

[clever sapphire]

easy

[runic hinge]

Your guild doesn’t do cauldrons? A whole 20 broke boys in one raid

[waxen oyster]

we've never done phial cauldrons

[cedar yew]

I honestly haven't got to that stage yet

[waxen oyster]

just pot ones

[clever sapphire]

if you want to get IC for cleave (only on council), take a point from dashing and put it into ic

[runic hinge]

We have a guidie who did phial and pot cauldrons all expack

[cedar yew]

Not entirely sure on how/what pooling is and how it works for the set

[thorn fjord]

our workhorse quit the guild

Because he was bad and got benched

[woeful meteor]

phial cauldron was a gold loss when they came out at least on EU

[waxen oyster]

our gold goblin is an officer

[woeful meteor]

so we just phial from gbank

[waxen oyster]

yeah i think phial cauldron is a more expensive than just supplying phials

could be wrong

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[clever sapphire]

pooling in short is turning off the outlaw fingers and waiting before using a finisher

[cedar yew]

Ah thank you! I seen something about pandemic but wasent sure what that was

[runic hinge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[clever sapphire]

do you know all the commands inside out mr tony

[runic hinge]

Our guildie is rich af and I don’t think he cared about cost

Hmm

!whispyr

[clever sapphire]

only command i know

and its gone

[runic hinge]

[cedar yew]

Thanks for all this. Looks like I'll be dummy humping tomorrow!

[runic hinge]

Also I want to be helpful without actually being smart so I just use the command to help that someone smarter than me wrote

[clever sapphire]

well cant go wrong with the command, because if you spread misinformation thatway its on whispyr

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[clever sapphire]

make sure you get the kingsbane windows down (get one of the Kingsbane WAs so that you know if you did a good opener)

if you have those down the rest is gonna be easy

[cedar yew]

I think I've got that sorted. Only bit I'm a bit foggy on is when to use DM properly

But I'll just practice the opener, assuming it's always that order?

[clever sapphire]

mut to 5cp > envenom > dm > shiv > dance > kb

make sure you dance before kb

[cedar yew]

Does it matter if it's king dance or dance king?

[clever sapphire]

ya it matters

always dance before kb

[cedar yew]

Macro's together a no go?

[clever sapphire]

you can do it

just remember that kb is on gcd and dance isnt

[cedar yew]

Yea ok perfect 🔥

[clever sapphire]

(meaning you will have to press the macro more often if you pressed it during a gcd)

but aslong as you dance before kb its gonna be fine

[cedar yew]

Perfect

I'll give all of that a practice tomorrow.

[clever sapphire]

gl

[cedar yew]

And farm the bloody trinkets

[runic hinge]

Oh god. It’s spiteful week. Here come the restealth complaints

[balmy condor]

We have a command for that

Alexa, set reminder for 30 minutes until next Tuesday

[runic hinge]

I’m ready to do my part

[royal lantern]

nah, were safe

nobody really plays assa m+ anymore

[balmy condor]

Wait true

[waxen oyster]

they all moved on to ret pally

[plain moon]

is there a quick way to sim 5:30 for dumb person like me:)

[balmy condor]

max_time=330

should work

but I don't know what you're expecting to see from a 5:30 sim that you won't see in a 5 sim

[plain moon]

just curious on when signet is better for me

my guess is around 5:15

[balmy condor]

vary_combat_length=0

should add that

if you want to be more exact

cause sims have 20% variance

[plain moon]

ty:)

do I just slap those 2 lines at the bottom of my string?

[balmy condor]

custom apl

[crimson smelt]

Hey everyone. Outlaw main here but wanting to pump more on Iridikron tyran weeks. Is sin solid for that? Many have mentioned sub but that it's punishing if you mess it up. I was thinking maybe sin is a better choice for me.

[thorn fjord]

They both work really… depends on what you’re already better at

M+ sub is running DB build iirc

So if you played sub in the previous tiers it’ll feel familiar

Sin works well too tho

Also gear set between OL and Sub are much more similar

[silk bane]

theyre both fine, sin doesnt get execute ont hat boss so probably less good. also sins a lot squishier than sub so theres that too

but also u get 10% haste on shields so a bit more buff for sin i guess? idk sin just squishy

[earnest remnant]

[silk bane]

what mr racoon

[jade coral]

how do you stop recount details (lol) from resetting on stealth again?

[spice spire]

!details

[prisma monolith]

To stop details from resetting on vanish, go into the settings and under Overall Data, make sure "Use Dynamic Overall Damage" is checked.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1173432355785027584/details_vanish.png

[jade coral]

ty!!

[spice spire]

You got a problem m8

[earnest remnant]

just wonderin where the hell he got 10% haste from

considering the buff you get is 50%

[spice spire]

Understandable

[gaunt sigil]

Aight, heading into fyrakk for the first time for real tonight, got the fit and ready to blast

[dusky pawn]

!spiteful

[spice spire]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):

• Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
• This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
• You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
• This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years

[spice spire]

@dusky pawn above

[dusky pawn]

thx

[crimson smelt]

This is true

Thanks for the help

[royal lantern]

they have so much haste, that the DR kicks in to such a degree that the 50% is only 10%

[gusty mirage]

jokes on you nerd

% based increases aren't affected by the DR

[runic hinge]

Rip bozo

[royal lantern]

gonna cry myself to sleep now

[gusty mirage]

can I come tuck you in?

[royal lantern]

(work in 5hours and cant sleep, help)

[runic hinge]

[gusty mirage]

oh I can't help with that man

sorry

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

[desert inlet]

swtor time

[blazing jewel]

yes

the new push timing on fyrakk is going to be giga cringe

[balmy condor]

PLEB FROM THE TOP ROPES

[blazing jewel]

it wasnt pleb

@indigo ether

[indigo ether]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-shyboos-smile-gif-6799543775821848754

[thorn fjord]

Blasphemy

[spice spire]

@indigo ether

[dark token]

Fyrakk nerfs might mean a rip for sin's niche over sub

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[dark token]

No more 2 sets of 2 mins in p3

So now sub will just be better for boss dam pretty sure

[thorn fjord]

Converting to the church of ST then?

[dark token]

No way I ran CT on fyrakk

It kinda got killed in raid with the change to scale up to 4t

Wish it was good enough to use on 2t then it would still be useful

Imo they need to revert that change

Or do a halfway change like it scales up 50% per target beyond the first (caps at 2)

Rather than 25% (caps at 4)

[thorn fjord]

I’m too dumb to fully comprehend what you said

But we’re still on p2 swift… I’ll know eventually

[regal cedar]

anyone have the macro for stealth, unless you cant, then using shadowmeld? or vanish?

[thorn fjord]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[acoustic roost]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[regal cedar]

I'll be honest, i'm trying to get this for my feral lol

Saves a button, handles all the same cases

[slate crown]

It is over. I am free

[runic hinge]

Time to play wow again?

[slate crown]

Time to play wow again

[runic hinge]

Yay!

That’s my favorite game!

[spice spire]

I’m sorry homie (I love WoW)

[ember mural]

login

[spice spire]

No man

[shy pecan]

[slate crown]

It's ok D3 is basically a dead game only on life support now, good to land anywhere now

[spice spire]

It’s just like me (over 30)

[shy pecan]

30 is the new 20 yo

[slate crown]

[marble hemlock]

its the other way around. 30 is the new 50

[runic hinge]

Thank god

[marble hemlock]

ye life is basically over by the time you hit 35 (i did last year)

[runic hinge]

Nice. 1.5 years left

[gaunt moat]

I remember i had a co-worker that was 35 when i was 22
to me he looked like he's 40-50.
now i'm at that age, and all my friends still look young to me.

maybe we're just built different.

[rotund oak]

im already speaking u from the grave

[oak tangle]

They kinda did studies on it and it’s partly an attire thing, different generations wear different clothes and you associate those clothes as old

[gaunt moat]

I saw Vsauce covering it yeah
but I still think we just look younger than average

[sinful socket]

is Augury (heroic) a good shout? simming 2,817 dps lower then my 470 trinkets from vault... got tier gloves and chest, Ring of contempt myth with speed - Coiled serpent and drapeleaf cloak from gnarlroot heroic aswell

[runic hinge]

Augry is not that good for assa

[sinful socket]

im using Sandglass - Branch so im pretty good on those and sims are saying the ring of contempt over mythic tier is the highest increase so follow sims and say gg? 😄

[balmy condor]

yep

[royal python]

Igira the cruel parried my kingsbane, is that legit?

[balmy condor]

legit in what way

[royal python]

Can kb be parried??

[balmy condor]

yeah

[royal python]

Dafuq

[silk bane]

/cast shadowstep
/cast shadow dance
/cast kingsbane
/cast Pray to allah i dont die here on god im about to uninstall

[balmy condor]

don't be in front of igira

idk

[silk bane]

whispyr i enjoyed your stream rant about logs and tuning

was fun!

[balmy condor]

ty I love yapping

[silk bane]

i know, bro graduated top of his class from university of yap. studying the art of babblin

[balmy condor]

degree in talkanomics

[silk bane]

huge demand for it I heard. its where the big bucks are!

[runic hinge]

[left sundial]

When kb parried pray to god guild wipe happens me much

[royal python]

Is signet brand good for smolderon mythic fight

[royal lantern]

nope

brand is only really good for fyraak

on everything else its a giga gamble

[balmy condor]

it's good on smold and tindral what

it's even good on nymue if you're slow killing

[royal lantern]

man, everyone says something different on tindral there

[balmy condor]

tindral is not debatable

[royal lantern]

stacks drop, they dont drop, its bugged, its not bugged aaaahhhhh

[spice surge]

It takes longer to stack up because youre flying and not hitting the boss

But its still a decently long fight

[clever sapphire]

relatable

i just never needed on that trinket

so i dont have to deal with all this thinking

[subtle tundra]

ive had it all season and did 0 thinking on it

[clever sapphire]

you are just built different

[subtle tundra]

most thinking ive done was 2 days ago about what to craft on monk..

and it was overwhelming...

[clever sapphire]

i just dont craft gear anymore on alts

easy as that

[pseudo hamlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plain moon]

Signet isn’t really all that much thinking. Usually the breakpoint is just anything above 5min in length it’s good, else it’s not

[real pike]

Getting very very very bored of no sight of mythic Nick

Who the fuck decided BiS items should come from pure rng

[arctic socket]

Pretty well any game

[brave gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-jim-wtf-what-gif-21922725

[brave gazelle]

Me getting two myth nicks within 4 dungeons

[quiet oar]

Meanwhile Kazzak neck exists for Outlaws and Matrix Stabilizer for Sub

[spice spire]

Aren’t all drops pure rng?

[quiet oar]

TRUE

Quake spitting facts

in the morning

[spice spire]

I went to sleep too late

Old man only got 6 hours

[real pike]

I genuinely don't know what these things are

[real pike]

yeah big true for each individual drop but at least you can in theory run as many dungeons as you like to increase overall chances of obtaining

vault is hard capped

and just really really frustrating

especially when BiS is 2 of the bloody thing

[royal lantern]

isnt life pure rng

[quiet oar]

Kazzak Neck was a neck from Kazzak on the Anniversary event and Matrix Stabilizier was FIrelands Timewalking trinket

So both were limited time

and these are bis

[real pike]

Lollll and continued being bis after the events?

[quiet oar]

Yes

[real pike]

some of the decisions baffle me

[quiet oar]

Well Matrix Stabilizier was nerfed today

But it was also not nerfed today

[royal lantern]

decisions?

[real pike]

yes from the devs

[royal lantern]

they made a neck with a small dmg proc

its just that outlaw is such a mess of shit thrown against a wall

that even small dmg procs win

[subtle tundra]

literally irrelevant

[royal lantern]

your fault if you play the shit spec

[real pike]

I play it in mythics only, can't hate on people for enjoying what they enjoy though 😄

[real pike]

how so?

[subtle tundra]

cause its not a significant amount of dps?

[royal lantern]

^

[subtle tundra]

youre stressing over nothing

[real pike]

not literally irrelevant then :p virtually maybe

[royal lantern]

chasing the elusive "best setup" just doesnt matter in the end

[subtle tundra]

i'd understand the frustration if it were like the 2h legendary

[real pike]

I'm not stressing but the mechanic makes the game less enjoyable for me 🤷‍♂️ and others as well

[subtle tundra]

i dont see the problem

that 1k dps wont make or break anything

[royal lantern]

i mean, if the game is less enjoyable for somebody because they do 600less SIM DPS and virtualy 0in reality

idk man

thats some weird shit at that stage

[real pike]

noone said anything about it being related to damage output? some people just want to get the cool items

[subtle tundra]

then get the 483

wow 6 ilvls

HUUUUUGE

[real pike]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

idk youre making up problems

did you play the game before the great vault was a thing?

before the tracks

[quiet oar]

Its also the only neck besides VOlco neck with good stats

[real pike]

think you think everyone sees the game through the same lens as you, very numbers based but some people just like the sense of achieving more powerful shit and that being within their control to a higher degree

[real pike]

yeah I played in wotlk

[subtle tundra]

it sounds like you were an enjoyer of the titanforges

[real pike]

the what

[subtle tundra]

💀

[real pike]

I had a biiiiiiiiiig old break 🙂

[subtle tundra]

playing the game at a high level made me realise how irrelevant shit like that is

[royal lantern]

imagine a spec that is desinged too such a perfect degree

that 2 out of the 4secondary stats in the game are straight up ussules

[real pike]

to you bro

[royal lantern]

outlaw never stops beeing funny

[oak tangle]

why're you being toxic, what's toxic is having the BiS weapon be a one chance a week item

[quiet oar]

Ye, i mean Haste got its value in ST

[real pike]

this guy gets it ^^

[spice spire]

Should have 3 chances a week

[subtle tundra]

i have no arguments! i simply dont care about loot, shit's gonna be irrelevant in 3 months

replaced by a random dagger from a +20

[royal lantern]

varas is varas, he is very direct

its just.....man idk why its such a big deal for some people that a very very minor increase you wont even notice is maybe just rng, but also doesnt really matter

[blissful forge]

the looks bro the looks

cant meme on some1 if you also have a 483 nick

x)

[oak tangle]

i care less about the dagger and more so that i have min maxxed my gear from the content i do, and i can either try and join a mythic prog team or wait each week for 1 item to possibly show up as an ilvl upgrade

[spice spire]

Watch me bozo

[real pike]

yeah for some people they enjoy this game through squeezing every bit of stat and performance they can

[spice spire]

I’m still 445 and I’ll meme on everyone

[real pike]

and that's ok

I'm personally somewhere between the two

[subtle tundra]

honestly, i think its good that there's m+ loot thats bis
gives an incentive to play every week

not for me, but for others

[real pike]

I'm very old school, I think all the best items should come from raids period. But I know that's not a common opinion

[oak tangle]

so as im SoL of joining a mythic prog team, i'm dependant on vault myth track items showing up. one of the reasons I have made a second rogue. I know it's mostly self imposed (the not doing myth raid thing) but i feel if you are going to lock myth track m+ loot behind a weekly vault there needs to be some luck mitigation to get what you need

[royal lantern]

naaaah

based

fuck m+

[subtle tundra]

(i literally have ilvl upgrades in my inventory that needs to get upgraded and enchanted but im too lazy to do it for 6 ilvls)

[royal lantern]

allright, thats some Peak varas shit

[subtle tundra]

wont make the reclears faster...

we're boosting fyrakk tonight which is cool

[quiet oar]

You are real for that

[subtle tundra]

but the boss is annihilated so even less reason to care

[royal lantern]

how much did you pay for it

[subtle tundra]

my soul

so kinda cheap

[rotund oak]

varas soul priceless

[royal lantern]

nah, 24bucks and a burger

[brave gazelle]

Even then running 18s is nay hard if you want the myth version, either enjoy the grind or don't bother, both raid and crafted daggers are perfectly fine

[rotund oak]

if its 5-guys burger count mine as well

[subtle tundra]

man i want burger now

but uh, i struggled to fit into my pants yesterday so that was rough

[real pike]

I would like a system where running m+ gives you a currency to upgrade raid gear from one track to another or something

so you can improve gear from it but it's not more powerful than raid rewards themselves

[real pike]

you guys actually fit in your clothes these days?

[brave gazelle]

Would make mythic raiding kinda irrelevant outside of hall of fame would it no tho

Systems fine as is imo

[subtle tundra]

not really :/

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats the catalyst

and m+ is allready waaaaaaay to gear efficent

like

0effort at all for max lvl stuff

everyone gets tier sets from spamming shit+ and catalyst

how many pieces your character uses are actually raid drops

and not m+ drops/m+ vault items/m+ items you used catalyst on/crafted gear

[subtle tundra]

idk man but folyr needs some fucking trinkets from those M+

[real pike]

catalyst doesn't take you from hero track to mythic

[royal lantern]

why the fuck should it do that

??

[real pike]

I mean it would take some refining like you have to clar mythic raids to upgrade to the track or smth

[royal lantern]

just delete raids at that point lol

[real pike]

I never said it should?

Just said that's not the catalyst

I'm just thinking out loud of ways that raiding leads gear improvement with m+ following rather than the other way round

[brave gazelle]

If you where just handed everything without a grind pve would be almost pointless, I get not getting a drop for ages I'd frustrating but it really isn't as big a problem as your making it out to be when there are many alternatives, aye

[fleet pagoda]

i'm surprised people are finding gear acquisition too slow. i'm even leaning it towards being way too easy(fast?)

[brave gazelle]

I went 60 dry on the witherbark, but I enjoyed the process init

[brave gazelle]

It's crazy fast, I leveled a warrior like two weeks ago and he's allrready 472

[royal lantern]

it is fast/a vit to fast, its more about the frustration of not getting the stuff you actually want, even if its a extremely minor gain like a mythic lvl nick

aquisition itself? yeha, m+ needs a nuke in that regard

its just

bruh

not timing a +18 giving the same reward as mythic smolderon

like, you dont even need to "win" for the max lvl gear in m+

can overtime it by 9hours

doesnt matter, its a vault slot

[fleet pagoda]

i'd be down for a more deterministic way of getting myth track m+ loot if they moved the goalposts, sure. i feel like the issue is more, for example, witherbark's giga dick benefit compared to other trinkets in our loot pool than the drop rate of the thing itself

[brave gazelle]

18s feel like 14s in shadowlands too, they're way to easy for the gear you get outta them

13s*

[royal lantern]

10.1.5 made m+ very very easy ye

like, at df launch, a +20 was quiet a challange for the first 1-2 weeks

same for 10.1

now? LOL

[real pike]

mental imo

[oak tangle]

i'd appreciate a vault system where you can pick the keystone you wish and it drops an item from that key. and i think yeah you should have to time a 20 to get a myth track item

the good / bad part about vault is how it incetivises people to feel entitled to certain loot for content, and any 18 giving myth track loot is a problem of that

[clever sapphire]

i have no idea what you mean (only doing 18s for the last few weeks cause i cant be bothered to go higher )

[halcyon egret]

am I right in assuming I should be macroing witherbark's branch with deathmark?

so that it can be used in a kingsbane window

[pseudo hamlet]

yeah

[halcyon egret]

\o/ ty

is it worth trying to gather up the balls or should they reach me in time?

[royal lantern]

you pick up 2 instantly, and delay the last orb by like 5-6 seconds

aka

you use dm->move top left->move right->you can stand still now and the last orb will reach you at roughly the correct time

[halcyon egret]

oo neat

[royal lantern]

branch is kinda w/e after you used it for some time

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[past forum]

Top right first is bis in slot, we drawin 7s all day bois

[oak tangle]

Do I gotta bring out my early season artwork

[halcyon egret]

lol

things are heating up in the balls fandom

[oak tangle]

We all got blue balls man, what can we say

[gaunt moat]

Running branch in 2024

Go ashes, that extra potential 1k dps ain't worth it brother

[royal lantern]

[gaunt moat]

You know i'm right

[gaunt sigil]

I hit a spicy 6.2m KB on Fyrakk yesterday. I Will have to get a clip from my vod but it was sexy

[royal lantern]

no

weakness is disgusting