season 2 is the best look since blood fang and you know it.. but what bonus should we be voting for ?
#assassination
worn badger
raven gull
missed s2, so happy if I can get this set
worn badger
i missed the mythic color by 1 freaking dungeon for shoulders , have the other colors , but the s3 catch up gear is still bugged and giving only lfr color =/
the lfr s2 all silver is amazing on mecha gnome though, we look like tiny shredder
real question time though. old man rogue now and i think im terrible at snap shotting and some of the mechanics around these set bonuses, are there any video guides or rogue streamers that might be able to explain it ? im a much stronger visual learner
worn badger
neat, thanks. suprised i didnt know he had a chanel. i feel extra old now
drifting cloud
its pretty new
vital haven
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
drowsy hollow
I can see people wanting to vote for s1 with the current power of kingsbane.
lament bolt
It might be getting a fair bit of the PvP player vote. Apparently the S2 bonus was bugged or something.
bright turret
I would hope not since it doesnt do anything for it
lament bolt
Sample size of like two forums posts
balmy condor
It might be getting a fair bit of the PvP player vote. Apparently the S2 bonus w...
Are you implying that people pvp?
lament bolt
It's in the realm of possibility. I certainly don't
drowsy hollow
I liked s2 sin bonuses but I understand if they are weak
lament bolt
Totally unsurprising that S2 is winning the transmog choices.
Ah well, screamed into the wind for S1 mog, S2 bonus. Mog mainly because I didn't play much in S1 and have 9/9 of S2 mog in all four difficulties. Already dined on all the turtle soup.
oak tangle
I'd be down for a set that changes gameplay up a bit more
thorn fjord
What we voting boiz
oak tangle
lol
balmy condor
The most gameplay you’re getting is season 3 chaining envenoms instead of playing for envenom uptime
oak tangle
desyncing kb from dm would smoothen out the damage curve would it not, if that happened
balmy condor
Or season 2 maybe pushing kingsbane 2 seconds later into dm
oak tangle
oh
balmy condor
desyncing kb from dm would smoothen out the damage curve would it not, if that h...
Well you’d for sure never fucking do that
oak tangle
poopoo that
balmy condor
Desyncing is full troll
thorn fjord
Whats the most casual play? Im thinking S2
balmy condor
S1
oak tangle
i was hoping they'd go full corruption levels of busted and just change the slots you could get tier in and let us have 2 4 p
oak tangle
balance for fated raids kekl
storm forum
let us equip 6 pieces cowards
thorn fjord
balance for fated raids kekl
In that case bring back pre patch OL 🤣
oak tangle
idk about everyone else, but i'm not overly interested in fated raids. we've seen all the raids already, and progression just isn't the same in that regard. will have to see more about what they are changing up before i'm interested. They should balance all 3 sets and make the tokens redeemable for all rather than having a poll outside the game that alot of people wont see
arctic socket
So which sets bonus gave gave the most for sin?
stable tree
hey everyone--wondering what % mastery and crit i should be aiming for before evening out other stats as assa. currently 474 with 60% mastery and 41% crit
stable tree
okay cool, ty!
arctic socket
The only % we aim for it 228.7% haste for infinite energy! (This is a sin meme)
balmy condor
So which sets bonus gave gave the most for sin?
What’s it matter
raven egret
well, season 3 set winning by a landslide
balmy condor
We’ve gotten a rework since and they’re tuning anyway
junior yoke
We’ve gotten a rework since and they’re tuning anyway
Are they tuning now?
raven egret
Have you missed the buffs and nerfs of the patch so far...?
balmy condor
Are they tuning now?
Not sure what the question is
They said they would tune the bonuses
junior yoke
Have you missed the buffs and nerfs of the patch so far...?
? I’m talking about now
balmy condor
What
balmy condor
Tune what
open reef
There is blue post
balmy condor
We’re talking about season 4
open reef
Yea
junior yoke
Uhm don’t see the blue post
balmy condor
Pins
oak tangle
i just got up too, but it's 4 pm for me soooooooo
royal lantern
me voting for outlaw S1 cus im a hater 
river cipher
Ngl dont understand why they couldn't have been like "fuck it" and given us the option for all 3 sets
Shit woulda been wild
royal lantern
idk
runic hinge
They should give us the option for any set in wow history
river cipher
They should give us the option for any set in wow history
I mean that objectively doesn't work
runic hinge
Don't care I'm not here for logic
river cipher
Clearly not
royal lantern
took 2hours until casuals went from "hehe funny train" to "wtf this is bad" when everyone with a brain said that
river cipher
its a bad idea overall
last time they did smth like that, we got grimrail as m+
Best M+ dungeon ever 
You must understand short=good
runic hinge
That's what she said
river cipher
You wish
near valley
So sin bros I'm casting s2 set as my vote for u guys right?
river cipher
So sin bros I'm casting s2 set as my vote for u guys right?
Yes if you want outlaw to have s1 set
royal lantern
how do you know that lmao
reminder that this discord is like, 0,1% of the playerbase of a class
your votes dont mean shit if the forum andys decide otherwhise
royal lantern
mate
nobody knows who KFC is outside of your bubble
lol
internet community bubbles and their consequenses are gigantic, people REALLY dont realise how much of a minority they actually often are
oak sky
s1 didnt do anything
royal lantern
s1-s2 where boring, but did their job
royal lantern
s3 is cool and should be a talent
but atleast nothing that makes gameplay worse
like spriest s3 set
oak sky
theres no functional difference between any of the 3 tho
at least not a big one
so it shouldnt matter that much which one gets picked
i feel like sin basically played different each tier because of the reworks and not really the sets
limber lion
runic hinge
I did
storm forum
Ikr
balmy condor
storm forum
I love court mandated breaks
royal lantern
I can’t wait to not log in for season 4
based and real
royal lantern
fated as a 1x thing during SL to make the drought better? sure, why not
fated as a REGULAR thing? yikes lmao
near valley
And then play maplestory
Don't you do that most of the time anyway?
worn badger
its a build your own adventure this time!
balmy condor
Don't you do that most of the time anyway?
Yeah but I still log in to raid every week like a fucking idiot
royal lantern
They said it would be different this time
ye, instead of "dispell players or soak circles" it will be "cc a add that spawns"
DIFFERENT
balmy condor
ye, instead of "dispell players or soak circles" it will be "cc a add that spawn...
They’re going to double all add spawns and damage amps
balmy condor
Instead of affixes every week you’ll get to talk to a dragon and pick the easiest affix yourself
Very cool
Idfk
Fated is just a shit system
near valley
I hope they bring back storming affix to really gives us that throwback feel
storm forum
I like the idea of a short recap season, but it's just not for me. I'll play the story quests if any come out and then unsub.
balmy condor
I like the idea of a recap season but it would mean re-progging dogshit fights
And that’s not it
near valley
Maybe we've been jebaited and timewlaking season rumour is the real season
Coping hard
balmy condor
Oh boy we get to re-prog zskarn but this time with an affix? I’m pogging and cumming and shitting and pissing myself
What a fun time
storm forum
Next expac though? I'm excited.
near valley
I like the idea of a recap season but it would mean re-progging dogshit fights
Gotta kill broodkeeper again honey
royal lantern
I like the idea of a recap season but it would mean re-progging dogshit fights
yep
thats a bit of an problem overall, heroic is a joke outside of its release week, so its boring instantly, and mythic re-prog is the opposite of fun
i spend hours sufferimg against some of the worst Bosses like zskarn
i dont want it again lol
near valley
Gotta pray for 2 different rings
balmy condor
Oh goodie, we get to do 3 hours of weakaura bug fixing on echo again?
near valley
To go with ur volc neck
worn badger
but hey, we get dfbd and branch!
runic hinge
Puzzle box 
oak tangle
have they confirmed the dungeon pool?
worn badger
outlaw players dont have brains, its whjy they get guns
balmy condor
And then all the new trials we got since we were in vault won’t have the weakauras that we used and half of them will break so you gotta get new versions that then don’t work for 4 people so then you gotta sit there and figure out why and it turns out that it was reading the ert note wrong
Fucking Christ
What a shit game
oak tangle
why are people assuming puzzle box, when we could potentially not even have a single DF dungeon in the pool
royal lantern
And then all the new trials we got since we were in vault won’t have the weakaur...
real
worn badger
ive never used a weak aura, i hate them.
royal lantern
dont forget the macro pressing whisp
balmy condor
ive never used a weak aura, i hate them.
Yeah well, welcome to mythic raiding
storm forum
Oh goodie, we get to do 3 hours of weakaura bug fixing on echo again?
Did I ever tell y'all how I deleted boss mods after echo and then forgot about it until we recleared back to echo?
worn badger
no im to old for that shit lol. im 40 now, 26 years of mmo raiding has left me like a 90 year old irl
royal lantern
balmy condor
Not having WA’s in mythic prog might as well be a big sign saying “kick me from the guild”
Especially with all the private aura nonsense
You actually just fuck over your entire raid
near valley
?????
there will be new gear bozo <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
I mean I don't know about u swamp dwellers but you'd likely still be going for fated volc neck as an outlaw unless something better comes up
royal lantern
private auras becoming more common and Augmentation
the 2worst things from DF
that will have longlasting effects
storm forum
I did fine somehow. Until reclear and we were wondering why the WA wasn't working again and one of the reasons (there were so many reasons) was that I didn't have bigwigs installed.
bright turret
looking forward to being yelled at for blinding wrong sparks on rasz
oak tangle
i think aug is fine if there is like 3/4 other specs that do the same, but as a singular spec, yeah is a problem, they should at least add a dh support spec
worn badger
yeah thats pretty messed up. when the game needs people to program alarms so that its beatable something needs to change. but i guess its fun to someone.
balmy condor
yeah thats pretty messed up. when the game needs people to program alarms so th...
It’s not even alarms, it’s just you actually can’t assign some of these mechanics on the fly
bright turret
private auras aren't necessarily awful, it's when they make them and then clearly do not test if a normal human can do the mechanic
storm forum
You can actually do the entirety of aberus with only the MD timer WA, except for Echo. Fuck echo. Fuck echo with a rusty pole.
royal lantern
🙂
balmy condor
The timing is too quick and the positioning is too precise
bright turret
i'd like to know how the dev cooked up fyrakk intermission and then went "yea this is fine as is"
balmy condor
I mean it’s a natural evolution of the game
You gotta make things more complex
Cause something like a naxxramas patchwerk
Just can’t cut it
The problem is they’re making fights more complicated
oak tangle
my intro to raid fights was varimathras, basically stack and burn
storm forum
Did any boss in dragonflight have a classic dragon tail swipe mechanic?
balmy condor
But then also trying to crack down on addons giving the info needed to do it
So then it’s just a fucking disaster
royal lantern
Did any boss in dragonflight have a classic dragon tail swipe mechanic?
not really, cus that doesnt fit into modern wow
storm forum
That's a tragedy
balmy condor
They gotta change somehow
Either you fix the UI to give info and allow people to plan it, in game, naturally
Or you don’t make mechanics that are so fucking insane that they require weakauras
Echo would be very doable without weakauras had they just decided to make wall breaks do like a third of the damage
bright turret
Rasz was close to a perfect endboss imo, challenging, but you could pretty much do it without crazy WAs
balmy condor
So you would be able to break more
Make room
And then run into the room
But nah
Wall breaks = wipe
So now you gotta do degen shit
fringe lily
We're voting for season 3 tier set bonuses yeah?
royal lantern
Rasz was close to a perfect endboss imo, challenging, but you could pretty much ...
jaina was peak mythic Raidboss imo
balmy condor
Fucking stupid design
oak tangle
Rasz was close to a perfect endboss imo, challenging, but you could pretty much ...
did you do mythic or just heroic
royal lantern
We're voting for season 3 tier set bonuses yeah?
ye
brittle jungle
Hi, for s4 need bonus set s1 or s3; not s2 because bugged.
oak tangle
i didn't actually do the fight, but it looked kinda bs that you required evokers to take a priest on it
bright turret
Yea, it definitely had some flaws regarding strict comp
but I don't recall needing any WAs for its mechs much
oak tangle
heroic was pretty banger though
i just hated it cause of the aoe sections and playing sin
raz with current sin though? $$$
bright turret
Sub will be even more busted as it is than it was back then
royal lantern
assa was good for raza wdym
oak tangle
it was good, but the intermission sections and adds sucked dick
balmy condor
Hi, for s4 need bonus set s1 or s3; not s2 because bugged.
Found the one guy still doing pvp 
bright turret
Depended on your comp, and prog, but sub was really good on the fight due to shield damage, and add damage during p1 intermission
bright turret
Oh, heroic generally flops to any spec
oak tangle
yeah it's about the feel for me, and it felt terrible to do the adds as sin
worn badger
id like to see stuff like the old scholo final boss but as a raid , personal scenarios requring you to know your class.
gentle burrow
Yall voting s2?
near valley
Ofc
gentle burrow
Gotta help vote my fellow siblings
oak tangle
but having kb to cleave on the intermission adds will be nice
bright turret
Atleast you can do a little padding with caustic and s3 set on em if we keep it
balmy condor
Yall voting s2?
Vote the one you think is fun
worn badger
and yeah whispyr, you know rogue pvp is bad when pika gives up on it
worn badger
pins
balmy condor
and yeah whispyr, you know rogue pvp is bad when pika gives up on it
I mean it’s time to just retire pvp as a whole
balmy condor
Whats a quick sumary of the tiersets?
If only I made a pin
Doing exactly that
Wouldn’t that be cool
worn badger
too many words
gentle burrow
I dont even come here
bright turret
Clearly you just vote for S3 since the other rogue sets are doing that
royal lantern
there u go
worn badger
also i just want to say, i got the 8bitdo nes themed keyboard for xmas and its amazing
runic hinge
yeah it's about the feel for me, and it felt terrible to do the adds as sin
The p3 damage tho
oak tangle
The p3 damage tho
yeah, imagine the p3 damage now
gentle burrow
Ok i read the pings idk what the fuck a kingsbane is, wasnt that a movie?
runic hinge
Raz will be a fun fight on heroic in s4 as sin for sure
worn badger
it comes with 2 extra giant A and B buttons you can macro to anything and having a giant vanish button is hilarious
oak tangle
it feels like they designed the sin rework to be the perfect class for raz
bright turret
i mean, they made it practically the perfect spec for boss killin
burst is almost always >>>> than flat damage
and they went wild with it in rework
runic hinge
Sub was already super good before idk how it won’t be good again
royal lantern
i mean, they made it practically the perfect spec for boss killin
except sub does that overall better rn
again
for the 3000th time 
balmy condor
Ok i read the pings idk what the fuck a kingsbane is, wasnt that a movie?
Maybe don’t vote for a tier set if you don’t know how a spec works idk
bright turret
i do not envy sub rogue sin fated
balmy condor
Seems not good
bright turret
trying to cook up perfect CD usage for 20 new bosses
ill stick with my facerolling for slightly less boss damage
bright turret
except sub does that overall better rn
again
for the 3000th time <:kekdog:9072...
Sure sub is the best raid spec in the game atm, but it doesn't change that sin is still very strong. The gap isn't big enough to feel forced to play it
royal lantern
Sure sub is the best raid spec in the game atm, but it doesn't change that sin i...
mate, they recruited @winged sun and ghost me now because i said that i dont wanna play sub on tindral when i hate the gameplay of DF sub and my gear is bad for it
stupid mofos gonna be stupid
balmy condor
Wait You raid with zeross?
bright turret
I'm sure there is a bit more to it than that, but either spec downs tindral just fine
royal lantern
he joined 3 weeks ago ye
aka
they recruited him
and i didnt get too raid for a couple weeks now
balmy condor
I’d fucking uninstall lmao no shot
royal lantern
and when asked about it got told "dont wanna talk about it" 🙂
and also no logs too look for something new cus all private logs
im slightly pissed, ngl
guild going from 1 of the best i ever had too shitshow cus they chase the HoF high now
and going full idiot
bright turret
It just now starting tindral prog?
royal lantern
60% of raidteam replaced during progress
bright turret
Feel like it's a bit late in the game to sweat perfect comp
funny thing is KB lines up with a lot of roots so sin can feasibly do good root damage too
oak tangle
can sin just get outlaw S2 set but change BTE to shiv
storm forum
I know BTE is between the eyes, but my brain is programmed to think of it as Blood (of) The Enemy
runic hinge
It was AP and exsang
quartz snow
can sin just get outlaw S2 set but change BTE to shiv
Sorry but I know I will be taken for an idiot but.. I've seen the word "sin" many times here without knowing the meaning...
Could you help me to understand please :)?
quartz snow
Jeez, thanks, I'm stupid.
oak tangle
XD
icy acorn
sub>sin
quartz snow
I've tried sub,. Completely. Different game play, sin more chill
oak tangle
i played sub for the first time the other day, literally first time playing it for H fyrakk. the fight just ends and you're unaware how you got there
icy acorn
sub punishes you for bad cooldown usage
oak tangle
sin you are aware of every minute you are waiting for cd's
quartz snow
I've literally created this character Saturday night at 9pm. Played a bunch Sunday. Yesterday trial with guldies only..
I don't know if I deserve it https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Pyrmmdd
I barely know the rotation
icy acorn
deserve what
quartz snow
All this gear
oak tangle
cute
quartz snow
For my experience
icy acorn
not many people need normal/hc gear at this point
oak tangle
if anyone else needed that gear this far into the expac, they haven't been playing so deserve it as much as you
icy acorn
altough some ppl might be fuming seeing double nick of time after 2 days
icy acorn
:^)
oak tangle
i got one at 483 and i've resigned to never getting a second
arctic hare
i've given up on that shit
I never even tried lmao
tulip stratus
should i turn off crippling for sang
icy acorn
i got one at 483 and i've resigned to never getting a second
im doing fall for my weeklies only
and i tell you
i have never seen so many sandglasses
arctic hare
i have never seen so many sandglasses
They drop like fuckin candy lol
icy acorn
dropped like 4 in 6 runs
oak tangle
i'd honestly take any dagger on myth track as it's probably my biggest upgrade
icy acorn
for my guild
igira still hasnt dropped the dagger once
after killing her every week since week 1
oak tangle
im 483 ilvl, without touching a single mythic raid boss
i could probably get 2-3 more ilvl for getting more crests, but got aotc the week before xmas and haven't played properly since
icy acorn
i just cope every wednesday for a dagger
fringe lily
Tbf, I've only ran fall 8 times this week
icy acorn
and a waist
quartz snow
Is death mark - Kris - shadow dance into kb with garot /rupture reapply for buff
The good way for burst window? Or am I doing it wrong?,
And reply Kris + vanish before kb ends?
quartz snow
igira still hasnt dropped the dagger once
Is it bis? Cause I've passed on her dagger yesterday cause I have 2 nick of time
icy acorn
mainhand is always Ilvl > stats
royal lantern
^
icy acorn
and if they are the same ilvl, a third extra dmg stat will almost always outweight it
oak tangle
Is death mark - Kris - shadow dance into kb with garot /rupture reapply for buff...
would have to check a log to tell you
icy acorn
and since Offhand is literally only for autoattacks and energy recovery, a third stat like timestrike will outweight ilvl most of the time
depends on how many ilvl of course
oak tangle
i think it's also muted by how the current upgrade system works, where you get comparable ilvl from vastly different difficulties
quartz snow
not bis, but its ilvl
I'm a mother fucker
I've passed on it
But it was mythic level?
I didn't checked
oak tangle
unlikely
open reef
@balmy condor gameplaywise - does tier sets We gonna vote on, gonna force us to change with some talents/roation from prev seasons - lets say back towards sepsis etc ?
oak tangle
you have to do mythic to get mythic level
quartz snow
well, augure in heroic mod will dropped in mythic level tho
oak tangle
you can almost consider the final heroic boss to be a mythic boss
that's how they've kinda scaled the difficulty this xpac, last boss is comparable to early mythic
runic hinge
Dathea was so bad
oak tangle
i think that prog will be much easier
runic hinge
We never killed her a second time
oak tangle
not looking forward to eranog ring farm if flaring cowl comes back
icy acorn
it probably will
they nerfed it hard and was still extremely good for a fairly long period of s2
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> gameplaywise - does tier sets We gonna vote on, gonna forc...
season 2 might make us play sepsis again
but kinda not sure
the new talent tree afte the rework
made sepsis/bone spike
really garbage
arctic hare
Which kinda sucks, both are pretty cool abilities
balmy condor
yeah I mean it's pointless to look at previous season rotations
they're completely irrelevant to the current talent tree
open reef
kk
royal lantern
really garbage
good
oak tangle
i kekl'd when fuu posted the sub sims using all 3 tier sets
much mislead, many pointless
and then peeps are like "s3 is 25%!! vote that one"
arctic hare
I preferred the s2 Sub
balmy condor
yeah I mean
no shot anyone looks at this
and goes
"oh yeah that's informative"
balmy condor
does being a rogue remove your ability to use logic
arctic hare
yes. yes it does lmao
balmy condor
unfortunate
royal lantern
beeing a wow player does
arctic hare
Exactly
oak tangle
very suprised that the tier sets designed for a previous iteration of the spec don't compete with the set that was
icy acorn
oh yeah that's informative
indigo mulch
I mean maybe we can be relevant again if go for s2 set :c
icy acorn
def gotta pick s3 then
royal lantern
I mean maybe we can be relevant again if go for s2 set :c
???
indigo mulch
I don't know! Maybe there is some weridness in there 😄
oak tangle
i mean maybe our rupture will do as much for us as it does for sub then?
royal lantern
assa is in its most relevant state in the last 2expansions mate
oak tangle
huh
indigo mulch
Yes, sin is pretty darn good in comparisson to the 2 last seasons 😄
indigo mulch
lol
indigo mulch
Maybe D:
still sky
I sure do wish I were relevant 😔
balmy condor
I'm starting to realize that the problem with blizzard putting up a poll for people isn't the troll votes or the bugs or the community perception of the strength of certain bonuses
the real problem is just the lack of literacy amongst wow gamers
near valley
Well ofc
oak tangle
make a tier set, that reduces your damage when do meet a certain condition. and then people who are illiterate will do less damage, because they'll read it thinking they are meant to do those conditions
royal lantern
the real problem is just the lack of literacy amongst wow gamers
mate
like 50% of the votes will be by people that think "season X had the best transmog, i vote for it" cus they dont read
have fun
🙂
oak tangle
is it just a yes or no question for pooling
royal lantern
fury will be 100% s3, cus fury aith current tier set does good dmg
but s3 set plays bad and s2 played awesome
wow players see big bar->good gameplay, even more so in hindsight
normal mist
I can't really see the voting, how's it going so far?
(website doesn't open for me still)
oak tangle
Biden won
balmy condor
what gameplay
season 1 is very balanced on bleed/poison, season 2 is very bleed heavy/drawn out damage instead of burst, season 3 is very nature damage and burst heavy
oak tangle
season 1 is very balanced on bleed/poison, season 2 is very bleed heavy/drawn ou...
but rotationally, would anything change
icy acorn
the most fun gameplay is the one with the biggest numbers obviously
ashen orbit
What’s easier 😅
normal mist
S2 was pretty easy
normal mist
Yeah pretty much
oak tangle
you'd move kingsbane around, pool differently
whatever makes this one happen i'm all for, fun to me is "different than before"
normal mist
All we do is learning a new opener and how to set up CDs and that's it
ashen orbit
Well fair enough, only played assa this season
balmy condor
whatever makes this one happen i'm all for, fun to me is "different than before"
then I guess you're voting for either season 1 or season 2
ashen orbit
So I trust the community
normal mist
So I trust the community
Don't
ashen orbit
No idea what I should vote, I abstain
oak tangle
i think the season 1 set looks interesting for m+ so i may go for that
dark token
and then peeps are like "s3 is 25%!! vote that one"
Ye this is dumb people voting for highest dps set
dark token
i think the season 1 set looks interesting for m+ so i may go for that
S2 is way better for m+
That's why I voted for s2, since I want sin to be bis m+ spec
slate crown
I like the explosions in s3, I like the envenom chaining
So I voted s3
Idn about the numbers
dark token
I like the giga bleed sudden demise gameplay that s2 set will bring
oak tangle
it's not that i dislike s3, but if there is any hope of having fun in fated i dont want it to be season 3+
royal lantern
we love democracy and making informed decisions about what you want to do
nah, fuck that, my opinion good, everyone Else wrong
dark token
Raids in s4 usually are lame only reason fated was good last time was the m+ rota was really fun
royal lantern
dark token
So I don't like voting for raid focused set like s3 personally
balmy condor
nah, fuck that, my opinion good, everyone Else wrong
what are you guys voting for SMILE
indigo mulch
I'm voting for trump
oak tangle
which mog did you guys vote for
dark token
Really I'm just disappointed in blizz
royal lantern
enlightend centrist
im not voting at all, all are equaly bad
dark token
Not giving us all 3 sets
royal lantern
oak tangle
I am still 
that the reason they are asking us which set, is because they are gonna tune it to be giga busted
royal lantern
i mean ,tmog is weird af anyway
like, you can just tmog it anyway????
dark token
Yeah exactly
So this is strictly less "choose ur tier set!!!" Than if they gave us all 3 sets to mix and match 4p/2ps
Everyone could pick their preferred gameplay for situation, like m+ in s2 2p s3 2p or something
Doing nothing would actually be an improvement over this
oak tangle
i mean there is much less work to be done for the season than the others, (at least it seems that way) but their balance department isn't any bigger so they probably can't tune all 3 sets
modest glen
Just give everyone all 3 set bonuses at the same time
dark token
If they give us all 3 u don't need to tune em
oak tangle
that's not true
modest glen
Like a 12-set
dark token
Cause 1) 4fun season and 2) s3 bonuses mostly are higher
And I honestly doubt they will tune the bonuses anyway and they just announced to casuals ilvl will be equal
We will see
normal mist
Transmog wise, which set we missing boys?
I'm missing LFR S1 only 😦
fringe lily
All the lfr
normal mist
You don't xD
dark token
Unless they give us new color ways but they didnt say that
normal mist
real pike
So am I in the minority thinking this is lazy cuntishness from Blizz? Or are all the posts on reddit/forums praising this from bot farms?
mortal pond
is it true? some sites tell me not to spec into crimson tempest for m+, but isn't this the main aoe spender?
normal mist
Depends on the build
real pike
is it true? some sites tell me not to spec into crimson tempest for m+, but isn'...
I think not if you have 4 set then it's envenom?
mortal pond
oooh i just saw the 4set, that makes sense!
hushed fable
I wish that Blizz would do the only reasonable thing to do. Allow you to use any of the 3 tier sets. Make it an enchant or whatever. Balance doesn't matter in fated season anyway, it's pure casual fun season.
mortal pond
but i guess while leveling and untill i have to 4 set i should spec into it?
dark token
is it true? some sites tell me not to spec into crimson tempest for m+, but isn'...
It is when talented into it
You should decide not spec into it when you push for 0.1% title
In all keys below 25 it should be better than not having it
Run the AP shock build on wowhead for open world content/keys up to 25
real pike
I wish that Blizz would do the only reasonable thing to do. Allow you to use any...
I think if I'm reusing the same gear from earlier in the xpac blizz can use the same sub money I paid back then too
Not even bothering to allow you to mix and match
It's a joke imo
dark token
It's a joke imo
Ye them just doing no work and releasing all 3 sets would have been better than this lol
oak tangle
So am I in the minority thinking this is lazy cuntishness from Blizz? Or are all...
lazy? maybe, but they haven't really said anything about what is happening with fated, so it could be good, I reserve my judgement until it's released. As for praising them for it. fuck no
for all we know, the reason we are being asked which set me like is because they are planning to make one baseline
and you can equip a second
real pike
Think you're giving them too much credit personally, 10 years ago I'd agree but current actiblizz...
oak tangle
not giving anyone credit, but there is no use dooming and down badding them
if you go into fated season in a happier mood about it, you'll have more fun in it
real pike
While I agree with you about actually playing it, don't agree that if a paying customer complains about something they're a Karen and need to just accept things and be happy about it etc
If disappointment isn't voiced, one can't complain when nothing changes
spice sentinel
Not thrilled but gonna take it gor what it is and hopefully have some fun
oak tangle
i agree too, but there is nothing to complain about yet, as all we've been told is that they will refresh old raids, with no details on that yet
real pike
Happy to hold out judgement for now, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised
But on the surface it looks lazy and poorly thought out, people voting for their class are outnumbered 10 to 1 by potential trolls from other classes
oak tangle
the precedent is that SL season 4 was done by like 1 person.. this one is intentional and planned, you have to think that there should be a significant increase in quality
real pike
Should only be allowed to vote if you have a max level toon of that class, even though that wouldn't fully solve the issue
grim jay
the precedent is that SL season 4 was done by like 1 person.. this one is intent...
Aint no way it will ever be better than a new tier. But ye, just gotta wait it out and take it for what it is
Basically just new xpac waiting room
grim jay
Should only be allowed to vote if you have a max level toon of that class, even ...
Couldve just made voting available to only atleast a few months old accounts and only 1 vote in total per account
oak tangle
for all we know, the raid will be a mash up of bosses mish mash of gear options like they have free reign over their own game here. will have to see details before I can comment on it really
mortal pond
sorry for the noob questions, but does deathmark work on the bleeds that are currently on the target? or do i have to re apply em after deathmark?
oak tangle
sorry for the noob questions, but does deathmark work on the bleeds that are cur...
dm duplicates any bleed active on the target, whether appleid before or after
mortal pond
allright nice, thx
quartz snow
hey guys , Wafting or Sophic as weapons enchant ? on wowhead it says Wafting but many top ranking on Warcraft logs , i see sophic .. ?
oak tangle
sophic is not far behind and i tihnk is better for sub, so can use it to save swapping
normal mist
hey guys , Wafting or Sophic as weapons enchant ? on wowhead it says Wafting but...
Just sim both
Whichever sims better use it
grim jay
If you multispec you can just get multiple Nichole Fulltimes for your offhand with different enchants
oak tangle
oak tangle
i'll let you know when i get a second nick XD
grim jay
<:kekdog:907207037757296710>
Dont laugh, just loot em
You just dont want it hard enough
oak tangle
this is true
gusty oak
hello, which the strongest tier bonus set for next season? 1/2/3?
grim jay
Also you are the MC of your story and if Anime told me anything, its that the MC always gets what he needs
balmy condor
hello, which the strongest tier bonus set for next season? 1/2/3?
the one you like the most
grim jay
hello, which the strongest tier bonus set for next season? 1/2/3?
3 rn but they will get tuning like they said in the post
gusty oak
i like 3 than season 2..
gusty oak
3 rn but they will get tuning like they said in the post
gotcha
oak tangle
i'm all about the ap blindside build in m+ so s1 set looks good to me
also bring back poisons doing damage
oak tangle
i know the irony of what i said in that i play ap, and want poisons to do more damage XD, but the increase in bleed from the s1 set with ap would be nice in aoe
oak tangle
Season 1
(2) Set Bonus: Envenom also increases your weapon poisons’ damage by 20%.
(4) Set Bonus: When your weapon poisons deal direct damage, you have a 50% chance to gain Septic Wounds, increasing your Bleed damage by 4% for 8 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.
to make that as powerful as s3 set, that means big bleed or big poison damage
pseudo hamlet
S1 is best because it's just passive. Won't have to play round it(like waiting for the DeathMark to Expire to use KB after from the S2 tier set or pooling for the Envenom spam from S3 tier set).
Considering that the damage gain will be the same(after tuning) S1 is most optimal. Same gain for lower effort. 
oak tangle
and i dont want s3 set again so im picking between 1 and 2. the merit of s2 set is that it spreads out the damage more
pseudo hamlet
hey guys , Wafting or Sophic as weapons enchant ? on wowhead it says Wafting but...
If you do M+ then just do Sophic, it's slightly lower for ST but better in M+/dungeon slice(for me after the sims).
oak tangle
if they buffed the nature damage duration on 2 set to 1 min, i tihnk you would get the second smaller kb inside that buff
that would be cool
pseudo hamlet
I mean, you would probably still wait for the Deathmark to expire to gain the +40% damage from the Kingsbane.
oak tangle
i don't think so, because the first ticks of kb are piss
you'd want the last couple vanish buffed ones at least to be after dm though
pseudo hamlet
KB does higher damage during DM than in the +40% dmg window?
oak tangle
cause dm is a large factor in getting the stacks to make kb do mroe
fringe lily
You need the dm to be before KB in order for the vanish buff at under 3s to work
pseudo hamlet
I am just wondering how Kingsbane is doing more damage in DM than during the straight +40% dmg buff to it?
oak tangle
without deathmark duplicating poisons, your kb doesn't get stacks
(as many)
kb's damage is tied to it's stacks
each stack is a 20% buff to kb
pseudo hamlet
Understandable, just thought that the strict +40% dmg buff is higher than these stacks.
balmy condor
turns out getting an extra like 600% additive damage is really fucking good
vestal wren
We vote for Season 1, right? (just joking)
icy acorn
turns out getting an extra like 600% additive damage is really fucking good
how come?
:^)
quartz storm
Season 1
(2) Set Bonus: Envenom also increases your weapon poisons’ damage by 20...
We vote for this one right ? 😂😂
pseudo hamlet
Vote for whatever you find most fun I guess, they will tune it anyway
vestal wren
^ it does matter to a degree, you can decide what part of the spec you want to emphasize on
quartz snow
For sim as Sin, Dungeon slice or Patchwerk 1:30 - 5 targets ? ( as i do as BDK )
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gxosj28rGYVGrz5Z4KADsm
quartz storm
s2 set was alright but I think s1 is more fun and s3 idk x)
quartz snow
always dslice
Got it 🙂
vestal wren
e.g. the season 2 set is thematically probably the best for sin, but KB goes brr with the current one
echo junco
I hope were taking s1 or s2 for big bleed builds again. Prob wont be as good as s3 set for m+ but still…
vestal wren
think the vote was very in favor of s3 currently
winged quail
All the rogue specs want S3 tier sets lol
balmy condor
I'm probably voting season 2
winged quail
But S2 is the best transmog and nobody can say otherwise
pseudo hamlet
Did vote S1 because it seems easiest to play and it's great for PvP(S2 was bugged and S3 envenom spam almost never happens on the arena).
balmy condor
Did vote S1 because it seems easiest to play and it's great for PvP(S2 was bugge...
pvp omegalul
fringe lily
Whats a pvp
oak tangle
@balmy condor would s2 remove some of our reliance on pi?
balmy condor
yeh
vestal wren
I'm probably voting season 2
pseudo hamlet
Whats a pvp
Cool game mode, try it out 😄
oak tangle
i mean i'm considering wanting 2, because i didn't play sin in s2
near valley
I'm telling you that 90% of this guys are voting based on current tuning
vestal wren
wowhead did not make it clear on the latest post
my morning brain also didn't read the original post
royal lantern
I'm telling you that 90% of this guys are voting based on current tuning <:OMEGA...
more like 99,99999% of players mate lol
oak tangle
basically my vote depends on if i want to raid or m+ on sin
gaunt moat
Well, Season 2 set was crap that made us do more damage after DM ended.
Season 1 was just.. more damage.
season 3 at least has some gameplay.
hardy dagger
Season 2 tier was completely ass
pseudo hamlet
Did I miss something? Why people in the comments are asking if we're voting for the new different color tints?
placid ermine
how do you people even vote on this thing, i cant click anything
pseudo hamlet
spec based tier bonus, and class based mog
Yeah but I didn't see any "new color tints" mentioned anywhere in the blue-posts. I just think it's the same mog as before 
oak tangle
reading forums comments for coherent thought is a bait
vestal wren
Season 2 tier was completely ass
was that tuning?
gaunt moat
tuning was fine, the bonus was bad.
it gave you more nature damage after DM ended.
And it increased Crimson Tempest and Rupture Damage.
vestal wren
season 3 set just seems to be tuned more agressively
so there will be an inherent bias towards the best tuned set
gaunt moat
I reject the notion that tuning is what's gonna dictate results
placid ermine
idk, im kinda vibing with s1 bonuses, idk if nostalgia cuz i liked playing season 1 the most or actually preferrable if tuned accordingly
vestal wren
for subtlety its quite obviouse s3, just because s1 was boring and s2 was painful to play
for outlaw/sin i am not 100%
but votes point to s3 set for all 3 currently
placid ermine
where can i even find the list of all bonuses for all specs, they somehow didnt provide one for a vote, and i have few alts i'd like to vote on too
pseudo hamlet
where can i even find the list of all bonuses for all specs, they somehow didnt ...
On the wowhead I guess
placid ermine
ty mate
oak tangle
realistically, none of the sin sets make it play in a shit way. so it's more of a choice as to damage profile
gaunt moat
realistically, none of the sin sets make it play in a shit way. so it's more of ...
S3 has some gameplay attached to it.
vestal wren
s2 probably too
placid ermine
btw is it just me or are eu links sluggish
oak tangle
that's not what i was saying though
placid ermine
and na work just fine just cant vote there
gaunt moat
btw is it just me or are eu links sluggish
yeah, not working for me
oak tangle
sets changing our gameplay is interesting for about 1/2 weeks while we get used to it
after that it just becomes the rotation. so as long as the change doesn't make it feel shit, then the choice is between damage profile
gaunt moat
I understood what you said, but the subtext is that if they don't affect your gameplay, they can't make it bad.
oak tangle
yeah but none of the sets do
vestal wren
s2 set could lead to some changes in KB usage
gaunt moat
except S3, slightly, as mentioned.
vestal wren
and it focuses on bleeds, what was the core of the spec for years
oak tangle
s3 is a possitive imo though, not a negative
vestal wren
so thematically quite good i would say
gaunt moat
s2 set could lead to some changes in KB usage
maybe, but KB wasn't played except in extremly niche scenarios.
gaunt moat
oh you mean for the future
gaunt moat
hmm. i'm not sure it would.
Because KB would still be better during DM than with 40% extra nature damage.
grim jay
Dunno, to me the nature damage buff after DM is just an abomination
vestal wren
probably
grim jay
No way id vote for that
vestal wren
i think the choice is more interessting on sin
because for sub it seems fairly obviouse
outlaw i am not sure about
royal lantern
realistically, none of the sin sets make it play in a shit way. so it's more of ...
thats the spirit
going for "whats the least amount of shit" 
grim jay
Even assuming the tiersets are equally balanced, the s2 Set has inherent disadvantages
You can more easily suffer from bad killtime and its not as universally useful
mortal pond
sorry for the question but all the guides conflict with eachother, once i get my 4 set to i drop crimson tempest or keep it for aoe?
gaunt moat
I don't think it's interesting for sin, as i said earlier, it's:
S1 - Flat Damage increase
S2 - Anti-synergy set, bad.
S3 - Has gameplay, so favored
vestal wren
sorry for the question but all the guides conflict with eachother, once i get my...
it depends on what you focus on
CT isn't that strong, so many people invest the points into other talents
gaunt moat
I tried cleave build yesterday, no CT. was probably doing better with it
which is kinda sad.
but tells a lot about CT
balmy condor
CT isn't that strong, so many people invest the points into other talents
Soviet just got goosebumps
You’re lucky he’s probably still asleep
mortal pond
allright, so after i get my 4 set i'm dropping CT for the other talents
balmy condor
Any moment now he’s going to show up with a screenshot of his m+ logs
gaunt moat
vestal wren
Soviet just got goosebumps
haha, feel free to correct me ^^
balmy condor
haha, feel free to correct me ^^
I’m not gonna, you’re right
Just means you get to deal with Soviet when he sees it
And not me
open reef
i voted for s3
balmy condor
pseudo hamlet
Would be cool if we could mix the bonuses!
balmy condor
i voted for s3
voting is good
balmy condor
quiet oar
gaunt moat
Those are some lines
balmy condor
Tf am I looking at
gaunt moat
LINES
balmy condor
Also why are they all the same
Well the red one has big bump I guess
Not entirely sure what that’s about
grim jay
Tf am I looking at
He tried to visualize soviets heart line when fuu pressed enter
balmy condor
He tried to visualize soviets heart line when fuu pressed enter
That one got me
10/10
oak tangle
basically,
s1 tier, equal smaller burst, until execute.
s2 tier, equal lower burst but sustained
s3 tier, big burst and repeat
icy acorn
pov mathematical correct dmg curve
balmy condor
basically,
s1 tier, equal smaller burst, until execute.
s2 tier, equal lower bu...
S1 has no implication on burst
It’s just 20% mastery
somber basin
S1 burst lmao
balmy condor
What’s execute gotta do with it
keen spruce
I voted for season 1 
balmy condor
If anything the red line is what season 3 looks like
oak tangle
i want big zoldick
keen spruce
give me mastery
balmy condor
Gonna need more than a 2 piece bonus to do that buddy
Also that would be the season 2 bonus if anything
earnest remnant
Ashes next season whispyr, the prophecy is comin
oak tangle
isn't the season 1 4pc 20% bleed
balmy condor
Yeah and the 2 pc is 20% poison
And the season 2 2pc is big rupture
And the 4 pc is nature damage after Deathmark
balmy condor
Ashes next season whispyr, the prophecy is comin
Not for me it isn’t
I’d have to play season 4
balmy condor
Bet you that I fucking won’t
placid ermine
and you will enjoy it
why did my mind read that in bane's voice from dark knight?
balmy condor
Gonna fly to cali and kiss you on the lips if you dont
Then I definitely won’t
earnest remnant
blazing jewel
This is a good fanfic
royal lantern
"fanfic"
earnest timber
whats the real difference between the sin m+ builds? the one without CT feels kinda miserable if you pull kinda heavy
feel like im in legion praying for pb procs
raven egret
The one without CT doesn't rely on PB at all, it relies on the 4pc explosion and cleaving KB (and spatter of course)
earnest timber
Sorry, lol I guess that was a datona super stretch I should've spoken a bit more clearly.
fringe lily
Your shiv is hitting 4 targets amd buffing the bleeds on them
The big thing u gotta be careful of is more the lack of sudden demise, rather than not having CT
keen spruce
the no-CT build
is spatter big target
send CDs do big damage
big target deadge
other targets were already killed by your DH
if small targets remaining
damage on them don't matter anyways
go to next pack
raven egret
That's not something to be careful about though, you just hyper focus cleave a target with no CT, spend less time spreading bleeds overall
grim jay
That's not something to be careful about though, you just hyper focus cleave a t...
Well you spread atleast enough ruptures to maintain high energy
keen spruce
your group thinks you're bad but you're magically doing dungeons faster now
raven egret
Ain't that da truth
grim jay
I didnt experience a big decrease in overall tbf
lean portal
raven egret
Honestly it's just even more dependant on your tank pull patterns, but it doesn't make much of a difference at the end
Cleaving a juicy 1mil DPS is always fun
grim jay
People on decent key levels all pull more or less the same
oak tangle
same fyrakk logs with one change, may help explain why doing less overall can be good
oak tangle
damage to fyrakk, vs all damage done
icy acorn
cant be good
raven egret
Yay random logs charts things!!!!
oak tangle
was just an addition to the point about cleaving off big targets and making them die faster, while a dh carves up small mobs
raven egret
I mean you can't compare Fyrakk to M+ - the point was you can pick any build for M+ and they will work out close enough
icy acorn
doesnt mean that having more overall is bad
oak tangle
adds have to die, but if they don't have to die immediately, then let them get passive killed by other peeps while you speed up the fight
earnest remnant
how am i supposed to ego check people if my online numbers on a website isnt higher than theirs?
keen spruce
The idea is
icy acorn
how am i supposed to ego check people if my online numbers on a website isnt hig...
fake the numbers
icy acorn
say you have private logs
raven egret
how am i supposed to ego check people if my online numbers on a website isnt hig...
Hey I had mages really upset about my numbers on a website!!
icy acorn
and send some photshoped bar
keen spruce
and you do a shit ton of AoE andk ill small mobs
icy acorn
with a 105 parse
keen spruce
big number on details
2mil+
very pog
but now you have to fight one big mob
and killing one big mob slower because you're all in mass aoe talents
then u lost time
keen spruce
or
u just gorilla dick the big mob
with some spatter
do 1.5m instead
let the DH do 2.5m dps
everything dies about the same time
dungeon faster
keen spruce
earnest remnant
dungeon faster
nah i need to win on overall, or it isnt fun
raven egret
Got to justify that PI so other deeps don't drown in jelly
royal lantern
how am i supposed to ego check people if my online numbers on a website isnt hig...
get real friends
find love
get a pet raccon and do mischief togheter
icy acorn
oak tangle
royal lantern
royal lantern
@earnest remnant REAL
fringe lily
That's not something to be careful about though, you just hyper focus cleave a t...
If you're not careful, you can end up wasting mega energy/finishers with bleeds that don't net you dmg, energy or agi from scent
raven egret
I mean welcome to the entire spec? 🤔
keen spruce
I dont' even worry about spreading bleeds
most of the time
maybe like a couple of ruptures
at the start of a pack if i'm in between CDs
raven egret
Or really, the game. Pretty sure pressing any button that gains you nothing on any spec isn't recommended 😄
fringe lily
Yeah but the guy was talking about the big difference between the CT spec and this week's more ST focused spec
It changes the playstyle
keen spruce
it's not this weeks
arctic socket
Y’all dps during trash?
balmy condor
Y’all dps during trash?
Not I
fringe lily
The % of use on high keys swaps back ans forth every week
arctic socket
Hi whispyr
balmy condor
I tell my group to summon me to the next boss when they’re ready
keen spruce
The % of use on high keys swaps back ans forth every week
what are you defining as high keys
cuz like
balmy condor
I’m above measly trash
keen spruce
top keys are just cleave all the time pretty much
fringe lily
Anything above 24
keen spruce
I was still playing arty shock up till like 26s
balmy condor
Hi whispyr
Hello 
keen spruce
cuz stuff doesn't die
fringe lily
You can see the % swap on subcreation every week
keen spruce
okay but subcreation is hotdog water
and smells like old people
i'm sure lots of people swap week to week
fringe lily
Yeah, but its still just using the stats of key runs
keen spruce
but that doesn't mean you should
like if you're doin 24s and captain mobs don't survive a kingsbane even on fort weeks
then CT probably gets some better mileage
fringe lily
Regardless of whether I should or not - the original question was a someone asking
About the playstyle swap of not having CT and using AP
fringe lily
It changes whether you re-apply bleeds or not
keen spruce
it didn't for me
keen spruce
I like CT, but as some point you just kinda start to feel the ST loss
and basically everything important in these dungeons
is ST
fringe lily
I dont disagree, I run AP
But the folk on here aren't the majority
As we get asked the same question repeatedly
keen spruce
ye i played arty shock for as long as i oculd
fringe lily
And the stats show that folk swap back and forth
keen spruce
then it kinda felt like i was griefing at some point
fringe lily
Each week
keen spruce
well folk are silly
raven egret
Thats why you praise the Abomination in everbloom! These chads are super respectful of our needs and survive long enough for a KB! Usually. .
keen spruce
the same reason you want cleave build on tyran to kill bosses, you want cleave build on fort to kill abombs and witches and etc.
balmy condor
the same reason you want cleave build on tyran to kill bosses, you want cleave b...
With ct
keen spruce
I've been a stinky pirate this week
and i fail the damage check on iridikron +26
at the end
and these goofy fuks in outlaw
tell me
"oh yeah you're supposed to port out and go sub for that boss"
balmy condor
Were you awake earlier
For the “is this the best iridikron build”
And it was no tiny toxic + sepsis
keen spruce
in here? no 
raven egret
Wut
keen spruce
balmy condor
Some dude was like yeah I’ll play cleave for the dungeon
Hearth out
Change to sepsis
Then port back
subtle tundra
fucking hate the bosses this season
raven egret
...
keen spruce
balmy condor
Not having a cap on m+ was a mistake
subtle tundra
somewhere in sl shit went bad and now we're doing too high
balmy condor
then the timer should start going down
You know
keen spruce
so +21 is same difficulty
balmy condor
I kinda like that idea
raven egret
But then people can't complain about the +30 meta affecting +20s
balmy condor
Every level 30 seconds less