assassination

[keen spruce]

how much your guild lets you parse monkey

and not do mechanics

[limber lion]

ruins the page

[gaunt sigil]

These are mine

[keen spruce]

yeah but u have more dead bosses

so your parses are better

[gaunt sigil]

24 smold 1st kill

[limber lion]

a kill is a kill

[keen spruce]

24 is better than "-"

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah, I had a 98 parse yesterday at a 2.6% wipe

[limber lion]

I remember when I used to be a degenerate who would get sad if I didn't get r1 on a prog kill

[gaunt sigil]

Coulda been a mid 90 if it was a kill

[limber lion]

I love the casual life

[north frost]

check whispers utube he did a recent video hon how to review ur own logs

[keen spruce]

true WoW enlightenment

I have not achieved

[gaunt sigil]

I really only log on for raid now

Getting kinda burnt out

[keen spruce]

monkey brain want pink number

[limber lion]

That's what I've always done

Every other content in the game is there just to make my character stronger for raid

[gaunt sigil]

It just feels better fr

[limber lion]

why settle at pink

also getting pink on the last few bosses is not even possible

maybe it is for tindral

[gaunt sigil]

[bronze pike]

need lego to parse

until then i am sadge

blue-purple boi

[limber lion]

nope it isn't

r2 is 98

[keen spruce]

cuz by the time our guild is reclearing things clean enough to compete against most of the field

stealthi's guild is killing bosses in like 14 seconds

I don't think i've ever 100 parsed a mythic boss

[gaunt sigil]

I’m just hoping our guild can get reclearing in a day down consistently so we can have 2-2.25 full raid slots of Tindral prog

[keen spruce]

I had like rank 10 magmoraxx

but that wasn't even an orange parse

[limber lion]

Well with that logic even pink is stretching it then

[keen spruce]

tru

i only pink'd amalg last tier

[limber lion]

There's legit less pink parses than yellow parses on the last 2 bosses

because it's possible to get r1 and a 100

but it's not possible to get a 99 parse

Definitely possible for the first few bosses before the mythic pug walls

[keen spruce]

oh tru

so what you're saying

is

[limber lion]

Legit easier to get 100 than a 99

[keen spruce]

i need to go take a bat to stealthi's knees

[limber lion]

:')

[keen spruce]

and probably scana's too

and quazi's

and a few chinese guys

and ci

[limber lion]

just beat em idk

stealthi's a sub main anyways

surely you can beat him

[keen spruce]

you would think

but this won't be a parse tier for me. we lost 2 full weeks of prog

over the holidays

and this is our last reclear

[waxen oyster]

no branch first month legit bricked things so hard

[gaunt sigil]

I didn’t raid on rogue last tier

[oak sky]

take a keyboard to them

[gaunt sigil]

I struggled to play it at the time because Assa felt like shit in M+ so I just geared and played War

[spice spire]

Just crack an egg on his chest

[waxen oyster]

last tier was sub

[blazing jewel]

Toxic duck

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

Bozo wants to steal my parses

Shiny colors are mine

[keen spruce]

no i want to inherit them

after i put you on injured reserve

it might be assault, but it's not theft

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

I don’t raid for 2 weeks

You have time

Except you will be pressing N

And selecting subtlety

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage wanna see something funny

i only did 1 quick +20 cus christmas time and i was not home for 6 days

[sharp osprey]

...

[blazing jewel]

[limber lion]

based

[shy pecan]

Seems okay

[restive falcon]

sadge i got a 99 on nymue last week

[limber lion]

Yeah well that's a bit different. Plenty of room for 99's there.

[restive falcon]

and i was memeing that pull and swapped to ashes

[waxen oyster]

just kill it first and get 100 because no other logs

[fallen forge]

@keen spruce take this guys knees out while ur at it

[strong garden]

Hey guys, Im currently at 470 outlaw and I have 0 daggers. Id like to get into assassination, but I need to get weapons first. Whats the easiest way to get some starting daggers at least?

[spice spire]

M+

[strong garden]

do I gotta set ass loot spec?

[spice spire]

Or sub yeah

[strong garden]

are there any differences in the drop tables besides the weapons?

[spice spire]

No

[runic hinge]

Let’s goo

[winter vapor]

for mythic Igaria are we holding KB for spear drop?

[balmy condor]

I did for week 1 prog but it’s gonna hurt your dps real bad

Also doubt your guild is killing it slow enough to make a difference

[fleet pagoda]

you overestimate some of our guilds out here

[winter vapor]

ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

I mean just the gear difference alone is wild

Our average ilvl was 462

[bright turret]

I remember there was a CD lining up with her jumping around, and that is a reason to hold, but we locked out week 2 so I don't remember the fight clearly

[balmy condor]

No tier no Igira helm enchant

[balmy condor]

the jumps should really matter

You’re able to full uptime through them pretty easily

[spice spire]

Not to say you’re wrong.
But the skill difference is staggering in cases.
I remember comparing our first boss kill last tier to my heroic guild.
And uh. 20 ilvl diff same kill time

[balmy condor]

[bright turret]

Could be I was just a lot scareder of getting hit by anything in 456 gear

Im a bit of a coward

[fleet pagoda]

green man knows the score. my guild's week 1 gnarlroot kill

[keen spruce]

truuuu

[pliant gazelle]

If I'm assigned to 2nd feather of P1 Tyndral Mythic, I guess my 2nd Kingsbane is doomed ?

[woeful meteor]

yes

ask for first set

[bright turret]

yea, that will screw up ALOT of your stuff the whole fight

ask for a change

[spice spire]

Alright it wasn’t quite that

But this is like week 5 vs week 2 for you lol.

Skill diff is quite large sometimes and it’s unlucky like that

[bright turret]

you need big boss damage, and that will drop an entire KB cause you need to line CDs up with 1st shield

[balmy condor]

85k

[bright turret]

pretty easy argument to make

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

You died on your first kill king

[balmy condor]

Oh right

I remember

[spice spire]

Yeah I kept it in because dropping is a mobile bitch

The 444 I died too lmfao

[balmy condor]

I was about to say is this season 1

Well

[spice spire]

I mean s1 gear

Yeah

Lmfao

[balmy condor]

Yea

Kinda season 1

[spice spire]

425 you ain’t got shit

Gonna make fun of @ember mural first kill parse

[ember mural]

Wait what

[spice spire]

Kazzara with dispel Bob

[bright cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/caturday-cats-box-cats-cute-feline-gif-17642154

[balmy condor]

bob never got dispelled

💀

[ember mural]

Idr what my first kill parse was

[spice spire]

4

[spice spire]

I dispelled him irl

Spent Christmas with that mf

[balmy condor]

wish it was me fr

[spice spire]

Could have been us man

[magic sparrow]

If one were to sim Council would yall do just 2 boss patchwork?

[slim estuary]

Hey! Is outlaw that much better than sin? Seems like our outlaw rogues are just nutty compared to me. What am I doing wrong?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/avW8ry6LtRhcbfNd#fight=28&source=27

[balmy condor]

yeh

[balmy condor]

your trinket is uber ass and you didn't play caustic

[fallen forge]

uber ass

thats a new one

also im back guys the sub experiment failed

it is in fact impossible to play that spec at 300 ping

[slim estuary]

The bandolier?

[balmy condor]

yes

[woeful meteor]

you cast rupture 17 times on spears

[balmy condor]

I stopped looking after I saw internal bleeding and bandolier

[fallen forge]

gotta get those dots up amirite fellas

ethical dps

[woeful meteor]

To answer the initial question Outlaw is pretty insane on the Boss, but there are also some major missplays on your part

[slim estuary]

ok so trinket is a big issue (I am 40+ into EB and no branch)
what should I have done for spears?
I thought this was mostly a ST fight? why is ST splash better?
What else have I misplayed? talents, trinket, spears. Is my rotation right otherwise?

[fallen forge]

if you can get ashes you'll be fine i think

[balmy condor]

for spears you talent into caustic and then vibe

otherwise you don't hit them

with anything

[fallen forge]

cant vibe

[bright turret]

caustic is a lot of free damage for 2-3% less boss damage, and is generally played on everything that isn't boss only

[fallen forge]

gotta autistically time envenom otherwise pad assholes will steal ur parse

[keen swallow]

What's the poison usage? Atrophic, Cripple, Amp and what? Deadly? Or Instant?

[woeful meteor]

Amp > Deadly > Instant > Wound

[slim estuary]

So is my rotation also an issue or is it trinket, spears, and talents that is the issue?

[fallen forge]

whats embed blade

thought i was looking at a sub log

[slow needle]

Bandolier cast vs the return blade is another damage instance.

[balmy condor]

well tamaran said you were spamming spears with rupture

which is giga bad

[slim estuary]

Yup, acknowledged that.

[woeful meteor]

you dropped envenom during KB a few times, missed a KB and a DM cast, the whole rupture on spears thing

[balmy condor]

but I think most of the missing damage tbh is just the rupture and caustic/trinket

[bright turret]

rupture and garrote uptime were low, but probably thrown off from you switching to spears too much

[woeful meteor]

wasted 4 Envenom worth of points from ambush

[balmy condor]

those 3 things along are crazy dps

[woeful meteor]

and a lot of energy

[bright turret]

play caustic and never switch off boss and youll see a big improvement next week

[limber whale]

while using branch, you want to pick up 2 orbs instantly and then leave the 3rd until the last second so it extends the buff right?

[slim estuary]

Ok, we are moving to volk now. So that means back to ST right?
I can't solve the trinket right now...

What can I be improving for sunday?

[balmy condor]

pooling better

so you don't overcap energy and cp

[proven carbon]

question about overcap energy
what do i do when i'm capping
ik its bis to envenom 1 second before exp
so do i just use another builder or

[balmy condor]

when you're overcapping what

[old halo]

send it bro

[balmy condor]

energy?

you would just use envenom

pooling doesn't mean hold your envenom forever until you die

[old halo]

wish i had that problem

[balmy condor]

if you're good on energy just use gcds

[proven carbon]

i thought so but i was doing half and half
sometimes i'd just sit on full energy
other times i'd send the envenom

was never sure which to do

[proven jasper]

Yeah dont sit on full energy

big trollin

[proven carbon]

idk man it felt pretty nice to not be energy starved for a full like 2 seconds
compared to when i'm panicking at 70 energy

to die from thirst or to drown

tis the life

[balmy condor]

capping on energy is one of the worst things you could do

[fallen forge]

sometimes you gotta get doordash so you tell your raid leader its bis to pool at full energy

[proven jasper]

No reason to panic at low energy

[runic hinge]

When you get to like 240 energy you’re starting your envenom chain over again and if you’re getting blindside procs or whatever to get you back to max you just keep sending

[proven jasper]

Just chill for a bit and then go back to normal

[proven carbon]

it really only happens on council tbh
always when my kb is close to coming off cd and i need to just stop casting to have enough for the window

i hate that fight so much

[proven jasper]

Yeah hating council is perfectly valid

Its 💤

[proven carbon]

i'm fine on other fights
council just makes me brim with rage

only one that makes me feel bad about playing melee

[proven jasper]

Just a terrible fight design not fun

[proven carbon]

other than larodar

[proven jasper]

I usually love council fights too

[proven carbon]

is it normal for sim to try and softcap haste for sin? i'm running crafted gear compares and its choosing haste on almost every gem/enchant
before any changes im at 4419 (26%) haste

[balmy condor]

there is no caps on stats

so idk

those numbers are meaningless to me

[proven carbon]

there are diminshing returns though no?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[runic hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[balmy condor]

but that's not something you have to think about

if the sim says haste

then haste is good

[proven carbon]

playing 3 specs really kills all of my gem/enchant thoughts so i never know how to approach it

[balmy condor]

you don't have to approach it

that's what sims are for

[limpid hearth]

Based and robot pilled

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/those-are-big-numbers-ryan-bruce-riffs-beards-and-gear-thats-a-lot-of-numbers-thats-a-huge-number-gif-18586564

mate told me he got to resim his gems and enchants the other day

only parsing in the 50s

I told him to resim his gameplay

dude just picked up the class, read parts of a guide one time and thinks his issue is gems n enchants

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not even that

it's just if we're not going to trust sims on stats

then don't sim

lmao

[misty holly]

parsing 50 isn't bad at all, especially if you are new.

[past forum]

the closest thing to "bad" stats rogue has are haste for sub and mastery/haste for outlaw but even then they aren't piss useless like for some specs

pick your favorite spec, let the robot tell you what stuff makes your number most biggest, then just press your buttons good and you should be fine all around

[balmy condor]

there's plenty of things we can disagree on about sims

but stats ain't one of those things

[grim jay]

depends on your standards and where you are coming from in terms of performance

[proven carbon]

my favorite is outlaw and i used to only do m+
but i started M raiding again and outlaw feels bad on all but igira
sub still feels a bit weird with cd lineups
sin obv is easier but my raid group gives PI to DH, no WFT, and im not in aug group so sub feels more necessary

[bright turret]

to the DH? don't even have a BM hunter to give to if they don't like you?

[grim jay]

dunno, if you dont get pi nor windfury it doesnt even matter if you go sin or sub

tbh

[past forum]

sounds like your concerns are more performance oriented, i highly recommend playing what spec gives you most fun per second

[proven carbon]

sorry i misspoke
pi goes to our bm and dh is always in aug group

[past forum]

outlaw can definitely perform on every boss if that's what you want to play

[grim jay]

its probably the best without pi and windfury even

[proven carbon]

tbh i dont play well enough to make outlaw work
wish i could but it just doesnt compare to my sin/sub damage

[spice surge]

Outlaw on tindral

[proven carbon]

going from only m+ for 2 xpacs with outlaw and then trying to ST i just dont do well

[grim jay]

it didnt sound like he's close to M tindral

[proven carbon]

nah only 4/9

[balmy condor]

on the plus side, when you get to tindral outlaw will probably be fine as well

that boss is getting an orbital nuke any day now

[slim estuary]

I didn't see a section in the Wowhead guide on pooling? Is there any resource I can follow to improve pooling?

[runic hinge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[balmy condor]

The read about hyperlink

Goes to the wowhead guide

[onyx falcon]

jw does anyone macro a PI call to any buttons? n if so to what button

[balmy condor]

Macro to Deathmark

[onyx falcon]

im dumb i thought that was on a 1 min not a 2

[midnight mist]

Don't laugh

[deft vault]

why does everyone still play improved ambush if tight spender is better?

[balmy condor]

Too lazy to fix their talent presets or didn’t get the memo

[deft vault]

so still tight spender on tindral then?

[onyx falcon]

if i dont take Deeper Stratagem, i should prob finish on 3 CP? (grabbed Acrobatic for Nyumue)

[fallen forge]

is my acro even that good for nymue?

[onyx falcon]

well no its a dps loss

but im just struggling w/ the range

n i saw whisprs vid say you can take it

[proven carbon]

does anyone have a pandemic weak aura or is there like a range of times where its good to refresh bleeds
ik u want to let empowered bleeds tick out

[runic hinge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[arctic tusk]

is signet any good on shorter timed fights

[proven carbon]

ik what pandemic is but i was wondering if anyone had a weak aura for it
i can make do with watching the timer but was looking for like a bar or popup since i forget sometimes

[onyx falcon]

if you look at most of the WA packages for rogues you can just steal those

they all glow when in pandemic range

[proven carbon]

honestly i guess i never noticed the glow

thank you friend

[brittle dirge]

can someone help me with a sin question raids wise?

[arctic hare]

Whats the question?

[cerulean nest]

man i press branch right on pull standing exactly here and I think I get almost full coverage LOL

[brittle dirge]

nvm turns out if you actually take the time to read the ability and not assume it answers your question XD

[arctic hare]

I feel that.

[bright turret]

Heh, I didn't know about the tight spender change. 1k gain in sim will help Fyrakk prog

[balmy condor]

I play it when I remember

It’s pretty gud

[prisma cypress]

how r-worded would it be to play acro on nymue? because this shit is annoying

[balmy condor]

I play it when I remember

It’s pretty gud

[keen spruce]

i haven't done nymue without acro yet tbh

[fallen forge]

whats the dps loss on it?

[keen spruce]

on sims? idk a lot

[balmy condor]

Like 3%

[fallen forge]

oh shit then i might play it this week

havent had too much trouble with nymue tho

[prisma cypress]

so i'd just drop tea and vigor for acro and lethality?

[bright turret]

I'm curious what the build is to only lose 3% for acro. Does it involve grabbing echo?

[magic sparrow]

Any way of tracking when Pip and Aerwynn are gonna jump (so you don't send CDs and cry as you're halfway through them and one runs off)?

[runic hinge]

You would drop alacrity and deeper

[balmy condor]

Yeah never drop tea

That’ll trigger my acid reflux

[prisma cypress]

my bad

[runic hinge]

No worries, we’re here to help

[prisma cypress]

so lethality > alacrity?

or do i take echo

i know i could sim it but im doing this on the fly

subcreation isn't much help

[balmy condor]

Yes

You drop deeper/alac for acro/lethal

[prisma cypress]

got it

now i just need to retrain my brain to finish on max minus 1

[storm monolith]

ok so according to the chart, at key level 17 467 gear starts to drop. does that mean that i have a fractional chance of it being hero or champion gear, or will it always be 1/6 hero gear?

[keen spruce]

always hero

that would be fkin hilarious though if it was just 50/50

there would be some very angry rogues with champion nick of times in here

[storm monolith]

so is there a chance i can keep up with other players in 17's if i'm running with 463 avg ilvl?

[gentle rover]

I get why peeps aint runnin branch in raid, these orbs so hard to spot lol

[raven egret]

I mean, sort of? they are always same distance, you get used to it

[gentle rover]

Yeah, def just need to learn where they spawn and it will be easier

[raven egret]

FL, FR and back 😄

[spice spire]

Cha cha real smooth

[idle stump]

Hi guys. i'm going to start raiding and i'm not sure which spec is better for raid now. Is it sub or sin?

[spice spire]

All are good.
Sin is very good with externals (PI, Aug) but if you’re not having that available sub and outlaw are good options as well

You can also just play what you’d like

[idle stump]

Ty, i'd rather play sin than sub so im going with sin.

[spice spire]

Good luck friend

[idle stump]

ty ❤️

[bright turret]

Yea sin is more than strong enough for even all of mythic, so don't let anyone keep you down if you like it

[balmy condor]

Except me

I’ll keep you down

[bright turret]

You only keep down sin doomers

[spice spire]

Big assassination propagating lies

[balmy condor]

I am a big bully out to destroy the infidels

[spice spire]

Dog

?

[gusty mirage]

fight me irl rn

half naked

@spice spire picks the half

[spice spire]

Cocks out

[torn atlas]

The way nature intended

[spice spire]

Amen

[ember mural]

left half

[gusty mirage]

bro

learn to READ

GOD

[ember mural]

[balmy condor]

Lil sword fighting?

[gusty mirage]

emphasis on lil?

[ember mural]

might be lil but its good lookin'

[storm monolith]

rip

[peak bobcat]

when should we use ashes?

during cds

[magic sparrow]

👀

[storm monolith]

didn't have the gold for repairs in a 17 so they all just left

[spice spire]

Huh

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

Name of our rap duo

[spice spire]

Lil sword fighters

A weak 7

[ember mural]

[balmy condor]

It’s like the fuu fighters but more diverse

My phone autocorrects to fuu now

Interesting

That’s not the band name

But ya know what

I like it more like that

[spice spire]

New band name

Damn

[fallen forge]

I will sign up to fight fuu

[balmy condor]

What if we made a band called new band name

Would that be too meta

[spice spire]

Wish you’d Meta ho

[stone gust]

Hey anyone have a damage breakdown of dungeons? I’m trying to see what buttons I need to press more in comparison

[balmy condor]

Would heavily depend on talents, affixes, dungeon, group

Generally you’d want garrote/tier/caustic/crimson tempest near the top, rupture/envenom/kingsbane as a step down from those

[stone gust]

Okay and what about sanguine blades, noticed that ramps up on tyrannical weeks

[balmy condor]

Highly highly variable

Should be higher on fort weeks than tyran weeks

[stone gust]

Hmm 🤔 I think I need to clip my envenoms better

[balmy condor]

Sanguine can bounce around usually around kb

But like if you’re playing a very bleed heavy build like arterial it’ll be much higher than a build like cleave

[stone gust]

I’m really trying to push this season so I’m trying to push every bit into knowledge of class

Oh I use arterial

Love the double shiv during dance windows

Big bleeds

[balmy condor]

Yeh then rupture/ct/sanguine will rise

[idle stump]

Whats the pandemonium in rupture/garrote?

[spice spire]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[idle stump]

tyvm

didnt know there was a command

[raven egret]

Pandemonium sounds way more ominous

[idle stump]

i thought that was how it was called haha

[stone gust]

So how many runs for my second time strike this week 🤔 I’m hoping under 20 🤣🤣

[sudden brook]

whats good P3 fyrak damage

any fyrak killers wanna lm

[cerulean nest]

crazy that I need to literally buy a new computer to see whats happening on tindral

[sudden brook]

Get better addons

[cerulean nest]

turned off everything except WAs and it was still dog

[sudden brook]

Literally everything?

[cerulean nest]

almost yeah

[hearty meadow]

Is hekili good for learning assassination? I’m a bit overwhelmed with the buttons but it’s fun

[sudden brook]

Plater and details still on?

[blazing jewel]

if you say astral break at the same time as tindral you get more fps

[cerulean nest]

nope

[sudden brook]

damn maybe u do need a new pc

[cerulean nest]

during second roots of p1 and p2 I go down to like 10 fps or lower

yeah idk

[spice spire]

No it is not

[keen oak]

do you use wafting devotion on weapons? ( sry beginner here)

[lean portal]

yea

[keen oak]

ty

[gusty mirage]

Do you use plater?

There’s a script that hides the nameplates which helps A LOT

[cerulean nest]

yeah I tried that

my fps is low generally but I can handle it. but those particular moments on this fight its like unplayable for 5 seconds lol

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s also when he’s casting like 800 things back to back to back

[blazing jewel]

did they fix the lag of him standing in place for 2s when you pull

[gusty mirage]

Yea

[blazing jewel]

lil bro would swing at anything near him even if you didnt have aggro

[fierce quiver]

I has assass question. So, my guild is gonna start M prog soon, would it be worth swapping or can I stay outlaw for good prog?

[lean portal]

swaping for assa is never worth

its the worse spec of 3

but you can progress and play what you want rly

[fierce quiver]

Is that actually the case?

[blazing jewel]

If you are just now getting into mythic it does not matter in the slightest what spec you play

[fierce quiver]

Okay

Good, cause ngl I didn't want to swap off xd

[lean portal]

yeah ofc you dont need to

[shy pecan]

You’re not playing for WF or HoF so it doesn’t matter what you’re playing

[lean portal]

even for hof it might not matter XD

[blazing jewel]

Depends what end of hof

Early yes late not really

[mental trout]

whats HoF?

[fallen forge]

hall of fame

[keen spruce]

early hof assas was unerfed so you'd play it then too

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

check this

[blazing jewel]

[fallen forge]

where tf did u get that

[keen spruce]

the emote?

idk

it's from a boosting server i think

[blazing jewel]

[fallen forge]

keep sending these emotes so i can yoink them

and send my irl friends to therapy

[runic hinge]

Got something dummy thicc for you right here

[fallen forge]

we dont change the number of combo points on which we envenom when we change to acro/lethality right?

like its still 4+ pretty much?

[near valley]

Pfp change again??

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

all same rules yes

it's only a little goofy cuz you when you only have 5cp

mutilating on 4 feels weird after playing this season

for deathmark envenoms

[lean portal]

and how much dmg do you lose by going acrobatic ?

on pure sims

[bright turret]

3%sh

[lean portal]

aw thats quite a lot

[slate crown]

I mean that’s sim dps. If you are not dpsing because you have to dodge out of range and don’t have acro (compared to if you are dpsing in that moment because you do have acro), that can be 3% lost right there

[keen spruce]

yeah it's more of a nymue thing

just to save some sanity

cuz it's easy to lose enough uptime without long arms

to make it worth to just grab acro

[slate crown]

I really don’t think 3% is that much

[keen spruce]

it really don't take much downtime

to lose 3%

actually on a 7 minute fight like nymue

that's only 12 seconds of downtime

that doesn't account for CDs

but still

it's less than a lot of people give credit to

[raven egret]

I run 1 Rise on my DK, only one, first time on it, I get gorehowl. Took me 37 runs for a Nick on my main!

[slate crown]

Like if 3% loss makes you yikes I’m not doing that, I think you need to take a breather and touch some grass for a moment. Maybe that’s out of place given I don’t mythic raid (I have in the past) but I see what gets posted here and how much damage can suffer from downtime and from just random procs in damage

[lean portal]

i understand ofc

im considering it also since were progressing on nymue

[keen spruce]

i mean if it's a fight like volcross. where it actually takes effort to get out of melee range. then sure 3% is a lot to give up cuz there's no trade off.

but yeah on nymue

[lean portal]

but 0/200 parses playing acrobatic on wlogs is mad

[keen spruce]

3% is nothin

[lean portal]

the acrobatic range doesnt seem to give your 3% back

[keen spruce]

this is with acro on both

good enough to kill boss

and very cozy never losing uptime

while soaking

[lean portal]

intresting

[keen spruce]

so the red soaks

the really important ones

[runic hinge]

I’m about to take Acro in rise because tyr’s hitbox is so small

[keen spruce]

only like the front 1/3rd of the puddle is in range

so it's very easy to drop uptime

while dodging cutters

and swirlies from soaks exploding

there's just like 5x more shit to worry about and you'll be dodging wayyyyy more

and it's not always feasible to dodge left and right

[slate crown]

Yeah I was taking acro in rise and it was great in Tyr

[keen spruce]

i never noticed tyr having a small hitbox

there's also not much risk of just cramming yourself in his cheeks

you do dis

[slate crown]

I don’t think the hit box is small, I get anxiety with the dispel circles and want to max range when I have a dispel circle and trying to stand in soak circle. Probably a healer problem with managing dispels or whatever

[keen spruce]

only other downside is you have to take recouperator

so you lose short shroud or fat potions

in keys

doesn't matter in raid ig

[keen spruce]

yeah getting the bad overlap with circles and soak

very spoopy

[runic hinge]

Also the tanks will be stupid and get knocked back and then have him stand just on the end of the line of stuff he drops so I’m trying to not stand on that. So it’s probably just bad play elsewhere

[keen spruce]

rise is just

bad

i don't think i'm gonna run at 26 or higher until it's nerfed

[runic hinge]

I hate the portal circle room so much.

[keen spruce]

unless i get adopted by some 3600 players or something

[runic hinge]

The constant exploding and the fact sometimes it clears very little floor just makes it miserable for me

[keen spruce]

ye

just a big healer check mostly

and tank check

if you're not constantly fighting a mage

you're just burning clock

[runic hinge]

Place is miserable.

I don’t mind the boss fights really tbh. Too much running and the mechanics of the place are/is stupid

Actually last boss is pretty not great still

Phase 2 has too much unavoidable damage

[royal lantern]

im not 3600, can i still adopt you?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/dad-fathersday-iloveyoudad-happyfathersday-father-gif-11143170

[pallid panther]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dark token]

we ran out of time on everbloom

"overall dps doesnt matter xD"

"dont take ct XD"

[runic hinge]

It’s because you did 5% less boss dam obviously 🙄

[keen spruce]

how long did bosses take

[lean portal]

with 0 death ?

[dark token]

nah there were some deaths

but still

timer is not free at all

idk why people act like dungeon dps overall doesnt matter

[keen spruce]

ok but how long did bosses take

[lean portal]

and what key level was it

cause timer is like

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna gues

[lean portal]

turbo free on EB

[keen spruce]

guess

25

26?

[keen spruce]

this just seems like

bad routing

or a LOT of downtime

or like

7billion sanguine healing

[lean portal]

or like

some random death of abomination ticks ^^

oooor

some boss death ^^

[dark token]

26

[keen spruce]

I don't see that kind of dmg not timing a 26

[dark token]

no boss death

[keen spruce]

unless your bosses took 75 years

[dark token]

sang was kinda bad, routing could have been better

but still

[earnest remnant]

F tier spec

clearly thats why it wasent timed

[lean portal]

there is no way you're arguing for CT on 26 everbloom

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-11864636400230753109

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rolling-roll-funny-dark-souls-gif-25412731

cant hit me

[keen spruce]

he too fast

but ye @dark token I pretty much just full switched to cleave above 25

maybe EB on fort weeks

i play tempest

but even then

most of the important damage you're doing is to abombs or bosses

[quiet oar]

Playing Dark Souls i see

[bronze pike]

your vdh can go higher

eb right? so ya a bit higher than that

[dark token]

???

its everbloom

probably best ct dungeon

hello

it did 15% of my overall dmg

xD

[lean portal]

these flowers must be super dead

[hasty swan]

I feel like I've been having a really hard time getting decent dps in keys. I'm maxing out at like 110k. Here's a breakdown of my damage/gear/talents. Can someone take a look and possibly tell me what could be improved?

[lean portal]

gear yourself before thinking about it id say

[dark token]

dont run this shit cleave build

unless ur literally pushing wf keys

PLEASE

go hybrid build

it will be so much better for most people, and in low keys in general

[hasty swan]

with tempest?

[dark token]

this build you should run on 100% of dungeons below 25

or this build below 20

[lean portal]

nah

second one yes

first one no

[dark token]

both are pretty close anyway

top one is more single target

[hasty swan]

I try the second one in my next key

[lean portal]

yeah but your dmg wont skyrocket

all 3 builds are kinda similar overall

[dark token]

i would say the last build is best for anyone struggling on overall dam as it is simpler ye

[dark token]

you can do 200k overall in that gear with good play anyway

[lean portal]

yeah but hes probably doing low keys

with tanks pulling mobs 2 by 2 and stuff

[hasty swan]

I'm doing 10-17's

but like trash is dying so fast tbh

[quiet oar]

YOu should also enchant your gear

[hasty swan]

i know, but I've only got like 5k gold

[quiet oar]

Waking stats

[uneven summit]

Double nick of time still bis i guess? 489/483 sims higher than cruel 489/nick 489

[quiet oar]

is like 100 gold

rings are like 100 gold

[hasty swan]

okay, I know I shold enchant, but I have a feeling those aren't going to be my make or breaks at this point

[lean portal]

only thing better than nick is a 489 first hand

[quiet oar]

Enchants do a lot of dmg

[uneven summit]

Yeah and with a 489 nick in first hand, nick 483 is better OH than 489 something else

[lean portal]

a lot of things will up your dmg, enchanting is one of them

[minor trench]

What are the best enchants for assa ?

[lean portal]

playing with good tanks is another

knowing your rotation another

etc etc

but the biggest one is gearing

[minor trench]

"sim yourself" but I've came back on wow without playing DF at all, I don't know what are the enchantments. Always a pleasure to ask a simple question and see this as answer

[dark token]

ye 2nd build will help a lot

do garrote garrote ct every pack more than 4t

[minor trench]

I've played the first one in low M+, and my thought is you're lacking of energy and free cp on boss, especially with tyrannical

free ambush proc should be a nice helper to fluidify the rotation

[dark token]

rotation doesnt need to be fluid as long as it does dmg imo

[lean portal]

look at wowhead

[minor trench]

That's what i am doing but, i saw haste enchant are best. Does it depends on stats weight or it is always a good choice ?

[lean portal]

wafting on weapons

and rings depends yeah

[minor trench]

Okok thx !

[dark token]

it depends on stats

1x sophic/wafting sims better for me

[lean portal]

yeah i guess also

and sophic allows offspec

[dark token]

ye i was 2x sophic for a while

till i found my 3rd nick of time

[lean portal]

that helps

double wafting sims better for me but i play 1 sophic anyways

[dark token]

xD

forgot to switch elusiveness

[hearty reef]

Just 4 hits is a bit cringe

Fucking boss man

[dark token]

idk

forgot to talent elusiveness

and paid for it ig

[royal lantern]

just cloak it

[dark token]

did the previous

[royal lantern]

just cloak again

[dark token]

im not playing sub

[royal lantern]

then just dont get hit 4x by it

[midnight atlas]

If you kite it you take less dmg

She deals more dmg to the ones close to the boss

[lucid scroll]

wat

[gaunt moat]

which key rank was it

[dark token]

25

[gaunt moat]

yeah don't think it's possible to survive without elusivness, right?

[dark token]

its rng if u get 4 hits

sometiems u live

other times i got externals

but yeah i should have run elusiv

[midnight atlas]

2nd part of the tooltip. basically run away more than 4 yards, dont keep dpsing

[lucid scroll]

thats the large balls that leave fire on the floor

[dark token]

yes

the first part of the tooltip

is the actual massive dmg

the 2nd part of tooltip is red swirls on ground you dodge

[lucid scroll]

yh, thats what im saying, theres no running away deals less damage mechanic though

[dark token]

ye i agree with u

[midnight atlas]

in the dmg log you took dmg every 1s

does the mechanic behave differently than the tooltip then?

[dark token]

No

[lucid scroll]

no

[dark token]

The first part of the mechanic

[lucid scroll]

the first part is the damage, the 2nd part is avoidable

[dark token]

She fires rng cinders every 0.25sec for 4 sec

That's 16 cinders total

At random players

U can get up to four hits of it

1-4 it's rng

[midnight atlas]

oh and its 0.25 for a player, making it 1 cinder per individual every second

[dark token]

If 4 hits u get fucked

Also it could back to back rng you as well

[midnight atlas]

damn, any place to los it ? i wonder if it would work

[dark token]

No

[gaunt moat]

It literally says "fire countless"
that means she fires so many cinderbolts that you can't even count them.
Consider yourself lucky to be hit by only 4.

[dark token]

You can only cloak it

Or pre vial to try to live

Or run elusiveness + feint

[lucid scroll]

anyone running the cheat death proc on weapon and has experienced it bug on tree boss WM? I was the only person alive with a dk yesterday and my cheat death proc on dreamcarver kept resetting and without a healer I was able to survive the thorn solo, finished the fight at 60k hps or some shit

[midnight atlas]

the dagger doesnt have a cd on cheat death

its just procs all the time

it should, but it doesnt

[modest glen]

is the tooltip bugged?

aah

[midnight atlas]

no, it procs, you get the debuff saying you benefited from it and then it procs again, you get another debuff

i had like 3 debuffs at one point

its reported in !bugs

[modest glen]

i'm wondering if i should use igira dagger even if its a slight dps loss. got 489 and 483 nick of time + 489 igira

for keys atleast if the effects are actually that good

[midnight atlas]

free heal in keys is good, use it while you can before it gets fixed

[keen spruce]

you should always run elus at your key level

why do you even have an M+ build with cheat

[midnight atlas]

i guess swapping to a spec that stacks vers could be good, thats why everyone plays outlaw in higher keys

[keen spruce]

that's a very small portion of why

they also run elus but have evasion up constantly from float like a butterfly

which is also just a 20% dr

and they do as much damage as basically any other meta spec

[midnight atlas]

there's many things which can help that mechanic, mass barier from a mage, darkness from a dh.

[keen spruce]

i mean you run elus

you feint

and u pray

feint and pre vial

feint + evasion one set

cloak one set

track huge healer CDs for another set

fent+health pot for one set

and if the boss isn't dead then you lose anyways

cuz someone else will have died by then

[midnight atlas]

yeah, but you can't just fully rely on your utility if you have to type "pray" as a tactic. over 25s it would be nice to have a group and call for defensives from other specs also

[gaunt moat]

meanwhile me who still never completed anything more than EB 20

[keen spruce]

why not

[gaunt moat]

pugging life is no life

[keen spruce]

pug harder

[gaunt moat]

i get too frustrated

listen to this:

[midnight atlas]

sanguine shows the worst in people

[lean portal]

tyrannical EB high level is the best way to get cancer in game

like rly bad disease

in game

i dont recommend

[gaunt moat]

Yesterday pugged a 22 EB
on 2nd boss:
Warrior didn't move away from boss.
we wiped.

tank blamed him.
he says "what did i do wrong"

HOLYYY
how do you sign up to 22 and don't even know basics of the bossesssss

[midnight atlas]

fortified bolstering eb is worse, i've had groups get oneshot by the pyromancer before boss

keys on reset are very bad

[lean portal]

true but idk it doesnt feel as bad

[midnight atlas]

everyone has access to 20++ keys now.

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-douyin-lelemaoshe-sphynx-cat-hairless-cat-gif-19402555

[fierce sigil]

Is it possible that more and more Ppl Switch away from assa to sub or Outlaw? And why This Trend?

[keen spruce]

reset day

is the worst day to pug

cuz everyone managed do squeeze in a random 27 brh

and lfg is just full of completely unqualified people

with keys way out of their depth

just spam depleting them

got a few points from AD

[midnight atlas]

i have a 460 mage with a 22 in the bag, and i know i cant handle 22s on it. so i will lower it before i pug it, but many people don't, they just list key, press W, do rotation and hope to time the key, its always someone's else's fault anyway

[keen spruce]

then haven't even made it passed the 2nd boss of like 7 dungeons

[stone basin]

!dagger

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1181335994256064623/dagger.webp

[midnight atlas]

that was the story of my life yesterday. i pumped Dm + kb twice into a witch in WM because she did etch in sanguine, and then someone left. happened ~5 times

[royal lantern]

ye but after failing 24 dungeons, they finally sqeeze in a 25key by getting carried, get that e-penis rio boost and act like some bigtime proplayer cus number bigger

i love m+ andys

[keen spruce]

u callin me carried

[midnight atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G-spy2vtqg this becomes more and more relatable as i play m+

[keen spruce]

all time clip

[royal lantern]

thats why i legit cant take m+ serious

[midnight atlas]

watcha pushing bud? you aint pushing shit

[gaunt moat]

No one hates m+ers more than gromnak

[balmy condor]

Me

[gaunt moat]

you hate them for different reasons

[midnight atlas]

he is pushing keys on stream every day almost

[balmy condor]

Content machine gotta content

[midnight atlas]

yes, at least if you make money from playing the game its justified

[balmy condor]

Kind of a miserable way to live though

Turning a game into a job

[uneven summit]

i see most people playing ashes instead of branch, is it just convenience and preferance or missing a branch?

[balmy condor]

Easier than picking up orbs

Only really worth it on mythic tindral/fyrakk tbh

[uneven summit]

ashes over branch you mean?

[balmy condor]

Maybe larodar but I kinda don’t believe it

Yeah

[uneven summit]

Yeah okay

[balmy condor]

Branch is just a better trinket no question

But picking up orbs is hard sometimes

So people just opt to run ashes so they don’t have to

[uneven summit]

Yeah so convenience, that´s fair, personally i like ashes more, but im a haste enjoyer

😄

[balmy condor]

What

[midnight atlas]

they should add a % of picking up orbs effectively in sims, since you dont get them perfectly every time you use it

[balmy condor]

If you’re a haste enjoyer wouldn’t you want to not run ashes then

Since ashes takes away haste

[gaunt moat]

I just hate branch mechanic. i would rather lose a couple of thousand of DPS over using it.

[balmy condor]

There’s a sim in #1065730164077645916 where they ran a bunch of combos

[uneven summit]

misswrote, meant i personally enjoy ahses more

[royal lantern]

AKSHUALY it just removes the haste you get from the trinket itself 🤓

[balmy condor]

[uneven summit]

What about m+, i guess it´s the same thing

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Technically ashes is also more burst

But it’s not more burst to the point of that being something you need to consider

[dark token]

I would use ashes in raid but not in m+ tbh

Mastery is more valuable in keys, and the flat agi is more valuable than flag haste

Branch is just a better keys trink than raid

[uneven summit]

ashes vs. branch also fucks your statsweights

[midnight atlas]

and i saw ppl saying ashes is better used 2s after kb, not macro with dm

[uneven summit]

Yeah probably right

[dark token]

You macro with KB not dm

[balmy condor]

Oh no, not being exactly 0.02% stat optimal so scary

[quiet oar]

Anyways

[uneven summit]

with ashes you´d want more mastery heavy gear tho right?

[balmy condor]

Quaking in my boots at the thought of needing to re enchant for mastery

Might be missing 500 dps

Actually terrifying

Can’t sleep now

[earnest remnant]

how dare you

[midnight atlas]

/s fyrak wipe on 10k hp. if you simmed stat weights you would have killed it

[dark token]

I took off my igira dagger for keys so I could run wafting without spending 3k gold and it's monkaS

[balmy condor]

Bro actual modern day horror movie right there

You prog all raid with branch, you swap to ashes for tindral

[earnest remnant]

those 500 dps would mean wipe here (seed blows up)

[balmy condor]

You’re the reason tindral doesn’t die

[balmy condor]

Just cloak?

[earnest remnant]

i did bozo

[balmy condor]

Cloak again?

[gaunt moat]

Not taking double cloak talent smh

[quiet oar]

Spam cloak back to back

[balmy condor]

Outlaw better on fyrakk confirmed tbh

More cloak

[midnight atlas]

use beacon of the beyond, boss dead

[quiet oar]

Actually

Dust better

[midnight atlas]

wait, restless reduces cloak cd also ?

[quiet oar]

Because more cloak

No

[balmy condor]

Void was so 2023

[midnight atlas]

grieftorch then

still have them in my bags

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[gaunt moat]

are you a hoarder irl?

[midnight atlas]

if they make fated it will be cool patch with those 2 trinkets

[balmy condor]

Surely worth just get enough resets

[quiet oar]

Fated is confirmed

Buddy

[midnight atlas]

i have like 100 "cool" trinkets in void storage

[dark token]

Can't wait to never loot eranog ring and grieftorch for another whole patch

[quiet oar]

You can buy them

Probably

[balmy condor]

Can’t wait for all the “only thing that matters in m+ is single target” cringerlords to cum themselves over fated dathea trinket aoe

[quiet oar]

Dathea Trinket the only real aoe trinkrt

This expac

[midnight atlas]

i need to add dathea trinket to my collection, didnt loot it in s1

[balmy condor]

The only thing that matters is single target, until I have something that makes my bar look really big in aoe, then the big bar is dopamine++ and I need it

[midnight atlas]

thats why people pad, more dmg = monkey feel good

[balmy condor]

Hey I didn’t either

[gaunt moat]

what if they bring back academy for next season and best trinket is puzzle box

[quiet oar]

I suspect

They bring all df dungeons

As season

[midnight atlas]

perfect.

no more bs cataclysm dungeons

[balmy condor]

I suspect that I won’t care what dungeons they bring back because I won’t be playing fated

[quiet oar]

Because the roadmap doesnt say "New dungeon Rotation"

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

Whisp sandbagging in fated

Frfr

[balmy condor]

I didn’t play shadowlands fated either

Miss me with that shit

I already did all that content

[midnight atlas]

i only did it for the plague cat mount

[balmy condor]

You want me to do it again but easier?

Fucking why

Reprogging bosses with half of the original roster

Oooo so fun

Can’t wait for all the weakauras we used to not work anymore

Sounds great

[midnight atlas]

fated is lazy content excuse

[balmy condor]

I can get behind the idea of fated but the execution is so horrid

At least the shadowlands version was

[quiet oar]

Idk the only Alternative is the last Patch last 9-12 months

[balmy condor]

Maybe they do it differently this time idk

[royal lantern]

echo wa fun again

zskarn but now with soak circles every 20seconds

PEAK CONTENT RIGHT THERE

[balmy condor]

In shadowlands it was actually just here’s a nerfed mythic boss and an extra mechanic that you have to do. And if you do the mechanic you get +80000% damage and the boss melts

Which is

??????

[quiet oar]

I mean

It was kinda fun

For the first two weeks

[royal lantern]

ye for 2 runs

[quiet oar]

But the

You got the dispells

On dreadlords

[balmy condor]

They said dinars were too fast bro

[quiet oar]

And you asked yourself

Wtf

[balmy condor]

Clown shit

Blizzards takeaway from fated was that dinars were too op

[royal lantern]

🙂

[quiet oar]

Too OP to get the subscirption money running

[balmy condor]

The fact that we have no idea what fated this expac looks like yet

Is a bit scary tbh

[quiet oar]

Wait for it whisp

[balmy condor]

They haven’t even teased like “oh maybe you’ll see haha”

[quiet oar]

It will be super innovative

[balmy condor]

Just complete silence

[quiet oar]

[royal lantern]

i mean, blizz made a big thing out of "we do old dungeons m+, but only up to mop cus the rest is too old"

then the "revamped" dungeons all sucked

and then they made cata dungeons anyway, which are the worst dungeons we had in over a decade, but mandatory for the shit+ gear grind now

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk bout the cata dungeons

[quiet oar]

I mean tott

[midnight atlas]

its gonna be dinar vendors, all 3 raids, bs m+, a mount for completing all 3 fated raids. ilvl increase to farm gear again. what else?

[quiet oar]

Is okish

[balmy condor]

M+ dungeon design has been actually all over the place

[quiet oar]

But vortex

Was Bad

[royal lantern]

press W

kick spells

cool

[balmy condor]

We can’t really say that though can we

Cause they said “it’s gonna be different” like 3 months ago

And then never elaborated

[quiet oar]

Raid Portals for clearing all on mythic

[royal lantern]

yep

we are litearlly back too legion m+ again, where over 50% of dungeons are gated behind "this boss does unavoidable dmg that is doing 140% of yout hp, survive it"

[midnight atlas]

they say its gonna be different to keep us on our toes. they will swap a thing or two, change something, but at the end of it how different can it be?

[balmy condor]

They announced the raid revisited stuff in their roadmap before amirdrassil released, said “it’s not gonna be the same” and then went deaf mute

Who knows what they’re changing

It’s different because no dinar vendor

You just don’t get gear now

Smile

[quiet oar]

Yo i know

Uldir again

Nighthold

And cata

Fire Lands

[balmy condor]

Bring back cata raid pog

[quiet oar]

I would take nighthold within a blink

[balmy condor]

Timewalking raids always having that one thing that’s randomly really strong for no reason

Is actually so cringe

[midnight atlas]

i think they got mad because i made 3 tickets for my devouring cold weapon. i bought with dinars and it didn't unlock the sheathe on back option. so they got mad and said no more dinar vendors for this guy

[balmy condor]

Firelands timewalking and now all of a sudden there’s a dagger with a socket

Cause sure

Why not

[quiet oar]

Can if offer you blazefury medaillon

[balmy condor]

I mean that thing is just bad though

That’s fine

[quiet oar]

Yeah for sin

True

Bis for Outlaw

Which is kinda funny

[balmy condor]

Like a week 1-2 minmax world drop that’s slightly better than normal raid gear is fine

[quiet oar]

But also sad

[balmy condor]

Who cares about outlaw

Green text spec

[royal lantern]

ah yes, the neck that shows us once again that outlaw is a well desinged spec

and not a barely functional abomination that clutches on dmg procs every single tier

[quiet oar]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Outlaw players are the most well read players in the game

Cause every item slot has to be a book

Or their spec doesn’t function

[quiet oar]