oh...
#assassination
subtle gyro
broken thicket
May I ask a question about pi on smolderon mythic there is a debate about to whom to give the pi (assa rogue,unholy,BM) and was wondering if there is a definite answer.
fickle latch
Where does sin stand now dps wise i would like to see the chart if possible.
keep having these guildies keep teling me we still are op as fuck.
dark token
keep having these guildies keep teling me we still are op as fuck.
good but not op
(in raid)
vestal wren
dark token
May I ask a question about pi on smolderon mythic there is a debate about to who...
bm or unholy if they cd intermission
assa on execute intermission
is the third intermission in execute i cant remember
havent done smold in a while
crisp sluice
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
crisp sluice
Hey guys, hoping someone could help me I just need a simple WA that pops up the envenom icon so i can help chain my envenoms better wwith a timer, let me know if anyone has
dark token
WM is like impossible as sin
shit dmg on thorns
shit defensives for thorns
why can mages immune it all
spice surge
Ye tree boss is awful as assa
vestal wren
obliderated the target
crisp pine
Wish they would obliterate me
royal lantern
WM is like impossible as sin
just feint all thorns and hope they kill them fast enough
dark token
nah it doesnt work
they live longer than feint duration
is this the one you want for WM
or this one
they both read like they would work
timber kelp
I saw assa was pretty dominant earlier in 10.2; coming back to the game now. Sub seems the way to go now from logs. Accurate or no? How does assa feel in m+/raid?
timber kelp
so not great in either?
timber kelp
Revert 3% nerf blizz <:suvidrAngry:869993962453221458>
ty
gaunt sigil
I’d say it’s worth playing in raid if you like it. But if you’re looking purely for throughput, Sub and Outlaw both outperform it in all scenarios
timber kelp
Thanks for the tip
I played a mix of assa and sub in 10.1, and sub always just seemed/felt better
gaunt sigil
I only really like Assa so I play Assa always. I flex outlaw for higher keys though
My brain just doesn’t function when I go sub so I don’t play it at all.
I have a huge lack of understanding of sub.
royal lantern
they live longer than feint duration
that was the joke
dapper moat
Hello all. Coming back from a longer break (6 years) and was wondering anyone here know a place to get a good listing what addons are required for doing high end mythic content on retail WoW? 🙂 going for sin rogue
royal lantern
well
DbM or bigwigs, whatever one you like more
and weakauras
are the 2 absolutely essential ones
dark token
I would go bigwigs, most high end raiders stopped using dbm
It's more configurable and better updated
royal lantern
i swear if somone now shows up and starts with either DBM or bigwigs beeing better i will kill them
MATE
I WAS LITEATLLY TYPING THAT
AND YOU DO IT
royal lantern
dapper moat
DbM or bigwigs, whatever one you like more
many thanks I had already forgot that only one is required. This curse app is also new and studying it as we speak. Many thanks.
Thanks guy. I really regret I quit years ago but now descided to come back after thinking about it some years. Its just bit frightening again specialy with the add-ons, this helped me a bit.Thanks. 🙂
shy pecan
i swear if somone now shows up and starts with either DBM or bigwigs beeing bett...
BW better
pearl mauve
can we reset bosses as assa ? Used to do it as mage (fireball > invi during travel time), tried with Poisoned Knife > Instant vanish but didn't work
grim jay
they both read like they would work
just play human 
raw moon
Another day spent in front of dummy switching between sin and sub to try and find out which one I like more
bleak sun
@pearl mauve why would you waste your vanish ?
dapper moat
Another day spent in front of dummy switching between sin and sub to try and fin...
never tried sub myself. Which you think have easier rotation?
pearl mauve
<@228551819666653184> why would you waste your vanish ?
?
raw moon
never tried sub myself. Which you think have easier rotation?
I think you can do some big brained stuff with assa and dot management is always hard to most people. Even in ST you cant forget to reapply the dots.
Sub has a lot going on in burst windows, but at the end of the day its mostly using gloomblade into eviscerate with hadow technique and rupture sprinkled in.
So assassin maybe harder on planning level and sub on quick decision making?
Just my opinion
oh and assa has snapshotting so higher skill ceilling
dapper moat
yeah remember being sometimes stressed out when doing harder content as assa. Hmm might actually now try sub instead for the first time
raw moon
I actually like the extra challenge. Especially in AoE tracking the dots. Feels rewarding when you do stuff right
might go with assa now that I talked about it lol
royal lantern
never tried sub myself. Which you think have easier rotation?
its a personal thing overall, you cant just say flat out "X is harder Y is more easy"
dapper moat
@raw moon do you have any bleed dot add-ons to track them?
royal lantern
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
royal lantern
@dapper moat
dapper moat
<@401334776356929557>
ty, checking them out!
raw moon
I havent aside from basic stuff like snd but Im seeing some of those WAs look useful
keen spruce
Tindral begin today 
slate crown
!up
prisma monolithBOT
shy pecan
Tindral begin today <a:ztmochatired:765175324879093780>
Good luck
runic hinge
Tindral begin today <a:ztmochatired:765175324879093780>
I'm only saying good luck because you don't have an OL pfp anymore
spice spire
Tindral begin today <a:ztmochatired:765175324879093780>
When
royal lantern
quake sending mental help :?
spice spire
keen spruce
I'm only saying good luck because you don't have an OL pfp anymore
but i do tho
shy pecan
Gottem
earnest remnant
@keen spruce when do you start tindral?
earnest remnant
Nah I meant when do you think anyone asked lol
there i asked
past forum
Nah I meant when do you think anyone asked lol
one of my coworkers hit me with that today, she's literally half my age and i'll never recover from the blow
past forum
based rogue behavior
royal lantern
yeha but now nobody can stop you
earnest remnant
oxi wouldve let it slide before anyway
shy pecan
spice spire
Yeah but now it’s mod abuse
shy pecan
woeful meteor
why do start at such a weird time btw isnt it like between 10 am and 2pm in NA rn
shy pecan
It’s the weekend
Raiding earlier in the day = time to enjoy nightlife or hang out with fam the evening
outer cairn
4 minutes ago
I need to watch and learn
spice spire
He’s too loose
keen spruce
I need to watch and learn
steum is up
spice spire
Self promo in chat
keen spruce
spice spire
Just ask @slate crown where that gets you 
spice spire
shy pecan
Just ask him if he’s killed Tindrel on stream and keep asking and being disappointed he hasn’t on day one
ivory elk
Hi, complete rogue noob here, is it worth pressing garrote if not buffed by invis?
rotund wagon
Does sap work like imprison where non stealthed people can walk past without getting in combat
slate crown
Just ask <@228712200385200130> where that gets you <:ReallyMad:93090850589077095...
It's true. look at me now I'm living out of a dumpster (SoD) and foraging for crumbs of entertainment (D3) while my achievements of the past fade to irrelevance (Aotc). I only did one hit of self promo and it ruined everything
shy pecan
It's true. look at me now I'm living out of a dumpster (SoD) and foraging for cr...
Time to be a palworld streamer
quiet oar
<:ReallyMad:930908505890770954>
He played outlaw for one try
quiet oar
Time to be a palworld streamer
Its acutally a fun game
slate crown
Is that the pokemon mmo
shy pecan
Is that the pokemon mmo
Ya
slate crown
Is combat turn based
quiet oar
no
slate crown
dark token
Is palworld actually good
crisp pine
It's Craftopia
but with legally distinct pokemon instead of animals and monsters like slimes
They literally just made the game they already made again
So it's kinda good yea
dark token
Interesting game
spice spire
It's true. look at me now I'm living out of a dumpster (SoD) and foraging for cr...
Ur so real for that big dog
strange python
Kinda sadge assa went backmidtable for m+, was looking forward at the start of season but meh.. playable atlast but after 26 is kinda meme
strange python
I guess I give it a go
pearl mauve
hey, main feral giving a try to assa, was wondering, is haste working the same as feral ? Increase Energy regen and dot tick rates ?
subtle tundra
oui
past forum
was just doing some alt weekly keys, and i ran into no less than 4 different ass rogues playing no iron wire cooks
shy pecan
RIP
past forum
we dont need to los this pack, the rogue can garrote silence them
not playing that talent
HUH
past forum
you're right i guess i'm just too beta to play their chad builds
keen spruce
no but we got to p2 a few times
broke the shield like 3 times
very happy
with day 1 proggies
spice surge
Sounds good 
keen spruce
I went from doing no bombs
to backing up bombs
to 1st bombs
but it kind of times out fine
with accelerated opener
KB ends, refresh rupture, go grab feather
runic hinge
Asian dad in me is like “I’m disappoint”
why not 2 kills
past forum
i watched brothers sun this weekend and idk i feel like michelle yeoh was more threatening as an overbearing asian mom than as a martial arts expert
thorn fjord
Asian mom is scarier than Asian dad
Hispanic mom scarier than all combined
shy pecan
shy pecan
gusty mirage
KB ends, refresh rupture, go grab feather
ye the tswift timings for assa are 
strange python
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
upbeat needle
is the aoe rotation just keeping spatter up and fan envemoning?
dark token
No
Depends on your talents
Generally prio is
- keep crimson tempest up
- keep spatter up
- if talented into scent of blood, keep 5 ruptures up
- during cds, keep envenom up
keen spruce
gaunt moat
no but we got to p2 a few times
that's real fast! nice progress 
royal lantern
ye, reaching p2 is not THAT hard
the hard part is reaching p2 with 20people
and maybe no CR used
keen spruce
I was only counting "p2" pulls as ones that we broke the shield lol
cuz sure you can get to the platform with 4 people
royal lantern
random p1 beam deaths will haunt you forever on this boss, dont worry man
or tanks fucking up the mushrooms
keen spruce
yeah we have very good tanks
but suspicious amounts of mushroom deaths
today
normally we just forget about our tanks and they never makes mistakes
or very few
keen spruce
yeah especially for the diagonal ones
keen spruce
i think
this will just be a lot of stupid p1 deaths
and p2 prog won't take too long
the 12 seeds and no doubles
makes it very ez
just getting clean p2 reps
will be the time sink
fallow canopy
p3 looks very scary
royal lantern
funny enough, if you get past p2, p3 is not such a big problem anymore
fallow canopy
I feel like I'm gonna die like 10 times flying with all the beams in p3
gusty mirage
I feel like I'm gonna die like 10 times flying with all the beams in p3
bribe of the off tank to do it
they literally have nothing else to do in p3
lol
storm forum
Damn I'm going to be there next week (probably)
blazing jewel
ASTRAL BREAK
keen spruce
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
earnest remnant
ASTRAL BREAK
break astral
storm forum
Wowee
quiet oar
ASTRAL BREAK
ASTRAL BREAK
keen spruce
BLAZING SKY
quiet oar
THE HEAVENS FALL
runic hinge
That’s my favorite line
desert inlet
can't believe they nerfed let fly
runic hinge
God I hope they don’t make us do DF dungeons again for s4
balmy condor
God I hope they don’t make us do DF dungeons again for s4
rumor has it that it's all of the DF dungeons
vestal wren
think the rumor comes from the season name
if the raid is re-visited, it could be that dungeons are too
steel ridge
God I hope they don’t make us do DF dungeons again for s4
well, it would be the first time all 8 (9) were in the same rotation
so in my book its absolutely going to happen
why wouldnt you send off the expansion with the actual dungeons for the expansion 😄
pseudo hamlet
It was the same in SL, wasn't it?
torn atlas
It would be kinda shit if it wasn't the DF8 tbh
Particularly since s1 didn't have us doing them all together
arctic hare
It was the same in SL, wasn't it?
nerp, SL had the first set of different dungeons last I remember
oak sky
It was the same in SL, wasn't it?
no they did a bunch of different dungeons
mechagon karazhan tazzy iron docks and grimrail depot
pseudo hamlet
Oh, that's right! Well, if they don't use any new dungeons I'd probably take a break. Cba doing once again the same thing for the whole season...
floral shoal
Whatever the dungeons are, please give us 10 instead of 8. Or even 12.
junior yoke
Whatever the dungeons are, please give us 10 instead of 8. Or even 12.
No ty. It doesn’t feel good to be 30 mins with insta rejects
8 better
junior furnace
whats the macro to cancel aura buffs?
balmy condor
/cancelaura
strange python
to step into a key without iron wire
Ehm.. I don’t play it in Tyrannical w/ AP build and Haste, most mobs don’t live enough for two interrupts
tulip stratus
DRH how did i get this debuff i thought it was only on the tank which was alive
second time its happened to me
arctic hare
It typically focuses the farthest person from the mob
wait, festering rip, sorry, was thinking of the cat dot
static atlas
Only doing +20s right now, but sometimes the tank pulls the next pack before we finish the current one so no chance to go back into stealth, I'm a NE and was curious how much of a difference does shadowmeld make damage wise being able to go back into stealth mid pull?
royal lantern
none
static atlas
even with Indiscriminate Carnage?
static atlas
I see I would have expected stealth was more important since you can use multiple garrote and it applies to multiple enemies
spice surge
Its more like this, getting restealth for you might increase your personal overall slightly but its not gonna make the key faster because the time you lost by not chaining the packs together is greater than the gain from your damage
royal lantern
and the gain is just not really there aswell
spice surge
Whispyr (one of the assa theorycrafters) made a video about it if you want the absolute full details
royal lantern
like, you dont go from 0 dmg to giga dmg cus of stealth
spice surge
and the gain is just not really there aswell
Depends on what you mean by "chaining", but yes, the gain is also smaller than one would expect
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Long In-depth explanation of why restealths aren't as important as you might think:
https://youtu.be/DoZDPFk_Zog
The TLDW (I understand, it's LONG):
- Garrote does roughly 14% of your damage overall in a key. This means from 100% improved garrote uptime to 0% improved garrote uptime, you would be losing 4.6% of your overall damage
- This is compounded by the fact that you simply do not lose that many restealths
- You still have vanish and in 10.2, shadow dance, which gives you MANY options to get your stealth effects
- This has been supported by logs and by simulations, for many years
static atlas
I'll take a look thank you
raw moon
Anyone tried swapping lightweight shiv for doomblade?
Consdering all the bleed dmg increase you get at bottom of the tree, wouldnt it do more dmg than having 2 charges of shiv?
pseudo hamlet
Not sure about that. The KB damage is really high and having +30% dmg for the full duration of it may be better than another bleed. 🤔
Nah, it's like >20k DPS less according to raidbot 
royal lantern
Consdering all the bleed dmg increase you get at bottom of the tree, wouldnt it ...
you realise that you need 2 charges of shiv to cover the entire KB duration right?
misty holly
Yeah but the first ticks of kingsbane do a lot less than the last ticks. So second shiv has like double or triple the value of first shiv
I wonder if raid bots adjusts play to work with only 1 shiv.
If it uses the regular rotation of shiv then pop kingsbane that is wrong with only 1 charge
royal lantern
ofc it will
like
never think you are the first guy that thought about that
and also in his example there
doomblade just doesnt really do anything
a bit bonus dmg on mut that sometimes gives a stack of lethal dose
woeful meteor
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
i rly like beast
woeful meteor
Demon seems insane for fyraak
pallid spear
i rly like beast
Isn't humanoid only 3% nature dr? Or is the tooltip wrong? Its supposed to change but everytime I tried humanoid it was the exact same tooltip
woeful meteor
cause it's shadowflame so fire+shadow it doesnt reduce 
royal lantern
if you take reduced dmg from 1 half of it, it just means you take full dmg from the other half instead
yes
aka
you reduce shadow dmg by 6%?
cool, so the full dmg is just fire against you now
aka it doesnt change how much dmg you take
royal lantern
winning once again
balmy condor
But behind the scenes, hybrid elements are just 3 bowls of spaghetti in a trench coat
So
royal lantern
^
balmy condor
Sometimes it works, very often it doesn’t
woeful meteor
I'm just gonna play it and check logs not like mechanical does anything now the cd is fixed
balmy condor
They had the same issue in Antorus with argus
gaunt sigil
Beast let’s you fall from insane heights which is really fun
balmy condor
That patch had some elemental stuff
And legit 0 of it worked until it got bug fixed
royal lantern
Beast let’s you fall from insane heights which is really fun
use beast as a rogue and play pandaren
half fall dmg 3x
balmy condor
I'm just gonna play it and check logs not like mechanical does anything now the ...
Don’t have to check logs, can already tell you it doesn’t work
Someone DM’d me about it like a month ago
woeful meteor
gaunt sigil
use beast as a rogue and play pandaren
Just with beast and rogue you can survive this fall
gaunt sigil
I'm just gonna play it and check logs not like mechanical does anything now the ...
When did they fix the CD?
woeful meteor
this week
balmy condor
<:Cring:879404698900262912>
Even funnier I’ll give you a pop quiz, if you deal Shadowflame damage, and something buffs all fire damage, how much does it buff the Shadowflame damage
Does it buff it:
- not at all
- half
- fully
balmy condor
Ah see, that’s where they getcha
Cause when you’re dealing the damage, it should be half, but it’s full
And when you’re taking the damage it should be half, but it’s nothing
gaunt sigil
spice spire
gaunt sigil
Rito plz 
balmy condor
Elemental damage could be such a cool concept this expansion
Could’ve leaned into it
And explored it
But nah
Jank city
Also they just be making shit up
“Shadowflame” was not a concept before 10.1
spice surge
I thought it was more of a case by case basis, but i didnt look into it that much so i could be wrong
gaunt sigil
Blizz pls revert 3% nerf 
balmy condor
I thought it was more of a case by case basis, but i didnt look into it that muc...
You’re right that it’s mostly case by case, but the cases tend to swing that way for whatever reason
spice surge
Since beacon was buffed by both assa 4p and sub shadow buffs
royal lantern
destro or demo lock, idk which one, did shadowflame dmg allready
upbeat needle
demo
balmy condor
warlocks used it
Did it do shadowflame damage or was it shadowflame flavor text
royal lantern
Did it do shadowflame damage or was it shadowflame flavor text
its wow tooltips
so the answer is
Yes
balmy condor
Fantastic
scarlet basalt
I wanna say warlocks got a shadowflame cone spell in cata?
fickle latch
Im hoping Blizzard buff sin in Aoe at least i realy loved the spec in M+ and its atm its getting way harder to get invites, while playing Outlaw its realy easy to be invited. Think they droped the ball with the rework made an awsome gameplay then they killed it.
unique sorrel
assa quite literally has a higher key timed than outlaw though
lean portal
few specs get invited in the game
assa is fine imo
ppl will just invite what they see on tierlists
unique sorrel
this week is rough for rogues of all flavors cause no dispel
balmy condor
how could assassination be good
this random tier list with the fancy font says assa unplayable dogshit tier
balmy condor
C is pretty much the.... hold on uhhh.... *A, so that's one.. after A is B, so that's 2..... wait shit S tier though..... But S comes after A.... fuck... okay so A is 1, then B is 2... So C is 3, carry the S....." FOURTH????????? HOLY FUCK SPEC GOT DELETED ON GOD ON GOD FR
balmy condor
the only thing that's a shame is the community being giga dent brained every time m+ is the topic of conversation
the average IQ drops by 35-40 points instantly
balmy condor
like legit every time m+ mentioned
it's gonna devolve into "but X tier list said"
or "but this streamer said"
gaunt sigil
Bold of you to assume my IQ is high enough to lose that many points
woeful meteor
assa quite literally has a higher key timed than outlaw though
HUH which key did sin time that law didnt
gaunt moat
how does the tindral opener goes?
balmy condor
sub has the only 31 atal dazar 
dead m+ spec btw can't cleave
balmy condor
how does the tindral opener goes?
gar rup amb snd dm
unique sorrel
HUH which key did sin time that law didnt
i lazy checked one of the funny tier sites
gaunt moat
thanks
balmy condor
gotta crush it out as fast as possible or your kingsbane won't line up
keen spruce
ye i was losing last 1-2 ticks
so i was getting the worst of both worlds
not full normal opener
and still clipping 2nd kb
balmy condor
that's hot
royal lantern
this random tier list with the fancy font says assa unplayable dogshit tier
excuse me, its called "swamp ass tier"
gaunt moat
gar rup amb snd dm
and we use accelerated because later it will aling better with roots?
balmy condor
roots and shield
balmy condor
yeh
2nd kb gets real spicy if you don't accelerate
and then it's not up for the shield
and it's doomed
balmy condor
last prison of the expansion
gusty mirage
my experience rn
oh that'll be your experience throughout prog
enjoy it
it's going to be a wild ride
wait until you lose an entire night's worth of prog cause people don't update their WAs
royal lantern
eh
we didnt even use any wa yet
trying to place the first 2 sets of puddles right rn
lmao
gusty mirage
we didnt even use any wa yet
it'll happen
when you start getting to intermission consistently
you're just going to absolutely tilt out of your mind
keen spruce
1st intermission
it's like echo bombs
except it's half of your raid
instead of 4 people
and the orbs sometimes just ignore immune people
gusty mirage
its okay they sometimes ignore the regular soakers too
I watched one fly right through one of our warlocks
lol
slate crown
Elemental damage could be such a cool concept this expansion
Spending 3k veiled crystals to get +20% cold dmg on my bracers great game
fallow canopy
Private Auras be looking like a tough boss
balmy condor
Spending 3k veiled crystals to get +20% cold dmg on my bracers great game
I said could be such a cool concept
slate crown
xD
gusty mirage
Private Auras be looking like a tough boss
yeah private auras need to go
it's fucking annoying
keen spruce
they seem to only exist to bother mythic raiders
storm forum
+% nature damage my beloved
gusty mirage
it's just an unnecessary extra step
because WAs will be developed to counter them regardless
keen spruce
yeah i mean if you make an unplayable mechanic
gusty mirage
it solves absolutely nothing
keen spruce
then people will find a way to not play it
gusty mirage
I want to the person who designed fyrakk to write an explanation of how they expected fyrakk mythic intermission to be played w/o a WA
keen spruce
i want the people designing mythic end bosses to be able to kill them themselves before releasing them
fallow canopy
I want to the person who designed fyrakk to write an explanation of how they exp...
surely 20 shit flinging monkeys can coordinate this
prob
gusty mirage
i want the people designing mythic end bosses to be able to kill them themselves...
wdym p3 tindral during RWF was totally doable
5 abilities cast within 7 seconds
just do the mechanics bro
gaunt sigil
Blizz revert 3% assa nerf plz I promise I won’t complain about anything anymore 
Just make my spec stronger 
Assa is unplayable compared to other rogues 
Make Assa great again! 
balmy condor
damn
gusty mirage
if you ever want to laugh, just go look at a tindral vod from RWF
and look at the boss timers
lmfao
gaunt sigil
Lmao
fallow canopy
smells like fresh pasta
gaunt sigil
Freshly made
balmy condor
felt my bones shrivel up inside my chest on that one
incredibly painful
well done
gaunt sigil
Tyty
keen spruce
gud boss
keen spruce
mass unstuck
storm forum
I love the feeling of needing to throw up and boil myself alive when I read things
balmy condor
re-log didnt work for anyone
new hidden mythic mechanic
royal lantern
we all need to leave the group
and wait 1min to get booted from the raid
while dead
so we can release
keen spruce
zeross guild also stuck
balmy condor
brother
balmy condor
storm forum
Grats, you hit XXX wipes, you failed, the emerald dream is doomed forever.
gaunt sigil
Imagine
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> well, we wiped and now cant release
you have to just wait
gusty mirage
cause everyone gets stuck in combat
keen spruce
gusty mirage
if anyone's alive tell them to jump off
vestal wren
if anyone's alive tell them to jump off
rude
balmy condor
Grats, you hit XXX wipes, you failed, the emerald dream is doomed forever.
if there was a wipe limit on bosses the entire TW/KR region shard would collapse overnight
gusty mirage
yep
now you just wait
you might have to disband group
and reform
very cool bug
balmy condor
skyline already in shambles
you mean the 60 people in a 20 person raid-group-trench-coat?
storm forum
Jesus
gusty mirage
their 237 on smolderon was impressive
storm forum
If I had 966 pulls for thr whole raid
balmy condor
237 on smolderon makes me ALMOST want to not laugh at them
storm forum
I might go insane
gusty mirage
didn't you just start on tindral?
966 pulls for the whole raid are very possible my friend
lol
storm forum
Shhhhh
subtle tundra
p2 tindral before 5 second seeds was insane, think we managed to do it like 5 times before the nerfs came in
gusty mirage
p2 tindral before 5 second seeds was insane, think we managed to do it like 5 ti...
we managed it like
twice
and I started to think the boss was unkillable
ngl
subtle tundra
i think we could've killed it like that just would've been an enormous pull counter
500+
subtle tundra
under 200 for fyrakk 😎
gusty mirage
thursday was a wonderful night
gusty mirage
took us 200 pulls to even see p3
I'm taking a break after this boss dies
no shot I'm jumping right in to reclear after we kill
sweet dawn
!track
subtle tundra
our p3 pulls were 27% -35% -19 -29 -21 -33 -17- 26 -15 -16 -45 -28 -18 -1.3 - 0.8 - kill
gusty mirage
our p3 pulls were 27% -35% -19 -29 -21 -33 -17- 26 -15 -16 -45 -28 -18 -1.3 - 0...
the classico 45% wipe due to stupid
subtle tundra
shouldnt even count as p3 smh
also that 1,3%
was extremely deep into p3
like so deep
would've been a kill if we had ok dps
gusty mirage
me in p1 rn @subtle tundra
subtle tundra
i love pilav
subtle tundra
dont forget, STOP DAMAGE is the only reason assa was good on fyrakk
cause if p1 dmg mattered, sub would be strictly superior
gusty mirage
idk if assa is still the play after the last nerf ngl
subtle tundra
not my problem anymore!
gusty mirage
TRUE
midnight mist
idk if assa is still the play after the last nerf ngl
I heard it was an outlaw boss
subtle tundra
(folyr got to lvl 70 yesterday and today had a weekly done)
keen spruce
I heard it was an outlaw boss
bug abuser 
midnight mist
yes and
gusty mirage
I heard it was an outlaw boss
outlaw is very good on fyrakk
esp for prog
and if anyone disagrees sit on it and spin
keen spruce
it's not an outlaw boss. it's an SnD for 20 minutes before pull boss
vestal wren
outlaw tier 👀
gusty mirage
the sticking point in p2 are the adds
midnight mist
outlaw tier 
gaunt moat
gar rup amb snd dm
would it be be better to snd first and rupture after sp rupture doesn't drop off during KB?
keen spruce
runic hinge
its always an outlaw tier
gusty mirage
balmy condor
would it be be better to snd first and rupture after sp rupture doesn't drop off...
nah
gaunt sigil
Ok so is tight spender really the play? I seem to do more damage with imp amb but sim higher with TS
gaunt sigil
Like energy isn’t an issue, my sims got me at like 28% haste, assuming mostly due to signet brand
clever sapphire
so you are telling me you are noticing haste
gaunt sigil
Well my energy rarely drops below 140
Improved ambush has felt better for me keeping Envenom chains through refreshing Rupture
Maybe I’m just bad though ngl
Skill issue at that point
clever sapphire
i mean i have no idea how your energy rarely drops below 140
gaunt sigil
It just doesn’t, idk what to tell you. That’s what 28% haste does to a fucker?
gaunt sigil
Aug + wft doesn’t boost energy gen that much does it?
balmy condor
wft through dashing
but it's minor
but like do whatever you want
haste doesn't fucking matter
gaunt sigil
Yeah, sims got me running double haste runes n shizz so
balmy condor
tight spender is better
90% of people still don't play it
cause they're idiots
it is what it is
400 dps difference will never be noticeable
gaunt sigil
I’ll have to experiment with it more, it just has felt worse to play in my experience
balmy condor
shouldn't really feel like anything
the only thing that should change is your ambush generates 1 less cp
gaunt sigil
I’m not saying I’m right, but I just like the more CP from amb
balmy condor
ye
gaunt sigil
Does it just attribute to more sang uptime and that’s why its better and sims higher?
balmy condor
sure
it's not really that deep, the energy it saves is worth more than the couple cp ambush would give in a fight
gaunt sigil
I see, I will have to try it more honestly, I just denied it cause I liked the cp more.
It makes sense
gaunt sigil
I know it sims better 
I simmed jt on my character months ago but continued to run imp amb
Ok I wouldn’t say months, more like a month
nimble zinc
tight spender is better
I literally just switched to tight spender in raid last night. I was noticing myself running out of *energy and tea charges when I was Envenom chaining.
gaunt sigil
12/06/23 was the sim date to be exact
jade carbon
Could someone explain to me why the ambersoul trinket is used much more often than the branch? Is the main reason for this is ease of use? What do you prefer and why?
balmy condor
I literally just switched to tight spender in raid last night. I was noticing my...
okay?
gaunt sigil
Mostly just movement heavy fights and ease of use
I only ever use Tea during CDs regardless of if I am running out of energy outside of CDs
balmy condor
so you just don't use 2 charges?
gaunt sigil
I use 2 Every DM window and 1 on every other normal KB window. I make sure to end fights with none left
nimble zinc
Question: my current 2 trinkets are Ashes and Mirror. I typically pop one of them on pull before I start my rotation from stealth. Then the other one when it’s available.
Is there a better time to pop these trinkets? Like right before DM/KB? Or during the last 6 sec of KB?
gaunt sigil
Am I?
balmy condor
well you're making a conscious decision to play incorrectly
so idk
sounds like trolling to me
gaunt sigil
I’m usually not wasting energy with them if thats what you mean, is it just bad use scenarios
I thought it was kinda big to use them in CDs for the mastery if you can help it
I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time!? 
arctic socket
Question: my current 2 trinkets are Ashes and Mirror. I typically pop one of the...
Correct thing to do would be get a proc trinket n not two on use
balmy condor
Question: my current 2 trinkets are Ashes and Mirror. I typically pop one of the...
you'd pop one of them with DM and the other on KB without dm, but realistically you should be farming a passive trinket cause double on use is gigashit
nimble zinc
I thought it was kinda big to use them in CDs for the mastery if you can help it
I’m rarely using tea for the mastery buff, mostly for energy regen
nimble zinc
you'd pop one of them with DM and the other on KB without dm, but realistically ...
Yeah I want better trinkets.
balmy condor
I thought it was kinda big to use them in CDs for the mastery if you can help it
it's a very minor min-max to use tea on the last 6 seconds of kingsbane
otherwise it's not worth using for mastery
like it's BARELY worth it on the end of kingsbane
gaunt sigil
Is the mastery just that minuscule?
nimble zinc
Yeah I want sandglass
balmy condor
the mastery isn't really small, it's just the energy is really good
nimble zinc
Would I benefit from a giga haste or mastery buff like during my KB window?
arctic socket
Would I benefit from a giga haste or mastery buff like during my KB window?
Mastery buff is nice since it buffs your kb window, but if you’re meaning which in use to use between ashes / mirror it’s ashes
gaunt sigil
I’ll have to double check my self but I don’t really know of a time that I so desperately needed energy outside of windows. Cause in windows I am just dumping out Envenoms as opposed to chaining
storm forum
Question: my current 2 trinkets are Ashes and Mirror. I typically pop one of the...
Ideally, we use 1 on use trinket and 1 passive trinket. Typically if you have 2 on use, alternate them with 1 on DM/KB and other on solo KB. But specifically with mirror, you could use it 10 seconds before DM/KB and then have both mirror buff and ashes buff for the last 10 seconds of DM/KB but I will call you a psycho.
balmy condor
I’ll have to double check my self but I don’t really know of a time that I so de...
outside of windows you should definitely be running low on energy if you're chaining
nimble zinc
outside of windows you should definitely be running low on energy if you're chai...
Yeah chaining outside of KB is when I use the most energy
gaunt sigil
I haven’t really been running out though, I’ll have to double check my logs by I’m usually pretty good on energy
balmy condor
would be the first assassination rogue to do that
gaunt sigil
I always have WFT, Aug and I have high haste if that makes that big of a difference
But I doubt it does
balmy condor
unless high haste means like 115%
gaunt sigil
So I’m starting to question my sanity
storm forum
Do you have 120% haste? Cause I think you need over 100% haste to not run out of energy
gaunt sigil
Nah just around 30% usually since I got signet brand haste sims much much better
30% buffed not base
balmy condor
yeah that's not gonna do it
arctic socket
Signet brand is a sim bait if you have fast kills
storm forum
Do you have tea macro'd into something?
nimble zinc
I think I’m only around 22-24% haste ATM. would having at least 30% prevent me from running out of energy quickly during envenom chains?
balmy condor
it's only simbait if you're stupid enough to sim 5 minutes and then ignore the fact that you're killing it in 2
arctic socket
I think I’m only around 22-24% haste ATM. would having at least 30% prevent me f...
No
balmy condor
I think I’m only around 22-24% haste ATM. would having at least 30% prevent me f...
would make exactly 0 difference
storm forum
It's not even better for me on 5 minutes lol
gaunt sigil
Is there a good way to see an energy chart on WcL?
arctic socket
it's only simbait if you're stupid enough to sim 5 minutes and then ignore the f...
You would be surprised the amount of people thsg have that problem
stone forge
single target doomblade or dashing scoundrel?
balmy condor
Is there a good way to see an energy chart on WcL?
table, resources, drop down on the top left
balmy condor
single target doomblade or dashing scoundrel?
dashing by a mile
doomblade is OMEGA bad
stone forge
that explains it
storm forum
Is there a good way to see an energy chart on WcL?
Yeah, select yourself and go to resources and drop down to, yeah what whispyr said
balmy condor
doomblade's purpose is to gatekeep bone spike and sepsis
if doomblade was a real talent then sepsis and bone spike would be perma played
storm forum
Doomblade is +1 lethal dose stack
nimble zinc
I mean I’m only like 458 but I have 4pc with about 32% crit, 22% haste, about 45% mastery with 2x hissing runes. And like 15-18% vers. I’m hoping to get mastery at least 50% and maybe crit 35% ish. Should I keep the verse or get more haste?
nimble zinc
Kk thanks man
storm forum
balmy condor
actual gif of me
storm forum
It's been a while since I got value from that gif
fallow canopy
actual gif of me
what's more reocurrent in your dreams, BiS lists or stat weight questions?
storm forum
But yeah, don't focus on stats for us. Just sim yourself.
gaunt sigil
This was my best nymue
balmy condor
what's more reocurrent in your dreams, BiS lists or stat weight questions?
neither because the moment they show up it's not a dream anymore, it's a nightmare
balmy condor
This was my best nymue
yeh looks reasonable
storm forum
We like stats, great big balls of stats, and the balance of them is very minor and likely to change for like any reason depending on ilvl, enchants, trinkets, etc that are different for everyone.
gaunt sigil
I don’t feel like I had to use tea there for any reason
past forum
Should change the channel name to “Assassination - STATS ARENT REAL THEY CANT HURT YOU”
gaunt sigil
So I just send in CDs
balmy condor
unlucky
gusty mirage
Should change the channel name to “Assassination - STATS ARENT REAL THEY CANT HU...
please no
then the bot stops working
and I get pinged
storm forum
I sometimes send 2 on solo KBs if I pool badly
balmy condor
wait the bot checks for channel name
gusty mirage
yes
gaunt sigil
I’m still pretty new to Assa so I’m just trying to learn here
balmy condor
jesus
gusty mirage
what channel id
gusty mirage
you think the discord apl supports that
past forum
@gusty mirage i have 69 haste 420 mastery should i use a 216 dagger or a 395 axe in my main hand and also should i use mark of the satyr on my neck or greater agility?
storm forum
gusty mirage
I know it does
you know that's not how the bot works
you've seen the spreadsheet
hello?
balmy condor
?????????
storm forum
Is this why we can't !vibe here?
gusty mirage
that's above my paygrade, I'm only here to hit on stealthi and bully shmeeps
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
arctic socket
balmy condor
spreadsheet "assassination" -> code says "assassination" = id -> bot sends message to channel id
storm forum
I'm a fan of stat weight simming
gusty mirage
I'm just letting you know what happened the last time we changed the channel name
balmy condor
gusty mirage
all the commands reverted to the global versions
past forum
unlucky
gusty mirage
this is what !wa turned into
shy pecan
arctic socket
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
past forum
i mean that will definitely take you to some rogue weakauras
gusty mirage
true
past forum
i wanted to make a WA that would play a clip of Limp Bizkit's "Rollin" whenever the conditions to KiR were met but I don't play that spec enough to do all that work
runic hinge
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
storm forum
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
!whispyr
gusty mirage
someone remind me to delete that
prisma monolithBOT
gusty mirage
actually I'll do it now
royal lantern
we need a oxi command aswell
gusty mirage
giving zac access to make commands was a mistake
past forum
irl outlaw
storm forum
!oxi
sweet dawn
on nymue mythic, do we kingsbane even though the shield is coming during the duration and just leave to go kill add?
runic hinge
Wow
storm forum
Wtf
gusty mirage
on nymue mythic, do we kingsbane even though the shield is coming during the dur...
you hold it for the add
you guys can get as mad as you want, but adding commands to a channel just to troll is annoying as fuck
and hopefully young zac will learn not to do it again
storm forum
But trolling in class discord is my reason d'etre. Without that I'm nothing.
woeful meteor
@blazing jewel do you have a vid of your fyraak kill?
balmy condor
you guys can get as mad as you want, but adding commands to a channel just to tr...
I remember when green names couldn't add commands
(they still aren't supposed to be able to)
(they do it anyway)
gusty mirage
actually on your villian arc rn
seems to be the case when I step up and actually enforce rules around here
ig we been on our villain arc since 9.2
spice spire
ig we been on our villain arc since 9.2
Real
gaunt sigil
on nymue mythic, do we kingsbane even though the shield is coming during the dur...
I personally do an accelerated opener so I can use my second Kb before shield comes up and then have DM shortly after add
But it’ll likely be up to what your group needs. The difference is minor from what I see on logs
sweet dawn
ty guys
manic coral
any tips for branch on tindral?
gaunt sigil
I’ve seen some people pop it before DM on the accelerated opener to pick up before the first beam drops, the rest of them are pretty easy to use iirc
manic coral
i legit outrun it every single time on pull
gaunt sigil
I’ve been using my ashes gearset for myth tswift though
So I can’t say much more than that
With confidence
nimble zinc
just sim yourself man
ran a quick sim, says i can do 147k single target dps over the course of 6 mins, at only ilvl 458 with 4pc. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rffV17LezhpA5z2PMq9ZDT Based on this I should probably be using corrupting rage phial, along with mainting a group that has all the raid buffs (windfury, battle shout, etc.)
gaunt sigil
I’d prolly just take a min lookin at Lorrgs.io and just seeing when people are using branch, it may be better to early or late cast depending on what’s happening
royal lantern
mate you are 20 ilvl under what actually is good gear
gaunt sigil
At 458 you just wanna get your ilvl up before you worry about optimizing much
nimble zinc
mate you are 20 ilvl under what actually is good gear
yeah i raelized that lol. i just boosted this toon a week ago
royal lantern
yeah i raelized that lol. i just boosted this toon a week ago
but man
your weapon has kingsbane as name
nimble zinc
your weapon has kingsbane as name
yeah i thought that was metal AF when it dropped during TW Ulduar
grizzled elk
is there an advanced sim input for all weapon runes?
gusty mirage
is there an advanced sim input for all weapon runes?
#tc-research message snag the weapon portion of this and slap it in an advanced sim
grizzled elk
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/266712108861751296/1182033859433...
ty!
gusty mirage
should be at the very bottom iirc
hollow mango
Hello, quick question is mastery still the most desirable 2nd stat atm?
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
hollow mango
thx
arctic socket
Hello, quick question is mastery still the most desirable 2nd stat atm?
Long answer, no you should always sim your character to see what’s best for you, short lazy answer, mastery goo burr bleed,poison biiig
hollow mango
Long answer, no you should always sim your character to see what’s best for you,...
ah okay thanks
im struggling mid fight at the moment, burst i can compete with other but my damage falls off in the middle a bit more than normal trying out different things to change that 😅
bright cipher
Elemental damage could be such a cool concept this expansion
I also think its a bit of a shame that damage types/spell schools are kind of a forgotten element of the game.
There is a lot of mechanics on it like Damage mitigation and damage amplification, but even effects who are like "+X% damage to Fire" many times end up just being a whitelist with preselected spells that its allowed to affect or not.
balmy condor
yeh
arctic socket
im struggling mid fight at the moment, burst i can compete with other but my dam...
Your damage is going to fall off from your burst window because of how sin is just a burst class
bright cipher
True chaos damage for exemple, is a spell who is capable of ignore most forms of mitigation because the damage calculation always use the lowest resistance to mitigate the damage ( so if you are immune to physical yo uget damage as magical attack, if you are immune to magic it gets taken as physical damage)
arctic socket
Best thing to help your damage over the course of the fight is having good energy / chain management
bright cipher
its also why, almost no spell is true chaos damage anymore =x
hollow mango
yeah i know, its just that other rogues with less gear sometimes can hold more damage, im probably screwing up energy and rotation
bright cipher
chaos bolt nowdays is actually prismatic (all magic schools except holy)
royal lantern
can we agree that dmg types just dont matter 90% of the time?
bright cipher
but at the same time, i also not sure if we should go back to something like classic-cata era where you had resistances and in some fights you had to use specific gears to meet some amount of elemental resistance to X to survive the fight
gusty mirage
I mean it's not inherently good or bad
runic hinge
Yeah, bring back resist pots instead of flasks
runic hinge
They should delete parry since they deleted expertise
bright cipher
I don't remember what was the boss who did a cool thing where he summoned some elementals and they were immune to damage outside of specific elements
and you had to kill them before they reached the boss
storm forum
Did enemies ever have damage resists? Or did blizzard at least know that would have been fucking dumb?
gusty mirage
Did enemies ever have damage resists? Or did blizzard at least know that would h...
yeah firemage was unplayable in molten core
runic hinge
Lmao you couldn't play fire mage in classic
storm forum
Damn
storm forum
and you had to kill them before they reached the boss
Oh shit I think this was argus
I was on the nature add
bright cipher
Did enemies ever have damage resists? Or did blizzard at least know that would h...
they never did something like "oh its a golem as such its immune to poison damage" or "its a fire elemental and so its immune to fire damage"
but Viscidus is..close
slate crown
They did, elementals are immune to bleeds and poisons
slate crown
Yeah
gusty mirage
mechanical bosses were immune to bleeds
rock elementals as well
runic hinge
shred was still positional
runic hinge
it was bad times
slate crown
First boss in BFD right now is an elemental, so you take off poison runes and flip to using daggers instead of bleeds from saber slash, and ignore envenom
bright cipher
They did, elementals are immune to bleeds and poisons
they were? man i must have forgotten
gusty mirage
tbf that was actually useful back in the day
the immune to bleed thing
cause of the debuff limits
bright cipher
but yeah, going to that point is bad
but i swear, i don't remember what was the boss but i know it was in legion
runic hinge
as was backstab
they made this game too ez, catering to casuals. smh my head
bright cipher
and that basically you separated the raid in positions according to their damage types to kill the enemies
gusty mirage
they made this game too ez, catering to casuals. smh my head
back when the game was harder
smh my head
slate crown
and that basically you separated the raid in positions according to their damage...
This was argus I think, he spawned mobs around the room
and each of them had vulnerabilities to damage types
gusty mirage
I'm pretty sure mythic tindral casts more abilities in p1 than the entirety of molten core combined
royal lantern
back when the game was harder
a REAL MMO
runic hinge
royal lantern
with SOCIAL CONNENCTIONS
gusty mirage
with SOCIAL CONNENCTIONS
ngl that's the only nostalgia I miss
royal lantern
nowdays you just queue up for raids and thats it!!!!
gusty mirage
servers felt like a home
slate crown
nowdays you just queue up for raids and thats it!!!!
laughs in raid logging
royal lantern
eh, that was cus back then things like social media didnt exist oxi
bright cipher
This was argus I think, he spawned mobs around the room
yeah, doing that is a cool way
bright cipher
but not "oh you can't deal damage" type of effects
runic hinge
Imagine 30% of your damage being tied to a 12 second debuff with limited globals as it was
bright cipher
or like 2 bosses, one is immune to physical, one is immune to magical, that one is also cool
royal lantern
not really
thats bullshit
cus you realise how dmg is spread in classes now?
lol
there is almost none "Pure phsyiscal" or "pure magical" class
like, how is assa supposed to work
when bleeds are physical
and poisons are magical
and thats for almost all classes in this game
stop with this weird "make dmg types matter" nonsese mate
they stopped it during frking classic cus it was stupid
bright cipher
there is almost none "Pure phsyiscal" or "pure magical" class
so, think you might have missed the part where i mentioned that damage mitigation is always done following the lowest resistance
if you have an attack who deals physical+shadow for exemple
raw moon
not reading that essay
royal lantern
i know that
bright cipher
its get taken like physical
storm forum
It was fine on Argus cause the timer to kill stuff was pretty generous and the adds were a minor part of the fight. But yeah, a whole boss with that would be sus.
royal lantern
It was fine on Argus cause the timer to kill stuff was pretty generous and the a...
AND it was a normal/heroic only mechanic lol
like
on mythic where stuff matters? didnt exist
bright cipher
but i agree that in case of classes who deal like physical and magical separated it would be a problem
one who i didn't consider
royal lantern
the problem is that only 3 or 4 SPECS do only physical dmg type
fury/arms/outlaw/mm
everyone else does mixed dmg
to various degrees
its why the DH debuff is such a giant raid dps gain
storm forum
Like we're constantly talking about how raid spots are too restrictive. Adding a boss that further restricts spots based on damage type would be pretty silly.
royal lantern
almost all classes gain something from it
royal lantern
Like we're constantly talking about how raid spots are too restrictive. Adding a...
that aswell
royal lantern
why is wft not raid wide
wft raidwide and for all shaman specs
its so weird that its not that way
runic hinge
ele forever shunned
storm forum
And we always talk about how unintuitive and difficult to understand some boss mechanics are. So if there was some under the hood shit that gave certain specs damage Amp to phys or magical parts of their kit for that fight, it would also be really silly.
gusty mirage
having to replace your totem is so troll
storm forum
I was going to say I think it would be cool if there was like, +% element damage enchants you could use as an alternative to +stats, but now that i think about it, that's basically just mastery enchants for 90% of classes
bright cipher
I was going to say I think it would be cool if there was like, +% element damage...
Shadowlands had this on beta
but they reworked it afterward
i can dig around to find it later
storm forum
Don't worry about it
bright cipher
doing key rightnow
