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TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back
- If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
- Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
- Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
- With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use
here's a bunch of stuff about that
Oh interesting, okok ty
My second question is, basically what are the best trinkets. According to wowhead branch and pips are BiS. But I'm seeing a lot of hourglass and ashes?
pips is basically the bis all arounder
branch is better if you use it right, ashes is a no think replacement
hourglass is typically a bit better than pips in raw single target
signet is better than both on longer mythic fights
the other slot needs to be an on-use active, because burst spec 
and so your options for that are gonna be branch, ashes, or mirror
mirror is a 3 min and sucks, so that's not worth talking about
branch is strictly better but you have to play around the orbs it spawns, which people sometimes don't want to do, or can't because of mechanics or whatever
so playing branch badly puts it roughly on par with ashes
playing it really badly makes it worse, playing it a bit less badly still makes it better
kind of a range
and youd say pip is the m+ bis ?
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or do the classic "but my single target haha prio damage haha"
and then run a sandglass anyway
but like, you have to argue that there's something competing with pips
you don't have to argue that pips is the generic best one for m+
Yeah, that makes sense. With branch im trying to have the buff during kingsbane window, but there are a couple of encounters which make it impossible to time it well.
well inconvenient not impossible
but that's also partly why you saw a lot of RWF rogues running ashes
along with a few other reason
I haven't really had any issues with branch except for a bit of an uncomfortable situation 2 minutes in on larodar
i hate that one
and then it's a little tricky on tindral
i always have to run back into fire
to get my last bubble
there's some annoying m+ areas too
smolderon wasn't too bad but there was a couple of awkward times during prog where I got triple fucked by like an orb and then needing to spread with my tornados
like during winds on Fall dragon boss and DHT 3rd
where the orb kinda runs away from you
but the times where branch is difficult frankly are pretty rare
branch feels rly bad a lot of times in m+
in m+ its a bit more difficult yeh
I'll probably switch to ashes for M+ when i get one just to reduce the mental load
but fuck your stupid minigame mode
but also like
it's pretty infrequent that you get giga fucked
by orbs
like you don't pick up all 3 or something
normally you just end up having to grab 3rd orb early
yeah im rarely "really fucked" but in a lot of scenarios im like yeah i hope i loot ashes next week
Hmm, is it normal for sub to sim higher on ST and M+ then sin?
thats sad :/
I mean it's just made up numbers
the number dungeonslice spits out doesn't even have a bearing on any real world situation
single target patchwerk at least would be like smolderon or nymue without any mechanics or damage amps or adds or intermissions
like a cleaned up steralized raid fight
but dungeonslice numbers actually don't mean shit lmao

nothin 

Perks of being a certified menace
@keen spruce do you have dslice sim
i can grab one rq
any particular build?
grab deez nuts
nah I figured it out

what poisons do I use for shock build m+
I heard someone say instant poison instead of deadly and that sounds wrong
yeah thats what i thought
can you suggest me what potion is full heal for rouge when doing mythic dungeon ?
the biggest one
"Potion of Withering Dreams" I'd imagine
With Iron Stomach it can hit for like 850k
ive been gone for 3 weeks and now my parses are in the dumpster now
there's been no rotation changes with all the nerfs, has there?
if you've been gone 3 weeks it was probably ilvl
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I mean regen full hp
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
Strongest healing potion with no side effects I know of : https://www.wowhead.com/item=207023/dreamwalkers-healing-potion
He means the poison one
There are at least 2 potions that heal and then do damage to you
they also both kinda suck
using anything else than dreamwalkers is, imo, a troll
yeh pretty much
in AoE do you prioritize reapplying garrote/rupture over maintaining caustic/envenomous explosion or does it depend on the number of targets? both for the opener and after
I just got my 4th piece so im trying to figure out how to use it
depends on a ton of things
garrote/rupture give energy
if you don't have bleeds
you don't have energy
In opener, prioritize empowered Gars, then first 5 rups.
yeah my damage is low af im doing something wrong
which means you do nothing
the 5 rups only if you're running scent
otherwise rup is just energy
yeh so then just get 1 rup
for caustic
and whatever you need for energy
and then gg
is it best to go arterial precision and sudden demise or arterial + DTB
In CDs you can prio extra gars during dance if you want to, usually only important if you didnt get a restealth before the pack
am I using dance during the first part of KB or the last part
there's basically a billion builds you can run and have success with
there's 3 sort of core builds with cleave, hybrid, and arterial
yeah sin is a lot more complicated than I thought lol
and you then can choose to run crimson tempest with any of those, or not
the gameplay is basically all the same
spread garrotes from stealth, get caustic on something
blast cooldowns into that caustic target
spam envenom for tier + caustic
maintain ct if you have it
keep up bleeds for energy
so you only really need one rupture?
I like arterial + sudden demies in lower keys, and arterial + dtb (no CT) for anything higher (packs will live long enough for a full DM+KB). DTB + Demise is fine, but i don't really know when I prefer it over the other 2 builds.
in packs where you can get like 5-6 garrotes out
yeh
just need the 1
cause the garrotes would do the heavy lifting for energy as well
you usually accidentally get 3-6
cuz of IC yeah
but it's really just:
- get garrotes from stealth
- pick a caustic target
- slam into caustic target
- maintain anything red with a duration on stuff if you're feeling fruity, or keep spamming envenom into caustic target
- rinse repeat every minute
yeah outside of CDs its kind of a wash
im doing 15s or higher but im not going higher than 17 until i get this down
good luck lmao
so im not sure what build would be best for me lol
you won't get halfway into your cds before things die in a 15
yeah i noticed
yeah i think you just go for arterial + demise
press shiv when things get to 35% and watch everything fucking explode
honestly in keys that low, could even drop caustic
as much as that pains me to say
just run internal bleeding
spread garrotes and ruptures on everything
press CT
press shiv
everything pops
lmfao
repeat
i think it depends, some bosses have adds you could spatter on, some lieutenents in some dungeons could live
sometimes in my weekly keys when I'm lazy
I just run internal bleeding arterial
and then instead of turning my brain on for anything
bro in a key yesterday I was the only person higher in dmg than my tank before I got my 4 set cuz i was just doing the typical bleed spread so I was actually doing better
I was like... how.
I just: thing not have bleed? me bleed
complete lobotomy gameplay
damage is definitely worse but who cares for a weekly 20
highest ive done is 18 lol
i actually hate PUGing my weekly keys atm, cause idk if these guys are going to destroy everything in 10 seconds for demise to pop everything or do 80k less dps than me and cleave would have been fun
That's literally how this spec has played since M+ was introduced in legion lol
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
yeah thats why im scared lol
in 15-17s just do AP+demise, you can pop everything yourself
in 19s and 20s, you can notice when ur codps are doing tank damage
thats how ive been using it
otherwise everything else is just put into the biggest mfer in the pack
sd i been holding for kingsbane
and let them do work
send KD/SD on CD, use DM with them when theyre up, try to practice using them on higher hp/priority targets but dont worry too much about it
if i dont watch what im using it on it dies within 2 seconds
if you dont get full value, dont worry about it, its low keys, it's good to get into the practice of just sending them
and my KB dmg is gone
yeah
that's cause you're running shitter keys for chimps
nothing to be done about that
lmao ive literally never done m+ past like a 5 before this season
but i wouldnt save for more than a pack and a half
welcome to m+
can anyone tell me what PS stands for
youre not getting more than 1 set of CDs on low key bosses most of the time, so as long as they come up some time during the boss, its alright
on WL
at this point anything under a 20 is pretty much fodder
its crazy how i can get someone in my group who is either really really good or an actual monkey with a keyboard
dude my guildies are ruining PUGs for me
even if theyre higher ilvl than me
my 19s and 20s this week were so much harder than 25s and 26s with guildies
might be pre-season?
that looks like an allstars ranking
yeah it is
pain suppression?
idk how they do all star ranks in m+
oh
ive literally scraped and clawed to get 467 and my 4 set
m+ logs in general are such a crapshoot
you cannot convince me that a +20 murozonds rise is a 99%
heres context
kk thank you
man i cant believe im about to look at my m+ logs
m+ logs make actually no sense
what preseason?
beats me
damn i have some pink logs wtf
you and every person I've ever talked to ever
it's actually criminal
you can get pink m+ logs
by just logging in
and flying in a circle
pog
I have no clue how the fuck they rank things
i only got magenta and one orange lmao
my 25 and 26 are pink logs lets fucking gooooo
my claim to fame is my normal fyrakk clear
rahhhh
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wait what the heck we're 2 months in what preseason lol
well before that
oh this is old
that's why his thing also has a season 3
real season starts 10.2.7
lol
M+ is sponsored by Oprah. You get a pink parse
season 3
might be some augvoker specific thing
because their logs are always a disaster
and week 1/2 aug logs
were actually just unusable
so they probably split out the aug logs from before the fix and after the fix
that's the best guess I have
for how long
arterial?
would assume CT would be higher
i forgot to press it a lot cuz i was trying to juggle garrotes
rest looks okay
save for KB
ill get more restealths in a real dungeon tho
don't bother with unempowered garrotes unless you need the energy real bad
oh cuz the stuff is gonna die too fast?
i was about to say KB looks a little low, but dont remember how much its supposed to do at that ilvl without DTB
so its probably fine
do you DM on trash or only until you know you're getting closer to the boss and just save it
I would just use it on CD
Thats points, you have to set it to damage
keep it lined up with every second KB
The point thing is like RIO
he says, thinking I upload m+ logs
I play with a very good DH. and the lower the key level the more he gaps me. I think the closest i've gotten to him is in +27s
yeah but stuff dies really fast sometimes so im not sure if i should even bother
cuz even in +27s there's a lot of packs
How are these rogues hitting 350k plus on gnarlroot ๐ญ
that won't survive a kingsbane
damage amp and caustic brrrrrrr
I main DH rn and that's why im like wtf im a clown i know i can do better
I only have green parses im not sure what Iโm doing wrong
yeah the longer a pull goes the better i feel
this kind of spread
I dont even go inertia i go the no movment build and im pretty much always top
Im only doing 220 on mythic gnarlroot
oh man I was like wtf 3rd dps and then oh its aug lol
but this is roughly what to expect like relative to DH or OL or something
how quickly are you blowing cds on the damage amp phase
this is why I know I can do better
Should I be shortening my opener to get it to better line up?
if its not up in time, yes
tell ur guild to do the intermission slower
thats what I do
and it usually goes okay
i mean the thing is, if you're just doin 15s - 17s this gap will be so much bigger
yeh
trust me Ive noticed lol
same reason chicken and aff locks and spriests are bad in low keys
well affs are just bad
but they're really bad in low keys
it's either guild slower or you faster on gnarlroot
Thanks!
But tbh, most chickens are bad in this key region
i have a couple of trusty chickens on the friends list
chicken assas wizard
is pretty good
if you're lookin for no lizard gaming
lizard is wizard
has anyone been following pvp and if so, do you know what theyre calling the lizard comps?
Because a good chicken in low keys, should destroy bosses atleast
wizard = warluck, magus, chicken, lizard, lelemental, shadow pisst
cause i really need to know if people are making hilarious puns
yes yes but
Green Rogue
magus the most wizardly
Dont care, didnt read?
TRUTH
shows me Shmeeps is first
ngl i trust a png duck more than a png green hair chibi
kinda rude to chibi
yeah but im also kinda rude
no, you're a dog
isnt the hair blue?
its teal i think, but i count that as both blue and green

good answer
its like when the gf tries to explain that the "pink" item i bought is not the pink she wanted
and im like "PINK IS PINK" 
I dont' think i've ever pressed FoK on igira before
spear placement is for caustic
but probably maybe
I definitely press fok on igira
but it's not really anything impressive
main thing is just being able to hit it with caustic and tier
i am a fok presser
I thought that this channel was a zoo in general
I mean blackjack is a cat, and you're another dog
idk if many things i fan sometimes
theres 6 spears
3
i just don't remember
Yeah exactly
coming up on 10 minutes of just whispyr + a bunch of animals
fuck me
At least Iโm wearing a rainjacket
we're more of a menagerie than BM hunter!
pls no french
this is english language server
menagerie is french?
What other language could menagerie be? ๐ค
youre expecting me to know where a word we've been using since the 1600s is from?
i dont have the braincells for that buddy
Obv
yes thank you for explaining the joke
ok teal using mfer
teal is dutch
not even the word, the whole color
the color doesn't exist in english
Whispyr teaching a bunch of animals human language
????
waiting for shaigos to tell me that colors transcend language
woah buddy slow down
who is
"we"

whaat if we don't see the same colors and my teal is your magenta
what if it's all just blue
some motherfuckers that died 700 years ago
haven't met em idk
made up colours ong
this is how whispyr gets me back
for all the insignificant what ifs that i word vomit
I'm one non-english color away from banning your ass on god
i'll make it an actual non english word this time
Filet
that's an english word
iirc most languages have different words for flat and shiny black and white
so let me find one of those
as in "I went to mcdonalds and got a filet-o-fish"
Is it reallly? I thought it was French. Filet mignon
bout as american as it gets
filet is french yeah xD


true
Nope filet is French.
youre telling me a french filet this fish?
people guestimate the modern version of cooking stakes are from italy
wrong tag
but point still stands
that sounds french
little known fact, stakes actually come from transylvania
because of all the vampires
like french royal family in the english court pronounciation
idk, sounds the same to me
but vampires originate from bulgaria


makes sense considering how young english is as a language
yeh, fcking thiefs
english is basically just a big soup of every other european language blended together
zeitgeist is an actual english word, in english dictionaries
it's not even bastardized german
that's just a german word

ok now youre just making hsit up
im not kidding on that one
ive never heard that word in my life
i looked it up
and its not real
its on the merriam webster page
the definition and spelling is 1:1 identical for english and german
but its not real
like
i refuse to believe
I thought billy corgan made that word up iin 2007.
it's literally just the german word
0 alterations
funniest shit I've ever seen in english
we just yoinked it in 1835
they actually just took a german dictionary and copy pasted it
"you can copy my homework but dont make it obvious"
timeghost is just a sick word though lowkey
i bet in 1624 some nerds complained about theres no way we just yoinked Teal from a french papyrus scroll
well in 1624 the difficulty would be to find a group of nerds that could read
someone had to be yoinking from the scrolls
literacy wasn't very common
esp if they were english
"chai tea"
when chai is just like
a very common word
in many asian countries
that means "tea"
you want some tea tea?
I would love some tea tea
Show me your tea teas
Is this your cool cousin, she tells you to not worry about?
murica f@ck yeah
Hi, new to assa and have Bern trying it a little. What do you do if the tank chain pulls, so you cant get stealth off for dot spread?
Been*
and if you can't do that, just garrote/rupture something and focus on caustic while spreading a gar/rup every now and then to maintain energy
Shouldnt I save those for kingsbane?
in aoe you can choose to hold them in order to spread bleeds if needed
vanish especially
dance less so
Okay thanks :)) Are there any builds that are better for lower keys, as everything just dies before I even do ny opener or is it just waiting till higher keys?
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
arterial usually, anything bleed based that takes sudden demise
I need to google the pronounciation later
Aint no way its pronounced like in german
It is
หzฤซtหษกฤซst
Itโs got the phonetically long iโs
Iโve heard it like seitgeist
Not as harsh on the z
But itโs definitely doable
hi all quick question, if im simming for m+ do I do an mdt sim, dungeonslice, st or what?
Can do mdt or dungeonslice
Typically dungeonslice since mdt sims have 0 variance
Makes mdt sims a bit cringe
huh I thought mdt did its best to simulate a dungeon run?
Yeah just googled it. American english just says Zeitgeist like in german, but they might just not have changed it
oh, i see, ty!
Or can americans actually pronounce german words 
Wait do they say Sauerkraut
Schadenfreude is also an word in English right?
Ok it actually sounds like an english version
Sauer is pronounced like sour
Ye but its similar
But americans have the most problems with the eu in example "neun" right?
and ch in "acht"?
eu in 'neun' is pronounced like oy in 'toy' 
neun to me looks like new-n
What is tiramisu cooking
I heared an American trying to pronounce 985
In german
yo! BIG assa noob here, am I supposed to farm 2 nick of time daggers if im not getting like mythic raid dagger?
I got a new kitty cat yesterday ๐ everyone meet blizzy
This looks like my boy
We have brothers
Wow
@blazing jewel 2025 is only 12months away
I have the younger version of your cat
Yes
And more intelligent version
You cant
Right

Oof
So my cat likes to bring me random bottle caps
Heโs staying with my family they really like momo
Idk why but he does
You will treasure those caps
Itโs caps from my water bottles
He is waiting for you
To comeback
YES
The adoption process though was so long
Really? That seems weird
^ I find out tomorrow if I can
Mochi was a 20 minute process and 100 dollars
She is waiting to be released from vet
That is a good bean
Fluffy bean
It took all together about three days for me 250 for both the cats which isnโt bad considering they are already fixed / microchipped / vaccinated
5g cats best cats
Cats also kill everything
I paid like 1800 Euros for my dog
Yeah I was pretty happy with how cheap it costed, I would have spent more 
i mean if you get a fancy dog
(hes cute tho)
1800 euros? What type of puppy did you get
Shiba inu
Oh
In Black
Yeah
I had a hermit crab when i wasl ike 7
and my cousin gave me a couple of rats in college
rats are like desk dogs
Me
That doggo is adorable
Ferrets are great pets, they just stink too much imo
acurate
Little cuddle noodles
yeah a well socialized ferret
is like s tier pet
they're so goofy
and u can like fold em in half or wad them up like a sock
Does a ferret have a spine? Because like
it doesn't seem like they do
They be floppy Lmao
Arent they stinky
they so floppy
rats aren't stinky
their bedding just has to be changed often
cuz their pee stinkyh
but actual rat not stinky
Ferrets less stinky than ducks
Still canโt believe to this day there are wild hamsters
I know a very stinky duck
How Do sloths survive
yes ducks very stinky
i used to work at the Oregon Zoo
and they had some ducks
very mean
very stinky
Ducks are the most nasty pet animals i can think off
very aggressive
That's why we have duck rice

Was that duck you?
no 
But this duck can Do a kick flip
Did unlock some free shmeeps lore tho
Oh I got to log in and see if I won my bmah
Get owned bozo
thank you ๐
no lol, rats are clean af animals
tru
and nap in the hood of your sweatshirt
Did you name one of them Stewart
no my cousin already named them
F
Can He Review my Logs?
I am a rat
Yes
Quake usually does something else than declining my log ๐


yes
giving george all the love he deserves

We love George in this discord

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/527LCqH9f8c5GbmVK5gSXP
Why are sims telling me to run more crit than mastery? I have Chain of the Green Flight and Archdruid tainted seal, but sims say dont use them???
Because you have branch
oh shit
Turns out a bajillion mastery when you need it on demand
Satisfies your need of mastery
branch makes stats weird
ive been baffled over this for weeks. should have asked yall sooner
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!ambush
too add, the raid row will pull from all bosses done on that difficult ever so don't expect a brand if you've not done mythic smoldy yet
Any guide on how to use Igiras dreamcarver?
yeah use it once on a training dummy, or beast and forget about it
based on the text, it's easy to think that it's similar to a trinket CD. That's what I thought, but then realized it was a persistent buff, based on the last mob you used it on
!dagger
Hey guys, quick question. Is there a reason to not reroll to outlaw if i'm pushing m+ mainly? Right now i'm at +23-24 doing just fine with great output, but sims going crazy on outlaw. Only built assa with couple small upgrades left. Thoughts?
That's the main reason holding me back, assa is king ๐๐ฟ
i mean play what you like, but i like having 3 very different specs, that are good at different things and have fun trying to master all of them
I have only just started to feel the pressure to play pirate
at around the +27/+28 level
stinky pirate man
If you don't like outlaw nearly as much as assa, there's no reason to go outlaw.
Assa blasts, and spec choice realistically doesn't matter at all for that key range.
my rio still clean
yeah but you're a dirty pirate man in your heart
i do have a mydas and bandolier in my bags


sure it does
that doesn't include keys you never finished

are servers up so I can get my socket
or what
if I pass quazi
I wonder if I can get 3k io without ever doing a tyrannical rise
I'll play sub or pirate

you like that random 23 and 22
I did not sign up for those
I signed up for +20s
and was SCAMMED

You are completely right, but considering for the future when I do higher keys.
honestly just stick to assa until you feel compelled to change
i haven't taken a socket vault yet
I'm missing helm + belt
and I have a socket in my bags
cause I'm not socketing a 483
I still have like 8 sockets from last tier in my bags
and that means i'd have to recraft flavor pocket onto ring
and that means i lose ilvl on ring
imagine not needing to craft 2 crafted rings
must be nice to get spoonfed gear duck boy
i mean one was from vault
Need engineering to use the helm
And then i have to give up my only source of passive income (yoinking crest crafts and disenchanting)
ur a fake rogue

I've been engineering longer than the average player in #outlaw has been alive
I have unobtainable recipes

is your b-hole pink or the color of your skin?
@blazing jewel surely we get a nicholas of time
I've never seen my bhole
I'll have to check and get back to you
you think so?
You mean something like this?
Surely he'll visit you too some day
did I ever do something to you
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is there a reason you hate me?

I've considered a socket every single week this tier 
Xd
fuck branch

or last week
defeat fire goat
we pulled it like
Extending andies aint getting no mythic vaults 
SURELY we kill fyrakk soon
wait pause
how many boss kills
SURELY
for 1 slot of that difficulty
2
2
2
2/4/7
mythic nick will be acquired

i'd probably
bench my myth track stick
for a heroic ashes
in keys at least
it is just so easy to get max value out of ashes vs branch
collecting bubbles is so fking annoying
Im playing sub where my ashes actually sims higher than branch anyway 
it's like I press my trinket, and a bunch of spaghetti falls out of my pocket
ASTRAL BREAK

the fact that you didn't turn off dialogue is why you're mentally ill
Knees weak, arms are sweaty
so it's important
hey man I have to keep those voices on so they can talk to the ones in my head
but I also don't want to be scooping spaghetti off the floor
somebody touched my spaghett
Thereโs vomit on his feathers already
they up
Just like me fr
okay scann

servers are up @blazing jewel
@blazing jewel
@blazing jewel servers are up
@blazing jewel
ANSWER ME 
THAT'S A CAT 
correct
oke
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ok logging in to my rogue then

now i'm trapped in a loading screen
dang I got scammazed

Some rascal forgot to do the weeklies i see
Unlucky
@midnight mist
We lost both of them

you guys
Bis sub neck 



















