assassination

[magic sparrow]

Sold my soul to Zul for it

[lean portal]

instead of helping him with like CT and stuff it feels kinda useless

these mobs are dying anyways might as well try to delete the big one

[midnight atlas]

using ashes + branch. branch with dm and ashes with 2nd kingsbane? or the other way around ?

[slate crown]

Do not use ashes and branch they not good together for us, we don’t use double on use.

If you really want to know run a sim and look at the sim’s sample sequence to see how it uses the trinkets

[junior yoke]

tell me how to do that

[cinder parrot]

Is there a time when BSL is theoretically better than decay patch?

[thin gate]

heavy cleave/aoe

prolly

[magic sparrow]

Gotta sacrifice 3 virgins to Zul in Atal'dazar. Good luck finding any in this discord 😏

[junior yoke]

oh shiet XDDDD

[hasty swan]

what posions should we be using for m+??

I've been rocking deadly and numbing

[fervent kite]

does the sims include the buff from cruel dreamcarver dagger?

its simming lower than my crafted dagger + heroic nick of time but unsure if its incorporating the buff

[glossy grove]

okay guys i went offline for like 1,5 weeks. Could you sum up how we perform in comparison to other rogue speccs?

in ST and M+

[dark token]

Worst in raid worst in m+

Gg

[marble bear]

DH is our class but better

[magic sparrow]

Sin is still doing well, but sub has risen, and is preferred on some boss fights. Outlaw has risen in some boss fights as well, OL is the preferred M+ spec due to the sin nerfs. All in all its gear based and Sin is still viable in all content

[marble bear]

i would play sub but it is the most boring of the 3 specs by a huge margin

[past forum]

Kinda a subjective thing but I get why the people who don’t vibe with sub feel that way. When dark brew was bis before the rework it was super sleeper. Post rework I think every spec is very fun in different ways

[zenith charm]

hallo zusammen eine frage wär hätte kurz zeit um mir kurz zu helfen ? hätt ein paar fragen bezüglich meinen lowen dps trotz meinem gear ich weiss ned was ich falsch mache

[magic sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-english-pulp-fiction-do-you-speak-it-gif-16440534

[zenith charm]

0o

[balmy condor]

Cruel dreamcarver doesn’t have a damage buff

[balmy condor]

Server ist English sprachig, schick mir ne dm

[clever sapphire]

whispyr speaking in Octoberfest language

[magic sparrow]

Tbh I could go for an Octoberfest beer

[hasty swan]

can anyone explain why, at high keys, sudden demise is not taken?

[magic sparrow]

St damage for bosses and prio targets.

[hasty swan]

for fort weeks it's worth it? It was 17% of my damage in my last dungeon

[magic sparrow]

Dungeons this season arent really add crazy, it's more a few adds in packs that murder and bosses that can be beefy even on fort

[fleet pagoda]

the execute function can vary by key level. at higher keys it's contribution goes down. it squashes low health mobs no problem. it'd be mostly taken for 10% bleed bonus if taken in "higher keys"

[hasty swan]

that's probably why it's doing "so much" because I'm only doing +5-10's atm

[fleet pagoda]

i'm looking at my log for a +24 brh and it only did 1.2% of my damage

[balmy condor]

Yeh you can think of sudden demise as flat damage

[past forum]

sending deathmark on a plant in a +5 everbloom for omega sudden demise procs

[balmy condor]

If mobs have more health, sudden demise still does the same flat damage

So it does % wise less

That’s why it comes with the 10% bleed passive

Cause it would otherwise just be an open world and mythic +5 talent for Uber casuals

The 10% bleed passive is really good

But the meta right now in high keys is how much single target can you pump out while still doing some aoe

And so sudden demise and scent of blood are both seen as too much aoe

And generally not played at that level

[tall basalt]

lower sudden demise to 100% from 150%

[spice spire]

[past forum]

i wasn't a cleave build believer until i played with it a bit. now it's just the only build i use

[lethal vector]

hows the damage on the cleave build whenever kingsbane is down? bad im assuming?

[dark token]

Imo they should buff either scent, sudden demise, or CT, we should not be doing keys in a single target build

Sin could use a little bit of m+ buffs

And the bleed build feels soooo good to play

I did some Ap shock in 20s this week again and it's very fun

[past forum]

i thought i would miss crimson tempest but i couldnt have been more wrong about that. but idk how much of that is the tier set making envenom feel great still in aoe

[dark token]

Shame people don't take these cool talents

[fleet pagoda]

they're fairly powerful. it's just the content itself makes ST more valuable than whalloping with aoe

need more dungeons with consistent massive pulls. let the boys play

[dark token]

I think it's cause the timers are too lenient

[past forum]

pumping into a big guy with caustic is the most fun i've had with ass, so i'm happy with this build for now. but yeah the talent tree could definitely feel more meaningful as a whole

[lethal vector]

so when you're playing the cleave build in higher keys, you dont bother spreading bleeds? just rupture on the main target and envenom spam?

i wanna give it a shot. ive been playing arterial shock so far

[fleet pagoda]

you'll still wanna apply bleeds for the energy regen. garrote gains a lot more value over rupture without SoB, so it'd be mainly a caustic conduit

[lean portal]

its not that bad compared to other builds, poison bomb and the 4set are good enough

[lean portal]

i usually cast 2 garrotes during shadow dance and the vanish window but ruptures is useless to spread, 3 is enough for energy

and its way less dmg than improved garrotes

[lethal vector]

ok so just get a few ruptures are enough

[lean portal]

yeah one cast and it will triple with carnage

you deal more dmg by spaming knives envenom than by applying ruptures everywhere

[lethal vector]

got it. im excited to try it. im so tired of trying to maintain bleeds on a bunch of overlapping nameplates lol

idk if it's my plater strata settings or what, but my nameplates + auras are just constantly being hidden by each other in big pulls lol

[lean portal]

oh yeah i think you should get a plater

and this can be fixed in normal settings also

[lethal vector]

i have nameplates set to stacking but i guess in bigger pulls they start to overlap no matter what

[runic hinge]

same

[echo junco]

Anyone tried equiping the previous 2 set in full bleed spec for luls?

Ive made sin my mainspec this season, I kinda wanna try sub/outlaw but that means I need to recraft/use new gems on all gear…

[spice spire]

This sounds awful I’m gonna keep it a buck

[dark token]

My highest parse on council was with old 4pc

Big bleeds

[balmy condor]

just use the stuff you have

[hard plaza]

QQ - on council (Heroic) when the bosses in pugs how much are u trying to multi dot

like how much running/switching targets do u do

[past forum]

the most bleeding i ever do is drive-by bleeds

[hard plaza]

yeah im just shadowstepping when i can to different targets

but not sure if thats optimum

in pugs when theyre flying all ove rthe plave 😂

[old halo]

we take IC for that boss to help spread bleeds if tank can keep um kind of stacked

[hard plaza]

yeah it was so spread

😂

[magic sparrow]

My tanks do it too. You aren't alone

[pale latch]

anyone knows why sap last 5 secs in arenas?

[magic sparrow]

Bc blizz hates rogues sap capping

[spice surge]

Almost all ccs do

They changed cc durations a while back for pretty much all spells in pvp

[past forum]

5s is already more than plenty. it used to be more which is ridiculous

[pale latch]

thanks for answering! i am new at rogue pvp so i didnt see the updates

[daring comet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[strange python]

in pvp is sudden demise good to take? (don't know if it's the right chat)

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[strange python]

oh ok

[junior yoke]

45 min queuing 18-20 ebs

no one invites with over 56 runs and 3* 20

amazing

[pine dew]

someone can check my log if i am doing something major wrong?

[prime karma]

Hoping someone can help with this, but I just swapped back to Elvui and now my plater debuffs are no longer showing empowered vs normal bleeds. Anyone know how to fix this?

[balmy condor]

sounds like the elvui nameplates turned on and overwrote plater

[prime karma]

That's what I thought too, but Nameplates are disabled in Elvui and I re-imported the plater profile but the debuff icons are still not working as they did before.

[balmy condor]

not sure then

[pale latch]

any guide of how to play the assa rogue | frost mague one 2c2?

on*

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[amber fossil]

is there any guides for what talents to use on each boss?

[ashen rover]

probably doesnt mean much to you guys but i reached 3k rio for the first time (only started running m+ seriously at the start of this expansion) as sin, couldnt have done it without all the good info on this discord so thanks

[woeful meteor]

wowhead has it in the raid section or just look at logs

[lean portal]

warcraft logs can tell you everything

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/35#boss=2820&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[amber fossil]

ok, i was just wondering if there was a document without sifting thru all the top logs

[lean portal]

yes you have a talent page that sums the top 200 (or 100 idk)

for each boss

[amber fossil]

thanks for that page.

[drowsy harness]

does anyone know the weakaura Whispyr uses to show the gcds pressed? I want to start recording gameplay and use it as feedback. Thank you!

[normal otter]

So After nerves, assa is the worst Rogue spec on the Board Overall Again right?
I mean its still really good but again its the worst of the three?

[clever niche]

30s hex/sheep and sap were just mean in world pvp lol

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/b9euX-znp

[balmy condor]

it's still considered the best spec on the last 2

[woeful meteor]

[balmy condor]

don't gaslight me into "but root damage"

I ain't havin it

[spice surge]

But boss damage?

[balmy condor]

assa boss damage is better

[woeful meteor]

feel like it's personal pref but sub with the 10k your bm just gained def wins

[gusty mirage]

Ain’t no way

[balmy condor]

way

[gusty mirage]

Nah bro you’re huffing the copium

[balmy condor]

sub rogues malding

[gusty mirage]

My assassination sims for 25k less than sub, give it 13k for PI and it’s still getting smashed

[balmy condor]

yeah and assa sims 30k less than a druid but still does more boss damage on every fight

[drowsy nimbus]

In what world is sub better on boss damage on the last 2 bosses ?

[balmy condor]

sub boss damage on tindral is really high

but it ain't objectively better

[drowsy nimbus]

still not as high as sin tho ?

[woeful meteor]

it deals almost equal dmg without pi assuming your hunter has hands you gain raid dps

or no PI Sin

[drowsy nimbus]

yes thats true but on fyrakk tho if your sin plays only for boss damage i still think it is the best pi target

since hunters use cds on add if i remember correctly but with all the nerfs adds dps is a non issue

[royal tree]

does anyone have the macro to cast shadowmeld then stealth to retrigger stealth buffs in the middle of combat?

[balmy condor]

should just be
/cast shadowmeld
/cast stealth
I would think

[royal tree]

thats what i thought too but i wanted to make sure. i that setup will make them cast in order right? not simultaneously?

[balmy condor]

uhhh

idk

I think people spam it

to try and get into stealth

I'm not a giga m+er so I've never needed the 0.2% dps from nelf so idk

[hasty swan]

so I've been running into an issue in m+ where the tank chain pulls and my vanish and shadowdance are on CD. When this happens I have no way to spread bleeds and can only do single target dps which isn't always that great

same thing happens on pulls that last a while, after my initial burst it feels like I'm out of gas

how do you guys manage to maintain dps with pulls like that where you can't stealth between

[balmy condor]

Caustic spatter

[dark token]

Personally I like sub better on the fight just because of acro

Helps a lot

[left flax]

Hello guys, I was reading the wowhead guide and saw this discord group. I’m a new rogue player and I’m trying to learn which spec to pick since I’m new to the rotations. (I’ve always been Druid healer) so I’m kind of lost. Any advice which route to pick? Thanks

[silk bane]

all 3 specs play differently and do different things. if youre a resto and are somewhat used to ramps, maybe sin might be a good starting place for you!

[dark token]

Sin is easiest to learn, outlaw is best for m+, sub is best for raid but all 3 are competitive for all content

[silk bane]

its a bit slower in terms of APM, but requires some thoughts into what you press, how and when.

[left flax]

Thank you so much Ok sin it is, do you guys know a good detailed video on rotations and such that I could watch?

[drowsy nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793

you can check everything there

its the same person that writes the wowhead guide

[left flax]

Perfect, thank you y’all !

[sage star]

I can't find info on this, the quicksim is telling me to hit shadow dance with KB during every other KB. Does shadow dance not trigger nightstalker or something? (You'd want it up at the end of KB for bigger ticks?) I don't see the logic of it rn.

[balmy condor]

link the sim

should be every minute

[quiet oar]

Do you mean shadow dance kb and than vanish

This sounds sus

[balmy condor]

I've never heard of the sim holding dance for 2 min

[sage star]

na vanish will be on cd because you used it during the deathmark kb sequence

[balmy condor]

but I suppose its possible

might be a bug in the logic

[sage star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nds226wNoTddxD55wJe6pK

[quiet oar]

Oh its multitarget

[balmy condor]

oh no it's some dogshit aoe sim

[quiet oar]

[sage star]

oh is that the problem?

[quiet oar]

Whisp is judging you

[balmy condor]

wait

[quiet oar]

You are donezo

[balmy condor]

it's doing it fine

[sage star]

but it differs for aoe is all?

[balmy condor]

wdym it differs

it goes shiv dance kb

every minute

[quiet oar]

You use sd and than kb

To snapshot night Stalker

[balmy condor]

I was worried that aoe was breaking the dance logic

but this looks fine

[sage star]

ok

[quiet oar]

Night Stalker snapshots

So the 15% is for the whole kb

[sage star]

oh

ok

[balmy condor]

10

[sage star]

I understand now thanks

[spice surge]

10% 🤓

[quiet oar]

Ok 10

They nerfed it

Right

In ptr

[sage star]

glad I asked cuse I've been fucking it up for 6 weeks ffff

[balmy condor]

should've nerfed it back to the database

[quiet oar]

Woahhhhh

[balmy condor]

it can be friends with elaborate planning

[quiet oar]

Whispyr taking shots

At some Talents

[severe oyster]

What talents are you guys running in keys now? I've been trying one with no CT and more ST. I'm not vibing with it though.

[balmy condor]

Im taking shots at snapshotting cause its unintuitive

[quiet oar]

True

Especially for people who werent alive when it was still a Thing

[past forum]

Just make sure you have your buffs up before you take those shots

[balmy condor]

you can basically run hybrid/arterial/cleave, and then either take CT or not take CT. They're all pretty similar, but above like +25/+26 it's all cleave no CT atm because oogabooga single target

[severe oyster]

Yeah the cleave one is what I've been trying out. It doesn't feel good in 22s. Maybe that's a comp issue or I'm just too used to hybrid with CT.

I assume if I run hybrid no ct than I'd put the extra point into venom rush?

[dark token]

Bruh I wouldn't run this dogshit no CT council build on anything except rise/fall tyran 26+

[true rapids]

I'm running ashes over branch for Tswift, do I just send it with DM or pop it near the 2nd half of KB for more agi?

[dark token]

Idk why people run it in 22s

[balmy condor]

venom rush, flying daggers, improved poisons, twist the knife all kinda viable options

[balmy condor]

macro it into kingsbane

[dark token]

What's the diff now between macroing it or not macroing it

[lean portal]

ure running CT in 22+ keys ?

[dark token]

Yes?

Especially fortified weeks?

It's like over 10% of your dam

I do 90% of my keys as hybrid build

And on some dungeons on tyran weeks I run a CT build with no sudden demise or scent, for more single target

It's basically cleave build with CT

I never drop it

It's too good

[lean portal]

okok

can you send the CT build ure talking about ? with no demise

[dark token]

You switch amp poison for CT

From the cleave build

[lean portal]

wow okey

and you never play arterial ?

isnt your single target miserable ?

im trying to find reasons to play ct

i love it but i find it so useless

[dark token]

The cleave build takes arterial precision

Are you using it properly?

It's your highest priority finisher on 4+ targets

Like ur opener should be garrote garrote (garrote) ct

[lean portal]

what rio are you ? geniune question dont get offended pls

and yeah maybe i use it wrong

[dark token]

I haven't started my push yet, home for holidays

Only 3200

[outer cairn]

i did play the cleave build on a higher key. was pleasantly suprised by its performance albeit lack of ct

but does make since to still pick it up for fort week

sense

jesus

[lean portal]

so you play arterial and demise ?

or arterial amp

or amp demise

i dont get it

[dark token]

Neither

I play hybrid build in most keys

And in tyrannical rise/fall I play cleave ct

[outer cairn]

It might be in the pins, but Whispyr had a chart that showed just how close all the builds were. As long as you're playing correctly, all of them are pretty even

[lean portal]

you cant rly sim m+

is the issue

[lean portal]

hybrid is amp and sudden demise right ?

ill try it

[outer cairn]

i typically just play AP with Venom Rush and Blindside for the better ST. Never fails to get the job done

[lean portal]

i was trying bleed

like arterial demise

this week

having fun but huh

st feels so miserable i ran back to no ct "council" build

[outer cairn]

Venom Rush and Blindside should fix any ST issue you may have

I know in a fort week you can switch VR for Flying Daggers and Blindside for TTB, at least that's what the copy/paste used to be

but even i didn't like it so i just stick to VR and BS

[dark token]

Still got some top dam sin logs even tho I haven't pushed higher keys in a month :D

[lean portal]

nah i wasnt doubting dw

but if you told me you were like 3k4-5 playing CT i wouldve been happy

means i can play it eyes closed

but im 3.2 as well

so its more a discussion

[outer cairn]

Looking at this, you'd still have to put a point in Thrown Precision to get to CT

[dark token]

Ye you take off the mode before amp

[outer cairn]

oh Fatal Concotion

[dark token]

And again I only would recommend people run these st focused builds on keys where single target matters, aka where bosses get multiplicatively longer if ur single target is lower, either due to them using shields or spawning adds

Off the top of my head that's only rise/fall (and dht maybe?)

[outer cairn]

hell just running cleave with no CT in some higher 20s i was like sheesh

but that's simply because KB gets to run its duration

[lean portal]

yeah

and even if not

poison bomb and the 4set still deal good aoe

like decent

i was never like "wow i rly need to get back to ct i lack aoe"

so you guys always plays sudden demise

if i understand correctly

[dark token]

In most keys

Yes

[lean portal]

so in most keys you play dragon tempered build and sudden demise

this is what you call hybrid right

[dark token]

Ye

[lean portal]

and when you dont ?

[dark token]

CT cleave build I just mentioned

[gilded gorge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[lean portal]

would you mind sending it

[dark token]

This one

[lean portal]

wow

ok thats what you mean by no amp

[balmy condor]

the vomit build

[lean portal]

i thought you meant no dragon either

[lean portal]

XD

but what second lethal are you applying

[outer cairn]

lethal

err instant

[balmy condor]

instant is the only other option

[outer cairn]

bro this flu has fucked me up

[lean portal]

wow this cant be good

im sorry

[dark token]

Why vomit

[balmy condor]

it's like any other assassination m+ build

it does what it needs to

[outer cairn]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/talent_target_scaling/castingpatchwerk

[balmy condor]

and takes the like

3 decent talents

[outer cairn]

literally just play w/e you like

[dark token]

Ye

All the builds arent that diff really

[balmy condor]

and then just randomly puts points into the rest

and calls it a day

[dark token]

Unless you skip CT (don't do it)

I wanted the highest single target build that took CT and IC

It's this one

[balmy condor]

cause not taking amp when you're playing for single target is just vile behavior

[lean portal]

not the bloodmallet m+ sims

damn

nah ill try hybrid again with ct for sure ty for the idea

but i draw the line at instant poison

[split grail]

What should my haste be at in general. I think I might have sunk too low when I switched my neck. I'm at 15%

[dark token]

Its still significantly more st than hybrid build without saccing all your aoe nodes basically

[balmy condor]

I'm not arguing it works

It's just nauseating as a concept

[dark token]

Like yes the other build is 5% more patchwerk dps

But this one is 5% more overall dungeon dam

[outer cairn]

Ok I mean the guy who literally spends all his time getting us the answers for most of our dumbass questions posted it but yeah don't take my word for it

[balmy condor]

whatever your sims say

[dark token]

People overrate amp poison imo, they see a build that doesn't take it and are weirded out when instant poison does the same instant dmg ur just missing out on some envenom hits

[lean portal]

no offense but i just give 0 credit to m+ sims

[dark token]

And in dungeons envenom is more a vehicle for tier set procs,poison bomb, and maintaining envenom debuff on kingsbane than actually for its own dmg

[lean portal]

ct cant be better than amp

it is slightly better in multi

[balmy condor]

I give it a bit more than 0 but this patch it's not in my good graces either

[lean portal]

but in single its so worse

[dark token]

CT is 10% of my overall dam

Amp poison is not

[balmy condor]

but yeh I frankly just

[dark token]

It's 5% worse in st

[balmy condor]

can't fucking care about m+ anymore

[dark token]

And 4.5% better overall

[balmy condor]

no matter what I sim or don't sim or put in a guide or don't

people are just going to feelcraft their own stuff anyway

it's near pointless to even try

[dark token]

And yes not like the builds matter that much as long as you take caustic kingsbane

[outer cairn]

Hey I support your effort. Just trying to point out that if you get good at playing with what you're comfortable with, you're probably going to do as much if not more than the next guy

or you can F around and find out

[spice surge]

Thats not exlusive to m+ either, feels really nice putting in a lot of effort into the sub ST apl just to have most people ignore it and do silly stuff that they feel is better

And then people loop around and say it clearly cant be better because nobody on lorrgs is doing it

[balmy condor]

classic

[outer cairn]

I'm gonna need to talk to you once we get to smold and i'm gonna have to play sub on prog

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean damage is actually the least important part of m+

no one's losing keys to the timer

[spice surge]

Its kinda mad how lenient the timers are this season

[balmy condor]

they're losing keys to mechanical wipes or people just getting thrashed by a frostbolt that's 750 million % stronger than normal

playing arterial or hybrid isn't going to fix that

[outer cairn]

honestly with the fact that i can fill vault at 18s and i get nothing but longer keys running higher, i really lost the motivation to push higher keys. i mean in SL it was about getting 3k for conduits but they even said, nope here you go

[balmy condor]

m+ has moved more and more away from "do dungeon fast" and more and more into "survive this unstoppable cast bitch"

[royal lantern]

push the last boss in BRH into p2 before Your deffensives run out, cus his random targeted shadowbolts he does every 4seconds do 130% of your max hp

[spice surge]

Not a fan tbh

[balmy condor]

if anything, the only reason damage matters in m+ anymore is cause you have to kill the mob before it kills you

[balmy condor]

yeh me neither

[spice surge]

I liked academy in s1

The timer was so tight you basically had to do huge dangerous pulls or you wouldnt make it, even if you had a 0 death clean run

[balmy condor]

that's what m+ kinda should be

[outer cairn]

like medievh

[balmy condor]

the cannons on tol dagor were silly

but I think if you just look at tol dagor as a whole

it was a good dungeon

the timer was tight enough to where you were forced to double and triple pull to make up the time

[spice surge]

If the timers dont matter you'll never not play aug for high keys

But if the keys had tighter timers you'd definitely see people dropping augs

[balmy condor]

but the mobs themselves weren't crazy

all the important stuff could be stopped

any otherwise it was just random tickle damage or "don't stand in the thing"

it had an interesting choice with opening the gates

the bosses had fairly unique mechanics

just a good dungeon

it just feels more and more like they're trying to make things one shot by force, which is just whatever

[spice surge]

Which is explicitly what they wanted to move away from back in legion/early bfa

[balmy condor]

no one wants to go into an m+, have a mob they can't CC because blizzard decided that it's immune, and then die to a 2 second cast that you can't do anything about and one taps priests on a fort week

like if you triple pull packs and you rotate aoe cc's and run out and get overwhelmed, okay fine

but at least let that be a choice

cause right now it's "well if I pull these two packs together that's 2 of X mob, and you can't kick their cast, so we can't double pull"

which is just

[royal lantern]

people want m+ to be "serious endgame content", so they moved mechanics into adds/bosses

->most peoole struggled and complained cus their shity pugs cant do easy weekly keys now

->they remove mechanics and made the entire difficulty be "timer is w/e, adds barely hurt until +24keys and then 1shot"

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean the problem is fixable

you just smoothen out the scaling so you don't go from chillin in 24's to one shot in 25's

remove a bunch of irrelevant mechanics

make the relevant and impactful mechanics have some counter to it, be that kicking, cc, moving out of something, jumping, not jumping, LoS, whatever

and then make unavoidable damage weaker

and gg

people are still going to omega push regardless

doesn't matter if it's a +30 or a +80

if they're doing a +80 and the unavoidable stuff starts one shotting, oh well

but at least there's a bigger range

and not "I wanna go higher than my weekly +20", step into a 22, all of a sudden random mechanic is doing 80% of your hp

the learning curve and damage intake on m+ is just insane and out of nowhere

it's really weird

[royal lantern]

the entire curve is fucked

like

legit everything in m+ is either trivial or straight up 1shots

[balmy condor]

@keen spruce

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[keen spruce]

[dark token]

Ye this shit is aids and needs a nerf

There was definitely key inflation with the weekly vault to +20 max change

20s now feel like 15s in past seasons

[keen spruce]

you lust P1 of that boss

in high keys

i'm just spamming feint on CD and praying

but you can still live it unmitigated in like a 27 fort

[dark token]

Does feint even work on the shadowbolts

[keen spruce]

with elusivness it do

which you have to run

after like +25

[storm forum]

did a key for the first time in like a week and a half and it feels good to do tons of damage :>

(and ignore affixes)

[keen spruce]

I dont' do damage

i'm just here to look cute and bring good vibes

[storm forum]

you are the cutest

[keen spruce]

but also an Aug'd DH

kills shit too fast

[storm forum]

might need to vibe check in #off-topic

[keen spruce]

so i just play cleave and pretend i'm a fire mage

I had to remute OT

[storm forum]

yeah my pugs do not have that problem lmao

[keen spruce]

they were talkin about some dumb shit and I was getting tempted to jump into the conversation

too much arguing about rl

and not enough unhinged memes

[runic hinge]

That's the best time to jump in

[keen spruce]

i'm here for escapism, parses, and memes

[keen spruce]

and pets

[storm forum]

i have this whole disc muted

[keen spruce]

i have assas and general unmuted

[storm forum]

i just tune in when i have time and im bored

[keen spruce]

and i unmute sub or outlaw

[storm forum]

ot is a bot channel for me

[keen spruce]

if i'm gonna have to play them or somethin

[balmy condor]

rude

[storm forum]

i dont want notifs sorry

also i left my guild discord cause i didnt want notifs about people getting nicks of time

cause im a dumbass and forgot i could mute things

[runic hinge]

lol

[storm forum]

lol

[rancid bane]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[tame tangle]

anyone that doesn’t mute every disc server except for super small ones is crazy

[spice spire]

I’d never mute ravenholdt

I even have recruitment unmuted

And that’s on the capital G

[balmy condor]

okay but who

[spice spire]

I asked

[balmy condor]

oh okay

[spice spire]

🫡

[past forum]

Prestunned the cast, clean

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/floryn-mlbb-mobile-legends-bang-bang-ratio-gif-25173253

[spice spire]

[river cipher]

Mans blurred the names like I cant check his run on raider io rn

[storm forum]

thats psycho

looking up my r io for randoms

[violet sonnet]

if i only have 1 nick of time does it matter if its oh or mh?

both dags are same ilvl obv

[storm forum]

highest ilvl in main hand, if equal shouldnt matter

[violet sonnet]

okie dokie

ty ty

[river cipher]

CT had never been 10% of my dam unless I played without dh or hunter or pally

With those I just cleave the biggest target and thus amp is better

Amp will also do damage whether the tank pulls big or not :/

[dark token]

People not using it properly

They don't use it as highest priority finisher, e.g. opening with garrote garrote CT

I see people not put up CT until halfway through kingsbane or worse, after the whole kingsbane window is over

U realize amp is strictly worse than CT on groups of 4+ right

It's only better on ST

[shell pawn]

If you rupture and garrote the same target from stealth with indiscriminate carnage will it apply to 2 different targets from the first application?

and how important is sanguine blades for AOE vs ST in m+, it seems only really keep it up for ST encounters

[slate crown]

It prioritizes targets without the respective buff, so yes. Obviously they need to also be in range

[shell pawn]

ok cool thank you

[oak tangle]

unsure if good or bad thing that i afk from this discord for like 2 weeks and no pins

[balmy condor]

There’s a fight type called target dummy

[remote oak]

Does anyone know how I can tell which fauna rune my raidbots sim is using

[balmy condor]

fauna rune?

you mean weapon rune?

[remote oak]

Yeah that

[balmy condor]

it defaults to crit

but you can change it in the settings

[remote oak]

Thanks

[gloomy sparrow]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[lethal swallow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[mystic osprey]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif?width=337&height=600

[junior yoke]

hey guys

happy new year

it ONLY got 58 runs to get tthis

a

amaazing stuff

I'll never run that dungeon again, never in my life

[brave gazelle]

58 is rough I got it in my second run 😭 happy new year dude good job on the grind

[junior yoke]

yeah man, it waas LITERALLY 58 runs

and I got it in a +20, good enough I guess omg

after so much fucking time XD

[brave gazelle]

Watch you'll get it in the vault now 😉

[junior yoke]

I will reaally got mad if this happens

hoping for a nick of time in vaault now XD

btw guys you haave probably heard this question a loot, but I nede to ask again i'm sorry

when you say 1-1-7, you mean firstt 2 orbs at the start, and get the third one when there are 7 seconds remaining, am I right?

talking aabout braanch trink

[brave gazelle]

Yes

Tbf if you Cba running about it's fine to quickly get the first 2 then let the 3rd run into you naturally

[junior yoke]

it feels good

okay then

thank you very much 🙂

[static glacier]

Rama gamer

[junior yoke]

ajaahahaah yeah

sorry game is in spanish

[junior yoke]

lol xd

what a day

hahah lol trash XD

[wind moss]

Hi, I don't know if this has been asked or answered before, but is there a weak aura that keeps track of caustic spatter? I keep losing sight of it in big packs when switching targets

[arctic hare]

Ik whispyr’s plater turns the nameplate green when they have spatter on it

[mystic osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[mystic osprey]

@wind moss

^

Whispyrs has it

otherwise you can just look up caustic spatter tracker on wago

will come up

[wind moss]

oh that's huge, thanks a lot!

[supple drift]

Bonjour il a des français ici ? Dite moi je suis avec mon rogue 2k6 raider.io 477 ilvl spé assasina j’arrive pas à passer plus des 110k dps overall… j’aimerais bien qu’on me conseille svp. Je me suis renseigné sur pas mal de guide mais je dois faire quelque chose de mal dans mon cycle dps .. merci 🙂

[subtle tundra]

🥺

no polska...

[mystic osprey]

English? can help you more

I briefly understand

[supple drift]

I will do my best to translate my question for you 🙂

[pure moth]

If you share a log people would be able to help you best

[mystic osprey]

^

Log

[supple drift]

"Hello, Tell me, I'm with my rogue 2k6 raider.io 477 ilvl, assassination spec, and I can't exceed 110k DPS overall... I would appreciate some advice, please. I've looked into quite a few guides, but I must be doing something wrong in my DPS rotation... Thank you 🙂"

[pure moth]

Share a raid log so people can look at rotation and cd usage and we can help you better. Without seeing a log its hard to know whats going wrong for you.

[supple drift]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/ysondre/Pølak

[lean quiver]

now post a raid log

[supple drift]

Thanks for the info. I'm trying to send that to you. 🙂

[pure moth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ysondre/pølak

Theres the logs for them

[mystic osprey]

Looks like youre doing your opener incorrectly

[pure moth]

You're overcapping combo points as well. Remember to finish at 4. (This was a volcoross log)

You can't do anything about seal fate- but the rest you can control

[mystic osprey]

First of all, your talents should've been caustic spatter over internal bleeding in Gnarlroot for one. Secondly, you didnt use shadow dance, thistle tea, or vanish (from what im looking at in gnarlroot). You're just not up on your opener, and you dont 100 percent know the rotation from what im looking at. Seems like you just need some more practice at the rotation :)

Trash google translate: Tout d’abord, vos talents auraient dû être des éclaboussures caustiques sur une hémorragie interne à Gnarlroot, par exemple. Deuxièmement, vous n'avez pas utilisé la danse des ombres, le thé au chardon ou la disparition (d'après ce que je regarde dans gnarlroot). Vous n’êtes tout simplement pas au courant de votre premier match et vous ne connaissez pas à 100 % la rotation d’après ce que je regarde. On dirait que vous avez juste besoin d'un peu plus de pratique lors de la rotation :)

[agile abyss]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[supple drift]

Thanks for all the explanations.
Would it be possible, if you're available, for me to stream my gameplay to you so you can see it with your own eyes? 🙂

[pure moth]

You can always record it and share it. Im on mobile till tomorrow so i cant watch currently

[mystic osprey]

im going to bed, its 3am,

but

later, another day or two sure

I dont mind as long as im not doing anything

[supple drift]

Thanks, guys, and happy holidays! 😉

[hasty swan]

how big of a dps increase is our 4p??

[lean portal]

7% id say

+-

[hasty swan]

thanks

[oak tangle]

first 2 hours has it checking out

[vestal wren]

well happy 2024, still quite a bit before its new year here

[pure moth]

Still got 12.5 hrs to go

[junior yoke]

Same as u

[proper forum]

happy new years gamers
it's been 2024 for a while now, greetings from the future x

[sweet dawn]

Is the McRib back?

[toxic timber]

Quick question about the ethics of shiv on raging, do you hold a charge for stops or you just use shiv in your rotation and just yolo hope it lines up with trash abilities ?

[sand burrow]

I'd use it if it's needed for wipe prevention personally. The time bolt volley in galakronds fall comes to mind, but that's just me hating the DPS I do while dead.

[toxic timber]

For me it was knife dance in brh but I was like "eh i can just press a defensive"

Assuming I just hold a charge, I only line it with the end of kingsbane I'm guessing ?

[past forum]

Sounds like a “Cloak and let the party figure it out” angle to me

[exotic hearth]

What build should I should for M Council? Just swap to caustic or full m+ build?

[sweet dawn]

Take caustic and take the point out of Dashing Scoundrel and put it into IC

[sand burrow]

I was using that on fyrakk last night with gusto 😄

[exotic hearth]

Thanks ❤️

[dense glen]

For M+ multi target finishers, if crimson tempest is up on all targets already as well as rupture, you should envenom to spend CP, correct? No value in issuing crimson if it’s already up, or am I wrong?

[clever sapphire]

correct

[dense glen]

Thanks!

[lean portal]

envenom over reapplying rupture even

in most cases

[sweet dawn]

You just apply rupture to generate energy really

ofc it does damage but not tons

[neat rain]

Hey Waycross manor mythic+ all you can do to prevent that Etch dmg from the weavers is like shroud and crimson flask right?

Feint won't reduce the dmg

[lean portal]

defensive vanish or cloak yea

orfeint if you have elusiveness

[slim hamlet]

If u ever have issue living just spec elusiveness

it's op

[neat rain]

Yeah that might do the trick

[past forum]

But then I’ll find out the hard way that I’m a greedy mf who leans on cheat all day every day

[strange python]

what change bring these addon?

[violet sonnet]

Do i have to switch targets to apply my empowered garrote/ruptures

i know this is a stupid question but i am a stupid person

or if its like a group of 5 can i just spam empowered garrote and itll hit the ppl that dont have one

i just tested it and im really stupid

i kept tabbing to try to apply to the other ones that didnt get hit by initial garrote/rupture and i dont have to.

[slim hamlet]

I thought so to but simply pressing feint = unkillalbe

[violet sonnet]

my thing with feint is idk when im supposed to use it

most of the time i use it too early

[slate crown]

These are weakaura packs, they give you information about your spells and abilities in a single location on screen

(Or, plater packs, adjusting the Plater addon)

[sullen quest]

am I losing it?

[dark token]

Does one have enchant or socket

[sullen quest]

it's simming both with enchant

I pressed "run sim again" so it's literally the same string

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4s3YGJuh39ZpaVJevZbGEc
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jmo2UN8iMndyXy3hGES6mQ

[fleet pagoda]

[woeful meteor]

end result in raw dps is same as well idk how your baseline is 3k lower in one

[sullen quest]

Yeah

It's funky right

I can't tell what's wrong

[balmy condor]

and that's not even the weirdest thing about the sim

for the record I have no clue either, I reran them and the were the same again

but just

why are we only simming 1 rune

and how does bro not have sockets in his neck

[dark crag]

The year is 2024, the machines have taken over and your sims are no more

[long leaf]

do you guys get huge fps drop when FoK in a big pull?
i have 5950x @4.9ghz and rtx3080, settings are pretty low and still lag pretty hard
how can i find the root cause to this issue?

[dark token]

Probably weakauras or plater (or elvui)

I never lag in m+

And I had a worse CPU than you

Some bosses like M tindral I can lag but not keys

[past forum]

anyone ever press crimson vial just for fun cause they like the gulp sound

[lean portal]

on CD when im not in fight

and when im in fight well its not in my rotation so no

[dark token]

Anyone got a smart PI whisper WA

I want it to auto whispers priests in my party for PI when I press deathmark, or let me choose a priest name optionally for raids

Kinda like auto tricks misdirect but for PI

[sweet dawn]

The best you can do is just macro a /w name of priest "PI ME"

Can also do it as a WA that shows when you DM that also whispers

For making it smart, like if you have a random priest it will auto choose them idk

[dark token]

This is what I do now

It's annoying af swapping it every key

Or when our priests change in raid

I want it to auto target priest in my group

[river cipher]

Those groups with 4+ mobs often have half the pack dying before you can even consider applying it a second time. DHT is a great dungeon for CT. Something like rise is not, cause outside of the opening section, youre fighting packs with at most 3 mobs that would live for its duration. I dont use it in Everbloom either for the reasons previously listed. Better off letting people that already always talent into aoe handle those kinds of mobs while you blast prio.

[sweet dawn]

I just whipped this up quick, might not work, might do, who knows

https://wago.io/wRWvGEE6U

[sweet dawn]

Tested it, it works but it might /w a priest that doesn't have PI up

[tranquil locust]

is there a way to see damage meters in game without the external buffs from aug / PI? i'm finding it hard to know how im performing

[keen spruce]

blizzard has intentionally obscured all of that information

and there's currently no real accurate way to know

in game or out of game

it's very cringe

[tranquil locust]

oh.. so parses arent really a fair way to assess performance since externals throw things off is that fair to say?

[keen spruce]

they're the most accurate thing we have

but if you look at like overall raid performance

and aug is getting completely gapped by the field

but was considered the highest dps you could bring by the top guilds

there's just a lot broken with the hooks

but like, there's nothing else to go off

so

[tranquil locust]

so when reading my a raid log for a fight, is there an easy way to know how many externals each person got or do i need to look at each person 1 by 1

[spiral obsidian]

hey folks! how do you generate energy in m+ single target, bosses? I have 0 issue with energy during trash fights and aoe, but on bosses i run out all the time. using both hybrid build and, this week, arterial shock mostly

[balmy condor]

if you're looking at PI, you can do something like this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xA6Jba1QwVNmpMgt#fight=16&type=auras&ability=10060 where you just look for the buff regardless of person

aug is mostly a non-issue

for assassination for example, it all re-attributes back to the aug as intended

[tranquil locust]

ahh gotcha

[balmy condor]

https://gist.github.com/ljosberinn/a2f08a53cfe8632a18350eea44e9da3e#reattribution-problems

[tranquil locust]

the damage done summary would typically include external buffs like PI though i assume?

[balmy condor]

can see the remaining list here

[balmy condor]

PI and windfury are the two big ones that don't get reattributed

the rest should all be okay

[tranquil locust]

ah i understand, very helpful

[balmy condor]

running out of energy is normal, especially with m+ builds that typically cut out some single target

[stone gust]

how many sparks should we be at?

[spiral obsidian]

ack, thank you :)

[runic hinge]

4.5 I think

[balmy condor]

depends how many you took from vault I guess

4.5 sounds reasonable

[stone gust]

so next week i get another

yea i messed up and put toxic patch on bracers and i really want brez bracers lol

[wide ferry]

@stone gust i think they work like 60% of the time? I saw a reddit post of like 100 ppll bitchin about them failing all the time even with the specialization

[steel geyser]

You can put brez on head iirc

[runic hinge]

only if you're engi

[steel geyser]

As you should

[tranquil locust]

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
Video
TLDR:```- Outside of Cooldowns, you want to wait until your envenom is in pandemic/around 1 second in order to proc tier. This is the core concept of "chaining", where you clip envenoms back to back

• If it's getting uncomfortable to chain, or you have to let envenom drop, pool back up to around 80% energy, and then start another chain
• Always wait to envenom, never wait to mutilate/ambush. You want to generate your combo points as soon as possible, and then evaluate whether you should pool or use a finisher
• Without 4 piece, chaining envenoms has no benefit and you can try to be above 50% energy for sanguine
• With 4 piece, the chain takes priority over sanguine and you would play around the tier, not sanguine```The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and tier procs which is a more efficient energy use

[arctic hare]

What is the sim difference from 1/1/7 and just picking em all up at once?

[earnest remnant]

you can sim that yourself

[kind talon]

January 1st 2007?

[earnest remnant]

dragonflight.witherbarks_branch_timing=1/1/7
just plug that into custom apl

[arctic hare]

alright

[arctic hare]

Time to figure out how to do that lmao

[earnest remnant]

all the way at the bottom

[arctic hare]

oh, sweet

[spice spire]

Does it work there? Last I tried (not even a week in) it has to go into expert mode

[arctic hare]

well, i'm testin it out now lmao

[spice spire]

[earnest remnant]

well good thing then

you can just click the expert mode right under it then

[spice spire]

Goes in raid actor bit

[lean portal]

i'm really curious to see the result

if you can send it :p

[arctic hare]

Sure

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h7yCSbJ3HNtCo8XKmWdDhw

that was 1/1/7

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5EeRvtYpzt26TGPbopLbuK
This one was 1/1/1

[runic hinge]

For me it’s more like 0/0/2

[haughty lily]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Profile (lots of one-off weakauras)
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool

[hard plaza]

Happy New year to me

finally dropped 😄

[ashen rover]

gz

[pine dew]

What do i jeed to change to use whispyrs wa only for assa=

[balmy condor]

go into the load settings and just firce the entire pack to only load on assa

[pine dew]

this is what happens when i use it only for assa

okay i found the bug pistol shot was set for assa

[balmy condor]

Hm

Shouldn’t have really mattered I would think

[pine dew]

but only happens when i set to load for assa only

[balmy condor]

Pistol shot isn’t learnable as assa regardless

So the load condition shouldn’t do anything

But idk

If you see any abilities from other specs just delete them

[ripe zinc]

Hey! Just trying to min max my char since im doing high keys and wanted to know about your opinion on EB trinket vs Embersoul

[winged sun]

I smell pistol shot talk

[ripe zinc]

I am testing it and feels like embersoul helps me delete big packs and witherbark is more consistent dmg bc of the base agi

have any opinions or experience in high keys?

[winged sun]

Kush plays ember for keys on sub

Idk if its much different from assa

[ripe zinc]

yeah i've seen ember for high keys, but also wither

[winged sun]

Kush plays both

Hes playing assa atm actually

But hes playing ember cuz his trinket is 489 and idk if that matters

Since he doesnt have 489 wither

[ripe zinc]

yeah that feels like a reason

but for same ilvl is there a reason to play 1 or the other? That's my question

[winged sun]

Sim it idk

Sims shouldn’t be too wrong

[ripe zinc]

Already did and 2% diff

[winged sun]

They are 99.9% of the time accurate

[ripe zinc]

But apart from sims that are the ideal scenario, i'd like to have insight

[winged sun]

What won for u?

[ripe zinc]

Branch

[winged sun]

2% is huge idk

[ripe zinc]

Yeah it is

[winged sun]

For a trinket so

Play it

[radiant cove]

if im crafting weapons and wanna play all specs can i craft one dagger and one sword? or do i need two daggers for subtlety and assassination?

[ripe zinc]

you could play sub with sword dagg, but not assa

assa is double dagger

[royal lantern]

pls

dont say that

you cant play sub with 1h weapons lol

dont start with that "akshualy its possible its just a gigantic negative!"

[ripe zinc]

Yeah i just meant that it is possible that's why I said "you could". Sorry if it's misleading hahaha 😅

It's not viable fs

[pseudo hamlet]

You can also play Assa with 2x 1h weapons if we aren't considering big negative DPS

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ripe zinc]

I mean, I remember situations where sub has used dagger in mainhand and sword offhand (pvp, not pve) since you can use ur set. Definitely not possible with assa since you can't mutilate. But again, it's not viable as I said, i'm not trying to mislead anyone.

[pearl frigate]

Does anyone knows rouge rotation guide ?

[spice surge]

Yes, but with the rework its even worse than before (and it was noticeably worse than daggers before that too)

Using a non-dagger in your offhand as sub is really really bad

[tame tangle]

u can play rogue with no rings and trinkets equipped too!

[dark token]

God comp again

[hearty reef]

Havoc 0 utility, a little 3% nerf and goes from hero to zero

[dark token]

It was more mage buffs that killed us

[hearty reef]

Plus our only spec that can play dh and aug is getting hammered

[pliant falcon]

Any tips for Assa rogue in season 1 of DF? I'm playing on a private server not retail

[tall basalt]

reroll

[tall basalt]

this is actually super interesting, what site is this?

[dark token]

https://twitter.com/RaptorAnka/status/1741245293453058443

https://mythicstats.com/meta

https://mythicstats.com/dps is also interesting

Warcraft logs m+ stats are trash this site is much better

[tall basalt]

thanks!

[vestal wren]

its just like

aug broke diversity

[slim hamlet]

Wait that chart isnt even right

Boomkin has had plente of play in 30+ too

[junior yoke]

happy new year

survival hunter over assa rogue

good to know, rerolling

[slim hamlet]

nono surely no more nerfs now losing PI made us go down 10 ranks on logs

[jaunty warren]

I had a request for rogue cc in key yesterday…tank says “sap x pls “ and I almost had a heart attack.

Is utility coming back in 2024 🤣

[misty holly]

They should just remove most aoe abilities from the game. Stuff like consecration and blizzard is okay, everything else gone.

Then sap meta will return.

[jaunty warren]

It was actually a cool move…let us skip a whole pack

[misty holly]

I guess warrior can have a 2m cooldown whirlwind or something, whatever.

Just no spammable aoe

If you want to fight multiple targets then do a single target rotation on one mob for a bit, then tab and do it again.

that's your aoe

[jaunty warren]

I don’t see that ever happening but blizzard could make CC relevant again by randomly empowering one member of trash packs . This would force us to pick out the dangerous mob and cc it then we could aoe trash as normal

[misty holly]

Yeah that was an affix in shadowlands.

They remove it for some reason.

demon hunters get mad everytime the optimal strategy isnt aoe everything all the time.

so blizzard has to change the game.

[jaunty warren]

Don’t DH have imprison…one of the best CC in the game ?

[lean portal]

this was the less fun affix ever made im glad its deleted

[jaunty warren]

I disagree but meh…everyone hates some affix and bringing that back would make so many talents for so many classes useful again

[lean portal]

now you use cc for incorporeal (not sap ok)

but this affix was something else

oh tank didnt pull rest of the pack far enough sap is broken we all die with no counterplay

gl next key guys

[misty holly]

It was a good affix also because it gave single target prio if you didnt want to sap and separate.

Shadowlands had a lot of situations where single target was massive helpful

I felt useful as sin rogue in those dungeons even though our aoe was DOGSHIT then

[lean portal]

in high keys you could rarely not separate

[misty holly]

like so so so much worse than now

[jaunty warren]

The idea of removing mechanics because some people can’t play makes me gag but w/e

[misty holly]

single target was useful so I could at least help with those mechanics

[lean portal]

not rly that ppl "cant play", everyone was still doing keys and it wasnt that hard

it was just super annoying and bring 0 fun

[jaunty warren]

Pull mobs away from CC is ( or was ) a fundamental tank skill imo

[misty holly]

prideful, tormented, inspiring all made hitting vendetta and being a single target hero useful

[lean portal]

yeah but then mage orb or hunt pet randomly wakes up mob and yeah its his fault ofc its skill issue

but going next dj instantly off this is rly unfun

[jaunty warren]

Using the currently dormant 1/4 skills of my class is fun to me

[lean portal]

its just sap its not that bad

you can still sap

on AD

there must be other sap spots this season idk

[strange python]

Anyone know what I should be pressing during the vanish window in the last 3 seconds of kingsbane? Should I empowered Garrote and get one last envenom in?

[jaunty warren]

Sap sheep hex hibernation all basically the same thing …but if there is no incentive to use those skill no one will

[lean portal]

sheep is used against incorporeal

[jaunty warren]

I use blind against incorp too

[lean portal]

yeah

oh ok

didnt see what you meant

[lean portal]

yeah always garrote

[shy pecan]

People vouching for the inspiring affix is… something.

[lean portal]

i am amazed yeah

you're the first person i ever see love this affix

this is good news then it wasnt in the game for no reason

[strange python]

Thanks, what is the optimal button to press after garrote is it envenom or another garrote

[lean portal]

ambush envenom probably ? it doesnt rly matter as long as you refresh one garrote

[jaunty warren]

Incorp is “oh carp…cc that” inspiring was “ look at that mob we can’t AOE x down with everyone else” ..two very different things each with its own pro/con

Now both at the same time could be …rough but the point of keys( to me) is to test class skills beyond AOE dps and avoiding 1 shot mechanics

[dark token]

Afflicted and incorp are really dogshit affixes imo

Afflicted even more than incorp

[jaunty warren]

And since I am dreaming there should be some reward for keys beyond 20🤣. Rare gear..more crests something

[dark token]

Anything that spawns extra mobs is always shit to play, period

Unless u can just DPS em passively in aoe

Like that one legion infernal affix

Especially because only 1/3rd of classes can interact with afflicted and they spawn so often

Just annoying getting -100% haste from nothing u can control

Really bad game design

[jaunty warren]

All the affix’s cause some pain for some role…that’s the point. For me the dogshit one is spiteful…3 mobs spawn and one shot me

[dark token]

They don't cause pain for role they cause pain for everyone and only 1/3rd of people can interact

No other affix is like that

Even historically

[shy pecan]

Incorp is fine since there’s a way for almost every spec to deal with it. Afflicted does suck though because you might not get into groups because you don’t have an answer (and all the pure dps classes aside from the mages don’t)

[jaunty warren]

Fair…some balance could help. Practically everyone can handle incorp …afflicted not so much

[dark token]

They also spawn constantly

In groups of 2

Like every 20-30sec

What is thst

And so many mechanics require a dispel

[misty holly]

What if afflicted only gave -haste to the classes that could interact with it.

[dark token]

When they combo with that ur just fucked

Afflicted in fall are really stupid

That whole 2nd room and 2nd boss

Like 2 1shot debuffs on everyone then 2 afflicted spawn and only 1 dude can dispel

What is that

Dogshit affix design

[jaunty warren]

Agree on that

[dark token]

Incorp is annoying but afflicted is actually dogshit

And I don't even have to deal with it

I imagine healers literally want to kms this week

[jaunty warren]

Can you heal afflicted ? If so how much is needed ?

[dark token]

Yes you can but idk the HP amount

It's more than couple globals I think

[royal lantern]

enough HP that you cant do it passively/just with cleave, need to actually focus heal it for a Couple seconds

you CAN heal it, but many fights simply dont give you the time/mana too do it

[dark token]

Yeah

[jaunty warren]

So as was said …poorly designed affix 🤣

[dark token]

Afflicted on halls of infusion 1st boss last season was actually disgusting, u just get rawdog fucked if spawns overlap with 2-3 1shot debuffs

Idk how this affix was not gutted immediately within 2-3x of it being in rotation

[arctic hare]

Yep.

[grave phoenix]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/1165033412827037806/image.png

[pseudo hamlet]

You can always use FoK instead of Mutilate there 😄

[storm monolith]

is there even a point in doing lfr if i've already got 450+ in everything?

[shy pecan]

If you still don’t have 4pc tier and don’t do keys

Some trinkets that drop are heroic track

[storm monolith]

i don't have 4 piece no, but the 2 i'm missing are at least 463 or higher

[shy pecan]

LFR is upgradable to 463 iirc

[storm monolith]

i always forget about upgrades

[open warren]

what spec are people running this week in brh?

[dark token]

Assassination

[runic hinge]

Same spec as every week

[sweet dawn]

The same spec we play every week, Pinky

[inner shadow]

ya'll boys like using dungeon slice for M+

[quiet oar]

Yes

Because rogue is optimized for it

[inner shadow]

I'm new to rogue so just wondering, thank you brother

[storm forum]

it's not perfect, but it's the best we got

[magic sparrow]

There's strings you can use to sim specific dungeons.

[balmy condor]

wouldn't really recommend that

[quiet oar]

Mdt Sims exist

But dslice will give you better result for gear

[shell pawn]

What key did you guys switch to cleave build? I'm still gearing up my rogue and hunting the 4pc rn so I was usually going CT full aoe build, it feels like running CT without the execute talents really hurts aoe dps for lower keys, especially in the hybrid build. Everything just dies too quick and I do no dmg

[balmy condor]

all builds are viable at all levels

[shell pawn]

I think I just need to play more, I watched each of your kids like 4 times but don't have the muscle memory or experience yet

[steel stump]

I see what you mean tho, assa isn't that fun when mobs die instantly. It gets better above 22s

Depends on your comp as well

With an aug for example it's fun

[shell pawn]

Also side note, to get the time dagger from weekly vault I have to have completed that dungeon atleast once in the week correct?

[balmy condor]

no

vault gives you loot from the dungeon pool regardless of your dungeons completed

[steel stump]

I would be running 8 falls per week only if that was the case 😄

[balmy condor]

could technically spam nothing but darkheart thickets, never complete a dawn dungeon ever and loot back to back myth track nicks from vault

would be bm as fuck

and I would ban you

but ya know

it's possible to do that

[quiet oar]

One of our dhs alt rogue

Has two Nicks

489

And a branch

[shell pawn]

I've ran nothing but DHT on all 3 of my characters lol, the dagger would be appreciated

[quiet oar]

While im consider Ing Socket every week

[balmy condor]

mods ban this man

[shell pawn]

I got lucky with my BM and got hero branch first +18 I did, nothing on rogue yet

[quiet oar]

I told him

He needs to reroll now

[magic sparrow]

It's probably a socket week for me too. Unless my second Myth tract NoT rolls.

[quiet oar]

My first vault in this season

Was a Socket

Best that

[keen spruce]

what will be the first key i time of 2024

I'll tell u what it wont be

[balmy condor]

37 black rook hold

world first

[keen spruce]

28 bloom, 27 bloom, 26 bloom, 27 dht, 26 rise, 26 rise, or 26 rise

I haven't gotten io

is 84 years

[quiet oar]

Have you considered

Timing keys

For rio

[keen spruce]

considered

not implemented

[quiet oar]

[keen spruce]

the 28 bloomer would have been rank 1

[quiet oar]

Try beating all bosses and 100% trash count before the timer Hits Zero

Its thst easy shmeeps

[keen spruce]

but our ranged woopsied a spacial displacement

and blew up our group

before mage boss

[quiet oar]

Poggies

[keen spruce]

I'M TRYING

[quiet oar]

Try harder?!?

Like you Do with me

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

[slate crown]

[random fable]

Hey everyone. Kinda new here, so I apologize if I'm jumping any sort of protocol, but I was wondering if someone could help me address the following. So, in raids, as an assa rogue, when I use my cds I usually top dps charts easily, but once I get into my usual rotation my dps drops quite fast. My trinkets are branch from everbloom and pips. My first question would be, for sanguine bleeds, do you slow down the rotation in order to get your energy above 50%? I feel like the energy is just not enough to keep doing the rotation. And it feels really bad when the other guildie is topping the dps charts being an outlaw rogue with 0 cleave in the encounter.

[balmy condor]

assassination is a burst spec, so the high highs and low lows are completely normal

in terms of the energy thing