assassination

[royal lantern]

thats why most make a wrist

[jaunty dew]

ye i just got a myth track wrist

so wanted to replace it

[thorn fjord]

Can always put it on belt

[jaunty dew]

True enough

[stone forge]

i'm a middle player not CE or so i like the story should i go for the boots with the rotten patch or go double mastery?

[frank jay]

do you play other specs?

[gusty mirage]

or mail

[stone forge]

there's only one true specc

[royal lantern]

arms?

[spice spire]

Real

Love arms

[shy pecan]

Arams?

[tawny geyser]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8KWqQ4rDZ6BLgyhH#fight=17&type=damage-done

Ayy my 1st 99, happy 😄

[stone forge]

assasination ofcourse

grats

[keen spruce]

[stone forge]

8 shivs in 3:35

[spice spire]

Yeah 2 for each kb

[spice spire]

Ur wasted CP

[royal lantern]

QUAKE LOG REVIEW MOMENT

[stone forge]

but KB is on a minute cooldown

[keen spruce]

there's not even that many

[spice spire]

I see a log

I check basic things

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

if boss is about to die and you cant get another kb out

[spice spire]

12 is 3 envenoms big dog

[royal lantern]

just use tea/shiv

[spice spire]

That’s enough to

[keen spruce]

i should check mine

[royal lantern]

mate

i waste so much CP

i know it

[spice spire]

That’s the easiest thing to fix

[keen spruce]

i'm real fast and loose

with my CP usage

[spice spire]

Especially since we don’t finish at max-1 now

[royal lantern]

REAL

[spice spire]

Max - 2 helps fix a lot of oppsies

[keen spruce]

ok i expcted worse

[spice spire]

But it doesn’t matter when mfs have 60%+ devotion buffs

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

It should be 0 outside of seal fate

[keen spruce]

ik

but i expected worse

[shy pecan]

24 CP WASTED OMG

[keen spruce]

8

seal fate no count

[spice spire]

2 envenoms wasted

Seal fate is something you can’t play around

So I will literally never point it out

[stone forge]

yeah but how do you even if the boss is about to die it's still 4 mins the boss lasted only 3:38

[shy pecan]

I’ll play around you

[stone forge]

i'm a novice btw hi

[spice spire]

0 - 1 - 2 - 3

That’s four kingsbanes

[keen spruce]

wait but also

[spice spire]

You don’t start at 1

[keen spruce]

if you're right before a deathmark

and you're on 4cp

sometimes

u gotta send a builder

for full env uptime

duing KB

[spice spire]

Krill issue tbh

That’s a corner case issue

Not a standard thing

[keen spruce]

you're a corner case

surely

these 2

were for a deathmark

[spice spire]

Kinda like the whole dm lethal dose thing with kb

[keen spruce]

how did I waste a CP on a shiv

[eager solstice]

anyone running lariat yet?

[spice spire]

Krill issue shmeeps

Krill issue

[stone forge]

yea i was thought to build up garrote,s rupture into one garotte to get SnD if still some free garrote left use that one mutilate into DM with SD macro with kingsbane included

[royal lantern]

my problem is like

you know how in the opener we want a 5cp envenom?

[stone forge]

max dick

[royal lantern]

im REALLY good at getting 2cp mut->2cp mut for that one

[spice spire]

Yeah that’ll do that

That one sucks ngl

I see it all the time and I’m like damn

Reminds me of MA crits not happening on muts in shadowland

[keen spruce]

I wonder

[spice spire]

90% crit 2cp muts

[keen spruce]

what the math is

on 4cp opener dropping env for a gloabl early in KB

[stone forge]

you can mutilate mutilate shif DM SD+KB into shiv

[keen spruce]

vs losing CP on extra builder

[spice spire]

That pushes dm too far out iirc

If you’re setting up to envenom immediately after kb

[raw moon]

I just switched SB for doomblade and sin feels crazy good to play now. How much % dmg did I lose realistically?

[tawny geyser]

But nontheless I did good?

[keen spruce]

you env before

[spice spire]

Yeah sequencing was crisp

[keen spruce]

on standard opener

but shiving before DM

[spice spire]

Read what I responded to

[keen spruce]

oh i missread their sequence

ye you'd drop env

[spice spire]

My feel craft ( DO NOT DO THIS DATA DOES NOT BACK IT UP ) is that shiv before isn’t too bad

[stone forge]

at what point do we take wafting over sophic

[spice spire]

By design you drop the DM LD literally nanoseconds before the final tick of KB unless you hit perfect globals. So I think if you’re latency is bad enough could be a gain

[spice spire]

When it sims better

[stone forge]

oh ok

[spice spire]

Not a smart ass answer: sorry. That’s the actual answer

[keen spruce]

you can also just run one wafting one sophic

if you do m+

[stone forge]

yeh i undersand

[keen spruce]

and it tends to balance itself out

[stone forge]

true

[keen spruce]

maybe not optimal in either

but like

not significantly worse either

[stone forge]

well it could balance out my ashes

[nimble zinc]

is there a limit to how many times KB can stack?

[vagrant hearth]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[keen spruce]

i think it's 99

iirc

@thorn fjord y are u pepelaughing at me

come in here and fite me

[stone forge]

does murlok.io give a wrong sense of our BIS gear because they are pushing high keys?

also is signet of titanic insight better than the ring with the TP?

[thorn fjord]

im a lover not a fighter

I'LL KISS YOU

[keen spruce]

looks like another poopy pants aggregation website

[keen spruce]

they're the same

literally the same

one just has a tp

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kittens-kitten-cat-cute-cat-gif-7309452916863172056

[keen spruce]

for funsies

[subtle gyro]

Is that evening a thing? I mean, once we have a 4 set, we really only focus on Envenom Timing anyway right? Am I wrong here?

[stone forge]

what is the most reliable source for out BiS list

our

[green apex]

Looking at Nyume logs, this is the #2. No SND till 20 seconds in (didn't have buff on pull) 👀
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wnTrKvNyPGFWA2CL#fight=34&view=timeline&type=casts&source=10

[royal lantern]

bis lists dont exist in modern wow

there are best trinket

and some exceptions like nick of time dagger

rest is "what you get and sims push out"

[keen spruce]

bis lists are a lie

just aquire loot and sim top gear

if, for some reason, you want to know what the highest simming gear set is (only when you aquire every single piece exactly as it is on the list) then just check wowhead

[stone forge]

ok i dont have embellishments yet, what do i got

[keen spruce]

safest bet is

toxic thorn shoes

and a toxic patch

on either wrist or belt probably

[ebon quest]

can anyone explain why we want the agil/crit gem instead of the agil/mastery gem if mastery is our most important secondary?

[keen spruce]

you gem whatever the sims tell you too

but the sims will probably not have you gem mastery because you get so much of it from your witherbark branch

so you don't need to have as much on your gear

[ebon quest]

ohhhh that make sense

[keen spruce]

if you run ashes instead sims will probably want you to get a lot more mastery

[ebon quest]

yeah i have a branch so crit it is

[runic hinge]

What if sometimes I sim with ashes because I’m feeling lazy that week and sometimes I sim with branch because I think I can parse

[vagrant hearth]

should i in smolderon pop first deatmark on pull or wait until first intermission

we lust on 3rd intermission

[royal lantern]

iirc its just use on pull and then use on CD

and it should be up for 3rd one again

[keen spruce]

yes

[royal lantern]

but not 100% sure

[vagrant hearth]

okayy thankss

[keen spruce]

rip on pull

KB first intermission

2nd DM on CD

2nd KB right after 2nd intermission

3rd DM with lust and 3rd intermission

that one will need to be held for like 15-20s

then KB on CD

and you can squeeze in one more DM at the end if you're going to enrage

[vagrant hearth]

nicee perfect ty man

[keen spruce]

i think technically

if you have perfect 2x Aug and PI

then it's better to have 2 DMs during intermissions

but no one has that anymore

[vagrant hearth]

ye i dont have either anymore xd

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[thorn fjord]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[ember mural]

!bis

[waxen oyster]

branch+nick of time

[thorn fjord]

Damn retro screen shot

Nice

[spice spire]

Have a ton of them

[thorn fjord]

That DH pissed he got gkicked or what

Shoulda taken screen shots @royal lantern

[ember mural]

The great pokemon Gen 2 debate

[thorn fjord]

Gold is the play no?

i think i had silver tho

[ember mural]

Go ask Guy

[royal lantern]

dont know the context anymore

[thorn fjord]

S3 tier for sure

Pooling is 👎

[royal lantern]

the time when outlaw was only 900APM instead of 1000

[ember mural]

@gusty mirage meow

[royal lantern]

still so true

running out of screenshots

[spice spire]

Real

God im so real for that

[gusty mirage]

hidden blades being a "capstone"

[thorn fjord]

Is an Avocado a fruit?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/snoopy-giggle-chuckle-lol-gif-10387775907180119940

[spice spire]

Here’s two randoms

[gusty mirage]

randeez nuts on your chin bud

[spice spire]

I might

[gusty mirage]

now that stealthi is orange

I can disappear into the night

and no one will notice

[thorn fjord]

thats a damn lie

[gusty mirage]

dog I didn't type shit in here for like 2 weeks

no one noticed

[spice spire]

I did

I just yap to you

[ember mural]

I always notice

[storm forum]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[thorn fjord]

I sent you a Happy new year dm and you never replied 😩 @gusty mirage

[earnest remnant]

He replied to me

[thorn fjord]

Wait I just checked I never sent it lol

[gusty mirage]

there's plenty of reasons to hate me

why make things up

[subtle tundra]

who even is stealthi

a noone

[gusty mirage]

my husband

[subtle tundra]

YOU are oxi.

[gusty mirage]

I stand by that screenshot

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

TINDRAL DEAD

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

FUCK THE 2 SUB ROGUES

ASSA REMAINS #1

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

sounds like they need to bind buttons

[royal lantern]

nah

i did bombs

they didnt

[spice spire]

Parse check

[royal lantern]

[arctic socket]

How’s that ret so high

[keen spruce]

tryan do you guys private log

was that u guys

[shy pecan]

You’re not first… disappointed

[keen spruce]

also congrats amigo

[royal lantern]

yes

sadly

dont need to see my 11 parse

[keen spruce]

but we can see that you play vulpera

[storm forum]

Devoker strats hidden

[thorn fjord]

Smold dies for us tonight and i get to look forward to swifty hell

[storm forum]

I think I'm missing smold kill tonight

So I geared sub for nothing and I'm going straight to swifty hell

[thorn fjord]

Playing sin on swift?

[storm forum]

Yeah

Well, I want to

[thorn fjord]

I’m sticking to sub more than likely

[spice spire]

Based even

Big sim doesn’t want you to see the vulpera line

[storm forum]

If roots are a problem we'll make our OL swap to sub, and if they're still a problem then I swap to sub too

But if they're still a problem, maybe our RL goes devoker and I go back sin

And we just live without an aug

Cause our other aug got shot or something

[thorn fjord]

Imagine getting shot

[spice spire]

Right?

[storm forum]

If you can't fathom getting shot, it can't happen to you

[keen spruce]

We had a raider in Uldir shoot his neighbor during raid

cuzz the dude was trying to break into his house and attack him

talked to the cops on break

and finished raid

after

[thorn fjord]

Fucking Chad lmao

[storm forum]

Duck man what the fuck

[keen spruce]

so fkin based

actually

[thorn fjord]

We had a dude who had two Polynesian mobsters show up at his door

But they were at the wrong door apparently

[storm forum]

Classic

[thorn fjord]

Guy has cerebral palsy too so I can just imagine their faces when dude opened the door

He talks like Walter whites son

[spice spire]

Jesus

[thorn fjord]

Can you imagine knocking on a door to rough someone up and then small white kid opens the door with a speech impediment

🤣🤣

Wrong apartment guys

Lmao

[arctic socket]

You have a diverse raid team

[spice spire]

Lil bro didn’t raid with someone who claimed he was a cat

[runic hinge]

I can fathom getting shot. Is it gonna happen to me

[storm forum]

Yes

[arctic socket]

I raided with some mega degens apparently

[storm forum]

80% chance of shot

[tawny geyser]

What talents are we running on Council - can someone share?

Mythic*

[arctic socket]

What’s talent build was the dude running when he shot someone, was he outlaw? Got a between the eyes proc?

[tawny geyser]

Got all high logs except that fight..its emberassing

[arctic socket]

Or fan proc

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/35#boss=2728&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&externalBuffs=2

I’d go with the talent breakdown here

[spice spire]

I had to ban meowing in voice big dog

Imagine how bad it is

[thorn fjord]

Council is an rng roll for parsing

I can’t parse that damn fight

[storm forum]

I think we're mostly playing the m+ cleave build but putting the point in Iron Wire into something else.

[thorn fjord]

You just play IC and splatter

[fallow canopy]

just duck around and use it as an excuse, works for me

[runic hinge]

I’m not even gonna play ic this week. Feels wasted

Like one in 5 dances it lines up that two bosses are together lol

[balmy condor]

What the fuck

Is this

Why did I get a push notification

That people are yapping

[thorn fjord]

Moroes missed you?

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

Discord releasing features not on mfer asked for

[spice spire]

Bro discord is trying to get you to yap more

[tawny geyser]

Thanks, appreciate the effort.

[quiet oar]

show boss dmg

[arctic socket]

Meow, Nya~

[spice spire]

Infinitely worse

[arctic socket]

Why did it have to be me

[spice spire]

Ur yapping

[balmy condor]

Idk

[spice spire]

Bro

[arctic socket]

I’m tapping?

[spice spire]

Autocorrect man

[arctic socket]

Sus quake

[spice spire]

?

At both

[low quartz]

Is there a case to be made for Bandolier (mythic) being better than Branch+Timeglass (Hero) in a M+ environment?

[thorn fjord]

Not for sin

[spice spire]

No

[low quartz]

Bollocks hahaha ok ty

[clever sapphire]

quick question, can signet stacks drop on tindral?

[storm forum]

Yes

Your DoTs can reapply them, but it's not consistent

[clever sapphire]

cause my warrior is arguing that he did 2 tindral kills with it on hc and the stacks never dropped

according to him

as warrior

so im just hella confused

[storm forum]

idk, but the logs I've seen they drop for rogue pretty often

[clever sapphire]

how can you tell where they drop

is it just the buff running out?

[storm forum]

Iirc we checked buff uptime yeah

On mobile so I don't wanna dig in logs atm

[clever sapphire]

random log, but its this right

[storm forum]

I don't remember

[clever sapphire]

aight

thx anyways

[native belfry]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[thorn fjord]

Damn so do I play sub or sin on swift

[true tusk]

ey mates, what's the best build for st and aoe?

dance for st and arterial for aoe? maybe?

[runic hinge]

Do you get pi

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[storm forum]

If you think you have enough root damage, go sin. If you think roots will be a problem go sec tec

That's my take on it

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I don’t think we need the root dmg

I’ll just tell my RL that

Sin at start and swap if we need the root dmg

[storm forum]

Sin good execute damage and good shield damage

[thorn fjord]

I imagine we’ll be platform 1 for atleast a month lmao

[storm forum]

Sin doesn't need to be inside the boss's asscrack to use sec tec

[thorn fjord]

But you’re still up in it without a do

Acro*

Also branch sucks to play with on the fight too from what I’ve read here

[storm forum]

Ashes gang

[thorn fjord]

Been running ashes regardless haha

[storm forum]

Let's goooo

[dusk sun]

Is it tru u can cloak the ashes debuff

[runic hinge]

Not anymore

I think it was on ptr

[storm forum]

Haven't tried, but an immunity usually has better uses than +400(?) haste outside of your CDs.

[runic hinge]

It’s like 700

[storm forum]

Mm, yummy haste

[runic hinge]

I have like 28% rn. Kinda wild

I be stabbin so fast

[storm forum]

[keen spruce]

i got a myth ashes and figured i'd need to regem and swap a neck out

to fix my mastery

was ready to do big sims

[low quartz]

I feel like my damage should be higher than this, anyone see any glaring issues?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zx1HgvMYhBDrZPjF#fight=49&type=damage-done&source=34

[keen spruce]

at that ilvl

[quiet oar]

Big gains

[keen spruce]

with no PI

and basically no aug

seems about right @low quartz

[low quartz]

Hmmmm ok

Is sub the new king, they seem to be smashing shit atm

[keen spruce]

sub was always pretty much as good as assas

especially after the first nerf

and they're self sufficient

well don't need PI at least

[vast loom]

no WF is pretty tho

[spice spire]

Your second kb window didn’t crit on the final tick and you should have vanished on the final kb imo

Nothing g egregious tho

I can look more later but I kinda looked at the five common things

[runic hinge]

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/log-ren-stimpy-gif-18050633177369619965

[spice spire]

[past forum]

Guys i just got rank 10 dps parse on gnarlroot

On my pres evoker

Lol idk what the fuck mr rank 1 was up to but he did like 135k

[spice spire]

[outer cairn]

hmm. don't like branch on tswift pull. moves before can get orbs

wonder if should accelerate open or hold till first move

[keen spruce]

just play ashes

[outer cairn]

i mean i ahve it

don't you use it like 2-3 seconds into kb?

[keen spruce]

i think you just bind it to kb

but technically 2-3s in is better maybe? iirc

idk

[outer cairn]

yeah i think. i'd just bind. i have it. on champ track cause i can't get either higher

but need to upgrade it

[thorn fjord]

Yeah about 3s after sending Kb

[drifting cloud]

think that was before kb nerfs

you can just bind it to kb now and its less than 0.1% loss I believe

[outer cairn]

i try it for this boss. once i can go upgrade it. just orbs is a pain to snag

sub blasting me on open but overtake on roots

yeesh

[amber fossil]

I see our rotation has shiv before KB, wouldnt it be better to use shiv x2 AFTER KB?

[drifting cloud]

no, it wouldnt

[outer cairn]

you keep the shiv debuff up durign the duration of kb to bump its damage

[amber fossil]

" each time a lethal poison is applied KB increases 20%"

was just thinking it would buff to 40% if shiv x2 was used after

[arctic hare]

the shiv debuff doesn't stack unfortunately

at least afaik

[amber fossil]

its last 8 secs, so it can be used 2x during KB, which lasts 14 secs

[spice surge]

Shiv is not a lethal poison

[amber fossil]

ohhhh!

well trhat explains it lol

[balmy condor]

Also you would miss the buff on the instant hit of kingsbane

Which does good damage on its own

So that’s double bad

[amber fossil]

rgr that, ty guys

[nimble zinc]

does anyone run aerterial precision in keys?

a friend was telling me its really fun to pop shiv > crimson tempest on trash and watch it all bleed to death

but i havent tried it

[outer cairn]

yes. the arterial shock build runs it

basically the bleed build

higher keys i think cleave is the way to go

[nimble zinc]

is there an example of that build somewhere?

[outer cairn]

wowhead

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[nimble zinc]

i think i grabbed my M+ and raid builds from wowhead

[spice surge]

If you go beyond the "cheat sheet" on the wowhead guide they list all of the builds you can use for m+

Theres not really a universally "best" one, as it depends on the situation like skadoosh said

[outer cairn]

yep. playing optimally and staying alive is what gives you damage with any of these builds

but, higher keys is where you'll get the most value on kb especially fort with the cleave build because they don't all just fall over

[unique sorrel]

im having a brainrot moment, whats the tldr fast opener?

just skip rupture yeah?

[balmy condor]

skip rupture, skip envenom for even faster

so like gar rup mut snd dm

would be the fastest

[unique sorrel]

gotcha thanks

trying to line up 2nd kb on tindral a bit better with roots

[past forum]

does evasion do anything against the tank cleave on igira? i lived for like 15s as a faux tank, i pressed evasion but idk if it even did anything

[balmy condor]

nop

[past forum]

just built diffy i guess

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ttEzJRC9oyXposyT7fLMcz

should i be simming this low

or what

[gusty mirage]

yes

cause you're using ashes

slap branch in there and see the number go up

[thorn fjord]

branch isnt much more of s bump

[runic hinge]

That’s pretty much what I sim too

[thorn fjord]

branch is like .4 higher

for me

[runic hinge]

At 485

[gusty mirage]

.4% of 200k dps

is a big number

but yeah

[thorn fjord]

im not gonna run branch on swift tho

[gusty mirage]

assa sucks

idk

[spice surge]

Too many nerfs, spec taking big Ls

[gusty mirage]

I mean you're playing assa on tswift

idk what to tell ya bud

[thorn fjord]

im simming close to 240 in sub lol

all good ty

[gusty mirage]

sub is just objectively better for the last 3

and objectively better for the first 6 now too

except for council

[runic hinge]

Not if I’m objectively worse at it

[spice surge]

Yep, and then they nerfed assa by 3%

[gusty mirage]

you can objectively get better

[granite widget]

that is by definition subjective

[gusty mirage]

make big number go bigger

I believe in you tony

and so does stuart

just pull the plug on it man

the assassination you loved 1 month ago is gone

[gusty mirage]

and auto attacks by 4% iirc

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

whoever does midpatch balance is actually smoking crack

[thorn fjord]

I’m playing sub on smold so I’ve already got the stuff down

[gusty mirage]

timing is cringe for sub on tswift

[thorn fjord]

Still not comfortable with vanish CDs after the initial first two rounds

[gusty mirage]

if you plan on playing it

[thorn fjord]

I’m gonna try sin first since I’ll have PI

[gusty mirage]

esp if you're a feather fucker

[thorn fjord]

We shall see

[gusty mirage]

ok gotta go back to wiping on fyrakk

gl ily

kill boss

[thorn fjord]

It does tonight

[spice surge]

Get first autumn and your stuff is no longer 2-3 seconds of

[thorn fjord]

Dies

[gusty mirage]

I asked our hpal and he was using it for freedoms iirc

so I told him I'll figure it out

[spice surge]

Unluck

[runic hinge]

[past forum]

i asked for autumn to see how it felt when playing the hacha special last patch and then i guess i've just been getting it ever since lol

[balmy condor]

[past forum]

bruh at asking for autumn or for playing the demonic hacha build? either way yeah....

[cedar yoke]

Hey guys, if I'm planning to play Both Assa and Sub Rogue in Raid, do I just get 1x Wafting 1x Sophic on weapons?

Or what's the best option

[past forum]

best you can do is sim for each and decide which is the more acceptable loss for you

[cedar yoke]

Made a char recently as an alt, so there's a lot of gear I can get too, sims might change due to new gear

Just wanted to know if someone has experience in that, but i'll do it yeah

[balmy condor]

realistically the difference between enchants like that are a min-max that you shouldn't worry about

[cedar yoke]

Went with Sophic & Wafting for now

I guess the solution is just to farm the 3rd dagger 😂

[gusty mirage]

#1113808016773480489

[arctic socket]

Oh

[spice spire]

Unknown

[royal lantern]

wdym feathers

need only 3 people for them now

you stay down and end the fight with 15-20million more boss dmg then everyone else

god that spec is so broken

[subtle tundra]

I'd rather do feathers

Can't rely on the pesky little raiders

[quiet oar]

For which Set of CDs is that

[earnest remnant]

1st shield

[quiet oar]

[storm forum]

friends, my guild didnt kill smolderon while I was away, im back in jail, send help (pet pics prefered)

[royal lantern]

no pets for Pics

[storm forum]

[storm forum]

thank you so much 🥲

life is good

im going to play sin on smold for the first 15 minutes next week

[runic hinge]

I hope you kill it

[storm forum]

ty me too

i wonder if i can handshake my RL

[desert escarp]

Hiya friends. I’m new to assasination rogue and rogue in general. I only do keys (never rly raid), but I’m determined to play sin only bc I like the playstyle. I’m having trouble applying my dots in big pulls. From my understanding (I hit 70 today and did 2 keys so not much understanding) you wanna come out of stealth spreading garrote and rupture. And each time u cast it u wanna cast it on a target that doesn’t already have it (I assume the indiscriminate carnage will spread it to another mob that doesn’t have it) so in that split second between globals, are sin rogues finding a nameplate that doesn’t have a dot, and clicking it? Even with stacking nameplates I find that hard af. Is there a WA that highlights the mobs that don’t have bleeds or something?

[balmy condor]

carnage smart targets

so you can just hit the same mob

not really a big deal

[desert escarp]

But don’t u miss out on a garrote?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[desert escarp]

On a pull of like 12 mobs isn’t that a big deal if u basically cut ur garrotes/ruptures in half?

On a pack of 5, it’s probably not a big damage loss

[balmy condor]

well you would gar gar gar rup in that situation

so in perfect conditions

you'd get 9 garrotes and 3 ruptures

and if you just braindead slam the same target

you'd get 7 garrotes and 3 ruptures

so

kinda whatever

[desert escarp]

So In an opener, ur first 3 spellls are garrote (3garrotes), garrote (5), garrote (7 garrotes now) then rupture (3 ruptures)

[balmy condor]

given that many targets yeh

or you could be a sweaty gamer and try and click a target that doesn't have garrote

to try and get one extra garrote off

and then need to click back to your prio target for cooldowns for your caustic

[desert escarp]

So it seems like garrote maybe not worth it, but next rupture. Probably worth it to swap targets

[desert escarp]

Yah that’s what I’m struggling with. It’s tough to do all that so quick

[balmy condor]

nah that next rupture it whatever too

you'd only ever rupture again for energy, or if you're playing scent of blood

and if you're playing scent of blood hitting the same target again with rupture would give you 5

[desert escarp]

I think I am playing scent of blood

[balmy condor]

which is max

[desert escarp]

True

[balmy condor]

and if you need energy no the fuck you don't you just hit 3 garrotes

[desert escarp]

I have another question. Am I doing something wrong or don’t have enough haste (2400), bc when im doing single target on bosses I have moments where my gcd is up but I don’t have energy for my next spell. Is that a rotational issue or just how sin works in single target

[balmy condor]

that's how sin works

haste has little to no effect on that

you'd need like another 5000 haste to get even a noticable difference

and even then you'd have hella downtime

[desert escarp]

For single target is the entire rotation just keeping up slice and dice, garrote, and rupture, while spamming mutilate and envenom?

[balmy condor]

we did the math earlier to have no dead gcd's you'd need like 121% haste or something

well you maintain gar/rup

[runic hinge]

Sick. I know what’s bis now

[balmy condor]

slice and dice maintains itself

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[balmy condor]

and then you follow those rules

for envenom

[desert escarp]

Ahhh

[balmy condor]

kind of a shame that resource management is such a dead concept in the game

assassination is like one of the last remaining specs

clinging onto resources matters

[desert escarp]

So there’s times where u can cast a spell but u are just waiting?

[balmy condor]

while all the other specs just full slam

[balmy condor]

correct

[desert escarp]

Honestly single target feels pretty boring as sin lol

[balmy condor]

the goal is to make the longest chain of envenom uptimes that you can, clipping the envenom into the end of the last buff

it's slower and more methodical

[desert escarp]

Does rupture and garrote roll like devouring plague? Like the remaining just rolls onwards if u cast it when it’s already on?

Or do u just lose the remainder of that rupture if u recast it when it’s not done?

[low quartz]

I dunno, I feel like I can sorta throw endless envenoms atm

[runic hinge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[desert escarp]

So if Garrote has 5 seconds left when I cast it? I lose no damage?

[lament dove]

you can use TAB, usually if you tab twice after the first garrote you'll find a target which doesn't have garrote yet, and with SHIFT+TAB you go backwards between targets

[desert escarp]

What’s the number on rupture if u have it

[runic hinge]

Rupture’s duration depends on combo points spent

There’s weak auras that will glow when you hit pandemic

[desert escarp]

I would like that. I’ll search that up!

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[runic hinge]

That’s a good place to start

[storm forum]

you can do the math yourself too

[storm forum]

LMAO

fine ill do the math for you

[desert escarp]

Is it possible to isolate certain WA without taking whole group?

[runic hinge]

I think so for some of them but idk how to do that

I use luxthos group pretty much as it comes

[desert escarp]

Is it ui as well? I just don’t any ui changes lol

[storm forum]

Rupture Pandemic Thresholds:
@4 CP (20 sec): 6 sec
@5 CP (24 sec): 7.2 sec
@6 CP (28 sec): 8.4 sec
@7 CP (32 sec): 9.6 sec

[lament dove]

but pandemic is like 30%, so if it's below 1/3 on the icon on your target so it's not that hard to notice imho

[runic hinge]

It’s not gonna change your bars or anything it’s just gonna put some icons in the middle of your screen

[desert escarp]

Ooo thanks!

We have 7 cp?

Am I crazy, we don’t have 6?

[runic hinge]

When you use the talent echoing reprimand

You can get a 7 cp finisher

[storm forum]

yeah, the blue combo point counts as 7

[balmy condor]

or play one of the other specs

sub for example has 7cp ruptures

[runic hinge]

What other specs

[balmy condor]

feral

[raven flower]

Oh yeah it shouldn't look like the shadowlands ability anymore should tryit for fun

[runic hinge]

[desert escarp]

What y’all think of sin’s powerlevel? In keys how does ur damage typically compare? We have shit tons of utility. But how’s our damage?

[storm forum]

We're strong enough, a lot of priority damage which is good in most of the dungeons.

[raven flower]

Could be worse

[runic hinge]

It’s good. You don’t do crazy burst but I feel like I do pretty well overall

[raven flower]

Spatter was a great addition

[runic hinge]

Lower keys are tough because everything dies too fast for dots

[storm forum]

yeah spatter + 4 set is pretty pog atm

[raven flower]

Interested to see what the new hero talents are like

[runic hinge]

I hope we get second kingsbane

[raven flower]

Jailerbane

Procs from bleed effects now too

[runic hinge]

Maybe 3 poisons

[desert escarp]

How do you compare to mages in your keys? They feel solid middle of the pack

[raven flower]

Aren't mages either giga or middle depending on how you pull

[runic hinge]

Depends on the mage and the key but I have been beat by like 2 all season but maybe I’m just bad at inviting them

[desert escarp]

Most mages suck

[balmy condor]

that seems like a pretty broad paintbrush

[desert escarp]

Most mages I play with aren’t very good*

[runic hinge]

Double shiv uptime and double shiv charges so we get full ap uptime thank you and good night

[desert escarp]

U.gg has sin rogue damage average very low.

But I’m hearing that we aren’t that bad

[runic hinge]

I mean I think sin rogue in keys in relatively hard-ish

And using data aggregation to judge a specs power level isn’t necessarily indicative of how it can be played and what it’s good at

[storm forum]

we need a lot of ramp time to burst, so we lose to most of the other good dps in overall who can just blow up little adds (sand guys/slime guys in mega dungeon, spiders in BRH, etc) but our damage pattern is very good starting in medium high keys (priority targets get scary, packs last longer than 20 seconds).

[balmy condor]

but tony, it's a very pretty webpage full of search engine words to try and farm clicks and ad revenue

what do you mean

it has to be right

it's got shiny colors and shit

[desert escarp]

That’s how I feel as a spriest. Those pack just suck

Atleast sin rogue isn’t target capped on caustic spatter and crimson tempest

[desert escarp]

Dhs just just blast burst that so quick

[storm forum]

yeahhhh

sometimes i play with an aug and another burst spec

[runic hinge]

I’ve been playing spriest in keys and I just don’t invite bm or dh

[storm forum]

and those things live for more than 10 seconds, and we PUMP

[desert escarp]

I’m seeing in all the guides that the only trinkets they recommend are pips, branch, and accelerating. What are some other competitive trinkets? Or are the others not competitive with those 3?

[storm forum]

crab trinket from throne is good too

[runic hinge]

Ashes and crab

[storm forum]

I like using mirror in M+

[desert escarp]

Yah I play with a lot of fire mage as spriest and it’s nice to not have things insta die?

[runic hinge]

Yeah it’s great lol. I do the same sometimes on rogue too. I just like when my dots get to tick

[desert escarp]

But havoc so op and brings chaos brand so I suck it up and play with them

[desert escarp]

Word

[desert escarp]

Is that the 3 min trinket?

[storm forum]

yeah

[desert escarp]

Just use it once every 3 shadow dances?

[runic hinge]

You want branch or ashes and then a passive trinket

[storm forum]

on use + passive trinket

branch and ashes line up better with DM

mirror is nice if it lines up with DM, but sometimes i also just slam it with dance on a bigger pull, even if DM isnt up

often times CDs are desync'd in keys anyways so its fine

[runic hinge]

I never desync and that’s probably why I’m bad

[vestal wren]

but damage = fun

so people who optimize their gameplay (min/maxers) want to do damage

[storm forum]

i am here to min/max V I B E S

[runic hinge]

Raidbots is currently my second most visited website outside of my bookmarks so I think I’m here to do math

[fossil loom]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[tulip stratus]

this key started as a 18 and now im depressed

[raven flower]

It does say fall in the title

My depression key tends to be darkheart thicket

[tulip stratus]

darkheart is awful too

too bad fall has bis weapon

[keen spruce]

bloomer doomin

this week

[blazing jewel]

@keen spruce do more damage

[grim jay]

Does your most visited start with r, p or y?

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

why do I know all of those

[blazing jewel]

[grim jay]

Dang the boys know their stuff

[keen spruce]

i'm an assas rogue i dont' do damage

[spice spire]

You specifically deal mental damage

[keen spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1178080259174838385/1196438924810268802/357239117_585160570465991_4722542970206465938_n.mp4?ex=65b7a194&is=65a52c94&hm=ea5b9f4eb8dd50a02e1b65fab48f0c9ae29880de2030fa72b4dec4713067c39e&

i bring impeccable vibes

[quiet oar]

To you? Because of logs pressing Kingsbane before SD?

[spice spire]

No

The devotion uptimes

[keen spruce]

wep enchants

measure vibes

[quiet oar]

Ah

The 66% of shmeeps

I remember

[keen spruce]

this was my smold prog kill @quiet oar

[quiet oar]

I mean

Thats good uptime tho

[royal lantern]

thats beyond good

the average uptime is like

[keen spruce]

nymue

[royal lantern]

idk, 22%

[keen spruce]

i'm tellin u

it measures your vibes

[royal lantern]

shmeeps has like 50% more enchant uptime then others

[keen spruce]

and I still can't orange parse mythic

larodar

[quiet oar]

My good outlaw log on volco

[keen spruce]

u must have brought excellent vibes

to the raid that night

[quiet oar]

Ye becasue i siad

fuck PI

im gonna play a different spec

[jaunty hill]

Why are we all of the sudden F tier in M+ again? D:

[quiet oar]

You use subcreation

?

thats just an popular cahrt

[jaunty hill]

Every now and then, but I was declined because "Your Spec is F Tier"

[quiet oar]

You dodged a bullet

[storm forum]

I need to know what the r stands for please its driving me crazy

is it reddit?

did i miss reddit?

for like 20 minutes

while browsing reddit

[quiet oar]

Raidbots

[balmy condor]

idiots are stupid more news at 11

[keen spruce]

assas still quite good

just not quite as consistent or durable as pirate

[storm forum]

fml

[jaunty hill]

So it was just shithead-syndrome and I could be glad not be in this Group living my best life running in Circles around a Fountain in Valdrakken?

[keen spruce]

it only gets better as you go from +2 -> +26

[quiet oar]

Exactly

[keen spruce]

then maybe starts to suffer a bit

[storm forum]

you go up until you need ellusiveness, and then you go up until you need vers

the other specs get to skip that second part cause they just want big vers

[keen spruce]

if you ahve to build vers

then you're kind of already passed the point of no return

cuz then you're clappin your damage

then what, you slap on some tank trinkets

and now why are you even there

just lookin cute and silencing mobs

[royal lantern]

just like me fr

[balmy condor]

Yeh if you’re sitting there going “man I need vers to survive this”

You’re already fucked

No vers you could build is saving you

[keen spruce]

going from normal Assas vers levels. to like the 9k vers i have on outlaw + the 5% stam

[balmy condor]

What are you gonna do, vers phial and gems, get +5% vers and then claim that a 2.5% passive dr is saving you?

[keen spruce]

gets you maybe

[balmy condor]

Nah brother

[keen spruce]

like

1 key level?

of one shots

the bigger issue is that your evasion is a 2m cd

while outlaw's is like 25 seconds

while also having 5% more health

and stacking vers

and doing more damage than you

[storm forum]

[keen spruce]

except on the first pull of EB

and the final burn on iridikron

but then you just go sub for both of those

[royal lantern]

thats 1 of those things that under a reasonable balance team would not survive multiple patches

yet here we are

[keen spruce]

surely the hero talents for pirate + assas gives us restless blades

[storm forum]

is that how it works?

wait will that give pirate double restless blades?

[royal lantern]

looking at the first set of hero talents they Previed filled me wuth dread

[storm forum]

100% uptime evasion

[royal lantern]

god they are bad

look at the INSANE hero talents:

fury warrior using thunderclap on cd

[keen spruce]

it's pretty clear

that they're being developed in a vaccum

[royal lantern]

palading turning into a shity grpund based dmg buff

[keen spruce]

and there's no like

cross pollination

between the different classes

cuz some are already gettin the big shaft

like pala

that shit is unsavable

needs full delete and go agane

[royal lantern]

when its so bad that litearlly EVERYONE says its bad

not even shity wowhead "you all suck, im a giga gamer and its actually awesome" happend

just a universal "wtf?"

[blazing jewel]

@keen spruce do less damage

[keen spruce]

no

[torn atlas]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[blazing jewel]

[jaunty hill]

Hej, has someone the time to take a qick look on my raidbot result? It says I go on Haste and vers now. Kinda confuses me?

[keen spruce]

trust what the robot says

[spice spire]

Amen

[jaunty hill]

So I might hit a cap for crit I guess

[quiet oar]

Dont let Whispyr hear that

[keen spruce]

i mean not exactly

[quiet oar]

That you said Crit cap

[keen spruce]

but effectively

[quiet oar]

[keen spruce]

sure why not

I think whispyr's analogy was roughly

[jaunty hill]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uPLZBNu3w8znbMtQiDAdLP So it says this. I ran a massive topgear to look if my gems and enchants are still as they use to be

[keen spruce]

if you love cake

cake your favorite food

and you've got 50 cakes ready to eat

or you eat 50 cakes

suddenly

51 cakes maybe don't sound as good as like

a steak

[jaunty hill]

maybe some Fries too?

[keen spruce]

you're not capped on cake

there's no cake cap

one cake still one cake

but maybe

too much cake

and yeah you do have a shit ton of crit

assas is pretty balanced

on stats

just lookin at your character, very not surprising that it wants you to get haste and vers

[jaunty hill]

So me doing what the Robot said. Praise the Robot

[hardy dagger]

Y'all remember askmrrobot?

[thorn fjord]

thottbot

[quiet oar]

Yes

Just for reforgijg

[harsh anchor]

What's everyone's fursona

[thorn fjord]

Road kill

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

Centipede

[stone forge]

do any of you bro's have a numeric combo point meter, i'd like to make one myself but it would shift from 0 to 4 being an image in a green color which would then for 5 and 6 become white

and i tried but i checked my current add on's system and it's just it looks complex

[thorn fjord]

Might be a weak aura for that

Can look for numeric class bar

RL had to DL the snitch WA last night on smold because balls kept going in

4-5 1% wipes

Still no kill 😑

[shy pecan]

Fotmfursona

[stone forge]

i tried searching for one but if i found one didnt match the color changing to finisher icon WA i want

or it was from 2018

[grim jay]

it starts with red

but its not for discussions

[tame tangle]

take that and edit it

[junior yoke]

It starts with. One thing

[grim jay]

I dont know why

it doesnt even matter how hard you try

[junior yoke]

Keep that in mind I designed this rhyme

[river ember]

How far behind is Lariat in Single target compared to bracers toxic boots?

[royal lantern]

full socket lariat is iirc still behind

[woeful meteor]

.6 lariat+toxic .8 lariat+bsl

[river ember]

Thanks guys

[thorn fjord]

I should call her

[quiet oar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[runic hinge]

Don't do it!

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unique sentinel]

Yo, how do you pull as a tank to make an assassination rogue happy in keys?

[royal lantern]

either chainpulling when the last pack is not dangerous anymore but still somewhat healthy

aka they are at ~30-20% hp left and dont really do anything anymore

or just letting them stealth before big pulls/important pulls

everything else is w/e

dont the pug chainpulls, aka "pack is at 5%, lets pull the next one"

that one fucks rogues in general

[dark token]

chainpull if either their shadow dance cooldown is up/coming up, or there are a few mobs that like 25-50% hp left

[royal lantern]

(and outlaw has more drawback from no stealth then assa btw 😄 )

[dark token]

The worst chainpull is 1 mob at 1% hp and you pull new pack

[royal lantern]

^

[dark token]

Just wait in this case

But pulling extra packs at like 20% on a few mobs is fine

[royal lantern]

aka, do proper chainpulls that people actually want, not what pugs think is a chainpull

[gaunt moat]

That's a tank fan favorite

they love that shit

[unique sentinel]

Oh that is know. I am an outlaw main the pulling before me getting in stealth is the moment I insult my tank. But y going to tank for a friend who just plays assa in keys, i see thanks

[dark token]

Either that or chainpulling around CDs is good

For example in throne my group will start ravager and when 2 mins comes up, pulls the next pack into ravager

You don't need restealth if you have shadow dance to reapply bleeds and cleave

[royal lantern]

tbf sovi, thats playing with a set group, thats different in general

[woven frost]

Good on you for asking 👏👏👏. Already a better tank than most

[jaunty warren]

Don’t chain pull for no reason…saving 5 secs by getting the next pack is not useful in most keys. Rogues are not the only ones who benefit from s few sec break

The fact that you asked here makes you far better then most 👍🏼

[unique sentinel]

He just been complaining a lot about pug tanks so want him to have a better experience and well also time the shits and never really played assa

[royal lantern]

i wish my tanks had 2 working braincells

[woven frost]

I literally date my tank. One of our biggest fights in our relationship is his need to chain pull everything with mobs at 7% health.

And never clump them. It’s just a long strand of mobs flailing behind him.

The non-clumping is more irritating than no restealth honestly

[jaunty warren]

lol the “long chain of mobs” is another WTF .. I mean every class has a like 12 yard AOE

[woven frost]

Outlaw definitely suffers wayyyyy more than we do from lack a restealth, no?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[misty holly]

What does outlaw have that requires stealth?

[royal lantern]

for assa no re-stealth can be annoying and means that your actual aoe dmg comes out slower, it sucks really if you are allready energy starved

for outlaw is actually a big dmg down

[unique sentinel]

Crackshot. You just spam bte in stealth

So if you cant re stealth you lose a window of crackshot with subterfuge

[misty holly]

So how does that play, you have to build to 5 combo points before the last pull dies so you can open with bte, then get one builder then bte again before subterfuge runs out?

what am I missing

(last time I played outlaw was Legion)

[distant cliff]

Does anyone have a WA or mod that will tell me when a rupture/garrote was buffed from Nightstalker, so i don't do something stupid and overwrite it?

[unique sentinel]

Nah just need to restealth, blade flurry to get full combo point and then spam BTE

With ace you have a chance of BTE getting you full combo point and if not just ambush/BF