assassination

[dark token]

i mean it was the coolest xmog set as well as best m+ set

goated

[spice spire]

Spit

[fallow acorn]

do you have the purple daggers from legion to match? 😮

[sacred wedge]

i loved doing the mage tower for this back in the day. mage tower actually taught me how to play the game

wish i got the outlaw one tho, only did assa and sub

if we have the mage tower weapon appearance unlocked can we still unlock the colors?

[weary crystal]

hi, im learning sin rogue for the first time, i played outlaw season 1 of DF. i was using Hekili to learnthe rotation initially, but now i feel like i sorta have a grasp on it. is there times where you are just energy starved or is that due to me being undergeared

[spice spire]

Yes but also

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[spice spire]

Ur bis

[lean portal]

wow what are those

mage tower ?

[quiet oar]

[fallow acorn]

mage tower - and that skin is from winning 10 rgb's, I think

[sacred wedge]

gotta stop pressing buttons sometimes to chain envenoms later

[fallen forge]

i believe if u already unlocked the mage tower skin then you can get the others anytime

[fallow acorn]

yup, correct

[sacred wedge]

after googling it, im scared that i might have to unlock tints with the character i played when i unlocked the mage tower weaps

which means i wouldnt, cause that character is in other realm and other faction

[lean portal]

never done it i didnt play back then

ill try it

[sacred wedge]

mage tower weaps arent obtainable anymore

[runic hinge]

No, I didn't play rogue in legion

[lean portal]

oh 😦

[sacred wedge]

nowadays you can do mage tower for armor tho

i recommend doing it, its very fun

[spice spire]

Cat main

[runic hinge]

You can get this

[lean portal]

cool enough

[runic hinge]

Jelly @spice spire ?????

[spice spire]

??

[runic hinge]

I'm a cat of many faces

[fallow acorn]

wish you could view that outside the legion hall thing

[gusty mirage]

I wish they didn't remove the BMAH from the rogue class hall

😠

[thorn fjord]

meow

[fallow acorn]

yeah that was annoying

[thorn fjord]

Where is it now?

[gusty mirage]

there was always a BMAH vendor in the class hall, in DF they removed it

[fallow acorn]

Valdrakken has one

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i remember

right when you came in

by the dock

[gusty mirage]

ya

they removed her

and now she's vibing in valdrakken like coffee said

[fallow acorn]

the black market radio item from mechagon engineering thingy means you can access it anywhere

[thorn fjord]

sounds expensive

[fallow acorn]

nope

[gusty mirage]

its a quest reward from mechagon

iirc

I think I have 40 still in the bank

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

I only meow for egirls

Like oxi

[gaunt sigil]

[sullen wing]

Thinking of swapping from Sub to Ass KB build, anyone got any pointers please - can’t wait to be an ass rogue 😂

[normal otter]

!poison

[balmy condor]

Cry about it

Seethe

[runic hinge]

Help help I’m being oppressed

[storm forum]

Damn

I wish I could get oppressed like that

[spice spire]

Tips are do damage, pray for PI.

[storm forum]

Usually I just get beat up and called slurs

[spice spire]

[sullen wing]

I get PI now I bribe the priests I get my own aug evoker too

[spice spire]

Okay

You’re halfway there

Play well

And it’s free

[sullen wing]

Living on a prayer

[storm forum]

???? What about the windfury?

[sullen wing]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-bon-jovi-take-my-hand-livin-on-a-prayer-outstretched-arm-1986-gif-7882283258857395837

[spice spire]

Mf came from sub

[sullen wing]

The shaman usually dies 🤣

[spice spire]

Surely he gets WFT

[storm forum]

Aww shit I just realized I'm probably going to miss the smolderon kill

[spice spire]

You can smolderon deez pal

[storm forum]

I'm killing myself (in minecraft)

[runic hinge]

Sometimes I want to learn to play sub and then I read the chat in here and I’m like why would I ever leave

[gusty mirage]

???????????

[gusty mirage]

wdym?

I play sub, and I wrote a guide for it

and I'm still in here every day

lmao

[storm forum]

Yeah all the good sub players are in here anyways

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-cat-cat-depressed-depression-gif-13240550249247957481

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-cat-doorbell-meow-doorbell-gif-6938267654409879648

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[gusty mirage]

Oh I'm absolutely dogshit at this game

[storm forum]

https://tenor.com/view/dnce-gif-14762310134329663850

[gilded oasis]

me too king

[spice spire]

Me too king

[runic hinge]

Okay good. You can teach me when you move in

[spice spire]

[normal otter]

When I get BL, when do I want it ? 8 secs after pull?

PI*

[spice spire]

On dm

[raven egret]

My macro for DM whispers "uwu" to my priest when its time, she's very responsive!

[past forum]

i gave my priest one of the audio queue pi reminders and changed it to a meow, he loves it

[dark token]

slowly but surely

ct build will rise

im playing hybrid build this week feels pretty good actually

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor invite me to your discord server chief

I want the emotes

[lucid knoll]

with crimson tempest? 🤔

[dark token]

yes

[runic hinge]

I will copy you in my 23’s

[dark token]

people shouldnt play cleave build variants until 25+ anyway imo

except in rise

[crisp pine]

You can't tell me what to do

I will cleave the shit out of the billion flowers in everbloom

[untold igloo]

i be simmin higher with toxic boot + blue silken > toxic boot + patch. anyone know if it meta?

[dark token]

honestly i like the ap shock build more in most lower keys

[lucid knoll]

what are you doing when mobs live for well above the duration (guess they certanly do at your keys level) of rupture and garrote? you just reapply? or st one target?

[dark token]

yes reapply

[lucid knoll]

feels like a lot of work reaplying all that stuff

[dark token]

welcome to sin

if u dont like dot reapplying prob play outlaw

[lucid knoll]

nah I'm just playing cleave build

[raven egret]

cleave build ftw

[lucid knoll]

idk it feels overwhelming when target count is above 4-6

[raven egret]

although if I was gonna do lower keys that wouldnt work so, Shock for those

[lucid knoll]

to reapply on all of them

[untold igloo]

does blue silken overperform in sims? even @ 60% it's simmin considerably higher than toxic booties?

[lucid knoll]

im chilling in a +23-24 range

[raven egret]

yeah it feels good at those levels, got options for stuff that will live long enough and respect your KB duration

[crisp pine]

Silken is good for AoE

[lucid knoll]

now im kinda tempted to try hybrid build ngl

[untold igloo]

it's simmin higher ST for me too

[crisp pine]

You guys are talking like swapping 5 talents is like installing a different game

[untold igloo]

tryna figure if it's bait or is gud

[raven egret]

no one is saying that thought 🤔

[lucid knoll]

it is 🙃

[raven egret]

ok someone is saying that thought

[untold igloo]

any knowers knowing if blue silken is bait or outperformin booties

[storm forum]

BSL is good if you get 60%+ uptime

by default we assume ~40% uptime

where it's better in AoE, but worse in ST

if you trust ur healers to crank and keep you at the threshold for most of the fight, you should use it

[untold igloo]

is 40% rly the average

[storm forum]

but i dont

[raven egret]

boots I find to be more versatile and reliable so, boots it is

[untold igloo]

i feel like 40% is unrealistic unless healers are super behind or it's like giga rot no?

[storm forum]

in Mythic where damage is cranking all the time and every overlap is lethal

i dont think its that unrealistic

[raven egret]

I mean if you are in a +10 that wont be an issue, +22 you might reconsider.

[untold igloo]

i do be in mythic, i still feel that super low

[raven egret]

exxagerating here but in content where it matters, yeah 40% is pretty realistic when it matters

[untold igloo]

what's the most rot intensive fight in raid, im lookin nymue logs

idk our demon hunters are like 60% on that one

[fallow canopy]

smolderon first kill had 35% uptime and 40% on reclear

other fights were a little bit higher

[raven egret]

Keep in mind that if you dont have the uptime when it matters, it still doesnt help

[storm forum]

whats the BSL threshold again? 90%?

[raven egret]

doesnt take much to be below 90% hp

[fallow canopy]

yep basically any mechanic would get you under

[untold igloo]

our demon hunters are like 65% on gnarlroot, which i assume is prob the healthiest, and 50% on smoldy

but they leech cheatin so hrmmm

[raven egret]

but eh you do you, wanna use Silken? have at it

[untold igloo]

i want the best is all

[raven egret]

embellishments are all close enough as to be insignificant difference

[untold igloo]

and tryna make best of playin all 3 specs >.< so silken lines up nice with sub

im tryna parse at this point not clear so :p

i care bout stupid %

[lean portal]

and what about one lariat one silken

[keen spruce]

embelishments are like

[lean portal]

if full gem

[keen spruce]

super not impactful

[untold igloo]

ooo didn't even look lariat

[raven egret]

you can parse with either embellishment they wont affect that to a degree where it will make or break it

[lean portal]

one lariat one silken sims higher than boots for me but idk how about uptimes same

[fallow canopy]

like 1-2% between each other at best no? reckon it won't be a deal breaker unless you go full chef

[untold igloo]

of course, im tryna min max

[keen spruce]

les

less

[fallow canopy]

even better then :p

[untold igloo]

even if embellish is like 0.5% diff, the diff between top parse on a fight and 100th is like 10%, so every bit helps we min maxin out here

[keen spruce]

oi wtf @untold igloo you're in my guild

tf is your rogue's name

[untold igloo]

o/

spycrab

[fallen forge]

can i be in the guild too

[keen spruce]

no

u like mayonaise

[untold igloo]

i raid in another guild there

[keen spruce]

on grilled cheese

[severe sparrow]

I hate running into guildies on this server

[raven egret]

hey like I said you do you, some of the top parses dont even have embelishments, many have boots, some have silken, some might even have lariat, but you do you

[severe sparrow]

I can't hide my stupid questions then

[keen spruce]

ik I also have to block out all of the names when i post screenshots that make me reee

in raid

[fallen forge]

for what reason would u blacklist me from ur guild

[untold igloo]

like 1/100, id rather be in the 99 xd

[fallen forge]

mayo is way too good fr

[untold igloo]

blue silken rly do seem to be right on the line. need that 60+%

seems sketch

[keen spruce]

silken is kinda bait for prog fights

and end bosses

if you're good it can be useful in m+

[untold igloo]

i mean i wanna find what's best, but at the same time I just wanna be able to play my 3 specs without having some cringe crafted mastery helm in my outlaw set :}

[upbeat needle]

do i just bind the augment into a skill

[untold igloo]

i do that for the most used abilities yerp

[storm forum]

yeah on nymue, my guild's BSL uptime was 52% on our DH and 37-31% for everyone else

[severe sparrow]

If you're really min maxing i feel like you're gonna want 2 sets anyway, no?

[untold igloo]

yerp. a man's only got so many aspect crests though

[storm forum]

it took me forever to remember what the name of the BSL buff .-.

[untold igloo]

did u have to focus

[lucid knoll]

then minmax those crests

[untold igloo]

that what im tryna figure out

the most annoying part fo sho is just the 3 or 4 embellishments alongside outlaw disliking mastery

[severe sparrow]

I was simming for a new belt and was trying to find the best middle ground for sin/outlaw stats wise

[untold igloo]

gotta be crit vers right

[severe sparrow]

Ended up with some cursed vit/mastery abomination

[storm forum]

maybe crit haste

[dark token]

ok

assa cant live 29 AD yazma

[storm forum]

oof

ellusiveness has hit the wall

[dark token]

yes

it still was 100% hp

now i go full vers

[storm forum]

🎉

[dark token]

also i didnt have a priest

with priest can live 30 fort yazma i think

but tyran

[storm forum]

oh damn is it tyran this week?

[dark token]

no

[storm forum]

oh damn is it fort this week?

[untold igloo]

tyrannified

[storm forum]

[upbeat needle]

question, if im saving shadow dance and vanish for kings how do i do aoe?

[untold igloo]

can use dance and vanish on big tyran boss and save for restealth on adds

unless you're goin a period without needing the restealth for bleed cleave, you'll only have fan, spatter, and tempest. i like to save the dance and vanish for AoE restealths, especially if you're tank is chain pulling

[storm forum]

In AoE opening with 3x gar 3x rup is usually more than enough and then let spatter + 4 set carry the rest

Usually use vanish to re DoT though in high enough keys

[runic hinge]

2xgar then ct then 2 rupture and I’m into kb times is how I’ve been playing

Snapshot that CT just for funsies

[storm forum]

Hell yeah

[lucid knoll]

I usually 3x gar when there is more than 5 targets, if less, then 2x

[dark token]

ye i skip envenom

unless its a huge mob that will live

[runic hinge]

The more targets there are the more I feel like snapshotting ct which is gonna hit all of them is more important. Maybe the math doesn’t work out but that’s just what I’ve been doing

[upbeat needle]

if i kings on trash, do i still muti or jkust fan envome?

[runic hinge]

Mutilate to keep spatter up but otherwise fok

[sacred wedge]

id save vanish for restealthing and my shadow dance macroed with KB

should i unmacro my dance from KB?

[upbeat needle]

and i let empowered garrote fall off before putting a new one up yea?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[pliant roost]

In m+, When you are in the opener and applying multiple ruptures/garrotte, you apply it to a target that doesn't have a rupture right? on or does IC make it not matter?

[gaunt moat]

yes and no.
It has smart targeting, which means IC will target enemies that do not have that debuff applied to them.

But if you target a target that already has it, that target will get one of the debuffs, which means you spread to one less (given enough targets)

[misty holly]

back to cheat death.

[pliant roost]

Thanks.

[lean portal]

How much vers did u have ?

[spice spire]

Stats aren’t real they can’t hurt you

Elusiveness check

[runic hinge]

Elude this

[spice spire]

I might

[gaunt moat]

My crit is bigger than yours

[spice spire]

It ain’t the amount of the crit, it’s the amount of times it happens

[upbeat needle]

So ive been opening on the dummy and im getting like 40ish stacks on kings but my sim shows me getting 72 am i doing something wrong here?

[runic hinge]

Are you simming with raid buffs?

[upbeat needle]

1t3m 0 buffs

[runic hinge]

Oh shit I forgot to mention I had my kb parried for the first time this patch today

[gaunt moat]

Truly a keyboard breaking moment when it happens

[gaunt moat]

you're using my WA to see the stacks?

[dark token]

ofc i have

its 98% of my hp

on 29

[upbeat needle]

yea i ahve yours

[sacred wedge]

dont judge how undergeared i am but i actually got an upgrade from world boss

RNG smiles

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Opener on last boss in fall. Barely did any damage

[sacred wedge]

thought world boss was fake loot

[gaunt moat]

yeah i dunno, even during raid i usually get like 50~ stacks, while sims shows 99.
i don't think my WA is wrong though, it tracks every possible deadly poison application.

[upbeat needle]

does sim just assume you get 2 every attack?

[gaunt moat]

not afaik

[upbeat needle]

Do you mean every lethal application not just deadly?

[gaunt moat]

yeah

[upbeat needle]

https://i.imgur.com/9JcicLf.png

like how is the kings bane jumping up so high

[storm forum]

I'm so sorry

[runic hinge]

Thank you. We still timed with 10 minutes left

[storm forum]

Poggiewoggie

[gaunt moat]

basically because every hit has a change to apply 2 poisons. and mutilate is two hits, right? so each mutilate has a chance to apply 4 stacks.

[upbeat needle]

so me getting 40 might not actually be terrible then

[gaunt moat]

from what i've noticed with my WA, that's around average. 50+ is good.
But i've never seen it go up to 99, so not sure where's the difference coming from

[upbeat needle]

is the wa keeping deathmark doubling in mind?

[gaunt moat]

No

huh.

probably should huh?

[misty holly]

How can you tell how many stack with the weak auar? I just see x500% or whatever

[gaunt moat]

I thought with DM it would double the poison applied event.
@slate crown do you know something about this?

[gaunt moat]

in latest version i changed it to show stacks instead of percentage.

[slate crown]

I do not know anything specific about this beyond my opinions

That said

[sacred wedge]

is the WA yall talking about this Notters KB Tracker?

[slate crown]

If DM doubles lethal poison applications, it must double their damage events

In the combat log

I assume

The only options are it doubles the damage events, or it doubles the existing events damage, the latter seems very odd and unlikely to me

That said, if it's something like

Amp stacks

That might not have a doubled event count for aura_refresh

Because it might just double the stacks you get from it, with the same number of aura_refresh events, I'm not sure

Probably best to pull up a log to check

[balmy condor]

it's different spell id's

[slate crown]

The duplicated deadly/amp?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[slate crown]

Then the event counts should be independent

[tulip stratus]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[gaunt moat]

I'll go test

now that i look at log, it does look that way

different amp poison during DM

never noticed it before

[balmy condor]

learned that one real quick when I was blacklisting auras from plater

[gaunt moat]

plater just shown you every debuff on target?

[balmy condor]

well, most

but you press deathmark and all of sudden your target nameplate is full of new deadly poison, new amp, new garrote, new rupture, new deathmark

and you're like "ah"

"can't see a GODAMN THING"

[gaunt moat]

well looks like i gotta do some adjustments to my WA
@upbeat needle I'll let you know when it's fixed, thanks for catching that, it's something that bothered me as well!

[upbeat needle]

someone call my mom, i got pinged!

[gaunt moat]

now the question is, do i do it the dumb way (if DM than make number * 2)
or actually track the events
@slate crown got like 20 triggers almost as it is

[earnest remnant]

@upbeat needle

[upbeat needle]

and the moments over lol

[earnest remnant]

[slate crown]

Ya could always look at consolidating some (not necessarily all) Combat Log triggers into a custom CLEU trigger, you can specify sub-event types in the Event field for CLEU

Don't have to use Watched Triggers for everything

[dark token]

CT domination

hybrid build >>

[slate crown]

If you're like me, if you go the *2 way, every time you look at the aura you're going to be thinking about it. Every time

[gaunt moat]

😂😂

[lucid knoll]

and without PI sheeesh

[dark token]

im playing with bm hunter

[lucid knoll]

how hybrid in terms of boss damage?

[brittle jungle]

Hi all, i'm question, during the fight should I maintain 150/300 for [Sanguines blades] ?

[balmy condor]

no

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[brittle jungle]

Ok, so I just have to stick with maintaining Envenom.

[sacred wedge]

clipping envenom

[upbeat needle]

should i be refreshing rupture before i start chainning?

[runic hinge]

You want to keep your bleeds up 100% of the time if they are gonna fall and it stops your chain to refresh you then pool back to 80% energy and start your envenom chain again

[lime crypt]

you can chain envenoms and keep refreshing rupture

but the window is tight

[upbeat needle]

so i do that while i wait for kings to come back and when its up i should still have enough energy for that?

[midnight atlas]

kinda like this

first envenom is not pooled, the other 2 are

you do that when you are out of cds, your bleeds are rolling

[sweet dawn]

Every time I see this gif I am reminded of how much I need it but can't use it

[runic hinge]

Just join whispyrs discord

[sweet dawn]

ty king

[kindred crescent]

what is the advice on pooling 50% for sanguine blades.

[balmy condor]

scroll up slightly

[sweet dawn]

I couldn't see where the gif was from to know which discord to join

[keen spruce]

you can just

right click and open it in browser

then save it

[balmy condor]

shh

not

no

don't tell them

make them come to me

pause

[keen spruce]

and watch it on your computer by youself

is what i was gonna say

[runic hinge]

I need to add more emotes to my own server but lately Whispyr is doing all the work for me so why start now

[mystic osprey]

Beta male

I have 40% mastery

[dark token]

120%

[runic hinge]

Ur sub

[dark token]

(no buffs)

[mystic osprey]

I am all

[mystic osprey]

Gigachad

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

[lucid knoll]

crimson tempest damage is kinda bonkers ngl (wm +23)

[runic hinge]

CT good. Especially when it gets to tick

[dark token]

yes

embrace the CT

dont listen to no CT propoganda

[gaunt moat]

problem with CT, i either forget to use it, or i use it too much.

[dark token]

its big dam

[lucid knoll]

the only thing is our opener adds up 3 gcds

that feels bad

[dark token]

it adds 1 gcd wdym

and garrote garrote Ct

feels much better as opener

[lucid knoll]

on single target

gar mutilate rupture 2x mutilate ct 2x mutilate again envenom

[balmy condor]

why the fuck you pressing ct in single target big dog

[lucid knoll]

kekw

its additional dot

[dark token]

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's also

[sacred wedge]

i thought ct on st was dmg loss

[balmy condor]

really stupid

lmao

[lucid knoll]

why wouldnt i

[balmy condor]

you don't use CT until 4

[dark token]

it was only good on bugged bosses when u have dmg amp

with sanguine blades bug

now useless

[balmy condor]

envenom with tier

is way better

by a mile

[sacred wedge]

i'll listen to the no ct propaganda because i like having 1 less button to press

[gaunt moat]

when Rupture

[dark token]

after

u fok rupture fok rupture

[lucid knoll]

snapshoting rupture in multi target = gae

[dark token]

now imagine snapshotting CT

on 8 targets

[lucid knoll]

[sacred wedge]

then fok envenom and go into kb? im writing your opener down

[runic hinge]

[lucid knoll]

k, I kinda messed up my ct damage in that wm 23

I never shapshoted it kekw

and used it in st

now we know

[sacred wedge]

@dark token you go hybrid or arterial shock?

[dark token]

i go hybrid build

except where tank doesnt want slow poison

then i go ap shock

(on fort weeks)

ataldazar tank doesnt want slow poison for better juggernaut baits for example

or sanguiine weeks i would go AP shock

[sacred wedge]

slow poison = crippling poison? im defaulting to mind numbing

[dark token]

ye

[sacred wedge]

im really new at assa

[dark token]

what key level ur doing

ap shock gets better at lower keys

[sacred wedge]

11s for wyrms

[dark token]

yeah ap shock every key

until like +25

[sacred wedge]

yeah im doing shock

even tyr?

[dark token]

hybrid build needs a big target to cleave from

yes

ap shock is actually more ST than hybrid build

[sacred wedge]

cool i like big st

im gearing my assa specially for raiding

too many warriors in my guild already

and we gonna start a mythical core

[kindred crescent]

I have heard conflicting information on using finishers at 4/6 combo points

is that okay or is it 5/6 and up

[dark token]

4cp+ with the 4pc

[kindred crescent]

oh gotcha just for envenom

[runic hinge]

For anything

Also do 5 for your envenom before DM

[river cipher]

Which 4 set bonus would you want to become a talent assuming we could only pick one

[dark token]

probably s3 4pc

or s2 2pc

[fallen raven]

i feel like that's the only choice, the other two 4pc bonuses aren't really interesting at all

[balmy condor]

Is there anything that’s talent-worthy aside from the current 4pc

[fallen raven]

s3 is gameplay and gameplay talents are good

[balmy condor]

The rest are just “does 20% more damage” lmao

[dark token]

ye talents should have nice gameplay

only reason im ok with s2 2pc is because we need more aoe talents

[river cipher]

S2 4pc doesn't change gameplay much but it smooths out damage

[dark token]

smoothing out dmg is a bad thing

[river cipher]

Imagine it replaced the poison talent following it

Or was a choice node with it

[balmy condor]

S2 4pc was also insanely hated

[dark token]

ye its really lame

[river cipher]

Its hated but its not bad

[balmy condor]

Not bad in what way exactly

[river cipher]

In that in gives DM aoe potential. It just comes after

[balmy condor]

Isn’t that just caustic spatter now

[river cipher]

Spatter isn't a tier bonus

[balmy condor]

Well yeah

But the thing you like from the tier

Specifically already exists

[river cipher]

Im thinking of it from a perspective of the bonus would have to replace or share a talent node that already exists

Like we could get s3 4set as a talent but where would it go

[balmy condor]

Replacing poison bomb, replacing dtb, replacing twist the knife

Plenty of places

[keen spruce]

open Assas, see soviet talking about CT, close assas

[balmy condor]

Choice node with amp poison

[dark token]

ct is rising

[balmy condor]

Someone said CT out loud and his hair stood on end

It’s like a dog seeing a squirrel ya know

Goes bonkers

[dark token]

ct is life

[river cipher]

Never feels like I can make use of CT. Maybe I just do keys too low

[runic hinge]

I like ct but I’m sure af not voting for s2

[keen spruce]

you ever get to the end of a pack and a captain mob is still alive. then the CT was a wasted global

which is all of the fkin time

[dark token]

the key is you then envenom there

[river cipher]

Yeah this

[dark token]

instead of CT

[river cipher]

And if you envenom all the time why talent into CT

[keen spruce]

best way to play a CT build, not press CT

[thorn fjord]

fuck ct

shit button

always has been

[keen spruce]

i like CT

[thorn fjord]

dont @ me

[dark token]

goated button

[keen spruce]

gud button

but also

not worth

[thorn fjord]

nah

[runic hinge]

@thorn fjord

[dark token]

hybrid build is KING

[lucid knoll]

[dark token]

of fort

[thorn fjord]

im still complaining about having to press it in ST back in SL

not cool

[river cipher]

I love the button. Just dont feel it has a place rn with dh and pally just shredding any mobs that give it use

[keen spruce]

this is not news

[runic hinge]

Just don’t invite pally or dh

[keen spruce]

you're playing a pad spec compared against everyone playing a prio spec

build*

no one is arguing it does more overall

[dark token]

killing mobs faster = pad

fort trash hurts

lack of Ct is huge

[thorn fjord]

@dark token is done for the tier... All hes gonna do is troll us now.

😛

[river cipher]

I dont always do my own key

[dark token]

also i would probably play AP shock on ataldazar 100% of time now

because slow poison is an int on juggernauts

[river cipher]

Debateable. I dont take it for everbloom which is arguably the one place it gets the most value on paper

[dark token]

there are lots of keys where the trash living past your cc chain is rly rly bad

like dht

[river cipher]

Yeah but at the same time, I would say DHT is the best dungeon for CT

No mobs there really die quickly

[shell pawn]

CT or BRH if you are using SD mabe

[runic hinge]

It’s good times tho

[keen spruce]

I'd rather just kill important stuff

[runic hinge]

Cleave dn

You already swapped to OL

[keen spruce]

yeah das true

[runic hinge]

Opinion deleted from my mind

[keen spruce]

but i still need to argue with soviet

if i won't do it who will

beside literally everyone else in the discord

[runic hinge]

Okay im playing ap shock for the rest of the week

[river cipher]

Who is soviet someone ping him

[runic hinge]

You were literally just talking to him?? Scroll up bro

[river cipher]

As if I look at names i just shoot to shoot

[earnest remnant]

very murican of you

[keen spruce]

here i'll get him to come back

"CT"

[earnest remnant]

i hear "CT" is dogshit in keys, whats that about?

[dark token]

👀

[dark token]

i play m+ for big dam fun

you can casually get title playing sin

if i wanted r1 optimal setup i would play outlaw

[earnest remnant]

[waxen oyster]

what does sin even play in keys

thorn or bsl

[dark token]

bsl

[waxen oyster]

i mean i just play arterial if i want fat overalls

or cleave to brain afk on something big

[dark token]

im getting bigger overalls on hybrid over arterial

dependant on key

[river cipher]

I stopped concerning myself with fat overalls :/. Need to stop pugging

Pug tanks cant even respect me enough to let me stealth. Then its "interrupts"

[misty holly]

Tell them if they want interrupts they need to let you get iron wire off.

No stealth no interrupt.

[tulip stratus]

whats bsl

[balmy condor]

blue silken lining

[karmic zenith]

Hi, just came back to WoW after a break, highest keys I ran back in BFA was the low 20s, is DF much different, been doing some 18+ keys. Is this spec still good, back then I ran a haste build and i guess now it's not the go to? Mastery right?

[balmy condor]

spec is good

should sim yourself for stats

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Mast = Crit = Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs like Witherbark's Branch and Wafting Devotion can often de-value the stat in question. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[karmic zenith]

Back in bfa it was hard to pug groups, most have never seen a assassin rogue in higher keys and eveyrone wanted outlaw

Still the same here I guess lol

[oak tangle]

iirc BFA capped at 10's for vault, so 20's in BFA would be more like 25's-30's

[balmy condor]

bfa capped at 15's for vault bud

[oak tangle]

wut

was it

[balmy condor]

I don't remember it ever being 10

[karmic zenith]

Ahh I see, thank you

[karmic zenith]

Difficulty wise so a +22 would be equal to like 28-29?

22+ in s4 bfa

[dark token]

Ehh people did +30 in BFA as well

[oak tangle]

idk about that much, it probs not linear, but they did stretch out the difficulty curve

[karmic zenith]

Ahh ok

[dark token]

Keep in mind they buffed scaling after 20

A 20 is a BFA 15

[balmy condor]

god damn man when do you sleep soviet

[dark token]

Not enough

[runic hinge]

Church of CT I like that

[balmy condor]

that's the answer to "how much"

[dark token]

Can we update the sin reacts to have CT and sudden demise @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I need to know when

[karmic zenith]

Highest timed I did was a 22, I refuse to go outlaw hah

[oak tangle]

also season 1 of BFA was deffs a 10 cap

[balmy condor]

need an egg timer for when I can safely come back

[dark token]

Considering everyone takes sanguine blades and snd now

[thorn fjord]

No please

[balmy condor]

wild

[thorn fjord]

Don’t feed the ptsd

[dark token]

We should get the reacts for Sudde demise and CT to see what builds people like

[dark token]

I swear this was 15

It was 15 in legion

Did they drop it

[oak tangle]

i started in legion pre patch and i recall the 10 being cap, unsure when it went back to 15

coulda been a later season or not til SL

[thorn fjord]

SL changed it to 16 at one point

But it started at 15 in SL I know that

[dark token]

I remember doing a +15 weekly key in season 1 of legion for the first week

And it was a 3 hrs long tyrannical vault of wardens

[thorn fjord]

Gross

[oak tangle]

by legion prepatch i mean BFA prepatch

I played about a month of legion

[dark token]

So there was some benefit to going 15 for sure

[thorn fjord]

Unfortunate

[oak tangle]

and i remember being carried in 15's to get vault stuff

[thorn fjord]

The real legion experience was farming upper for that damn trinket

[dark token]

Anyway a BFA 30 is probably equivilant to this season 30 but this season 20 is around the same as BFA 15

Cause of the scaling diff

[thorn fjord]

Are we leveling to 80 in ww?

[oak tangle]

i hope so, i'm tired of seeing level 80 characters on my friends list, and they're in classsic

[sacred wedge]

how bad is it to macro embersoul trink with deathmark?

no good keybinds left

[runic hinge]

Macro ashes to KB

[sacred wedge]

Mm

good idea

i was thinking deathmark because of equal cooldown, but youre right, tyty

[oak tangle]

kb technically has an equal cd

[sacred wedge]

yep

[lucid knoll]

Mine was macroed to deathmark

[keen spruce]

pretty sure the start of BFA was +10

at least on launch of S1 m+

dunno how long it lasted

[runic hinge]

Imagine playing bfa

[hot swift]

is there something wrong with the assass 2pc?

it says nature damage increased but its increasing all my damage, am i missing something

[sacred wedge]

do we have a weakauras command

i can swear ive seen some auras

up for grabs

[lucid knoll]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[sacred wedge]

thanks

[runic hinge]

Do I play flying daggers or venom rush with ap shock build

Does it even matter

[spice spire]

Nothing matters man

[past forum]

too real

[runic hinge]

You matter, man

[sacred wedge]

in ap shock build do we still hold shiv charges for kb?

im having a hard time figuring out when to use kb in ap shock, i tend to want to refresh my bleeds instead of bursting an specific target, without spatter to cleave i feel like im sacrificing aoe and i end up pressing less kb and less shiv and focusing too much on getting ic + sudden demise value

[shy pecan]

In an ideal world, it's bleeds on all the targets you want > DM/SD/KB. But depends on how fast stuff is dying. Sometimes, you don't get that luxury and it's just spatter > DM/KB and go

[sacred wedge]

yoooo

i wasnt specced into spatter

in my ap shock build

🫠

which is why i didnt want to go into kb

[shy pecan]

RIP

[sacred wedge]

thanks for the answer, its much clearer now

[shy pecan]

99% you solved your own question

[balmy condor]

yeh fr

thanks for letting ed answer your question

[mystic osprey]

Is there a WoW discord server for key groups?

The WoW discord doesn't have OC

[balmy condor]

there used to be mythic+ friends

idk if that's still around

yeah looks like it

https://discord.gg/duJFMxmZ

[spice spire]

Which Ed

[shy pecan]

I'm just here for moral support

[balmy condor]

edwardo de la raincoat perro

could be el raincoat perro

I am unsure of the word for raincoat in spanish

abrigo de lluvia

I guess

idk

edwardo de el perro con un abrigo de lluvia

is quite a mouthful

[shy pecan]

[balmy condor]

im trying my best

[spice spire]

I’m proud of u

[arctic socket]

special

[spice spire]

Mad

[winged sun]

me too

[spice spire]

What a king

[grizzled sonnet]

Hello strangers. New here and im just curious if theres an "ultimate" 2ndary stat-balance for raid / m+ (20+ keys) like 40/15/65/10 or something 😄 i guess its easier to determin that for lets day Volcaros. Any tips?

[spice spire]

No there’s not

[winged sun]

ur a king

[spice spire]

Because different trinkets and different races will move your stats in a certain direction

There’s a bis list but outside of that just focus on trinkets and weapons. Sim the rest

[grizzled sonnet]

Alright. Just sim the hell out hej gear?

[balmy condor]

hej

[grizzled sonnet]

Thank you 😊

[balmy condor]

[grizzled sonnet]

Hej 👋

[spice spire]

Ye

Stats aren’t real, they can’t hurt you.
Or whatever my goat says

[balmy condor]

that's what ymy agoat say

yesh

fuck

[spice spire]

Dog?

I’ve been awake for 26 hours, you good man?

[balmy condor]

ill suck yourpass shutthe fuck yup

[spice spire]

Is it a night buddy?

[balmy condor]

ffuckyou

[spice spire]

Love you too king

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1193333736431951935.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

Hemlo

[spice spire]

GM remy

[shy pecan]

Is this drunk whispyr?

[spice spire]

Seems

Can’t wait for him to call me names again (Diet Pepsi)

[bronze pike]

Gn quake :3

[spice spire]

Gn king have a great sleep

[arctic socket]

gonna postr this then go sleep

WHY

DID

U

DELETE THAT

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-because-gif-11777634

[arctic socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZutHKsA2sA

[spice spire]

Send to OT homie

[native cairn]

Do 2 blue silken lining stack?

[spice spire]

Yes

[native cairn]

Cool

[cold plover]

So uhm Im a acrobatic strikes enjoyer. Is there anything non crucial to drop for me to talent it or is it impossible?

[native cairn]

Some people drop thistle tea, I personally get anxious with a no tea build tho

[spice surge]

Better to drop deeper for it

Than tea

[storm forum]

wowhead has a no dance build you could try

takes ER + lethality over the dance branch

for M+ I think its recommended to drop tea cause we're energy flooded on packs (most of the dungeon)

[cold plover]

But doesnt that feel ass in st with no Tea?

[storm forum]

yeah

but thats the trade off for having acro

and you need to trade something out

[cold plover]

Yeah i guess. It feels so bad without it tho, personal preference

[storm forum]

imo, it only feels like ass during non-DM KBs

cause running out of energy outside of DM happens anyways, regardless of tea

and i dont mind pooling

but it would feel pretty bad if env drops cause im out of energy during KB

would need to adjust my muscle memory to pool more before it

[cold plover]

I feel like in AFK on some mechanics cus Im out of range to survive

[spice surge]

Just drop deeper and not tea

[cold plover]

Its not that i think its impossible without it just a quality of life thing

Thanks for the answers I’ll try some stuff out

[storm forum]

gl

[oak tangle]

just keep practicing without acro

you'll get used to it

[subtle saffron]

is there any weird interaction with tricks ? had an assassination try to tricks me some mobs (not aggroed) and he got meleed by them

[vestal wren]

it depends on the targe, some bosses do hit the closest target first, it is why you sometimes get smacked when attacking bosses too early in raid

[tired narwhal]

What's the exact science behind wanting to envenom as close to the previous one dropping as possible? Is it just the envenom chaining/pooling to let energy regen and slow down the pace a bit to keep it going longer or is there like an actual "If you hit this within 1 second, it does X% more damage" just not in the tooltip?

Or am i just being silly

[strong cradle]

for 20 keys, is it advised to ever drop CT? I don't feel like I get the most out of it atm

[lean portal]

depends on dungeon but drop it from 23-24 only imo

especially in fortified

[lean portal]

no its to save energy and proc the 4set

[tired narwhal]

that's what I meant - the damage increase isn't from proccing the set itself and it won't do more damage the better you chain, it's just energy management permitting us doing more?

[steel geyser]

4p

[tender light]

hey folks!
I have problem with regen energy, after opener or at a long fight i am struggling without energy at some point. Any ideas or advice for me?

[royal lantern]

thats assa

[snow sinew]

keep bleeds running
dont spam muti every gcd

[royal lantern]

i mean

thats wrong

you "spam" mut when possible

you dont spam finishers

GENERATE CP as soon as possible

but only spend when needed outside of cds

[snow sinew]

when possible isnt every gcd

[viral stump]

I saw somewhere that there is a spreadsheet for rogue defensives in M+ made by Whispyr -- where is that exactly?

Nvm, it looks like "Book of Shadows" isn't available anymore. Is there anything like it that shows what can and cannot be mitigated using Rogue defensives??

[royal lantern]

use elusivness and its everything

[subtle saffron]

it was flowers + elementalist + stinger in Everbloom.

could it have been a case of:
stealth > cast skill > get meleed before skill hits and redirects?

[pseudo hamlet]

2 fast questions:
-it's a DPS loss if I use Envenom on 5-6CP instead of 4 in the Kingsbane window? (considering that I have my envenom buff always on)
-it's a huge DPS loss if I use rupture during my SD/KB window? (same case as above)

[limber lion]

If you land on 4CP and you still use Mutilate to get to 6, yes it's a loss.

And no, you can refresh Rupture if it's in pandemic and your Envenom doesn't drop because of it

[royal lantern]

what cev said

[limber lion]

If you notice your Rupture going low, you can try to force a 5-6CP Envenom instead of a 4CP one just to make sure it doesn't drop during the reapplication of Rupture

[royal lantern]

no, ofc no lost, 4+ cp means "at 4 cp its good to use a finisher" and not "if you do 5 or 6 its bad"

and rupture during KB is really just if you can keep envenom up or not, if envenom doesnt drop its w/e

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks

[lucid knoll]

so it isn't troll to use mutilate at 4cp (outside of cds), so you have bigger window to refresh rupture and don't drop chain?

also it is impossible to refresh rupture without dropping chain at 5cp envenom? unless your next mutilate lands at 4cp

[pseudo hamlet]

I am always trying to do 5-6CP envenom before refreshing rupture to not let the buff fall off

[lucid knoll]

can you refresh it in 5cp envenom window tho? 🤔

[keen spruce]

4+

means

4, 5, or 6

[lucid knoll]

ye ofc you do 4,5,6 when you don't need to refresh rupture

but when you do

you only need 6

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, but I don't think you can refresh rupture without losing the envenom buff with just 4CP 😛

unless you get giga luck with Blindside 😄

[keen spruce]

it's just

[lucid knoll]

or 5 and pray that next mutilate lands on 4

[keen spruce]

not worth worrying about

you drop envenom, you just pool back to 80% and go agane

there's no meaningful gain to trying to plan into a 5/6cp env before refreshing rupture

it just doesn't matter

it's also like.. not griefing or anything

so if you want to do that

sure

just seems like a waste of brain globals

[lucid knoll]

it's not hard to do this prep

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean no single thing you do in wow is hard

but it also gains you nothing

so

[lucid knoll]

the tradeoff is like you either use mutilate at 4-5cp to refresh during chain, or lose like 5 sec of envenom uptime no?

[keen spruce]

you don't really "lose" the uptime

if you drop env a little early at higher energy

then it won't take as long to pool back up

so you make it up by starting a new chain sooner

if you were at super low energy when you drop it, then it was going to drop soon anyways

and you'd have been pooling back up in a few globals either way

[gaunt moat]

I'm losing my mind.

trying to track deadly poison application during deathmark

[keen spruce]

why are you trying to do that

for your WA?

[gaunt moat]

yes, found out it don't track the extra stacks during deathmark

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

Turns out during DM, the "doubled" poisons have a different spell ID

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

and in the combat log i can see it's 394325 for deadly poison.
But it doesn't show up in any event in-game

[lucid knoll]

makes sense I guess 🤔

[gaunt moat]

oh nevermind, it does show in-game
EXCEPT NOT WHEN USING POISON KNIFE

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

TIL - poison knife doesn't double your Deadly Poison when you use Deathmark.

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[vestal wren]

discord media server is fucked atm

[quiet oar]

Isnt everything kinda fucked atm

Youtube doesnt work properly for me

[vestal wren]

youtub works fine, twitter works fine, reddit loads fine, twitch too

it could be cloudflare related, but discors shows issues with their media server on the status website

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[oak tangle]

gg's

i was wondering what you guys were complaining about

now i know

[slate crown]

knife dream deadge, it's all over

[slate crown]

...

...

OH it's because you're AU so you're upside down. now I get it

[quiet oar]

Maybe its just germany atm

Becuase some people have Problems

And had problems yesterday

[quartz snow]

hmm how come ?

all my sim is asking me to put more versa, is that normal ?

[limber lion]

Yes just do what the sim says

[storm hedge]

Is there any weakaura that creates distractions on screen to simulate raid distractions to practice rotation? I find that on dummy I don't make many mistakes but in raid I made some big mistakes in my rotation

Like something to click on screen so you have to multitask

[balmy condor]

that's not a thing, no

the solution to that is just raid more

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim pebble]

I can join discord with you and you can listen to my kids scream while you practice your rotation

[sweet dawn]

Just do what I do and create auditory overstimulation via metal pipe sound effects

[past forum]

no cap i was in a guild where one of the ppl would afk at home with their mic open and we could randomly just hear their kids howling from time to time. it was equal parts hysterical and nerve-shattering

[flint marsh]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[storm hedge]

Is Recuperator applied only on slice and dice cast?

or over the whole fight?

[royal lantern]

?

read the talent lol

[storm hedge]

I have very low healing from recuperator so that's why i'm asking

[royal lantern]

ofc its the entire time

ye cus the heal is a joke AND its bugged

like

the talent is just a placeholder

[storm hedge]

Oh ok

[royal lantern]

1% every 2 seconds

is very slightly higher basic life regeneration

[storm hedge]

that would be more than 17k over 3 mins

[royal lantern]

like, the problem with healing talents/selfheal stuff is

it only really matters if it means a healer actually doesnt need to heal you or can help you sustain a bit longer trought heavy dmg (and then its really fucking OP)

aka things like warlock stronger healthsstones

99% of healing talents themself are not doing anything really, cus like, you take dmg from a group dmg mechanic->healer NEEDS to heal and top everyone anyway and will do it mostly with aoe heals or cd's, it doesnt matter if you are at 30% hp or at 36% cus of some meme selfheal thing

[storm hedge]

yea my thinking exactly. I'll just take aoe blind everywhere even when i wouldn't use it

just to save myself from having to retalent that

[royal lantern]

tbf, the aoe blind+blackjack is really strong and played almost everywhere anyway

cus like

what else do you wanna take there lmao

gouge?

tricks?

lol

[storm hedge]

I had blackjack for nothing basicly and recup so i took aoe blind

[keen spruce]

always irritant. tricks can be good though

especially on big pulls like in throne or EB

you can somtimes tag a mob that the tank has like 0 aggro on and get bonked

but blackjack is pretty okay too

[gaunt moat]

Hey, just wanted to let you guys know I've released a new version of the kingsbane WA
Thanks to @upbeat needle to bringing to my attention it didn't track poison stacks amount correctly when using deathmark (at which point, every poison application is doubled)
(And as always thanks @slate crown for the help in implementing improvements to the code)

Now you should be seeing your poison stacks going as high as they should
upon reaching the cap (99) it will say "MAX"

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug
(also opened a ko-fi haha 👉🏻 👈🏻 )

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

[upbeat needle]

ayyyy maybe now i wont feel like shit compared to my sim

[gray hazel]

Thanks Notter! Is there an easy way of adding a timer to the kingsbane icon to show how much longer it’s active for?

[rare jackal]

thank you based notter

[cedar yew]

Does anyone have a go to video to watch for learning assa? I've only played outlaw and just got my head around it but would like to learn assa as going into mythic prog soon! It seems like 30 buttons are needed!

[gaunt moat]

you can show the timer if you disable hiding it.
but i've done that because it continues showing a countdown after KB is over, showing the linger duration for the WA.
so i don't suggest doing it, but it's up to you.

[gray hazel]

Thank you so much!

[shy pecan]

Look up Whispyr on Youtube. All his videos about assassination are on there

[cedar yew]

Thank you!!!

[ionic arrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hardy wagon]

Do you still FoK over mutiliate at 3+ targets even if you're in the single target build? even if blindside procced?

Wowhead guide seems to imply so but it feels bad in raid not sure if it's just feelscraft

[royal lantern]

eh

4+ tbh

like, when you can actually get more CP from using FoK then you get from using mut

and you are using mut/ambush sometimes anyway, cus like, gotta trigger splatter

[signal badger]

is lariat still good when we have full sockets?

[lean portal]

at 3 i fok and ambush with blindside

no idea if its correct

at 4 always fok

[limber lion]

How would you get Blindside procs if you only use FoK?

Same goes for you @hardy wagon

[lean portal]

apply caustic

[limber lion]

So you don't always FoK then

[balmy condor]

the whole fok thing is

very cringe

technically the rule is 2+dtb

so like arterial shock in m+?

would fok on 2

[sacred wedge]

always learning

[balmy condor]

yeh it's just

if you take that onto like a 2 target patchwerk fight

it looks kinda cringe

assassination AoE is always a very delicate balance

[sacred wedge]

it is finnicky

[balmy condor]

the sim has basically 3 opportunities to decide what to use

it goes through its list, does all the cooldowns and whatever

[limber lion]

if it sims well for you, then yes

[balmy condor]

and then it goes:
"do I need to maintain caustic"

and if yes, it obviously muts/ambushes

[old halo]

just fat finger cheap shot and not worry about it

[balmy condor]

"what is the better combo point builder"

which is the 2+dtb rule

and the last one is "do I need to spread poisons for bleed energy"

where it would choose to tab-mut on 2, or fok on 3

what the sim can't do very well on top of that

[signal badger]

yeah issue is siming it with all the different gems before crafting it, but i have nothing else to craft so might as well try it

[balmy condor]

is also know what the fuck you want to do

cause yeah fok on 2 is dumb as hell

[limber lion]

You can just add sockets to your gear and see if it sims better or not

[balmy condor]

but if you're just aoe'ing with no bother

[limber lion]

You can do anything in sims

[balmy condor]

go for it

caustic throws it off balance

[limber lion]

You don't need to have the item or the sockets to sim them

[balmy condor]

cause now deathmark and kingsbane and mutilate applying poisons, means you get aoe

while also getting single target

so is the goal "more damage"

or "more damage to X target"

[sacred wedge]

is there a way to make your target clearer on the ground in aoe situations? sometimes when im aoe'in a big pack all them nameplates stack on top of each other and the screen is a mess and i press a button and im not facing towards targets or ive gone so much in for FoK that I passed my target already

[limber lion]

But yes, it's possible for Lariat to sim the best at max sockets for some profiles.

[signal badger]

uhhh i meant like how top gear can do the replace gems thing

[limber lion]

Yes that's what you can do

without having the item

and the sockets

You just add the item to your inventory in the string

You don't actually need to have it

[signal badger]

oh ill have to find the string then

tyvm!

[limber lion]

Easy way is to sim Gear Compare

And then you just copy the string from the Raw Input

[balmy condor]

I mean visually no, but that sounds like bad nameplates

[limber lion]

You just scroll down and find it there.

Then you take the string, put it next to all the other items in your inventory, and then take the big simc string to Top Gear

[signal badger]

will do thank you love you

[limber lion]

Good luck

[sacred wedge]

prob my plates arent stacking close enough to each other

i did change them to match my new ui

[balmy condor]

there's also options to highlight your target nameplate