assassination

[chilly marsh]

a way to refresh IC without enabling iron wire woudl be better

i love sin gameplay but it really cut the fun of playing it when you need to do multiple garotes ruptures because tnak cant wait 2s for a stealth

[balmy condor]

around 10-11k

[balmy condor]

the gameplay is hinged on the fact that you don't always have IC

the point is that you have times where you need to rupture and garrote by hand

[past forum]

You can also just let spatter carry you more and stress less about restealths

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor very handsome article

[runic hinge]

Handsome

[past forum]

The hero talent cooks are pretty smart. Shifting the focus between cds and resource management seems like a good way to diversify gameplay.

[balmy condor]

u too bb

[spice spire]

Off my mans

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

[bleak sun]

$

[hallow token]

Got through that whole look-back article and was a little surprised Acrobatic Strikes wasn't mentioned.

[drifting cloud]

that reminds me, lets look at the stats arent real video im sure its a banger

[shy pecan]

Acro has never been a necessity for sin

[slate crown]

are stats in the room with you right now?

[grim jay]

Because its not as important as people make it out to be

[royal lantern]

the thing is for assa

our aoe rn is splatter

splatter isnt affected by acro

and in raids, idk? i never struggled really with staying in melee range tbh

[alpine juniper]

I FINALLY figured out why I am soo bad at Sin, I upped my dps by 100k week over week!

I wasn't using proccing chaotic spatter before Kingsbane on trash

[glacial stump]

Do you guys bind kingsbane/shadowdance into 1 macro ?

[alpine juniper]

or using KB enough

[royal lantern]

yes

[grim jay]

Because you probably didnt rely on it like a madman when it was standard to pick it up

[glacial stump]

Thank god

[inland egret]

good on any rogue speccs? -.-

[runic hinge]

outlaw

[royal lantern]

not really

[royal lantern]

they said "rogue"

[inland egret]

ty tony

[runic hinge]

its mid on it

but better than the other 2 by far

[inland egret]

ty, rest of my vaults is just trash

maybe it

'll be better at some point:P ty

[sick garnet]

There are much better trinkets for outlaw

[near valley]

Good as in c-tier sure

[runic hinge]

Well its f tier for the other 2

[grim jay]

Well if you play a mid spec mistake you might aswell use a mid trinket

[sick garnet]

mid spec

[royal lantern]

yeha, calling outlaw a spec

instead of calling it a mistake

[grim jay]

Harr harr landlubbers

[runic hinge]

[strange bronze]

Is Arterial Shock best to run on Fortified week on high keys?

[grim jay]

Fixed

[grim jay]

All close with specific strengths

Id still run cleave

Probably

[near valley]

Fake news

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/duffey-bbw-basketball-wives-la-you-fake-you-phony-gif-7526701

[near valley]

S and no LesS

[runic hinge]

I almost took from vault to try outlaw and then i didn't

[grim jay]

Dodged the bullet

[runic hinge]

I remembered I like pressing CT

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

[runic hinge]

I thought about playing sub too but i hit a dummy for an hour the other day and i remembered i like juggling dots

[royal lantern]

based and poison pilled

[quiet oar]

You were 2 times in Outlaw chat last week

You are one of us now

[shy pecan]

[royal lantern]

if you could do a spec based /played fornan expansion

fuck df outlaw and df sub

[runic hinge]

Sin is just to comfy

[floral shoal]

raider io season recap has the number of dungeons done in each spec, mine shows 3 specs over 3 classes 🤓

[royal lantern]

nah, sub is just a mess of everything that holds itself togheter by beeing overtuned

and df outlaw is df outlaw

[runic hinge]

Yeah. I think it’s just sometimes I think I want to try out the other two and I do for like a training dummy session and decide it ain’t for me.

[strange bronze]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine juniper]

I run it regardless it performs well

[pseudo hamlet]

Is Assa also a good target for PI in the dungeons? I mean considering we're getting it on the bigger pulls with DM+KB and talented into Caustic Spatter?

[clever sapphire]

i would say its probably the best target

well behind hunters

but thats besides the point

[real pike]

mythic branch lessgo

[muted tapir]

What classes do you guys enjoy as a 1a 1b alt?

I wish aff was in a better place

[fair stirrup]

Shadow priest. I only run rogue + spriest and it keeps me happy

[grim jay]

BDK

[muted tapir]

Did you do any keys today? How do the buffs feel

I like ramp up I’ve got a spriest sitting at like 455 just haven’t done much with it

[edgy musk]

When I come out of stealth and get subterfuge ambush on my mutilate keybind, a lot of times the last ambush right when subterfuge falls out does trigger, cause the ability turns into mutilate again, and the same goes for that mutilate so I have to press twice. Effectively losing out on a global, is there a fix for it that doesnt revolve around having seperate binds for ambush and muti?

[balmy condor]

no fix

I'm gonna be honest though, I basically never notice it

cause the only time it would ever happen like that would be after a vanish when my cooldowns are all done anyway

and at that point, don't really care for losing half a gcd

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[balmy condor]

?

[crisp pine]

They're shy

[balmy condor]

Bro pinged me for nothing and dipped

I don’t bite

[crisp pine]

Not even for money?

[balmy condor]

I mean if you want me to bite I will

[crisp pine]

Can you pls bite my head off whispyr sir 👉 👈

[lucid knoll]

[balmy condor]

Neck too big

[crisp pine]

damn

What if I nerf it by 3% including auto attack damage

[balmy condor]

Spinal cord too cronchy

https://tenor.com/view/ntuni-cat-chew-crunch-funny-gif-23922784

Yes queen?

Fuck

Hate you all fr

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-muppet-muppets-kermit-gif-13282760728630259313

[crisp pine]

Anyone gonna play Uni 2 today

Or is it just me

[arctic socket]

What is Uni 2

[crisp pine]

I'm glad you asked

[royal lantern]

is that a DN joke setup

[arctic socket]

I’m pretty excited for enshrouded coming soon

[crisp pine]

It's Under Night In-Birth II Sys:Celes
The sequel to the critically acclaimed UNDER NIGHT IN-BIRTH Exe:Late[cl-r]

[arctic socket]

One of those no one knows switch games?

[crisp pine]

No it's a fairly popular fighting game

And with fairly popular I mean in the niche of the niche that're anime fighters it has some fans cause it's very good

Like Melty Blood

[crisp pine]

Enshrouded is pretty alright

[arctic socket]

Looks like a fun game

[crisp pine]

They kinda stole from a bunch of games and put it all in a pot
But it works pretty well

[arctic socket]

Like Palworld?

Which that game is amazing

[royal lantern]

he said "works well"

[arctic socket]

You have had a issue with it?

[royal lantern]

not "play for 3-4 hours and realise its a generic crafting survival game"

[arctic socket]

I wouldn’t call it generic

[crisp pine]

Uses like a ubisoft UI, with lots of Breath of the wild and a bit of Genshin Impact sprinkled in

[arctic socket]

But I could see how you think that

[crisp pine]

And the usual survival stuff

[rare jackal]

@balmy condor good article fren
i agree with the part about leaning more into resource managment, i hope sanguine blades can be iterated on further
also that s3 4pc should maybe become a talent

[arctic socket]

It should become a talent to replace doom blade

[royal lantern]

s3 4pc should replace twist the knife

[arctic socket]

So we can go back to playing bone spike

[royal lantern]

like

its ttk

lol

[balmy condor]

Ye

It’s ttk but better

[royal lantern]

also a envenom related talent, but a really bad one

[crisp pine]

Can't believe whispyr didn't say anything about bringing back burst of speed

[royal lantern]

just play outlaw

the spec that is so well desinged

[crisp pine]

But I don't wanna sprint

[royal lantern]

it has sprint all the time anyway

[crisp pine]

I wanna have a burst of speed

I need a 3 second ability I can macro to everything else and watch my energy be 0 after 3 gcds

That's the spec fantasy

[rare jackal]

cant believe whispyr didnt say anythough about reversing blindside

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[royal python]

Ttk is my favourite talent, I'm not able to play the envenom minigame without it

[grim jay]

Bonespike

[lime crypt]

the worst skill in game

the amount of skills assa has rn is so great

[spice spire]

Bonespike haters 👉 🚪

[royal lantern]

bonespike lovers 👉 🚪

(they make out)

[real pike]

wait people play ttk?

what are they not playing instead

[grim jay]

I sure as hell know what I aint playing

It starts with b and ends with onespike

[real pike]

I don't play ttk bonespike or sepsis

am I idiot?

[royal lantern]

nobody plays ttk lol

its a dead and ussules talent

[real pike]

zukz in bits

[royal lantern]

energy must be waaay more of a struggle for ttk to be played

[midnight mist]

I just read the article, whisp can you delete the part about seal fate in the hero talent between sin outlaw pls

thanks a lot

[royal lantern]

zac, can you give the yellow names in #outlaw some brains so they realise what hero talents mean

cus holy shit

"make the current tier set a hero talent!!!!111!!!" THATS NOT WHAT THEY ARE

[midnight mist]

our current tier set will prolly just get implemented into our actual talents anyway

we have so many useless nodes

might aswell

but ye if you are talking about zero

I dont control him

[royal lantern]

as if talents matter for outlaw

just get gear with procs

[royal lantern]

man idk who they are when everyone is a zac pfp copycat lol

[brave stump]

Thats solidarity

Outlaw homies unite

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor just read your article, did you have any ideas as to ways to mess with combo points? I was just trying to think of how you could make interesting things with it, without basically obliterating how it currently works and i drew a blank

the only thing i could think of was to delete seal fate and essentially do a monk style get bonus if not using the same number of combo points again

[arctic socket]

@spice spire more button bloat is good

[grim jay]

I dont think it needs to be changed tbh

Cp just work as you would expect them to work

And from all the resources, energy and Cp together are prolly still the most interesting

[oak tangle]

it would be cool to have an over cap prevention, at the cost of deeper strat or something

[grim jay]

So anticipation

[oak tangle]

o, yes

never seen that talent

or spell rather

[grim jay]

It was a talent that noone used at the time

But it still had the old system

[oak tangle]

old system?

[grim jay]

Where you had rows you unlock at certain levels

With 3 choices

[oak tangle]

oh i see

i think a big problem for it, is that even with deeper strat we finish at 4

so would need to be some tweaking there

[grim jay]

If you could have both you might change that

I actually dont remember what it competed with

But it was mop till Legion, so spec was different

[royal lantern]

that was the "you have 10CP, but cant spend more then 5at once" talent right

[oak tangle]

yeah

sub kinda has an iteration of that now with shadow techniques / shadowcraft

[grim jay]

It had 2 versions over the xpacs

The later version is easier to track tho I guess

[royal lantern]

could have just said "yes"

[grim jay]

But I love to put in the little extra effort for you

[royal lantern]

you know

the anticipation stacks

is just shadow tech now

[grim jay]

Yep

[royal lantern]

never really thought about it

idk, completely forgot that it waa a thing

[grim jay]

Actually the newer version might be a good fit for sin

[oak tangle]

excuse the blasphemy, but at a low level, what is the niche of outlaw, if you consider that sin is a resource management spec. and sub is a buff stacking spec

[grim jay]

Spaming like a madman and getting procs

[clever sapphire]

5 monsters in a row and a bit of coke

[oak tangle]

so just high apm, basically? i was jsut trying to think if it plays as a buff maintenance

[spice surge]

Fast reactions to procs

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-work-coffee-working-hard-coffee-drip-all-the-coffee-gif-12423660

[spice surge]

And to a certain extent resource management too, just in a different way than assa

[royal lantern]

wait looking for the pic

thats outlaw

[earnest remnant]

i have the best Raz clip to counter this

[royal lantern]

show

[grim jay]

Love the random smoothbrain statememt in there

[earnest remnant]

twitch keeps denying me clipping it

[royal lantern]

its not wow players without putting in a random "what i play is giga hard and complicated and im a gigabrain for playing it, the rest is E A S Y"

[earnest remnant]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2041121197?t=0h43m59s time stamped it instead

[spice spire]

Ur gonna make me hit filter

[arctic socket]

It might be what’s best for me

[spice spire]

Dog do you think I’m saying I’m going to filter you?

[arctic socket]

Maybe? Idk

[spice spire]

[coarse cipher]

hello, i have to switch assa for fyrrak mythic, (i was sub) and i checked some assa player to have better stats, i have currently 34%crit, 24%haste, 63% mastery with rune, and 10% versa, can i improve the balance or its good like that ?

[arctic socket]

What did your sim tell you?

There’s really no exact amount of stats to aim for really it’s what ever the robots tells you to use

[coarse cipher]

ok because with sub , i followed raidbot i had less dps on tindral cause we wanted full mastery

i didnt for the assa too but

for fyrrak follow raidbot is better ?

[spice surge]

Yes, follow raidbots

[unique sorrel]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[minor scarab]

Hey guys! I have a Hero track 483 ring with optimal Mastery/crit stats, i also have a socketed Myth track 483 ring with Haste/vers, Would myth track and socket outwiegh the sub optimal stats or should i stick to my old ring?

[unique sorrel]

[pseudo hamlet]

For me the 489 + socket with "wrong" stats were better. But you should better sim yourself 🙂

[minor scarab]

im awful at simming, dont know how to account for sockets and potential but not current ilvl increases, was hoping someone here would know for sure

[unique sorrel]

It all depends on your current stats

So there’s no “catch all” answer

[pseudo hamlet]

Depends on your whole gear mate, we cannot see it so we cannot really judge

[unique sorrel]

And frankly, even knowing what the stats are wouldn’t help

Hence why simming is king - a CPU can actually do the math/permutations of gear

[pseudo hamlet]

You can also link the sim here 😄

[minor scarab]

This is my current sim

[spice spire]

That’s your simc

Run that in raidbots top gear

[minor scarab]

Thats what i meant, sorry

[spice spire]

Damn

[pseudo hamlet]

I am simming it right now, with the highest upgrades possible

[minor scarab]

Thanks, not that acusstomed to simming sorry for any seemingly obvious questions... 🙂

[pseudo hamlet]

Some guides:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-sim-your-wow-character-a-guide-to-raidbots

[minor scarab]

Thanks! will read

[pseudo hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pDGrghxXy8dwH4uwzixY3m

(forgot Wafting, may edit later if different outcome)

[minor scarab]

Thanks mate, appriciate it!

[bleak ocean]

hey, how should the damage look like in m+?

this is how my dmg is looking, 187k dps

[pseudo hamlet]

Slightly edited it! Changed the gems 😄

[deep knoll]

how do I sim only 203k on assa ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/suX5TqcR95RhNjc97L5PkB

my fire mage 470 sims 201k

[rotund oak]

chat is cursed man,deranged

[willow grotto]

Because the assa rogue is in the top 3 of the worst specs in sim

[shy pecan]

Gonna need a lot more context. What build were you using? What dungeon were you doing? What key level? What kind of pulls were the tank doing (e.g. big pulls or 2-3 mobs at a time)?

[royal python]

so the sim is inaccurate

i knew it was inaccurate, cause moment i started using un-recommended gear i started doing more damage

[upbeat needle]

whys the sim so off then, just curious

[bleak ocean]

Mythic+ - Arterial Shock, i think it was a wrm, mby a +19 the tank were doing relativly big pulls, like not big but not small 😅

[thorn fjord]

@royal lantern you stayed sin for swifty?

Trying to decide what to run… I’m playing sub pretty bad right now

[spice spire]

Yeah he did

[thorn fjord]

Parsed an 18 on smold lmao

[deep knoll]

so it sims rly bad

[thorn fjord]

And I was third on meters

[deep knoll]

?

[alpine juniper]

I'm soooo glad I finally figured out how to rogue, especially because it's Sin my favorite. I was struggling, always like 80k behind my friends despite us all being 483-486. Turns out, I was hitting ambush/mut way too late into my kingsbane windows. Like at the end, so it wasn't cleaving onto adds. Once I fixed that I literally gained 80k DPS in keys.

[willow grotto]

Afterwards it's weird that your sim is so low, I just have 1 ilvl more and I'm at 221k

[deep knoll]

yee thats what I mean

[shy pecan]

It looks fine. Don't know how fast trash is dying, so not sure about Explosion vs. Rupture damage.

[deep knoll]

200k is way too low

[alpine juniper]

In what context?

[deep knoll]

look above

my assa sims 203k I have no idea why

[thorn fjord]

Even with pi sin is simming significantly lower than sub

[deep knoll]

I saw other assa with same gear sim way better

[thorn fjord]

I’m only at 215k sim w/o pi

Sub at 236k

[willow grotto]

miss enchant on your belt

u can gain 1000+ dps

[arctic socket]

You can enchant your belt for dps or is that bait

Oh you’re meaning a patch

[willow grotto]

Yes the patch

[arctic socket]

He has the patch

[willow grotto]

not this

https://www.wowhead.com/item=205039/shadowed-belt-clasp

mb

[arctic socket]

[willow grotto]

I confused it with the legs

[arctic socket]

I mean I guess he’s missing stam

[willow grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1wdnnVGtFi3GN87xtj3n55

[spice spire]

Dogs I’ve been trying to figure out tf you meant with the belt.
The stamina clasp

[thorn fjord]

Same lol

[willow grotto]

Yes mb i confused

[arctic socket]

The difference there for dps isn’t the belt

[willow grotto]

Is the weapon enchant and weapon ilvl

[arctic socket]

It’s from wep

[fallow canopy]

more stam, more time alive = more dps 5head

[fallow canopy]

i think its just spatter - ib diff

[willow grotto]

oh right !

[fallow canopy]

with ib you are probably near 215

[willow grotto]

@deep knoll https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/byjfUWRgBrSKdNe2G2WHGK is better with good talent

[bleak ocean]

Ah, thank you mate <3

[main monolith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uibxcXtpipjntvxYynaPFs my humble rogue, will he be okay?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[runic hinge]

Why haven’t you reverted the nerfs yet

We know you’re holding out on us

[spice spire]

True and real

[spice spire]

Also sim tight spender > improved ambush. Should be a gain

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wqq6cr8ufHmku5wFNF6Sod

This is with PI tho =\

[willow grotto]

I sim the same w/o PI

[thorn fjord]

I’m not running branch

[willow grotto]

me too

[thorn fjord]

Then my gear sucks I dunno

[willow grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o8KWYbHoyd5Biufd67X6uH

[thorn fjord]

That sim I linked is with splatter tho

For swift

[willow grotto]

You troll

[deep knoll]

wait why does this sim way better

with other talents

im new to assa I dont understand rly why

[spice spire]

Other talents are better

[willow grotto]

spatter is for cleave, if you sim in patchwerk 1 target use Internal bleeding instead

[thorn fjord]

^^

[spice spire]

For pure single target

The wonderful part of simming is there’s no account taken for cleave or what have you got PW. So you gotta dome the noggin sometimes

[thorn fjord]

My noggin don’t work that well

Straight bozo

I’d imagine w/o splatter in around 225k?

Im*

But without PI it would sim around 215

I dunno

This tier has kind of knocked me off my high horse coming from last tier

[spice spire]

Last tier was piss easy fwiw

[spice surge]

Man if we had the rework last tier

Assa would've gonna so hard on sark

[spice spire]

True. Echoes would have been fucking miserable tho

That second kb window

[deep knoll]

ohh yee makes sense

thank you very much

[spice surge]

(or getting forcefully stopped because you did too much damage to the boss and hes now immune)

Is my memory of neltharion

[spice spire]

I spit on this game. I do not want to stop damage, I want to do damage!

[spice surge]

Relateable

Stoping damage is not very fun

[runic basin]

After the last buffs, can we hope for some buffs for assa 😀? I mean pala sims like higher then sub without legy

[spice spire]

🔮

[static glacier]

sims =/= what informs their decisions

[spice spire]

Eh that’s not a great statement to make either. Sims are a tool used to draw conclusions, but they should not be the absolute

[robust axle]

Whats the standard weapon runes used in Assasination sims?

[thorn fjord]

Mastery iirc

[fair stirrup]

is this a common build? it looks interesting to try

[bleak ocean]

It is on wowhead^^ https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

I enjoy playing with it atleast :P

[violet sonnet]

how are the stats looking? I feel like I got the right stuff just not executing my playstyle right

[thorn fjord]

Could use some more mastery.. but all the stats are good for us

[spice spire]

What are your trinkets

Stats legitimately matter a lot less than people think

But that dictates some of it

[violet sonnet]

This is ST so branch/brand

Or ill go Brand/Pip's if i dont wanna deal with branch

and im eeking out like 145-150k on fyrakk which i cant tell if its good or not, I played Sub up until this patch and still trying to adjust

10.2 i should say, not 10.2.5

[thorn fjord]

I’m trying to get better at sub but having a hard time

[shy pecan]

Sub’s definitely takes some getting use to with things like Shadowcraft/Shadow Techniques and knowing when to use Dust (if you’re running it)

[runic hinge]

whats the no dust build sim

[thorn fjord]

Wish it was still like s1

[shy pecan]

Definitely much lower. I know with my setup, was 7.6% worse

I think Fuu’s sims had it at like 3.4% worse, so not as bad

[runic hinge]

hmm

Within 5% is usually my "it's not so bad" margin

[shy pecan]

Well, on fights like Smolderon, it’s definitely much much worse to go non-Dust obviously 😛

[royal lantern]

on smoldy dust is also braindead af

[thorn fjord]

You’ll be proud of me.. I’m sticking to sin for swift

Got third on dps for smold kill and still parsed an 18 🤣 @royal lantern

I suck so bad at sub

[royal lantern]

i mean, play w/e you want

not like as if spec choice makes a difference at this point

[thorn fjord]

Made a difference for smold atleast

[past forum]

i wish i was good at current sub cause it's really fun but unfortunately i do like 10-15k less in practice than playing assa

[thorn fjord]

I miss S1 sub even if it wasn’t really that exciting

[past forum]

only played rogue as an alt before s2, started maining it in s2 cause our guild needed one

[thorn fjord]

I’ve been on this train since wod

It’s been a long ride

[past forum]

RH community is great, made transition easy for me. People seemed happy to help if someone was genuinely interested in learning (and aren't combative about things they know nothing about lol)

[shy pecan]

It does take some getting used to compared to the previous iteration this expansion. But if you focus on the core concepts between the two and then add Dust, it’s not too bad

[spice spire]

The sub boys are also great

[devout karma]

Are toxic thorn footwraps emballishment ?

or its an item

[spice spire]

As much as I joke about stealthi - he’s an incredibly intelligent lad

[spice spire]

Embellishment

Hacha does help a bit and fuu provides a ton of resources to help as well, and tries when he can help, limited time y’know

Eleem also my goat but he’s here too

[royal lantern]

wdym, eleem is a raichu

not a goat

[spice spire]

He’s both

[past forum]

i was speaking broadly of the RH community, both channels are great

[covert creek]

does any1 know why q3 vantus rune says +500 vers in the tooltip, but when I use it, it only gives +400?
Edit: ui bug :\

[royal lantern]

ofc, raccons have opposable thumbs, thats a sing of a smart animal that can use tools

he just used his paws to use raidbots

[spice spire]

Even if he is my number one hater

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-attack-горький-енот-shocked-gif-15469673

stealthi vs quake

[arctic socket]

Lmao

Stealthi would 100% body quake

[royal lantern]

in a fight, right?

[arctic socket]

Anyone else just kinda think of Stealthi as a raccoon when he speaks?

[arctic socket]

With how quake is idk

[spice spire]

Wdym by this

Also he might? I do have 3 years of wrestling and 5 years of boxing though?

[arctic socket]

You might give him some top

[spice spire]

No man

Love the homies not that way

[thorn fjord]

It’s not that way if there’s money involved

[lucid knoll]

almost perfect

[violet sonnet]

what shows that o:

[lucid knoll]

True Stat Values

addon

[spice surge]

Simming your character is gonna give you better results than trying to optimize your stat DRs like that

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[lucid knoll]

nah, ofc im not optimizing for it

my char sim the highest with such setup

[royal lantern]

no branch?

[lucid knoll]

nah, I joined the ashes cult

[royal lantern]

ah, makes sense then

branch pushes mastery a bit down overall

my sims always push me to vers

like im some shity yahtzee pirate

disgusting

10% 🤢

[spice surge]

Mastery vers sub enjoyers

[lucid knoll]

idk everyone seems to be using ashes

even on early bosses

ppl just dont like collecting orbs kekw

[royal lantern]

ashes is more comfy overall

but idk

branch is annoying for 2 days

and then you dont even think about it

walk left forward->walk right->do the rest of the opener and the last orb will reach you at a good time anyway

except on tindral, dont play branch on tindral

[spice spire]

Maybe for you

But I’m different

[royal lantern]

yes

because you dont even play the game

so we never know if you do it good or not on tindral

[lucid knoll]

and fyrakk

[royal lantern]

its annoying on fyraak but still usable

on tindral is legit unplayable

[runic hinge]

My assa wants mastery verse gems lol

[lucid knoll]

same

got 6 of them

[spice spire]

I just know

[maiden rover]

He’d do it real good on tindral

[spice spire]

Amen brother

[alpine juniper]

So I noticed ST we want more haste but multi target haste is bleh and the other 3 stays are almost equal

[little obsidian]

Should I be excited I was gifted a mythic pips last night?

[maiden rover]

But why is branch bad on tindral?

[alpine juniper]

I run ashes because I'm lazy AF

[gusty mirage]

a lot of movement

makes grabbing orbs optimally a pain in the ass

ashes also way more braindead

you press it and bam

[keen spruce]

I don’t think you can even grab orbs in your opener

[gusty mirage]

you can

[keen spruce]

Without losing uptime on the boss

Or cloaking the fire beam

[gusty mirage]

you just grab them without caring about timing

is what it is

[spice spire]

Yes you should be.
Pips is one of our best non active trinkets and the double active sux

Also jealous

[gaunt sigil]

No more loot for me until Fyrakk is dead

We are extending until CE now

[maiden rover]

I pop branch like 2 secs before pull. Then it’s up again for shield on 2nd platform. Haven’t made it much further than that…..makes grabbing orbs before first fire beam easier

[keen spruce]

Suboptimal bubble gathering

[gusty mirage]

shit boss design

what do you want from me

[violet sonnet]

instead of bubble

little soul

[runic hinge]

Better trinket design

[gaunt sigil]

I use ashes for tswift and fyrakk, just more convenient

[gusty mirage]

message Ion on twitter and ask him to hire me

and I got you

[runic hinge]

There’s gotta be something between you just press this with your cds and it’s good and this is really inconvenient but is more damage than anything

[violet sonnet]

im just trying to figure out how to maintain above 150k dps on most boss fights lmfao, bubbles were not working in my favor

[gaunt sigil]

My strategy to parse is to ignore mechanics and beg for PI

[runic hinge]

It’s 4k dps for me to use myth branch over heroic ashes and I just can’t be bothered to collect orbs

Might turn my 90 into a 92 but I’m fine with not using my brain

[gaunt sigil]

I think my sims are around a 6k dps loss but I don’t have as good of an ashes gearset as a branch gearset

[bright turret]

You can also balance your stats to where ashes is better, also a lot of people likely have 489 ashes and only 483 branch

[versed gulch]

Shame Ashes doesn't ramp up the AGI as the duration goes instead of the reverse.

[runic hinge]

I’ve been gearing more towards ashes because I don’t like branch

[spice surge]

I mean sure, but youre not at 7k of each

[gaunt sigil]

I really do need to get more ashes gear

[runic hinge]

No, definitely not

[keen spruce]

Ashes is a vibe

I kind of miss my stick

[gaunt sigil]

But I got a myth larodar ring for my branch set

[keen spruce]

But I’m not playing stick on tindy or fyrakk

[cerulean nest]

I ended up getting pretty good at using branch on tindral. couldnt cover the final tick on opener DM but good enough. every other DM is no issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2GQzzk5Ho

[subtle tundra]

i just proc cheat death on pull 50% of the time

i dont need cheat death anyways

if you die on tindral you just need to get better

[nimble zinc]

Does anyone here take any Aoe talents for raid bosses that have adds/cleave (like Tindral, Gnarlroot, fyrakk)? Or is caustic splatter good enough cleave ?

[gaunt sigil]

Real

The only fight I take anything but just spatter is council

I take IC and Spatter

[nimble zinc]

So caustic spatter on every fight? IC on council?

[gaunt sigil]

IC + Spat on council yeah

That’s what I do

[nimble zinc]

Also is it better to pop Shadowdance/vanish right before KB or on the last 6 sec or KB?

[gaunt sigil]

Well besides the pure st fights obv, I take Internal Bleeding on those

You do DM>Shiv>Dance>KB always

Vanish is on last 3 of your DM KB

Otherwise it’s just Shive>Dance>KB

Cause KB snapshots the night stalker buff from Dance

[deep knoll]

whats the on use for ?

useful?

[gaunt sigil]

So it just does +10% dam it’s whole duration

[gaunt sigil]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[gaunt sigil]

@deep knoll ^

[indigo mulch]

Meme dagger!

[gaunt sigil]

@deep knoll you select a type of target and use the active on it and you get a permanent buff

That you can change at will

[nimble zinc]

Right im thinking more so in raid if a boss takes 5-6 mins to kill. I’ll get KB 5-6 times but and shadowdance lines up with KB but Vanish is 2min CD like DM

[deep knoll]

alright thank you

[past forum]

I like how I had to do like 50 fall before getting my first Nick but now that I have one from great vault I’ve gotten like 6. It’s kinda nice cause I can optimize enchants for multispeccing, still funny tho lol

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah, Vanish is always on last 3 of your DM empowered KB

[deep knoll]

into what type do I use it for raiding ?

[gaunt sigil]

I used beast or mechanical when I used it

[nimble zinc]

Not to mention it benefits from the 30% crit buff from being stealth

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah but you’d only get the crit on the initial hit of KB not the bleed

That’s why we vanish at the end of our big DM/KB so we get the crit at its peak damage

[nimble zinc]

Yeah I feel like hero rotation tells me when to do that.

[gaunt sigil]

That’s why we don’t take something like Cold Blood

[limber lion]

wtf where details

[cerulean nest]

ask my frames

[cerulean nest]

dragon damage good

[river ember]

do toxic thorn footwraps oversim with signet brand equipped? i remember whispyr saying something like that at beginning of the season

i think

[fair stirrup]

When you guys get de-synced on DM and KB, say KB is ready to go but DM has 30 seconds left on cooldown, do you send the KB or wait to sync both spells?

[balmy condor]

What

[vast loom]

you know what you said

[balmy condor]

Definitely not that

I might be unhinged but not that unhinged

[spice surge]

Afaik the only way toxic thorn ""oversims"" is that its bugged and wont proc on absorb shields

[limber lion]

what kind of a mythic raider are you if you don't look at your details meter 24/7

smh

[runic hinge]

Depends on if I’ll lose a cast

[crisp pine]

Either my reputation as a certified keybricker has spread or people really don't wanna put up with assa rogue in pugs anymore
It might be time to dust off the old survival hunter fellas

[fair stirrup]

How high of keys are you pushing?

[crisp pine]

Not that high, like ~26

[fair stirrup]

I need to do better about memorizing the expected time to Jill going into each fight

[fair stirrup]

Would rather hunger vs subtlety or outlaw? Tbf, I have no idea how dmg in high keys compares cuz I don’t push keys mainly raid

[crisp pine]

Well I actually like survival
But I feel like that won't help my problem of not getting invites

[runic hinge]

Just looking at the bosses health can tell you a lot

[vale lantern]

is the cheat death still glitched on this

[tulip stratus]

i feel its hard to get into pugs with no brez lust or good way on dealing with incorp

[arctic socket]

That’s when you make your own

[frozen jasper]

Never dropped nick of time on the Main, today got it in two consecutive runs

[spice spire]

It’s not an actual cheat death, just a heal

[arctic socket]

!whispyr

Bro ain’t no way

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor wtf happened

BRing it back

[spice spire]

It’s a troll command. It doesn’t belong here unfortunately

[arctic socket]

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Get fucked nerds

[quiet oar]

No more! whispyr??

[spice spire]

Correct

[quiet oar]

Whats next?

Removing

?

[spice surge]

Yes, no fun allowed

Only serious discussions

[quiet oar]

Isnt that like impossible

In sin chat

Isnt sin second ot

[runic hinge]

Or is sin first ot

Because it’s higher in the channel list

[spice spire]

Real

[tulip stratus]

you guys team splatter or internal bleeding on fyrakk

[dark token]

depends if u cd collossi or not

[runic hinge]

I didn’t last week

So I should probably go ib huh

[river ember]

you said something along the lines of it will proc boots to heal instead of damage or some shit

[balmy condor]

thats just a general bug with the boots, but it's sim accurate

so idk

[river ember]

Oh i must have misunderstood

[balmy condor]

we found that out in 10.1

[keen spruce]

that's where i stopped getting invites on assas

[crisp pine]

Oh so it's just Joever at 26?

[quiet oar]

Thsts the case for key Level and age

[runic hinge]

[crisp pine]

Thank god I'm only 13

14 in may

[shy pecan]

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

I turned 26 last week and felt the decay

Bones crscking

Back pain

Neck pain

[crisp pine]

Ait don't scare me I'm turning 26 in like a week

[quiet oar]

You are in the grsve with 1 leg basically

[spice spire]

Amen

You old fucks

[crisp pine]

Wish I was in the grave with both legs

[quiet oar]

Quake is like an ancient relic

[spice spire]

?

[crisp pine]

and the rest of my body too actually

[spice spire]

Dog?

[quiet oar]

He is boomer

Fr

[spice spire]

So what if I just turned 30

[runic hinge]

30 lmfao. Basically dead

[quiet oar]

Life is joever

[spice spire]

Bro ur literally 3/4 years older than me

(I’m actually 31 fuck)

[runic hinge]

Yeah and I am dead

[past forum]

I’ve felt old since I was like 12 with bad joints and asthma so turning 30 was like w/e

[shy pecan]

I fucking hate some of you

[runic hinge]

Lmfaooo

Is it cause you’re ancient

[drifting jetty]

yoinking this emoji thx

[shy pecan]

I mean I can still keep up with kids outta just college in soccer

Just can’t sit at a desk for eight hours or play outlaw for a couple of hours without feeling pain in my wrists

[quiet oar]

I have pain in my wrist

[drifting jetty]

have you ever thought respecting wrist ergonomics?

[shy pecan]

Not worth it

[quiet oar]

But its Not the one for Button smashing

[shy pecan]

Plus I’d have to be in the outlaw channel

[runic hinge]

I need a new desk badly

[quiet oar]

Its the mouse wrist

[spice spire]

You don’t play outlaw because it hurts your wrists.
I don’t play outlaw because I’m a hater, we’re not the Same.

[drifting jetty]

[runic hinge]

And yeah my mouse wrist is the one that hurts. I think it’s just my desk tho

[quiet oar]

How about an Outlaw log

[shy pecan]

I also learned to play the chill specs

[quiet oar]

Ye

[runic hinge]

Been using the same one from Walmart since 2014

[spice spire]

I’ll ping solo

And don’t make me ping solo

Solo does enough

[drifting jetty]

make sure ur hand stays uhh, straight from the elbow all the way to the palm with no inclination in the wrist

either desk/chair issue

[shy pecan]

Yeah, has to sit through all the lunatics in outlaw

[quiet oar]

Thsts true

[keen spruce]

i'm 33

[shy pecan]

[runic hinge]

Hey same

[spice spire]

Literally dead lmfao

[spice spire]

Literally post dead lmfao

[shy pecan]

Stfu rude

[keen spruce]

don't mind the spec

look at this duck

[shy pecan]

Is it animated?

Aka does the dance

[keen spruce]

no

only tga files

blizzard livin in 2005

[shy pecan]

RIP

[quiet oar]

Shmeeps the pirate

I love it

[keen spruce]

i require io

[spice spire]

You should require some bitches

Fuck

[solar shoal]

silly question. is there a macro i can use to combine shadowdance and kingsbane for the opener? sorry if its sill question. i been tryin to search on line. one of the openers has SD and Kingsbane together..

[dark token]

you always macro them together

[solar shoal]

alright

[keen spruce]

here

I need to aquire io

try again

[arctic hare]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[spice spire]

You need to acquire some bitches too

[keen spruce]

damn

got em

[spice spire]

It’s okay you’re not alone king

[quiet oar]

And a job

Or did you get the job

Shmeeps

[keen spruce]

haven't heard back yet

oh nvm i did hear back

i didn't get it

[spice spire]

Damn im@sorry to hear that one homie

[spice spire]

That one I got

Blessed

[torn swan]

Hello there. Quick question: in M+, is the Sandglass much better than Pip's Badge?

[royal lantern]

sandglass in m+ is not good

pip is great there

[spice spire]

What the vulpera said

But louder

[torn swan]

That's what I thought, but of what I see in logs, many assa rogues are playing it instead of Pip, but having played Pip in M+ for a while, I felt more comfortable with it. THe mastery gain is dope!

[royal lantern]

you know the rules man

stuff gets ignored until a green/orange/purple name says it

[torn swan]

Truth has been spoken!

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/log-cabin-log-logged-get-logged-lolol-gif-20978297

[spice spire]

[austere lintel]

hey, can someone help me in finding out why Tight Spender sims 1k higher in ST then Imp. Ambush?

[runic hinge]

Because it does

It’s better

[spice spire]

Because it’s better

Improved ambush has simmed worse since like nerf 1

[austere lintel]

rip me

[runic hinge]

The blindside nerf

[austere lintel]

ty

[past forum]

I

forgot to change imp ambush to tight spender in my main raid build

[slate crown]

mmk foucault

[subtle tundra]

i like how the ambush cp feels so i still play imp ambush ;3

[subtle tundra]

who gives a shit about 1k dps

[fair stirrup]

Press the macro twice/just spam it till you know KB is up

[spice spire]

One might argue that I have no knowledge

Therefore no power

Head empty no thoughts

[main monolith]

hi , how can i put my talents interface like this?

[hasty gate]

so whats the best carve dagger buff to use in raid or m+\

[slate crown]

wait till u see their weakauras

[spice spire]

The duck man knows

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[spice spire]

Speed or cheat

[past forum]

Community decision to use Critter til we get buffed

[keen spruce]

https://wago.io/VZbilQXgb

[dark token]

Why tf

Would you talent away from valeera booty

Hello?

[keen spruce]

because duck

[dark token]

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

[shy pecan]

Hi Oxi

[mortal radish]

Hoping to get some feedback because I might be fightin for a mythic raid spot here. I played Sin on Council, T-swift, and Fyrakk. I totally screwed up T-swift because I stupidly started with no poisons and was stunlocked by my own stupidity. I'm sure there's a better parse for T-swift somewhere in my history. I played it on Fyrakk because I normally know the timings . . . with my group. This guild we combined with brought a lot more dps and threw off my timings. Thanks to anyone willing to give feedback. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2JnNFRfz46bM9gqj

[lucid rain]

you mean more valeera booty

[mortal radish]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[balmy condor]

Right off the bat I see tepid vers and no windfury

Brother

[mortal radish]

haha ya, we were combining with a guild to audition and figure out who would go on to be in the combined mythic raid

guess who put all their raiders in teh windfury group?

[balmy condor]

Nice

Second best windfury spec not in windfury

Pretty good stuff

[mortal radish]

Gems and enchants aren't going to be ideal either. I flex between all three specs depending on what's good/fun and I don't (yet) have the gear to have multiple gear sets for all.

[balmy condor]

Rotationally seems fine

Macroing your Igira dagger

Is really odd

But you do you I guess

[unique sorrel]

signet brand stays stacked as long as youre in combat, ye?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[unique sorrel]

for some reason my brain went "oh god flight part of tindral is gonna drop stacks"

[balmy condor]

Only thing I can complain about for the assa log is your tea usage is kinda not it

Seems really random

Sometimes the start of dm

Sometimes not at all

[maiden rover]

U lost a wf spot to either WW or unh???

[balmy condor]

It’s a heroic guild

What can you expect

[mortal radish]

lol I lost it to guild favoritism, I'm not stressed though

Ya Tea is easily my least optimized ability. I mostly just use it to maintain +150 energy in cooldowns for Sanguine

[balmy condor]

Yeah that don’t make sense

[mortal radish]

I feel like I don't when when to use it properly, I'll go back to your guide and study it

what am I aiming for? the end of Kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

Last 6 seconds of kingsbane yeah

The other 2 charges are for energy during your chain

[bright turret]

Man some raid leaders are wild, 2 rets in the windfury group but people keep telling me it's actually a loss or no difference

[mortal radish]

I think I still beat their rogue fight for fight most of the time. He's clearly a one trick Outlaw. Still, I hope we both make it to the final mythic raid roster. Would love to have a friend to push me higher.

[bright turret]

Also lol at the PI's. I think your guild just hates you

[maiden rover]

Tell them to read crusading strikes

[mortal radish]

He's a better Outlaw than me so he had me beat on Igira and Larry

Again, it was two guilds combning to see who goes on to the mythic roster and the two priests from my guild have their PI targets already.

Their priests probably favored their own people. We'll work it out for the final mythic roster, I'm not stressed. They seemed like a great group of people

[maiden rover]

Sounds like a bad start to a merger to me

[bright turret]

Best thing you can do is focus on getting really good at sin or sub so your gear can be ideally statted. If you don't hate how sub plays that'd be the one since you could care less about PI

[spice spire]

Blud you know half of the player base can’t read

[mortal radish]

I can and do play all three. I am annoyed by the different stat priorities between the specs. Like it was designed to piss of switch-hitters

[bright turret]

Yea but if you want to start Mythic prog and are competing for a spot, this is the tier to be specialized since all 3 specs are strong

Playing all 3 well is going to look worse than playing 1 great

Also outlaw hates mastery while sin/sub love it and creates gear issues

Then sin likes haste and sub hates it etc

[keen spruce]

if you're doing mythic prog you should play the game enough

to have some pieces of gear

to fill out all of the specs

stats aren't that important

[past forum]

Yeah jewelry can really make that easy

[keen spruce]

just find a few necks and rings

[bright turret]

That isn't really true unless you farm a lot of M+

[past forum]

Also branch hard carries mastery

[bright turret]

I'm done with prog and I don't have outlaw gear laying around

[keen spruce]

i mean yeah do a lot of m+

but like

[bright turret]

Now in the coming weeks you'll start getting extra stuff for crafting

[keen spruce]

i don't think it's an unreasonable expectation to have people play the game

if they wanna mythic prog

and play multiple specs

[bright turret]

But it'd be pretty easy to still only have gear for 1 spec aatm

Yea, but this is a unique tier. It isn't like past ones where ideally you play outlaw/whatever is best ST spec

Sub is straight up the best raid spec atm, and sin/outlaw are close behind it

There isn't a single fight where Outlaw will secure a progression kill better than the other specs

[keen spruce]

that's pretty normal

raid often favors burst

If sin went live in it's post-nerf state

pirate woulda probably been played on council or something

but like they only seem to do well on those 2-3 target cleavy fights like kurog

and by well i mean better than the other 2 specs

[bright turret]

Yea burst is always going to be better than a flatline

Sin/sub becoming much burstier in a raid where burst matters more than usual broke it

[static glacier]

from what I can see you can play sin decently, a few optimisations remain, whispyr already mentioned tea usage, one small thing you can improve is spells used under MA, ideally you want 1x gar + an envenom or rupture + ambush. In the 1st picture below if you'd delayed the rupture half a global you'd have gotten nightstalker snapshot. In the 2nd picture I doubt it's worth rupturing multiple souls since they die quite quickly / you break 4pc aoe dmg on envenom, especially since you then proceed to enter SD without envenom up, also the garotte timing there is v sad. outside of these try to plan ahead regarding KB / DM windows so you enter with envenom up. all in all a decent performance, you got this

[primal elk]

Reckon it’s worth playing catchup on learning sub for Fyrakk prog? Pretty much raid log exclusively/played sub in the past. Sin would basically be the comfort pick but I feel like dying sometimes without acro

[dark token]

Acro is REALLY nice on tindral and on fyrakk tbh

One of the major reasons I went sub

[primal elk]

Yeah I played sub initially til smold then we went 1 sin 1 sub and the other rogue is better than I am so I just stayed sin

But has been nerfed since

[balmy condor]

I can’t wait till tindral dies so I can go back to sin for fyrakk

[primal elk]

Sin was fine for us but we had demo, 2 dh and sub so hitting boss was good

Don’t think anyone else really hit aoe buttons

[cunning needle]

wait why cant you sin on tindral?

[jade carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bright turret]

acro is pretty unnecessary past p1

just p1 is annoying

[balmy condor]

Need more treant damage

[cunning needle]

ooooft

[balmy condor]

Is what it is

[cunning needle]

thats a rare one

not having enough aoe damage

[bright cipher]

Is the aoe for assa too slow or just not strong enough at that quantity size?

[balmy condor]

Yes

No kingsbane = no damage

[cunning needle]

assi isnt even that far behind on sub for treant damage

[bright cipher]

i see

[cunning needle]

unless you also need vine damage

[balmy condor]

I swapped sub just to check

And when I was playing it poorly with no clue what to do

I did comparable boss damage

And 2x the root/treant damage

[bright cipher]

i saw people talking about assa aoe today on aff chat, people wishing they had a version of caustic splatter for it

[cunning needle]

guess its sub prison for now then

[balmy condor]

It’s like raz season 1 all over again

Assa is fine but if the adds are a problem

It’s doomed

Now it’s just less doomed

[cunning needle]

even with all the reworks

[balmy condor]

But the spec is so cucked for kingsbane

That if you don’t have kingsbane

It’s basically same shit

[cunning needle]

meanwhile i've read 3 different RLs saying they need to make their sub rogues funnel into boss in the last 24 hours

[balmy condor]

Second roots platform 1?

Doomed

Assa does exactly 0 damage to those

[bright turret]

its gonna depend on your comp

if you have a competent lock, roots are handled

[balmy condor]

We do

He swapped aff

But we still got healers getting buttfucked by treants

[woeful meteor]

he plays aff so you can cut a healer

[river ember]

Why would you swap off demo on t swift

what was his reasoning

[bright turret]

i assume your rogues/you is using the blackjack tech?

[woeful meteor]

colour strats for prog

[cunning needle]

fuck that blackjack tech

getting 0 frames anyway

cant press shit

thank goodness we had 3 rogues and the assi could press it

[bright turret]

just need that 1 blind 😛

[cunning needle]

MUH DAMAGE

[balmy condor]

Ye doesn’t help

The healer ones are in Africa

[cunning needle]

how close are you to a kill?

[balmy condor]

We’ve seen like 30-40 seconds into third platform

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I could probably swap back to assa at this point but no reason to

Just gonna stay consistent

[bright turret]

already almost there

[cunning needle]

ye

you got this

[balmy condor]

Just need healers to stop dying

[river ember]

i actually swapped to assass for t swift cus it actually seemed not troll to play it

[bright turret]

before the nerfs p3 was the easiest by far

[river ember]

and i miss it

my raid team has stupid root damage so it didn’t matter

[balmy condor]

I’m very excited to go back to assa for fyrakk

Release me from sub prison

[cunning needle]

can't escape

[balmy condor]

We’ve slipped like a solid 200 world ranks from this shit

Cause we get halfway into the fight and 3/4 healers are dead

[bright turret]

just wait until your raid lead decides to try to do the max p1 milk which requires 2 sub rogues

[river ember]

I want sub and outlaw to get nerfed into the ground so i can just play assass and people not think im trolling

[balmy condor]

And we just bleed out lmao

[balmy condor]

Buddy you must not know who I am if you think my raid leader gets to tell me what I play you’re out of your fucking mind

[bright turret]

i respect it

i told my raid lead i refuse to play sub post rework and he was cool with it

[balmy condor]

As he should be

You’re the rogue not him

[river ember]

When will sub shake the perception it’s still a funnel spec btw

[woeful meteor]

never

[balmy condor]

Never

[woeful meteor]

[cunning needle]

i fight every day to try stop making Raid leaders tell their rogues to funnel

[balmy condor]

When will assa shake the perception that it needs restealths in m+

Same answer

Never

Community just has delusions in the general psyche

That will never break

[balmy condor]

Just how community perception works

[river ember]

I mean it’s been how many years

[cunning needle]

Fuck zul

[river ember]

like what in the fuck

[cunning needle]

so much

[balmy condor]

Been almost a decade

[cunning needle]

holy shit

I LOVE FUNNELING IN S3 SHADOWLANDS

WHERE THE WARLOCK IS DOING MORE AOE DAMAGE TO THE ADD IM FUNNELING INTO

[balmy condor]

But it’s just what the spec is known for to people who have no idea

And they’re not going to randomly stumble into something that says they’re wrong

[cunning needle]

i did rough napkin math, funnel vs non funnel is like 5 mill more boss damage

on tindral for sub

[balmy condor]

And change their whole world view

I made a whole ass 35 minute video to debunk that restealths matter

And the entire comment section is

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

“Nuh uh it matters”

Nothing to be done

People believe what they want to

It’s hard to change perception

[cunning needle]

tbh

a lot of it is also about feel

as in

feelsbad

but facts dont care about my feelings 😦

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean no one is arguing that you don’t lose damage from restealths

Objectively speaking with equal downtime you’re getting less usage out of your stealth talents